Consequences of aid: reduction of parks and arsenals of Ukraine's foreign partners

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Consequences of aid: reduction of parks and arsenals of Ukraine's foreign partners
NLAW grenade launchers donated by the UK. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine


Foreign countries have long begun to help the Kyiv regime with the supply of various weapons and equipment. At the beginning of last year, the volume of such deliveries increased sharply, and the range of products expanded. As a result, to date, the fleets of vehicles and stocks of a number of countries have seriously decreased, and urgent replenishment of such “losses” is required. At the same time, the need to fill our own arsenals does not exclude future supplies of materiel to Ukraine.



Foreign deliveries


Active deliveries of foreign weapons and equipment to Ukraine started at the beginning of last year. They began with the sending of "defensive weapons" in the form of ATGMs or MANPADS from individual countries. In the future, other European states began to join such assistance. The range of supplied products gradually expanded, at an early stage mainly due to auxiliary equipment.

Getting foreign weapon, Ukrainian formations continued to use the available Soviet-style equipment. However, Russian demilitarization measures quickly led to a significant reduction in the available fleet. As a result, the first foreign armored vehicles went to Ukraine in the spring. In the same period, deliveries of artillery systems, barrel and jet, including advertised ones, began.

By autumn, the range of products arriving in Ukraine included infantry weapons, automotive and light armored vehicles, guns, self-propelled guns, MLRS and even Tanks, as well as various ammunition for all these systems. However, such supplies had a very limited effect. Moreover, newly arriving products regularly become targets for Russian weapons and fall into the list of losses.


Ukrainian howitzer D-20 with a tractor a minute before destruction. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Taking into account the losses of the Kyiv regime, at the end of last year, foreign partners came to a decision to transfer tanks and armored vehicles of several models, incl. modern designs. Now the possibility of supplying combat aircraft is being considered - in view of the critical losses of the Ukrainian Air Force.

International demilitarization


One of the main goals of the Russian Special Operation is the demilitarization of Ukraine - forced disarmament and disabling of the military infrastructure. This task is being successfully solved, and great successes in this matter were made already in the first weeks and months of the operation. In general, we can say that it was then that the outcome of the entire campaign was predetermined. The Kyiv regime suffered serious losses, from which it is impossible to recover even with foreign help.

However, foreign materiel began to arrive in Ukraine, which also have to be destroyed or taken as trophies. Foreign assistance to a certain extent delays the process of neutralizing the Kyiv regime, but leads to curious consequences.

In the current situation, Ukraine's foreign partners took weapons and equipment for supplies from the presence of their armies. At best, it was about products from storage, but often they were taken directly from combat units. Support for Ukrainian formations was essentially carried out at the expense of the deterioration of their own defense capability. Thus, the Russian demilitarization of Ukraine led to the partial disarmament of European armies.


ACS Krab made in Poland. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

At the first stages, they tried to transfer Soviet-style products and weapons to Ukraine that did not require separate training. However, stocks of such materiel were almost completely exhausted last year. These supplies did not affect the general course of events, and foreign partners had to allocate new assistance, already in the form of more modern NATO-style products.

Voluntary losses


The reduction in the total number of foreign parks and arsenals has interesting features. Thus, a number of foreign countries have already completely used up the available stocks of some products. First of all, these are Soviet-made equipment and weapons. They began to be sent before everyone else and in large quantities, which predetermined the imminent end of stocks.

Poland has become one of the most active arms suppliers for Ukraine. Last year, she handed over almost all of the available 300 T-72 tanks of several modifications, and also promised to give similar PT-91s. The delivery of a certain number of Leopard 2 MBTs was also announced. Of the 80 AHS Krab self-propelled guns available, 18 units were given to the ally. It is reported about the possibility of transferring all the remaining MiG-29 fighters.

Germany played a significant role in the aid program. She sent several thousand MANPADS to Ukraine - all stocks of old Soviet-type products. The possibility of transferring old Leopard 1 tanks, incl. all remaining in stock.


Brimstone missile system. Photo Telegram / BMPD

Of interest is the assistance from Slovakia. She provided a small number of old-model Soviet-style helicopters. In addition, after negotiations, she agreed to decommission her only S-300 air defense system in exchange for the supply of a foreign system of a similar purpose.

Thus, the stocks of old Soviet-made weapons in Ukraine and Europe were reduced to a minimum. If current trends continue, they will be completely used up in the coming months. Stocks of NATO-standard products are also suffering, but not to the same extent. However, their exhaustion is only a matter of time.

Replenishment attempts


One of the prerequisites for the formation of the current situation was the rash decisions of the past. After the end of the Cold War, on a wave of optimism, European states sharply cut defense spending. Even the NATO countries have stopped allocating the recommended 2% of the gross domestic product for the needs of the army. As a result, the armed forces have decreased, the volume of purchases of materiel for them has decreased, and the pace of development of new products has fallen. In matters of security, they began to rely only on help from abroad.

In recent years, European governments have been constantly talking about the "Russian threat" and urging to fight it, but the real steps have been minimal and in fact have not produced any result. As a result of this, now Europe and NATO, who want to help the Kyiv regime, have to not only reduce stockpiles, but also write off weapons from combat units.

However, the leaders of the countries see and understand this problem, and even offer ways to deal with it. Thus, Germany and France have already announced a gradual increase in the military budget to the required values. Similar plans are being drawn up in other countries.


Armored car Mastiff British production. Photo Telegram / Dambiev

States that have their own defense industry are working on the issues of its modernization and the launch or expansion of production. Germany, UK, France, etc. are going to independently or with the help of foreign allies to produce the necessary products and carry out rearmament.

For example, Poland, having written off a significant part of its tanks, is forcing the acquisition of new ones. A contract with the United States for the supply of M1A2 MBT with one of the latest modifications has been signed and is being prepared for execution. South Korea will sell its K2s, as well as help with the localization of production at Polish enterprises. In parallel, orders are loaded on their own developers and manufacturers of weapons and equipment.

Large purchases of new weapons to replace those sent to Ukraine are planned by the US Army. She needs artillery shells, ATGMs, MANPADS, etc. In addition, American industry receives orders from European countries for the production of various military products. For example, all the same Poland wants to purchase a large number of modern MLRS M142.

Obvious Problems


The proposed and already implemented plans have a number of problems that will prevent their full implementation. First of all, this is the high cost of any program of mass production or purchase of equipment and weapons. For example, the Polish government plans to spend approx. 3,75 billion US dollars, for which it was necessary to increase and rework the military budget.


ARTHUR radar of one of the Ukrainian air defense units. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

It should be expected that ready-made materiel or its independent production will rise in price significantly. Europe is left without inexpensive energy carriers, which in itself is a big problem. Supply chains are also disrupted and some of the problems that emerged during the pandemic still persist. All these factors can lead to an increase in the cost of products or even to the impossibility of its production.

With all this, foreign states plan to continue to support the Kiev regime. This means that they will have to simultaneously produce weapons and equipment for themselves and for Ukrainian formations. As a result, some new ones will be added to the already known problems. It will be necessary to increase the pace of production, which will lead to an increase in overall costs, etc.

Useless expenses


Thus, the United States, NATO countries and other states that support the Kyiv regime have independently created big problems for themselves. They gave Ukrainian allies a significant part of their weapons, equipment and ammunition, as a result of which their own defense capability suffered. At the same time, such deliveries did not help Ukraine, and the need for new ones remains.

Further shipment of weapons at the same pace poses a direct threat to the own armies of the supplying countries. So they have to take action and order new products. However, in the current economic and political situation, replenishment of voluntary “losses” is associated with a lot of problems. If they cannot be fully resolved, foreign countries will also face demilitarization or, at the very least, a sharp drop in defense capability.
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  1. +1
    April 9 2023 04: 02
    Further shipment of weapons at the same pace poses a direct threat to the own armies of the supplying countries.
    It seems to be the way it should be, which is confirmed by the complaints of many countries that they delivered everything they could and even more. But at the same time, talk about the continuation of the supply of weapons and military equipment to Kyiv does not stop and is confirmed by real actions. It is clear that the West has gone for broke by betting too much on the Ukrainian conflict, including its international image. Therefore, American, Polish, German politicians are becoming more and more hysterical, Stoltenberg is also pushing on the podium.
  2. +1
    April 9 2023 04: 13
    The flow of this financial assistance from the West is not declining, and it looks like it will not be declining.
    The only hope is to reduce the number of Ukronatsiks as a result of the database and somehow block the logistics routes. request
    1. +13
      April 9 2023 06: 41
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The only hope for a reduction in the number of Ukronatsiks as a result of the database

      Alexei's only hope is that our powers that be will stop doing multi-move moves and start fighting for real. hi
      1. +10
        April 9 2023 10: 18
        I join. Igor, your words, yes to God's ears ..
      2. 0
        April 10 2023 13: 05
        And how is it really? Will they rename theirs to super-svoes? The entire range of weapons except nuclear is already involved
  3. +6
    April 9 2023 04: 40
    Now both sides are actively engaged in military necrophilia. Scrap metal and various archaic items are being dragged from the dumps of the Cold War. Ours have reached the fall from the T-50. The Ukrainian army periodically resembles extras for filming a film about the Vietnam War. Really modern weapons like the GMLRS are almost never used. Yes, and the consumption of GMLRS in 9000 missiles for almost 1 million shells in the Armed Forces of Ukraine shows that there is also more likely to shoot a film about the Second World War. All this rubbish is of no particular value to either side. It's pretty obvious that the new wars will be drone wars, not scrapyard wars. Another thing is that the soldiers will give their lives until the landfills run out and new weapons go
    1. +8
      April 9 2023 05: 15
      The thing is, dear people, that in the SA and the army of the Russian Federation there are no tanks called T-50 by you, although for many there is no difference in numbers.
      1. +11
        April 9 2023 06: 43
        Quote: saigon
        in the SA and the army of the Russian Federation there are no tanks called T-50 by you

        Family. But if we discard this blunder, then in fact he is right. Don't you think so, Victor?
        1. +3
          April 9 2023 08: 20
          There is an opinion that TOS will be made from the T-55.
          1. 0
            April 10 2023 13: 07
            What for? Why is this a zoo? What for having a ready platform to do volume on another? It's time, money, busy hands.
        2. +6
          April 9 2023 12: 28
          In fact, I’ll tell you how the infantry, maybe it will come out rudely, maybe not.
          I don't care which tank will work as a self-propelled gun (armored self-propelled gun) supporting, say, a platoon.
          And even if 55, then this is already a ray than an infantry fighting vehicle, he is not bad at the tank in the building and much better than nothing and what you need to ask the elders. Just a stone two-story house with walls under a meter (old houses) 55 disassembles with a bang but not quickly. So here are 55 how self-propelled guns were used before (for a long time of course) and they worked well.
  4. +4
    April 9 2023 05: 31
    Quote: saigon
    The thing is, dear people, that in the SA and the army of the Russian Federation there are no tanks called T-50 by you, although for many there is no difference in numbers.

    How can you not trust an expert?
    drone-expert
    ) on drones and tanks? smile
    1. +3
      April 9 2023 12: 34
      Yes, I honestly don’t believe the experts at all. At least in terms of drones, even in finance. And that the T-55 and T62 can be used to support infantry as self-propelled guns with armor is a fact.
      And that 55 works on land mines on buildings perfectly, too, a fact (I saw the results myself), so hi experts carry what they want.
      Yes, for experts in the ZakVo, the T-55s were in combat units back in 1989, also a fact (the weight is acceptable and they say they were good in the mountains)
  5. +16
    April 9 2023 06: 43
    In the minds of urya-authors and urya-commentators, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist, such as "NATO did not arm itself" and "NATO is a threat to Russia, requiring urgently to start NVO" / "The Ukrainian people are fraternal, albeit besotted" and "Ukrainians, even Russian-speakers are traitors by nature"/"Ukraine has irreversibly lost its combat capability, Western aid will not help it" and "we are fighting in Ukraine from all over NATO, so victorious regroupings are needed and victories themselves."

    And so in everything.

    This is not even an attempt to sit on two chairs, but some kind of mental disorder, as if people live in two parallel universes at once and constantly confuse them
    1. -1
      April 9 2023 06: 57
      Quote: Alexander Emrys
      like "NATO was not armed" and "NATO is a threat to Russia

      NATO is a US tool, and they are a threat.
    2. +3
      April 9 2023 08: 20
      But the positions of the Ukronazis are the height of logic and consistency.
      1. Ukro-air defense shoots down missiles and drones of the Russian Federation in almost 100% of cases, but the air defense system is sorely lacking. Give for Christ's sake, who can.
      2. The Russian tanks are almost completely destroyed by the "Jevelins", but if you do not urgently give the "leopards" and "Abrams", the Russian orcs will already begin to threaten Europe.
      3. Airplanes in the Russian Federation are running out, but F-16s and Eurofighters are urgently needed.
      On the one hand, there are continuous victories, on the other hand, it is terribly dull to go on a counterattack, because everything is not enough.
      1. +5
        April 9 2023 08: 44
        Quote: Illanatol
        But the positions of the Ukronazis are the height of logic and consistency.
        1. Ukro-air defense shoots down missiles and drones of the Russian Federation in almost 100% of cases, but the air defense system is sorely lacking. Give for Christ's sake, who can.
        2. The Russian tanks are almost completely destroyed by the "Jevelins", but if you do not urgently give the "leopards" and "Abrams", the Russian orcs will already begin to threaten Europe.
        3. Airplanes in the Russian Federation are running out, but F-16s and Eurofighters are urgently needed.
        On the one hand, there are continuous victories, on the other hand, it is terribly dull to go on a counterattack, because everything is not enough.


        The fact that uryakalki are illogical not only among us, but also among Ukrainians is natural, otherwise they would not be uryakalki. Ukrainian urya-authors in terms of the degree of absurdity are not inferior to Russian urya-authors in anything
      2. +5
        April 9 2023 10: 55
        Quote: Illanatol
        Ukro-air defense shoots down missiles and drones of the Russian Federation in almost 100% of cases, but the air defense system is sorely lacking. Give for Christ's sake, who can

        Yes, that's right. Air defense is effective, but essentially only protects Kyiv. Much more is needed.
        Quote: Illanatol
        The Russian tanks are almost completely destroyed by the "Jevelins", but if you do not urgently give the "leopards" and "Abrams", the Russian orcs will already begin to threaten Europe.

        Yes, that's right. The tanks that appeared in February last year are mostly destroyed or abandoned. But the Russian Federation has a lot of tanks, the Soviet government tried at the time.

        As for Leo and Abramov, their delivery is needed regardless of the losses of the Russian Federation. Ukraine needs to advance, large mechanized units are needed for the offensive, and there were about a hundred Ukrainian analogues of the T-72B3 at the beginning of last year, and since then there have been no more. Because their plant was made not 2000 km from the border, but twenty (well, almost) - naturally, it was put out of action in the very first days.
        Quote: Illanatol
        The Russian Federation is running out of planes, but F-16s and Eurofighters are urgently needed.

        Airplanes in the Russian Federation are useless anyway, and Ukraine certainly needs modern aviation (of course, with modern weapons). And for the offensive, and for strikes deep into the territory of the Russian Federation, and, for example, for the blockade of Crimea from the sea.
        Quote: Illanatol
        On the one hand, there are continuous victories, on the other hand, it is terribly dull to go on a counterattack, because everything is not enough.

        Yes, that's right. A counterattack is not to fight on the couch. The conditional "technical level of NATO in 91" has not been reached even close, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now some kind of freak mutant. Somewhere good, somewhere a hole. And there are a lot of holes, but "not bad" is not enough.
      3. 0
        April 10 2023 13: 17
        There is very little left before the "counterattack". Here also check "stsikotno" or not. Enough weapons or not. By the way, there is always not enough weapons and ammunition for everyone. It's always better to have more than less
    3. 0
      April 10 2023 13: 15
      No, this is an ordinary desire to believe in the best, along with an unwillingness to think critically. Most people find it very difficult to ask themselves the question "what if I'm wrong?"
  6. -2
    April 9 2023 06: 58
    Quote: Alexander Emrys
    In the minds of urya-authors and urya-commentators, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist

    In the same way, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist in the minds of all-weeping authors and all-weedling commentators with liberals. smile
    Where patriots appear, liberals immediately begin to hang out with all-weeders ... however, a trend.
    1. +5
      April 9 2023 08: 46
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: Alexander Emrys
      In the minds of urya-authors and urya-commentators, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist

      In the same way, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist in the minds of all-weeping authors and all-weedling commentators with liberals. smile
      Where patriots appear, liberals immediately begin to hang out with all-weeders ... however, a trend.


      I'm not going to put an equal sign between an uryakalka and a patriot. they are two very different entities
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    2. +12
      April 9 2023 09: 25
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Where patriots appear, liberals immediately begin to hang out with all-weeders ... however, a trend.
      Not quite like this: when they see that somewhere people are going to talk, the nerds run there. And when they start to poke their faces into reality (which has become so because of their chirping, too), they begin to whine about alarmists and tsipsos.
      1. 0
        April 9 2023 17: 50
        Quote: Alexander Emrys
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Quote: Alexander Emrys
        In the minds of urya-authors and urya-commentators, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist

        In the same way, absolutely opposite theses miraculously coexist in the minds of all-weeping authors and all-weedling commentators with liberals. smile
        Where patriots appear, liberals immediately begin to hang out with all-weeders ... however, a trend.


        I'm not going to put an equal sign between an uryakalka and a patriot. they are two very different entities

        Quote: bk0010
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Where patriots appear, liberals immediately begin to hang out with all-weeders ... however, a trend.
        Not certainly in that way: when they see that somewhere people are going to talk, the goofballs run there. And when they start to poke their faces into reality (which has become so because of their chirping, too), they begin to whine about alarmists and tsipsos.
        good You don't even need to add anything!
  7. +17
    April 9 2023 07: 00
    "However, such deliveries had a very limited effect." Are you out of your mind? Leaving the Kharkiv region, leaving Kherson, destroyed ammunition depots and headquarters - is this a limited effect? As I understand it, if there was already an evacuation from Sevastopol, then only then would citizen Ryabov admit: "Yes, there is still some effect from the supply of Western weapons."
    1. +6
      April 9 2023 07: 55
      This is Ryabov. He cannot do otherwise. Supplies by the West of (always obsolete) weapons never have a significant impact on the course of hostilities. And vice versa, samples of the 50s-60s, re-opened from storage, old, but not yet exhausted their potential, will help us stabilize the front, etc. and so on.
    2. +4
      April 9 2023 10: 42
      Quote: belost79
      As I understand it, if there was already an evacuation from Sevastopol, then only then would citizen Ryabov admit: "Yes, there is still some effect from the supply of Western weapons."

      I wouldn't admit it.
    3. 0
      April 10 2023 13: 21
      Leaving the Kharkiv region, leaving Kherson, destroyed ammunition depots and headquarters - this is a limited
      . Well, no, Ryabov can always give out something like "The enemy could not even overcome the Ural Mountains"
  8. +4
    April 9 2023 07: 14
    The shipment of weapons from the times of the USSR and the American times of the Cold War will end. The countries supplying these weapons were left with minimal ammunition. They were paid for the deliveries with candy wrappers (they will still draw for themselves). And now buy American but very expensive (there is enough in warehouses). America is running the economy at full speed again. Which eventually leads her to the lead.
  9. +6
    April 9 2023 07: 51
    Thus, the United States, NATO countries and other states that support the Kyiv regime have independently created big problems for themselves. They gave Ukrainian allies a significant part of their weapons, equipment and ammunition

    This is if you think of a momentary expectation without thinking about long-term plans, but if you look at the situation from a bird's eye view, then the author's conclusion is incorrect.

    Let me remind you that in 1929 1939 a crisis broke out with the USA, there were massive ruins of companies, layoffs and a famine, but WW2 began and the USA began to increase the production of weapons and already in the 40s there was growth, and by 45 there was already an economic boom, the USA prospered. It is very strange that the author wants to present the development of the Western industry as a problem ...
    The US long-term plan is for Ivan and Mikola to shoot each other, and for the states to sell guns by watching and getting rich. Gun sales are jobs, the middle class with big houses and cars for every member of the family, and so on.
    1. +3
      April 9 2023 10: 40
      Quote: nickname7
      Let me remind you that in 1929 1939 a crisis erupted with the United States

      The crisis is usually 29-31.
      Quote: nickname7
      mass ruin of companies, layoffs and famine

      The Holodomor did not begin in the United States and had nothing to do with American problems.
      Quote: nickname7
      WWII started

      WWII. WWII is the war between the USSR and the Reich.
      Quote: nickname7
      began to increase the production of weapons and already in the 40s, growth began

      There has been growth since the early 30s. But because of Roosevelt's mediocre economic policy, America got out of the crisis worse than most developed countries.
      Quote: nickname7
      by 45 there was already an economic boom, the United States was flourishing.

      The United States robbed its own population - our friend the public debt for the first time in the 40s jumped to 100% of GDP. I can say a lot of bad things about Truman and Eisenhower, but their success in demilitarizing the economy is much more impressive than Roosevelt's. The Soviet government, for example, to reset the imbalances (in fact, to burn the extra rubles printed in wartime) pulled off an awesome "monetary reform" of the 47th year.
      Quote: nickname7
      Gun sales are jobs, the middle class with big houses and cars for every member of the family, and so on.

      Arms sales are pennies on the scale of the American economy. In addition, you somehow forget that they give weapons as a gift. That is, this American middle class of yours pays for it.
      Quote: nickname7
      The US long-term plan is for Ivan and Mikola to shoot each other.

      Yes, yes, Vladimir Vladimirovich spoke about this. "We were forced," he said, "We were led by the nose." Poor "we".
  10. +1
    April 9 2023 08: 25
    Quote: nickname7
    Let me remind you that in 1929 1939 a crisis broke out with the USA, there were massive ruins of companies, layoffs and a famine, but WW2 began and the USA began to increase the production of weapons and already in the 40s there was growth, and by 45 there was already an economic boom, the USA prospered.


    The analogy doesn't work. Industrial production, as well as the structure of the economy, is now arranged differently, and Roosevelt is not at the head of the United States, oh, not Roosevelt.

    No economic prosperity of the United States is no longer in danger. Several tens of billions of dollars earned on the additional production of weapons do not do the weather when economic and financial problems and losses are in the trillions ...
    1. +3
      April 9 2023 08: 45
      Everything is channeled, and the emphasis is on this. The demonstration of the superiority of weapons is in full swing. They are quite self-sufficient. Technology, industry, resources are. Money also draws well so far. What else do you need to jump?
    2. +2
      April 9 2023 10: 26
      Quote: Illanatol
      Industrial production, as well as the structure of the economy, are now arranged differently

      Ага.
      Quote: Illanatol
      Roosevelt is not at the head of the United States, oh, not Roosevelt.

      And thank God. To the Americans, to their credit, one such handsome man was enough.
      Quote: Illanatol
      No economic prosperity of the United States is no longer in danger

      Seriously? And it seems that today's America is incomparably stronger than the old one. In every aspect.
  11. G17
    -1
    April 9 2023 08: 38
    The article "breathes" with now unnecessary and unreasonable optimism. The West and NATO countries control at least 75% of the world economy, while Russia's share is only about 2%. It is clear who will be the first to run out of steam in this race. There is a fact: since the beginning of the NMD, our Russian army has practically destroyed the army of Ukraine in its technical part and destroyed 150 thousand fascists. And there is a second fact: Western lend-lease and mass mobilization made up for these losses and support the fascist regime at the proper level of combat capability, and in the technical part, the enemy has shown technical superiority in many positions (UAVs, situational awareness, communications). Therefore, our task in the current (and very unfavorable for Russia) realities is to increase the capacity of the military-industrial complex and defeat the Ukrainian Reich as quickly as possible, since we cannot win a war of attrition.
  12. +5
    April 9 2023 10: 06
    All talk of disarming NATO is meaningless if no one (Russia/China) attacks them. Because before they start a new war, they rivet a lot of new and modern weapons. So this is only going to get worse.
  13. +3
    April 9 2023 11: 18
    )))
    It should be expected that ready-made materiel or its independent production will rise in price significantly. Europe is left without inexpensive energy carriers, which in itself is a big problem. Supply chains are also disrupted and some of the problems that emerged during the pandemic still persist. All these factors can lead to an increase in the cost of products or even to the impossibility of its production.

    Oh, these storytellers.

    The main problem of military production is that no one will need it after the war. Who, having other options, will go to work at a factory that will close in a year? As for energy carriers and other nonsense, there are no problems there except those that the EU arranged for itself, with its own hands. Hydrocarbons are now cheaper than at the end of 2021, not to mention the golden days of D.A. Medvedev.
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      1. +2
        April 9 2023 14: 27
        Quote: Rosemary
        Because the Israel Defense Forces in 170 thousand smart Jews, these millions of stupid katsaps and Khokhls will spit with one spit.

        Spit is not spit, but you found a good analogy. The post-Soviet armies in terms of their level of command and personnel resemble the armies of the Arab countries. It is understandable, all corrupt dictatorships are similar to each other.

        In addition to the technical level, of course, the Arabs are much better with technology.
        Quote: Rosemary
        they would have captured Moscow, and on the fifth day Kyiv at the same time, so as not to get up twice

        Smart people are smart for that, so as not to attack in several directions at the same time.

        Yes, and you don’t need to capture anyone, they didn’t deserve it. Feed them later.

        And why did you drag it all in?
        1. -6
          April 9 2023 14: 34
          Quote: Negro
          The post-Soviet armies in terms of their level of command and personnel resemble the armies of the Arab countries

          Post-Soviet armies ... 15, if I understand correctly. Are you talking about the Balts now, or about Uzbeks and Tajiks?

          Quote: Negro
          It is understandable, all corrupt dictatorships are similar to each other

          It seems, nevertheless, about the Uzbeks ... but specify just in case I suddenly misunderstood what request

          Quote: Negro
          Smart people are smart for that, so as not to step in several directions at the same time

          It's funny: Ukroamerican fit in for the Jews. It's funny to me for some reason, and you? wink laughing
          1. +5
            April 9 2023 14: 54
            Quote: Repellent
            Are you talking about the Balts now, or about Uzbeks and Tajiks?

            Only Azerbaijanis showed themselves decently. It turns out that an absolute monarchy can be more effective than a dictatorship and even a "democracy" of the post-Soviet model. Less corrupt.

            For the Baltic states I will not say, I do not know.
            Quote: Repellent
            For some reason this is funny to me

            By the way. Do I understand correctly that you are my personal fan who downvotes every single one of my posts in any topic through the member's profile?
            1. -7
              April 9 2023 15: 04
              Quote: Negro
              The post-Soviet armies in terms of their level of command and personnel resemble the armies of the Arab countries

              Quote: Negro
              It turns out that absolute monarchy can be more effective than dictatorship and even "democracy" of the post-Soviet model.

              I twist, twist, nah... ugh I want to cheat.

              Do not strain yourself like that, you will fart inadvertently ... it will be funny to everyone.

              Quote: Negro
              you are my personal fan who downvotes every single one of my posts in any topic

              More likely no than yes. I visit VO occasionally, I don’t use profiles in principle. What about baking? wink

              My friend, between us if - you are a rare hamlo. Which, however, is not surprising for a Svidomo who has faded into a mattress. So you had, are and will have disadvantages - accept Yes
  14. +5
    April 9 2023 11: 26
    Undoubtedly, from the supply of weapons to Ukraine, NATO's own stockpiles are drying up, down to critical minima for defense capability.

    But a strong argument in favor of these supplies for NATO members is the fact that these weapons are used for their intended purpose, against NATO's "probable enemy" in Europe, the Russian Federation. Weakening this potential adversary. Moreover, by proxy, on foreign territory, and even the least valuable weapons can be supplied in the first place - as a direct consequence of "proxy". If it is outdated and not effective enough, your own will not suffer.

    So, reducing stocks below critical minimums in NATO will not frighten anyone if, at the same time, the combat capability of the Russian army will also be reduced.
  15. -1
    April 9 2023 12: 48
    Such fake hypocritical surprises: ah, "created big problems for ourselves."

    Old Weapons already have an expiration date - and they painted it in the media as junk - and recycling "in lunar landscapes" is logical.

    And that they stood up for Ukraine - so, under the nuclear disarmament treaty, the United States was the guarantor of integrity. They have nowhere to go. Putin outplayed everyone. Like it or not, but you have to supply weapons and instructors.
  16. -3
    April 9 2023 14: 25
    Quote: nazgul-ishe
    Everything is channeled, and the emphasis is on this. The demonstration of the superiority of weapons is in full swing. They are quite self-sufficient. Technology, industry, resources are. Money also draws well so far. What else do you need to jump?


    Yah?
    There is no demonstration of the superiority of weapons at all. Thousands of Jewelins and Stingers were delivered - not much use.
    The US is not self-sufficient. Many raw materials have to be imported. Industrial capacities have been withdrawn abroad, which is already coming around. Too dependent on China.
    They have been drawing money for a long time, but there is no breakthrough. Depreciation of infrastructure is critical, the number of man-made disasters is growing.
    Education is falling, social tension is growing.
    They are sitting on a financial drip, while the processes of de-dollarization have already begun ...

    The problems have been there for a long time. There was no problem - Trump would never have been elected president. And so - perhaps one more term shines for him. Presidential.
  17. -6
    April 9 2023 14: 35
    Quote: Proctologist
    Weakening this potential adversary.


    The RF is not weakening, but only getting stronger. More collected and organized, freed from the two-legged liberal slag, boosts its industrial production. Not far off and some internal political changes that will benefit the country.
    Europe is weakening.
  18. 0
    April 9 2023 14: 42
    The fact is that they bill Ukraine for these arsenals, and if it does not cease to exist, then their cost will be an additional burden, as well as the restoration of the country on the shoulders of our people, either it will be paid from the Russian treasury, or from the Ukrainian one.

    (My enemy iPad automatically replaces words like “Ukrainian” with words with a capital letter, but “Russian” does not, ideological sabotage or a coincidence?)

    Let me make a remark about the conclusion of the authors of the article


    Thus, the United States, NATO countries and other states that support the Kyiv regime have independently created big problems for themselves. They gave Ukrainian allies a significant part of their weapons, equipment and ammunition, as a result of which their own defense capability suffered


    I propose another conclusion:

    In many ways, it looks like Western countries often get rid of the old rubbish, which is billed to Ukraine. When a new weapon arrives, it arrives in a dosed manner, turning the conflict into a protracted phase. That is, the West not only destroys the Soviet people with their own hands for the weapons that they send to Ukraine, but also bills for these weapons to those people who are being destroyed. An exceptionally successful and effective policy of the Western political leadership. And this is against the backdrop of an exceptionally vile, illiterate and unpromising policy of the Russian leadership.

    Thus, the conclusion is that the political leadership of both Russia and Ukraine is de facto pursuing a treacherous policy towards the population of the USSR, destroying it to please their foreign masters. Therefore, the solution must be political, and there is no other solution for our people. It is necessary to remove usurper regimes from power and restore the USSR.

    And this decision would be the most bloodless. Much more people have already died than the victims that could be required to overthrow the power of ghouls and scoundrels, there are only a few thousand of them and their power is guarded by very few rabid dogs, with a properly organized uprising, they would be swept away and after that no one would dared to fight the Soviet Union.

    And then, of course, a lot of work, these nits have done a lot of harm and a lot needs to be done.
    But that's another story.
  19. 0
    April 9 2023 17: 49
    The author expresses his opinion in such a way as if he was preparing the material for official publication by our Ministry of Defense. And the words are all Russian, and there are not many random typos, but it's hard to read.
    About the emptying of NATO warehouses ...
    Now there is a SVO on our side, and a war on the part of Ukraine.
    There are smoldering confrontations between North and South Korea, between the PRC and the ROC. There are many places in Africa, in the Middle East, in the southeast of Europe where they are fighting.
    But now we need hundreds of tanks and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And what are the risks of countries sending their own, already obsolete, weapons to Ukraine?
    Greece sends far from new equipment produced either in the USSR or under the control of our specialists.
    Poland sends tanks from the times of the USSR and those that were built and modernized according to Soviet documentation.
    If all of NATO moves all its weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, and soldiers and officers remain in France, Germany, Poland, England, Italy, Greece with only small arms, then who will attack NATO?
    We have Ukraine. There is a place to conduct SVO.
    Then who threatens these NATO countries and others that send everything to Ukraine that can be used to fight in the 21st century?
    USA only. And not by a military invasion, but by changes in financial, customs, and credit policies.
    But almost all the news is about the unscrupulousness of the British, Germans, French, Poles ... Even the Serbs.
    And Europe simply sells scrap metal at a bargain price.
    And as in the old days... A heretic is not one who does not believe in God. A heretic is one who is against the Church.

    Sorry for the verbosity!
  20. -2
    April 9 2023 22: 12
    Why do Germany, France, Italy and others need weapons, after all, they armed themselves to attack Russia, now geopolitics is in such a form that Russia is surrounded by former "friends" and "brothers", respectively, does not pose a threat to them, and weapons should be concentrated in Poland, Hungary, Romania, Finland, which they do with success.
  21. 0
    April 10 2023 00: 34
    At that moment, when the society begins to feel like a whole without distinction of nationalities, races, cultural affiliation and wants to fly to the stars, communism will come. Understand one thing - they parasitize us!
    A third of the food produced is simply recycled! Food is buried and sprinkled with chemicals!!!!!!
    And LCD TVs are buried nearby. They are easier to remake than take apart for parts.
    Why don't we go to Mars?
  22. +1
    April 10 2023 13: 03
    Time
    Support for Ukrainian formations was essentially carried out at the expense of the deterioration of their own defense capability.


    And two

    South Korea will sell its K2s, as well as help with the localization of production at Polish enterprises. At the same time, they are loading their own developers and manufacturers of weapons and equipment with orders.


    And three

    If they cannot be fully resolved, foreign countries will also face demilitarization


    And it's all in one material. 'Ryabov's Dialectics' or 'Kirilov's Logic'? Which is correct?
  23. 0
    April 10 2023 13: 27
    Europe was left without inexpensive energy sources, which in itself is a big problem
    Well, at least you could look at the price quotes on the stock exchange? Everything in Europe is good with energy resources. Didn't freeze.
  24. +1
    April 10 2023 13: 32
    Thousands of Jewelins and Stingers were delivered - not much use.

    Well, yes. 1. From the Kyiv, Chernihiv, bag, Kharkov regions and a little bit from Kherson regrouped. 2. Aviation does not fly beyond the front. If you go high, they will knock you down. Low - stingers are useless.
  25. 0
    April 10 2023 18: 35
    Quote: nazgul-ishe
    The shipment of weapons from the times of the USSR and the American times of the Cold War will end. The countries supplying these weapons were left with minimal ammunition. They were paid for the deliveries with candy wrappers (they will still draw for themselves). And now buy American but very expensive (there is enough in warehouses). America is running the economy at full speed again. Which eventually leads her to the lead.

    The United States is already in the lead, the mantras about buy American sound somehow pale against the background of Poland's purchase of Korean tanks and howitzers. There are many weapons in the world, for every taste and budget, but the fact that the Russian Federation is losing at least the market for spare parts and ammunition due to the gradual disposal of Soviet weapons is a fact. Even the Serbs are going to abandon the MIG-29, despite the relatively new 6 pieces of SM.
  26. 0
    April 10 2023 18: 42
    Quote from Fangaro
    The author expresses his opinion in such a way as if he was preparing the material for official publication by our Ministry of Defense. And the words are all Russian, and there are not many random typos, but it's hard to read.
    About the emptying of NATO warehouses ...
    Now there is a SVO on our side, and a war on the part of Ukraine.
    There are smoldering confrontations between North and South Korea, between the PRC and the ROC. There are many places in Africa, in the Middle East, in the southeast of Europe where they are fighting.
    But now we need hundreds of tanks and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And what are the risks of countries sending their own, already obsolete, weapons to Ukraine?
    Greece sends far from new equipment produced either in the USSR or under the control of our specialists.
    Poland sends tanks from the times of the USSR and those that were built and modernized according to Soviet documentation.
    If all of NATO moves all its weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, and soldiers and officers remain in France, Germany, Poland, England, Italy, Greece with only small arms, then who will attack NATO?
    We have Ukraine. There is a place to conduct SVO.
    Then who threatens these NATO countries and others that send everything to Ukraine that can be used to fight in the 21st century?
    USA only. And not by a military invasion, but by changes in financial, customs, and credit policies.
    But almost all the news is about the unscrupulousness of the British, Germans, French, Poles ... Even the Serbs.
    And Europe simply sells scrap metal at a bargain price.
    And as in the old days... A heretic is not one who does not believe in God. A heretic is one who is against the Church.

    Sorry for the verbosity!

    If you mean modernized according to Soviet documentation, then it’s wrong - Twardy is a purely Polish modernization and, admittedly, not bad. But in general, the message is IMHO true, give NATO at least a fifth of your MLRS and Chimeras with BC and the game would be completely different.
  27. 0
    April 11 2023 14: 06
    Quote from: Alex_mech
    Well, yes. 1. From the Kyiv, Chernihiv, bag, Kharkov regions and a little bit from Kherson regrouped. 2. Aviation does not fly beyond the front. If you go high, they will knock you down. Low - stingers are useless.


    1. The regroupings were caused by political considerations and a noticeable numerical superiority of the l / s of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not at all by prodigies. We didn’t even have enough cash available for defense (according to the PU), especially for offensive operations. As soon as the front line was squeezed and the necessary l / s density was created, the offensive impulse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine immediately fizzled out, despite the increased supply of Western weapons.
    2. Just on the front line, the highest density of air defense forces. So that's not the reason. Pilots are not partisans, they fly according to flight missions. Where the command has decided - they fly and bomb there.
    And in the operational rear of the enemy, it is cheaper and easier to hit targets with missiles and drones, that's all.
  28. 0
    April 11 2023 14: 13
    Quote from Viktior Vinland
    The fact is that they bill Ukraine for these arsenals, and if it does not cease to exist, then their cost will be an additional burden, as well as the restoration of the country on the shoulders of our people,


    Ukrainian? Yes, for God's sake, let the Ukrainians disentangle the consequences of such "integration".
    And the Russian Federation is not going to pay for anything. As for the restoration of the territories that have become and will still be part of the Russian Federation, these territories are also being supplied with workers. Donetsk and Lugansk will work for themselves.
  29. 0
    April 11 2023 14: 24
    Quote from Tim666
    There are many weapons in the world, for every taste and budget, but the fact that the Russian Federation is losing at least the market for spare parts and ammunition due to the gradual disposal of Soviet weapons is a fact.


    NATO countries are a so-so market for Russian weapons, not a big loss. And countries that are not members of NATO have bought Russian weapons and will continue to buy. And in general, for our military-industrial complex it is now more important to provide for our army, and not think about foreign markets.
    However, this applies not only to Russia. Those weapons and ammunition that Western countries could sell at market prices, they supply to Khokhols under Lend-Lease, and this will become a liability, since they do not get money for all these supplies. There is nothing for Ukraine to pay for supplies, a bankrupt country.