In serial form: the Turkish army received new prototypes of the Altay tank

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In serial form: the Turkish army received new prototypes of the Altay tank
One of the first prototypes of the Altay MBT, built in the XNUMXs


Türkiye continues to implement a program for the development and production of its own main combat tank Altay. Despite a lot of problems, work continues and regularly gives reason for optimism. So, recently the contractor company BMC manufactured and handed over to the customer the first two tanks in serial form. Now they have to pass tests, the results of which will decide the issue of launching a full-fledged series.



Intermediate result


Recall that the idea of ​​developing their own tank came from the Turkish military back in the mid-nineties. However, the real project called "Altai" (named after General Fakhrettin Altai) started only in 2007. The next few years were spent on developing the first versions of the project. Otokar acted as the lead developer. In the first half of the XNUMXs, she produced several experimental tanks.

Later, the development was transferred to BMC Otomotiv Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş. In November 2018, a contract for the serial production of tanks appeared, with a total of 250 units planned to be built. The start of production was scheduled for 2020. However, at this stage, there were problems with access to the necessary foreign components. The search for a replacement for them led to a significant shift in the timing.

The development of a new configuration of the Altay tank, suitable for mass production, continued until 2022. In addition, in 2022-23. signed several large contracts for the supply of necessary components of Turkish and foreign production. In particular, these documents stipulate the supply of power plant and transmission units for the next few years. With their help, the implementation of the existing order for serial MBTs will be ensured.


Ceremony for the transfer of serial appearance tanks, April 23, 2023

Against the background of these events in 2021-22. construction began on two more experimental tanks in the intended serial form. At the beginning of last year, the Turkish leadership announced that they would be completed and put to the test in 2023.

"New Altai"


A few weeks ago, in March 2023, BMC announced that two tanks of serial appearance would be handed over to the customer in April. Despite all the previous problems of the program and repeated delays, this time the promises were kept.

On April 23, a solemn ceremony of handing over two new tanks took place at the BMC Savunma Arifiye plant (Sakarya). The event was attended by the top leadership of Turkey. The necessary papers were signed, and speeches were made on the topic of recent industrial successes and the significance of the Altay project for national security. In addition, they expressed hope for the speedy completion of the current stage of the project and the transition to the series.

Previously, the first serial version of the tank was designated as Altay T1. However, in the course of recent improvements, the configuration of the machine has seriously changed. In this regard, the developer company offers the unofficial name Yeni Altay ("New Altai"). Whether it will go to the official level is unknown.


Head of state and experienced MBT

At the ceremony, it was announced that two tanks would soon go to the training ground for testing. It is planned to check the new technical appearance and composition of the units, as well as to confirm the design characteristics. In addition, if necessary, the design will be re-finished.

Future series


The tests of the two New Altais will continue until approximately 2025. After they are completed, in the absence of new problems, BMC will have to start mass production of tanks for the Turkish army. The first batches of equipment will go to the troops at the beginning of the second half of the decade.

According to the 2018 contract, the Turkish ground forces should receive 250 tanks of the new model. In the future, the emergence of new production contracts is not ruled out, however, such orders will be issued only in the distant future, perhaps in the next decade.

There are still a few years left before the start of serial production of MBT Altay, but the necessary cooperation is already being prepared and relevant cooperation agreements are being signed. So, in March 2021, BMC signed contracts with South Korean firms Doosan Infracore and SNT Dynamics. The first will have to supply DV27K engines, and the second will receive EST15K automatic transmissions.


In 2022 and 2023, additional agreements appeared to clarify the terms of cooperation. So, in January 2023, we agreed on a schedule for the delivery of EST15K products. By the end of 2027, 90 such transmissions are expected, and by December 2030 another 150 will be delivered. Such a delivery schedule allows us to imagine the approximate pace of future production of tanks.

Serial appearance


According to the results of the last revision, the original Altay project has changed significantly. Individual components and systems were improved, and a number of units went under replacement. As a result, as stated, Yeni Altai compares favorably with previous experimental MBTs and should show higher technical and combat characteristics.

While maintaining the general design features, protection has been enhanced. The hull and turret of the serial appearance have an updated combined armor in the frontal projection. The Aselsan AKKOR active protection complex is also used, the installation of which was worked out in the past. The previously announced on-board electronic warfare complex, apparently, is not yet available.

Initially, the Altai project used a German-made power plant, but then Germany refused to supply such units for political reasons. The serial appearance of the MBT provides for the use of a South Korean DV27K diesel engine with a power of 1500 hp, combined with an EST15K automatic transmission. Such a power unit was originally developed for the K2 Black Panther tank.


The complex of weapons in the "new" project has not undergone fundamental changes. Main weapons is still a 120 mm gun from the Turkish company MKE. The Aselsan VOLCAN-II fire control system is used. As an additional weapon, a coaxial machine gun of normal caliber and an Aselsan SARP combat module with a heavy machine gun were used.

Despite the replacement of units and the emergence of new systems, the combat weight of the tank in serial form remained within 65 tons, as required by the original terms of reference. Specific power not less than 23 hp per ton should provide high mobility and maneuverability in all conditions. The crew includes four people.

Solved Tasks


The promising Turkish MBT Altay has been developed for more than 15 years, but has not yet reached mass production and has not hit the troops. According to current plans, the army will have to wait for this technique for another two to three years. The reasons for this delay in work and the constant postponement of deadlines are obvious. Turkey had no experience in developing modern tanks, and at some point lost the support of a key foreign partner.

BMC and subcontractors eventually managed to solve new problems and find suppliers of the required units, which have already been included in the updated project. The serial appearance of the Yeni Altay is embodied in metal, and now the two tanks have to confirm the calculated characteristics. If they cope with the tests, the first Turkish MBT will go into series. Otherwise, the schedule of a promising program will have to be revised once again.
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  1. +1
    April 26 2023 05: 33
    However, the real project called "Altai" (named after General Fakhrettin Altai) started only in 2007.

    But it’s the “Armata” that is bad, of course.
    1. +4
      April 26 2023 06: 20
      Actually, the "tank traditions" (design schools) of the USSR / Russia and Turkey are somehow inconvenient to compare. For them, this is a relatively new direction, unlike us.
      1. +1
        April 26 2023 07: 11
        Quote: MBRBS
        Actually, the "tank traditions" (design schools) of the USSR / Russia and Turkey are somehow inconvenient to compare. For them, this is a relatively new direction, unlike us.

        It is inconvenient if the black failure of the 90s and the subsequent policy of the military-industrial complex until the 10s are missed, otherwise the comparison is normal. An almost finished line of MBT, BMP and ARV against one already outdated tank.
      2. 0
        April 26 2023 19: 25
        So tanks are obtained at a completely different level: most of the units are bought from the Turks and there are no fundamental novelties of their development, we have a novelty on a novelty and a lot of our own development.
        They also compared the incomparable.
      3. Eug
        0
        3 July 2023 06: 37
        There was a project for the modernization of Turkish T-60s from the KMDB named after Morozov, a representative of the Soviet design school, which provided for the installation of 6TD diesel engines and a turret from the Yatagan. Surely "in the process" the Turks learned a lot.
    2. 0
      April 26 2023 07: 22
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      However, the real project called "Altai" (named after General Fakhrettin Altai) started only in 2007.

      But it’s the “Armata” that is bad, of course.

      firstly, no one talks about a "bad armature", and secondly, the "armata" simply has problems with the engine. They will solve it in the end.
      1. 0
        April 26 2023 08: 05
        Quote: Aerodrome
        "armats" are just problems with the engine. They will solve it in the end.

        12N360 is several years older than the tank, and there are no problems with it. Another thing is that some military leaders got dizzy from success and they demanded up to 2000 hp to catch up with the power. But fortunately Wishlist screwed.
        1. +2
          April 26 2023 08: 34
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          12N360 is several years older than the tank, and there are no problems with it.

          There are problems with him. Haven't been able to get it to work yet.
          Near Kazan Almaty, probably, went with gas turbine engines. A specific "whistle" is clearly audible.

          1. 0
            April 26 2023 09: 52
            It is quite possible, only tank gas turbine engines have not been produced for a long time, and Klimov's design bureau has been optimized.
          2. +2
            April 26 2023 11: 40
            Quote from cold wind
            Near Kazan Almaty, probably, went with gas turbine engines. A specific "whistle" is clearly audible.

            Isn't it funny to you? Or do you not know about boost?
          3. +1
            April 26 2023 13: 01
            Armats probably traveled near Kazan with gas turbine engines

            No, it looks like it's a diesel.
          4. 0
            April 26 2023 19: 42
            There are problems with him. Haven't been able to get it to work yet.

            Yes, how much can you already CARL !? 10 years have passed and tests and improvements continue! The defense industry has turned into a black hole sucking trillions of rubles into itself, and as a result, t62-t54 are sent against modern leopards and challengers, boys die just like that in an unequal battle, and all sorts of directors of tank factories receive multi-million salaries! NEED TO DO SOMETHING
      2. -4
        April 26 2023 09: 49
        Armata has no problems with the engine, as well as with the transmission, due to their absence.
        1. +4
          April 26 2023 11: 41
          Quote: Evil_minusator
          Armata has no problems with the engine, as well as with the transmission, due to their absence.

          And she rides on a turbine, also absent, not otherwise.
      3. 0
        April 26 2023 13: 12
        If only with an engine. As Khlopotov wrote, there were also problems with the quality of the steel being smelted for the gun. Most likely, the problems with steel are due to the closure of open-hearth furnaces throughout the country, at the insistence of "environmentalists" (apparently, the CIA and MI6 environmentalists are supervised).
        1. +3
          April 26 2023 18: 51
          In which furnaces, then, is steel for the T-90 guns smelted, and why are there no problems with them?
          1. -1
            April 28 2023 22: 27
            The T-90 has a less powerful gun and less demanding on the quality of steel.
            1. -1
              April 28 2023 22: 32
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              The T-90 gun is less powerful and less demanding on the quality of steel

              Good for a blizzard of revenge. Metallurgist, damn negative
              1. 0
                2 May 2023 11: 27
                Excerpt from Wikipedia, for those who consider themselves the smartest.
                "According to reports, the first prototype of the 125-mm 2A82 tank gun entered testing in 2003 [source not specified 1108 days]. To ensure high survivability, its barrel was made of high-strength steels (with increased requirements for metal quality), and the channel surface By the fall of 2006, 2 shots were tested on the prototype 82A787, and 613 and 554 shots, respectively, on the next two prototypes.
        2. 0
          17 June 2023 23: 34
          In general, the highest quality and exotic steels are smelted in electric furnaces. And open-hearth for consumer goods
    3. 0
      April 26 2023 20: 34
      But it’s the “Armata” that’s bad, how

      And Türkiye is, of course, a world tank power, like the USSR / Russian Federation?
      And they have been riveting tanks since the 20s of the last century?
      You are comparing warm and liquid.
      1. 0
        April 27 2023 06: 11
        Quote from Digger
        And Türkiye is, of course, a world tank power, like the USSR / Russian Federation?
        And they have been riveting tanks since the 20s of the last century?

        And the comments above do not allow you to read?
  2. 0
    April 26 2023 08: 34
    The most interesting thing is that they screwed combined armor to their Leo with the name? It looks like they also borrowed from the Koreans. Lobeshnik of the tower has almost the same shape.
  3. +3
    April 26 2023 10: 48
    The Turks, over the past decades, have been actively raising their arms production.
    But before they become a state capable of manufacturing their own tanks, they need to get rid of imported equipment for tanks. Master your production of engines and transmissions. Ah, this is one of the basics of the tank.
    With the Germans, it turned out to be a snack, they switched to South Korean engines and transmissions, and there will be a snack with South Korea, what then? Especially since South Korea is a US vassal.
  4. +2
    April 26 2023 11: 25
    And why are they taking pictures with their hands folded?

    https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2023-04/altay-4.jpg

  5. 0
    April 26 2023 13: 54
    Well done to the Koreans! Tanks and self-propelled guns are being driven to the Poles by the thousands, and engines to others. Soon, half of NATO will be at Korean facilities. A good example to follow for everyone, from a country that is generally new to this industry has achieved such success!
    1. +1
      April 26 2023 15: 30
      South Korea accounts for 30-50% of large-tonnage ships produced in the world. They are an industrial superpower. So you are completely right.
    2. 0
      April 26 2023 18: 12
      Quote: spirit
      Well done to the Koreans! Tanks and self-propelled guns are being driven to the Poles by the thousands, and engines to others. Soon, half of NATO will be at Korean facilities. A good example to follow for everyone, from a country that is generally new to this industry has achieved such success!

      And by the way, the Republic of Korea has one of the best armies in the world: it is in the top 10, in which place, I don’t remember, but definitely in the top 10. And if someone tells me where she is, thanks from me and my plus! hi
      1. +1
        April 26 2023 18: 19
        All these tops are fierce nonsense. We are the second army of the world, we are fighting against 22.
        1. 0
          April 26 2023 22: 22
          Even worse! According to that table in the link I attached (I don't know if it will open or not), they are already in 15th place! fool
          https://pooha.net/society/weaponry/605-army-2023
          If anything, just in case, I threw the link again, you can go and see.
      2. +1
        April 26 2023 20: 45
        And by the way, the Republic of Korea has one of the best armies in the world: it is in the top 10, where, I don’t remember, but definitely in the top 10

        By what criteria?



        (I hope you understand German?)
        Of course, the army is not sickly for such a country
        Soldiers - 555 thousand active soldiers and 500 thousand reservists and 750 thousand service personnel. Ground forces: tanks - 2624; armored vehicles - 13990; self-propelled artillery - 3040; towed artillery - 3854; missile systems - 574. Naval Forces: frigates - 18; helicopter carriers - 2; destroyers - 12; corvettes - 11; submarines - 22; patrol boats - 111; mine complexes - 13. Aviation: fighters / interceptors - 402; attack aircraft - 90; transport aircraft - 41; training aircraft - 289; special purpose aircraft - 30; air tankers - 4; helicopters - 739; attack helicopters - 112.
        1. 0
          April 26 2023 22: 10
          Ja, ich spreche auf Deutsch, darum Sie nicht sorgen, alles gut! soldier
          Die Streitkräfte Südkorea steht auf 6 Platzt (das sind algemeine Parametre), MLF (Militärlüftflotte) - 5,
          die Marine - 19, Panzertruppe - 10.
          PS Information: https://pooha.net/society/weaponry/605-army-2023
    3. +1
      April 26 2023 20: 38
      Quote: spirit
      Well done Koreans! Poles tanks and self-propelled guns driven by thousands, other engines

      belay
      Brake, skid.
      K2 released +/- 25
      K9 around 1100
      How can you drive them to someone "thousands"? What about yourself?
      PySy in Poland is not yet in service with K9, and K2 is something around 9-10.
  6. -2
    April 26 2023 19: 37
    Six months ago, I read patriotic articles on VO * cheers that armata goes into battle and is heading to the NVO zone. now I’m reading articles that t-55 and t-54 are sent to the NWO zone. Well, in the summer we are waiting for news that t-34s and is-3s are being sent to the zone, and there will be articles like "we are upgrading the tank to modern standards and will go for checkpoints, but thousands of them are kept idle"

    *Possibly confused with Reporter
  7. 0
    19 June 2023 10: 39
    There are not so many manufacturers of tank diesel engines, but for Western-type tanks (heavy - 60-70 tons with a power of 1500ls-2000ls) there are generally only a few. And to license the Turks - even fewer who will sell.
    The United States has a turbine, the Britons have a rather weak one ... France-Germany - serial TD 1500ls. Maybe Japan too.
  8. 0
    4 October 2023 12: 21
    He reminds me of someone... I don’t understand the current.