A little about our anti-tank units for the destruction of Western tanks in Ukraine

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A little about our anti-tank units for the destruction of Western tanks in Ukraine

The counteroffensive of the Ukrainian troops is such a thing. It seems to be constantly announced, but at the same time endlessly postponed: either the weather conditions and mudslides do not allow, or the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with equipment and trained personnel is stopped. But someday these peculiar "swings" will stop and the offensive will most likely begin - maybe at the end of spring or summer. We will not guess, because the date is not the point.

The bottom line is that the “counterattack” will be marked by the widespread use of Western-made heavy armored vehicles. It is, of course, about Tanks, of which there will already be about a hundred in the Ukrainian armed formations by May: mainly Leopards 2 of various modifications, flavored with a small number of Challengers 2 with the support of NATO armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. In this connection, our troops have already begun to create mobile anti-tank units capable of fighting these foreign "guests".



Yevkurov anti-tankers


Let's start with a little formality.

News the fact that within the framework of the Russian military contingent in the zone of a special military operation in Ukraine mobile anti-tank units will be formed with a focus on the destruction of Western-made tanks appeared just a few days ago. The initiator of this decision was Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, Deputy Minister of Defense Shoigu.

Details of this process, logically, are not yet available. But the ideas are being put into practice, as reported by the head of the Combat Training Center of the RF Armed Forces Yevgeny Arifulin. According to him, guidelines have already been developed and methods for their implementation have been organized, as well as an analysis is being carried out to identify the weaknesses and strengths of the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Leclerc tanks. In addition, he also gave unambiguous hints that training had begun to one degree or another.


“These are groups that will directly hunt for these systems, plus tankers are preparing for a tank duel here. But the main thing is the tank hunters who will be waiting for them in the place where these tanks will not want to see us,” said Arifulin.

Analysis of Western tanks


First of all, I would like to draw attention to the fact that, according to the assurances of the highest military officials, the collection of information about Western tanks has begun in order to identify their strengths and weaknesses. Naturally, if the whole process is limited to inviting elderly experts already covered with moss, who will unanimously assert that the Abrams can be pierced from the DShK machine gun into the rear of the tower, the Leopard 2 gets stuck in the mud and the roof of the tower is cardboard, and the Challenger 2” and completely archaic on archaic and archaic drives - nothing good will come of it.

ATGM "Fagot" - one of the old missile systems still in service with the RF Armed Forces

ATGM "Fagot" - one of the old missile systems still in service with the RF Armed Forces

But with the right approach, it will be possible to somehow systematize the data, taking into account what is available on the front weapons and find out which of the anti-tank weapons against Western technology can be used with greater efficiency. Mines, artillery and drones of different sizes is good, but missile systems and tanks in the defense in any case continue to play a far from secondary role. However, not all of them have sufficient capabilities to defeat really heavily armored targets.

And this applies not only to the NMD: an assessment of the situation will allow, in general, how our anti-tank capabilities correspond to the realities when the enemy can use really well-protected Western tanks. In short, for the future.

True, here a reasonable and mostly rhetorical question arises, why this was not attended to five, ten or fifteen years ago. However, criticism and analysis of the current situation is not the subject of this material, and it does not enter into the interests of the author at all.

Yes, the rearmament of the army requires colossal funds, especially considering the fact that the available weapons in warehouses and in the active troops are simply countless. However, over the past twenty years, anti-tank systems projects have been rejected or sent for eternal “trial operation” so much that the introduction of at least some of them into production - a teaspoon per hour, for years - could lead to the fact that today the issue of analyzing weak and strong sides of Western tanks were not asked, at least publicly.

It remains to be hoped, and indeed sincerely, that the special operation will become a kind of starting point that will spur our defense industry and direct it to the path of rearmament. But after the SVO, since now it will be extremely harmful in every sense, they don’t change horses at the crossing.

Anti-tank units


But with anti-tank units, the situation is interesting and a bit ambiguous.

Here a logical question may arise: why was this not done before in order to counteract other, mainly Soviet tanks, which the armed forces of Ukraine in the majority use. At least even here, on the "Military Review", among the comments, such statements flashed more than once.

Really massive tank attacks from the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet been observed. Still, the lack of this type of armored vehicles in large numbers, as well as the limited ability to quickly repair it, force it to be used locally and far from hundreds of units. Therefore, the standard equipment of our anti-tank units is often quite enough. As well as their armor penetration characteristics for Soviet tanks of the T-64B / BV type and T-72M / M1 sent from partners from the West.

Domestic anti-tank missile systems

Domestic anti-tank missile systems

In this regard, there are no problems, and as examples it is not necessary to cite such truly fierce weapons as Shturm-S with its upgraded Ataka or Kornet anti-tank missiles - the same Metis-M or Konkurs-M The problem is completely solved.

The only question is the completeness of combat units and the correct alignment of defense.

But sooner or later, the Ukrainian counter-offensive will begin, and more likely on some separate section of a truly gigantic front. So the local and not very status-relevant mass use of tanks will develop into a concentrated strike.

It will involve at least a hundred Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 tanks transferred by Western countries. And it may seem that three conditional battalions that can be put together from these machines will not make any difference. However, reinforced with NATO armored personnel carriers, including the Stryker, as well as infantry fighting vehicles and AMX-10 wheeled cannon vehicles, these units can create significant problems for our troops. Especially considering that these foreign guests are richly equipped with communications, navigation and sighting systems.

"Leopard 2A5" - one of the Western tanks in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine
"Leopard 2A5" - one of the Western tanks in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

In such a situation, concern seems to be understandable simply because not all of our missile systems, and we recall that, along with tanks, are one of the pillars of active anti-tank defense, they can fight Western vehicles with high efficiency.

Of course, we can say that now whole divisions or consolidated groups of "Sturm-S" will be dragged to the proposed sector of the front, they will strengthen the "Chrysanthemum-S" and the end of the entire European zoo. But the scenario that has already become commonplace will be the most likely, when the infantry will not stand aside definitely.

And there is something to defend with - the same "Kornet" in a self-propelled and portable version is an excellent and most important mass weapon capable of fighting highly protected tanks. However, the catch is that in this case they become a kind of "main actors" and then their number in the state may simply not be enough.

For example, in a motorized rifle battalion, even before a special operation, depending on the completeness, up to six anti-tank systems of this type could be counted. But this is taking into account the fact that, in addition to the Kornet, it has other portable or missile systems that are part of armored vehicles. And in the new-fashioned (actually already old-fashioned) battalion tactical groups, such a variety of varieties could be created at all that the number of these products could vary greatly both in one direction and in the other.

Export version of the Russian ATGM "Kornet" - "Kornet-E"
Export version of the Russian ATGM "Kornet" - "Kornet-E"

So, in theory, increasing the "concentration" of powerful anti-tank systems per kilometer of the defended area can be one of the main tasks.

However, the organization of some extremely mobile "fire brigades" that will jump from sector to sector along the defensive front and burn Western tanks is too unlikely. This is a newly created staff of units, and big problems in their management with irrational dispersal of forces - at the first call, anti-tankers will not jump out to the right positions like two out of a casket.

So the most profitable here may be the transfer of existing or newly created anti-tank platoons or consolidated groups with self-propelled or portable (portable) anti-tank systems to the most threatened sectors of the front and transferring them to subordination - as a reinforcement - to the defending units. That is, in fact, nothing new - this has already been run in, and long before the special military operation. And given that many of the military experts are talking about equipping these anti-tankers with their own reconnaissance means in the form of UAVs, then, as they say, cards in hand: not only can management and communication problems be avoided, but also the exchange of intelligence between the defenders and their amplification can be expanded.

But for now, all this is just speculation, so we will find out soon.
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  1. +8
    April 17 2023 04: 23
    already developed… and organized… as well as analysis of the weak and strong… of the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Leclerc tanks… hints that the training… has started.

    —- What can I say - an offensive on the nose, and here about hints and the process, not about the fact of implementation!
    1. 0
      April 17 2023 05: 41
      Quote: Mikhail Drabkin

      —- What can I say - an attack on the nose, but here about hints and the process, not about the fact of implementation!

      The jackals are already flying. On the eve of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, French journalists arrived in Gulyaypole to prepare a provocation about alleged strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on civilian infrastructure, the Russian Defense Ministry reports.
      1. +3
        April 17 2023 05: 46
        Quote: carpenter
        French journalists arrived in Gulyaipole to prepare a provocation about alleged Russian strikes on civilian infrastructure, the Russian Defense Ministry reports.

        Well, since the Ministry of Defense reports, it means that we will definitely hit the civilian infrastructure.
        1. +5
          April 17 2023 08: 18
          However, the organization of some extremely mobile "fire brigades" that will jump from sector to sector along the defensive front and burn Western tanks is too unlikely.

          This must be done ... according to the experience of the Second World War, such "fire" teams of the VET were in great demand ...
          1. 0
            April 18 2023 10: 45
            A lot of time has passed since the Second World War and since then the anti-tank helicopter has become the best anti-tank weapon, and today its cheaper version of the UAV with ATGMs and the last direction of the kamikaze drone hitting the tank into the roof!
            The argument about the formation of special squads to fight tanks, knowing their weaknesses, on the contrary, strains, since the question arises: "is our Defense Ministry generally aware of what modern war is?" feel or are they only guided by the experience of the Second World War? belay
            In reality, if you listen to the Moscow Region, then from our side, options for protecting our tanks from their FPV drones with RPGs, not KAZ, but grids and grids feel , but a means of combating equipment, not even other equipment (helicopter), but an infantryman with an ATGM! belay we are not talking about advanced weapons such as smart bombs, drones or missiles with self-aiming blocks!
            The enemy is trying to win using innovation, and we are the experience of grandfathers! lol
            1. -1
              April 18 2023 14: 44
              Quote: Eroma
              The enemy is trying to win using innovation, and we are the experience of grandfathers! lol

              Oh, they don't like the truth here (in which there is strength). Therefore, you are downvoted. And the truth is that our Defense Ministry is not ready and does not know what modern war is. Boots lack imagination for this. And there are real boots. Head to eat in it.
              As I wrote before, a simple soldier will take out all his own on his hump. So that the generals then receive an order and huge statues. In case of failure, no one will be asked. As they did not ask the stealing and incompetent.
              I believe in soldiers. The generals are not.
            2. -3
              April 21 2023 12: 37
              anti-tank helicopter
              Which is much more expensive than a tank, and even more so an infantryman with an ATGM. Which cannot always be in the sky. And at which everyone will shoot as soon as he appears. I'm not sure that a helicopter is such a salvation from tanks.
              1. +2
                April 22 2023 13: 06
                A tank is a weapon designed for an offensive, the direction of which cannot always be accurately determined and create an ATGM-saturated defense in this direction! And a helicopter is a very mobile combat vehicle, capable of destroying a tank platoon at least in one sortie and quickly creating the necessary concentration of forces in a threatened area! Acting over its combat formations, the helicopter is practically safe and can easily destroy tanks on the LBS! soldier
        2. -1
          April 19 2023 07: 39
          Yes, you are just a pessimist! It's just a pity for the infantry, all the anti-tank systems will quickly run out, the RPG 7 men will fight.
      2. +1
        April 17 2023 08: 58
        Well, why is it not right MO? Insurance no matter what happened.
        So the Gallic roosters are not a fact that on the eve of the offensive, but by their slutty nature they are ready for any dirty trick. So it's worth making sure.
    2. KCA
      0
      April 17 2023 05: 58
      What hints? The author builds the article on his vision of the process, and according to "Zvezda" there was a program about the training of anti-tankers, at the training ground and full-size mock-ups, and models for practicing tactics, and electronic shooting, and real shooting, and not only blanks, even working out the actions of snipers to remove devices tank guidance
    3. +1
      April 17 2023 11: 33
      When I first read about the units being trained to fight the new NATO tanks, the first question that immediately arose was: "What kind of tanks and how in general were they going to fight all this time? And were they going to, at all?" And this image immediately came to mind...
      1. 0
        April 17 2023 22: 49
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        And this picture immediately came to mind...
        Looking at the Japanese "tank destroyer" I remembered something similar ...
        Hand-held magnetic cumulative grenade
        And this is how it (the grenade) was supposed to be used ...
        Years of release 1942-44, total produced 553900 pieces - how much was used - an open question ...
        soldier
    4. 0
      April 17 2023 18: 20
      Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
      —- What can I say - an attack on the nose, but here about hints and the process, not about the fact of implementation!

      General Yevkurov is ex officio responsible for the combat training of the troops. Of course, based on the analysis of the military operations carried out in the General Staff, and in the department of Yevkurov, ideas of changes in staffing, equipment, and combat training are also born. What, in general, we periodically see and hear. And this is a normal ongoing process, especially in wartime. There is no point in discussing the Galim written in the article ..... yu. To put it simply, in war, the processes of analyzing the combat work of troops, developing new operational-tactical methods and introducing them into the practice of operations are the routine work of the leadership of the armed forces. And when bloggers get crumbs of information about this side of the war, this does not mean that they have penetrated the secrets of the universe. It's just that some of them are not smart enough to understand all the naivety they wrote. winked
  2. -1
    April 17 2023 04: 39
    in theory, increasing the "concentration" of powerful anti-tank systems per kilometer of the defended area may be one of the main tasks.
    But to be successful, theory must be combined with practice. Therefore, the saturation of ATGM units and the formation of separate units to fight tanks should all be aimed at the active destruction of enemy armored vehicles.
  3. +13
    April 17 2023 04: 49
    The characteristics of Western tanks are known long before the NMD. First of all, you need to beat them on the way to the front line, and this should be facilitated by excellent intelligence. On the battlefield, ordinary soldiers will again have to show heroism.
    1. +1
      April 17 2023 06: 40
      Quote: andrewkor
      First of all, it is necessary to beat them on the way to the front line, and this should be facilitated by excellent intelligence.

      Our reconnaissance has already drowned one tank in a swamp.
    2. +3
      April 17 2023 12: 50
      Characteristics change, in leoperd they stuck around with contact. In general, it’s the right thing to do, since in the future you will only have to beat the trap of equipment and you need to grope for features now.
  4. +11
    April 17 2023 05: 00
    The best option for anti-tank defense is to bomb bridges and railways in the west of Ukraine, and not wait until they are taken to the front. What is missing? Intelligence satellites, agents, aviation or desire?

    So when will we start?
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        1. NKT
          +18
          April 17 2023 09: 33
          Those. a person whose money is used to support both a soldier and a general does not have the right to criticize them and express his opinion?
          1. -10
            April 17 2023 13: 43
            Quote: NKT
            Those. a person whose money is used to support both a soldier and a general does not have the right to criticize them and express his opinion?

            Could you specify how much exactly you gave for the maintenance of soldiers and generals? And how much could you give in principle, if not for these soldiers and generals who donate neither more nor less, but life. All so that you can scribble on the Internet
            1. +10
              April 17 2023 14: 38
              if not for these soldiers and generals, who dress no less, but life

              Can you formulate why the soldiers give their lives? I would like to understand the great purpose for which the user of NKT should be in awe or share the responsibility.
            2. +2
              April 18 2023 00: 18
              Can you specify exactly how much you need to pay in order to declare a CBO? Announce the price to become a full citizen of the Russian Federation.
            3. Qas
              0
              April 18 2023 00: 52
              The question is not for me, but I will answer.
              Our prime minister, Mishustin, was previously the chief tax officer. And he actively and now oversees the collection of the tax burden from individuals and legal entities. But from taxes (not only from them, if anything) the interests of the state are served. And here, MO is standing with such a large spoon and bowl.
              Available explained?
      2. -3
        April 17 2023 18: 26
        For Russia and the titular people, NWO is a healing medicine and a health complex at the same time. Solid pros and no cons.
        1. -2
          April 18 2023 21: 07
          That is, minus tens of thousands of dead Russians in Russia, and the ethnocide of Russians in Ukraine is a plus for you ???
          Reading comments like yours, you regret that swear messages are being censored on the site ...
          And it's a pity that there is no intellectual qualification for entering the site.
        2. -2
          April 21 2023 12: 54
          Quote from: Alex Priest
          For Russia and the titular people, NWO is a healing medicine and a health complex at the same time. Solid pros and no cons.
          Good medicine, sort of like healing limb amputation.
      3. -1
        April 17 2023 18: 28
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        In the person in the video, the balls just shriveled and fell off.

        I would be glad to know that comrades in uniform (or without) come to you like you and check if you have the mentioned organs, and at the same time it would be worth trying on your "fictions" to the current version of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (so that the fingers move behind the thought, and not vice versa) . wink
    2. +7
      April 17 2023 09: 00
      You were told that they were carrying everything at night, and at night, as I understood from the words of this gentleman, we are helpless. hi
    3. +1
      April 17 2023 22: 49
      The best option for anti-tank defense is to bomb bridges and railways in the west of Ukraine, and not wait until they are taken to the front.


      And who are you to judge this? Is our problem in enemy tanks?

      Don't forget that we are at war with the dollar, with our enemies' control of the global economy and the internet.

      Well, we will fence ourselves off with destroyed bridges from these tanks.
      Even, let's say, we will seize the whole Ukraine in this way.

      Are you sure this will bring us victory?

      Wouldn't it be necessary to retreat very far again,
      how did the USSR retreat from the countries of Eastern Europe?

      Remind you what events preceded our exit from there?

      We, too, were then fenced off by the "Iron Curtain".
      But for some reason it didn't help.

    4. -3
      April 18 2023 14: 53
      Quote: Amateur
      The best option for anti-tank defense is to bomb bridges and railways in the west of Ukraine, and not wait until they are taken to the front. What is missing? Intelligence satellites, agents, aviation or desire?
      So when will we start?

      Bombing before the start of their offensive is useless. The bridge will be repaired, the pontoons will run over. Do you continue to spend expensive rockets on pieces of concrete and iron fittings? It is necessary to bomb when the offensive begins. There should be no supply of BC, fuel and spare parts. Here then and not to allow to repair and direct. Their equipment should stand up without BC, without fuel, without the possibility of repair. Something will be knocked out, the rest should stop themselves. Lancets should hit not only tanks, but also tankers and any truck.
    5. 0
      April 21 2023 12: 51
      What is missing? Intelligence satellites, agents, aviation or desire?
      Everything except the last one. Particularly useless in reconnaissance of moving targets are single satellites with optical means of observation.
  5. +9
    April 17 2023 05: 41
    Is the article generally about anti-tank units?
    The author does not at all take into account not even anti-tank capabilities, but the ability to maneuver along the front of helicopters. And in the event of an offensive by the Ukrainians, it will not work to accompany the tanks with air defense systems, as well as fighters. So ATGMs will not be left alone.
    1. +7
      April 17 2023 06: 23
      The author does not at all take into account not even anti-tank capabilities, but the ability to maneuver along the front of helicopters

      This is not the author, it is our forgetful Deputy Minister of Defense and his performers, in the form of Arifulin.
      For this, highly mobile anti-tank weapons were created in the form of attack helicopters. It’s just that it’s very difficult to organize a complex application against tanks and against air defense for them, like higher mathematics for a schoolchild. Yevkurov from that generation, like the first horsemen during the Second World War. The PR of anti-tank groups is just creating the appearance of work, because Yevkurov is responsible for combat training, it would be better to put things in order in the training of the mobilized, remember Leshkov, then he was silent, and now all channels and websites have news about some superduper pturists. Not even funny. He would also organize biathlon with cross-country running with Cornet behind him ... there is an example from whom to take.
      1. 0
        April 17 2023 06: 47
        Is this stream here supposed to convince us that we don’t have combat helicopters or are they not used in armored vehicles? Both exist and apply. So
        Quote: Konnick
        not funny

        And not to the point.
      2. +12
        April 17 2023 08: 44
        I see that you have a lot of letters and words in stock, but the content is lame. If you had to deal with the Fagot portable ATGM, you might find out that it has extremely complex and inconvenient controls. It is difficult to control the handwheels for vertical and horizontal guidance without long and thorough preparation. Therefore, it is not difficult to assume that they will train in this.
        And once again we have to state that the defense industry has not coped with the modernization of the portable launcher for 30-40 years.
        1. +2
          April 17 2023 18: 21
          The defense industry will do anything, the question is in the customer)
          1. -1
            April 17 2023 18: 38
            If no requests are received from the Ministry of Defense, developments are carried out on an initiative basis, for example, for foreign customers. And here, it seems, even there is no understanding of the problem.
    2. -1
      April 18 2023 08: 11
      I thought about the same thing, a massive air raid can help, this is absolutely not expected in modern conditions.
    3. +1
      April 18 2023 15: 02
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Is the article generally about anti-tank units?
      The author does not at all take into account not even anti-tank capabilities, but the ability to maneuver along the front of helicopters. And in the event of an offensive by the Ukrainians, it will not work to accompany the tanks with air defense systems, as well as fighters. So ATGMs will not be left alone.

      And these British Stormer air defense systems or German cheetahs or the remnants of beeches on the move will not interfere with helicopters? And the MANPADS? The West also supplies them to them. Helicopters must be used competently, they cannot be lost either.
      1. -1
        April 19 2023 04: 47
        Quote from Matsur
        And these British Stormer air defense systems or German cheetahs or the remnants of beeches on the move will not interfere with helicopters? And the MANPADS? The West also supplies them to them. Helicopters must be used competently, they cannot be lost either.

        All this goes AFTER the tanks. I hope I don't need to explain further.
  6. +6
    April 17 2023 06: 04
    Question - do we have helicopters left? By all canons, the helicopter is the main anti-tank weapon.
    Well, if there are no helicopters left, then the Russian army is armed with a fairly diverse armored vehicle with guided missiles.
    Well, if it’s really bad with this, then the T-90 tank is quite capable of coping with any of the NATO armored vehicles. At least according to the performance characteristics that we were shown.
    1. +8
      April 17 2023 07: 23
      We were shown a lot. Forgot?
    2. +10
      April 17 2023 07: 28
      The question is not in performance characteristics, but in the organization of operations. In 1941, the KV-1 was also capable of handling any German tank, which did not help much.

      Let's remember the Kharkov regrouping - a breakthrough of the front, chaos, it's not really clear where the Ukrainians are. What's the point in such a situation from what from the t-90 what from aviation.
      1. +2
        April 17 2023 18: 23
        Just KV on the Leningrad Front were the "skeleton" of defense in the most difficult period.
        1. -1
          April 19 2023 07: 52
          Well, Peter is the alma mater of all KVs, they did it at Putilovsky, where else would they be exploited ??
    3. -1
      April 17 2023 07: 56
      Quote: certero
      Question - do we have helicopters left?

      Range. Airfields where helicopters are based are located at a distance of more than 250-300 km. Everything that is closer under the blows of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If you pay attention, very often on video helicopters with PTB. but they are enough to just fly in to shoot and fly away. But even for such a scenario, it will take about two hours from the moment of the request.
      1. +9
        April 17 2023 08: 15
        Range. Airfields where helicopters are based are located at a distance of more than 250-300 km.

        And what, helicopters need concrete runways? Already forgotten about the jump airfields? Stupidly rests on a simple organization, is it really impossible to fit a gas station closer, how many of them do you need?
        1. +5
          April 17 2023 09: 16
          Quote: Konnick
          Stupidly rests on a simple organization

          The whole war rests on a simple organization. Unfortunately, ours cannot. What you are describing is no longer easy, you need to supply fuel exactly on time, change “jump airfields” every day, helicopter pilots and maintenance personnel should know about their location.
          So suicide bombers with RPG-7 and ATGMs from the Brezhnev era are ours.
        2. +7
          April 17 2023 16: 01
          Quote: Konnick
          And what, helicopters need concrete runways? Already forgotten about the jump airfields? Stupidly rests on a simple organization, is it really impossible to fit a gas station closer, how many of them do you need?

          Helicopters need ground infrastructure. Times when and under each of her bushes both the table and the house were ready long gone. The jump airfield is fuel tankers, an ammunition depot, some kind of technical equipment (in order to restore a flopped damaged car to the state "it is possible to reach the base" as quickly as possible) and some kind of air traffic control. Everything, the goal for OTRK is ready.
        3. -1
          April 18 2023 15: 05
          Quote: Konnick
          Range. Airfields where helicopters are based are located at a distance of more than 250-300 km.

          And what, helicopters need concrete runways? Already forgotten about the jump airfields? Stupidly rests on a simple organization, is it really impossible to fit a gas station closer, how many of them do you need?

          Your words can give someone a headache. It's too hard
      2. -1
        April 18 2023 02: 32
        Flight range of the Ka-52: maximum - 450 km, with PTB - 1087 km. If they work at night, then there is no difference with or without PTB, they will work on the locator. During the day, yes, they can shoot at the tanks, but again, pick up one tank and fly on it so that it is empty and work. Or they are so expensive that they cannot be used once - you fly to lbs, drop it and work.
  7. +12
    April 17 2023 06: 29
    Everything that happens in the army is a consequence of the lack of professionalism and stupidity of the PARQUET GENERALITY. Doesn't it seem surprising to you that we have a similar situation with communications, in comparison with Fritz at 41 and TODAY? Only with Ukrainians, in the sense of Nata? They got to the ridiculous, how can Zhvanetsky change something at the Conservatory? ... The practice of intimidating show-offs, such as, for example, tank biathlons during bloody battles at the front, no longer matters. NATO members have lost their fear of the RF Armed Forces - thanks to all those responsible for preparing the Army for the War! You have done business! I have one hope, by analogy with the period of the Second World War of 42-43 years near Rzhev, in the Crimea, near Kharkov and a breakthrough to Stalingrad and the Caucasus, by analogy with the NWO 2022 company, have the generals at least learned how to fight a little? Yes, having paid for their stupidity with not a little blood of the citizens of our country ... And the same new ones ... I hope that we have learned a bit !!! I really want to hope for this, even despite some kind of operational-tactical surrealism in Bakhmut, Avdeevka, Vugledar ... Looking at the attempts of modern commanders, I am more and more beginning to respect the generals of the Red Army-Rokosovsky (Operation Bagration), Vasilevsky ( the defeat of the Kwantung Army), even Zhukov (breaking into the Oder line and taking Berlin, 41 near Moscow). It would be interesting to hear THEIR assessment of the actions of the modern "Suvorovs" and "Kutuzovs" ... What Beria would say about the actions of our modern counterintelligence and intelligence .. .U citizens have a lot of questions and concerns to the authorities, although, UNDOubtedly, it, the authorities, is supported by the vast majority!
    1. -11
      April 17 2023 08: 08
      .Looking at the attempts of modern generals, I am more and more beginning to respect the generals of the Red Army-Rokosovsky (Operation Bagration), Vasilevsky (the defeat of the Kwantung Army), even Zhukov (hacking the Oder line and taking Berlin, 41 near Moscow). It would be interesting to hear THEM assessment of the actions of modern "Suvorovs" and "Kutuzovs" ... So that Beria would say about the actions of our modern counterintelligence and intelligence ... Citizens have many questions and fears for the Power, although, UNDOUBTEDLY, it, the Power, is supported by the vast majority!

      Then there was the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and it was his main merit in the victories at Stalingrad, in Operation Bagration, and not Rokossovsky, Zhukov and Vasilevsky.
      1. +6
        April 17 2023 09: 47
        What, what? Dude, are you out of your mind? Stalin was NEVER engaged in the development, and even more so, CONDUCTING strategic operations !!! The development was carried out by the General Staff and the headquarters of the fronts! Read the docs!
        1. -8
          April 17 2023 12: 14
          Stalin was NEVER engaged in the development, and even more so, CONDUCTING strategic operations !!! The development was carried out by the General Staff and the headquarters of the fronts! Read the docs!

          Didn't, yes. It is not royal business to draw arrows on the map and calculate the need for shells. Just before the Bagration operation, he gathered aviation from several fronts in the amount of 6 thousand of our aircraft, for example, fighters of the Karelian Front covered the rear. And the Army Group "Center" was covered by only 60 fighters, and our fighters in free hunting even chased a single cart, aviation simply deprived the Wehrmacht of any maneuver, the supply of ammunition and destroyed the entire artillery defense. Aviation played the main role in the defeat of the Germans in Belarus. And the order to build the Volga Rokada to Stalingrad was signed in January 41. And the operation "Monastery", about which even Zhukov was not informed, who, after the failure in November 42 near Rzhev, wondered where the Germans got tank divisions from there, and these divisions could end up near Stalingrad. It was only thanks to disinformation that they were transferred to Rzhev, and not to Stalingrad, like Zhukov, who until the end of his life did not know about his role in Operation Monastery. And for minus catch my minus. And read Shelenberg's memoirs, the role of Stalin as a commander is indirectly revealed there.
          1. -2
            April 17 2023 12: 50
            I was in a little hurry, and even from the phone ... Volzhsky Rokada -January 42, when some were already dizzy from success.
          2. -4
            April 17 2023 18: 01
            you, my friend, read Zhukov's memories and reflections, AT ALL. Vasilevsky. Rokosovsky ... Well, if Shelenberg is your authority, then oh ...
    2. +7
      April 17 2023 16: 08
      Quote: Anatoly Proskurin
      .Looking at the attempts of modern commanders, I am more and more beginning to respect the generals of the Red Army-Rokosovsky (Operation Bagration), Vasilevsky (the defeat of the Kwantung Army), even Zhukov (breaking the Oder line and taking Berlin, 41 near Moscow). It would be interesting to hear THEM assessment of the actions of modern "Suvorovs" and "Kutuzovs" ...

      And let's evaluate the generals of the Red Army by a comparable time period of that war - by 1941-1942.
      And there ... Dubno-Brody, Minsk, Senno-Lepel, Uman, Mogilev, Smolensk, Kyiv, Crimea, the Siege of Leningrad. Counteroffensive near Moscow, Tikhvin and Rostov-on-Don - and again Myasnoy Bor, Rzhev, Kharkov, Kerch, Sevastopol, retreat to Stalingrad.
      1. -2
        April 18 2023 09: 21
        And I do not deny the decision of the first days of the war. It reminds me of some moments of the beginning of SVo. But the result is we are in Berlin! Chickens are counted in the fall!
  8. +2
    April 17 2023 06: 35
    there is a reasonable and mostly rhetorical question why this was not attended to five, ten or fifteen years ago.
    Concerned for a very long time. Methods for defeating enemy armored vehicles have existed since the Great Patriotic War, and as enemy armored vehicles improve, new types of anti-tank weapons are being developed.
    In modern conditions, priority is given to operational-tactical and army aviation, as well as artillery. Under the scenario described above, the main means of defeat for Abrams and Leopard will be the Vikhr, Ataka, and Izdeliye-305 aircraft missiles, if we take army aviation, as well as Kh-29 aircraft missiles and one-time bomb clusters with anti-tank, including homing combat missiles. elements. In the case of artillery, guided missiles "Krasnopol", as well as "Tornado-S" shells with cumulative ammunition, are well suited to destroy tanks in places of concentration and marches. At distances of more than two thousand meters, guided munitions - self-propelled and portable modern anti-tank missile systems of the "Chrysanthemum" and "Kornet" types, the armor penetration of which is sufficient to destroy NATO tanks in the frontal projection. Based on the experience of a special operation and other conflicts, the likelihood of direct duel collisions of tanks is generally small. However, in the event of a meeting between Russian and NATO vehicles, the outcome of the duel will depend on a number of factors and the specific emerging combat tactical situation: who will be the first to detect whom, on what terrain and distance a collision will begin, how the tanks will be located relative to each other, how trained and experienced their crews will be, etc. T-90M, T-72B3, T-80BV are capable of hitting NATO tanks. The ammunition load of T-90M tanks includes new armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells , which are not inferior in penetration to the most modern Western models Abrams and Leopard in the frontal projection.
    In connection with the existing practice of destroying tanks with the help of drones, the UAV was modernized and now the Russian troops have received a new version of the Lancet with a more powerful warhead, which can stay in the air for up to one hour and is guaranteed to hit enemy heavy armored vehicles.
    Mobile anti-tank groups are a new way to deal with enemy tanks. If it shows its effectiveness, then it has and it has the right to use.
  9. -1
    April 17 2023 07: 01
    "on the initiative" I am not a girl from the preparatory group and I know what military subordination is.
    Yunus-Bek Yevkurov IS OBLIGED, at least, to notify Sergei Kozhugetovich.
    "Why before?" The answer is simple: we DID NOT FIGHT and why an extra headache?
  10. +3
    April 17 2023 07: 18
    as part of the Russian military contingent in the zone of special military operation in Ukraine

    From the point of view of the Russian constitution, a special military operation has long been carried out on the territory of Russia.
    To write that the NWO is being held in Ukraine means not to recognize new territories as part of Russia. As well as not recognizing Crimea as part of Russia. An attempt on its territorial integrity.
  11. +1
    April 17 2023 08: 03
    The first to inflict defeat on this "menagerie", and significant, and even distant frontiers, must be our aviation, with its rich assortment of weapons and artillery, but for this intelligence must work for five
    1. +4
      April 17 2023 08: 50
      In addition to the artillery and reconnaissance itself, cluster munitions with cumulative submunitions should also be available. And this is just not clear. At least, we haven’t come across a video with the use of such ammunition on our part.
      1. +1
        April 17 2023 09: 01
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        cluster munitions with cumulative submunitions should also be available.

        In Syria, the RBC-500 and PBK-500U "Drill" have been used more than once
    2. -1
      April 18 2023 09: 26
      You woke up early! Our aviation is connected! Only over our own territory! ONLY OVER OUR !!! ... air defense, my friend, we don’t make planes, we have a lot of agents of influence from the West, we don’t have counterintelligence, that’s the trouble!
  12. -3
    April 17 2023 08: 37
    Maybe Yevkurov and Arifulin organize fighter detachments like during the Second World War


    ... The squad of fighters with dogs under the command of the squad leader Matvienko occupied firing positions at the last house in the village. Squad commander Matvienko, ordered to tie dog fighters to the belts of fighters, at the command of the platoon commander led the fighter squad and the attack ...

    1. -1
      April 17 2023 09: 19
      There is an analysis of the feat of the Panfilovites, when two German tank attacks were stopped near Dubosekovo. According to the documents, a special anti-tank platoon held the defense there.
      1. +1
        April 17 2023 11: 52
        An anti-tank platoon is an artillery fire unit designed to destroy enemy tanks and other armored vehicles. It can also be used to destroy other enemy fire weapons, including those located in fortifications.
        An anti-tank platoon consists of a platoon command (platoon commander, deputy platoon commander, 2 BTR machine gunners, senior APC driver, APC driver), three ATGM squads and three grenade launcher squads.

        This is from the staff of an ordinary SME, why else compose some kind of special forces. If Yevkurov had ordered the mobilized to be trained according to the full program, as it should be, then there would be no need to compose any special groups. And he slept through everything...
  13. 0
    April 17 2023 08: 48
    Quote: Kvakosavrus
    Let's remember the Kharkov regrouping - a breakthrough of the front, chaos, it's not really clear where the Ukrainians are. What's the point in such a situation from what from the t-90 what from aviation

    I still want to believe that the Ukrainian army is not as superior to the Russian as the Germans were superior to the red in those days.
    1. -5
      April 17 2023 09: 55
      the author writes about the embarrassment of our generals in September 2022 near Kharkov. The only thing for which I would not punish the commander, he saved people! ..
    2. -2
      April 18 2023 09: 28
      Exceeds. Just like in 41-on communications. And also on UAVs AND satellites. That's it!
  14. +2
    April 17 2023 09: 00
    Once again, I have written about this more than once. Managing ATGMs from portable installations is extremely inconvenient and requires lengthy training, given the high cost of missiles and high risks during combat use. An additional remote control with convenient control is very necessary for a portable installation. A remote control can increase both the efficiency and safety of the plant operator.
  15. +1
    April 17 2023 09: 03
    I will ask wise experts to give an approximate breakdown of how many enemy tanks we have actually knocked out in a year:
    - RPG
    - infantry missile systems
    - artillery
    - with their tanks
    - helicopters
    - airplanes
    - in other ways.

    How many enemy tanks were stopped:
    - mines
    - terrain and soil problems
    - engineering means of protection

    I also ask experts to evaluate which method had the minimum losses, and which had the maximum number of failures.

    I also ask you to make an analysis of our losses in this context.

    Let the wiser ones correct me, but in my opinion, the maximum reserve of efficiency is the adjustment of artillery fire.
    And this is communication with the infantry and the transfer of data from drones or aircraft to closed positions.
    Surely there is a possibility of duplicating means of communication, so that representatives of the artillery send spotters, and from the ground they send a signalman to the rocketmen and gunners.
    Since there is no single secure tablet, then duplicate direct contacts. Not ideal, but cheaper to send a man with a walkie-talkie than a platoon with launchers.
    (I do not deny other methods, ATGMs also filled a lot of enemy tanks)
  16. 0
    April 17 2023 09: 11
    In general, I don’t see any problems with helicopters transferring ATGM teams in their rear. Flight hour - 200 km. At the point of arrival, any wheels / tracks. Another half an hour - 30 km.
    But the problem is in betting on almost one missile - this is bad. Wait, Trophy or other active defense systems will be installed and the exchange of missiles for grenades will begin, then lives for shells.
    But the best solution is remote mining, not just in front of enemy tanks, but around.
    Well, another problem: there may not be a Ukronashup at all. All this background noise is just to delay your own.
    1. 0
      April 17 2023 20: 07
      In general, I don’t see any problems with helicopters transferring ATGM teams in their rear. Flight hour - 200 km.

      The range of helicopters does not allow. Their airfields are in the rear for 220-250 km, you can only fly to the front line and back, you won’t fly along the front. And it is dangerous to base closer.
  17. +1
    April 17 2023 09: 17
    . And given that many of the military experts are talking about equipping these anti-tankers with their own reconnaissance equipment in the form of UAVs

    As it was in the video:
    "Whose bird???"
    "Our" - boom, arrival (s). Turned out to be "not ours".
    "Alien" - boom, no birds. "Are you completely *** why are you fighting with your own ???"
  18. +2
    April 17 2023 09: 58
    "Metis", "Bassoon", "Competition" (designed in the 70s) are filmed with a cassette with fountain-type pyrotechnics placed on the Leopard's forehead. For those who are interested, take a look at the pictures. Hope for "Cornet" and "Chrysanthemum". Those are newer.
  19. +1
    April 17 2023 13: 11
    There are full-time anti-tank units, there are units from which anti-tank reserves are formed. Who are these tank destroyers made of? If from regular ones, then these are the same eggs, only in profile. And what's the point of talking about it?
    If these are some separate units, then where did they get them from?
  20. 0
    April 17 2023 13: 30
    Hmm, where can I sign up for the Stalinists? Or is it possible to say "under Stalin the order was" and so, not by appointment?

    Here I have several books about the Kursk Bulge of Zamulin.
    Under Comrade Stalin, regiments and brigades (IPTAP and IPTABR) were the means of anti-tank reinforcement. Not detachments, platoons, groups, circles, but regiments and brigades.
    At that time, in the troops that were preparing for the defense, Comrade Vatutin, for example, was engaged in: training / "running in" troops to fight armored vehicles, up to the use of Molotov cocktails. 3 (three) lines of defense were being prepared. Plus, Stalin held another front behind the troops on the defensive.

    Now the enemy will bring into battle: ".. 9 brigades formed for the offensive, consisting of 253 tanks, 381 IFVs, 480 APCs and 147 artillery pieces. ... 3 more additional brigades trained by Ukraine; presumably armed with BMP-1 and 2, T -6, any remaining T-72s and the remnants of artillery Gvozdik, D-30, M777, etc. " https://lostarmour.info/news/nato-plans-leaks
    But strengthening the capabilities of troops in defense against BT, according to the author of this article, looks like this:
    So, in theory, increasing the "concentration" of powerful anti-tank systems per kilometer of the defended area can be one of the main tasks.
    However, the organization of some extremely mobile "fire brigades" that will jump from sector to sector along the defensive front and burn Western tanks is too unlikely. This is a newly created staff of units, and big problems in their management with irrational dispersal of forces - at the first call, anti-tankers will not jump out to the right positions like two out of a casket.
    So the most profitable here may be the transfer of existing or newly created anti-tank platoons or consolidated groups with self-propelled or portable (portable) anti-tank systems to the most threatened sectors of the front and transferring them to subordination - as a reinforcement - to the defending units.

    Or still like this:
    within the framework of the Russian military contingent in the zone of the special military operation in Ukraine mobile anti-tank units will be formed with a focus on the destruction of Western-made tanksappeared just a few days ago. The initiator of this decision was Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, Deputy Minister of Defense Shoigu.
    Details of this process, logically, are not yet available. But the ideas are being put into practice, as reported by the head of the Combat Training Center of the RF Armed Forces Yevgeny Arifulin.


    We are now reading R Skomorokhov:
    heard about this level of training from friends mobilized? The maximum preparation included shooting and throwing grenades. At least - shooting from a machine gun.

    Who is responsible for combat training: “By Decree of the President of Russia dated July 8, 2019 No. 326, he was appointed Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. By the same decree, Evkurov was awarded the military rank of Lieutenant General[53]. Russia, permitted by a special decree of the President of the Russian Federation. The Main Directorate of Combat Training of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was transferred to Yevkurov's control"

    Perhaps I sign up for the Stalinists early, just because of my age I know and understand little, I don’t have a whole picture before my eyes. But I know for sure: everything is going according to plan, in strict accordance with the schedule, all the tasks set are successfully solved.
    Videoproof:

    https://youtu.be/aR6UPw4y4v0
  21. +2
    April 17 2023 13: 30
    Quote: Civil
    However, the organization of some extremely mobile "fire brigades" that will jump from sector to sector along the defensive front and burn Western tanks is too unlikely.

    This must be done ... according to the experience of the Second World War, such "fire" teams of the VET were in great demand ...

    IPTAPs?
    At Drabkin, the surviving anti-tankers said that the infantry was afraid to take positions next to the artillerymen - they smelled of death - and they would be beaten and the infantry would be "rolled up".
    1. +4
      April 17 2023 16: 13
      Quote: Rusfaner
      IPTAPs?
      At Drabkin, the surviving anti-tankers said that the infantry was afraid to take positions next to the artillerymen - they smelled of death - and they would be beaten and the infantry would be "rolled up".

      And this is not only in the memoirs of Drabkin. If you take descriptions of battles even in the 45th year, then you constantly meet "infantry cover withdrew, as a result of which the anti-tankers were forced to fight back on their own". When repelling a breakthrough from the Khalb cauldron, the Iptap-sheep got to buckshot.
  22. 0
    April 17 2023 14: 31
    transferring them into submission - as a reinforcement - to the defending units

    I hope that the military is smarter than the author. When the fire brigade arrives, it is a little difficult to attach it to the defending units, because after the breakthrough they are, to put it mildly, not in the best shape. We are talking about extremely mobile units in tank-dangerous areas. Exactly on the model of the Kursk Bulge, up to impudent mining.
  23. +1
    April 17 2023 14: 47
    “These are groups that will directly hunt for these systems, plus tankers are preparing for a tank duel here. But the main thing is the tank hunters who will be waiting for them in the place where these tanks will not want to see us."- said Arifulin.

    Purely my personal IMHO

    If we know where to wait for tanks, we can do without special groups with "improvised means"
    If we do NOT know where to wait for them, the groups will no longer help ... crying
  24. +1
    April 17 2023 16: 34
    Quote: Wildcat
    this time in the troops that were preparing for defense, comrade Vatutin, for example, was engaged in: training / "running in" troops to fight armored vehicles, up to the use of Molotov cocktails. 3 (three) lines of defense were being prepared. Plus, Stalin held another front behind the troops on the defensive.

    Nevertheless, the enemy broke through the front. Largely thanks to the support of aviation.
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    2. -1
      April 18 2023 09: 32
      Nothing is unshakable. The area of ​​the southern front was more successful for the Fritz! There were more forces. Yes, and the Model is not like Manstein in terms of the offensive!
  25. Uno
    +1
    April 17 2023 19: 42
    In general, I have a bad idea of ​​such mobile teams, not to mention the fact that a lot of them are needed. It's like, like from a trench, they contact the team and say it is necessary to destroy the tank? Especially if everyone says that with the connection "not very". Until they get there, their work may not be required.
  26. +2
    April 17 2023 19: 44
    Quote: Sorrow
    Characteristics change, in leoperd they stuck around with contact. In general, it’s the right thing to do, since in the future you will only have to beat the trap of equipment and you need to grope for features now.

    Only the campaign is not a contact but a knife, their boxes are the same
  27. +1
    April 17 2023 19: 54
    Not so simple. Recently I read an article in the English board, which indicates the paramount importance of covert sniper pairs with long-range rifles, hunters for Russian crews with ATGMs on LBS in the area of ​​​​the main strike of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. -1
      April 18 2023 09: 36
      A long-range sniper is good only in a shooting range. A shot per kilometer is already good luck. Wind and rain are everything for a sniper! Nightmare and interfere at a great distance, yes.
  28. -2
    April 17 2023 20: 01
    On the Kursk Bulge, impenetrable Ferdinands were destroyed mainly by mines. We should think about active minefields along the paths of a possible breakthrough. An explosion of 200 kg of TNT, even ten meters away, will turn the leopard over. A remote-controlled cornet, camouflaged away from the road, will pierce the leopard from behind.
    The first line of defense will always be broken through and destroyed anywhere. When defending, the main thing is to echelon it and equip your near rear for corrected artillery fire, creating fire bags and conditions for targeted use of aviation.
    .
    However, one must understand that the victory of either side will be ensured not by mythical weapons based on "new physical principles", and not even by the notorious drones, but by superiority in communications and means of observation.
    1. -1
      April 18 2023 02: 34
      "Agriculture" - Russian engineering remote mining system Designed for the rapid creation of minefields in especially dangerous areas. 100 times it was already possible to mine everything.
  29. +1
    April 18 2023 01: 51
    The fact is that the developers did not plan that these devices would ever be used against NATO tanks. The weapon was sold to 3 countries and / or used against the Basmachi on AKM tracks. And there both T55 and T72 were the kings of battle
    1. 0
      April 18 2023 09: 39
      Why don't you learn materiel?!!! Board T55 is THICKER than modern Leopard!!!
  30. -1
    April 18 2023 01: 54
    I obviously missed something. Did the Bundes fit Leo 2A5 banderlogs? Unpleasant news. And I really didn’t want to, if they had Leclercs and Abrashi in commercial quantities. It will be hard.
    1. +1
      April 18 2023 09: 40
      The South Korean Panther is more dangerous! And they ordered 1 thousand!
      1. -1
        April 18 2023 09: 48
        And what will they give? Who will pay for such a wedding? Zaluzhnye?
        1. -1
          April 20 2023 15: 53
          The main thing is when will they be able to make them? UVZ tanks 200 per year makes
  31. +2
    April 18 2023 07: 10
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    An additional remote control with convenient control is very necessary for a portable installation. A remote control can increase both the efficiency and safety of the plant operator.

    Surprisingly, the enemy, who was so laughed at more than a year ago, was able to make an installation with a remote control panel
  32. -1
    April 18 2023 11: 15
    Don't forget about the mines, the tank's weakest point is the caterpillar. And so today, statistics in the news are mainly displayed by tanks. That is, foreign equipment will cover their costs in this type of weapon. Well, without a caterpillar, a tank is a target for hitting its weak points.
  33. -1
    April 18 2023 11: 48
    And such a problem with Yevkurov’s detachments as drones with grenades? Their swarm will fly over the battlefield and the heads of our boys, throwing off vogi and efki. What protection?
  34. 9PA
    0
    April 18 2023 12: 10
    The destruction of tanks is the task of helicopters and UAVs, infantry saturated with anti-tank missiles fired and dumped, tanks with an advantage in range and armor penetration but not special groups eshkin cat
  35. +1
    April 18 2023 13: 10
    The most important thing in all this is the timely detection of the direction of the main blow, if you oversleep, then only throw hats there, or rather corpses.
  36. -1
    April 19 2023 01: 03
    There is a Lancet-3. It is clear that not on the forehead, But from the rear hemisphere is quite capable of hurting. In general, it's time to put into production a purely anti-tank version of the Lancet. Lancet -3 proved its effectiveness, it is necessary to consolidate success.
  37. 0
    April 19 2023 21: 09
    On paper, everything is beautiful, but in reality, as usual.
    I really hope that the existing shortcomings will be eliminated and this wired remote control will be added, otherwise the calculations of the current ATGMs are like forty-five gunners (farewell to the motherland). After the discovery of the calculation ___.

    Here is what they write about Cornet (DShR Rus_ch).

    An excellent device, but, unfortunately, a little does not meet modern requirements.
    1. Weak multiplicity of daytime optics when shooting from 5 km and above.
    2. Lack of a remote control panel. Because
    the rocket must be driven long enough, then it is better to do it from cover when the machine is outside.
    3. Unfortunately, regular tripod legs are not telescopic. By the way, the main disease of machine tools is the backlash in the area where the launcher is attached to the tripod. And even a slight backlash when firing at a long range strongly throws the rocket (there were separations).
    4. A rather weak thermal imager with a target recognition range of no more than 3 km (detection is further, but like a spot) with huge dimensions and a long turn-on time.
    5. Shortage of long-range missiles (especially 9m113FM-3)
    6. On old-style machines, when firing at a long range (7-8 km), the rocket often loses its beam and falls.
  38. 0
    April 20 2023 15: 52
    Initially created as anti-tank tanks, they will go on the Attack. Like assault tanks. Also a change in the ideology of application and tactics.
  39. -1
    April 21 2023 08: 15
    Everything was clear in the Soviet army:
    - anti-tank platoon - 6 anti-tank systems were in the motorized hoof battalion;
    - anti-tank battery - 9 self-propelled anti-tank systems - in the regiment;
    - 9 anti-tank systems in the OIPTADN division.
    Next came the ATGM divisions in the army and front-line anti-tank units.
    Plus 100 mm MT-12 guns from the division and above.
    I feel that these structures were destroyed by the stool reforms, if discussions begin on how to build an anti-tank defense. Although in our time all artillerymen knew about anti-tank strongholds and anti-tank areas.
    Apparently, while they thought that they would have to fight only with the "barmaley", they completely forgot about it.
  40. -1
    April 21 2023 09: 20
    a reasonable and mostly rhetorical question arises why this was not attended to five, ten or fifteen years ago
    Because no one was really going to fight NATO. It’s just that the population needs to be stimulated somehow “shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh And they knew that NATO was not going to either.
  41. 0
    April 21 2023 12: 44
    Quote: Mordvin

    Our reconnaissance has already drowned one tank in a swamp.

    Well, you know about one, but maybe there were two tanks, one above the other. These swamps in the steppes are very treacherous, you know. Everyone can poison bikes.
  42. -1
    April 21 2023 12: 56
    Quote: Hagen
    it would be worth trying on your "inventions" to the current version of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (so that the fingers move behind the thought, and not vice versa). wink
    So write "where you should" be vigilant, citizen !!! And then they will write to you that they were not vigilant enough.
  43. 0
    April 21 2023 19: 46
    The article suggests something, but it is also a consideration of the possibility of active defense associated with the destruction of tanks and armored vehicles. We'll wait and see. am
  44. ear
    0
    April 25 2023 13: 59
    The breakthrough will be stopped by aircraft: helicopters and Su-25s. So the main concern will be to eliminate mobile air defense in the breakthrough zone.

    Well, it is natural to expect a warning strike on airfields on the day of the offensive. I would suggest HIMARS long-range missiles as the main strike tool. In addition, they will use something to oversaturate missile defense airfields (rocket artillery, jammers, traps, I am not an expert and do not know all the possibilities).

    The strike on airfields will be the main part. If it passes, a breakthrough is guaranteed, especially if the element of surprise can be maintained. It remains only to guess how deep.

    If surprise fails, then the attackers will be rolled out with very large clubs. They will not be petty.

    Perhaps these batons are a backup option for those who defend themselves. The problem is exactly at the moment of hit, and therefore it is difficult to use them, since you can put your own. That is, it can be used only if the extension is opened, the approach time allows, or when the defenders are no longer there. But does Russia have the ability to target in this situation? So far, the latter has not been seen from my couch.
    1. ear
      0
      April 28 2023 23: 04
      In support of my previous comment.

      In order for Russian aviation to fly safely and hit tanks, Ukrainian air defense needs to be reloaded. What has been and done in recent news...
  45. 0
    April 28 2023 18: 53
    Everyone will burn: both abrams and leopadls. The main thing is to competently organize "meetings" for them.
  46. 0
    12 May 2023 03: 51
    A little about our anti-tank units for the destruction of Western tanks in Ukraine
    I wonder why he has such a sad face.
    Apparently he understands what awaits him in Ukraine.
  47. 0
    28 May 2023 06: 10
    What other anti-tank "units"?
    ATGMs should be in each platoon and not in specialized units.
  48. 0
    30 May 2023 13: 14
    Each BMP has an ATGM, that is, 10 in a company, at least. The battalion has an anti-tank platoon. There is an anti-tank battery in the regiment / brigade. Therefore, it should not be difficult for a company to destroy a tank platoon, and it is also possible to stop the advance of a tank company. It is only necessary to correctly determine the tank-hazardous directions, competently organize the fire system, and anti-tank barriers, including mine-explosive ones.
  49. 0
    13 June 2023 06: 56
    Not surprising. Basically as a technique, the tanks themselves are modernized Soviet ones. Hmm ... and they are fighting on both sides. And where are the regiments "Armat" or sho !? only for parades!
    The same can be said about anti-tank weapons! It seems that the development of these with us was suspended for 30 !!! Years!
    And only the means changed a little ... in Soviet devices they are too archaic. Modernization, "nano technology" is called!