Grids and bars - a simple wunderwaffe of the XNUMXst century: on the eve of massive attacks by Ukrainian FPV drones

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Grids and bars - a simple wunderwaffe of the XNUMXst century: on the eve of massive attacks by Ukrainian FPV drones

A huge number of weapons have been created to destroy ground combat vehicles for various purposes. They were primarily designed to defeat tanks - this can be formulated as the motto "everyone loves to shoot at tanks." The range and number of anti-tank weapons are so great that the ability of the tanks themselves to shoot at each other in our time is quite rare.

Everything that was invented to destroy tanks perfectly destroys all other, less protected types of combat vehicles, such as infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) and armored personnel carriers (APCs), towed and self-propelled artillery mounts (ACS), multiple launch rocket systems ( MLRS) and much more.



The most effective means of defeating ground combat vehicles include anti-tank guided missile systems (ATGMs) firing anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), and their variations - tank guided missiles (TUS), hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers (RPGs), guided artillery shells (UAS) and mines with semi-active laser guidance, self-aiming cluster submunitions attacking the roof with an impact core, various anti-tank mines and much more. Recently, another threat to ground combat vehicles has appeared - this is kamikaze UAVs, one of the varieties of which are retrofitted FPV-drones.

For a long time, the evolution of armored vehicles followed the path of strengthening protection against the most relevant types of threats, the main of which were considered RPGs and ATGMs, as well as armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber projectiles (BOPS), which could be used by enemy tanks. However, in the end, everything rests on the theory of probability - what is the chance for a tank to meet with BOPS? And what is the chance to meet with ATGMs or RPGs?

But what if in the short term the greatest probability of destroying not only tanks, but also ground combat vehicles as a whole will come from kamikaze UAVs?

According to some reports, the number of FPV drones that could be accumulated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine ranges from several tens to hundreds of thousands of units. Really it or not, the near future will show. But, even if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have such a number of FPV kamikaze drones, then it will not be possible to ignore the experience of their effective use on ground combat vehicles in any case. Moreover, no matter how much they say that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) have few UAVs, the most on the Internet is the footage of the destruction of Ukrainian military equipment by Russian Lancet-type kamikaze UAVs.


UAV-kamikaze "Lancet". Image by wikipedia.org

In addition to kamikaze UAVs, a relatively new, massively used method of destroying military equipment has become the release of unguided ordnance modified or specially manufactured for this purpose from hovering quadrocopter (octacopter / hexacopter) UAVs. This method is effectively used by both sides - the network is full of videos of the defeat, both of individual fighters and ground military equipment, up to the main battle tanks (MBT), which are often affected by dropping small-sized ammunition into open hatches.

Both kamikaze UAVs and hovering bomber drones most often hit ground combat equipment in its upper projection. Based on this threat, ground forces on both sides began to carry out handicraft equipment of equipment with protective equipment - various lattice visors and mesh barriers. We will talk about them in more detail.

Grilles


Lattice screens have been used on ground armored vehicles for quite a long time. This was not due to the need to protect against UAVs, but to the task of increasing the resilience of combat vehicles when hit by ammunition with a cumulative warhead. In a number of situations, with a successful hit of the cumulative ammunition into the lattice screen for the target, its premature detonation was ensured, at a distance that was not optimal in terms of armor penetration and subsequent barrier action.

Protection is not the most effective, however, widely used. Lattice screens are installed where it is impossible or difficult to put massive armor protection and / or dynamic protection units. The network is full of images, both Russian and foreign samples of ground military equipment, hung with lattice screens, like a Christmas tree with toys.


Wheeled tank M1128 MGS and blown up by an improvised explosive device armored personnel carrier on a Stryker chassis protected by lattice screens. Image by wikipedia.org

After the start of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO), when the problem with the Javelin ATGM hitting the upper projection of Russian tanks was revealed, they began to install the so-called "visors" - lattice screens above the tower. However, as it turned out, this solution also has disadvantages - in some cases, a damaged "visor" can block the exit of the crew from their wrecked car, dooming him to death from a fire or captivity.

Thus, lattice screens are a niche solution. Not to say that they are highly effective, but, on the other hand, sometimes they can save the life of a combat vehicle, or at least its crew. And given the simplicity and low cost of installing lattice screens, there is no doubt that they have a great future.

Nets


The high efficiency of the Russian Lancet kamikaze UAVs forced the Armed Forces of Ukraine to look for solutions to increase the security of ground combat equipment. The simplest solution was the widespread use of metal meshes.

The key difference between kamikaze UAVs and ATGMs or RPG rounds is their low flight speed. If the average flight speed of an ATGM or an RPG shot is about 600-900 kilometers per hour, then the speed of a kamikaze UAV rarely exceeds 150-200, less often 300 kilometers per hour. In addition, kamikaze UAVs have developed aerodynamic planes, propellers, and their bodies are often made of plastic.

Thus, a metal mesh, which poses almost no threat to ATGMs or RPG rounds, can become a serious obstacle to kamikaze UAVs, especially FPV drones. On the Internet, there are images of Lancet kamikaze UAVs stuck in the nets that protected Ukrainian combat vehicles. Of course, there is a possibility that these pictures were staged, but, most likely, there were indeed cases of failure of the Lancet kamikaze UAV when it hit the grid.


UAV-kamikaze of the Lancet type, crashed on a protective net over a 122-mm self-propelled howitzer 2S1 "Gvozdika" of the armed forces of Ukraine

But this is not the main thing, since the Lancet kamikaze UAV is quite complex and relatively expensive. weapon. Another thing is FPV drones, which can be assembled from tens of thousands of Chinese components, equipped with RPG-7 shots and used to massively destroy enemy combat vehicles and manpower.

If the Armed Forces of Ukraine really accumulated tens of thousands of FPV drones, if this is not Ukrainian propaganda, then they will most likely be used in the course of the alleged offensive. Even if only every tenth FPV drone destroys the target, the losses of Russian ground combat vehicles could be in the thousands. And this is a one-sided game - for now we will produce or restore combat vehicles from storage warehouses, or receive them as military aid from third countries, the enemy will accumulate even more FPV kamikaze drones to destroy it.

Of course, there is a chance that a massive strike by FPV drones will be reflected with the help of electronic warfare (EW). But are we sure that we will be able to close all the sites? Or that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, realizing the potential effectiveness of electronic warfare, will not take measures to neutralize them?

Destroying FPV drones even in warehouses is also unlikely to succeed - the enemy will distribute their storage sites, limiting themselves to a relatively small number of UAVs stored in one place.

Thus, Russian ground combat vehicles need to provide additional protection against FPV kamikaze drones, and the use of metal meshes and gratings can be the simplest and most inexpensive solution.

Anti-drone grid-grid screen (PDESR)


Grid-grid anti-drone screen kits can potentially be installed on almost any ground combat and support equipment that can be attacked by FPV drones. And if the enemy has tens of thousands of FPV drones available, then they will attack everything that is possible.

It can be assumed that the optimal solution would be to divide the PDESR into its constituent elements:

- basic part;
- hiking kit;
- Combat kit.

The base part is a set of fasteners, brackets, rigidly fixed to the combat vehicle, for example, by welding - it can simply be a piece of pipe welded to the body with a hole for an oblique transverse pin, or some more complex embedded structure.

Travel kit - a set of protective elements that should be used when transporting military equipment, they can partially limit the operation of military vehicles. At the same time, the hiking kit should provide the maximum area of ​​​​protection against kamikaze UAVs.


Ukrainian 122-mm self-propelled guns 2S1 "Gvozdika", covered with mesh screens "from head to toe"

Combat kit - a set of protective elements that should not limit the operation of combat vehicles, however, the area and effectiveness of protection provided by a combat kit may be worse than that of a traveling kit.

For example, a traveling kit can prevent the tank turret from turning 360 degrees, but cover its entire upper projection, and a combat kit will not interfere with combat work, but will only cover the turret and some area next to it.

What other requirements may apply to the PDESR?

Quick assembly and disassembly - no more than 5-10 minutes. Safe-destructible design - for example, if a tank in a marching set was attacked and forced to engage in battle, then the turret turn should safely demolish the interfering PDESR, without damaging the elements of the tank. The same applies to contact with obstacles, for example, if the set of PDESR installed on the MLRS did not pass the height under the bridge, then the set of PDESR should suffer, and not the MLRS or the bridge. Elements of the PDESR should not impede the evacuation of the crew (if necessary).

What additional benefits can the installation of PDESR provide?

A camouflage net can be laid on top of the grid / grid, which reduces the likelihood of detecting a combat vehicle in the visible, thermal, and possibly in the radar wavelength ranges. Despite the fact that the main advantages of the PDESR should be revealed when countering kamikaze UAVs, it is possible that in some cases this protection can increase the likelihood of the attacked combat vehicle surviving from other means of attack - ATGMs, RPGs, automatic cannons and heavy machine guns. Most likely, the effect will be insignificant, but still.

PDESR kits can be produced in huge quantities by public and private companies. This does not require nanotechnology and quantum processors. Potentially, it is possible to saturate the armed forces with them in the shortest possible time.

The main problem is the choice of the optimal configuration of the PDESR for various ground combat vehicles, the implementation of which will require the assistance of the RF Armed Forces. In the event that existing regulatory documents hinder the creation of sets of grid-grid anti-drone screens, then development can be carried out on the basis of ground combat vehicles available, for example, in the supply of the private military company (PMC) Wagner (of course, if they are interested in this ), and then these developments can be adapted for the RF Armed Forces.

However, the issue of development and widespread introduction of grid-grid anti-drone screens does not require any delay or bureaucracy. In fact, this should have been done yesterday, more precisely, at least six months ago, when our Lancets began to gather their harvest in abundance.

Earlier, in the material Well, let's wait until the Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs begin to fall on our heads, we have already talked about how it is possible to increase the security against long-range kamikaze UAV attacks of buildings and structures on the territory of the Russian Federation. The introduction of grid-grid anti-drone screens to protect ground combat vehicles from tactical-level kamikaze UAVs, as well as from FPV drones, is no less, if not more important, since creating stocks of tactical-level kamikaze UAVs (including stocks of FPV- drones) Ukraine is much easier than long-range kamikaze UAVs.

Primitive devices, costing several tens of thousands of rubles, can save millions, or even billions of rubles, in the form of ground combat vehicles not lost from enemy kamikaze UAVs, and, more importantly, the lives of fighters of the RF Armed Forces, PMC "Wagner" and others departments participating in the SVO.
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  1. +11
    April 15 2023 04: 59
    You look at the design of the protective screen on Solntsepeka provided in the photo and immediately the question is, "why not make the upper part of the screen in the form of an arch or a" house "so that free-falling ammunition bounces to the side, rolls down and does not explode directly above the package with guides equipped very dangerous ammunition.
    The ends (front and rear) of the guide package should also be covered with folding lattice screens.
    1. +10
      April 15 2023 06: 15
      Quote: assault
      You look at the design of the protective screen on Solntsepeka provided in the photo and immediately the question is, "why not make the upper part of the screen in the form of an arch or a" house "so that free-falling ammunition bounces to the side, rolls down and does not explode directly above the package with guides equipped very dangerous ammunition.

      Everything is new, in fact, the resuscitation of the old!

      The first serial British tank MarkI (male) with a grid over the hull from hand grenades.

      His MarkV followers (boy and girl) with similar meshes!
      All the good days!
      1. +1
        April 15 2023 06: 22
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Everything is new, in fact, the resuscitation of the old!

        The ancient art of creating three-dimensional chain-link fences.

        1. -3
          April 15 2023 11: 48
          Nylon fishing nets are many times lighter, much cheaper and hardly less effective. In the Great Patriotic War, they simply did not exist.
          Isn't it time for the president and parliamentarians to think about lifting the simply insane ban on the distribution of nylon nets. This prohibition directly works in favor of the enemy, who does not have such restrictions. Even Vladlen Tatarsky mentioned this ban that interferes with protecting equipment. Otherwise, instead of "bull-boom kerasiki", our equipment is already sinking and damaged, and the nation as a whole risks very much.
    2. Maz
      0
      April 19 2023 16: 46
      "!If the average flight speed of an ATGM or an RPG shot is about 600–900 kilometers per hour "The author didn't mix up anything? Maybe 200-350 meters per second? You are there before you write, check the performance characteristics of products on the wikipedia at least. We remember it by heart. We were taught. professionalism of the author.And in the sense of necessity - read more article
      1. +1
        25 June 2023 15: 47
        Didn't they teach physics with mathematics? 900 km/h is 250 m/s.
  2. +4
    April 15 2023 05: 16
    This will not help if the drone is equipped with an impact core like NLAW. The impact core can maintain penetration of 5-10 cm even from a distance of 50 meters. The actual cumulative jet of a conventional RPG is also a kind of impact core and retains penetration of several meters, although armor-piercing drops. This is the reason why nets are not used against ATGMs and RPGs. The cumulative ammunition that worked on the grid will reach the armored vehicle. In the case of the impact core, a "wide aperture" is used so that the cumulative "pestle" gathers more into a "fist" rather than a "scrap". An impact core is easier to make than a regular RPG charge, because. RPG required higher quality funnel fabrication. Impact cores are usually lighter. In NLAW, only 1,5 kg. I think the same Lancet has had a version with a shock core for a long time, but we won’t see it before the “offensives”, because. the impact core has more of a stopping effect for the machine than a striking one. An armored car paralyzed on the battlefield will quickly be finished off even from antiques like Fagot.
    1. 0
      April 15 2023 10: 00
      Indeed, gratings do not protect very effectively from ATGMs and RPGs. But the bars help well against small cumulative fragmentation grenades in 40-mm caliber and small drones. So if the question is to raise, or not to raise, then definitely, gratings on equipment are needed. The only question is how much and how?
    2. +5
      April 15 2023 10: 38
      Quote from russianreactor
      The actual cumulative jet of a conventional RPG is also a kind of impact core and retains penetration of several meters, although armor-piercing drops.

      Lord! Why invent here when there are established concepts about the effectiveness of "kuma"! "Kuma" is maintained at a distance of up to 10-12 funnel diameters (when using "scarce" and expensive materials, up to 17 d ...) Further, the COP (cumulative jet) breaks up! What are the "several meters" here? When describing the CS, the concept of "pest" is introduced, and not "a kind of impact core"! By the way, it is the "shock-nuclear" charge (SPS, EFP) that is a kind of shaped charge, and not vice versa ...
      Quote from russianreactor
      In the case of the impact core, a "wide aperture" is used so that the cumulative "pestle" gathers more into a "fist" rather than a "scrap".

      Yes ... by varying the geometric parameters of the "funnel" you can get a "shock core" of various geometric sizes ... but the most "massive" use of UYa is, nevertheless, a "scrap"!


      Quote from russianreactor
      I think the same Lancet has a version with a shock core for a long time,

      Or maybe it would be worth paying attention to the fact that almost all "direct attack" anti-tank missiles (and not only! ... for example, "Javelin" ...) are equipped with shaped charges (shaped charge)! And not with EFP charges ... (For example, I even doubt that the BILL / BILL-2, NLAW birds are equipped with EFP charges (as everyone thinks ...), and not shaped charge!) Because "armor-piercing "EFP charges are much lower than shaped charges! [If the armor penetration of shaped charges (SC) reaches up to 6-8 d and even up to 12 d when using especially dense (and expensive ...) materials and "high-detonation" explosives ... then the UYA "pierces" 1-2 d at best, or even less ...] There is another "flaw" in the UY ... "the effect of a bullet with a displaced center" ... that is, breaking through the protective screen, the UY can "slam" flat on the armor or " fragment" !
      1. -1
        April 15 2023 13: 00
        A few meters of a cumulative jet is quite within the power
      2. -1
        April 15 2023 13: 20
        UYa breaks through several layers without fragmenting
      3. 0
        April 15 2023 20: 09
        The impact core seems to provide a distance of destruction up to a thousand diameters. I remember that in the early 90s I met in the press a description of a land drone (although they didn’t know such words then), which carried a cumulative charge that hit armored vehicles in side projections with a shock core. As I understand it, there was a charge caliber of about half a meter. That is, the distance of defeat is about three hundred meters. Yes, and side armor is rarely more than 500 mm in equivalent
    3. 0
      April 15 2023 15: 35
      there were photos of drones just getting tangled and, by the way, in soft nets.
      1. +2
        April 15 2023 18: 32
        Fishing nets made of strong fishing line to protect against drones have been asked for on the front lines more than once, but they cannot be delivered, due to a legal ban on their distribution in the European part of the country.
        True, it is strange that the parliamentarians surprisingly hurried with the ban shortly before the start of hostilities in Ukraine.
        And the ban is just as stubbornly not removed, despite the urgent need for such a cheap, easy and effective remedy.
  3. +3
    April 15 2023 05: 20
    primitive devices, worth several tens of thousands of rubles, can save millions, or even billions of rubles, in the form of ground combat vehicles not lost from enemy kamikaze UAVs, and, more importantly, the lives of fighters of the RF Armed Forces, Wagner PMC and other units, participating in SVO.

    The key word is primitive.
    Remember how in the army each vehicle was equipped with SMU?

    And it was possible to hang ordinary rags (rags) on the headlights and save the country millions of rubles ...
    * * *
    At parades, will such equipment also go with “primitive modifications”, showing the world the imperfection and rigidity of industrial (military) production in the country? But doesn’t such a visor need to be attached to Shoigu’s Aurus?
    * * *
    The development of means of combating technology is ahead of the production of protection. But in principle, there is something that allows you to bring down all these quadrocopters, like flies with dichlorvos?
    1. 0
      April 15 2023 05: 32
      And it was possible to hang ordinary rags (rags) on the headlights and save the country millions of rubles ...

      "The need for inventions is cunning." The main thing is that "reasoning" works for people, and with the rest - God forbid, after the victory we will figure it out.
      1. +12
        April 15 2023 05: 50
        Quote: Egoza
        and with the rest - God forbid, after the victory we will figure it out.

        That's it ... All hope is in God and in General Frost ...
        They say we don't judge winners. After the victory, no one will deal with the nuances.
        And it is impossible to win with desires and "Wishlist" alone. Sometimes technical equipment is required for personnel, ranging from enemy weapons and means of communication (control) to the provision of food and medicine.
        * * *
        I have only one question:
        “When will the country stop producing separately equipment for parades and equipment for war?”
        1. +3
          April 15 2023 06: 24
          I have only one question:
          “When will the country stop producing separately equipment for parades and equipment for war?”

          Agree with Ross - completely!
          Developing his thought, a topical question arises, what prevents such a screen from protecting Solntsepeki (Pinocchio) while still on the conveyor?

          Moreover, this mesh also contributes to the disguise of the car!
    2. +2
      April 15 2023 12: 46
      From the point of view of science, it seems that you can plant any quadric, the whole problem is the necessary power of the device and two, so that your equipment does not burn out from this. In theory, it is generally possible to make territories that are flightless for drones, but again, everything depends on the power of the emitters.
  4. +10
    April 15 2023 06: 02
    Lattice screens have been used on ground armored vehicles for quite a long time. This was not due to the need to protect against UAVs, but to the task of increasing the resilience of combat vehicles when hit by ammunition with a cumulative warhead. In a number of situations, with a successful hit of the cumulative ammunition into the lattice screen for the target, its premature detonation was ensured, at a distance that was not optimal in terms of armor penetration and subsequent barrier action.


    Someone, explain to the author why a lattice screen is needed. And how does a cumulative warhead work, in the case of light equipment "from side to side", hehe "at a distance that is not optimal from the point of view" wassat .

    PS. Somehow I miss the author's projects "to load a submarine of project 636 with thousands of tons of explosives, cut down the cabin and send it in the form of a drone"; "Airborne Forces to transfer to a buggy"; "PMC for copters".
    There is something charming and substantive in such projects, as one mustachioed person would say.
    1. +3
      April 15 2023 11: 47
      Quote: Wildcat
      Someone, explain to the author why a lattice screen is needed.
      On this site, one American (I don’t remember my nickname) said that a hit on the grate distorts the cumulative funnel and the pestle does not form.
      1. +1
        April 15 2023 17: 54
        Thank you, kind person.

        And then I was just going to post a quote from Wiki: "Slat armor is a rigid slatted metal grill fitted around key sections of the vehicle that destroys the warhead's shaped charge, either destroying it, preventing optimal detonation, or damaging the fuse, preventing detonation entirely. Although lattice armor is effective against incoming missiles, it does not provide complete protection - the lattice design does not prevent up to 50% of missile strikes."

        1. It's not perfect protection.
        2. It is necessary to make it so that it destroys the ammunition. It is not necessary to make it so that it works 30 cm from armor 2 cm thick.
  5. +2
    April 15 2023 06: 29
    In war, the ingenuity to create homemade protective devices works many times faster. And the most successful option, which has proven itself, naturally begins to be replicated.
    Primitive devices costing several tens of thousands of rubles can save millions or even billions of rubles.
    Fighters first of all think about their safety and the safety of the car, and as a rule, in this case they do not think about saving money. But the result is two in one.
  6. -1
    April 15 2023 07: 21
    Kamikaze UAVs, one of the varieties of which are retrofitted FPV drones.

    No need to be smart, decipher FPV.
    1. +1
      April 15 2023 08: 41
      I'm also interested - what is fpv, otherwise it's some kind of valuntarism wassat
    2. +2
      April 15 2023 09: 44
      Operated by the operator on a videocamera. The principle is similar to that of the lancet, but much cheaper, simpler and with a smaller radius of action. Distribution received in the form of amateur aircraft models. In essence, an FPV drone is a radio-controlled foam airplane or a quadric for 300 bucks plus an RPG grenade.
    3. +2
      April 15 2023 10: 40
      Do you propose to write VOPL? This will certainly have to be deciphered by everyone, unlike the abbreviation FPV.
    4. +4
      April 15 2023 11: 48
      Quote: Konnick
      No need to be smart, decipher FPV
      First person view - first-person view, as if you are lying on the UAV, looking ahead.
      1. +1
        April 15 2023 20: 57
        In short, a quadric with a remote-controlled camera. I understand. And then fpv, fpv ...
  7. -1
    April 15 2023 07: 25
    Such drones cannot carry any shot from an RPG due to their low payload.
    It's time for ordinary grenades, that's their limit. Therefore, all the stories about tens of thousands of tank killers are just propaganda.
    And against the enemy nets on lancets, they began to use an impact core.
    1. -2
      April 15 2023 08: 26
      Yes Yes Yes. Hundreds of our armored vehicles already destroyed by FPV Drones with shots from RPG-7 is propaganda. Yeah. From people like you more harm than from the enemy.


      1. +4
        April 15 2023 09: 51
        Quote from cold wind
        Hundreds of our armored vehicles already destroyed FPV Drones with shots from RPG-7 is propaganda

        That's hundreds.)
        Not 10-15 pieces? Namely HUNDREDS?
        Can you provide any evidence for this assertion?
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            1. +3
              April 15 2023 14: 00
              What evidence do Banderlogs have? Mustache and tail))) And this boy ColdWind is clearly one of those.
          2. 0
            April 15 2023 15: 34
            ColdWind how much is Tsipso paying now? angry
            1. -1
              April 15 2023 20: 11
              CIPSO pays you rather than him. So here it is. ColdWind writes as is, and you confuse.
          3. +3
            April 15 2023 18: 25
            СOLDWIND Stop lying, I saw a video where a drone catches up with an infantry fighting vehicle with open doors at the Norgs and this was before our departure
            from Kherson it’s enough to manipulate the contrast, giving out the video as new every time. And with the Solntsepek, the crews load into the container exactly as much as it shoots.
            1. -2
              April 15 2023 20: 14
              Well, finally. There were still doubts about you, but now they have disappeared!
              Shall we continue to deny the effectiveness of enemy drones?
        2. 0
          9 June 2023 22: 15

          The late Vladlen Tatarsky confirms.
    2. +4
      April 15 2023 09: 40
      The warhead from the RPG-7 cumulative shot WEIGHS LESS than 1 kilogram. So everything is real.
      1. 0
        April 17 2023 09: 02
        It is interesting how the task of initiating the charge is solved, the standard RPG-7 grenade system at such a speed will work according to the blonde principle - "either I work or not."
  8. -3
    April 15 2023 07: 33
    Nets are installed from dropped ammunition, such as grenades and mines, and for some reason the author believes from kamikaze UAVs. Such nets as in the photo in the title of the article will not stop a diving drone, but it will save you from a grenade. With the advent of heat, our tankers began to leave hatches open, as a result, according to my information, 19 tanks were disabled by grenades from quadrocopters, only in April. And to blow up Solntsepek with ammunition ... The whole article is sucked from the finger, such closely spaced grates as in the photo of Solntsepek, from grenades, as Kote pane Kokhanka correctly noted, the new is the well-forgotten old.
    1. +2
      April 15 2023 09: 51
      It would be logical to make the gratings lifting, that is, the grating rises above the Solntsepek missile package or above the tank turret in case of a drone attack,. and when there is no danger, the grating lies on the tank turret .. For this, it is required to mount the grating screen on a hinged rod structure such as a current collector pantograph (like on the roofs of trams and electric trains) The pantograph allows you to increase the height of the grating by a meter or more. without a significant increase in the dimensions of the tank
      1. +3
        April 15 2023 10: 22
        Exactly! Lattices should be as complex and convenient as possible. Solutions in the form of pantographs and folding umbrellas are also suitable. And the grilles should be removable, folding, sliding, with doors, with guides and rollers for pulling camouflage nets, with springs and bearings. And on the equipment, additional stiffeners with mounting holes and other fasteners must be provided in advance.
        Even the mechanical faculties of universities can be involved in the development of lattice designs, the result will be faster. And if a competition with prizes is announced, then they will simply fill up with offers.
  9. -4
    April 15 2023 09: 27
    To defeat armored vehicles, current UAVs must fall on it. The speeds are small, they fly up from above, they are clearly visible against the sky. An ordinary electronically controlled shotgun will completely solve the problem. And even against Javelin will help.
    However, I wrote about this a year ago.
    Give money for development, Elvira Sakhipzadovna!
    1. +1
      April 15 2023 10: 07
      Here, at least hunting shotguns would be given to the crews and escorts, but this is not the case. Although I saw that some people still use it. And what is especially offensive, volunteers cannot start hunting pump-action shotguns, the restrictions on hunting weapons are simply brutal, however, as well as on fishing nets, which could also be used for cover.
      I can even assume that the initiators of unprecedentedly harsh bans on hunting weapons and nylon fishing nets promoted their initiatives with intent, foreseeing increased demand in the upcoming conflict. Sometimes complex questions have simple answers.
  10. +1
    April 15 2023 10: 04
    Well, so that tanks and self-propelled guns do not stand with open hatches ... is it a burden for our industry or is it a bastard to equip them all with kondeya? Or is it, well, such the most complicated technological device - like a video recorder in the 90s, which had cosmic accuracy in positioning the head to the cassette tape ... I remember the explanation on TV for an hour by one high-born woodpecker.
    1. +3
      April 15 2023 10: 34
      Is our industry a burden or a bastard to equip them all with kondeya?

      This is a matter of the competence of the Ministry of Defense, and the industry is not a burden.
      JSC "Conditioner" (Gagarin). All of them are thermoelectric, the principle of operation is based on the "Peltier effect"
      TEK-02M was installed on the Algerian T-90S, it is also molded in the T-90M

      On the T-14 they put TEK-01-2
      And now on the TEK-03M conveyor.
      Virtually any tank can be equipped
      ---
      But this will not change anything: the hatch will be opened and kept open
      1. +1
        April 17 2023 09: 10
        Eh, extremely expensive elements, and if you take into account the military performance, then the price tag is fantastic. I wonder what justifies their use on a tank in a vulnerable external container, this is not an aircraft or a nuclear submarine, where this is really necessary. It was also possible to put a classic refrigeration machine on ammonia. Cheap and efficient.
  11. +1
    April 15 2023 12: 38
    there is a chance that a massive strike by FPV drones will be reflected with the help of electronic warfare (EW).


    And what examples of successful use of electronic warfare in the course of NWO do we know? From what I know:
    1) hijacking and landing enemy "mavics"
    2) repeated falls of "distant" enemy drones far from significant targets, which are linked to the actions of electronic warfare behind the front line, where electronic warfare does not interfere with their own

    I have seen a lot of spectacular pictures of "tripods" with anti-drone "domes" and guns, but I don't know any examples of effective protection against drones. Which may well be my own ignorance.

    Regarding grids - a great, simple and cheap solution! Networks can also be camouflage (also against drones, by the way). But it will only work until counter-measures are applied. The military history knows a lot of examples of the use of protective nets - from balloons to booms. A tandem shot seems to be an effective way to overcome networks. Either with modified ammunition, or deliberately spend the first drone on the net, and hit the hole with the second.
  12. +1
    April 15 2023 12: 44
    Quote: igorbrsv
    what is fpv,


    FPV - First Person View, first person view. They fundamentally differ from classic copters in that the control is analog, which greatly complicates the work of the pilot, as there are no automatic modes that help the pilot, but increases the speed of maneuver and noise immunity. The control of such a drone takes place in special glasses, and not from a tablet; pilot training takes a long time. But the possibilities are much higher precisely because of the quick maneuvers - to fly into the door, window, hatch, fly around the armored vehicles and hit strictly in the most unprotected places - behind the tower, for example.
    1. +4
      April 15 2023 16: 49
      Quote: Proctologist
      FPV - First Person View, first person view. They fundamentally differ from classic copters in that the control is analog

      Any drone can be a first-person drone. you can do it from a computer or tablet, or connect special glasses absolutely do not care.
      Of course, there is no analog control there, all the more so some more resistant to interference. Just turn off the automatic positioning system that helps piloting and that's it.
      It seems that many commentators have similar knowledge about drones as you do.
      For understanding, my first fc40 phantom appeared a little less than ten years ago.
  13. 0
    April 15 2023 16: 43
    Quote: Xenofont
    WEIGHTS LESS THAN 1kg

    And now we are looking at the list of drones that can lift a kilogram, especially among those that are controlled from the first person, we understand that there are very few of them.
  14. +2
    April 15 2023 17: 23
    Flamethrowers, stuff cut branches into the nets and get a disguise. And in general plus smokes, smokes and smokes. You, himari, put the UDSH checkers on the sides and get as much smoke as you like. The TOS members did the same in the second Chechen one and it was normal. In the SA, issues of camouflage were given the utmost importance in the late 80s, even the post of wartime deputy was introduced. front commander for camouflage.
  15. +1
    April 15 2023 21: 42
    KAZ "Afghanit" is not much ahead of time, today it is just right! good
    The main thing is that the Ministry of Defense would fuss quickly, and not count on lattices and grids !!!
    Also, each combat vehicle should be equipped with an automatic electronic warfare station for jamming UAVs, maybe as an automatic-guided anti-aircraft gun, along with a machine gun! (Chances to shoot down increase).
    Unfortunately, saving against technology is not the way to win! Only technology will bring victory!!! soldier
  16. 0
    April 16 2023 07: 45
    By the way, why save can be easier with a steel sheet of 2-3 mm instead of a grid.
  17. -1
    April 16 2023 18: 47
    PDESR kits can be produced in huge quantities by public and private companies.

    And it was possible to hang ordinary rags (rags) on the headlights and save the country millions of rubles ...

    "The need for inventions is cunning." The main thing is that "reasoning" works for people, and with the rest - God forbid, after the victory we will figure it out.

    “When will the country stop producing separately equipment for parades and equipment for war?”


    When the Ministry of Defense starts ordering equipment for the troops, and not for parades, and in the appropriate quantity; when each order for the Ministry of Defense that passed by the "right contractor" ceases to be checked sequentially by several supervisory agencies; when the Government will tell the citizens that the NWO is going to start before it starts and will not then, after failures, call for rallying; when those who made military and political mistakes in planning, launching and conducting the NWO will be removed from their posts and will be retired; when the Ministry of Defense realizes that holding a tank biathlon in August 2022 was wrong ...

    Then maybe the enemies will come to us and say that they want to serve such a country. And not Ukraine, where everything is through a stump-deck.
  18. 0
    April 16 2023 19: 11
    uh-huh, they're shooting stones at us - let's weave shields... right? In my opinion, the algorithm should be like this - triangulation of the control signal and applying an art strike to the item. The signal is constant, the range is most likely achievable, and it takes time to train operators ....
  19. 0
    April 16 2023 20: 55
    Quote: Dmitriy22
    uh-huh, they're shooting stones at us - let's weave shields... right? In my opinion, the algorithm should be like this - triangulation of the control signal and applying an art strike to the item. The signal is constant, the range is most likely achievable, and it takes time to train operators ....


    A trick is enough to get a triangle. Agree. What about the time to pass on the information? And the time for "strike"? And time for... Time... Time... Time...
  20. -1
    April 17 2023 00: 50
    - It would not be superfluous to test in combat conditions, dropping containers (glass jars) filled with incendiary mixtures from small quadrocopters to the most vulnerable places of military equipment ..

    1. Glass jars (1l., 3l.) - according to the carrying capacity of the quadric, in several pieces, dropped to the stern of the tank, where the intake manifold of the engine air filter is located - will be able to disable this engine. Along with incendiary liquids, use rapidly evaporating - technical alcohol.

    2. On wheeled armored vehicles - set fire to the wheels.

    3. Well, vehicles carrying ammunition will become easy prey.

    4. Metal nets in this case will become less effective protection.
  21. 0
    21 May 2023 09: 30
    I wonder if we have PTAB decl weights in our warehouses, in my opinion, you can freely hang it on the drone and the foshizd tank will work and the self-propelled arte will add optimism to the masses on large drones, they can also be hung in batches, otherwise there’s enough for VOG and mortar mines of which bonbas should not be used according to adversary
  22. 0
    18 June 2023 11: 53
    Lattices with a house must be placed so that the shell jumps off like from a roof