"Garage Design Bureau": why in Russia combat drones are still being made on the knee

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"Garage Design Bureau": why in Russia combat drones are still being made on the knee
A typical workplace where they collect drones for the front line. Source: t.me/rogozin_do


Special Operation Lessons


If you look at the surrounding officialdom, then everything is just fine with us with unmanned systems. Lessons on drone aviation plan to include in the school curriculum. Considering that unmanned aircraft as a phenomenon is practically absent in Russia, the initiative looks very timely. If this story burn out, it is difficult to even imagine how much budgetary funds it will draw on itself. How many drones will be purchased for schools, each of which can be useful at the front? But the picture and analytical reports will be what you need.



Who said that there is no unmanned industry in Russia? Why, please.

In March, Mayor Sobyanin opened the production of SH-450 and SH-750 drones in the Rudnevo industrial park. These are remote-controlled helicopters that can carry cargo in adverse weather conditions. When we talk about the transfer of industry to a military footing and remember the slogans “Everything for the front! Everything for victory!”, look at the production in Rudnevo. Now the country cannot do without helicopter UAVs "for cargo transportation and flights in adverse weather conditions." 9 thousand square meters were allocated for production. meters of space, equipped with modern equipment for baking composites, welding and assembly. This is Aeromax, if anything.

It is clear that any drone is a dual-use product. But what is the potential suitability in a special operation of a heavy helicopter UAV, which can be easily shot down by concentrated machine-gun fire? That's right, no suitability. But highly qualified engineering personnel are diverted from the production of a wide range of drones for the front - from reconnaissance to FPV kamikaze.


Such drones have been made recently in the Rudnevo industrial park. All for the front? All for the Victory? Source: aeromax-group.ru

In Russia, if you do not watch TV and telegram, life is quite peaceful. Everyone seems to be trying not to notice what is happening on the western borders.

For example, on April 11, the World Trade Center in Moscow hosted the Geoscan Technologies 2023 conference, where guests, in particular, were told about “the creation of quadrocopters and animation for drone shows”, about “educational copters and projects that help schoolchildren get acquainted with professions future”, as well as “world records and large-scale projects using UAVs”. Interesting, ironic and unusual, especially after February 24, 2022.


Source: t.me/geoscan_official

And there are just a bunch of such conferences all over the country. With the beginning of the SVO, everyone suddenly became preoccupied with the civil paths of unmanned aircraft. The logic of holding such events is similar to organizing a gathering of modellers in Chelyabinsk in 1942.

Is it any wonder after this situation, when the lion's share drones Are volunteers or teams of enthusiastic engineers supplied to the front?

Loads of garages?


Back in October last year, Dmitry Medvedev announced the need to mass-produce drones in Russia. Literally a month later, the country's first (and so far the only) testing ground for drones was opened at the Orlovka airfield in the Tver region. You can still somehow come to terms with this - the testing site will really not be superfluous. But the future plans are simply amazing.

Up to 500 billion rubles are planned to be spent on the industry for the production and use of drones. The money is good, but they plan to spend it not on import substitution of components from Aliexpress, but “on systems of research and production centers for testing and competence in the development of drones.” But that's not all.

In Russia, by 2030, 290 specialized airports and sites should be built, including drone ports for working with drones. It remains only to clarify why the country needs almost three hundred droneports in seven years, if now quadrocopters assembled from 80-90 percent of foreign components are on the front lines? It was not possible to make a digestible "Dobrynya", it was decided to take new, much more ambitious heights.

While corporations and those in power are in the clouds, dreaming of flying robot taxis and unmanned helicopters, drones for the front are literally being made in garages.

Teams from Rostov and other cities were repeatedly mentioned. The exact number, of course, no one will reveal - otherwise they will become a priority target for Ukrainian terrorists. Volunteers in Russia are not protected now, even those who produce critical items for the front.

By the way, the guys are doing quite well - according to open data, they monthly release hundreds of drones for various purposes for a special operation.

They only actually work in garages, most often without earning anything. In the second year of the special operation, practically no initiative from below received real state support. In addition to the obvious “shame on the Motherland”, this approach carries a lot of hidden threats.

Firstly, the product of folk art actually gets to the front. It is far from always possible to maintain the quality of both the assembly and the components used. Not only does China not always release the necessary components to Russia, but also the native customs service adds a headache.

Secondly, there is nowhere to fully test the equipment built in garage conditions. More precisely, there is - in combat conditions. For example, the school for UAV operators of the Volunteer Strike Brigade in Donetsk takes any engineering and technical solutions, including drones and electronic warfare equipment, for combat testing. A sort of litmus test of the state of affairs in the domestic drone industry.














Illustrative examples: at what technical level and in what conditions is the equipment critically important for the NWO manufactured. Source: t.meMilitary_engineer

There is another side to the involvement of volunteers in the process of supplying high-tech equipment to the front.

We are talking about improvised devices for suppressing enemy UAVs, many of which are generally not known where they are assembled and from what components. The professionals involved in the topic claim that up to 95 percent of all devices of this type are initially inoperative or require fine tuning. You can at least check a handicraft copter on the spot, but to evaluate the suppressor, you need time and a test drone. At the same time, products are not sold at dumping prices at all - individual anti-drone backpacks, guns and suitcases are close in price to cars.

It is unnecessary to talk about what deadly risks such crafts add to the fighters at the front.




Many electronic warfare systems have to be literally redone. Pictured is a product from China. Photo and comment t.me/Military_engineer: “About Chinese backpacks, or let's get back to our sheep. After the first failed tests, the simplest antennas were made with an angle of 100 degrees (2.4 5.8 GHz), gps suppression in a circle (1.5 GHz), tuned to the parts of the range we needed and ... another trip to the fields. As a drone - mavic 3, the UAV operator is located at a distance of 4 km from our backpack. Heights 100, 250, 500 meters. The results are as follows: no navigation within a radius of 2 meters; complete loss of drone control signal from a distance of 500 meters in the direction of the antennas. From the sides - 2 meters.


And what about the enemies?


The enemies came to understand the need and effectiveness fleet drones. For "garage design bureaus" the doors of military training grounds are open, where equipment is tested and the military formulate requirements for advanced developments. State money is used to purchase expensive equipment, which allows not to rack their brains over the body of the ammunition dropped from the drone.

It's simple - there are so many 3D printers that the printing of shell fairings and stabilizers has been put on an industrial scale. A similar situation with the assembly of drones.

Of course, such attention from the state can be explained by the chronic shortage of aviation, primarily the army.

But are we really doing so well in this area, since we have actually let the whole industry go by itself?










Factory quality manufactured for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ammunition. Source: t.meUAVDEV

There is no need to look far for examples of how to do it - just look at Russia's ally - Iran. With enviable constancy, the army of the Islamic Republic receives batches of unmanned vehicles. We are not talking about handicraft drones - the military is given completely factory-made shock Ababil-3/4, Arash-2 kamikaze drones, Switchblade analogues, and much more. History is silent about why the Kalashnikov concern has not yet organized such a production.










One of the fresh deliveries of the Iranian army. Source: t.meUAVDEV

No matter how Kulibin guys who take out the hard work of a volunteer in the production of UAVs, they will never reach the level of specialized research institutes and design bureaus. Because they buy equipment, 3D printers, electronics and other consumables at their own expense. And because many of them have a main job that takes both time and energy. And also due to the fact that often they are forced to work not because of, but in spite of.

In a good way, all enthusiasts should be gathered in one place away from the front line, provided with premises, equipment, decent wages and advice from professional engineers. However, the latter can be abandoned. The main thing is to issue a sane technical task. Everyone is shouting that with the beginning of the NWO, "golden brains" are flowing out of Russia. They don’t leak - here they are, building FPV drones and reconnaissance UAVs. And this is the real technical elite of our present and future. It is only necessary to organize the work, give resources and not interfere.
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  1. +21
    April 29 2023 05: 19
    It is only necessary to organize the work, give resources and not interfere.

    It is only necessary to select the resources “grabbed” in the 90s and later, disperse this RSPP to hell and organize the State Defense Committee (State Defense Committee), decide on state interests and measures to combat those who impede their implementation; adopt laws that allowed the USSR to defeat saboteurs and saboteurs during the Second World War and ... not interfere with personal interests with state ones.
    * * *
    In the light of what is happening in the defense industry, I would like to clarify the data of legal entities that manage affairs in the country and the course of the military defense in particular. And then one thing is heard from the screens, Prigozhin announces another, and our respected authors began to specialize in garage cooperatives.
    1. +5
      April 29 2023 08: 58
      It is only necessary to select the resources “grabbed” in the 90s and later, disperse this RSPP to hell and organize the State Defense Committee (State Defense Committee), decide on state interests and measures to combat those who impede their implementation; adopt laws that allowed the USSR to defeat saboteurs and saboteurs during the Second World War and ... not interfere with personal interests with state ones.
      * * *
      In the light of what is happening in the defense industry, I would like to clarify the data of legal entities that manage affairs in the country and the course of the military defense in particular. And then one thing is heard from the screens, Prigozhin announces another, and our respected authors began to specialize in garage cooperatives.

      This is because we have a half economy, half of what was left after the destruction remained in socialism, half went over to capitalism.

      The guys from state corporations are hard at work sawing the budget, and the guys in the garages, in terms of efficiency per ruble invested, easily do business with aviation corporations, just like grandmas in dachas easily do with agricultural holdings. laughing
      1. +8
        April 29 2023 10: 23
        Rather, like this: a mixture of "wild" capitalism and neo-feudal remnants interspersed with the USSR ...
        1. +3
          April 29 2023 11: 15
          Rather, like this: a mixture of "wild" capitalism and neo-feudal remnants interspersed with the USSR ...

          Agree. At the same time, the habits of the 90s remained, as soon as something grows and begins to bring significant profit, the desire to "squeeze" immediately appears. An example is "Magnet".

          I don’t remember where I read it, the Western ones analyzed it - in Russia, starting with 60 million net profits per year, you are under close guardianship. laughing
      2. +3
        April 29 2023 10: 29
        Quote: Arzt
        half went over to capitalism.

        The problem is not only that there are half, a significant number of countries live well with a large percentage of the public sector. And the fact that this half was originally not competitive, but oligarchic. And this was facilitated not only by the second part, which
        Quote: Arzt
        stay in socialism

        and under which "stability" and the subsequent thirst for power were built, which strangled oligarchic capitalism, making it courtiers.
        1. +5
          April 29 2023 11: 18
          half went over to capitalism.

          The problem is not only that there are half, a significant number of countries live well with a large percentage of the public sector. And the fact that this half was originally not competitive, but oligarchic. And this was facilitated not only by the second part, which
          Quote: Arzt
          stay in socialism

          It's like that. But the fact is that they entered the public sector from the other end. These are bankrupt, who themselves merged and the state raised and nurtured at the expense of the budget.

          We have a lot of stupidly copied from Western models, not understanding where it came from.
          An example is the CHI system in medicine.

          In the west, it has grown out of a natural economic moment to make it possible to pay for PAID treatment. That is, in fact, this is ordinary insurance, the same as for real estate, cars, etc.

          In our country, with the original state medicine, this resulted in the formation of a fattening layer between, in fact, state money and medical institutions.

          Question: why? If medicine is free and guaranteed by the Constitution, then take taxes to the budget and finance centrally, like the Army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. Create a clear tariff scale throughout the country, then normal doctors will not break into Moscow, you see - and medicine will appear on the ground. Yes
      3. 0
        April 29 2023 22: 12
        About a month ago (maybe someone will correct it) Solovyov boasted that he was shown a super UAV in a certain Rostec Design Bureau. And the Head boasted to him that there were already thousands of such UAVs in warehouses. So here's the question: Was it all supposed to fall on the shoulders and budget of the volunteers a priori??? They say it’s still very necessary and so they will buy it out, but the Moscow Region pretended that this report was not there? Or, all the same, the Ministry of Defense will somehow start to wake up and promptly buy out what is already in the warehouse. Or all the same, let the people take off????
        In general, this reminds me of pictures from top TV channels begging for money for the treatment of children, urgently, and blah blah blah ... ALTHOUGH !!! Literally a year ago, a certain priest at the helm of a Fund specially created for these purposes boasted to the President that he had billions on hand for such purposes! But of course it's just business. Funds were created, it is necessary to collect money, all the more compassionate people are ready, but the fact that there is money and circulating in banks - well, this is business - nothing personal.
    2. -1
      4 May 2023 21: 16
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It is only necessary

      It remains to find the performers of this "must", who will not be dragged into mutual responsibility halfway.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      determine the state interests and measures to combat those who impede their implementation

      Without the eradication of corruption, protectionism and nepotism, this is a stillborn idea. It's bees vs honey.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      I would like to clarify the data of legal entities managing affairs in the country and the course of the SVO in particular

      Who doesn't want to? laughing
      But they themselves are being specified against, and they command the parade.
      One law on hiding the income of parliamentarians speaks for itself.
    3. 0
      12 July 2023 14: 52
      Well done, of course, and now imagine that what was privatized already has completely different owners who bought it honestly. Are you suggesting that we throw them all away? Then entrepreneurship will not be seen in the Russian Federation for another 100 years. So then there is little trust in the state
  2. Eug
    +18
    April 29 2023 05: 22
    I watched a lot of factory quotes, there was such a line as "overhead costs", which ranged from 800 to 2000 percent ... where an official and state financing appear, kickbacks occur in the overwhelming majority of cases. What exactly the war did for Ukraine was that it broke corruption in some way (although it strengthened it much more) and developed private initiative. And one should not consider Ukraine as a backward society - engineering brains are very much present, and often with the implementation of ideas.
    1. +5
      April 29 2023 07: 48
      On the other hand, our hucksters until they cut the loot, they don’t start moving, they are looking for benefits in everything, even during the NWO, it would seem that the NWO and profit are absolutely incompatible concepts, but here they are trying to cash in on this, the market economy should not spread at defense industry enterprises, otherwise it will simply destroy them.
      1. 0
        5 May 2023 12: 37
        And how will it not spread when almost all military-industrial complex enterprises have made joint-stock companies? By the way, I have not heard that the plans for the further transfer of the remaining FSUEs to JSCs have been cancelled. And they, in addition to the director with a handsome salary, also have a board of directors, recruited from who knows who, but disinterestedly loving money. And some other top managers, heads of departments, etc., etc.
  3. +9
    April 29 2023 05: 29
    Here "Sberbank" opened in the Crimea, yes, an event! And this is with a fly in the ointment, the locals themselves look there, what's what, but there are no Russian flags in the photo, but everything else is in yellow black colors. And about drones and anti-drone weapons, but to whom they what is needed is that the generals serve their military qualification after an agreement with the bank in complete safety (last summer there was a message that the hunt for our generals had stopped). ) was tested by a group under his funding and leadership .. So how much dirt poured out on him in the comments on this incomprehensible tolerant resource
  4. +2
    April 29 2023 05: 51
    In Russia, officials are strangling everything at the suggestion of the State Duma.
  5. +13
    April 29 2023 05: 52
    In a good way, all enthusiasts should be gathered in one place away from the front line, provided with premises, equipment, decent wages and advice from professional engineers.

    Those. creation of a full-fledged research institute. Actually, there are no more options, and there will not be. In general, this is a clear failure of the Ministry of Defense, it will not take off by itself, "the market will not decide" - UAVs in civilian circulation are not needed by anyone yet. We need a go-ahead to create a research and production association. By the way, ZIL is being finished off, why don’t you have an industrial site? In Moscow, and there is no need to bring specialists anywhere. Although I will only name a bunch of more or less suitable industrial sites in Moscow, often occupied by warehouses, that is, you can relocate if you wish - you can
    1. +6
      April 29 2023 09: 31
      Quote from Bingo
      Those. creation of a full-fledged research institute.

      And another cut of the budget? Or maybe just buy UAVs from private traders on a competitive basis? Damn, no, there, too, MORF will not be able to do without kickbacks. What to do, how to be? Probably in canned foodtorii needs somethingall) change?
      1. +2
        April 29 2023 10: 55
        Quote: Ohsetin
        Or maybe just buy UAVs from private traders on a competitive basis?

        Is there an offer? Are there many private owners with a ready-made production base and design bureau to adapt to the specific requirements of the Ministry of Defense? There are exactly zero of them - it is very expensive, and unprofitable because:
        Quote from Bingo
        "the market won't decide" - nobody needs UAVs in civilian circulation yet.
        1. +2
          April 29 2023 16: 32
          Quote from Bingo
          Is there an offer?

          It is not there because there was no demand. As, for example, on guided bombs, on digital communications.
          Quote from Bingo
          Are there many private owners with a ready-made production base and design bureau to adapt to the specific requirements of the Ministry of Defense?

          Did they have these requirements? And the production base, yes, by magic, does not appear. But, even a year later, it is far from it, MORF so far only reflects on the topic of UAVs and KAB, but does not formulate anything. For in this case, one will have to abandon the mantra "The army has everything" and other bodies will have questions "Where is the money, Zin?"
      2. +4
        April 29 2023 14: 18
        Quote: Ohsetin
        Or maybe just buy UAVs from private traders on a competitive basis?
        The military unit cannot buy simple computers for itself. MO will buy? It can, but there are such rules that private traders will spit and will not get involved. And you can’t ignore these rules, they’ll put you in jail - the prosecutor’s office shakes the enterprise and the PZ every six months.
        1. +1
          April 29 2023 16: 54
          Quote: bk0010
          but there are such rules that private traders will spit and will not get involved.

          I know. The question "Why not buy from private traders?" means exactly: Why not make the rules of public-private partnership in the army (and not only) adequate?
      3. +1
        5 May 2023 12: 45
        And all private traders are unscrupulous? Even those that exist, as soon as the conditions are created, our native oligarchs will immediately crush them. And it will be like in the First World War, when a shell from a private factory cost 5 times more than from a state-owned one.
    2. +3
      April 29 2023 17: 32
      Quote from Bingo
      By the way, ZIL is finishing off

      ZIL is long gone. The St. Petersburg LSR built up the entire former Zilovsky territory with human settlements.
      What is more profitable for officials - to build human settlements or to produce UAVs? Judging by their deeds or their doing nothing, the answer is obvious. Business is nothing personal.
      1. -3
        April 30 2023 13: 11
        The fact that there are human workers is the right decision. The wrong thing is that they are demolishing the Khrushchev, people are given almost equivalent housing, the plant was robbed and forgotten, there were no trucks in the segment of 5-7 tons of carrying capacity in the country
    3. +1
      April 29 2023 17: 34
      Quote from Bingo
      Those. creation of a full-fledged research institute. Actually, there are no more options, and there will not be.

      For the first time, research institutes were created in Nazi Germany by transferring engineers from private organizations there. After the war, this system made a great impression on Soviet specialists and was a model for the creation of branch research institutes in the USSR. American experts more thoughtfully assessed the innovation of Hitler and Speer. According to their estimates, the research institutes, having concentrated most of the engineering resources, were able to put into production a smaller part of the weapons. Apparently, this is precisely the problem of organizing effective serial production in the USSR and post-Soviet Russia. In the USSR, the threat of being shot or expelled from the party often forced the leadership to turn on horizontal ties. For example, in the production of anti-aircraft missiles at the DMZ, military representatives staged branded sabotage. No one wanted to sign the acceptance document for fear of accepting a defective rocket without knowing the physics of helium and not being able to work with helium leak detectors and adjust them. The director began to listen to the opinions of all specialists, even the lowest level. Luckily for him, a carpenter from the Institute of Physical Problems came to the DMZ because of the low salary at his former place. He assured that he knew the method of checking the tightness of welds with gel leak detectors. As a result, when the plant prepared a batch of missiles for delivery, but the military representatives did not accept it, the director demanded that the entire batch of missiles be shot at the firing range and, based on the firing, draw a conclusion about the quality of work and the competence of the military representatives. The colonels had to take a course of educational program from a former 30-year-old carpenter. All issues arising from the technology of blowing welding seams were resolved directly with the leadership of the Research Institute of Physical Problems, that is, with S. Kapitsa. However, when Kapitsa asked the DMZ to do the same informally large details for his institute, the management simply ignored the request of such a small worker and even refused to listen to him. Apparently, it was even more problematic for Kapitsa to knock out the necessary equipment through the allied authorities than through a carpenter, to whom he had previously paid a miserable salary and forced him to quit. In principle, the problem with drones is exactly the same as with anti-aircraft missiles on the eve of the Vietnam War. The problem is very deep and cannot be corrected either by the return of socialism or by replacing Putin with a revived Stalin or Khrushchev.
      1. 0
        April 30 2023 13: 16
        In the USSR, from sharashkas, the output of new products into production and accepted by military acceptance is up to 30-50% of the prototypes, in the USA less than 5% of the samples submitted (paid by the state under the military program) ..
        1. -1
          8 May 2023 18: 16
          I would not beat the fanfare on this matter: firstly, due to the peculiarities of their economy and mentality, initially the competition was higher than ours, that is, the number of projects could be many times greater than in the USSR. Secondly, our military-industrial complex sinned by launching into production a huge number of types of military equipment and weapons of the same purpose and similar characteristics, instead of choosing the best option at the stage of evaluating prototypes, and then bringing it to mind. In our country, they tried not to offend as many design bureaus and research institutes as possible, this was especially evident in the zoo of armored vehicles and warships.
          1. -1
            8 May 2023 18: 21
            Quote: UAZ 452
            I wouldn't beat the fanfare on this

            And rightly so. Fanfares are usually trumpeted, and beaten - in timpani ... and sometimes in the face.

            So, by the way I had to. Yes
            1. -1
              8 May 2023 19: 07
              Thanks, I'm sorry. Minus is not mine.
  6. +17
    April 29 2023 06: 05
    Until the production of UAVs is organized in Kolyma with the participation of all those currently responsible for their production on the assembly line, there will be no sense.
    1. +9
      April 29 2023 06: 27
      This requires will. And she is missing. Otherwise, everything acquired and built up by overwork will collapse. And even worse, it is that you will have to work, and not read bravura reports of achievements.
      1. +6
        April 29 2023 09: 34
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        And worse, it's something that will have to work

        This generation of officials will no longer be able to, they have passed a negative selection on this indicator, the most inefficient ones are gathered there. I’m not sure that they and the forest will be able to cut down or sew panties in the colony, but you are talking about UAVs ...
    2. -4
      April 29 2023 17: 44
      Quote: avia12005
      Until the production of UAVs is organized in Kolyma

      In serf Russia in the Ural factories, when clerical workers were expelled for negligence, they often preferred to starve to death than after the office to earn a living by physical labor. In China, an official cannot hold office for 2 consecutive terms. He must either go up or down after the first term. You just have to pay money not for the position, but for solving problems. Prigozhin pointed out that the slob guilty of not supplying shells, this person should be replaced. And Gerasimov should be able to keep in mind several people for each key position for such cases, if Putin really trusts him to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  7. +4
    April 29 2023 06: 07
    The fact that in the Russian Federation the case with drones is "no ice" was recognized even by the GDP. But this article is too biased. If only because among the "garages" the author did not mention the brand new specialized plant of the Kronstadt company in Dubna, "only for 1500 jobs", the Izhevsk company "ZALA AERO GROUP Unmanned Systems" and some others.
    One must be objective drinks
    1. AAK
      +9
      April 29 2023 06: 18
      Yes, indeed, despite all the mantras from above, the situation with the UAV below does not change radically ... and today, early in the morning, a Ukrainian UAV attacked an oil depot in the city of Sevastopol along the Mongonari Brothers Street in the Cossack Bay area, a fire of 1000 sq.m ., 4th hazard class ... something like this ... and on top only - "... deepen, broaden, prevent the unacceptable ..." and somehow that's it ...
  8. +11
    April 29 2023 06: 24
    You can’t drink much in a garage production. This is the homespun truth of our sewer vertical. All for enrichment. And the plebeians are not sorry. Migrants will be brought in.
    1. +4
      April 29 2023 17: 50
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      And the plebeians are not sorry. Migrants will be brought in.

      Uzbeks and Tajiks are already much harder to exploit than Russians. There are painters from Central Asia in Moscow with a monthly salary of 350 rubles. And a specialist at Moscow Higher Technical School in aviation materials science is in seventh heaven with happiness if 000 rubles got to him in a month. Although, apparently, after graduation, he will find an application for his knowledge, but it is unlikely in Russia after 30 years of hard study: school, Moscow Higher Technical School, Skolkovo.
  9. +9
    April 29 2023 06: 27
    systems of research and production centers for testing and competencies in the field of development of drones.
    500 billion for something that you can't touch with your hands?
    1. +3
      April 29 2023 07: 00
      Moreover, it is not really possible to check this. Papers will be written for reporting and that's it.
  10. Aee
    +8
    April 29 2023 06: 34
    Major UAV players will only get involved under pressure, because in the long run it is a failure. The civilian market is small and poor, the war will end and the enterprise's capacities will be left with a nose. They will not enter the world market, even if there were no war. Elementary DJI occupies more than 70% of the world market, it is completely pointless to compete with it without having a part of the shares or at least joint patents with companies of the level (Zeiss, Hasselblad, etc.). It is not enough to invest a lot of money once, you need to bring the whole thing to self-sufficiency and invest more and more. The only thing that shines is that Russian UAVs will be produced in small quantities, and it’s good if there is only optics from a foreign one. But they will still be more expensive and worse than the top Chinese brands. The production of small UAVs is not only gluing a frame with stamping electric motors, but also a staff of IT specialists forging a digestible and intuitive control interface. Yes, and cameras will have to be born somewhere, we don’t even produce digital consumer soap dishes, not to mention action cameras with small sizes. Here is a simple analysis of dual-use products for you and people with money will not invest in it. And from the state a lot of sense will not come out.
    1. -2
      5 May 2023 13: 01
      And Lee Kuan Yew understood this very well and developed new industries and made them competitive precisely for public money. True, at the same time mercilessly crushed corruption.
  11. +16
    April 29 2023 06: 35
    Each such critical article speaks of the backwardness of our state as a whole.
    Somewhere, even from unfortunate Ukraine, where "our same people" ...
    The structure of our state is such that progress is possible only from above, and any initiative from there is suppressed. Like, from the Soviet, "keep your head down."
    While the bureaucratic and oligarchy rule in the sweet embrace of corruption and kickbacks, the country will hang out in the backyards of world progress, and young people will leave for any country that provides at least a little more freedom for creativity and self-expression...
    And by the way, our enemies will use these people who have left in this way to harm our country, with our own hands.
    It is very sad and embarrassing to say this.
    Russia is the most flawed country in this sense, which throughout its entire statehood has always squeezed out of itself in large numbers not the worst people to the West, to the East, to the Moon, to another galaxy ...
    Negative selection, Carl
    1. +4
      April 29 2023 06: 52
      Quote: Zestrum
      Each such critical article speaks of the backwardness of our state as a whole.
      Somewhere, even from unfortunate Ukraine, where "our same people" ...
      The structure of our state is such that progress is possible only from above, and any initiative from there is suppressed. Like, from the Soviet, "keep your head down."
      While the bureaucratic and oligarchy rule in the sweet embrace of corruption and kickbacks, the country will hang out in the backyards of world progress, and young people will leave for any country that provides at least a little more freedom for creativity and self-expression...
      And by the way, our enemies will use these people who have left in this way to harm our country, with our own hands.
      It is very sad and embarrassing to say this.
      Russia is the most flawed country in this sense, which throughout its entire statehood has always squeezed out of itself in large numbers not the worst people to the West, to the East, to the Moon, to another galaxy ...
      Negative selection, Carl



      I have always talked about this before. Attempts to make the USSR-2 with loot and oligarchs will only lead to the most tragic consequences.

      There is a ghostly hope that sooner or later, their own Great Reformer of the level of Lee Kwang Yew or Pak Chung Hee will come to power in Russia, who through their dictatorship completely destroyed everything totally rotten and with their reforms will build a completely new country in which there is no tsar-father will determine what is good for the people and what is not - and the lower classes will determine and dictate to the chosen government.
      1. -2
        April 29 2023 10: 36
        You idealize Lee Kuan Yew. And he built the purest capitalism with all the distortions of its development. What can you see in Singapore. By the way, we no longer advertise it like that. Even his methods are dangerous for the current regime...
        1. +3
          April 29 2023 11: 41
          You idealize Lee Kuan Yew. And he built the purest capitalism with all the distortions of its development. What can you see in Singapore. By the way, we no longer advertise it like that. Even his methods are dangerous for the current regime...

          Dangerous is putting it mildly. He started the fight against corruption with the fact that he FIRED ALL THE POLICE.

          And then everything according to his historical phrase:

          “When you start fighting bribery, the first thing you do is put your three friends in jail. You know exactly why, and they know why." :laughing:
      2. -2
        April 29 2023 12: 53
        There is a ghostly hope that sooner or later, a Great Reformer of the level of Lee Kwan Yu will come to power in Russia.

        maybe Russia does not need dictators? Socialist democracy will suit me too.
        1. 0
          2 May 2023 16: 18
          Democracy can NOT be social! Either socialism or democracy with capitalism.
      3. -1
        8 May 2023 19: 16
        A reformer of the level of Lee Kwang Yew or Pak Chung Hee, who through their dictatorship completely destroyed everything that was totally rotten and will build a completely new country with their reforms, in which it will not be the king-father who will determine what is good for the people and what is not - but the lower classes will determine and dictate to the elected authorities.

        Somehow you have everything mixed up in a heap: on the one hand, a dictator who will bend everyone with an iron hand, and right there - the lower classes determine, dictate the authorities ... And how does one fit into the other? The classic Russian dreams of a kind, intelligent tsar are VERY far from the idea of ​​democracy. Polar far away.
    2. -1
      April 29 2023 12: 59
      Quote: Zestrum
      Type, from the Soviet, "do not stick out."

      why is it "from the Soviet"? Maybe from the royal? Somehow, even before the revolution, ours was rotten, and the western was valued. An exception can be called a Mosin rifle and something naval. The rest is entirely from Europe.
      1. +1
        April 29 2023 13: 31
        Mosin rifle, modernized Nagant rifle, so also Europe ...
        1. 0
          1 May 2023 00: 52
          ... "what" to us, in the form of a TALE about the "3-line" tell us about the "2,5-line Fedorov automatic rifle" ??? - ... probably (ALSO STOLE BY RUSSIAN), for example, from Maxim, or Lewis ... : ) yes?
    3. +2
      1 May 2023 05: 51
      And how did you want? See who makes decisions on projects, anyone. Let's just say, the faces of Shar-Peis by age. Moreover, these persons did not come there for the State, they were appointed for another, there was no selection for professionalism from the word at all. The main thing is to be able to customize reporting beautifully for reports to the President (if he calls), and the rest of the time to direct flows where the overlords say. Grants for development rarely go to smart ones, mostly to dumb children from the 90s. The worst thing is that they do not hide it. At the APEC summit, the governor of Primorye directly brought his son (a talented businessman) to the President. He received a grant for the development of agriculture, in particular the cultivation of tomatoes and cucumbers. Apparently he has a specialized education. And so everywhere. Therefore, they do it on their knees, the boys who want, but are not sons (majors), do it contrary to it. And if one of them reaches a certain level of profit, one of the officials will immediately appear, the height of the link depends on the amount of profit. That's all, production will be bent. That's how we live. We have been deliberately led to this since the 90s, putting people in their places, to put it mildly, without a king in their heads.
  12. +3
    April 29 2023 06: 44
    No matter how Kulibin guys who take out the hard work of a volunteer in the production of UAVs, they will never reach the level of specialized research institutes and design bureaus. Because they buy equipment, 3D printers, electronics and other consumables at their own expense. And because many of them have a main job that takes both time and energy. And also due to the fact that often they are forced to work not because of, but in spite of.
    And what is there to marvel at? stop THIS IS RACE, baby! request
    1. +1
      April 29 2023 07: 55
      In fact, this is such a "cunning plan" - to disperse the production of UAVs among as many small industries as possible, which reduces their vulnerability to enemy weapons ... wink
    2. -1
      1 May 2023 01: 22
      ... one "KM" - CASPIAN MONSTER - what is it worth !!! - ... "filleted part of the body of homo sapiens" ANY AUG of "partners", ports of "partners", coastal bases of SPSh, NAGLII, O-USRALII, etc. .d. USEless as children's toys ... - but! "a man with a speck", and then the "bandleader", and ... - KILLED such "PRESSURE" on the "heels" of the "partners" ... - what about "EKIP" and NO SPEECH.
  13. +14
    April 29 2023 06: 44
    There was no time to deal with such garbage as drones and generally prepare for war. They were engaged in a more important matter - preparing for the Victory parades, tank biathlon, role-playing games aka the Capture of the cardboard Reichstag, all kinds of song and dance competitions and other important matters /.
    1. +13
      April 29 2023 07: 01
      ...forgot about cinema in space aboard the ISS. without such a kin at all
  14. +5
    April 29 2023 07: 15
    At least change it. But when DAM and others like that get into the business, everything ends in zilch hi . Examples are like dirt. "Everything has already been stolen before us."
    1. +6
      April 29 2023 10: 34
      And who brought Medvedev to power? By chance, not a conditional Putin? So everything is connected...
  15. -2
    April 29 2023 07: 25
    And what about us, is the war already over, have we already defeated the enemy and achieved all our goals in the NVO, something incomprehensible is going on in our state, all these ridiculous exhibitions of civilian drones, what kind of civilian UAV projects can we talk about now if we still cannot provide our army with military UAVs, it is absolutely not clear what they are thinking about up there and in what clouds they are hovering, only God knows.
    1. +6
      April 29 2023 07: 52
      We don't have a war. There is a strange military operation. No rules. In a word, Looking Glass. All wonders and wonders hi .
  16. +6
    April 29 2023 07: 35
    . actually a product of folk art gets to the front. It is not always possible to maintain quality

    Our leading gentlemen spare money for progress. R&D spending is less than in Brazil... what more to say?
  17. +10
    April 29 2023 07: 43
    What kind of production can there be in Russia when hucksters and security officials are in power?
  18. -3
    April 29 2023 07: 46
    Please correct me if my logic is wrong...
    Volunteer - a person who does what he considers proper, free of charge. That is, without receiving any benefit for themselves.
    Do those who "make drones on their knees" sell them or give them away for free? In my opinion, they give it away for free.
    Then where did the author get the phrase about handicraft anti-drone electronic warfare products at the price of a car and with incomprehensible efficiency?
    If something is given for money, then what kind of volunteering is this???
    And one more thing ... The author's proposal to gather all the "Kulibins" in one place, provide them with technical specifications, materials for production, safety, ensure that they do not worry about their daily bread ... Only this is called differently.
  19. 0
    April 29 2023 08: 35
    Die Produktion der Drohnen sollte/muss so gut wie möglich und sehr schnell unterstützt werden, so arm ist Russland auch nicht. Nennt man auch Zusammenarbeiten, gegenseitige Unterstützung & Patriotismus. Und wenn die jungen Leute nicht ordentlich gefördert und unterstützt werden, dann wandert sie ab, ist wie in vielen andern Ländern auch. Schließlich schläft die Gegenseite auch nicht! DesWeiteren sollten/ könnten die alten T54/55 oder auch ältere als Goliath Taktik( (Sd.Kfz. 302 bzw. 303, 3. Weltkrieg) bei Häuserkampf und Stellungskrieg eingesetzt werden. Autonom versteht sich, ist heutzutage kein Hexen Werk mehr.Der Test vor Artillerie - Goliathtaktik - Artillerie - Panzer - Soldaten.
  20. -5
    April 29 2023 09: 09
    Everyone complains about the officials who do this, do not do this, there is a SVO, but they continue to live as usual, and so on. Only now the power that produced these officials was chosen by all of us. What they wanted, what they missed, then we got it.
    As someone said that the people have the power they deserve.
    1. +2
      April 29 2023 12: 49
      Quote: BorzRio
      Only now the power that produced these officials was chosen by all of us.

      But do not talk about "everything"! I did not choose this power. I voted communist. Claims against those who voted for edrossov, led by Uncontested.
      1. -2
        6 May 2023 16: 16
        - Not only to those who voted for edross out of stupidity. Claims and to those who did not vote at all, and to those who used DEG, many of them vote for edril under duress. Only 30% of voters come to the polling stations. Therefore, the Communist Party is gaining insufficient votes.
  21. 0
    April 29 2023 09: 17
    Lessons on unmanned aircraft are planned to be included in the school curriculum. Considering that unmanned aircraft as a phenomenon is practically absent in Russia, the initiative looks very timely. If this story burns out, it's hard to even imagine how much budgetary funds it will draw on itself. How many drones will be purchased for schools, each of which can be useful at the front? But the picture and analytical reports will be what you need
    The same thoughts came to mind when I learned about a new initiative of little use, but rather harmful...
  22. +1
    April 29 2023 09: 28
    "Garage Design Bureau": why in Russia combat drones are still being made on the knee


    The word "why" in the title, without the "?" at the end, implies that the article will answer this interrogative word. And where is he, Eugene? Or is the time of rhetorical air tremors not over yet?

    In my opinion, all this was obvious last summer and even then the perpetrators should have been named and at the same time the decision of the tribunal should have been enforced. Oh, yes, we have a non-war, the laws of war are not used. Well, OK, now there is an article about a life sentence for treason, where is the initiation of proceedings on it? Or does it not have a retroactive effect? Or is it only for words, but for treason by action or inaction nothing is supposed, even a fine in the amount of the minimum wage?
  23. 0
    April 29 2023 09: 36
    I will quote. this is in the context of the Darkest One's speech about UAVs, and this is it:

    "It's nice to hear such speeches by the president, but experience speaks of the inevitability of tearing through the thorns of bureaucracy and sabotage for many more years.
    And also the issue of the right to develop near-weapon systems for any legal entity has not been resolved (I'm not talking about explosives and the main parts of weapons, but about carriers, jammers, radars, communications, the absence of which our symbol is on a par with the T-34). Let's just remember that both the switchblade and the boats that nightmare Sevastopol are initiative developments of private traders.
    Until we start using the resource of the country's civil engineers, but trying to drive them into the defense industry under the confiscated passport, we will catch up with a big delay.
    The fear of the legislators is completely incomprehensible to me here. If a group of developers has formed a legal entity where there is a transparent list of founders and employees, they will not break the law and do indecency. It is obvious. Just like commercial UAV operators methodically submit requests for flights and respect the allocated area. Register drones. I have never heard of serious violations of the rules of flights by the business.
    But a private non-name can make a fuss over the Kremlin, and sell a bonbu with wings on the darknet.
    So why should we create problems for honest developers because of idiots?!
    One of my colleagues, a chemist, once studying another list of bans on precursors, formulated the term "idiot-oriented state."
    Let's not be them, well, kidding? ..
    1. 0
      April 29 2023 14: 40
      Quote: Sadok
      So why should we create problems for honest developers because of idiots?!
      And why do people stay because of proven and effective drugs only because junkies have learned to cook their own shirevo out of them? I have only one answer - they care about the profits of the drug mafia. And in your case - to simplify the life of the bans, they are too lazy to understand. With a drone? Rake!
  24. +7
    April 29 2023 09: 51
    On the one hand, the article directly contradicts the official position of the Kremlin and the media -

    1) that in Ukraine all drug addicts, steal everything, sell everything to the left, and are ready to scatter and give up, and kill their own at the first opportunity.

    2) indirectly confirms that in Russia "the sheriff does not care about the problems of blacks"
    And most importantly, in the story with money for UAVs - cut them off with "our own".
    According to media notes, Rogozin, the "effective manager", and other commercial and bureaucratic structures have already made a strong presence there.

    Alas. this shows pro-risks for the poor. The elite is protected from conscription, the Oligarchs, according to the media, on the whole got rich one and a half times in a year on record trade with the EU (and hence NATO) and Asia.
    Volunteers collect UAVs in the garage, officials, they wrote, demand a "small share" at customs ... Standard.
  25. +1
    April 29 2023 10: 32
    Another confirmation that this is another war for top officials, oligarchs, mastering budgets and dragging out this war, as was the case with WWI. The upper echelon of the regime has not yet enriched itself enough, and here, just another "national project" for drones, which will not differ in efficiency from the existing ones. As a result, at first they will begin to reduce indicators, because there is a "crisis" (they are already doing this with the current ones), and then the funds will begin to fly away somewhere into the distance, as was the case with the programs of the same machine tool industry in the 2010s. Classic. And, as in WWI, the authorities will broadcast that the basis of victory is only "heroism and the spirit of the Russian soldier", this is enough, and everything else is not necessary ...
  26. +3
    April 29 2023 10: 35
    I would take part in the garage production of drones, I have experience in aircraft modeling. Only now I have not heard that specialists were recruited somewhere for such a production.
    1. -1
      April 29 2023 11: 49
      I would take part in the garage production of drones, I have experience in aircraft modeling. Only now I have not heard that specialists were recruited somewhere for such a production.

      Why a set? Organize yours.
      It's not a charity, it's a business.

      Frontline fighters BUY quads. With the money raised. Even when they are given a type of humanitarian aid, this humanitarian aid is also bought somewhere. For real rubles. Why did this "garage business" develop?

      And don't worry that you are "profiting" from the war. There are many ready to buy for any money. No, or nowhere.
      Capitalism, however... wink
  27. 0
    April 29 2023 10: 42
    what is the potential suitability in a special operation of a heavy helicopter UAV, which can be easily shot down by concentrated machine-gun fire?


    In the photo - Fire Scout MQ-8, already in 2000 the development began! They copy military development. True, to me, as well as to the author of the article, it seems outdated and certainly not the most relevant now, like Bayraktar, against the backdrop of FPV drones and shahids, which are clearly more successful in showing themselves.

    But to design and build a plant is not a matter of one day! On that momentperhaps such drones seemed to be a priority ...

    The speed of reaction of the industry needs to be changed first of all. FPV drones have proven to be super effective (so far!), and the Switchblade, which is very similar in tactics to them, is a dead end, they are being abandoned. You can’t sleep, you can’t produce what is being produced - too. Although any drone is better than none.
  28. +7
    April 29 2023 11: 48
    The answer to the questions in the article is one, and it is very simple. Well, they cannot in the best country with the best president, defense minister, and so on. be a problem. As they say, the warehouses are full, everything is in grease ... And if someone talks about problems, then this is nothing but fakes, or tricks of the CIPSO or Navalny, and so on. And even if someone at their level admits that everything is rotten, and even a motor for a drone cannot be made, then they will immediately tell him that he is not competent, and they will fire him. They say everything is fine, and only you are bad. Drive out with a pissing rag, and put another in his place, who will say that everything is fine, and the king is dressed ....
  29. 0
    April 29 2023 13: 37
    Quote: Ohsetin
    Quote from Bingo
    Those. creation of a full-fledged research institute.

    And another cut of the budget? Or maybe just buy UAVs from private traders on a competitive basis? Damn, no, there, too, MORF will not be able to do without kickbacks. What to do, how to be? Probably in canned foodtorii needs somethingall) change?

    During the Second World War, the evacuated factories in the Urals began to produce products for the front in 3-5 months. More than a year has passed, where are the necessary drones ???
    1. +1
      1 May 2023 01: 39
      ... - It was.
      - AND NOW: - "Do you see the gopher? - No. - I don't see it either. But it is."
      - "Armaty" "as it were ... on the" papers "" - ... but PHYSICALLY ... "- Do you see the gopher?".
      - 2S35 "Coalition-SV" is needed? ... - "Do you see the gopher?"
      The Marker platform project has been developed since 2018 by the Android Technique company???? - "Do you see the gopher?"
      It's good that the PEOPLE COLLECT MONEY for "LOBAEVKI" ... - And the "MO RF" HDE ???!!! - Boats on the Dnieper ALSO THE PEOPLE "SHOULD" be delivered to the TROOPS, and not the Russian State ???? - ... -
    2. 0
      2 May 2023 14: 43
      "During the war" at the evacuated factories, for the production of three shifts, it was enough to involve turners, mechanics, electricians and evacuated women with teenagers ... And "things were in full swing" ...

      And for the "factory production" (i.e., - high-quality, serial) we need specialists in electronics (technologists and designers), installers and assemblers of electronic equipment, and COMPETENT INPUT CONTROL coming to the factory, again, SERIALLY manufactured by a certified supplier of COMPLETE EQUIPMENT - i.e. e. so-called "microelectronic components"...

      And try to provide all this, FIRST OF ALL, SUFFICIENT NUMBER of competent and trained SPECIALISTS, even "for a whole year of SVO" ...

      By the way, in the photo for the article about a "typical workplace", with all due respect to the guys, in the field and "on their knees" assembling UAVs, the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe danger of the impact of a static electricity discharge on components is very distant ...

      In any case, from the category of the type - "statistical charge lives in textbooks on physics" and "requirements of scientific and technical documentation". Not in real life...

      Here the mounting table is covered with a "conductive" (that is, "zeroing the potential" of the components correctly placed on it, subject to installation (or, dismantling ...). If, of course, they are correctly placed there ...

      And the installer himself works without a "grounding" bracelet. And his soldering iron, too, is not visible to be "grounded" ...

      He is sitting on an armchair, which obviously does not lead to the "ground", and in "camouflage" does not have "antistatic" properties at all ...

      And, for sure, in "berets" on a shock-resistant and INSULATING (so-called CONTRIBUTING to the accumulation of stat potential ...) soles ...

      And that's EVERYTHING, only the minimum of their possible technological "garage" jambs ...

      Many of the components, or these carrier components, are made using MOS or CMOS technology (the so-called "field workers") with extremely sensitive to the effects (including "non-contact" ...) static electricity ...

      And it’s good if they are “tested” right “on the table” ... AND IMMEDIATELY they reveal a defect during verification and adjustment (setting) ...

      But they can just "beat a little" (the worst option). Then the "wounded" element often passes the output control. And it starts to "mow" the so-called. "intermittent failures (failures) already during operation" in the field "...
  30. +1
    April 29 2023 14: 12
    Is it any wonder after this situation when the lion's share of drones is supplied to the front either by volunteers or teams of enthusiastic engineers?
    In fact, this is the only option: the army can officially take something only after long and expensive ritual actions. And they only get harder with time. Mathematics certification alone will take six months to a year. Did you find and fix bugs? Well done, according to the new rules - certify again.
  31. -1
    April 29 2023 14: 52
    Despite the more than thirty-year history of the destruction of the Soviet production and scientific and technical potential, Russia, fortunately, fortunately, has both production and engineering capabilities to organize the rapid and large-scale production of extremely useful, and often even necessary for the armed forces, drones.
    Personally, for example, I can even from Switzerland link together the production facilities and the necessary intellectual forces, which I know for sure that they are available, patriotic and have the desire, the necessary level and capabilities for the quick and successful implementation of such a project. And for this there is no need to curtail existing civilian projects.

    The problem is again political in nature, namely, the traitors and enemies of our Motherland, who are currently exercising the political leadership of the country and trying to lead it to defeat and destruction, have formed a clan, they are stealing the existing budget for this and blocking the production of the necessary weapons.
    They also control the necessary permits for the supply of equipment to the troops.

    Also, as was already rightly noted by other participants in the discussion, one cannot rely on private investment, because these people do not hear about patriotism, and if there was, they would be ripped off by those who sit on the necessary permits.

    In general, the forum participants have an understanding that the problem lies precisely in this. The next step would be to understand that this problem needs to be addressed.
    Namely, a revolutionary change in the policy and political leadership of the country is necessary.
  32. +3
    April 29 2023 15: 04
    There are three main pillars. Bureaucracy, appropriation, nepotism. Bureaucracy creates many obstacles in the form of registration, consideration and approval. Assignment takes away part of the allocated funds for personal needs, violating the deadlines and the cycle. Nepotism keeps other organizations from appearing, nipping potential innovations in the bud.
    How does this happen.
    A person comes with an idea and ready-made versions of his products. If it is considered, there will be a long bureaucratic cycle.
    A person is allocated a specific amount for the first stage of production. Part of the amount goes into pockets. Deadlines are delayed due to disruptions in the supply of raw materials or other components.
    Someone from officials or relatives of officials sees a threat of competition for their organization (s). By collusion, the idea of ​​​​a person is blocked immediately. If the process is running, the project may try to appropriate or close.
    1. 0
      April 29 2023 15: 14
      Yes, the problem looks exactly like this, but these people are supervised by the political leadership, which hid the stolen Soviet property in foreign banks, their deposits are known and therefore they are controlled by foreign clans and services, in the service of which they are and therefore lead the country to their order to collapse. True patriotism and the true path to victory goes through the displacement of these people and through the restoration of a renewed USSR.
      Therefore, this theft and nepotism are, in fact, sabotage and betrayal that must be eradicated, in which enemies are interested and no one can call himself a patriot if he participates or supports or knows about it and does not take action.
      1. 0
        4 May 2023 18: 07
        It is necessary to put loudspeakers on the drones and report in the voice of Levitan: give up, after 5 minutes a strike on the detachments, after 10 - death.
        The Am-tsy forced Noriega to surrender with their music.
    2. +1
      1 May 2023 10: 33
      More often, the idea is immediately appropriated and KB is created for whom the KB is needed, and Kulibin is wrapped up from the interview so that he does not even think of inventing a rogue. And a couple of months later, the announcement of the same idea, but slightly corrected with cosmetics, but from the right person.
      1. 0
        4 May 2023 18: 13
        Co-authors, Arkady Raikin are not on them.
  33. +1
    April 29 2023 17: 18
    We just need to organize the work

    Where can we find organizers of the level of Beria or Ustinov? Such "defective managers" of the level of Manturov and Chemezov, etc., will not let them come close. huckster. Not worthy to write a surname with a capital letter.
  34. +3
    April 29 2023 19: 04
    in Kronstadt they released a catamaran for transporting tourists, and you with some kind of drones. do not interfere with the relatives of the overhead to do business
  35. +1
    April 29 2023 21: 54
    For example, on April 11, the World Trade Center in Moscow hosted the Geoscan Technologies 2023 conference, where guests, in particular, were told about the “creation of quadrocopters and animation for drone shows”,

    Bad example.
    Geoscan makes UAVs in the field of geodesy, these drones are equipped with a camera fixed rigidly in the body and which simply takes photos of terrain, flies along a certain route laid down in the program, without the participation of the operator and the operator does not display the video image from the camera on the remote control, they are very different from that what is currently being used.
    The question is, does Geoscan have experience in making UAVs according to the functions that are now used in the NWO?
    A glider, yes, to produce electronics that will be resistant to electronic warfare there is no 100% experience and they don’t have a radio engineer who understands this, it depends more on the customer who will be able to select the necessary radio engineer, re-equip production as, for example, geoscan 701 they have more complex unlike from an eagle whose tank is squeezed out of a PET blank for a bottle, etc., etc.
    The office, if anything, is located in St. Petersburg.
  36. 0
    April 29 2023 22: 15
    Power to Siberia and the Far East, as in the times of the Second World War. 8 bit MK from kbt and mbt is not enough. But robot vacuum cleaners with their MK and bosch home connect equipment will fit perfectly for donors. And the benefit in nosovosib and Krasnoyarsk is the production of paragraphs. Solder 702 lukey? It is possible and even necessary. Suggest moving production to Siberia
  37. +1
    April 29 2023 23: 04
    Russia has been rocking slowly all its life. Our main enemy is within us! If we can defeat him, we will defeat all the external ones! Unfortunately, they "brought up" a generation of "managers" who care about sovereign interests. Replacing takes time and, most importantly, motivation. In other words, where commerce and profit comes first, there will be no sense. Cadres decide everything (s). And they just don't exist.
    But nothing, I hope the war will force our country to reconsider a lot. It already happened.
  38. +1
    April 30 2023 00: 42
    If you let the "enthusiasts" work, then what will the "respectable people" do, and what will they do then, these amateurs will cling to the boss's point, "there are more stars, no need to argue." The main thing is Putin, leave Putin, otherwise, turmoil, terrible turmoil. Here, losing in a non-war is not a problem, but turmoil, yes, this is not good. Disgrace.
  39. 0
    April 30 2023 07: 06
    Where is the order from the Ministry of Defense? Where is the competition, intelligible TK on this and many other issues up to first-aid kits? This is not. Therefore, the best use of brains and pens now is to make civilian drones and volunteer projects in garages. Moaning about "brain distractions" is an empty phrase. No orders - no need. There will be an order - there will be people. Thank God we have a market economy.
  40. 0
    April 30 2023 14: 26
    But what about the Kronstadt company? A few years ago it was actively promoted on TV and so on.
    1. 0
      1 May 2023 01: 51
      Well, they make something. In purchases they flicker
  41. 0
    April 30 2023 20: 50
    In a good way, all enthusiasts should be gathered in one place
    Oh, this is definitely going to end badly. When the state gathers everyone together, it will turn out to be Skolkovo 2
    1. 0
      5 May 2023 13: 31
      For the sake of interest, go to Army 23 and see what happened to their Era.
  42. 0
    April 30 2023 23: 51
    Well, they do it in garages, it's good .. The fact is that land in Russia is expensive. Rent too.. Therefore, the easiest is to build a garage or use an existing one.
    This is how the market works.
    1. 0
      1 May 2023 10: 26
      Tell the Japanese about expensive land, their eyes will open up, and how are they ahead of the planet in high-tech with such expensive land? Well, not otherwise, UFOs help with teleports.
      1. 0
        8 May 2023 11: 06
        Well, what? Cheap stuff?
        We go to the cyan and look at the prices. Plus, the land should not be in the taiga, but together where there is at least some kind of developed logistics.
        I also thought maybe I could transfer business from Moscow to Tyumen. I went to see the prices for land in Tyumen and realized that land in the Moscow region would be cheaper, and logistics would be better. In Tyumen, too, looked far from the city.
  43. 0
    1 May 2023 02: 00
    It would seem that a completely harmless article once again "reveals the abscesses" of domestic management. There isn't even much to comment on. Watch the video from Dima Rogozin and draw your own conclusions.
    https://vk.com/video707404792_456239705
  44. 0
    1 May 2023 10: 24
    Because you can definitely make a drone in the garage and on your knee, but in the gomclrporation for a couple of years after the war you will collect papers for permission to manufacture.
  45. 0
    4 May 2023 12: 35
    It is only necessary to organize the work, give resources and not interfere.

    Eeeee, dear, quiet the chaise then! How can serious people raise money with such an approach? Here you can’t really drink anything, not those amounts. But on any developments, this is different, until 2030 you can normally pick up fat like that.
    You have to understand!
  46. 0
    4 May 2023 14: 16
    This topic was well voiced by the late Tatarsky. About the fact that they make a lot of money in handicrafts, inflating prices dozens of times. Threatened to open this abscess. When I heard, not knowing who else voiced it, it was not the tenant who said ... They answered me already ...
  47. 0
    4 May 2023 15: 38
    I came up with a technology for making glider hulls, quickly, and cheaply. But not on the knee, but on conventional equipment. 1000 pieces per day per piece of equipment.
    Enough for the front and schools.
    But they are building helicopters !!!! Fuck no one needs ....
  48. 0
    4 May 2023 15: 49
    Need to rejoice. We have such bookkeeping that the factory will be 10 times more expensive.
  49. 0
    5 May 2023 13: 29
    For these guys, the slogan "Everything for the front - everything for victory" is not empty words. Well, for some, SVO.
  50. 0
    6 May 2023 19: 54
    Until now, no one has understood - on the knee you can give the product any shape, but on the machine a fig with poppy seeds, because there is no machine. They didn’t even think of buying it now or then, because there were heaps of money, but they are not in the country, but somewhere in the thirtieth kingdom in an unknown state. And so you can easily do everything from any tree in order to have it on your knee of any shape, and even cancer. Fish danced with cancer, and parsley danced with parsnips.
  51. 0
    7 May 2023 15: 10
    "Garage Design Bureau": why in Russia combat drones are still being made on the knee

    I will assume that government officials require very large kickbacks when allocating funds for their production.
    “In our country, officials have not been shot for a long time” (c)
  52. 0
    8 May 2023 10: 02
    yes, because the industry is run by sociologists and chatterboxes...
    1. 0
      9 May 2023 12: 07
      The industry is run by grabbers - “effective” owners.
  53. 0
    31 May 2023 21: 55
    No matter what the Kulibin guys are, who carry out the hard work of volunteers in the production of UAVs, they will never reach the level of specialized research institutes and design bureaus.
    But specialized research institutes and design bureaus will never achieve that speed and flexibility of development. Because they are too bureaucratic and work not for victory or conscientiously, but for budgets. Need examples? How long has it been since the start of the SVO? Our General Staff has already recognized the effectiveness of drones. But where are the massive supplies of UAVs to the front? Still in development?
    I will add on my own behalf. We had to disassemble some of the modern developments of the domestic military industry. It seems like the children were assembling during labor lessons.

    It is only necessary to organize the work, give resources and not interfere.
    The last one is the most important. Keep morally outdated engineers and any effective managers as far away as possible.
  54. 0
    3 June 2023 23: 31
    Quote: MBRBS
    Quote: BorzRio
    Only now the power that produced these officials was chosen by all of us.

    But do not talk about "everything"! I did not choose this power. I voted communist. Claims against those who voted for edrossov, led by Uncontested.

    I don't want to offend you, but you have nothing to boast about. You could have voted for Trump with EXACTLY the SAME SUCCESS. The result would be exactly the same. This means that the benefit of your vote is about the same as a fig in your pocket.
  55. 0
    21 June 2023 18: 28
    There are so many letters, but there is absolutely no meaning in the article. I advise the author of the article to get a job at a defense plant and work there and the question of the article will disappear by itself. This is not a problem of individual factories, this is a problem of the system as a whole, many enterprises would be happy to launch such production, but the Moscow Region simply will not take their products!!!!!!!!
  56. 0
    21 June 2023 21: 27
    There are industrial drones - the same lancets. It seems like a good solution and judging by the videos there are quite a few of them. Why handicraft if there are lancets?
  57. 0
    21 June 2023 23: 57
    I'm glad the guys are doing what they can.
    I can't. I came up with a technology for the production of aircraft-type UAV gliders at the price of a roll of toilet paper at a rate of 1000 pieces per day per piece of equipment.
    The problem is that this can not be done on the knee!
    But I'm not in a hurry and I don't tell anyone how it works. Firstly, so that the West does not intercept the idea. Secondly, there are simply not enough trained operators now. Thirdly, if we, and then everyone, starts producing UAVs using my technology, it will be horror at the front, air defense will be reset completely and very quickly.
    So maybe not shine your clothes at all, more fighters will remain alive.
    Something like this. The academics could not resist with the atom, they made a bomb, and now the whole world is walking in fear.
    So work guys in the cities quietly.
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  58. 0
    2 July 2023 02: 24
    It’s just that everyone in power is deeply livid about the Northern Military District, their children don’t die there, and they won’t do anything. 2 years of war and nothing has changed, the volunteers pushed the copters the same way.