Even older than the “sixty-two: T-54 tanks drove into the special operation zone

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Even older than the “sixty-two: T-54 tanks drove into the special operation zone

Everything related to Russian armored vehicles in the zone of a special military operation in Ukraine has become a really burning topic. Many people remember the intensity with which there were disputes about the commissioning of tanks T-62M and their modified variants. However, they are still not going to subside, however, it seems that the focus will soon completely shift to the older brothers of these machines.

Yes, we are talking about the T-54/55. Their redeployment was noticed relatively recently - the network is full of photographs of one or, perhaps, several echelons with these tanks moving somewhere in the open spaces of our country. Moreover, there were many explanations for this phenomenon, up to the most naive, that they were going to dismantle them for other cars.



But the casket just opened: their path-path brought them a little further than the factory buildings, where the tanks are dismantled not by repairmen, but by shells that have pierced the armor.

A few words about the tank in Zaporozhye


The mood of our - domestic - general public is quite understandable, therefore, opinions about the appearance of these old machines at the front are very likely to be extremely polar to each other. However, conclusions, no matter how obvious they may seem, are too early to draw - even many Western resources are cautious in this regard.

All that is available at the moment is one photo and video (screenshot) from the telegram channels, which depict the same T-54. Therefore, it is premature to talk about how many and, most importantly, in what capacity these tanks arrived in the Zaporozhye region.


The latter, that is, about quality, is especially important in the sense that over the past months there has actually been a frightening amount of reasoning and even statements that old tanks are not tanks at all, but self-propelled guns, and they are used exclusively for firing from closed positions, and do not come into contact with the enemy at all. Only one thing can be said here: they both attack and participate in active defense. Therefore, it is not worth belittling the feat of our tankers, shedding blood and working on old and less protected vehicles.

Neither the range of fire, nor the guidance devices from the tank will make a self-propelled gun under any circumstances, therefore, all episodes of such use of vehicles are forced measures when there is nothing else at hand, and in conditions of positional "butting". Given the rigidity in terms of the nomenclature of equipment in the troops, no one with a frankly crazy idea in the style of "let's make artillery divisions from tanks - the old ones" will come forward.

So the T-54/55, if they really go to the front in some commercial quantity, with a high degree of probability they will be used primarily as tanks, and then everything else. Let alone on the defensive.

The tank is really old


Like it or not, it is impossible to argue with the statement that the T-54 is a really old tank. Yes, over the years of production, this machine has undergone a number of changes and was produced in several modifications - the photographs from the Zaporozhye region show the T-54B, which was put into service in 1956. However, formally, this tank, as a platform without being tied to upgrades, still managed to catch Stalin.

At the same time, it is likely that T-55s will also appear in the zone of a special military operation, which differ significantly from their predecessors in terms of engine, anti-nuclear protection, internal equipment, machine guns, and so on. However, they have practically no radical differences in combat properties, so it’s easier in our case to combine them and talk about two at once. Especially about their armor and weapons, which are in many ways the determining factors - other aspects have already been touched upon here more than once.

First of all, of course, we need to touch on the topic of booking the T-54/55, which plays one of the primary roles in any conflict, and even more so in a special military operation.

Tank T-54B
Tank T-54B

And by today's standards, it's practically non-existent.

Of course, no combined armor - exclusively homogeneous steel. Its maximum thickness in the frontal part of the hull is at the level of 100 millimeters (or up to 200 mm, taking into account the angle of inclination of the armor plates). As for other projections of the hull, the thickness of the steel mass in the sides varies from 60 to 80 mm, and in the stern - up to 45 mm.

The turret, as the most exposed part of the tank, has similar indicators in the frontal part - up to 200 mm, as well as up to 160 mm of steel in the side parts and up to 60-65 mm in the stern.

In those days when the T-54/55 tanks were still relevant, such armor was quite enough, if not from the entire spectrum of threats, then from most of them, for sure. But in this case, all that it can reliably protect against is: bullets of all calibers, small-caliber artillery shells and fragments. So all tank shells, missile systems and even anti-tank grenade launchers available in the Armed Forces of Ukraine pose a serious danger to the vehicle. Therefore, it is highly undesirable to use a tank for direct combat with an enemy who has heavy anti-tank weapons available.

Tank T-54 in the cut. You can observe the thickness of the reservation
Tank T-54 in the cut. You can observe the thickness of the reservation

There are also questions about the armament of the vehicle, namely its main caliber in the face of the 100-mm rifled gun D-10T2S. However, what questions can there be for a gun, the basic version of which was created during the Great Patriotic War ...

Yes, the gun has two-plane stabilization, so the tank can also hit targets on the move, although the result is formally 50 to 50. And the barrel, again, is rifled, so at long ranges the accuracy will be higher than that of smooth-bore guns, although similar the comparisons themselves are terrible - we have come, we are comparing those characteristics that we had not really thought about before.

But only high-explosive fragmentation shells can demonstrate impressive power: under two kilograms of explosives in combination with a thick-walled steel case, they can show Kuz'kin's mother not only to light armored vehicles, but also to enemy infantry. Of course, not with the same effect as the 125 mm OFS, but still.

But with the armor-piercing part of the ammunition, things are not very good.

Of the most "fresh" - adopted by the end of the seventies - in the ammunition load of the T-54/55 series tanks, if we take the domestic nomenclature, you can only find feathered armor-piercing sub-caliber shells 3BM25 "Isomer" with a tungsten core, as well as two variations of cumulative shells - 3BK17 and 3BK17M.

Feathered armor-piercing projectile 3BM25 "Isomer" for 100-mm rifled gun T-54/55
Feathered armor-piercing projectile 3BM25 "Isomer" for 100-mm rifled gun T-54/55

A sub-caliber projectile with this interesting name pierced a plate of armored steel 150 mm thick at an angle of 60 degrees from the vertical (300 mm of reduced armor) from a distance of two kilometers. But his cumulative counterparts hit armor with a thickness of 3-4 calibers, respectively.

On the defeat of what is this enough in the current conditions?

Basically only for light equipment, including infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, both Soviet and Western-style, as well as French-made wheeled "tanks". But if we talk about tanks without quotes, then the most vulnerable to 100-mm guns can only be the Slovenian M-55S transferred to Ukraine, while the rest can be hit only in weakened projections - sides and stern.

However, you need to understand that a gun and shells are far from all the important components for hitting targets. Here, the sighting system of the tank is of no less importance, which, even for the T-54B, even for the T-55, leaves much to be desired for the present time.

These machines do not have any means of automating the preparation of a shot, therefore, one cannot count on such “benefits” of civilization as a ballistic computer, a laser rangefinder, and even more so an automatic target tracking machine.

All that the gunner has at his disposal is an optical articulated sight of a telescopic design, which allows firing from a cannon and a machine gun coaxial with it in daylight conditions. And in most cases, due to the skills developed to determine the lead and range to the target, although there are corresponding scales and marks on the optics.

For night conditions, there is no thermal imager - only a sight on an electron-optical converter (EOP) with active illumination from an infrared searchlight "Luna" (L-2) mounted on the right "cheekbone" of the tower and kinematically connected to the gun. Moreover, the range of detection and identification of targets in this mode, in fact, does not exceed one kilometer.

The main production version of the T-55. Finnish army vehicle
The main production version of the T-55. Finnish army vehicle

The tank commander has a similar situation: either an optical observation and target designation device with its replacement with a TKN-1 night light at night with the same image intensifier tube and illumination from his searchlight, or, depending on the modification of the vehicle, a combined day / night device TKN-3. So these vehicles are not worthy of the title of the most "sharp-sighted" tank, from the word at all. And the lack of any means of automating the preparation of a shot seriously limits the firing capabilities of the T-54/55.

Not fit at all?


What was said about the T-54 / 55 in the context of their armor, armament and sighting system is not ridicule in the style of “brought the old man to the front” and not belittling the combat qualities of those units in which these tanks will enter, if they arrive at all .

Everything written is just a statement of facts that will have to be reckoned with in the event of their combat use, building the appropriate tactics of use. And warning questions about what were the T-55M and its variations, which had an automatic fire control system, better protection through the use of "reactive armor" or armor plates like the T-62M, as well as other enhanced characteristics.

Tank T-55AM. One can see armor plates on the forehead of the turret and hull of the T-62M type, as well as the body of the laser rangefinder transceiver above the gun, and so on.
Tank T-55AM. One can see armor plates on the forehead of the turret and hull of the T-62M type, as well as the body of the laser rangefinder transceiver above the gun, and so on.

They were, yes, it seems, swam. Thanks to the policy of the past Minister of Defense, a lot of tanks were scrapped, including the now-mentioned modernized T-55s. Now these machines, which can be sent to the front without the deepest repair and refinement, simply by reopening, are not. Otherwise, such junk in the form of the T-54B and, possibly, the T-55 would not have been dragged from the storage bases. And the capacities of factories that could modernize these tanks are simply not enough - everyone is already loaded to capacity.

But will they really fight on the T-54/55, throwing them into an attack on a heavily armed enemy?

In our world, of course, anything can happen. But there are no objective prerequisites for this yet: in terms of combat capabilities, these tanks cannot even be compared with non-modernized T-62Ms. Not to mention those that have undergone revision - there, in the end, neither sights, nor guns with armor will allow you to fully fight.

In addition, we do not have a full-scale production of complete rounds (shells and charges) for tank 100-mm rifled guns. So all the “fifty-fours” and “fifty-fives” can be content with for now is the remaining ammunition in storage in warehouses, including naval ones, which tend to run out. Therefore, no one is clearly going to fill up all the fronts with these old men.

However, adding up a few introductory ones - Zaporozhye, the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and tanks - you can guess that the T-54/55 will be used in defense on this sector of the front. Of course, most likely, no one will bury them up the tower, although what just happens on the fronts of any hostilities. But the abundance of trenches for armored vehicles (according to open data) in echeloned defense lines very rudely and “boldly” hints that cars can still be quite active and qualitatively strengthen the defended areas, firing from these positions at the enemy and changing them in a timely manner.

In short, an ageless classic, within which the old T-54/55s fit perfectly and can hit enemy infantry and even light armored vehicles on the head with direct fire or within sight - an extra cannon barrel at a conditional strong point, and even covered with armor, always warms the soul. But for now, these are only guesses and not the ultimate truth - in general, as they say, we will see.
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    1. +78
      April 20 2023 06: 27
      Quote: certero
      in one word - scribe.

      These are those 72% of new technology! am
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      2. +72
        April 20 2023 07: 45
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        These are those 72% of new technology!

        Taking into account the arrival of fresh T-54 (55), the percentage of updated equipment in the troops will be clearly higher!

        They considered that fighting on the Armata is redundant and wrong, but on the T-54 just right!

        And the one who blamed the ancestors for the worthless galoshes did not make his own campaign.
        1. +8
          April 20 2023 11: 02
          Well, since such a booze has gone ... It's just interesting to discuss. No offense. How close did you personally see the T90M? Well, or at least T72B3? I personally only on TV.
          1. +5
            April 20 2023 11: 41
            Quote from: lukash66
            No offense. How close did you personally see the T90M? Well, or at least T72B3? I personally only on TV.

            You probably can’t see the T-90m from the sofa. And at the front, the tank is actively working. They take losses, they get hurt.

            1. +4
              April 20 2023 11: 57
              I meant something completely different. Comrade is very much killed, that there is nothing, acre T54 / 55, T62 and T72 of the first series. I asked about whether he personally ran at least 100 meters on the T90 at the training ground, or like that, at least on the sofa?))) This is me about that song that I took the storekeeper who served in the 70/80s at the T72, stuck it in 90M, and rushed over bumps to Kueva ..)))) No, well, it’s clear that hands remember and you won’t drink away the skill. But nonetheless.)))
              1. 0
                April 20 2023 12: 02
                Quote from: lukash66
                I meant something completely different.

                Ok, I misunderstood you. sorry hi .
                1. +1
                  April 22 2023 15: 16
                  Naturally, you should not use this technique as a "tank".
                  Any grenade launcher will calm her down.
                  But as artillery - just right. The crew is protected from bullets, mobility (and patency) is high. Equip with new radios, and you can use it.
                  Hefig in warehouses to occupy a place.
                  1. +1
                    April 26 2023 15: 40
                    And we will get a situation like during the Great Patriotic War with the Su-76.
                    Is there some kind of fluff? Eat!
                    Is there an armor type? Eat!
                    So go ahead with armor and fire!!

                    And we get smoked boxes ....
              2. +17
                April 21 2023 09: 32
                Unfortunately, all this and the T-54/55 and T-62 and the artillery of the Second World War at the front are direct consequences of the era of Yeltsinism-Putinism.
                If for at least the last 8 years our President had really been preparing for the SVO, then in our army there would be personnel regiments armed with T-14 Armata and T-90M, and the T-72 and T-80 of the latest upgrades would go not to storage bases, but to boxes of newly created cadre units, staffed by officers and conducting regular gatherings of reservists. Plus, tanks in storage could undergo planned modernization and be placed not in open areas, but in inexpensive boxes built for this, or at least under sheds. Shell factories would not be sold out, but would remain in state ownership in a mothballed state, producing a minimum of products in peacetime.
                Under such conditions, after the start of the SVO, our army could mobilize, in which all the mobilized would arrive not in the fields, but in their units and in their places where they were training, reactivated their equipment and could advance to perform tasks within a week. And shell factories would start working in three shifts within a week after the start of the SVO, completely closing the problem of shell supplies. Such a simple system would eliminate the use of rarities like the T-62 and even more so the T-54/55.
                1. +4
                  April 21 2023 11: 26
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  Unfortunately, all this and the T-54/55 and T-62 and the artillery of the Second World War at the front are direct consequences of the era of Yeltsinism-Putinism.

                  Why now all these "would"? If I WOULD, I WOULD, COULD ... This is all from the series - "If my grandmother had a penis ..." History, as you know, does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. We need to think about how to act now with the means that are available.
                  1. +3
                    April 22 2023 13: 11
                    We need to think about how to act now with the means that are available.

                    Well, here’s the counteroffensive, if it certainly takes place and shows what our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are capable of, or vice versa.
                  2. +7
                    April 23 2023 04: 42
                    Should we think? That is, all the years it was "don't meddle, it's none of your business", and now "we should think"? Well, can at least draw conclusions, and no longer choose profs who are not suitable?
                    1. +4
                      April 24 2023 17: 35
                      They have everything prepared. They will say - "do not rock the boat", "they do not change horses at the crossing", etc. Drive this pack! But "according to the law" it seems impossible, no matter how you vote, it will be "for them" either 99% or 146%. crying
                      It looks like we will soon be removing tanks from the pedestals! what hi
                      1. +1
                        April 29 2023 08: 10
                        Back in 91, the bourgeoisie prescribed that, according to the law, they could not be removed! At least vote-to change one world-eater to another, this is the maximum achievement of the democracies of the world and Russia in particular. And so it turns out that 99,9999% of the Proletariat participate on both sides of the conflict. GAS and oil through Ukraine goes well - apparently databases in areas where big Uncles make money are not kept. A strange war, the blessed have already begun to compare it with the Second World War, but the difference is fundamental
                2. 0
                  April 21 2023 20: 17
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  Plus, tanks in storage could undergo planned modernization and be placed not in open areas, but in inexpensive boxes built for this, or at least under sheds.


                  With regard to stored old armor, building boxes would be a serious economic mistake (this is only justified for very expensive and high-quality aircraft and air defense systems). It is more profitable to invest all the money in modernization - otherwise it will turn out just well to keep an absolutely useless car. Well, in the terms of reference for design and modernization, requirements for good preservation during long-term storage in the open should be initially provided.
                  1. 0
                    April 26 2023 21: 26
                    Of course, it is more profitable to build a shopping and entertainment center instead of boxes ...
                    1. +1
                      April 29 2023 08: 14
                      Well, not only! But what about Yachts, real estate over the hill, increase Moscow and drag another 20 million there. My paranoia even sometimes suggests that it was not for nothing that 99% of the population was placed in 10 cities, reducing the number of targets for MRNA
                3. +1
                  April 29 2023 07: 49
                  The Supreme Anti-Fascist is not the culprit! Evil and thieving boyars, together with vile Satanists from Europe and America, led him to skid, (as he himself admitted, this is his quote, and not mine at all). I remember when T-62s went to the NVO zone, the local blessed ones noted the wisdom of the chiefs - they say sensibly, competently, they mobilized tankers who served on their shirts - less time for training - even immediately into battle. Now the T-54 is giving them back home: Putin has increased the retirement age, knowing that in a few years there will be a need for tankers who served urgently on the T-54 for just 60-70 years. And so, apparently, it’s expensive for the Bourgeois to rivet Almaty
                4. 0
                  10 May 2023 04: 41
                  I have one question, we have more than 15 thousand t64, t72, t80 in warehouses, we even have t90, but they send t55, there is an option that the fleet is being updated, and there is some strategic thought in this, but on the other hand, the crews from storage are not turn out to scoop, and the production of new ones is at least 20 years old
          2. +1
            April 21 2023 22: 00
            to the 72b3 battalion, until a part was transferred, which is interesting for chemists.
        2. +52
          April 20 2023 13: 05
          As a member of the NWO, I will tell you this - we will be happy with such equipment, we will find where to attach it. But we will not be happy at all if a dozen of such enemy vehicles are sent to the VOP. They will fly a couple of kilometers quickly, with one Cornet, you won’t fight back. RPG is highly dependent on the training of fighters and their courage. With training in the 126th brigade, so-so. Well, you need to understand that an attack is not a stealth in a quiet one - first, artillery works on us, and then advancing from all trunks, you can’t raise your head. Besides, why keep them in warehouses, if not for use? Or let them rust for another 50 years, then someday we will fight on them?
          1. +10
            April 20 2023 13: 19
            As soon as a tank appears, everything flies over it, how could you not know. T-54/55 suicide bombers.
            1. +31
              April 20 2023 15: 20
              Everything that IS flies. In the Krivoy Rog direction, a tank sometimes came out at us, a distance of about two kilometers. We never burned it, but we have one 200, two 300 and minus Fagot. Many did not leave the dugouts out of fright. And then there were no mobs. Now imagine a company of tanks on the attack.
              1. +4
                April 20 2023 16: 26
                Quote: URAL72
                As a member of the NWO, I will tell you this - we will be happy with such equipment, we will find where to attach it. But we will not be happy at all if a dozen of such enemy vehicles are sent to the VOP. They will fly a couple of kilometers quickly, with one Cornet, you won’t fight back. RPG is highly dependent on the training of fighters and their courage. With training in the 126th brigade, so-so. Well, you need to understand that an attack is not a stealth in a quiet one - first, artillery works on us, and then advancing from all trunks, you can’t raise your head. Besides, why keep them in warehouses, if not for use? Or let them rust for another 50 years, then someday we will fight on them?

                Support!
              2. +7
                April 20 2023 16: 43
                A company of blind tanks with surveillance systems and walkie-talkies of the model of almost the Second World War ... Well, so-so.
                1. +10
                  April 21 2023 16: 11
                  Better a bad tank than none. Those. it is better to have two t-90 + t-54 tanks than one t-90. You can use it in different ways - distribute it to infantry, for example, to support platoon strongholds. It can be paired with the T-90 as a support tank.
                  PS. So it’s understandable that it’s better to be healthy and rich and fight on armats. But as a support vehicle, the T-54 is in every way more powerful and stable than an infantry fighting vehicle or an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle. And definitely better than nothing.
                  1. 0
                    April 28 2023 18: 03
                    So you can only talk about their headquarters
                    Will you personally sit in the T-54 yourself?
              3. -14
                April 20 2023 18: 05
                Can you then throw a t-34 and a couple of ATGMs into the load? Well, to be happy. Yes, and two dozen three-rulers. Why do you need something else.
                1. +9
                  April 21 2023 10: 25
                  Don't be silly about this.
                2. +1
                  April 29 2023 07: 53
                  Well, what if one of the bosses enters this patriotic swamp? So how do you read a comment?
            2. +4
              April 20 2023 23: 24
              Into the ground like a bunker. on the defensive line. Come in handy. In any case, cut off the infantry with fragmentation ...
            3. +1
              April 26 2023 21: 30
              As the 1973 war in the Middle East showed.
          2. +11
            April 20 2023 13: 26
            That you upset me with your post, I thought for half a year that the training of personnel was already at its best since mobilization, especially if you add veterans and combat officers, and here you say that everything is bad .... Commanders who are not interested in combat capability of the unit??!!
            1. -11
              April 20 2023 18: 12
              Why do you think you don’t hear about the exploits of mobs? Where are those 300 thousand mobilized? So they sit in the barracks so that nothing happens. All this news about new weapons is fake. Soldiers on the front line are happy with the extra zinc of ammunition. Have you noticed that for a month now they have not written about the mass use of missiles, drones, Iskanders by us? Maybe it's time to turn on the brains, and not listen to Skabeev?
            2. +12
              April 20 2023 18: 29
              Among the mobilized officers, most of the slobs and drunkards are not regular officers, but civilian, former jackets who received the rank in their deep youth of students of a culinary college and since then have only degraded morally and professionally. Therefore, one should not expect any tactical delights such as active defense; there is more sense from sergeants who served urgently in the SA. At least sentries were put up and conducted around-the-clock surveillance of the enemy would already be a good idea. And since children, they rely on someone for something. Most of the mobs will arrange a reckless drape precisely because of these bums in uniform. The main problem is the lack of a combat-ready reserve of commanders; for 8 years of the ATO, a sufficient number of qualified commanders have been trained at the NATO training grounds and courses. We still can't beat them all.
              1. +20
                April 21 2023 19: 53
                Among the mobilized officers, most of the slobs and drunkards, these are not regular officers, but civilian, former jackets who received the rank in their deep youth

                Khe-khe ... as I understand it, this is a personnel writer? the real one, right? Not like these conscripts \ jackets \ mobiles, huh?

                But my (and not only mine) observations say quite the opposite. It's among staffing still it is necessary to look for not drunkards and not razdolbaev. The current personnel are those who went to military schools for benefits and cheap mortgages. Although at the same time they proudly declare on holidays, wearing uniforms with trinkets, that "there is such a profession - to defend the Motherland!" Yeah. Giving the enemy not even the T-62 (on which the "mobiles" will go into battle when you, the personnel, miss modern weapons), but the intact T-90s.

                It is a personnel, having arrived in their unit after school, the first thing they ask is: where can I get vodka here. (For comparison: the "jackets" who arrived in my unit asked the first question: where is the library?)

                The "professionalism" of personnel comes down to skillful showing off in front of higher authorities. I won’t remind you of the numerous schemes with which the authorities are brainwashed, depicting how wonderful everything is (so as not to lose benefits, titles, etc.) And in peacetime it rolls. The motherland, watching the festive parades, thinks that it is under reliable protection, but as it turns out later, it's just... personnel!

                Well, nonsense about "degraded morally and professionally".... A civilian simply will not receive money if he is not a good specialist - no employer needs such a civilian. A civilian will simply be thrown out of a commercial company if the quality of work is low, because they know how to count money. to lick the authorities and show off at checks and exercises to arrange - that's it, the mission is completed.
                The soldier (and officer) is sleeping - the service is on. Is that familiar? That says it all about you.
                And you have virtually no responsibility in peacetime. Until the thunder breaks out (real fighting). And here you are, personnel, start study.

                Everything would be fine, fucking losers, but your studies are dearly paid for by the blood of soldiers, whom you seem to be able to competently manage even BEFORE the war. A you just start learning in the process of hostilities... For it’s already necessary to answer somehow (it’s a pity that now this is not such a responsibility as in the Great Patriotic War, when the distribution of elephants took place inevitably and fairly, and it didn’t matter at all - you, who had not studied military affairs before the war, or a traitor)

                The Red Army in 1941 rolled back to the east, while regular officers and generals were driving. And no heroism of the soldiers could improve the situation. But when, on the call to replace the insolvent career officers, peasants from the national economy ("jackets", yes) en masse came to replace them - then they began to fight differently. Coincidence? Don't think...

                Finally. Of course, there are exceptions to any rule, and I also met real officers - but this is not about the general mass of personnel, far from being about the majority, alas ....
                1. +5
                  April 22 2023 13: 34
                  The current personnel are those who went to military schools for benefits and cheap mortgages.

                  To some extent, I agree with you. While still serving in the mid-90s as an urgent officer in the RF Armed Forces, our officers were secretly divided. There were officers with a capital letter behind whom they went into fire and water, and there were those who were called "jackals" who had only selfish interest and careerism at any cost.
                2. +2
                  April 23 2023 12: 19
                  I agree with you 100%. I saw the picture myself, the tired fathers, the commanders, loaded into the bus, and began to pump the rights still ... To which the man of age verbally drank them, and said that he and the boys after Afghanistan did not allow himself this.
                3. +1
                  April 26 2023 21: 42
                  When I served in the GSVG in the messenger of the 70s, I was surprised how much officers and ensigns drank. What if there was a real combat alert? But in 1968, they still worked well in the Danube operation, but then outstanding front-line soldiers were still in command!
                4. 0
                  April 27 2023 09: 56
                  Everyone drank vodka. And personnel, and jackets. There are many graduates of the Suvorov military schools among the personnel. It is difficult to say that after the 8th grade people went to the Suvorov military school for the sake of mortgages, etc. Yes, there were children-grandchildren of the generals, but few. In general, a strange topic. An officer must be an officer. Regardless of where you studied. Dressed shoulder straps, must match. And all these discussions "who is better or worse" .... an unworthy thing.
                5. 0
                  April 28 2023 17: 20
                  All is correct
                  The father of a regular military man retired at the age of 45, they gave an apartment in any city in the country to choose from according to the composition of the family, for 4 people a three-ruble note
                  True, this was in the early 90s.

                  But even now he has a pension more than average salaries, and the modern military has no less benefits

                  And I'm 45 now, but I still have 20 years before retirement :-((
            3. -4
              April 20 2023 23: 44
              With all the depressing situation on the front line, which of the pros has the time and opportunity to train mobs, if this is not really done even in the rear?). All this mobilization was started for extras, the length of the huge front. Perhaps a psychological effect was supposed, as with the Chechens at the beginning of the NWO).
            4. +1
              April 29 2023 07: 56
              Interested! Especially when you are defending your homeland. But how can you explain to yourself that you need to fight, but everyone knows that the flow of gas and oil through Ukraine has increased and the profits of anti-Fvshists in power too. And not only gas and oil, which is sad.
          3. +3
            April 20 2023 21: 08
            ... and nothing to add ... everything is right !!! ... otherwise everything is blah blah blah ....
          4. +4
            April 20 2023 22: 04
            For some reason, it is "accepted" here to compare the T-55 with the Leopards and Abrams. And it’s correct - as you rightly pointed out - to compare the situation: there is a tank with NO tank.

            Good fire support. Eh ... they should still be robotized so that the crew "at a distance" is safe. An excellent means of opening firing points would come out, where someone newer could act as the 2nd number from afar, "combing" the identified adversary.
            1. +12
              April 21 2023 03: 15
              For some reason, it is "accepted" here to compare the T-55 with the Leopards and Abrams. And it’s correct - as you rightly pointed out - to compare the situation: there is a tank with NO tank.

              You are right, of course. Than to have nothing, it is better to have Berdan, and a supply of black powder, and not compare it with the M4.
              BUT
              This creates the impression that you have a TANK, as it adorns all reports .. But there is no tank ... And they will set tasks that there is a TANK. Well, not quite modern, but there is. And tasks can be set appropriately ...
              That's the problem and the danger...
              1. +1
                April 21 2023 22: 10
                as in the Great Patriotic War, the unit went naked! The ferdinant was the first to let this self-propelled gun for the place of the tank, and they were surprised at the big losses. what about the tank. su76m
            2. 0
              April 26 2023 21: 45
              Sivkov said that the Leopard-1 is even inferior to the T-55.
          5. +3
            April 20 2023 22: 33
            I agree, the technique should work, even such an old one
          6. +7
            April 20 2023 23: 53
            Well, all the same, if you think reasonably: why would the T-55 fire on newer enemy tanks? Let him sit in ambush (shelter) and wait for his targets: old French, German tanks, Bradleys, infantry of our series and finally enemy infantry, if there are no suitable armored targets. And let the more armored tanks hit all sorts of Cornets.
          7. +4
            April 21 2023 09: 35
            As a member of the NWO, I will tell you this - we will be happy with such equipment, we will find where to attach it.

            And what kind of suicide bombers will sit in these tanks? The enemy is doing well with anti-tank systems, unlike us.
            1. +4
              April 21 2023 16: 15
              Do you think it's safer in an open trench or bunker?
          8. 0
            April 21 2023 11: 55
            Quote: URAL72
            as a member of the CBO, I’ll say this - we will be happy with such a technique

            That's for sure...
            The tranche of those who saw the tank only in the picture is unacceptable, even with political slogans (Yeltsinism - Putinism) and very stupid statements that, they say, only Armata and T-90M are needed as a last resort (what chishi they don’t know, "languages ", i.e. technical and economic issues, are not trained wink ).
            The main thing is why they plan to use the T-55 in the NWO?
            For enemy defense attacks? This is unlikely, although modernized machines with powerful remote sensing, etc. can still be used for this.
            But the rifled 100-mm D-10T is a much better weapon in terms of accuracy than the Rapier MT-12, nicknamed the "sniper rifle" and not causing discussion because of its advanced age. Many authorities say that, they say, now tanks are firing, mainly from the PDO. A rifled gun is the best for this business. OFS flies at 15 km with an elevation angle of 18 degrees. And if you roll to the stern, i.e. increase the angle of elevation, then much further. To hit a tank used as a self-propelled guns, on fire, and even in a trench, during a counter-battery fight, as a rule, it is possible only with a direct hit, unlike self-propelled guns, not to mention a towed gun. And he can change the firing position as quickly as Acacia or Msta. 100-mm ammunition for this gun is one of the most common a / c in the world, although not as powerful as 152-mm, but far from a "mosquito bite" So, you can use the T-55, if wisely.
            1. +1
              April 26 2023 15: 49
              Yes Yes Yes..
              Shooting from a tank with PDO!!! It's right!!!
              Current on the basis of what will you calculate the shooting ??? Do you have tables of shooting for tank fluff ??
              Do you have firing tables with standard barrel elevation angles ??
              Damn shooter.
              1. 0
                April 29 2023 08: 01
                Yes, even in their eyes a dime a dozen - all God's dew
              2. 0
                14 June 2023 22: 56
                Shooting with a drone is not a problem. And download the desired program to your phone.
          9. 0
            April 21 2023 22: 58
            I agree, it is always necessary to strengthen, and there is someone. Considering that even the National Guard went to fight "light". mobilized also need something to strengthen. Build supports. Set up garrisons in occupied territories. Checkpoints....
          10. +3
            April 22 2023 11: 56
            BROTHERS, WORK!!! Just return to your relatives.
          11. 0
            April 23 2023 22: 33
            Think right, comrade .... everything will come in handy at the front
        3. +4
          April 21 2023 08: 20
          Quote: Stas157
          And the one who blamed the ancestors for the worthless galoshes did not make his own campaign.

          Did.
          True, in small quantities.
          But they are fashionable.
          They are called Aurus. wink
          1. -1
            April 26 2023 21: 50
            True, in small quantities.

            Yeah, for parades on May 9th.
        4. 0
          April 22 2023 18: 48
          Well honey. Pans got excited.
          The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information
      3. +7
        April 20 2023 12: 51
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        These are those 72% of new technology

        72% of new equipment is in regular units, mobilization did not count.
      4. +14
        April 20 2023 13: 02
        New does not mean modern. Yes, 72% new technology. The new ZIL-131 or GAZ-66, with a mileage of 100 km, is also new if anything.
        1. man
          +10
          April 20 2023 16: 58
          New does not mean modern. Yes, 72% new technology. The new ZIL-131 or GAZ-66, with a mileage of 100 km, is also new if anything.
          It turns out that new bicycles can increase the percentage of new equipment?
        2. 0
          April 26 2023 22: 00
          I have a VAZ-2104 2009 with a mileage of 20000 km. Almost new, though I changed the gas tank, 3 ball joints, all the rubber under the hood, the hub bearing, the main brake and clutch cylinders, the bypass valve, the separator, the stabilizer bushings and silent blocks ...
      5. -8
        April 20 2023 13: 11
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        These are those 72% of new technology!

        Did any of the commentators wonder what is happening, in reality?
        The West is pushing old junk (with a slight interspersing of modern) to knock out Russian equipment, supplementing the human resources of Ukraine, without counting... Do you propose to concentrate all modern weapons on the Ukrainian direction? Are you sure that the West is not preparing the main strikes from other points?
        While the "lazy filling" of NATO with modern weapons is underway, Russia should also hold its own. That is why the introduction of veterans is the most logical step.
        Yes! "Armata", etc. would look spectacular on monitor screens, but when the enemy is obviously dark, you should not "beat the show-off".
        1. +23
          April 20 2023 13: 50
          Armats with their active protection systems would look great on the streets of Kyiv, Odessa, Kharkov, Kherson, Zaporozhye on February 27, 2022. But, they were not there and now they are not. And, I suspect, when and if NATO starts, in principle there will be 100 of them for the whole country. Seriously speaking, nothing but greed prevented equipping the existing T-72, T-80 and T-90 vehicles with the Arena-M and curtain systems, which greatly increases the survivability of vehicles on the battlefield. But, the radar for the arena is too expensive in market realities ... The lives of the crews are cheaper. Think further yourself.
          1. +23
            April 20 2023 14: 06
            in principle, there will be 100 pieces for the whole country

            But you are an optimist laughing
        2. +1
          April 20 2023 16: 44
          Those. will we also fight with NATO with artillery and tanks? Why did Stalin create nuclear weapons?
          1. +6
            April 20 2023 20: 43
            Quote: cast iron
            Those. will we also fight with NATO with artillery and tanks? Why did Stalin create nuclear weapons?

            In order to discourage them from their desire to use it with impunity.
            1. +7
              April 20 2023 22: 38
              We will not defeat NATO with conventional weapons. Too many of them. And we are few. Very little. If Poland and the conditional Baltic States go on the attack on Russia for "democracy", then it is necessary without any hesitation to destroy their army groups with nuclear charges. And also inflict several nuclear strikes on the places of deployment of their troops, headquarters and airfields. Only such a prospect will calm down the fascist Russophobes.
              1. +2
                April 22 2023 08: 58
                Poland and the Tribalts are members of the alliance and the use of them, most likely, will cause a response to our troops, the same tactical nuclear weapons. But in any case, the conflict will reach a new, very destructive and very predictable level. The next step will inevitably be "we go to heaven, and they die."
                1. +2
                  April 23 2023 01: 26
                  Based on your logic, we must dispose of all our nuclear weapons, because. when it is used against Eurogopota, we "may" "fly" from their older brother.
                2. 0
                  14 June 2023 23: 00
                  So, so be it. Are you going to live forever? I don't think the Poles have nuclear weapons. And it is enough to warn the Amers, Angles, Germans and French. They want to live more than we do.
        3. +24
          April 20 2023 17: 35
          Can they give out muskets to save Kalash in case of an attack by the West? The best way to save weapons is to defeat the enemy as quickly as possible, at the same time the West would see that there is nothing to climb here.
        4. +4
          April 21 2023 16: 48
          Are you sure that the West is not preparing the main strikes from other points?

          so I'm sure that the West is not preparing anything in other directions against Russia. Why would he? I can’t answer this question sanely, even if you watch nonsense on our TV. The West can crush Russia economically, which is both cheaper and more reliable, given the presence of nuclear weapons. After all, how sad it is to realize this, but for the West, after 30 years of independence, Russia is not the main enemy, but an unfortunate misunderstanding, and this is too small an irritant to fight with its own hands with the seemingly second army of the world, which, moreover, can arrange an apocalypse. The risks outweigh the potential benefits.
          Do not forget that the Russian authorities themselves dragged their country into their own adventure, they themselves attacked Ukraine last year, and so far no one has sanely explained what kind of tse-tse bit the decision-makers, how "they were forced to take such a decisive step." Nothing even hinted at the need for a small victorious one to increase the popularity of the authorities.
          1. +1
            April 22 2023 09: 02
            That's just what it alluded to, exactly this. A la Crimea two and a rating to heaven. They seem to feel something is wrong. There are many who want to sit on the pipe.
            1. 0
              April 25 2023 15: 18
              That's just what it alluded to, exactly this. A la Crimea two and a rating to heaven. They seem to feel something is wrong. There are many who want to sit on the pipe.

              So, what exactly hinted at the threat to the power of the Most Serene Prince and his close boyars or the capital of successful friends? Well, statesmen may have known, but it’s not at all clear to a simple representative of the draft class why it was suddenly necessary to attack neighbors, and even without completely preparing the army for this. It's like cutting the branch you're sitting on.
              Nothing threatens your power, in principle, a good gesheft comes from trade, if there are threats, then obviously not in the near future, but ... Why did you have to make a variety of this sedate order of things with your own hands? what could "feel so wrong" to crap like that? I can't understand this train of thought with my sawdust. There is no obvious reason for this.
              As for the pipe, i.e. energy market in Europe, then as early as January 2022, nothing threatened Russia’s position there, although the Americans had long proposed throwing our companies out of there. But the terms of delivery from Russia were too much better than the rest, so that the Europeans needed a serious reason for refusal. At most, Nord Stream 2 would not have been allowed to be put into operation. And if it were not for "denazification" and "real decommunization", no one would have coveted our pipe in the next 10-20 years. But our authorities themselves decided to say: "own this European energy market whoever wants, we are tired of it, we are bored because of these incomes." Now, because of these idiots, all the people will pay, and many have already paid with their lives, both in Russia and in Ukraine ...
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      6. +16
        April 20 2023 15: 03
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: certero
        in one word - scribe.

        These are those 72% of new technology! am

        My wife once said, "Your hat is old, it doesn't look very good, you need to buy a new one." And she attached it to the needy (volunteers collect fire victims, the unemployed). And it was winter. In the morning I look for a hat - it is not there. I ask where - left, bye-bye in short. I later explained to my wife that they first buy a new hat, and then get rid of the old one. This is about the disposal of tanks. That's until they replaced everything and everywhere on the t-90. DON'T GET RID OF YOUR OLD EQUIPMENT. Just as it is not necessary to get rid of machines for the manufacture of shells for them. Preserve - yes! These effective managers need to have their hands torn off and put where they need to be. But the system works in such a way that it's easier to call me a troublemaker, and keep on babbling that "they know what they're doing at the top."
      7. +3
        April 20 2023 18: 00
        These are those 72% of new technology!

        Nah, about 72%, you misunderstood. What a situation there. They said we would stop producing T-90s, and reduce the old T-72s, and upgrade some of them. A simple example: Let's say you have 10 tanks, of which T-90 - 3 pcs, T-72B - 7 pcs. three obsolete and lo and behold, the percentage of new technology has risen to 30 percent. That's basically how it has been for years.
      8. +6
        April 20 2023 18: 58
        As a gunner of the NTOT IS-2 (Joseph Stalin-2, 1944 release), I will say, well ... all of you. I'm alone in a white headset sitting in a tank turret...
        Few people know what a fortified area is, what NTOT is.
        And what are the old tanks for. When only a tower sticks out of the ground. Does not radiate heat.
        Which can be covered with a grate on top. Or a thick armor plate. From all kinds of javelins.
        1. +4
          April 20 2023 21: 01
          Quote: Oleg Ogorod
          As a gunner of the NTOT IS-2 (Joseph Stalin-2, 1944 release), I will say, well ... all of you. I'm alone in a white headset sitting in a tank turret...
          Few people know what a fortified area is, what NTOT is.
          And what are the old tanks for. When only a tower sticks out of the ground. Does not radiate heat.
          Which can be covered with a grate on top. Or a thick armor plate. From all kinds of javelins.
          And after how many shots will the gun barrel begin to be visible to the "teplak"? ...
          Artillerymen constantly complain that they have to quickly change position after firing - because of the fear of arrival from the APU ...
          There is such a fear that after the first shots, UAVs will go to the NTOT and point artillery at the NTOT - and then it’s only a matter of when the projectile will hit the NTOT ...
          UR No. 19 NTOT IS-4 No. 72 Transbaikalia, border with China.
          They started NTOT with the T-34-85 - then they replaced it with "new" towers, up to the T-55 - then something like "conservation", in the 90s they were decommissioned and "feast of ferrous metal" ...
          soldier
          1. +4
            April 20 2023 22: 41
            A tank "not radiating" heat buried in the turret is alive until the first clash. Because he does not move, he is calculated by modern methods of reconnaissance and observation. Next comes the arrival of a 155 mm projectile.
            1. 0
              April 28 2023 17: 24
              Apparently that's why he sits there in a white helmet and white slippers
              With the current development of UAVs and other computing methods, digging in is akin to suicide
          2. +1
            April 22 2023 13: 59
            In Transbaikalia, in the URs, the IS-2 and IS-3 were mainly deployed.
            True, the URs are no longer there, like those tanks.
        2. +7
          April 20 2023 21: 11
          Quote: Oleg Ogorod
          When only a tower sticks out of the ground. Does not radiate heat.
          Which can be covered with a grate on top. Or a thick armor plate. From all kinds of javelins.


          In a modern even household thermal imager, you can see how a cat farts (not an exaggeration). And your multi-ton piece of iron on a summer day will become so hot in the sun that you can fry eggs. And from Excalibur for her, the only defense will be the greed of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to spend valuable ammunition on a low-value target. But if your turret is in the direction of their strike, they will not regret it. By the way, the Israelis in 1973 on the Bar-Lev line had dozens of these same towers, even from the IS-3. Didn't help at all.
          1. 0
            April 22 2023 14: 03
            A camouflage net will perfectly save from the sun.
            Well, to hit the shell exactly in the tower, it's oh, how you need to be lucky. To the gentlemen of the vushniks, who have escalibers like shoe polish in a shoe polish factory ...
      9. -12
        April 20 2023 21: 00
        Nobody paid attention to the little line. The T-54/55 tanks have ANTI-NUCLEAR PROTECTION. Think sofa experts.
        drinks
        1. +9
          April 20 2023 21: 04
          Quote: Mikhalych
          T-54/55 tanks have ANTI-NUCLEAR PROTECTION

          It is also available on all subsequent versions of Soviet and Russian tanks. And there's nothing to cap here Yes
          1. -7
            April 21 2023 08: 29
            Firstly, write the insect repeller in Russian words, not in English (caps lock).
            Secondly,
            By the collapse of the USSR, in principle, there were no tanks left in the army without anti-radiation protection. This has been the standard in tank building since the 1960s.

            Thirdly, if you cannot speak decently and not in English, then it is better to be silent.
            hi stop
          2. 0
            April 21 2023 16: 18
            On the t-90m, it seems that the anti-nuclear lining was replaced with an anti-fragmentation one.
        2. +3
          April 20 2023 22: 43
          By the collapse of the USSR, in principle, there were no tanks left in the army without anti-radiation protection. This has been the standard in tank building since the 1960s.
        3. +2
          April 21 2023 14: 34
          The T-54 does not.
          And what does that mean, by the way? The T-62,72,80,90,14, regardless of modification, has anti-nuclear protection.
          And how did this affect the course of the SVO?
        4. 0
          April 26 2023 22: 28
          Only the T-55, if anything, said retired captain 1st rank Konstantin Sivkov
      10. -2
        April 21 2023 01: 29
        And what is wrong??? The Russian army has even more than 72% of new equipment. Does it cancel the fact that they decided to use the old one from the warehouses? What would you like to say?...
      11. 0
        April 22 2023 10: 28
        You do not forget that equipment can have the property of being destroyed on the battlefield, and the military-industrial complex is not able to release a new one very quickly.
        1. -1
          April 26 2023 22: 31
          It is a pity that Serdyukov, the Minister of Defense appointed by Putin, ruined the military-industrial complex ... crying
        2. 0
          April 28 2023 17: 26
          Do you feel sorry for technology? And the crew that is destroyed in this technique?
    2. -12
      April 20 2023 07: 12
      Quote: certero
      You can only comment in one word - scribe.

      You should comment on it like this:
      All that is available at the moment is one photo and video (screenshot) from the telegram channels, which depict the same T-54.

      This photo is at least a couple of weeks old. Where is the more recent evidence of "alarmu"? Where is the massive evidence of "alarmu"? There is none of them. But there is a video of enough mass seaming for the modernization of both the T-62 and T-72.
      1. +11
        April 20 2023 07: 19
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        This photo is at least a couple of weeks old. Where is the more recent evidence of "alarmu"?

        T-54/55s are being removed from storage bases, this can also be seen from satellite images. This legacy of the Soviet Union is kept at several bases.




        1. -23
          April 20 2023 07: 38
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          T-54/55s are being removed from storage bases, this can also be seen from satellite images. This legacy of the Soviet Union is kept at several bases.

          It's funny, to distinguish the T-55 from the T-62, and even the T-72 from the satellite is unrealistic. But if you insist that the penultimate image is satellite, then everything will be clear to you.
          And even if they do, for what purpose? There are a lot of projects, not even modernization, but reworking old tanks!
          1. -3
            April 20 2023 09: 25
            And even if they do, for what purpose?

            I read your comments and concluded: your opponents do not need arguments and analysis. they need hype, loud slogans and pressure. and they give you cons. for in their own eyes some beams do not see. so does it make sense to throw something in the future?
            1. -2
              April 20 2023 09: 32
              Quote from: QuestionsNeudobny
              your opponents don't need arguments and analysis. they need hype, loud slogans and pressure. and they give you cons.

              Not all opponents are like that, but then it's already a dispute. And here it is throwing and forcing. hi
              But there are pluses too. wink
              1. -1
                April 20 2023 12: 55
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Not all opponents are like that, but then it's already a dispute. And here it is throwing and forcing.
                But there are pluses too.

                I will support you in your arguments!
                And I want to note that tanks like the t-55 go to the front, more like self-propelled guns.
                We have a lot of 100 mm shells, but only old tanks, like the T-55, can shoot them.
                And that's why the T-55 is being called into service.
                The front line is full of targets that can be dismantled with 100mm projectiles, from closed positions, when adjusting from a copter, for example.
                And this will save 152 mm shells, the consumption of which is now very high.
                1. +9
                  April 20 2023 14: 31
                  Quote: SergeyB
                  And I want to note that tanks like the t-55 go to the front, more like self-propelled guns.
                  We have a lot of 100 mm shells, but only old tanks, like the T-55, can shoot them.

                  What shells are full? To the Rapier, or to the T-55? And where did you get the idea that there are shells for a tank that has been out of date for the last 50-60 years? Do you think they can last forever? Obviously, no one has been making shells for such an ancient weapon for a long time, otherwise what is in the warehouses is hardly very reliable. Self-propelled guns will never replace a tank, especially the T-55. These shootings at dill positions are now possible, while the front is frozen. And when the batch begins with the participation of everything, all these T-55s, T-62s will bring little, and I hope that the crews, if more serious tanks are found, will not engage in a senseless battle, but will leave the car.
                  Quote: SergeyB
                  And this will save 152 mm shells, the consumption of which is now very high.

                  In no way will 100mm blanks from the T-55 replace a 152mm projectile. You can pick a place for a week with 100mm, which disappears with 152mm of one hit, just like with bombs, 152mm batteries will not replace one FAB 500. Yes, it’s clear that there would be T-72s in commercial quantities, not any T-62s, and even more so T- 55 we would not see now.
                  1. +1
                    April 20 2023 15: 25
                    And when the batch begins with the participation of everything, all these T-55s, T-62s will bring little, and I hope that the crews, if more serious tanks are found, will not engage in a senseless battle, but will leave the car.

                    Yes, with modern tanks, a duel, as I understand it, will not work. Well, at least 1-2 shots and crawl away with vegetable gardens. Maybe shoot more if you weren't found. It's not for me to advise. Throwing the car is also impossible - then you can undermine it.
                    1. 0
                      April 21 2023 00: 13
                      Quote from Matsur
                      Throwing the car is also impossible - then you can undermine it.

                      I am tormented by vague doubts that you, sitting in the T-55 and seeing with your own eyes through binoculars, or a smartphone (since the T-55 has nothing special to look at), a battalion of tanks from the T-64, T-72, which is riding on you, will bother about how to undermine this museum exhibit, rather legs in hands and away from the BC. What are there 1-2 shots? Why, with less than dubious prospects to achieve the defeat of an enemy tank, put your own and the crew's lives at risk? It's one thing how they are fighting now, fussing for trenches back and forth and villages, the front line is standing, there are no large-scale offensives, here the T-34 can be adapted, shot down. But in large-scale databases, it doesn’t matter, when attacking or defending, these vehicles can be used as tanks directly, in combination with more modern equipment it is impossible to effectively and they will be killed faster than they can successfully shoot themselves. Of course, anything can happen, with large-scale databases, if not T-55s and more modern ones come out on the T-64, but some kind of APU MCIs, then of course the T-55 can arrange hell for them. Let's not condemn the crews that, in situations that we didn’t dream of, when the time to save a life for a second, you think not about the tank, but about the family that you still want to see, and the tank will come with time.
                  2. +4
                    April 20 2023 15: 31
                    Quote: karabas-barabas
                    And where did you get the idea that there are shells for a tank that has been out of date for the last 50-60 years?

                    D-10t uses a shot to the naval anti-aircraft gun. These shots are still used in the Navy. So there are fresh shells and they are even being produced.
                    Quote: karabas-barabas
                    and I hope that the crews, if more serious tanks are found, will not engage in a senseless battle, but will leave the car.
                    And how many of these tanks are serious?
                    And where are these T-55s in the NWO zone like you saw?
                    1. +1
                      April 21 2023 00: 23
                      The difference between anti-aircraft HE and ground artillery HE is that the first one breaks into a smaller number of heavy fragments (the plane is iron, it needs to be pierced and something inside needs to be damaged), so they are weakly effective against infantry.
                      Therefore, during the Second World War, at first we had an anti-aircraft shot for the 85-mm TP, but then we had to do a normal one. Again, the 100-mm caliber is weak in order to effectively kill the sheltered infantry. Therefore, the foreign trend in the face of 105 mm howitzers did not find understanding with us
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                  3. -2
                    April 22 2023 22: 24
                    I read somewhere that the 100 mm BMP 3 and BMD 4 guns are ammunition compatible with the T55 gun. thanks to which the production of this caliber is saved. and since the new BMP3 and BMD 4 were decently knocked out in the troops in 14 months, there is nothing to shoot with these shells. By the way, think about what is better than 50 mm of frontal armor of an infantry fighting vehicle 3 of which armored steel is 16 mm, the rest is aluminum or 100 mm of honest rolled armored steel t 55? On the sides it is even more interesting - 60 mm of T55 tank armor is guaranteed to hold fragments of 152 and 155 caliber, which cannot be said about the side armor of the BMP at a close gap.
                2. +2
                  April 20 2023 15: 17
                  Quote: SergeyB
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Not all opponents are like that, but then it's already a dispute. And here it is throwing and forcing.
                  But there are pluses too.

                  I will support you in your arguments!
                  And I want to note that tanks like the t-55 go to the front, more like self-propelled guns.
                  We have a lot of 100 mm shells, but only old tanks, like the T-55, can shoot them.
                  And that's why the T-55 is being called into service.
                  The front line is full of targets that can be dismantled with 100mm projectiles, from closed positions, when adjusting from a copter, for example.
                  And this will save 152 mm shells, the consumption of which is now very high.

                  If like a sau, then a lot of shells will be needed. As I understand it, more than one stash has already been opened. And stocks tend to run out. And this is what will happen then ... Will our first persons be so calm?
                  If they are like firing points, then it would be nice to really dig them in and a protective visor to boot. Maybe at least the crew will help protect against all sorts of RPGs, mounted fire.
                3. +2
                  April 20 2023 18: 21
                  You also take ATGMs to save on ATGMs. Or PPSh so that new machines do not wear out. You probably have a wife at home who spins the bobbin so that the flash drives do not torment. Very smart of her. By the way, how is your "penny" doing?
                4. 0
                  April 28 2023 17: 29
                  With your support of arguments, would you like to be mobilized in the T-55?
                  I think you can talk like this from the sofa
          2. -3
            April 20 2023 19: 35
            If you do not want to distinguish, then of course, but some say so and read newspapers.
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      1. +51
        April 20 2023 07: 34
        And there is no desire to be disposed of together? It's a good thing - as a mobile target, you will divert enemy fire onto yourself, make you nervous, spend expensive ammunition.
      2. +49
        April 20 2023 07: 45
        Can I remind you, smart guy, that completely new people will sit in these old tanks? Can you get into it? Or son? Although with such reasoning, it would be better if you and your whole family were sitting in it under a javelin.
        1. -22
          April 20 2023 10: 04
          Well, no matter how you, smart guy, no one was rude, didn’t poke, and didn’t drink brotherhood with you. Here you explain to me, idiot. Personally, you formed an MSD, which is better, put it on 300 KAMAZ trucks, or still give it a full-fledged TP, albeit on old cars, give it (divisions) approx. 200 infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, also outdated, full-fledged artillery and anti-aircraft regiments, albeit also on obsolete equipment, reconnaissance battalion on armored personnel carriers 50P, etc., etc. Or do you need 200 thousand tanks and 100 thousand aircraft at once? And preferably immediately Armat, Boomerangs, what else is there to choose from? This is Tukhachevism. And he ended badly. Well, if the Great Soviet Union could not provide all the Wishlist of Tukhachevsky, most importantly as unnecessary, then what can we say about the Russian Federation? It is clear that the miscalculation of the top military-political leadership was obvious, they hoped for- ala Kazakhstan, but did not fail. Now we have to overdo it, sorry, with what is currently available. What other questions do you have? I already wrote above, without executions and quartering.)))
          1. +17
            April 20 2023 11: 29
            Quote from: lukash66
            Now I have to change sorry, what is currently available.

            Well then, we must admit that we were absolutely not ready and everything did not go according to plan. However, we are told the opposite!
            1. +2
              April 20 2023 12: 18
              Totally agree with you. Were a little confused. But now in real time, what are your suggestions? In Soviet times, there were so-called. framed divisions. Headquarters and plus a permanent staff. Taking into account the mobilization of reservists and equipment from STORAGE. Not new and latest, namely from storage. And they had to go in the second echelon. What we are now seeing. Yes, of course, I would like everything to be super-super modern, but not a single state can pull it off. In PEACE, we had a million aircraft, which fully corresponds to our capabilities, without war and mobilization. Taking into account the fact that without the outskirts there are also other "pieces" of our borders with "partners", with the order of the Commander-in-Chief not to send conscripts to the database zone, of course, it is not enough.
              1. +9
                April 20 2023 12: 35
                Taking into account the mobilization of reservists and equipment from STORAGE. Not new and latest, namely from storage.

                The technique of the 50s from storage in the 80s is not at all the same as the technique of the 50s from storage in the 20s. Both in terms of their condition and their comparability with threats.
                1. 0
                  April 20 2023 12: 54
                  Well, here, as they say, we have. There is still no other.
              2. +14
                April 20 2023 13: 12
                Why did they do it alone, and you expect offers from me? In the current situation, there are no right actions, there are possible ones. And my tone is caused by only one thing: the couch soldier supports the idea of ​​​​fighting on the old shit, because you don’t feel sorry for the old equipment, despite the fact that he himself is sitting in a lukewarm rear.
                1. -7
                  April 20 2023 14: 25
                  Katz offers to surrender?
                  Or some other smart idea.
                  Here I can offer to bang. This world has no future.
              3. +7
                April 20 2023 15: 22
                We got a little pissed off

                A little???
                I'm tired of classmates and classmates to bury! You tell their fathers, mothers, widows and orphans that we are "a little bluffed"!
              4. +1
                April 21 2023 00: 04
                A million is all troops, with Moscow air defense telephone operators and a guard of honor company, and ground forces with marines and airborne forces, 300 thousand in the state. With mobilization, probably up to 500-600 thousand, about the same as in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                1. 0
                  April 28 2023 17: 34
                  only to compare 300 thousand marines and airborne forces with 300 thousand 40-year-old mobilized who were forcibly pulled out of their families is incorrect
                  So the figure is closer to 300 thousand
              5. +1
                April 21 2023 22: 22
                "A little pissed off."
                This is when you called your wife someone else's name.
                And what we have now is called a friend. And there are no censorship words for this.
              6. 0
                April 26 2023 22: 59
                In 1967, I served in a framed MSD in Novorossiysk .. The 6-day war had just begun, and all 34s were sent to Egypt. And in 1969, this division was transferred to the Khabarovsk Territory and deployed. And Serdyukov disbanded it, and the military town was abandoned.


          2. +5
            April 20 2023 17: 43
            "to rebuild so that one hundred is currently available," and the presence of what is currently formed by itself, or is it the actions of some specific people? Maybe these people are somehow responsible for their activities, and how did they respond? And then it all boils down to the fact that, well, somehow everything happened by itself, it’s just shit!
      3. +26
        April 20 2023 09: 27
        Right! And Russian men 35-45 years old in these museum exhibits also need to be disposed of. After all, guest workers from Central Asia are already being brought to Russia to replace them, and jobs must be vacated urgently.
        1. -11
          April 20 2023 10: 35
          yaxshi aytding uka))) salom sizga Chilonzordan Why do you think people in Uzbekistan live in the wrong system? I myself graduated from Tashkent as a techie, I live and work in the Russian Federation now, entire mahallas have moved already, many have received citizenship, or are Ukrainians personally brothers to you?
          1. +18
            April 20 2023 11: 16
            Quote from Mazunga
            Now entire mahallas have moved. Have many received citizenship, or are Ukrainians personally brothers to you?

            Why are there entire mahallas of Uzbeks in Russia? This is a breeding ground for Islamic radicalism. Plus, Türkiye is implementing its Great Turan project. And this is a mine laid under the territorial and political integrity of the Russian Federation. If the Ukrainians are not brothers, then this does not mean that the Uzbeks have suddenly become brothers to us.
            Alexander Bastrykin: migrants have become one of the factors of social tension in the world and Russia

            https://www.interfax.ru/russia/895287
            1. -2
              April 20 2023 15: 35
              Quote: Hyperion
              Quote from Mazunga
              Now entire mahallas have moved. Have many received citizenship, or are Ukrainians personally brothers to you?

              Why are there entire mahallas of Uzbeks in Russia? This is a breeding ground for Islamic radicalism. Plus, Türkiye is implementing its Great Turan project. And this is a mine laid under the territorial and political integrity of the Russian Federation. If the Ukrainians are not brothers, then this does not mean that the Uzbeks have suddenly become brothers to us.
              Alexander Bastrykin: migrants have become one of the factors of social tension in the world and Russia

              https://www.interfax.ru/russia/895287

              Wooo, here it is! You are the same as the Ukrainians. Then the Tatars with the Bashkirs, Buryats and Yakuts are definitely not your brothers either !!! Narrow-eyed ones! Tatars with Bashkirs and Chechens are also Muslims! What is not the soil for Islamism?
              1. +1
                April 20 2023 17: 38
                And have Tatars with Bashkirs long been called bloody occupiers in Russian schools? This has been practiced in Uzbekistan since the second half of the 1990s.
              2. +6
                April 20 2023 18: 31
                Quote from Matsur
                Then the Tatars with the Bashkirs, Buryats and Yakuts are definitely not your brothers either !!! Narrow-eyed ones!

                Tatars, Bashkirs and Yakuts are native Russians. And it's not about the shape of the eyes and skin color. It's about behavior and unwillingness to live at a party according to the rules.
          2. +6
            April 20 2023 17: 36
            Asalam aleykim, dustim. Kaleysan? Yahshimisiz? Maybe for a start, cancel the Russophobic program in schools in Uzbekistan, and then we will talk about moving the whole mahalla? :) I remember very well how the whole family moved to Russia in the early 2000s. With naked fifth points. There were no jobs or prospects for Russian-speakers in Uzbekistan. I have ALL classmates and some of the parallel classes also moved to Russia, some to Korea, some to Kazakhstan, and some to the USA and Canada. And now proud Uzbeks go to work in Russia. At the same time, not forgetting to pour fuming substance on Russians in their school and university textbooks.
            1. 0
              April 20 2023 18: 05
              Assalomu alaykum aka xudoga shukur hammasi yaxshi)) qayerdansiz? in the 90s, in all the republics, at the suggestion of the KGB, the popular fronts were powered by the fact that you would drive the Russians away and you would live (((Everyone fell for this nonsense, I remember how in Moscow people with crazy eyes followed Yeltsin in crowds (((everyone was sold in bulk
              1. +6
                April 20 2023 21: 09
                Everyone got scammed, I agree. They destroyed the USSR under the slogans of dense nationalism ...
          3. +5
            April 20 2023 21: 18
            I was in Tashkent, a cool city. But what would they say in Tashkent if the local men were sent to fight on museum equipment, and Tajiks were brought in their place?
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        2. +4
          April 20 2023 17: 44
          Pension reform under the slogan "War is the cause of the young, the cure for wrinkles"
      4. +17
        April 20 2023 10: 54
        You speak directly, as an official. Yes. Why burn new tanks if you can dispose of old ones. They just didn’t add that they would be disposed of along with the crews. Why do tankers need modern tanks with good protection. Let them fight in these coffins good
        1. -7
          April 20 2023 14: 38
          And if the alternative is to fight without tanks at all?
          The son of a neighbor in the country, came from there, vacation or not at all, I don’t know. You can't call his mood decadent. He, as I understand it, worked as an artilleryman on Acacia.
        2. +3
          April 20 2023 14: 46
          So the problem with old tanks is not only that crews die faster in them, but also that you can’t fight anything against armored brigades on T-.72, T-64, Leo2, including Marder and Bradley BK BOPS burning T-55. They will see the crew of the T-55/62, which means the approaching columns of enemy tanks from binoculars, so what? Will they open fire? Head-on? Or will they cunningly and imperceptibly go around the flank and rear and shoot the heavy armored brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine point blank from behind? The only correct decision of the crew in this case is not to engage in battle and leave the tank. But I immediately thought, and then there will be no problems, they say the deserters left the equipment?
        3. 0
          April 28 2023 17: 39
          Yes, most likely everything is much simpler, there is simply no longer that number of modern tanks
          Many were sold for export, others destroyed
          In other places, they are simply not really needed anymore to keep them there. In the event of the opening of some kind of front with NATO on the borders of their countries, they will no longer decide anything, nuclear weapons will be used
      5. +5
        April 20 2023 18: 26
        About the new "forcer" drew himself. Maybe go to the front to work as a target and distract the Ukrainians from the fighters. They will give you a three-ruler there so that you don’t spend Kalash.
      6. 0
        April 20 2023 20: 36
        Quote from Traktoris
        This is your stupidity, not a scribe.
        The question is, why burn new tanks if you can dispose of the old ones?
        Let the old tanks fight not "alone" in the field, but complete with new ones, and here the rule works, the more (in quantity) the better it is.
        And the last thing, about factories, why should they be occupied with the "modernization" of junk, if it is possible (and most importantly necessary) to force them to produce NEW tanks.

        Quote: Prokop_Svinin
        And there is no desire to be disposed of together? It's a good thing - as a mobile target, you will divert enemy fire onto yourself, make you nervous, spend expensive ammunition.

        Quote from Vincent Price
        Can I remind you, smart guy, that completely new people will sit in these old tanks? Can you get into it? Or son? Although with such reasoning, it would be better if you and your whole family were sitting in it under a javelin.
        good
    4. +21
      April 20 2023 08: 00
      There are also karamultuks and fuzei. The main thing is not to clean with bricks, which Lefty tearfully asked the generals for.
    5. -39
      April 20 2023 09: 15
      Only our sofa alarmists have a scribe

      Yesterday I read an analyst on our defense.

      Such T-55s will actually fire through reinforced concrete parapets, i.e. thick concrete slabs with abrasures. To one of these positions, the tank leaves the shelter.

      Another scheme worked out near Kherson

      Behind the concrete slab, the T-55 will also win the battle for the Leopard, because. Leo or Bradley will not have enough armor-piercing of their weapons to pierce the T-55 itself after breaking through the plate

      This is a good example of how cowardly and stupid "patriots" we have in the mass and do not understand at all how our defensive system is built
      1. +18
        April 20 2023 09: 30
        Behind a concrete slab, the T-55 will win the battle
        And what about Western ATGMs that strike from above?
        1. +1
          April 20 2023 09: 46
          For a Western ATGM that strikes from above, there is not much difference - is it a t-55 or a t-90
          1. 0
            April 20 2023 12: 00
            For a Western ATGM that strikes from above, there is not much difference - is it a t-55 or a t-90

            Most intelligent comment.

            There were tanks large and there were small, there were thick armor and there were thin ones, there were active protection and there were passive ones.
            And then Javelin appeared and called everyone! laughing
        2. 0
          April 20 2023 20: 37
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Behind a concrete slab, the T-55 will win the battle
          And what about Western ATGMs that strike from above?
          This is different! winked
      2. +6
        April 20 2023 10: 02
        Yes, to me as an infantry, if instead of an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle a 100 mm barrel covers me, this is good.
        What to base then? Did you people see how 55 disassembles stone houses on land mines? Do you think that more than one company commander will not refuse if, in addition to the regular one, there is a platoon 55 behind him?
        1. +10
          April 20 2023 11: 32
          The company commander will not refuse, the company commander cannot sit in the tank. But the tankers are another matter ...
          1. 0
            April 21 2023 18: 44
            Yes, you are right for a company commander not to sit in a tank. He has to roam like that without any armor.
            And you don’t need to talk about scary infantry, they scary see right into the dense.
            It’s not worth talking about scary, understand the infantry will always cover the tank, always if there is at least a bit of darkness and the fighters will be allocated armor to cover.
            All ba tank yes in the field yes in one.
            1. 0
              April 23 2023 21: 28
              Quote: saigon
              It’s not worth talking about scary, understand the infantry will always cover the tank, always if there is at least a bit of darkness and the fighters will be allocated armor to cover.

              how to cover it up? get in the way of a projectile or rocket flying to a tank?
      3. 0
        April 20 2023 14: 49
        Quote from russianreactor
        Behind the concrete slab, the T-55 will win the battle and the Leopard

        BOPS leo2 breaks through more than 2m of reinforced concrete, and it’s somehow naive to hope that they will attack from the right side.
      4. +1
        April 20 2023 18: 28
      5. +8
        April 21 2023 09: 31
        Behind what stove, sick? Do you imagine the battlefield at least in general terms? Arms nomenclature? Maybe you outplayed the world of tanks? Maybe it seems to you that the enemy will attack along the 1st road? How is it in the game? What about invisible walls on the sides? How about pointing the gun? In the blind? You would have to collect all the smart people and land on Kyiv, you see, in three days they would have taken the city.
  2. -8
    April 20 2023 06: 19
    It is quite obvious that at least some kind of tank (sau / xs) is better than none. A thousand T-72s is good. But a thousand T-72 + a thousand T-55 is better.
    1. +43
      April 20 2023 06: 41
      And who should be planted there with cannon fodder? Maybe there are trained chimpanzees?
      1. -41
        April 20 2023 06: 51
        Saloed, no one is going to use it as a tank, but as a mobile firing point - very much so, and the security is much better than that of your Bradleys, and it separates them like a nut.
        1. 0
          April 20 2023 06: 52
          What a smart one ... like a duck. Planned everything.
          1. -12
            April 20 2023 07: 36
            My opinion. On the T55, put the crew of those who abandoned their T72 or T90. You watch how the crew jumped to the rear, and the banders from the copter into the open hatch of a grenade and a pitchfork to the tank. Here is such a crew as a "reward" -T55.
            1. -2
              April 20 2023 10: 17
              and vyts already in the trench? or ha divan with milka?
            2. -1
              April 20 2023 14: 55
              Quote: Khibiny Plastun
              and T55 to put the crew of those who abandoned their T72 or T90.

              Fuck, you, apparently by your own example in the same situation, did not abandon your tank and share your experience? The tank battalion depends only and exclusively on the commander and coordination. When such a batch, as it was a year ago, what were these crews, disoriented, without intelligible orders, around one after another taking off into the air, to do? Die next to a tank? For what? They survived and moved to other tanks.
              1. +4
                April 20 2023 19: 15
                Whether someone likes it or not, I believe that a good tank should have a good crew, and not any fainting spells.
                You are aware that leaving a serviceable tank is depriving your infantry, your brothers of support. These are someone's lives. This is the salvation of one's own skins at the expense of setting others up. How many video banderomords get into our 72-80, scum and the tank went. He is on the move, combat-ready, but simply abandoned. Is this the norm? That under Balakleya they threw a warehouse with artillery shells, with red fields, they didn’t even blow it up.
                Khokhlomordye are delighted for that.
                And who do you think these shells flew at and who were hit by these serviceable 72-80?
                So, my opinion is that the new technology is in good hands, and not for those who will throw it to the delight of the enemy and leave it without the support of their own. And not the fact that they themselves will survive. Such is my opinion.
                1. -1
                  April 21 2023 00: 38
                  Quote: Khibiny Plastun
                  Whether someone likes it or not, I believe that a good tank should have a good crew, and not any fainting spells.

                  Apparently a "good crew", in your opinion, this is a one-time, ready to risk their lives, for the sake of a dubious prospect of pulling a tank out of shelling, especially when this tank got up due to a breakdown, fuel, goose, ignorance of the terrain, lack of communication, etc. Just the task of a professional crew in case of impossibility to perform a combat mission, this is to survive. And for the fact that the tank does not steal dill, the general of the army should take care, who for this should have the Air Force and rembats with BREMs. Why do you think not a single Abrams with BV ended up in the hands of the Chinese, or in Kubinka? Because everyone was evacuated, and before the evacuation, the Air Force or UAVs grazed.
                  Quote: Khibiny Plastun
                  You are aware that leaving a serviceable tank is depriving your infantry, your brothers of support. These are someone's lives. This is the salvation of one's own skins at the expense of setting others up.

                  I would never have thought to put the question like this, because when the situation is that the tank has to be abandoned, it is impossible to think about any support for the infantry brothers, because in order to help the infantry brothers on your tank, you need to control the situation, clear orders, tactical combat, and not tank turrets flying away from an exact hit on the left and right. Modern means of communication, a common combat information-tactical system are not fashionable toys of the West, but technologies that are absent in the RF Armed Forces, and this, accordingly, is the reason why entire battalions of motorized riflemen get into the mix. Yes, there are many more reasons and responsible for this, before the crews are to blame for something.
                  Quote: Khibiny Plastun
                  So, my opinion is that the new technology is in good hands, and not for those who will throw it to the delight of the enemy and leave it without the support of their own.

                  And how do you know in advance who is ready to become a martyr defending a BC, or a tank, and who is not? How to check it? I repeat again, figure out in what situations they threw tanks on the move. What could they do there but die? Questions should be raised!
                  1. 0
                    April 21 2023 09: 37
                    Leave your imaginations to yourself.
                    I wrote that on the T55 to plant those who have already noted in leaving their equipment in good condition.
                    There are enough crews who take care of their tank, already beaten up, but fighting.
                    These are the guys to give tanks from the assembly line. In their hands, the T90 will fight.
                2. 0
                  April 28 2023 17: 48
                  no matter what modern tank would be, without the support of infantry, air defense systems, etc. it's just an iron coffin
              2. 0
                April 20 2023 22: 25
                Why didn't you, bastard, burn down with the tank? Comrade bosses, I tell them, next time I will definitely burn down! (C) for the first time I realized that this whole joy is not so much from the Soviet regime, but from such rear heroes
        2. +8
          April 20 2023 07: 32
          54ka Bradley butcher? It's funny ... if Bradley has an ATGM ...
          1. -3
            April 20 2023 19: 40
            ATGM and 54 do not add for long, and the skin will be thicker
        3. +23
          April 20 2023 08: 48
          Bradley will detect and destroy the T-54 long before he realizes what is happening.
        4. -18
          April 20 2023 09: 26
          Compare a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle ... How could you even think of it? You are there with your excuses at least update the manuals.
          1. -1
            April 20 2023 17: 55
            Well, they compare the T54 and Abrams (and they tell how the T54 will win), why can’t you compare it with Bradley
        5. -2
          April 20 2023 15: 14
          So the 25mm Bushmaster has under 100mm per 1000m of penetration with its BOPS, they were invented to destroy, including old tanks. BOPS, by the way, are what 2A42 and 2A72 are still lacking, their AP shells do not even take 50mm. And by the way, 30mm guns on Western infantry fighting vehicles imply their use against tanks from the T-72 along the sides and undercarriage, for the MK30 110mm, for the Bofors 40 140mm BOPS at 1000m they take a steel plate at a 60 degree slope, near the T-72 and T- 90, respectively, about 80mm + screens. On tests of the MK30, rollers, tank racks and other modules of the T-72 shot and pierced the BO into the side, 1500m / s 15cm thick with a felt-tip pen, like sandblasting. So to fight on the T-55 against Bradley is suicide. It’s ideal to hit the side from an ambush, then yes, but on the opposite side Bradley will see and start shelling earlier and Bradley’s muzzle holds all the T-55 shells, at least those that are in service with the T-55, this muzzle was created taking into account the hit T-55, because in active time Bradley T-55 was the biggest topic, US activity in BV and the presence of thousands of T-55s among the Arabs.
          1. +2
            April 20 2023 16: 15
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Bradley's muzzle holds all the T-55 shells, at least those that are in service with the T-55, this muzzle was created taking into account the T-55 hit

            I myself love kowtowing before the West, but there is too much. Bradley's forehead is designed for medium-caliber guns, but not tank ones. Even old ones.
            1. -2
              April 20 2023 19: 43
              The forelocks have everything Western, this is a super wunderwaffle.
              And he writes as if he himself saw
            2. -2
              April 20 2023 23: 38
              Quote: Negro
              Bradley's forehead is designed for medium-caliber guns

              But what, does the 100mm T-55 gun have outstanding powerful BOPS? There is no more than 200mm (like 130mm even) per km. Medium caliber guns take a minimum of 110mm from a 30mm MK30 or Bushmaster and 140mm from a 40mm Bofors steel plate at a 60 degree angle. Bradley's muzzle holds the shelling of 30mm BOPS according to the terms of reference, already significantly, and the modern 30mm BOPS is already close to the T-55 BOPS in terms of penetration. Already an infantry fighting vehicle of 35 tons can be made protected from a sudden meeting with the T-55, which they did. It is also apparently customary for some to compare the known thickness of the armor of aluminum infantry fighting vehicles 3 with steel Bradleys, which were originally made as heavy infantry fighting vehicles, and then hung with additional armor precisely from the experience of using them next to these T-55s. The expression "low worship of the West" can only arise in the head of a lover of entertaining programs from TV Zvezda.
          2. +1
            April 20 2023 17: 42
            Always wondered where to see these tests clearly, in which a 30mm fart punches through 80mm armor plates at a distance of 1000m?
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              0
              April 20 2023 18: 03
              Quote: cast iron
              Always wondered where to see these tests clearly, in which a 30mm fart punches through 80mm armor plates at a distance of 1000m?

              IN HERE...
            2. +1
              April 20 2023 23: 45
              Quote: cast iron
              Always wondered where to see these tests clearly, in which a 30mm fart punches through 80mm armor plates at a distance of 1000m?

              So look for the performance characteristics of the BK 30mm BOPS for the MK30, which, for example, the Germans put on their Puma, or the Lanz towers. I can advise you on an ancient video, from the beginning of the 2000s, where the Swedes presented their SV9040 and clearly showed how their machine with a 40mm BOPS 140mm sews a steel plate at an angle. I would not call these guns farts, nevertheless, the FCS, stabilizers and ammo allow you to work up to 3 km accurately and with high lethality.
              1. +1
                April 21 2023 12: 18
                I'm not interested in promotional brochures. I'm interested in field trials. For example, the old T-55 case is taken and shot from all projections with a 30mm fart. Everything that I have seen similar on the Internet confidently shows that for tank armor 30 mm is a fart. There are tests of 6 barreled 30mm volcano guns on an old Soviet van tank at a distance of about 500 m to the side. There was no stay, although bursts were fired.
                1. 0
                  April 21 2023 12: 56
                  I'm not interested in promotional brochures. I'm interested in field trials.

                  For you personally, "thirty" is like a mosquito bite, you are so impenetrable.
                  Everything that I have seen similar on the Internet confidently shows that for tank armor 30 mm is a fart.

                  And the video from Mariupol, when the BTR-4 shoots the MTO T-72, was missed? Much more natural.
                  There are tests of 6 barreled 30mm volcano guns on an old Soviet van tank at a distance of about 500 m to the side. There was no stay, although bursts were fired.

                  What, OFS? wassat
                  1. +1
                    April 21 2023 15: 15
                    "For you personally, thirty is like a mosquito bite, you are so impenetrable."

                    Shall we get personal, or do you have something more constructive to say?

                    "And the video from Mariupol, when the BTR-4 shoots the MTO T-72, was missed? Much more natural."

                    I saw one video from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where they are filming the screen of the BTR4 television sight. In this video, the Ukronazis are shooting at an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier (I don’t remember exactly) and then at a tank. And most importantly, there are no results of firing at the tank. Well, they are not here and that's it. Do you have any results? Show. Drop the link.

                    "What, OFS?"

                    For starters, I forgot. The gun on the A-10 is called the GAU-8. It has in its ammunition load 80% of armor-piercing 30mm PGU-14 / B sub-caliber shells with a depleted uranium core. The penetration of the T-62 at the training ground was only from the upper hemisphere. On the side, and even more so in the forehead, the tank did not make its way with these shells.

                    Do you have something to say in essence?
        6. +5
          April 20 2023 17: 53
          They also said about the T62 that they were not going to use it as a tank, but they did.
          1. -1
            April 20 2023 19: 44
            Can you give an example or is this your guess?
        7. 0
          April 20 2023 21: 22
          But the T-55s have already encountered Bradley. And they carved the "teshek" under the nut.
          1. +1
            April 20 2023 21: 45
            Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
            But the T-55s have already encountered Bradley. And they carved the "teshek" under the nut.

            Will there be evidence?
            1. 0
              April 20 2023 22: 34
              US-Iraq War in the early 21st century. Read about the use of ATGMs on Iraqi tanks.
        8. -2
          April 22 2023 16: 09
          Saloed, no one is going to use it as a tank, but as a mobile firing point - very much so, and the security is much better than that of your Bradleys, and it separates them like a nut.

          There are a lot of them here. See how they downvote. This one doesn't even deny it.
        9. 0
          April 26 2023 23: 13
          If the T-55 is better than Bradley, then what is the argument about?
      2. +2
        April 20 2023 11: 56
        Those who otherwise would have walked without a tank. From the fact that modern tanks, apparently, are not enough, the combat missions do not change.
    2. +7
      April 20 2023 07: 47
      You see
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      It is quite obvious that at least some kind of tank (sau / xs) is better than none. A thousand T-72s is good. But a thousand T-72 + a thousand T-55 is better.

      I will answer you that even 1000 T-72 + 100500 T-55 is no better than 1000 T-72 ... there is such an old thing as the world, called PG-7V (there are newer, lighter and more dangerous versions) - the very first cumulative shot for RPG -7 ... 1961, 200 mm penetration, which is enough for such t-54/55s in almost any projection ... Of course, you can answer that for a shot from an RPG-7 you still need to get within the distance of a shot, etc., etc. ... yes, you need to deliver the PG to the tank, but it’s not necessary to approach ... there are such videos:

      The cost of fuel in the tank is more than this drone, not to mention the crew in the car…
    3. +11
      April 20 2023 17: 51
      In 1915, due to the lack of weapons, the issue of arming soldiers with halberds was considered. Well, is it really better than fighting with a shovel handle? Or maybe you still need to prepare for the war in advance? We were told that we had been preparing for 8 years
      1. +2
        April 20 2023 22: 35
        We were getting ready. Aurus out armored designed and released :)
  3. -2
    April 20 2023 06: 23
    captured the same T-54. Therefore, to say .., prematurely.
    so, the author, decide, is it premature or the time of the article for many letters?
    1. +8
      April 20 2023 06: 39
      Echelons of T-54/55 are going to the NVO zone, judging by the photos in military publics. A real Stalinist tank. The T-54/55 tanks are armed with a 100 mm D-10T cannon in various versions. This gun also worked on German Tiger and Panther tanks during the Battle of Lake Balaton in 1945, then it was installed on the SU-100.



      1. -11
        April 20 2023 08: 37
        And what is it, the area is smeared, maybe because there is no question of any SVO?
        Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
        Echelons of T-54/55 go to the NVO zone, judging by the photographs in military publics.
        And "military publics" these pig-faced? That is how it is...
        1. +2
          April 20 2023 10: 07
          The terrain is fine, but the repairs are not read already interesting.
          For smeared marking the timing of repairs, which is strange.
          1. 0
            April 20 2023 10: 35
            Quote: saigon
            The terrain is fine, but the repairs are not read already interesting.

            Are you talking about platforms?
          2. -2
            April 20 2023 12: 05
            Quote: saigon
            but the repairs are not read already interesting.

            Look at the date on the platform

            1. 0
              April 20 2023 23: 00
              Yes, the platform, unlike what is on it, is very fresh.
  4. -10
    April 20 2023 06: 27
    Oh come on!
    So let's say the MT-12 and others like them towed in positions, this is good, but self-propelled and mobile, and protected - bad ?!
    Where is the logic? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    1. +9
      April 20 2023 06: 36
      Quote: 75Sergey
      So let's say the MT-12 and others like them towed in positions, this is good, but self-propelled and mobile, and protected - bad ?!

      non-brothers, out, they put a "rapier" on the "motorcycle league", and nothing better than ship towers.

    2. -3
      April 20 2023 06: 53
      The comparison is not correct like an adding machine and a computer
  5. +8
    April 20 2023 06: 29
    Shells of caliber 100 mm in warehouses must be available for at least six months of the SVO. In the Kuril Islands, PULAD replaced the T-2010 tank with more modern ones only in 55.



    1. -4
      April 20 2023 08: 46
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      Echelons of T-54/55 go to the NVO zone, judging by the photos in the military public


      Loading by crane, the car is clearly not on the move. It goes to the NWO zone, you say? Oh well Yes

      Public photo, you say?

      - the car is not fixed, practically. About the bars between the skating rinks is not necessary, I see ... it will not be enough
      - the car is not wrapped. This is a new fashion in transportation, I guess. Or a tarp in short supply
      - the background is blurred, on all photos. Where, what is happening - it is not clear.

      I would not consider the photos you cited as indisputable evidence of the direction of the T-54 "to the NVO zone" wink
      1. -1
        April 20 2023 13: 03
        Quote: Repellent
        Loading by crane, the car is clearly not on the move. It goes to the NWO zone, you say? Oh well

        Photo taken in 2010, T-55 being transported from the Kuril Islands to a storage base. Tanks are in good condition. On the trunk of one of the T-55s there is an inscription "Kunashir".
        Tarpaulins are in short supply.
        The background is blurred on purpose, the public "War, Istria, weapons" is Russian, admin Fedorov recently returned from Latvia after a trial.

        Link to train video
        [media=https://youtube.com/shorts/ocM3VpAdTcA?feature=share]
        1. 0
          April 20 2023 13: 44
          On rutube, they also posted a video of the echelon
  6. -7
    April 20 2023 06: 33
    Armored anti-tank self-propelled guns with a rotating turret and a rifled gun - why not?
    1. -10
      April 20 2023 07: 09
      Quote: Pavel73
      with a rotating turret and a rifled gun - why not?

      rifled - means the speed of the projectile is relatively low. Armor penetration suffers.
    2. +18
      April 20 2023 07: 30
      Because the commanders on the ground will use it exactly like a tank. All our couch tactical and strategic delights are broken into rubbish about the realities of NWO.
    3. +8
      April 20 2023 08: 00
      Quote: Pavel73
      Armored anti-tank self-propelled guns with a rotating turret and a rifled gun - why not?

      Antitank??? Well, only if the French wheeled AMX-10 wunderwaffles or Ukrainian shushpanzers trample against them. And against real modern tanks, like the Soviet T-64 and above, like the Leo or the Challenger, the little fluff is rather weak. Still, different generations and weight categories.
      But against infantry and related armor, even the BTR-60, even the Bradley, that’s it, especially if the hull is covered by a trench, and try to hit the turret with something armor-piercing enough.
      1. 0
        April 20 2023 08: 24
        And we must not forget that at the time of the creation of the T-54 and T-55 there were still neither mass cheap drones, nor field counter-battery radars, nor normal reconnaissance satellites that give a picture in real time. All this turns even an old rifled cannon into a very formidable weapon. Maybe she will not break through the armor of the timely discovered Abrams, but to immobilize him - for sure. And this is already half the battle.
        1. Alf
          +2
          April 20 2023 18: 09
          Quote: Pavel73
          And we must not forget

          Right.
          It is only necessary to remember that
          Quote: Pavel73
          mass cheap drones, no field counter-battery radars, no normal reconnaissance satellites that give a picture in real time.
          и
          Quote: Pavel73
          old rifled gun
          in NWO are on opposite sides ...
      2. +3
        April 20 2023 09: 59
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: Pavel73
        Armored anti-tank self-propelled guns with a rotating turret and a rifled gun - why not?

        Antitank??? Well, only if the French wheeled AMX-10 wunderwaffles or Ukrainian shushpanzers trample against them. And against real modern tanks, like the Soviet T-64 and above, like the Leo or the Challenger, the little fluff is rather weak. Still, different generations and weight categories.
        But against infantry and related armor, even the BTR-60, even the Bradley, that’s it, especially if the hull is covered by a trench, and try to hit the turret with something armor-piercing enough.


        Dropped from the drone + roofers, even without that, enough.
        It would be nice if these tanks were unmanned, but our guys will sit there.
      3. -2
        April 20 2023 21: 31
        Quote: Nagan
        And against real modern tanks


        Yes, if only modern. She was already against the M60 was not very good. Yet the roots come from the Italian project of the 1920s...
    4. +10
      April 20 2023 09: 09
      Quote: Pavel73
      Armored anti-tank self-propelled guns with a rotating turret and a rifled gun - why not?
      Because at the present time it is not armored and not anti-tank.
  7. -8
    April 20 2023 06: 34
    Therefore, it is premature to talk about how many and, most importantly, in what capacity these tanks arrived in the Zaporozhye region.
    Was there a boy?
    1. +22
      April 20 2023 07: 31
      laughing the same was said about the T-62, and the boy was not only, but already in the NWO zone.
  8. -29
    April 20 2023 06: 37
    Aren't you tired of one more thing and also taldychit day after day? That with 62 kami for two months every day they pumped up, now 54 kami went into action. This "news" was already a week ago. Nothing more to rant about? The stuffing has been done, now it will rush again - the bottom, the bottom, the disgrace .... Don't mumble the bags. What are your specific suggestions? Excluding the gallows and firing squads on Rublyovka.)))) And a question for the especially advanced: why is outdated equipment in storage? Why not immediately into open-hearth for remelting? Look at the same states, at the EU, there, too, all this is worth the fields beyond the horizon and is waiting in the wings to finally shake the old days. This is the mob. a reserve in order to take an unprepared citizen or one who served, for example, during the time of Marshal Ustinov, and at least equip them with something. And not send him with SCS and two F1s to war. For the second echelon, it will do quite well.
    1. +12
      April 20 2023 07: 04
      Quote from: lukash66
      Mumbling not tossing bags

      Are you talking about 78% of new technology? You write everything correctly, but ... Where, for example, is Almaty? But what about "there will be no mobilization"? Have you already determined the equipment for the mobilized? And, in your opinion, they mobilize people so that they can be quickly destroyed, since you are ready to identify any junk to help them?
      1. -18
        April 20 2023 07: 15
        First of all, they update the Strategic Missile Forces, air defense and, to the best of their ability, aviation. Do you have any complaints about our air defense? The answer I foresee is yes. Arrives. But it is impossible to cover absolutely everything. There are no air defense systems here. That is why we are tapping our fingers here, we are having discussions. And there, behind the hill, they know it. Otherwise, we would all be sitting in the cellars now, with oil lamps scribbling notes for carrier pigeons with a pencil.
        1. +24
          April 20 2023 07: 43
          Quote from: lukash66
          First of all, they update the Strategic Missile Forces, air defense and, to the best of their ability, aviation. Do you have any complaints about our air defense? The answer I foresee is yes. Arrives. But it is impossible to cover absolutely everything. There are no air defense systems here. That is why we are tapping our fingers here, we are having discussions. And there, behind the hill, they know it. Otherwise, we would all be sitting in the cellars now, with oil lamps scribbling notes for carrier pigeons with a pencil.

          To all the splendor of recent decades, some have learned to justify everything, famously find or invent excuses. Bravo!
          1. -15
            April 20 2023 07: 54
            I asked you, do you have specific proposals? Well, there to send you personally and your humble servant to the machines at the factories of the military-industrial complex, in the Moscow Region, General Staff, or at worst, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Central Bank?))))
            1. +3
              April 20 2023 14: 34
              Quote from: lukash66
              I asked you, do you have specific proposals?

              I already answered. About excuses.
              Quote from: lukash66
              Well, there to send you personally and your humble servant to the machines at the factories of the military-industrial complex, in the Moscow Region, General Staff, or at worst, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Central Bank?))))
              And this is what I'm waiting for, when? But, apparently, they think that everything is still safe there.
            2. -6
              April 20 2023 14: 57
              They have no suggestions, only new instructions
              This is zhzhzhzh not with a simple (c). This new method has been published for a long time.
          2. 0
            April 21 2023 01: 43
            This great skill, to be able to prove that hanging is better than standing
        2. +1
          April 21 2023 01: 42
          "First of all, they are updating the Strategic Missile Forces and Air Defense", they also said about the army that they are also updating more than 70% of new equipment. Are you not afraid of the thought that there was exactly the same modernization in the Strategic Missile Forces and Air Defense?
      2. +4
        April 20 2023 15: 26
        Are you talking about 78% of new technology?

        We have already written that these percentages are about the peacetime army.
        But what about "there will be no mobilization"?

        I don’t know, they say that they are now very actively recruiting volunteers for a contract .. If they recruit as many as they need, then yes, there will be no wave of emergency mobilization, but the creeping / hidden one goes on and does not stop.
        1. 0
          April 21 2023 01: 47
          What kind of balancing act with the words 78% of the peacetime army, and 70 years of equipment in the wartime army? Well, we are now in peacetime, no one has declared war on anyone (so that it would be possible to trade further)
    2. +20
      April 20 2023 07: 04
      Quote from: lukash66
      Aren't you tired of one more thing and also taldychit day after day? That with 62 kami for two months every day they pumped up, now 54 kami went into action. This "news" was already a week ago. Nothing more to rant about? The stuffing has been done, now it will rush again - the bottom, the bottom, the disgrace .... Don't mumble the bags. What are your specific suggestions? Excluding the gallows and firing squads on Rublyovka.)))) And a question for the especially advanced: why is outdated equipment in storage? Why not immediately into open-hearth for remelting? Look at the same states, at the EU, there, too, all this is worth the fields beyond the horizon and is waiting in the wings to finally shake the old days. This is the mob. a reserve in order to take an unprepared citizen or one who served, for example, during the time of Marshal Ustinov, and at least equip them with something. And not send him with SCS and two F1s to war. For the second echelon, it will do quite well.

      It’s worth making as much noise as possible, otherwise a summons will come tomorrow and you will go on an attack on Abrams in a dashing T-34 removed from the monument. wassat
      1. -29
        April 20 2023 07: 40
        No matter how old I am and so far I’m probably not included in the plans of the Moscow Region. It was under Marshal Ustinov that I served urgently. I’m just wondering, how do you imagine, to take and shove three men from the reserve, about forty years old, into the T90M? And God forbid in T14? One contractor has already crap himself on Red Square and not even in battle. And at the parade rehearsal.
        1. +3
          April 21 2023 01: 52
          “I’m already old and I don’t go into the plans of the Moscow Region anymore,” perhaps this explains your loyal attitude to what is happening? It’s not for you to fight on this technique. The farther away from mobilization, the more actively we support and justify the presence of old equipment on the battlefield.
    3. -19
      April 20 2023 07: 27
      You know, I have been on this site for a long time, half a year already, maybe more, I am writing what you wrote about. There are people who work, and there are those who are looking for the guilty ones. Here there are a lot of second ones. Most of them have general epaulettes, they have motivation, more pluses, higher rank, so you have to be either on the agenda (everything is gone, everyone was dragged away), or quickly write a slogan in the forefront of comments, immediately pluses and a higher rating. In short, everything is as in the media.
      Do not pay attention to them, these will soon sit on the benches near the entrance, what to take from them. Well, either the Ukrainians or their admirers made their way here.
      There is a fuss around the entire perimeter of the Russian Federation, where the main one will be, no one knows (on this site for sure), hohlandia is the beginning. I’m only for if the old equipment from the bases to the front is the only thing to use for its intended purpose, taking into account aging))) Like why let out a grandfather a hundred meters, it’s better to walk 10 km.
      1. +1
        April 23 2023 05: 00
        Imagine that you came to a restaurant, you were fed with slop, and in response to your indignation, they began to give a demagogic lecture that "recently sofa critics have divorced, that it is beneficial for every restaurant to work well so as not to lose customers, and before you criticize, get settled work as a cook, but the fact that instead of fresh food they bring spoiled food is good, otherwise they will completely rot in warehouses, because it is better to eat half-rotten food than not to eat at all "
    4. man
      +6
      April 20 2023 17: 54
      What are your specific suggestions? Excluding gallows and firing squads on Rublyovka.))))
      There is a proposal to add guillotines to the above
      1. +3
        April 20 2023 21: 25
        Quote: mann
        What are your specific suggestions? Excluding gallows and firing squads on Rublyovka.))))
        There is a proposal to add guillotines to the above
        It won't work ... - guillotine foreign technology, and we Import substitution = chopping block with an ax...
        "joke"...
        fellow
        1. 0
          April 21 2023 07: 33
          the guillotine is a foreign technique, but we have import substitution = block with an ax
          laughing
          This is the Middle Ages!
          I was recently offered chainsaws here.
  9. -3
    April 20 2023 06: 37
    I think they were sent due to the fact that there are shells for these tanks. No one is going to send these tanks to the frontal, and they can work well with fragmentation infantry. They can work well with BMPs like Brdley, and rather they have been modernized, they didn’t send them rusty from the warehouse. At least they underwent some kind of modernization, and they will put tankers on them who else served in the USSR and knows these tanks
    These tanks are not much worse than the same T-72s if they are upgraded.
    The main problem in the army now is the shortage of shells. They send junk to the army for another reason, this is a large amount of ammunition in warehouses, no one spent this ammunition, they are now apparently in boxes in anti-corrosion grease
    1. -9
      April 20 2023 07: 06
      Unfortunately, our jingoistic patriots are not able to understand this. Now, by magic, take and rivet 20 thousand T14 and 40 thousand T90M. Whom to put on them? And how many reservists have the idea and skills to use at least the T90 of the first series?
      1. +12
        April 20 2023 10: 26
        New technology is easier to learn. Electronic assistants make everything much easier. It is on the T-54 that you will teach young people to turn the handles for a year and do calculations in their heads to anticipate the goal. And it’s not a fact that you will learn how to.
      2. +9
        April 20 2023 11: 09
        A simple question: why didn’t Armat and T-90M riveted earlier? What prevented you from preparing in advance?
        1. -3
          April 20 2023 12: 45
          There is, of course, no answer here. Didn't expect it to be like that. I agree, there is a clear miscalculation of the leadership. But now we have to react somehow. I already wrote above that framed divisions were even provided for in the USSR, specifically for reservists and equipment from STORAGE. The stump is clear that it is not for use in the first echelon.
          1. +7
            April 21 2023 02: 10
            What does no answer mean? Miscalculated? Didn't count? Not prepared? Have we been lied to again? Were we led by the nose? Well, now what can you do, so it happened! - What is it?!?!? I don't even have swear words! WHAT IT IS!?!?? For you, these excuses are rolling?!?! Who are you justifying? That is, there are people who were supposed to be responsible for certain actions to prepare the country for war !!!! On the organization of industry !!!! Now these people are doing very well, and they send what they send to the front! And you, like Samuel Jackson in the role of House Niger, write exculpatory posts here - SO IT HAPPENED! What happened!? What did the "budgets master" and the military factories closed?! Tell me, everyone who is present here, at your work you will fill up the assignment given to you, you will be given such excuses, "Well, it happened, what can you do now?" - No, you will be fired with such explanations and failed work! "Who was he punished? Why are there citizens who JUSTIFY any failure of the leadership!?!? Anything, any nonsense, Several hundred billion on foreign accounts were frozen -" It happened! "
      3. +8
        April 20 2023 14: 44
        Quote from: lukash66
        by magic, take and rivet 20 thousand T14 and 40 thousand T90M. Whom to put on them? And how many reservists have the idea and skills to use at least the T90 of the first series?

        And they were needed not now at a wave, but strongly BEFORE. And for the second part, to whom to entrust this equipment: answer, how Ukrainians are trusted with modern NATO weapons systems, who and how much trains them. You might have to learn for a long time, and most - much faster than you think. Where did you get the conviction that 40-year-olds - young, in fact, men - are stupid and not trainable? I somehow meet more with other qualities. It seems that the trenches do not threaten you and do not shine, so you are ready to send any junk there and justify any omissions?
      4. 0
        April 20 2023 21: 36
        And how is it that Ukrainians are preparing people in a short time to use not just new, but generally foreign equipment that was created for a different army with a different doctrine?
        1. -5
          April 20 2023 21: 47
          Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
          And how are Ukrainians preparing people in a short time to use not just new, but generally foreign equipment

          Have fun cooking, with a spark:

    2. -12
      April 20 2023 08: 04
      Quote from Alexwar
      They send junk to the army for another reason, this is a large amount of ammunition in warehouses, no one spent this ammunition, they are now apparently in boxes in anti-corrosion grease

      And sooner or later they will still have to be disposed of. So why not use it for its intended purpose, at least with some (I hope) benefit?
      1. +14
        April 20 2023 09: 12
        Quote: Nagan
        And sooner or later they will still have to be disposed of. So why not use it for its intended purpose, at least with some (I hope) benefit?
        Because tankers are being disposed of along with them. 4 people per piece of iron.
    3. +18
      April 20 2023 09: 17
      Quote from Alexwar
      Nobody is going to send these tanks to the frontal
      Who told you this? On LBS it will be like this: are you a tank? Attack! And such crap has always been, and not only with tanks. Won - at one time they made battlecruisers, battleship guns and weak (by battleship standards) armor. They also said: "high-speed wing of the squadron." And how did it come to the battle ... Battleship caliber? In line! And they screwed...
      1. +1
        April 20 2023 18: 12
        Quote: bk0010
        On LBS it will be like this: are you a tank? Attack!

        In a trench on the defensive, they may well come in handy, like a pillbox. Moreover, the pillbox is mobile, if more trenches have been dug than in the presence of tanks. And if they are sent to attack in an open field under the fire of all anti-tank weapons, then the one who ordered will answer. Not only before the higher command, but first of all before his conscience, and God, if he believes. However, is it much better to send bare infantry without any armor support from the word "absolutely"?
        1. -1
          April 20 2023 19: 22
          Quote: Nagan
          In a trench on the defensive, they may well come in handy, like a pillbox
          They can’t: a drone will fly in with an RPG grenade and that’s it. And the tank is motionless (aka pillbox), there is little chance of missing. For the T-55, you need to do a normal pillbox.
          Quote: Nagan
          Not only before the higher command, but first of all before his conscience, and God, if he believes.
          Somehow not impressive. It is better to send today's strategists to carry out their plans for the LBS, personally, in the forefront. Maybe then they'll start thinking.
          Quote: Nagan
          However, is it much better to send bare infantry without any armor support from the word "absolutely"?
          For the infantry and the T-26 is better than nothing, but better than the T-72 (at least), there were thousands of them.
    4. -2
      April 20 2023 10: 21
      How are you so sure that they won’t be sent to the front if the infantry is stupidly sent without any support, and their dill is rolled out in a tank like the Germans in the forty-first
    5. 0
      April 26 2023 23: 08
      tankers will be put on them who else served in the USSR and knows these tanks

      Is it those who are over 50 years old already? And there will be many of these, with normal health ???
  10. -24
    April 20 2023 06: 38
    cars can still be quite active and qualitatively strengthen the defended areas, firing from these positions at the enemy and changing them in a timely manner.

    The old horse will not spoil the furrow. I wonder if it will be one or more? Where is it "dug up"? Or simply did not want to spend money on recycling?
    1. +6
      April 20 2023 07: 11
      Quote: Egoza
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow.

      Won't plow deep laughing And given that it is necessary to be prepared for a multi-year world war, all this is rather sad ...
  11. +14
    April 20 2023 06: 38
    Even older than the “sixty-two: T-54 tanks drove into the special operation zone

    Yah?!
    Wait for Shoigu's departure to the parade on the "goat" ...
    1. +8
      April 20 2023 07: 43
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Shoigu's departure to the parade on the "goat" ...

      He bought 100 T-34s! I began to be tormented by vague suspicions recourse
    2. +4
      April 20 2023 08: 30
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Even older than the “sixty-two: T-54 tanks drove into the special operation zone

      Yah?!
      Wait for Shoigu's departure to the parade on the "goat" ...

      It will be cooler if on a white horse. It can fall like a cuckoo on the paving stones .......
    3. -11
      April 20 2023 08: 43
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Wait for Shoigu's departure to the parade on the "goat" ...

      Vasilich, judging by your comments, you are a generalist ... and an economist, and a military leader, and even, as it turned out, a naval commander!
      I have just one question, why didn't you go to study at a military school?
      1. +3
        April 20 2023 11: 43
        Quote: Serg65
        Sergei

        Seryoga, why did you go to a military school? You are the smartest, right?
        1. 0
          April 20 2023 13: 34
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Seryoga, why did you go to a military school?

          Well, not everyone, Vova, to mow down from the army, someone had to defend their homeland!
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          You are the smartest, right?

          No, not the smartest, we have the smartest talkers, squinting as defenders of the disadvantaged people!
          1. -1
            April 20 2023 13: 55
            Quote: Serg65
            Well, not everyone, Vova, to mow down from the army, someone had to defend their homeland!

            Did you know how to defend your Motherland?
            1. +2
              April 20 2023 14: 52
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Did you know how to defend your Motherland?

              Yes, you had to, what you can’t do for the sake of the kid in Novomoskovsk calmly eating vodka!
              I even have a medal for saving drowning people wink laughing
              1. -2
                April 20 2023 16: 23
                Quote: Serg65
                I even have a medal for saving drowning people

                I have two of these medals.
    4. +13
      April 20 2023 10: 28
      People like Shoigu drive Mercedes and Aurus. And we and our children will go to fight on the T-54.
    5. +2
      April 20 2023 12: 24
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Even older than the “sixty-two: T-54 tanks drove into the special operation zone

      Yah?!
      Wait for Shoigu's departure to the parade on the "goat" ...

      It will not be convenient to be baptized on the "goat", and the cap will fly off, it's shaking.
  12. -2
    April 20 2023 06: 39
    You can make plans for their optimal use, but life has its own way. And nothing more will come to mind, except for "we wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
    1. 0
      April 21 2023 02: 22
      Be sure that those who need it turned out better (for themselves), and for everyone else - as always
  13. -1
    April 20 2023 06: 50
    Information about the availability of ammunition is now secret, then they may be told. I think most warehouses are empty. The front lines in Ukraine are hundreds of kilometers away, shells are needed everywhere. Initially, even 250 thousand people were not enough for this operation.
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZCVh-uWQ9SyHxVgp
    The T-55 has a good rifled gun, which hits very accurately up to 3 kilometers, no one will attack on these tanks, but they can be used as a defense. If they are well modernized, with aiming systems, night vision, they can hit well accurately
  14. +5
    April 20 2023 06: 50
    Soon, somewhere in the taiga, they will dig out the T-34-85 and go to the front, and that he has not yet rotted to holes, let him fight, remember his youth.
    1. -29
      April 20 2023 07: 34
      With a competent approach, the T-34 can do good things, for 80 years of inactivity, she has not forgotten how to mow down the Nazis.
      1. +17
        April 20 2023 10: 30
        Right! We will put into the T-34 and T-55 mobilized pre-pensioners aged 50 and older. Well, so that they definitely didn’t live up to retirement ...
        1. -1
          April 21 2023 02: 24
          Well, just such "pensioners" most of all justify sending vintage equipment to the NWO zone. Well, let them ride on it.
      2. +1
        April 21 2023 17: 19
        Quote: 75Sergey
        With a competent approach, the T-34 can do good things, for 80 years of inactivity, she has not forgotten how to mow down the Nazis.

        In museums, you can scrape together cannons of the 16-18 century and send them to the front; over the centuries of storage, they have not forgotten how to shoot at enemies. and even cores for them can be found, and new ones are easy to produce.

        Anything can be justified with this kind of logic.
  15. -7
    April 20 2023 07: 13
    They will be used as firing points, which is relevant in the light of the Ukrainian offensive. The enemy has infantry fighting vehicles in the forefront, not tanks. However, infantry fighting vehicles carry anti-tank missiles, but in any case, small-caliber rapid-fire guns will not penetrate T54 / T55 armor. Moreover, the tanks will be dug in. This is in any way better than just a fighter in a trench with an anti-tank grenade launcher, who will be poured with fire from rapid-fire cannons and bombarded with mines from above. It all depends on their correct application.
    1. +33
      April 20 2023 07: 36
      Such a Leopard 2 rides, sees a T-54 standing. Says "gotcha" am And the T-54 corrects his glasses and in a boring voice answers "comrade, well, as much as possible, I'm not a tank, I'm a mobile firing point and I won't fight with you, go your own way and look for the T-90" laughing
      1. -19
        April 20 2023 08: 15
        Do not bring to the point of absurdity, i.e. in your illiterate opinion, every fighter should have weapons and protection for the hassle-free destruction of Abramych ?!

        Think narrowly.
        And don't forget about the adjective - ATGM

        Do not carry nonsense.
      2. +6
        April 20 2023 09: 10
        Leopard 2 embarrassedly apologizes and drives on. wassat Funny if it wasn't so sad.
      3. -5
        April 20 2023 10: 41
        Such a Leopard 2 rides, sees a T-54 standing. He says - "got caught" am And the T-54 corrects his glasses and in a boring voice answers "comrade, well, as much as possible, I'm not a tank, I'm a mobile firing point and I won't fight with you, go your own way and look for the T-90"

        Well, firstly, the aiming range of the T-54 gun is greater than that of the T-90M, and secondly, the rifled one is more accurate, and thirdly, if the T-54 hits the Leopard, then the safety of the optoelectronic devices of the latest tanks is highly questionable and the road may Leopard not to be found. Well, why does everyone send the T-54 into battle with tanks, it is better against infantry than infantry fighting vehicles, after all, 3 machine guns 7,62 and DShK.
        1. +9
          April 20 2023 10: 55
          Well, firstly, the aiming range of the T-54 gun is greater than that of the T-90M

          wassat Is it with TSh-2B (or which one, I don’t remember) and without a rangefinder? Oh well. Sighting range is more about the SLA.
          1. -4
            April 20 2023 12: 16
            Is it with TSh-2B (or which one, I don’t remember) and without a rangefinder? Oh well. Sighting range is more about the SLA.

            At least in terms of direct shot range, no SLAs are needed. Cumulative up to 3 meters, high-explosive fragmentation up to 000 meters, and it also has a 1100mm shrapnel projectile with 100 striking elements, which can deprive both Leopard and Abrams of all sight. Line of sight in the current locations of the NWO rarely exceeds a kilometer, not to mention the heaps and heights.
            1. +5
              April 20 2023 12: 39
              At least in terms of direct shot range, no SLAs are needed. Cumulative up to 3 meters, high-explosive fragmentation up to 000 meters, and it also has a 1100mm shrapnel projectile with 100 striking elements, which can deprive both Leopard and Abrams of all sight.

              Everything, all questions are removed.

              PS Do not read Wikipedia. And if you read - think that you are reading.
              1. -1
                April 20 2023 13: 26
                Don't read Wikipedia.

                Thanks for the advice, I suspect that you do not know other sources of information.
                1. +1
                  April 20 2023 13: 30
                  Thanks for the advice, I suspect that you do not know other sources of information.

                  1) Please
                  2) I know
                  3) Will you argue that in your message above, information from the Russian Wikipedia was not taken as a basis? This is immediately visible.
        2. -2
          April 20 2023 19: 30
          Chubaty Internet turned on, so they come off
  16. -24
    April 20 2023 07: 17
    Pensioners and sofa experts, they whine everything, they know how to do it, it’s a pity that they are all retired, work on a sofa or in a taxi, otherwise they would have defeated everyone long ago, not on the Armata, but on the T 95, there would already be thousands of them done, it's good that we have people who know how to do it.
    1. +20
      April 20 2023 09: 19
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Pensioners and sofa experts, they whine everything, they know how to do it, it’s a pity that they are all retired, work on a sofa or in a taxi, otherwise they would have defeated everyone long ago, not on the Armata, but on the T 95, there would already be thousands of them done, it's good that we have people who know how to do it.
      Exactly. But those who know have been retired, and those who lick are in charge.
    2. +11
      April 20 2023 11: 18
      Believe it or not, there are a lot of people and professionals who knew and know how to do it. Only they are not allowed to the leadership. They are uncomfortable. But to put in charge of a furniture seller or supply manager from Chukotka, then please
    3. +3
      April 20 2023 14: 51
      Quote: Pessimist22
      It's good that we have people who know how to do it.

      And now - this is how it should be?
  17. -20
    April 20 2023 07: 21
    As a mobile mobile firing point - even very personal, shot and screwed and counter-battery return fire - do not care!
    As a means of dealing with infantry and all sorts of Brads - it's normal,
    As an ersatz infantry fighting vehicle, it will also work - anyway, everyone rides on armor, and armored drags can be used for landing.
    And if you add 4 - 8 ATGMs to the tower, then you can also say hello to Leopard and Abramyches.

    Most of all here in the comments the wave is driven by forelock salo-eaters, and they do not hide this.
    The question is how to use it wisely, and here the salo-eaters are much more creative than we are in this matter.


    Don't whine, you need to use what you have wisely!
    1. +20
      April 20 2023 08: 26
      And you can also attach wings, and he will mow everyone right in flight, and MANPADS are not terrible for the flying T-54/55. The main thing is to use what is right!)
  18. +21
    April 20 2023 07: 28
    I consider it absolutely necessary to mobilize well-coordinated crews from the World of Tanks game throughout the country and put them on the BT-7.
    1. -14
      April 20 2023 07: 47
      Well, VSUki in Lisichansk,
      what was used and not whined
    2. +3
      April 20 2023 11: 53
      Better from War Thunder, where just bt5 and bt7m often make noise at the middle and even at the top ranks) How many leopards I stumbled on the bt1m can’t be counted, they even make their way in the forehead, there are enough vulnerabilities)
  19. +15
    April 20 2023 07: 49
    Is it weak for Gerasimov and Serdyukov to fight for half a year on this ageless classic? The leaders of them are so-so, maybe the tankers will turn out to be normal? And how the morale would grow!
    1. -9
      April 20 2023 08: 47
      Quote: Galleon
      And weakly to Gerasimov and Serdyukov

      Is it bad to go to the commander of the Pacific Fleet?
      1. +5
        April 20 2023 09: 16
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Galleon
        And weakly to Gerasimov and Serdyukov

        Is it bad to go to the commander of the Pacific Fleet?

        Am I asking?
        They won't call. I did not graduate from the Academy of the General Staff, and I have the third form of admission, not the first. For some reason, after 50, the ability to learn disappears. So I think it’s right that they won’t call.
        1. +2
          April 20 2023 10: 42
          Quote: Galleon
          Why does the ability to learn disappear after 50?

          Well, why, at the age of 51 I quite normally received a second degree.
          1. -1
            April 20 2023 14: 21
            I got the second top at 36. Apparently, my "box" filled up faster smile hi
            1. +2
              April 20 2023 14: 55
              Quote: Galleon
              Apparently, my "box" filled up faster

              laughing The box is filled depending on the desire, needs, and not on sports interest!
    2. +4
      April 20 2023 10: 26
      Serdyukov, what does it have to do with it? Can you suggest someone better?
      1. 0
        April 20 2023 19: 37
        What, the wrong ones are pecking, the customer from the "island" is not satisfied?
      2. 0
        April 20 2023 21: 42
        And for some reason there is a block here for this) Even Putin is more often scolded than a temple builder.
  20. +7
    April 20 2023 08: 03
    A couple of months ago, deliveries of the M113 taken out of storage, manufactured in the 60s, were promoted as the mind-blowing equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now, I don’t understand why yell about the supply of T55 to the NWO zone? Well, there is nothing more to put there in droves, NO !!!!! Which is better, the stronghold of a rifle company with standard weapons, where a couple of mortar crews, a couple of ATGMs and the rest in the face of AGS, RPG7, etc. , or, the same company with support for 3 - 6 T55 tanks? Let's ask any commander of such a company or fighter, and he will answer .... No one is going to allow Abrams or Leopard or even the T72 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at a distance of 1 - 000 m to the positions !!!! All this rampage of armor will be hit at the approaches from 1 to 500 km to our positions, tank attacks with Guderian's wedges should not be expected, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have so many tanks, therefore, it is unreasonable to consider the T4 exclusively, from the position of a tank duel.
    1. +11
      April 20 2023 08: 35
      Those who are responsible for the fact that "NO" are probably already under investigation, or what? I think that any company commander or fighter will be for the fact that no one can come close to his stronghold even without the T-55. And so everything can be justified. You can also justify carts. Well what? A mobile firing point, it doesn’t eat solarium, it is easily disguised, but if you put an ATGM, a machine gun and a mortar on it, then just do candy .... (sarcasm)
      1. -2
        April 20 2023 08: 49
        And who is responsible for the fact that NO????? At the time the SVO began, did we have tank units and formations not equipped with equipment? There was no reserve at the storage bases???? Where are the "guilty" here? Is someone guilty that they had to urgently put 300 under arms? Who is guilty of this and who is on trial? Is someone guilty that there are daily losses in equipment and hp on the battlefield? Who is on trial for this?
        1. +8
          April 20 2023 09: 33
          Are you saying that there are no culprits? There are no failures in reconnaissance, in planning, in tactics, in equipping the aircraft with UAVs and in communications, and so on.
          1. +2
            April 21 2023 07: 53
            Name Sister, NAME??!! Name the word in full??))))))) Come on?!.... You know who, name it!!!
    2. +5
      April 20 2023 09: 21
      Quote from Cap
      Well, there is nothing more to put there in droves, NO !!!!!
      And where is it all? After the USSR, 60000 tanks remained. Let's say 30000 of them were T-55s. Where are the others?
      1. -1
        April 20 2023 09: 27
        Something was sold, something went to replace those who developed the resource, something was supplied from 2014 to the LDNR to "miners and combine operators", went to Syria ..... how many years have passed after the USSR ??? Only during the NWO period, how much equipment was lost in battles?
      2. +3
        April 20 2023 12: 33
        Quote: bk0010
        And where is it all? After the USSR, 60000 tanks remained. Let's say 30000 of them were T-55s. Where are the others?

        I think this is a rhetorical question. Where they have long been clear. In the same place as "Tunguska" with "Shilki" from storage bases. Everything is sold and donated by our unparalleled "leaders" to burn in hell for eternity and their children up to the seventh generation.
      3. -2
        April 20 2023 15: 31
        Quote: bk0010
        And where is it all? After the USSR, 60000 tanks remained. Let's say 30000 of them were T-55s. Where are the others?

        On storage bases. 30+ years in snow and rain.



        1. 0
          April 21 2023 07: 54
          Do you know other storage options for equipment? Moreover, she was not needed .... no one was going to fight.
          1. -1
            April 21 2023 08: 53
            Quote from Cap
            Do you know other storage options for equipment? Moreover, she was not needed .... no one was going to fight.

            Store in the Desert as USA. Yes, and just wrap it in a tarpaulin and the safety will be much higher. Many ways to improve storage are possible.
            1. 0
              April 24 2023 11: 28
              You personally, when was the last time any piece of equipment was "wrapped" in a tarpaulin and put on the wound?))))
    3. -12
      April 20 2023 09: 38
      You communicate with stupid couch turbo patriots whose patriotism surprisingly combines with cowardice and stupidity.

      According to NATO satellite images, ours have installed many "concrete parapets" on the front line. This is a thick reinforced concrete slab to which a tank drives out and a closed caponier, where it hides from artillery.

      Because of the concrete slab, the T-54 will also win a duel with Leopard or Bradley. Leo or Bradley simply won't be able to break through his cover. Bradley is unlikely to survive a T-54 hit. The leopard is more likely to lose some of the instruments from getting OFS into it. Further, they will quickly finish him off even from the Fagots.

      In addition, it must be taken into account that 80% of the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are Humvees or very light old armored personnel carriers. The practice of fighting near Kherson showed that all such armor, when trying to land troops near our positions, dies from our tanks faster than even from ATGMs.

      Our turbo patriots are more of a threat to Ukrainians. There is no enemy more dangerous than a stupid coward
      1. +12
        April 20 2023 10: 24
        If there are concrete shelters on NATO satellite images, then there is no point in driving a tank into them. The shelter will be destroyed along with the tank, even before the approach of the attackers.
      2. -2
        April 20 2023 19: 52
        What, forelock, chtol connected tyrnet, eco rushes you.
        1. -2
          April 20 2023 21: 46
          They are recruited from Russian speakers. But the creator of the picture, judging by the "note", is not a Russian speaker.
    4. +5
      April 20 2023 11: 41
      with support for 3 - 6 T55 tanks? Let's ask any commander of such a company or soldier, and he will answer

      And let's ask any of the crews of these 3-6 tanks, what will they answer? You just don’t need to come close when you ask, otherwise they can show you with a gesture ...
      1. +5
        April 20 2023 12: 00
        Quote from solar
        And let's ask any of the crews of these 3-6 tanks

        My grandfather was a driver on the BT-7. Nemchura rolled their tank column into one or two .. The battalion fell into a German ambush.
    5. -1
      April 21 2023 17: 26
      Quote from Cap
      A couple of months ago, deliveries of the M113 taken out of storage, manufactured in the 60s, were promoted as the mind-blowing equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now, I don’t understand why yell about the supply of T55 to the NWO zone? Well, there is nothing more to put there in droves, NO !!!!! Which is better, the stronghold of a rifle company with standard weapons, where a couple of mortar crews, a couple of ATGMs and the rest in the face of AGS, RPG7, etc. , or, the same company with support for 3 - 6 T55 tanks? Let's ask any commander of such a company or fighter, and he will answer .... No one is going to allow Abrams or Leopard or even the T72 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at a distance of 1 - 000 m to the positions !!!! All this rampage of armor will be hit at the approaches from 1 to 500 km to our positions, tank attacks with Guderian's wedges should not be expected, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have so many tanks, therefore, it is unreasonable to consider the T4 exclusively, from the position of a tank duel.


      One thing is NATO's attitude towards Ukrainian alien mobiles as consumables. Another thing is the attitude of Russians to their own Russian guys as consumables. If Russia was supplying someone else's army, and not fighting its own, even the delivery of T-34 to the front would not have raised any questions.
      1. +2
        April 24 2023 11: 35
        Do you really have no idea what you are writing about, or are you pretending to be? Did we have T55 units and formations in service? You don't realize THAT THE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT the losses at the front are such that the reserves are already in the ranks, and the industry does not have time to fill the needs !!! What does it have to do with your guys!!! Therefore, what do they think about their guys, and try to send at least something to the front line!
  21. Hey
    -2
    April 20 2023 08: 19
    My suggestion for using the t-55 is as follows: we remove the turret with the gun, throw out everything from the inside except for the engine and the driver’s seat, hang the remote sensing, attach a mine trawl, equip the driver’s seat with the simplest automatic control - we get a semi-unmanned minelayer. The driver is used - when driving and moving to the LBS, and then as a drone operator.
    The tactics of use are as follows: the barrier is the first to go, it is very difficult to hit it, it has a low profile, it is also additionally armored, which reduces the likelihood of its defeat, even with some defeats, what will it be (an empty iron box). It is clear that the chassis, the engine are the most vulnerable elements (you can think of better protection). Then a tank moves behind him, covering the enemy with gun and machine gun fire. Behind him is the BMP and infantry.
    The task of the armored group is to reach the enemy positions through the minefield.
    The defeat of the debugger is not critical, the replacement of the engine or chassis will be eliminated in the field, and small holes in the hull do not need to be patched up like that.
  22. +4
    April 20 2023 08: 20
    Why keep them? Now is the time for them. Then only for remelting.
    1. 0
      April 20 2023 09: 08
      Quote from the author
      "Neither the range of fire, nor the guidance devices from the tank will make a self-propelled gun under any circumstances,"
      yes, the T-55 is not suitable for firing from a closed position and for breaking through the front line, but driving out from around the corner of the house (a shorter gun is easier to maneuver in urban areas) and firing their accurate rifled gun within line of sight is suitable, and against wheeled vehicles such as AMX-10RC is suitable, and then, with a weight of 36t, the patency is better than that of 72
      1. +11
        April 20 2023 09: 38
        As a tanker, which tank would you personally choose T-72/80/90 or T-54/55? And let's fight on chariots! Horses have a higher cross-country ability than any tank.
  23. 0
    April 20 2023 08: 36
    Well, what else is there to say?
    The Russian army of the 2020s becomes the army of the 1950s.
  24. +9
    April 20 2023 08: 51
    Quote: "They were, yes, it seems they floated away. Thanks to the policy of the past Minister of Defense, a lot of tanks were sent to scrap, including the modernized T-55s mentioned today."

    The former Minister of Defense has not been a minister for 10 years. Maybe we’ll still blame everything on Voroshilov? ... "The past Minister of Defense" should have looked into the Magic Crystal Ball Predicting the Future, and foresaw that after him there would be a New Minister who would conduct tank badmintons and breed 28-year-old generals in the Moscow Region rather than build new equipment?

    Quote: "But will they really fight on the T-54/55, throwing them into an attack on a heavily armed enemy?"

    For some reason, many do not take into account the option when a "heavily armed enemy" can attack these tanks with their more modern tanks and anti-tank weapons. And I think that's exactly what he'll do. And then what!? "Steps of Goodwill"?
    1. +4
      April 20 2023 09: 14
      "Regrouping with leveling the front lines." hi
  25. 0
    April 20 2023 08: 53
    Quote: Galleon
    Is it weak for Gerasimov and Serdyukov to fight for half a year on this ageless classic? The leaders of them are so-so, maybe the tankers will turn out to be normal? And how the morale would grow!

    And what does Serdyukov have to do with it!? He has not been a minister for 10 years.
    1. +2
      April 20 2023 09: 19
      Quote: Chack Wessel
      Quote: Galleon
      Is it weak for Gerasimov and Serdyukov to fight for half a year on this ageless classic? The leaders of them are so-so, maybe the tankers will turn out to be normal? And how the morale would grow!

      And what does Serdyukov have to do with it!? He has not been a minister for 10 years.

      I knew that according to Gerasimov there would be no objections))
    2. +3
      April 20 2023 09: 37
      But he doesn't sit!
      Each problem has a full name. and we know one campaign, and the chair and it is not far away, he did not fall down and did not die like the others.
      Let them take responsibility for their decisions.
      1. -2
        April 20 2023 21: 53
        Quote: 75Sergey
        But he doesn't sit!


        He won his war. As for his decisions, Shoigu stopped them all halfway. As a result, they didn’t do anything new, and they didn’t return to the old, but got a chimera that combines the worst of both.
  26. +11
    April 20 2023 08: 58
    "Therefore, it is not worth belittling the feat of our tankers, shedding blood and working on old and less protected vehicles."
    And no one belittles the feat of our tankers - because fighting now on 54/55 is really a feat. But 54/55 in the NWO of the SECOND Army of the World is "some kind of shame" (s).
  27. -3
    April 20 2023 09: 13
    Maybe ours, too, in this way launches dust in the eyes of the enemy? Probably not, but I'd like to..
    1. -1
      April 20 2023 20: 58
      If it is dust, then it should not taste like the blood of those who "distract the enemy."
      The Foreign Ministry should bluff, not the military
  28. +4
    April 20 2023 09: 27
    Yes, well, our geostrategists and drivers prepared the country for war with their hands. Huge stockpiles of rusting 72s cannot go into battle because they are not on the move, because there is no ammunition for them. Therefore, they send the T-55 into battle without any modernization, even without the cheapest tepak! They didn’t even bother to hang them with contact-1, there are simply no words. Thank God the T-44, Is-3 and T-10 managed to cut everything, otherwise they would have sent them into battle, always in our country they don’t give a damn about the lives of fighters, it’s just disgusting.
    1. +4
      April 20 2023 09: 44
      And another huge question, why were the best and most combat-ready modifications of the T-55 with KAZ, with additional armor, with a laser rangefinder and KUV, cut in the first place, and the most useless old and naked ones were left at storage bases? Who is responsible for this?
  29. +9
    April 20 2023 09: 37
    4000 T-72s were dismantled before my eyes. New. Staff members controlled - they cut the gun, cut a hole in the hull.
  30. +6
    April 20 2023 09: 43
    It is clear that it is not from a good life to use such old men. As they say - better than nothing, but worse than necessary. So there is a rather acute shortage of "armor" and they are trying to somehow compensate for it. And all the talk about the alternative use of these machines is just an attempt to wishful thinking.
    If you wanted to take it apart for spare parts, then why drag the entire "carcass" spending effort and money on it if you could do it at the storage site (well, or nearby)?
    Tanks are not particularly suitable for firing from closed positions, they are not "sharpened" for this. Yes, if you wish, of course you can, but the effectiveness will be so-so. Any ancient self-propelled guns can handle this much better, unless of course they are.
    Dig in on the defensive - well, it still didn’t go anywhere. But again, as already mentioned in the article, against more modern tanks, the fire of 100 mm guns is ineffective, and the range of target detection and aimed fire is clearly insufficient. That is, the enemy will be able to shoot such "firing points" from long distances with minimal risk to himself.
    In general, from all sides, the measure is clearly forced. Again, better than nothing...
  31. -7
    April 20 2023 09: 47
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Behind a concrete slab, the T-55 will win the battle
    And what about Western ATGMs that strike from above?


    TOW does not know how to hit from above. TOW Aero is quite small. In addition to TOW, the United States does not have long-range ATGMs. Javelin will not capture the tank behind the wall in the trench, because. it is not contrast in IR. From NLAW you can, only you come up to 300 meters under fire from pillboxes through a minefield and thorns, and even under fire from mortars.

    Old tanks inside the fortifications are classics of the genre and they are much more combat-ready than the crowd of paniuer fools here think

    In the rifled gun T-54 I see only pluses, because. it is rather smooth. The real targets will not be Leopards and Bradley. 80% of the armor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is Humvee and old armored personnel carriers. They will try to land troops 1 km from the line of defense. A stationary armored personnel carrier is a good target here.

    Yes, and Leo and Bradley, after receiving the OFS in the face, will go blind with a probability of 80%, even without breaking through. Just demolish the devices with fragments
    1. +3
      April 20 2023 10: 03
      TOW does not know how to hit from above. TOW Aero is quite small.

      Has been able to since the early 90s. Since TOW-2B Aero, this is a modification of TOW-2B. Which, well, not at all.
      From NLAW you can, only you come within 300 meters

      Multiply your number two and a half times.
    2. 0
      April 20 2023 11: 45
      FPV drone with an RPG grenade - and no javelins are needed ...
  32. -15
    April 20 2023 09: 48
    Why are our people so stubborn.
    T-54/55 is no longer a tank, well, you won’t call an infantry fighting vehicle or an armored personnel carrier a tank ?!
    Rewire your brain.
    No one will use them as tanks!
    With Abramych / Abramovich or Lenya, he will not fight head-on, only hit with ATGMs from ambushes!
    They won't let him break through.

    I repeat, leave the former name T-55/54, this is a little better than the BMP!
    Why aren’t you worried about the many infantry fighting vehicles and yelling that Abramovich will burn him at once ?!
    1. Alf
      -1
      April 20 2023 18: 23
      Quote: 75Sergey
      With Abramych / Abramovich or Lenya, he will not fight head-on, only hit with ATGMs from ambushes!

      Is there an ATGM on the T-54?
  33. +1
    April 20 2023 09: 54
    Let me remind you - "a tank is the main means of conducting combat operations in the conditions of the use of nuclear weapons." recourse
    True, this applies to the T-55 and younger.
    1. +4
      April 20 2023 11: 51
      tank is the main means of warfare in the conditions of the use of nuclear weapons

      I'm sorry, what? In terms of the use of nuclear weapons?
      And why then did all the advanced countries of the world rely on tanks in the First and Second World Wars, when nuclear weapons were still only in the draft?
      In fact, it would be correct to say differently: "a tank is the main means of destroying advanced units, breaking through defenses and suppressing enemy firing points." And the conditions under which these tasks are performed (such as the use of nuclear or conventional weapons) are just particulars
  34. +1
    April 20 2023 10: 03
    To work at checkpoints and as highly mobile artillery for working from a closed position, it’s quite possible, but the fact that without remote sensing (at least) is, to put it mildly, bewildering, not to mention the SLA and night vision devices. At least the T-54/55 is better than the BMP-1, not to mention the BTR-80 recourse
    1. +6
      April 20 2023 11: 10
      It depends on what these tanks will go instead. If instead of T72 - bad, if instead of MT12 - good. If in addition to the existing one ... that's great too.
  35. -4
    April 20 2023 10: 09
    The iksperds are directly touched, who scream that they got into the T-54 and immediately the corpse - because the armor is thin and homogeneous. And he got into the BMP - not a corpse? And, bitch ... ka, a couple of hundred armored cars and pickups with which ours were driven from Kharkov, how is it? Did the T-90 help a lot in this exercise?
    The weapon is, first of all, the correct combat use, and only then the performance characteristics. Chew at least a spoonful of examples in history. The most obvious - WWII.
    1. +4
      April 20 2023 10: 33
      The weapon is, first of all, the correct combat use, and only then the performance characteristics.

      Your equation will only converge if there is an incorrect application on the reverse side. Hoping that the Ukrainians, after a year of hostilities, have not grown wiser, but dumber, if there are, as you yourself do not deny examples when "a couple of hundred armored cars and pickups with which ours were driven from Kharkov", I would say a little like an ostrich.
      1. +2
        April 20 2023 11: 51
        This equation will converge if the T-54 is not sent for assaults in the first line. And all that. These are pretty simple things, as simple as not sending HF to attack without infantry. Or not to storm Grozny in marching columns.
  36. -4
    April 20 2023 10: 12
    it's time to bring slingshots from stocks and bows and arrows
  37. 0
    April 20 2023 10: 19
    cavalry, an undeservedly forgotten branch of the armed forces, in principle, the horse will still show itself, and blades and rivet tea can be no more difficult than T55 and chop the fascist reptile goida
    1. +3
      April 20 2023 13: 37
      Quote from Mazunga
      cavalry, an undeservedly forgotten branch of the armed forces, in principle, the horse will still show itself, and blades and rivet tea can be no more difficult than T55 and chop the fascist reptile goida

      I understand that this is sarcasm, but for the sake of curiosity, I climbed to see what is happening in Russia with horses. Alas, the horse will no longer show itself.
      On the eve of the Great Patriotic War, the number of horses in the RSFSR was 11,2 million heads.
      In 1991, the number of horses in the RSFSR was 2.6 million heads.
      As of January 1, 2022, the number of horses in the Russian Federation is 223,3 thousand heads (these are all types - meat, riding, draft).
  38. +6
    April 20 2023 10: 25
    Do you remember how half a year +/- ago they laughed at ancient equipment in the Ukrainian army? laughing
    We keep giggling...
    1. +2
      April 20 2023 12: 34
      And some, judging by individual articles and comments under them, continue to giggle to this day.
  39. +2
    April 20 2023 10: 33
    Of course an old tank is better than none. If used correctly, it will deal damage to the enemy. If you use it on the defensive, hiding it in concrete caponiers, it will be effective.
    (Provided that he can see the enemy at night in his ancient sight)


    But! I advise you to think very hard when you read another bravura article about 100-500-100500 dead Vushniks.
    At what price is it given if there is no technical superiority? And if it is, I would like to know what it is. Connection? Intelligence service? Armored vehicles? Precision munitions?
    Aviation support?
    1. +5
      April 20 2023 10: 59
      Quote from: Derbes19
      As a tanker, which tank would you personally choose T-72/80/90 or T-54/55? And let's fight on chariots! Horses have a higher cross-country ability than any tank.

      Depending on the conditions, for example, pack animals are used in the mountains,,
      The T-54 is lighter and shorter than 72, and this is a plus, while being less armed and less armored, this is a minus, the conclusion of the T-54 is to use where its minuses are not critical, and there are a lot of such cases.
      1. Alf
        0
        April 20 2023 18: 25
        Quote: agond
        the conclusion of the T-54 is used where its disadvantages are not critical

        Where are these places?
        1. -1
          April 20 2023 21: 07
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: agond
          the conclusion of the T-54 is used where its disadvantages are not critical

          Where are these places?
          "There are such places, but we won't show them to you!" winked
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    1. +7
      April 20 2023 11: 02
      And what do BMP-3s shoot with!?

      Not shots to the D-10T
    2. 0
      April 20 2023 11: 08
      100mm projectile. And a reduced charge in a short sleeve ....
    3. +2
      April 20 2023 11: 39
      Fir-trees! And what do BMP-3s shoot with!?

      Incorrect question: the BMP-3 has a smooth-bore gun, and the T-55 has a rifled one
      1. +5
        April 20 2023 11: 54
        BMP-3 has a smoothbore gun

        Sliced
        1. +2
          April 20 2023 12: 27
          Believe it or not, but all my life I considered the 2A70 a smooth-bore gun and did not even peer. Thank you for dispelling the darkness of ignorance. I apologize to Nikolaevich I, however, it seems to me that the shells of the BMP-3 and T-55 are still not interchangeable.

          Damn, how then does the three-ruble note spits ATGMs? Do the rifling of the barrel affect the flight of the rocket ???
          1. +3
            April 20 2023 13: 02
            Damn, how then does the three-ruble note spits ATGMs? Do the rifling of the barrel affect the flight of the rocket ???

            There are no structural difficulties - there are no belts - there is nothing to cut into the rifling. And BPM-3 is not a curiosity here. M81 rifled gun on Sheridan, D-126 gun on Object 775, Royal Ordnance L7 (and all its licensed versions).
    4. +3
      April 20 2023 11: 45
      If the Mosinka has a caliber of 7.62 and the AK-47 has a 7.62, do you think they have interchangeable cartridges?
    5. -3
      April 20 2023 13: 21
      Cannon projectile. Which is smoothbore for the BMP-3, and rifled for the T-54.
    6. Alf
      +1
      April 20 2023 18: 27
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      In addition, we do not have a full-scale production of complete rounds (shells and charges) for tank 100-mm rifled guns. So all the “fifty-fours” and “fifty-fives” can be content with for now is the remaining ammunition in storage in warehouses, including naval ones, which tend to run out.
      Fir-trees! And what do BMP-3s shoot with!? belay what

      The D-10T and 2A70 have only caliber in common ...
  41. -1
    April 20 2023 10: 45
    And where are the famous Almaty? They have no analogues. The enemy will see them and run away
  42. +1
    April 20 2023 10: 47
    Reminds me of an old video:
    -Is it sad or funny?
    -This? It is sad.
  43. -1
    April 20 2023 11: 06
    the author normally threw it on the fan - people hawala.
    I am sending a photo of the T-34, write more =)
  44. +4
    April 20 2023 11: 07
    A sub-caliber projectile with this interesting name pierced a plate of armored steel 150 mm thick at an angle of 60 degrees from the vertical (300 mm of reduced armor) from a distance of two kilometers. But his cumulative counterparts hit armor with a thickness of 3-4 calibers, respectively.

    On the defeat of what is this enough in the current conditions?



    Tanks are not his main target. And for any Bradley, that's enough ..... But, if you're creative, you can make a new BOPS, an arrow for the entire length of the sleeve.
    1. Alf
      +2
      April 20 2023 18: 40
      Quote: Zaurbek
      you can make a new BOPS, an arrow for the entire length of the sleeve

      This takes time, factories, machine tools and people with dishonest hands ... Just something ...
  45. +4
    April 20 2023 11: 12
    Excellent tanks, they are not even a hundred years old.
  46. -2
    April 20 2023 11: 20
    Idea! Mount a pair of hydraulic jacks under the bottom of the T-55 in its front part. So that the front can be raised by 30 degrees. If we add to this the maximum angle of vertical aiming of the gun 18 degrees, then the total elevation angle can be increased to 48 degrees, which will provide a hinged trajectory of the projectiles. And you can even just open a caponier with a 30-degree bottom slope, drive a tank into it. And you get a highly armored self-propelled howitzer! :)

    Joke, of course. The tower will not turn, the gun is heavy.
    1. +3
      April 20 2023 11: 55
      Not funny at all. More precisely, you can laugh, but only at yourself. Read at your leisure how the Israelis fired at the Arabs for 10 or more km from super pershings. I had to drag the Su-100 in order to stop the disgrace.
      1. 0
        April 20 2023 22: 22
        The Israelis didn’t have super-perches, this is not a serial tank at all. There were no ordinary Pershings either. There were Supershermans.
    2. Alf
      -1
      April 20 2023 18: 41
      Quote: Pavel73
      Idea! Mount a pair of hydraulic jacks under the bottom of the T-55 in its front part. So that the front can be raised by 30 degrees. If we add to this the maximum angle of vertical aiming of the gun 18 degrees, then the total elevation angle can be increased to 48 degrees, which will provide a hinged trajectory of the projectiles. And you can even just open a caponier with a 30-degree bottom slope, drive a tank into it. And you get a highly armored self-propelled howitzer! :)

      Joke, of course. The tower will not turn, the gun is heavy.

      And a shot with a variable charge ...
  47. 0
    April 20 2023 11: 25
    Medvedev promised 1500 tanks, we are waiting for the military museums to be reopened. T 26, BT all sorts
    1. -1
      April 20 2023 11: 47
      Do you think they will gut the armored museum in Kubinka? We are waiting on the battlefield Mouse!
      1. 0
        April 20 2023 17: 12
        Come on, this Mouse, where will we get 128 mm shells;). And if without jokes, as a child, in the year 2004, I crawled along the BMP 1/2, as if on museum exhibits. Who knew that they would be driven into battle in 2022
  48. +4
    April 20 2023 11: 29
    One can only rejoice for the "effective" managers of the Ministry of Defense and the Foreign Intelligence Service, who managed to keep their posts and prepared so "effectively" for hostilities that "innovative" developments 50 years ago are delivered to the front lines.
    1. +5
      April 20 2023 11: 50
      It does not matter what you supply to the army, it is important how it will be promoted! ... About 4 years ago, a bearded man named Dushenov said that the Americans were in the priest, and could not even produce new weapons, and therefore they began to modernize the old fu fu fu! And a few minutes later I already told that the Russian Federation does not need to spend billions on new weapons for the army, and the leadership is acting wisely by modernizing Soviet equipment.
  49. +10
    April 20 2023 11: 41
    I remember there were people who wrote that there was no need to make a tragedy, this is a wise decision and the T54 / 55 will be used as spare parts for the T62. Although they had talked a little earlier about the brilliant idea of ​​​​using the T62 as artillery and that they would not be used as tanks on the front line. As I understand it, there is a calculation constantly that people do not remember anything?
    1. -2
      April 20 2023 22: 56
      This is true. 80% of people basically do not remember what they were told 6 months ago.
  50. 0
    April 20 2023 11: 49
    To cover the Finnish border, install in pillboxes.
  51. +2
    April 20 2023 12: 01
    Sadly it all.
    I remembered the army on an urgent basis. It’s 2000, we’re leaving school. There are many guys who received theoretical training on the latest T-90 (they had to climb on the T-72) and the specialty “T-90 commander”.
    They come to the regiment and become T-62 commanders.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if among those who got into the T-54/55 there were guys who received knowledge of the Armata in training.
  52. +1
    April 20 2023 12: 05
    And the barrel, again, is rifled, so at long firing distances the accuracy will be higher than that of smooth-bore guns, although such comparisons in themselves are terrible - we’ve reached the point, we’re comparing those characteristics that we hadn’t really thought about before.

    1. The main thing is at a distance of 4-8 kilometers at which this “cart for a gun” will be fired. Sniper gun - accuracy is noticeably better than smoothbore guns. There will be enough ammunition for several years to come. Of course, the control system needs to be modernized, and not complain that it is “outdated.”
    2. The armor is better than all modern self-propelled guns and infantry fighting vehicles. Allows you to attach dynamic and active protection and screens if necessary.
    3. At distances up to 6-8 kilometers, the probability of a direct hit on a stationary target is quite good and better than that of modern tanks with smooth-bore guns. In this case, a hit by an ordinary HE projectile in the center will destroy all modern tanks and any other armored vehicles. The same is true if an ordinary armor-piercing projectile hits a crisscross, and in this case no dynamic protection, grilles, meshes, and so on will save you.
    4. There is a 100 mm guided projectile. There are also modern cumulative and sub-caliber shells. All of them are capable of hitting through all projections of modern tanks except for the frontal projection.
    1. +2
      April 20 2023 23: 00
      1. T-55 optics are not capable of hitting accurately at 4 km.
      2. Who and where will attach the remote control to the T-55? There will be no time at the front. But practice shows that a bunch of remote sensing blocks without explosives are not braided at all.
      3. Where do you tell the tale with such confidence that a WWII era cannon can “with confidence” hit a target at a distance of 6 km?
      4. The T-55 never had guided missiles.
    2. +2
      April 21 2023 08: 09
      Your literacy made my eyes bleed
    3. 0
      April 21 2023 08: 31
      Where are you from, comrade major? How much for a Russian language?
      1. +4
        April 21 2023 14: 26
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        Where are you from, comrade major? How much for a Russian language?

        Comrade, as I understand it, is from Bulgaria.
        So say thank you for the absence of hard signs scattered throughout the text with a generous hand. smile
  53. -9
    April 20 2023 12: 11
    Quote from: Derbes19
    If there are concrete shelters on NATO satellite images, then there is no point in driving a tank into them. The shelter will be destroyed along with the tank, even before the approach of the attackers.


    I think I already wrote about the fools of the patrites

    It’s not surprising that you never read that we usually have a tank in a covered shelter. A concrete slab with 2 meters of soil cannot be penetrated by a 155 mm shell, even with a direct hit. Yes, and find where. This is not a firing position

    When the assault begins, the tank rolls out to one of the firing positions and shoots the attackers from behind the concrete wall.

    Working scheme from Kherson

    It’s just that you are stupid people with disadvantages and don’t understand the basics of building active defense

    But they're already shitting their pants out of fear.
    1. +1
      April 20 2023 12: 58
      russianreactor, I have a question for you - how do organisms like yours reproduce - by simple division, spores, or maybe fragmentation?
    2. -2
      April 20 2023 23: 02
      Yes, you spent a lot of time playing the game "Behind Enemy Lines 2" :) Concrete pillboxes for tanks... Silent defense... Stupid enemy attacking these pillboxes head-on without reconnaissance and artillery....