An-124 replacement: reality or fantasy

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An-124 replacement: reality or fantasy
Image from a patent for an industrial design for a Russian super-heavy military transport aircraft. Submission date – May 2022


Strategic interests


The presence of its own fleet of heavy and super-heavy military transport aircraft is a clear sign of a power that has ambitions for world leadership. Even in a multipolar world. In the Soviet Union, this was all right. By the mid-80s, a powerful fleet was formed in the country, the backbone of which was the advanced for their time Il-76, An-22 and An-124. The total number of cars reached 450.



The interests of the USSR extended to the whole world, and transport aviation played a huge role in this. With the collapse of the Union, hard times have come for military aviation - suffice it to say that from 1992 to 2015, the Air Force did not receive a single transport aircraft. Then the era of deeply modernized Il-76MD and Il-76MD-90A began, which are currently considered the most modern military transport aircraft of the Aerospace Forces.

The machines are excellent, but have not undergone fundamental changes - in a good way, it was necessary to build a new aircraft. The potential of the new Il-76 remained at the level of the 70-80s. Without preliminary preparation, only the equipment of the Airborne Forces enters the cargo compartment - everything else either has to be disassembled or literally squeezed in.

Paradoxically, with a carrying capacity of 60 tons, the Il-76 should have placed any domestic tank with a large margin, but the width of the T-72 without side screens is 3,37 m, and the cargo compartment of the aircraft is 3,45 m. The Il-76 is an aircraft exclusively for airborne equipment, nothing more.


An-124 "Ruslan". Source: sdelanounas.ru

Military equipment will inevitably become heavier and increase in size. The chronic shortage of machines such as An-22 (carrying capacity up to 80 tons) and An-124 (carrying capacity up to 120 tons) makes us think about the prospects for domestic aviation. An-22 can be safely considered retired - there are only three or four aircraft in airworthiness.

There are more Ruslans - sixteen combat-ready copies. According to other sources, there are no more than five super-heavy machines. Compare that to 52 US heavy haulers C-5M Galaxy. Of course, it is impossible to directly compare the activity of America and Russia on the globe, but more than a threefold lag in the number of super-heavy aircraft cannot be considered acceptable. Moreover, the Americans have the S-17 Globemaster III with a maximum payload of about 77 tons, that is, the actual analogue of the "old man" An-22. And here the Pentagon simply has a total numerical advantage - 279 machines were riveted.

As a result, in the segment of 70-80-ton machines, we have a void, and in the class of "super-heavy" there is a threefold numerical backlog. Given the size of the US and Russian armies, the specific number of heavy military transport aircraft is simply incomparably greater among the Americans. Recall that the Russian army in the near future should be increased by ten percent.


An-22. Source: warfiles.ru

It cannot be said that nothing is being done in this direction. Even before the Ukrainian Maidan, an intergovernmental agreement was signed on the serial production of the An-124 with D-18T engines. It was supposed to start at the Ulyanovsk Aviastar in 2016. Motors, respectively, intended to produce in Zaporozhye. It is unnecessary to talk about what and who prevented this, but the fact remains that nine years ago Russia was left without prospects for the further development of a whole class of aircraft.

After that, individuals confidently spoke about the possibility of resuming the production of Ruslans in Russia already with domestic engines. The fact is that the giant NK-32 from the T-160 supersonic bomber can be considered the only adequate replacement - in terms of afterburner thrust, it is even more powerful than the Zaporozhye D-18T. But then the difficulties begin.

Firstly, the NK-32 is smaller than the native Ruslan engine in profile - a diameter of 1,78 meters versus 2,33 meters. At the same time, it is much longer - immediately 7,4 meters against 5,4 meters. This is not surprising - the NK-32 was not designed to be placed in engine nacelles under the wings. This is an engine for supersonic flight, and it is designed with a low bypass ratio of only 1,4. The Zaporozhye engine has a similar parameter equal to 5,6.

And the fuel consumption of the NK-32, of course, is more than twice as much. Such voracious engines would not only make any commercial transportation impossible, but would also significantly reduce the flight range (or payload) of the new An-124. Each "Ruslan" had to load twice as much fuel on board. Despite the obvious and rather fundamental problems, the Deputy General Designer of JSC Kuznetsov A. Shatsky back in 2015 said:

“The target dates (to make the motor before 2019) are extremely tight. It is necessary to accurately "fit" into the dimensions of the D-18T engine nacelle. Despite all the difficulties, this task is quite solvable.

It was intended to use the "hot" part of the NK-32 engine to create a modification for a super-heavy aircraft, but it turned out to be not much easier than launching an engine from scratch into a series.

As a result, the revival of Ruslan was put to rest, but the NK-32 may well serve under the wings of the PAK DA project vehicles. More precisely, its modification NK-32D.

Difficult prospects


An-124 was lucky - it appeared at the very end of the Soviet Union in 1986. And for some time it was mass-produced. Even got a six-engine version of the An-224. But the fate of replacing the turboprop An-22 "Antey" was much more complicated. The machine is known under the name IL-106.

Classmate C-17 Globemaster III was supposed to appear in the middle - late 90s, and remained at the layout stage. The successor to the unborn aircraft in modern times should be the Prospective Aviation Complex of the Military Transport Aviation (PAK VTA), which will fill the empty niche of 80-ton transporters.


Il-106 project from Soviet times. Prepared to replace the An-22 "Antey". Judging by the layout, it was predicted to put turbopropfan engines NK-93 on the plane

In general, there are many difficulties and inconsistencies with the very concept of PAK VTA. There is a feeling that the military department has not yet decided what aviation needs - two aircraft, which will replace, respectively, the An-22 and An-124, or one universal one. At different times, projects of super-heavy aircraft "Elephant" and options for the creative rethinking of the Il-106 flashed by. The deeply modernized NK-32D was considered as a power plant, but so far there is no information about the work on it. The research project for the unique turbopropfan engine NK-93 has been completed. The product has amazing characteristics - the bypass ratio is 16,7, and the specific consumption is 10 percent lower than that of the Zaporozhye D-18T. The engine turned out to be interesting and, of course, requires detailed consideration on the pages of the Military Review. And also the reasons why he was out of work.


NK-93. Source: wikipedia.org








One of the variants of the PAK VTA. Please note that loading through the bow ramp has been eliminated in order to reduce the cost. The aircraft was built based on the Il-106. Source: www.naukatehnika.com

A couple of years ago, the military seems to have decided on the requirements for the PAK VTA. The aircraft will not be a direct replacement for the An-124, since the lower limit of the carrying capacity is indicated at 80 tons. The length of the cargo compartment of the aircraft must be at least 27,5 meters, width and height - 5,8 and 4,4 m, respectively. The aircraft must include helicopters, aircraft and air defense systems without prior dismantling. The fate of the Elephant project, well-known in narrow circles, which was preparing to lift up to 150 tons into the sky, is not entirely clear.


The project "Elephant" from ten steps from the An-124 "Ruslan" is indistinguishable. Source: topcor.ru

Despite all of the above, the preliminary appearance of the future transport aircraft is already ready. Fifth or sixth in a row? In May last year, a patent application was filed on behalf of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Figures published at the end of 2022.












Patent images of the future super-heavy military transport aircraft. We hope the final

There is nothing revolutionary in the images - except that the tail of the car began to look like an overseas classmate C-5 Galaxy. The project is clearly tailored for the use of the promising PD-35 engine, and this is where the main difficulties begin.

The fact is that, frankly speaking, the state is not up to a heavy engine with a thrust of more than 35 tons. Sanctions reality makes us throw all our efforts into refining the PD-8 engines and, above all, the PD-14. If this is not done, then in ten years it will be possible to fly in Russia with little. And this problem will be more important than the construction of a super-heavy "truck" mainly for the Aerospace Forces.

As a result, the timing of work on the PD-35 is shifted well to the right - in the most optimistic scenario, a prototype will be assembled next year. Add to this a couple of years to fine-tune the project. Whether it will be possible to build a new super-heavy transport aircraft in parallel with work on the PD-35, or will it be necessary to wait for the finished engines, the question is open. In any case, it is the promising high-thrust engine that is a critical element of the entire concept of the aircraft, which will replace the pair of An-124 and An-22 in the future. And he's not ready yet.


PD-35. Source: topcor.ru

A bit of optimism at the end.

The PD-35 is not being developed from scratch - it is based on the gas generator from the PD-18, which is already quite successfully rising into the air. It is going to be scaled up for a load of 35-40 tons. They are waiting for the engine not only in the VKS. The project of the Russian long-haul airliner on the Il-96 platform also requires a heavy power plant. We stock up on optimism and look forward to good News.
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  1. +18
    April 23 2023 07: 14
    An-124 replacement: reality or fantasy

    The question is certainly interesting!

    in 2022, the Russian aviation industry built 12 aircraft (10 SuperJet-100 and 2 Il-76 transport aircraft). This is a historical minimum for the last 14 years. In 2021, 16 civil aircraft of classes 1-3 (heavier than 10 tons, without small aircraft) were built, 4 more than in 2022.
    (https://dzen.ru/a/Y_srT1tZP2-ceBBa)

    The answer, given the current organization of the aircraft industry headed by "effective managers", is obvious.
    1. +21
      April 23 2023 08: 34
      The PD-35 is not being developed from scratch - it is based on the gas generator from the PD-18, which is already quite successfully rising into the air. It is going to be scaled up for a load of 35-40 tons.


      The PD-35 is just being completely developed from scratch. And the gas generator there is exactly what is completely new. Both structurally and in terms of materials. Since it is impossible to make a gas generator for 35 tons, a motor with sane performance characteristics based on gas generator technologies for 14-18 tons.



      This is definitely not a PD-35. The photo shows serial Western engines. The prototype PD-35 will be fully assembled and tested in 2024. So the photo is not a PD-35.

      As a result, the timing of work on the PD-35 is shifted well to the right - in the most optimistic scenario, a prototype will be assembled next year. Add to this a couple of years to fine-tune the project. Whether it will be possible to build a new super-heavy transport aircraft in parallel with work on the PD-35, or will it be necessary to wait for the finished engines, the question is open.


      It’s not the engines that will have to wait, but the planes on which it will be possible to put the PD-35. Therefore, they are in no hurry with the PD-35.

      The fact is that, frankly speaking, the state is not up to a heavy engine with a thrust of more than 35 tons.


      So far, there is simply no aircraft on which it can be put, except for the CR-929.

      As a result, the revival of Ruslan was put to rest, but the NK-32 may well serve under the wings of the PAK DA project vehicles. More precisely, its modification NK-32D.


      The movement for PAK DA is called Izdeliye-RF with a thrust of 23-24 tons, created on the basis of the NK-56 engine with a take-off thrust of 18 tons, which was created at one time for the Il-96-300. On tests, the NK-56 gave out thrust and 20 tons. The product-RF is, as it were, the engine of the first stage, and the movement of the second stage is NK-23D (and not NK-32D) with competitive performance characteristics and with a new gas generator for 24 tons.
      1. +9
        April 23 2023 14: 44
        This is definitely not a PD-35. The photo shows serial Western engines. The prototype PD-35 will be fully assembled and tested in 2024. So the photo is not a PD-35.

        The photo shows a Trent 900 manufactured in Singapore, photo from the original source


        https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2020-02-04/rolls-royce-underlines-singapores-significance?qt-latest_trending=1latest_trending=1
        1. -1
          April 28 2023 12: 56
          The author forgot a little about the realities and the fact that the Russian Federation is not a superpower of the USSR. We simply cannot handle such a huge number of types of BTA aircraft. Yes, and it's not reasonable.

          The Il-76MD-90A should remain the basis of the VTA, and the task of the Defense Ministry, together with the military-industrial complex, is to ensure the possibility of loading most of our armored vehicles into it, including motorized rifle and tank. It is not realistic to expand the fuselage on it, so other solutions are needed and they are. Also, in addition to increasing the production of IL-76-MD-90A, it is necessary to start developing its new modernization with the installation of new-generation PD-18 engines and an increase in the aircraft's carrying capacity.

          Another massive workhorse covering the lightest WTO niche should be the Il-112V.

          Well, the super-heavy Ruslans should be left. They need modernization with import substitution of Ukrainian equipment, including the replacement of engines with PD-35s and an increase in carrying capacity. It is necessary to try to restore the production of Ruslans ourselves, under a new name and without imported components.

          All other BTA projects should be curtailed as unnecessary.
      2. +9
        April 23 2023 19: 29
        Quote from Orange Bigg
        It’s not the engines that will have to wait, but the planes on which it will be possible to put the PD-35. Therefore, they are in no hurry with the PD-35.

        No aircraft for PD-35?
        Or is there, but is it CR-929?
        Is it okay that this is a joint development of the Russian Federation and China with 50/50 funding? And that he is as ours as the Chinese? And its design was carried out by the designers of Ilyushin Design Bureau? Together with the Chinese, but the leading role was played by our engineers.
        So what kind of Leshy does our "state" (or responsible officials) scatter with such projects ?? Or do we not need a long-haul? If, in fact, we designed it, made a composite wing and tail, we make engines ..?
        China does not want to share profits from sales in its own market?
        Yes, and good luck!! We organize production at our place on a full cycle, or in cooperation with China in terms of hardware and system saturation. They produce at home, we at home. At the same time, we can offer our wings, tails with plumage and engines for mutual cooperation.
        For the ENTIRE Chinese fleet of these aircraft! And this is tens of billions of dollars and a couple of decades of work only for deliveries to China.
        Little damn burnt?? angry
        And those that we build at home will go to our market (from 150 to 200 pieces at least) and to the external market. Today we already have enough BRICS partners and allies in the anti-American / anti-globalization coalition, a normal market is emerging.
        It was about the CR-929, as an anchor consumer for the PD-35. But that's not all. Only for this you need to turn on the Head, and in it Logic and Common Sense!
        So, we have / will soon have a powerful and highly efficient PD-35 engine for 35 - 38 - 40 t.s. traction. But the first version will have a thrust of exactly 35 t.s.
        Immediately FORGET about the IL-96 with two engines - this is junk, and in this category we are building the CR-929, which, out of a sense of healthy patriotism, can be renamed, say, IL-929 (this is so that foreigners do not confuse, but immediately recognize).
        We pass at the transport and military transport aviation.
        Firstly - no eccentricities and "designing from scratch that has no analogues". We take the fuselage of the An-124 (it was produced and serviced in Ulyanovsk), slightly lengthened, the wing is the same, respectively, and we put four PD-35s in the engine nacelles. We get a super-heavy transport aircraft almost equivalent to the An-224 "Mriya". But with four engines. We organize production in Ulyanovsk. The carrying capacity of such a truck will be about 200 - 250 tons. Such a tank will be able to take 4 tanks at once + ammo and fuel for them.
        Let's continue.
        We take the fuselage of the Il-76MD90A as a basis, expand it so that the MBT with a body kit can freely enter. We also add to the height so that air defense systems can be loaded. Those. scaling the cargo compartment. And we hang TWO PD-35s under his wings. The total thrust has become greater, the weight of the engines is somewhat less, the carrying capacity can increase to 70 tons. And this is for one MBT trip + a truck with ammo and fuel. At the same time, two PD-35s will be much more economical than the previous engines, and therefore the range will grow somewhat.
        Here you have THREE self-propelled guns for these same PD-35s. Only for the needs of Russia, such aircraft and engines will need hundreds (aircraft) and thousands (engines), and there is also an external market, which, believe me, will not be very small. And if China starts using our engines for its CR-929s, then it’s even hard for me to imagine how many of them will be needed in the next two to three decades.

        And try to prove to me at least something the opposite.

        Quote from Orange Bigg
        the movement of the second stage is NK-23D (and not NK-32D) with competitive performance characteristics and with a new gas generator for 24 tons.

        A year ago, they showed how the assembly of the first experimental NK-23D for bench tests began. This year, the tests should already be in full swing. If everything works out, then we will have an engine for the remotorization of all Ruslans and for the promising PAK YES (if it is ever born).

        From the foregoing, the conclusion is that work on the PD-35 should in no case be slowed down or postponed. Rely on your own production with full \ maximum localization of all three of the above aircraft. There is equipment and experience in the production and maintenance of the An-124 in Ulyanovsk, so its transformation into a new analogue of the Mriya will not be any particular problem. Il-76MD90A is also being built (albeit crookedly and with a creak) and also in Ulyanovsk! So a twin-engine transporter with a carrying capacity of 70 tons can also be organized in the same place in the future. If necessary, the production capacity should be expanded in order to have a single cluster of heavy and super-heavy transport aircraft industry.
        CR-929 \ Il-929 jointly developed with China to be produced either in Voronezh, or in the same Ulyanovsk (yes Yes ) , expanding for this production capacity and area . It will be safer in Ulyanovsk, but not so safe in Voronezh, and there is already a factory in urban areas. The Voronezh ASZ is best used in cooperation with the Ulyanovsk for the production of components for all of the above promising heavy aircraft.
        And to draw more and more new projects with pictures of "new aircraft", this is a goofy cut of funds for R&D and profanation / sabotage of the task of saturating the Civil, Transport and Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Federation with the aircraft necessary yesterday.
        hi
        1. 0
          April 24 2023 19: 39
          Your words are yes to our "god" in the ears.
      3. -2
        April 24 2023 17: 54
        It strikes me alone that the author attributes transport aviation to the Aerospace Forces, when it has always been subordinate to the VTA?
  2. +10
    April 23 2023 07: 18
    Zaporozhye must be taken. And not only for motors, but primarily because the Zaporozhye region is ALL the territory of the Russian Federation, including (albeit purely formally so far) the city of Zaporozhye. But the plant and design bureau will not be superfluous in Russia.
    1. +15
      April 23 2023 07: 27
      There is just a little left, to return from the USA and join Wagner. They accept US citizens into their ranks.
      1. +3
        April 23 2023 10: 24
        Quote: ASAD
        There is just a little left, to return from the USA and join Wagner. They accept US citizens into their ranks.
        But you need to hurry: they say that they have a limit of 1 million Americans! lol
      2. 0
        April 24 2023 05: 54
        Quote: ASAD
        There is just a little left, to return from the USA and join Wagner. They accept US citizens into their ranks.

        If I were 20 years younger, I would think about this topic. And over the past 20 years, health has not increased, even after 5 operations on the back. After the last operation this year, the surgeon said that until he gave the go-ahead, more than 10 pounds (which is less than 5 kg) should not be lifted. How much does an infantryman's equipment weigh today? And I can also be imprisoned in the Russian Federation for my officially prescription pills for back pain bought in a pharmacy, like that lesbian-African-American basketball player. And without them, I won’t go anywhere, because I can shoot at any moment, and then either a pill or I really want to shoot myself. So what about Wagner?
    2. Eug
      +5
      April 23 2023 08: 32
      The plant and design bureau, as I understand it, have long been Chinese and Russia, most likely, in response to China's support, will not dispute this. Secondly, for Russia there is nothing there that would not be in Russia itself.
      1. +1
        April 23 2023 16: 13
        Chinese factory, KB "Progress" - state property. It was the "blue" dream of Boguslaev, to rake "Progress" under him, especially since there is only one territory. In 2012, the process reached the finish line, in Kueva "brought" to all interested parties. But at the last moment, Sasha, the dentist, intervened.
      2. +1
        April 23 2023 17: 01
        I wonder what's left besides the sign? Technical documentation and equipment can be taken out, people can be driven to the front, and what will be left?
        1. +4
          April 23 2023 19: 19
          The plant works quite well, but mostly repairs. There are practically no new engines.
    3. +4
      April 23 2023 22: 35
      Zaporozhye must be taken. And not just for motors.

      From the existing experience, there will definitely not be anything working there.
  3. +12
    April 23 2023 07: 47
    Quote: Nagan
    But the plant and design bureau will not be superfluous in Russia.

    Will sell for scrap.
    And they will build human settlements for migrants from Muslim countries.
  4. +11
    April 23 2023 07: 48
    No engine, no plane, everything else is talk in favor of the poor.
    1. AAK
      +13
      April 23 2023 08: 05
      Before answering the question: "What BTA aircraft do we need?" it is necessary to answer the question: "for what purposes do we need VTA aircraft?", that is, first we decide on military logistics - what will we carry, how often and at what distances, we decide on the types of aircraft and the quantitative need, and only then we specify projects... first we think, then we do...
      1. Eug
        +3
        April 23 2023 08: 43
        There is such a thing - the standard NATO nomenclature, in which goods (and, accordingly, containers) are standardized in size and weight. Modernized and designed transport workers are "trying on" on it. In particular, the Chinese Y-9 (a deep modernization of the An-12 with a new wing and a 2.7 m tie-in in the fuselage, the same engines - Zaporizhzhya AI-20, but with thrust reduced to 90% to increase efficiency) can accommodate 70% of the cargo of the standard nomenclature NATO.
  5. +3
    April 23 2023 08: 05
    The presence of its own fleet of heavy and super-heavy military transport aircraft is a clear sign of a power that has ambitions for world leadership.
    - this is a clear sign of the level of the tasks facing the country and the ability to solve these tasks on its own. Everything else blah blah blah about the signs and ambitions of a power is an ideological husk. Ukraine had Mriyas. Did it make it a power with claims to leadership?
    1. +8
      April 23 2023 12: 17
      Quote: Reklastik
      Ukraine had "Mriya"

      Ukraine exploited them, or rather a single copy. But he built "Mriya" - the Union! The second unfinished copy of "Mriya" remained unmastered by Ukraine.
  6. +6
    April 23 2023 08: 15
    The D-18 engine has not been produced for a long time and apparently will no longer be produced, since competencies have been lost. The maximum that is possible is a major overhaul, with alteration to a new profile.
    1. +1
      April 23 2023 08: 31
      About 2 years ago, new D-18Ts were produced for the remotorization of An-124s owned by the Antonov transport company.
      1. +4
        April 23 2023 16: 14
        The last new, serial D - 18 was released in 2005 - 06. After that, only modernization and alteration to a new profile.
  7. +6
    April 23 2023 08: 49
    Mriya has always been AN-225, not AN-224
  8. +2
    April 23 2023 08: 56
    in fact, it is clear that nothing is clear and when it will become clear it is not clear ...
  9. +5
    April 23 2023 09: 12
    TsAGI in a wind tunnel ran in the appearance of a super-heavy transport aircraft Elephant. I don’t know, but it seems they haven’t decided on the tail unit. It will have a load capacity of 180t. Range 7000 km, speed 850 km/h, runway 3 km. Enlarged fuselage and double-deck cargo loading. Now both the military and civilians are waiting for the PD35, they even thought to put it on a long-haul passenger aircraft CR 929 jointly with the Chinese. All of our modern projects are viscous in time and the question of the project implementation time always arises and after that the industry shifts the production time to the right. The plans are Napoleonic, but the implementation is low.
  10. +8
    April 23 2023 09: 50
    Given the size of the US and Russian armies, the specific number of heavy military transport aircraft is simply incomparably greater among the Americans.

    With all the obviousness of the need for a heavy transport worker for Russia, it is impossible not to notice that, unlike the United States, we do not need to transfer the army with equipment to another continent .. Where we are at war or may be at war in the future, there are railways and other roads .. And therefore, the relevance of such a machine for the Russian Federation is significantly lower.
  11. +13
    April 23 2023 10: 00
    .... more than a threefold lag [from the United States] in the number of super-heavy aircraft cannot be considered acceptable


    Is it?

    And what about other types of aircraft?
    1) fighter-bombers of the 5th generation.
    we have conditional 10 PC ("conditionally" - since where are these 10 pieces of Su-57? Surely not prototypes? Precisely the 5th generation?), in the USA 177 F-22+ 310 F-35. I only count the US Air Force. In total, the US has about 450 F-35.

    2) 4th generation combat aircraft of all types
    RF 370 (https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/07/which-fighter-jet-is-best-for-ukraine-as-it-fights-off-russia/), US F-16 922 + F-15E 218 + F-15 266

    So, a three-fold lag behind the United States can and should be considered acceptable, based on the military budgets for 2021 (before the NWO), $ 800 billion for the United States and $ 66 billion for the Russian Federation - 12 times less.
    1. -8
      April 23 2023 12: 30
      Quote: Proctologist
      So, a threefold lag behind the United States is quite possible and should be considered acceptable, based on military budgets 2021 (before SVO) $800 billion from the United States and $66 billion from the Russian Federation - 12 times less.

      And if the military budget is unacceptable? Is the economy unacceptably weak?

      The issue of acceptability is a matter of ambition. If you consider Russia a third-rate country, then it is acceptable. And if a country that can challenge the United States and NATO as a whole - it is unacceptable.
      1. +7
        April 23 2023 21: 14
        IMHO, about "challenge the United States and all of NATO" everything has already become clear to everyone this year
  12. +3
    April 23 2023 10: 01
    In order to have any necessary Russian aircraft, it is necessary to change the control system or logistics. Revive the Ministry of Aviation. Revive state design bureaus and aircraft factories. Purge foreign shareholders from the country from the country. What good can a sociologist offer at the head of an entire industry? The richest minister in Russia and the exhaust is zero. soldier
    1. -1
      April 24 2023 00: 46
      In the 30s, almost every country had an aviation ministry, and then, like a grandmother, she whispered.
  13. +7
    April 23 2023 11: 05
    In general, judging by the article, "FANTASIES"
    Or promises?
    No, definitely fantasy. If there is nothing but drawings, then this is it.
  14. aba
    +3
    April 23 2023 11: 42
    Wait, wait and wait..........
    For most Russians, flying by plane will soon become an unrealizable dream: there is nothing and it is very expensive.
    And then there's heavy traffic. This is as a consequence of the fact that the young reformers at one time headed for what we cannot do, we will buy in the West. And partners once again we have been deceived.
    But in this shit, our officials and oligarchs are constantly advancing in the hope that one day the white people will still allow them to stand next to them.
  15. +2
    April 23 2023 11: 50
    We now “plan” as many as 4 types according to the VTA, the light Il-112V, 6 tons, not the most successful, and even hung up after the pilot crash. Then an average of 20 tons, they thought to do it together with India, it didn’t work. The medium-heavy Il-76-90, up to 60 tons, has launched small-scale production, but it is expensive and the series does not scale well. And the PAK VTA project is 100 tons +, so far on paper. More precisely in files. It is obvious that the Il-76-90 is in demand, it's not only the VTA, it's AWACS, a tanker and a firefighter, it needs to be increased, at least up to 7-8 units per year. And you definitely need a light or medium one, here the question is, to bring the 112th to mind or still forget and bring the 20-ton. And 4 types is not real. The striped ones can afford it, and they have bases all over the world ... they can't. If we can make 7-8 IL-76s and lighter 8-10s, the minimum is enough.
    1. -1
      April 29 2023 06: 24
      The production of 7-8 Il 76 aircraft per year is very small, it is a drop in the ocean, it is necessary to roll out at least one aircraft from the assembly shops every month, in total 12-15 aircraft per year, no less, then you can still make up for something.
  16. +9
    April 23 2023 11: 52
    Let's just say ... For sluggish conflicts a la fuss in / in Ukraine, in the absence of adequate opposition from the enemy and actions aimed at disrupting logistics (attacks on airfields based on the VTA, destruction of Air Force and Air Defense aircraft) - the approach is used "and so it will do." Because there is a normal railway communication on its territory. But if Russia enters a full-fledged war, then that's it, sailed. Any VTA aircraft is an artifact of an ancient highly developed civilization, the production technology of which has been lost and only individual copies can be assembled from a stock of critical components. Losses will be irreplaceable. They cannot fail to understand this at the top, the level of information there does not allow one to be "not in the know." This means that with so many years of a well-known problem - the lack of engines and the possibility of their production, the actions of those responsible can be interpreted unambiguously - betrayal.
  17. -2
    April 23 2023 12: 05
    All these are fantasies, the maximum that the aircraft industry is capable of is to organize the mass production of Tu204/214 and Il96. That's all. All other projects in aviation must be closed., Until the start of mass production of these types ...
  18. +2
    April 23 2023 12: 13
    If you look soberly towards transport workers, then I would go this way:
    1. With the full launch of the Il76 (new), I would start modernizing the fuselage (following the example of the Chinese Y20) ... to avoid a purely airborne scheme.
    2. Then, if evolutionarily), an elongated fuselage, a new wing and a nk32 turbojet engine.
    3. Attracting conventional transport aircraft of the Il96-400 type to use in the army ... and restructuring the palletizing of goods under standard EuroPallets ....
    4 then 2pcs x pd35 and a new wing ..
    4 then a full-fledged new - Maria with 4pcs xpd35.


    But, taking into account the size of the Russian Federation, we need to develop heavy transport aviation on SRF liners. This is both more economical and faster, given the standardization of pallets. We have standardized both railway and ship transport for them.
    1. 0
      April 24 2023 16: 02
      but just take the an-124 as a basis does not roll?
      1. +1
        19 June 2023 14: 13
        Do we have TRD? By 25tn-39tn of thrust? ..............
        1. 0
          7 December 2023 11: 45
          Is there a turbojet for the Elephant? What's the question?
  19. -2
    April 23 2023 12: 27
    if AN-124s are needed for the quick transfer of large equipment (air defense / OTRK launchers), then it was possible to put PS-90 twins on internal pylons and single engines on external ones. 6 PS-90s will give the same thrust as 4 D-18Ts with the same total total engine weight. The internal propulsion pylon clearly needs to be strengthened.
    This is if the planes are really needed yesterday. If they are not needed, then let them say that there will be no war, and after 2035 we will do everything slowly MAYBE, BUT THIS IS NOT EXACT
    1. +2
      April 23 2023 16: 16
      Which only options were not offered - this is a complete alteration of the planes and the center section. It's easier to make a new plane.
  20. 0
    April 23 2023 12: 34
    I don’t understand what are the problems with using the NK-32 developments when creating a transport aircraft engine? The length and weight are reduced by dismantling the supersonic nozzle with afterburner. High fuel consumption is corrected by increasing the bypass ratio. At the same time, the operating speed is reduced and traction is increased, that is, the engine is optimized in exactly the direction that needs to be proved.

    The main and most time-consuming part of the engine is the combustion chamber module with the turbine. But today it already exists, and in a finished and well-established form. The rest can be added and debugged in a relatively short time. In any case, it will be much easier than creating the entire structure from scratch (as is planned for the PD-35).
    1. +1
      April 23 2023 19: 22
      If the compressor was designed for both supersonic and subsonic operation, then it will no longer be optimal for a subsonic transporter. Not to mention the fact that the afterburner will also need to be put somewhere.
      1. +2
        April 24 2023 21: 30
        Quote: TermNachTER
        If the compressor was designed for both supersonic and subsonic operation, then it will no longer be optimal for a subsonic transporter. Not to mention the fact that the afterburner will also need to be put somewhere.

        Read the reviewed text carefully. It is written there that only the most difficult part is taken from the NK-32 - a gas generator with a turbine. Everything else, including the compressor, is being developed with the new application in mind. The afterburner is dismantled along with the supersonic nozzle (this also has to be repeated). The main point of my comment is not that the NK-32 can supposedly be installed directly on the transporter, but that on the basis of the NK-32 it is possible to develop a new engine using a ready-made gas generator and turbine from the NK-32, and it will be much easier than to develop the PD-35 from scratch.
  21. 0
    April 23 2023 15: 33
    The article is wonderful! Respect to the author! But unfortunately, not without a fly in the ointment, they gathered in the near future to release more than a couple of thousand only civilian aircraft ....... then everyone knows everyone ......
  22. +1
    April 23 2023 17: 47
    It was from super light An 2-An 14
    An 26
    An 8
    An 12
    IL 76
    DP 22
    and heavyweight AN 124
    became the remnants
    An 26 we finish the resource
    An 12 we finish the resource
    IL 76 and modifications in the series
    Well, the heavy part of the An 124 is finishing off the engine resource and then what.
    Conclusion, substitutes An 26, An 12, An 124 are needed. Time does not endure, we need it right today.
  23. 0
    April 23 2023 20: 10
    width and height - 5,8 and 4,4 m, respectively
    Will the coalition fit in (I saw it live - a huge barn)?
  24. Aag
    0
    April 23 2023 21: 08
    Lord, gentlemen!
    Sorry - I'm not an aviator - I'm looking from my branch: they lied, - they didn't lie, but we were taught (at the Higher Educational Institution of the Strategic Missile Forces) that ... in addition to other important tasks of the military aviation aviation is (then, - in the future ... 1985- 1988) transfer of ICBM PGRK - in those days "Pioneer", later - "Poplar".).
    1. Aag
      0
      April 23 2023 21: 48
      Quote: AAG
      Lord, gentlemen!
      Sorry - I'm not an aviator - I'm looking from my branch: they lied, - they didn't lie, but we were taught (at the Higher Educational Institution of the Strategic Missile Forces) that ... in addition to other important tasks of the military aviation aviation is (then, - in the future ... 1985- 1988) transfer of ICBM PGRK - in those days "Pioneer", later - "Poplar".).

      See other open sources for masses, dimensions ... Yes, sometimes it is possible to separate the launcher and the rocket itself (1/3 by mass of the gubo) ....
  25. +4
    April 23 2023 22: 45
    Do we bashfully prefer not to look towards China? And the truth is that they created copies of the An-2, An-24, An-12, and the heavy transporter Y-20.
    What we need now and the creation of which we have successfully failed.
  26. -2
    April 24 2023 02: 03
    Why can't the D-18T be produced in Russia? Is there really no documentation? Corrupt neighbors could help.
    1. +1
      April 24 2023 15: 59
      of course there is documentation, but it seems to me that making a new engine will not be much more expensive, but more promising.
  27. +2
    April 24 2023 08: 05
    And the PAK VTA repeats the fate of many of our civil aviation aircraft, when the defective managers of the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the USC said through their lips that we don’t need domestic engines and avionics, they say, we’ll buy everything in the West. So we bought it, now we are feverishly trying to do something. But at the same time, the same defective managers are slowing everything down, hoping that they will stir up an agreement in the NWO, and they will again go to the West to sign something there.
    1. -2
      April 24 2023 19: 13
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      And the PAK VTA repeats the fate of many of our civil aviation aircraft, when the defective managers of the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the USC said through their lips that we don’t need domestic engines and avionics, they say, we’ll buy everything in the West. So we bought it, now we are feverishly trying to do something. But at the same time, the same defective managers are slowing everything down, hoping that they will stir up an agreement in the NWO, and they will again go to the West to sign something there.

      And you want to fight forever, sooner or later you will have to end it and
      negotiate somehow. You can't live in isolation forever.
  28. -2
    April 24 2023 10: 50
    It is strange that the production of Ruslans was abandoned. The wing will have to be redone, but there is a spent fuselage with a nose ramp. If Mriya with 6 engines, then why not make Ruslan with 6 PS-90 class engines.
    1. +1
      April 24 2023 15: 57
      it was necessary to modernize Ruslan and release it under a different name. but then less money would be cut. and the plane would be ready quickly.
    2. +1
      April 25 2023 19: 01
      Quote: Pavel57
      If Mriya with 6 engines, then why not make Ruslan with 6 PS-90 class engines.

      Or boost the PS-90 to 18 tons and reduce the fuselage length and maximum load to 90-100 tons. There would be an intermediate plane on the conveyor
      1. +1
        April 28 2023 22: 15
        You do not understand. Ruslan has no rights. Yes, and redoing a wing is like redesigning half an airplane. That is why no one will make a "twin-engine IL96"
  29. -1
    April 24 2023 15: 54
    this project is crap. Instead of deeply modernizing the An-124, naming it differently, he stupidly copied the Amer Galaxy.

    tin ... and how much money it will suck out is hard to imagine! Perhaps that is why they chose a new project. )
  30. 0
    April 24 2023 17: 34
    I don’t know why this drama, now everyone is thinking about how future wars will develop, perhaps equipment will become unmanned, decrease in size, come up with alternative transport for delivery and such aircraft will not be needed, for example, the Americans are not going to release something to replace their Galaxy, the same dimensions at the end of the service life.
  31. 0
    April 24 2023 19: 33
    The D-18T engine has a thrust of 23.43 tons, PD-35 35-40 tons, i.e. won't it replace two engines? How is it planned for Ruslan.
  32. 0
    April 24 2023 19: 49


    While marveling at the imagination of designers! We hope for a bright future
    1. +1
      April 28 2023 22: 13
      In my youth, I also drew airplanes on school textbooks ...
  33. -1
    April 24 2023 22: 09
    Fuel consumption for NK-32 is 0,72 kg / (kgf h), for D-18T - 0,55 kg / (kgf h). That. NK-32 is inferior in efficiency - approx. 30%, not double. But, they are going to put a new modification on our new aircraft, NK-32D, which are much more economical, so that the range of our aircraft will not suffer. Here about the new modifications of the NK-32:
    [/ Quote] "The newly developed compressor and turbine blades, together with improved cooling, have increased the fuel efficiency of a bypass turbojet engine capable of operating in afterburner mode," the publication says.

    In November, in The Drive, the new serial NK-32-02 engines for the Tu-160M ​​were recognized as the world's most powerful power units for combat aircraft. The publication noted that the NK-32-02 develops over 55 pounds of thrust at full afterburner. According to The Drive, this engine will increase the range of the Tu-000M ​​by a thousand kilometers. “The lack of engines was a serious obstacle to Moscow's ambitious plans to resume production of the Tu-160, which was originally stopped in 160,” the publication recalled. [quote]
  34. +1
    April 25 2023 08: 08
    Everything is cleared. What new engines and aircraft. Funny. Well, about ambitions for world leadership, this is generally a joke for Petrosyan
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  35. +1
    April 26 2023 13: 48
    PACKS, PACKS, PACKS ... like cherubs, my life.
    Centerum censo Washingtonium delendam esse
  36. +2
    April 27 2023 19: 42
    Only with the presence of PD-35 will a modern VDTA appear.
  37. +2
    April 28 2023 22: 09
    There are many inaccuracies about American aircraft. Most C5s are in long-term storage and are not used. Only C5M fly, of which they have about 20. This is understandable, because. the plane was created in the 60s and there is not much work for it now.
    As for the C17, which replaced the C141 in their lineup, both of them calmly fly over the Atlantic without refueling.
  38. 0
    April 29 2023 11: 14
    Quote: AC130 Ganship
    You do not understand. Ruslan has no rights. Yes, and redoing a wing is like redesigning half an airplane. That is why no one will make a "twin-engine IL96"

    When the production of the IL-76 was launched in Ulyanovsk, the wing was redesigned.
  39. +2
    April 30 2023 07: 13
    PD - 18 rises into the air? Where and when? Author, are you confused with PD-14?
    Mriya, which is 225, not 224.
    Photo of foreign engines signed PD-35.
    What kind of frivolous errors in the article? Invite an editor here!
  40. +1
    2 May 2023 02: 07
    For me, the most workable project of a heavy transport aircraft for the VTA today is the Il-96-500T. There are engines for it, most of the control systems, the base of the airframe, components from the Il-96 and Il-76. At the same time, it is expected to carry 80 tons per 4500 km, 60 tons per 6000 km emnip., MBT will fit in terms of weight and dimensions.
    Yes, to further design and test, but this is an understandable work from understandable components, and not drawing sketches for a non-existent engine.
  41. 0
    9 June 2023 19: 19
    That's when the salaries of the workers will be 400k, then the planes will be. Then education will make sense, and the work will be loved and the plan will be at any cost without loss of quality. In the meantime, we will build planes naked and with enthusiasm, and we will fly in the same way. The state has money, but not about our honor. it is better to invest them in foreign banks, and reduce workers and hire guests with brooms from neighboring countries. so good luck to Volodya Trynkin.
    1. 0
      14 July 2023 09: 30
      By definition, factory workers cannot have salaries of 400K - there is simply no such labor productivity. Unfortunately... But you can dream, but it is unlikely to help in practical terms.
  42. +1
    13 July 2023 07: 36
    IL-112 was not pulled out, but then they dreamed about such a monster.
  43. +1
    14 July 2023 08: 55
    Personal opinion based on experience.
    1. The chassis must be made of a bicycle type. There will be no problems with side shaking on landing.
    2. 4 engines of 18 tons will be enough to complete the tasks.
    3. If in a critical situation on the IL-76 it was quite acceptable to take off with a weight of 220-225 tons on 4 engines of 12 tons, then from 4 to 18 this will already be a working moment.
    4. It is necessary to focus on one aircraft, and not on two for different weights. To raise what we can now and while we can really. We have been living in fantasies since the beginning of the 90s, it's time to sink to the ground.
  44. +1
    14 July 2023 08: 59
    Not AN-224, but AN-225. They were built 2, one flew off for more than 30 years in the interests of the 404th and burned down in Gostomel at the end of February 2022. The second, more than 50% ready, stood, waiting for completion, for more than 30 years. And now it won't fit. These are the largest aircraft in the history of mankind. Hardly anyone can repeat it. As for us, the situation is simple, we need to increase the production of 60-ton Il-76MD-90A. At least up to 10-12 pieces per year, this is a transporter, and AWACS, and a heavy firefighter, and for landing. But a heavier car should be made in the dimension of 120 tons under 4 PD-35s, but this is the prospect of the 30s.