We talk in more detail: why do Ukrainians put Soviet dynamic protection on the Leopard 2A4

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We talk in more detail: why do Ukrainians put Soviet dynamic protection on the Leopard 2A4

It's no secret that the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine, especially armored vehicles, has been established and is in full swing. However, fortunately, not all combat vehicles, passing by echelons across the Polish-Ukrainian border, can be called modern and suitable for the current combat conditions.

In particular this applies tanks "Leopard 2A4", of which only from Poland, Spain, Portugal and Norway will be typed into a whole battalion - 31 units. But the trouble is that these "steel cats" have relatively low armor characteristics. And our enemy understands this very well, therefore, the fact that soon German tanks, at least artisanal, at least in factory conditions, but will acquire dynamic protection, was only a matter of time.



Known equivalents with unknown armor


Starting a conversation about armor, one can turn to explanations of the term “main tank” that are abstruse and boring for the average reader, including the part that talks about the impact of enemy firepower, but why? Few will be a secret to anyone that when a tank appears, absolutely everything that can somehow cause damage to it begins to fly into it. Here, even Ukraine does not need to be mentioned - there are examples for the whole history the existence of these combat vehicles has accumulated a myriad.

It is logical that, based on these circumstances, tank armor is one of the foundations of its combat effectiveness and survivability. But it is simply impossible to design armor and, as they say, to make it in metal with such a huge backlog that it will be enough for many decades to come - everything corresponds to its time and the near future.

The frontal part of the body of the Ukrainian "Leopard 2A4" is equipped with dynamic protection "Contact". The forehead of the tower, apparently, will also receive this innovation.

The frontal part of the body of the Ukrainian "Leopard 2A4" is equipped with dynamic protection "Contact". The forehead of the tower, apparently, will also receive this innovation.

However, "Leopard 2A4", a 37-year-old old man, will soon become a kind of "fall" from the past into the too distant future. And he will not end up in a war with conditional Basmachis, but in fierce hostilities using powerful anti-tank weapons, against which his armor will no longer be relevant.

Serial production of this tank began back in 1985 and lasted almost seven years until 1992. At the same time, it is worth paying tribute to the Germans and their allies: the vehicles have spread to many countries, but for all this time no one has dismantled the armor filler of the vehicles in order to give out information about its composition to the general public. Therefore, there is only guesswork about what is hidden behind the outer steel sheets of the Leopard 2A4, the most likely of which are ceramics and semi-active protection in the form of a steel and rubber sandwich.


Nevertheless, it is known for certain that tanks produced in 1985-1987 had type B or B-tech armor protection, and later versions became happy owners of improved type C or C-tech armor, respectively. But in this case, these letters do not play any role: both modifications are most likely already in Ukraine, and their differences in durability do not make any weather in general - you can break through both.

Clarity regarding the equivalents of the durability of armor of both types is brought by a documented British assessment, the purpose of which was to compare the German vehicle with its counterpart from Foggy Albion. She, by the way, is consistent with the data from the Swedish tender, where the "Leopard 2A4" took part.

It deals exclusively with towers, which, in principle, is not surprising: the towers of the vast majority of modern tanks have the highest protection compared to the hull - they are most susceptible to shelling in combat conditions, and sometimes placing a heavy array of armor in them is purely constructive easier.

British assessment of the resistance of the tower "Leopard 2A4" with old and new armor

British assessment of the resistance of the tower "Leopard 2A4" with old and new armor

Based on these data, it can be seen that the Leopard 2A4 turret with armor B (in service) in the frontal part gives the equivalent of 350 mm of medium hard steel against sub-caliber projectiles and 700 mm against HEAT ammunition. But the "head" with armor C (improved as proposed) already produces 410-420 mm from sub-caliber and 750-800 mm from HEAT shells.

The forehead of the hull will give somewhat less resistance, but it can be equated to a tower - in any case, more will not work.

In practice, this means that the frontal part of the Leopard 2A4, as the most protected, when firing at more or less reasonable combat distances within a couple of kilometers, will be vulnerable to the main sub-caliber shells of our tanks in the face of the Soviet Mango and the Russian tungsten variation of Lead ". But the conditions of hostilities in the special operation zone in Ukraine are such that, in addition to mines and other abominations, cumulative weapons come to the fore.

There are undisputed leaders in the arsenal of our troops: the Kornet and Khrizantema-S anti-tank systems, whose missiles, depending on the modification, pierce more than a meter of steel armor behind dynamic protection. These gentlemen, in principle, do not care whether the tank is directed towards them by the side or forehead - the penetration is such that the Leopard 2A4 will have little chance.

Export version of ATGM "Kornet" - "Kornet-E"

Export version of ATGM "Kornet" - "Kornet-E"

The tandem missiles of the Metis-M, Konkurs-M, Shturm-S complexes and guided tank missiles will cause no less problems for the German tank - this entire arsenal has armor penetration characteristics in general up to 900 mm behind dynamic protection. Also dangerous for the vehicle (especially in the forehead of the hull and with type B armor) will be contact with both the old RPG-7 grenade launchers with their PG-7VR grenades, and the more recent RPG-29 "Vampire", RPG-27 "Meadowsweet" and exotic RPG-30 "Hook".

Here one could also mention aviation anti-tank weapons, but, unfortunately, it has not yet reached its mass use - the presence of a large number of anti-aircraft systems of various sizes in the Armed Forces of Ukraine affects.

RPG-27 "Tavolga"
RPG-27 "Tavolga"

In general, the “Leopard 2A4” without additional protection is just the case when you can even hit the forehead with everything at hand, and in most cases you won’t go wrong with the exception of the very ancient anti-tank weapons and cumulative cannon shells.

RPG-30 "Hook"
RPG-30 "Hook"

Dynamic protection can fix the situation


Of course, such an unpleasant situation in which Leopards 2A4 may find itself requires some kind of solution. And the simplest thing is the equipping of vehicles with hinged dynamic protection "Contact", which is already being carried out in artisanal, and possibly in factory conditions.

Yes, "Contact", although old - its state tests were completed in the USSR back in 1982 - and it is effective only against cumulative ammunition, but it is quite working even at the present time.

Its design, as well as its work, is known to everyone who is at least somehow interested in armored vehicles - just a huge amount of materials has been written about it. Therefore, we will not go into details. And in short: the principle of its operation is based on the effect of metal plates due to the detonation of an explosive at the moment of penetration of a cumulative jet, which significantly reduces the penetrating ability of cumulative anti-tank weapons.

Block of dynamic protection "Contact" and its component 4S20
Block of dynamic protection "Contact" and its component 4S20

In practice, this means that with the correct installation of the Contact blocks with a large inclination from the vertical, it is able to provide protection against monoblock anti-tank missiles and anti-tank grenades in the range from 300-350 to 400-450 millimeters of steel equivalent. As for HEAT projectiles for cannon artillery, here the protective characteristics of this "reactive armor" fall and average up to 250 mm. The latter is due to the fact that the projectile, having a large mass and initial speed, as well as thick walls, literally breaks the dynamic protection unit and prevents the normal throwing of plates during detonation.

Opened element of dynamic protection 4S20. Between the plates is an explosive
Opened element of dynamic protection 4S20. Between the plates is an explosive

Formally, the Leopard 2A4 armor, together with dynamic protection, can give impressive results. Still, resistance to cumulative weapons can reach 1 millimeters of steel equivalent. However, the trouble is that we are talking exclusively about monoblock ammunition (single-shot), which simply do not have such penetration.

It turns out that all this is done in vain? After all, the armor of the Leopard copes well with monoblock shells, and tandem missiles and grenades demolish dynamic protection at once and hit the armor with the main charge? No, not really.

A little higher, we mentioned the monsters in the form of "Cornet" and "Chrysanthemum" for a reason - they really don't care if the tank has dynamic protection or not. The power of their main charges is more than enough to pierce the forehead of a German, even if the leading pre-charge "falls like a hero's death", neutralizing the block of reactive armor.

How would a full body kit by "Contact" on a German tank look like - a photo walking on the net that looks like a photomontage
How would a full body kit by "Kontakt" on a German tank look like - a photo walking on the net that looks like a photomontage

But with all sorts of tandem grenades, as well as Metis-M, Konkurs-M, and missiles not of the first freshness of the Shturm complex, the situation is somewhat different. The fact is that their superiority over the Leopard 2A4 armor is mainly achieved precisely due to the interaction of the leading (designed to neutralize dynamic protection) and the main shaped charges.

Roughly speaking, if the main charge penetrates 650 mm of armor, and the leading one - 100-150 mm, then these indicators can be conditionally added up with some discrepancies in the amount. Then it seems like a very impressive number of millimeters is obtained, which can make the German guest tremble. But if the leading precharge is spent on overcoming dynamic protection, then the overall penetration of the projectile drops significantly. Then it may turn out that it will either simply not work to break through the armor, or with a minimal armored effect on the crew and equipment of the vehicle.

In general, the effect of "Contact" will be in any case, and this effect will be very unpleasant for us and will seriously limit the arsenal of tools that can be applied to the "Leopard". Fortunately, this dynamic protection complex is a kind of one-time use in the sense that a projectile hit and the subsequent detonation often demolishes a considerable number of neighboring blocks, exposing armor.

At the same time, one should not forget that the Ukrainians can put "Contact" not only in the frontal projection of the car, but also at least on the sides. This will not give any total protection from shots almost perpendicular to the side - the maximum is only from monoblock low-power ammunition, but even then not always. Therefore, it is impossible to talk about a powerful body kit for battles, for example, in urban conditions. But the safe maneuvering angles of the tank will clearly expand.

In short, they put the "old man" on German technology for good reason.
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  1. +35
    April 5 2023 04: 57
    Taking into account the fact that we have t-62s in business, and they also took t54 / 55 somewhere, this and that is normal
    1. +2
      April 5 2023 09: 53
      I do not believe that such an insignificant number of tanks will fundamentally change something. For example, conditionally, 30 T-55/54 tanks would not have changed anything in the summer of 1942.
      1. +10
        April 5 2023 13: 48
        Quote: Civil
        30 T-55/54 tanks would have changed nothing in the summer of 1942.

        Well, they could win one battle (unless, of course, hundreds of enemy tanks opposed them), the armor is better than that of the T-34-85, there is a gun stabilizer, that is, you can already conduct aimed fire on the move, before that the tank had to stop, the gun is more powerful.
        1. -5
          April 5 2023 16: 43
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Well, they could win one battle (unless, of course, hundreds of enemy tanks opposed them), the armor is better than that of the T-34-85, there is a gun stabilizer, that is, you can already conduct aimed fire on the move, before that the tank had to stop, the gun is more powerful.

          not a battle, maximum battle. Hundreds of tanks, it's so superficial, here are hundreds of RaK-40 and AHT, coma, AHT is already more serious, Many tank commanders and gunners who fought on the T-34 fired on the move and hit the target. And the gun stabilizer on the T-54/55 is not a panacea.
          1. 0
            April 18 2023 17: 07
            Firepower is many times higher. You can shoot enemies from extreme distances, like a tiger-1 in its time before the appearance of the Is-2.
        2. +2
          April 5 2023 21: 58
          In oncoming tank battles, and even in the steppe area, the T-54 would be king. Well, of course, if the battalion was not on its own, but as part of a division or brigade
          1. -1
            28 May 2023 11: 57
            Tank against tank does not go in modern warfare. Artillery destroys tanks, and tanks storm. Where did you see that the tank is against the tank? If there were, then isolated cases. This is not WWII! He launched the quadcopter, saw the tank, pointed the artillery and fired, looked where the infantry was hiding and launched the tanks and infantry with artillery support. We see well how the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate and act competently. As much as you don't like it, they work effectively. It's simple and logical. This begs the conclusion - if there is no space reconnaissance, quadrocopters, then there is no particular point in attacking
        3. -1
          April 6 2023 08: 15
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Well, they could have won one battle (unless, of course, hundreds of enemy tanks would have opposed them)

          The Germans set up such an experiment several times: with tigers, with panthers + Ferdinands, with tigers 2. In all cases, the separation of the German glaciers from enemy tanks was comparable (and perhaps even higher) with the separation of the T-54 from the Panther.

          It worked, but did not outweigh. On the other hand, now it’s not much WWII.
        4. -1
          April 7 2023 21: 57
          On their own or poorly organized T-54s would have been hit from ambushes with 50 mm from ambushes or 88/105 mm in the forehead, and even worse - thrown near Kharkov in May-June. By the year 44, the Germans would have issued tanks weighing half a panther to the mountain, but much more efficiently.
          That's what the Red Army lacked in 1942 - these were connections and organizations. Well, self-propelled guns based on the T-34 and KV would be cheaper and more useful.
          1. 0
            April 18 2023 17: 09
            They didn’t give it out, the technologies and resources were still and no longer the same.
      2. +3
        April 5 2023 17: 19
        These are the first signs, over time the number of Leo 2s will possibly be comparable to the number of T72s, after all, several thousand of them were released! And today, according to estimates, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should receive far from 31 pieces, but many times more. As Soviet tanks are used up, they are being replaced by NATO standards.
        And in one place, 100 tanks is a pretty serious force, for the scale of the SVO, that's for sure! belay
        1. -1
          April 6 2023 08: 16
          Quote: Eroma
          These are the first signs, over time the number of Leo 2s will possibly be comparable to the number of T72s, after all, several thousand of them were released!

          It is unlikely that they spread over very many states.

          But theoretically you can give a lot of Abrams directly.
        2. 0
          April 30 2023 18: 48
          That's right!
          But one bad luck - they are needed for dill here and now!
      3. 0
        April 11 2023 09: 34
        Quote: Civil
        I do not believe that such an insignificant number of tanks will fundamentally change something.

        and 100 will change? what about 250? and 400? during the crowbar offensive of the Ukrainian fascists? and who knows for sure how many of them the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have or already have ...
        in any case, this is a very serious technique and can create a lot of problems! Many write that the "Leopard" 2 is a rather ancient car, already worn out in 1985, but then remember that the T-72, 80 are tanks of the early 70s
    2. -9
      April 5 2023 12: 42
      Quote: SergioPetrov
      Taking into account the fact that we have t-62s in business, and they also took t54 / 55 somewhere, this and that is normal

      Yes, of course, the T-62 and T-54/55 are now yours. Now at every corner you will remember. How is it that the Slovak and Macedonian air junk have not yet been lifted into the sky? Has he not reached you yet?
    3. 0
      6 September 2023 12: 18
      And where did the Leopards make a radical change in the fighting? In addition to being a very expensive tank, it has no real achievements. The Kurds burned them in the same way as our guys are burning now. As a result, Türkiye withdrew them from the battlefield. No upgrade will help them. They initially relied on strong armor in key places, while leaving weak areas. And today’s means of destroying tanks make it possible to easily hit these hones. There is already a video where a Leopard dressed in our Contact is pierced and burning with a blue flame.
  2. +9
    April 5 2023 05: 01
    They put it, and they do it right, according to the principle "A quilted jacket is worse than a fur coat, but better than nothing." In general, there was infa about the resumption of production of DZ "Knife" blocks, a Ukrainian development, although its advantages over "Contact-5" are considered controversial.
    1. +7
      April 5 2023 08: 44
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      They put it, and they do it right, according to the principle "A quilted jacket is worse than a fur coat, but better than nothing." In general, there was infa about the resumption of production of DZ "Knife" blocks, a Ukrainian development, although its advantages over "Contact-5" are considered controversial.

      It seems like there is only a body from contact, and offal from a knife ... at one time (14-15 years) there were heated debates about how effective the “knife” was, there even ours from the Research Institute of Steel seemed to write that the knife was ineffective and generally was (which is not surprisingly, competitors after all), but there was not a single photo from the battle zone (well, or I didn’t see it) so that the DZ did not fulfill its task ....
      1. +8
        April 5 2023 13: 25
        Russia had developments of the "Knife" ("Doublet") type, but ours abandoned it, since the high efficiency of such a design was only in a narrow range of degrees under which the projectile was supposed to hit, in other cases it is not effective. In order to increase the efficiency of this remote sensing, blocks are placed in layers, but then when one block is triggered, neighboring ones also work. In addition, due to the fact that they are placed in layers, a lot of weight (the mass of the Oplot tank with DZ "Duplet" 53 tons)
        1. +1
          April 5 2023 17: 28
          There was an article in the late 2000s (maybe even before 2008) about this DZ in Popular Mechanics (a very bourgeois magazine in terms of meaning). There, the principle of operation of just the "Knife" was understood. The conclusion was the following: this DZ cuts the "scrap" into pieces. But at the same time, the fragments continue to fly one after another, and for the armor there is no difference what it breaks through. Solid scrap or perforated. The head of the crowbar hits the armor, and then the rest of the segments fly into its tail, almost the entire original BOPS core flies in, pierces the armor and ... but after that it doesn’t even need to break, it is already divided into parts. For godfathers, things seem to be better, but you can’t guess here.
    2. 0
      April 5 2023 11: 22
      They said that the Knife was too powerful in terms of explosive charge, when the DZ was triggered, it demolished all attachments from the tanks.
  3. -11
    April 5 2023 05: 12
    Well, in the first photo, at least the DZ blocks were not set upside down. as in the photos originally published by dill)))
    More interested in such a question - since it was written in Soviet instructions that Leoperd once breaks into the side of the KPVT - did they fix it? And then with such armor that with a block, that without a block ...
    1. -3
      April 5 2023 11: 26
      Board 50mm + screen to kotkov, fuel tanks from the top of the board, it can break through but only at right angles at close range. You should not count on this.
  4. +15
    April 5 2023 05: 16
    There are only boxes from "Contact-1", inside the DZ "Knife". So that they can improve their booking ... both from the KS and from the BOPS

    1. +1
      April 5 2023 11: 48
      Everything is very conditional, there was a detailed analysis of this remote sensing, the manufacturer insists that the Knife is effective both from cumulative and kinetic ammunition (due to copper counter charges that cut the BOPS rod, hence the name "KNIFE"). And this is true, if the projectile hits the upper part of the DZ container at an angle of 45-50 degrees, but if the scrap flies into the lower part of the container, then there is practically no effect. But the Knife can create very significant problems, such a scheme requires a larger amount of explosives, when triggered on the DZ tower, it demolishes attachments, on the VLD it tears the thermal casing from the gun, if it works directly under the gun, the cutting copper elements pierce the gun barrel.
      1. +1
        April 7 2023 22: 03
        What prevents sticking an armor tray on the barrel to cover the barrel from below from fragments?
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  5. +7
    April 5 2023 05: 39
    Its design, as well as its work, is known to everyone who is at least somehow interested in armored vehicles - just a huge amount of materials has been written about it. Therefore, we will not go into details. And in short: the principle of its operation is based on the effect of metal plates due to the detonation of an explosive at the moment of penetration of a cumulative jet, which significantly reduces the penetrating ability of cumulative anti-tank weapons.

    I didn’t specifically look for it much - but I didn’t come across a sufficiently understandable and sane description of the work, with diagrams.
    Everything is the same as the author - they start cheerfully - a photo and even a diagram in a section - and then it’s indistinct - well, somehow they work ... Find it yourself, there is a lot of information on the Internet ...
  6. +5
    April 5 2023 05: 57
    The frontal part of the hull of the Ukrainian "Leopard 2A4" is equipped with dynamic protection...

    here, damn it, I dreamed of the word "decorated" instead of "equipped" while awake! Jokes aside....
  7. -2
    April 5 2023 06: 08
    How are the Kurds burning Turkish leopards ... it’s not for nothing that they goof off and want to have something of their own, and not the “best” leopard ...
    In general, time, the battle will show what and how much!
    And one more thing ... German cats burned on Russian soil before, these will burn now, they have no place here !!! soldier
  8. +16
    April 5 2023 06: 14
    However, "Leopard 2A4", a 37-year old man
    They have a 37-year-old old man, we have a 60-year-old newest prodigy.
    Production of the T-62 started in 1962 and completed in 1975.
    Some garbage turns out ...
    1. -14
      April 5 2023 06: 24
      Quote: aars
      They have a 37-year-old old man, we have a 60-year-old newest prodigy.
      Production of the T-62 started in 1962 and completed in 1975.

      Do you confuse Leo-2 with Leo-1? And specifically?
      1. +15
        April 5 2023 06: 27
        I have quoted from the article
        If confused, then not by me, but by the author of the material
        1. -12
          April 5 2023 08: 12
          Quote: aars
          I have quoted from the article

          This is how you have to be a balabol. Where in the article is there even a word about the T-62?
          1. +7
            April 5 2023 09: 39
            And where is Leo-1 confused with Leo-2?
            And, the citizen is lying?
            1. -8
              April 5 2023 09: 52
              Quote: aars
              And where is Leo-1 confused with Leo-2?
              And, the citizen is lying?

              Pfft, this is the number - to drag the T-62 about which there is not a word, in the article and compare it with the Leopard-2, is this not to be confused? So confuse, my friend, and maliciously and intentionally.
              1. +14
                April 5 2023 11: 12
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Pfft, this is the number - to drag the T-62 about which there is not a word, in the article and compare it with the Leopard-2, is this not to be confused?

                So tanks don't compare. The attitude towards them is compared.
                The article refers to Leo-2 as a 37-year-old man:
                "Leopard 2A4", 37-year old man

                Here they are interested slanderers and defamers: if 2A4 at 37 years old is an old man, then how can we call domestic T-62s, the youngest of which is 48 years old?
                1. -9
                  April 5 2023 11: 27
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  So tanks don't compare. The attitude towards them is compared.

                  Poke me with your nose, not even in the article, but in general - where the T-62 is presented as = aars] the newest prodigy.
              2. +12
                April 5 2023 11: 16
                I "dragged" not from the article, but from life - they have leopards coming in (oh, staaaary, just generally useless), and we have the T-62 (a normal car, it will bring a lot of benefits)
                However, there was also an article, or rather articles about the T-62, messages from them
                In short - we have a 60-year-old tank wow!
                And they have - ugh, a 37-year-old old man!
                In life like this, in real life
                1. +5
                  April 6 2023 11: 04
                  Quote: aars
                  In short - we have a 60-year-old tank wow!
                  And they have - ugh, a 37-year-old old man!

      2. +1
        April 6 2023 08: 22
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        They have a 37-year-old old man, we have a 60-year-old newest prodigy.

        Do you confuse Leo-2 with Leo-1?

        37 years is specifically Leo2A4. By itself Leo2 79th year.
    2. +15
      April 5 2023 08: 58
      They and the T-55M are in service. And the Leopard should, in theory, be compared with the T-72B. Plus or minus the same age.
      1. +7
        April 5 2023 10: 52
        They and the T-55M are in service.

        M-55S
        Slovenian modernization. The tank was equipped with an Israeli hinged dynamic protection "Blazer" on the turret and on the forehead of the hull, rubber-fabric onboard anti-cumulative screens, a 105-mm L7 gun, a modular turret on the Rafael turret with a DShK machine gun, a new Fotona SGS-55 fire control system (with integrated digital ballistic computer, laser rangefinder, gunner's sight SGS-55 with a two-plane stabilizer and atmospheric sensor), observation system for the commander Fotona COMTOS-55, driver's periscope Fotona CODRIS equipped with night vision devices, two six-barreled smoke grenade launchers with a system of laser sensors LIRD-1A . The engine has been upgraded, the power has increased to 600 hp. With.

        It bears little resemblance to the T-54/55 pulled out of a storage base somewhere in the Far East
        1. +6
          April 5 2023 13: 15
          So 54/55 has not yet been seen at the front and near it, and they are said to have been taken out in the fall to no one knows where. Maybe even for modernization for sale somewhere in Africa. Or I had the idea that they want to make new combat vehicles on their chassis, perhaps even unmanned ones - but this is too good to be true.
          1. 0
            April 11 2023 18: 32
            Quote: optika20
            So 54/55 has not yet been seen at the front and near it, and they are said to have been taken out in the fall to no one knows where. Maybe even for modernization for sale somewhere in Africa. Or I had the idea that they want to make new combat vehicles on their chassis, perhaps even unmanned ones - but this is too good to be true.

            Most likely they go to repair plants as donors of spare parts for the modernization of the T-62.
        2. 0
          April 11 2023 18: 30
          It bears little resemblance to the T-54/55 pulled out of a storage base somewhere in the Far East
          If desired, the T-55 pulled from the storage base can also be upgraded.
    3. -7
      April 5 2023 11: 54
      I love characters like you, who like to compare with a finger, but the fact that Ukraine is supplied with Slovak T-55s also probably outrages you to the core?
    4. +1
      April 5 2023 20: 09
      Of course bullshit.
      T62 was immediately told they would put in the rear, on the supporters.

      Leo, just as immediately declared, will be driven on the offensive.
  9. +4
    April 5 2023 06: 33
    "I broke all the brains into pieces! I braided all the convolutions!" .....
  10. +13
    April 5 2023 06: 42
    The conclusion is something completely different should be where are the Russian roof-piercing ammunition?
    1. 0
      April 5 2023 09: 11
      At best, they will show at the parade. As with the Boomerang: "The first samples of the new Boomerang armored personnel carrier will go to the Russian Ground Forces in 2013, and mass deliveries of the vehicle will begin in 2015." And in the end, state tests began only this year.
  11. 0
    April 5 2023 07: 17
    One reason is to make Leo look like a Soviet tank.
    1. -8
      April 5 2023 09: 22
      Quote: Jager
      One reason is to make Leo look like a Soviet tank.

      With such a sight window? Unreal.
      1. +2
        April 5 2023 19: 49
        I will reveal a terrible secret. The main reason why ours destroyed the "Tigers" where they were not, is the similarity with the Pz.IV with screens. From a kilometer you can hardly see a big difference between them.
        So it is here.
        1. -1
          April 6 2023 03: 36
          Quote: Jager
          From a kilometer you can hardly see a big difference between them.

          You might think that remote sensing blocks are visible from km. laughing
          1. +1
            April 6 2023 18: 52
            With the naked eye, you cannot distinguish the T-1,5 from the T-55 from 72 kilometers away.
            1. -1
              April 7 2023 18: 02
              Quote: Jager
              With the naked eye, you cannot distinguish the T-1,5 from the T-55 from 72 kilometers away.

              Well, tanks from a three-line with an open sight have not been hit for a long time, what kind of optics do anti-tankers have. So if you can distinguish the DZ block, then distinguishing a Soviet tank about Leo-2 is also not a problem, from any angle.
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  12. +12
    April 5 2023 09: 47
    Quote: aars
    They have a 37-year-old old man, we have a 60-year-old newest prodigy.
    Production of the T-62 started in 1962 and completed in 1975.

    I have a feeling that with the collapse of the USSR and even before it, years since 1989, when there was "perestroika" and it seemed that the Cold War was over, there would be no one else to fight with, the development of new technology actually stopped - they stalled from lack of attention and funding , prospects. Well, after the USSR, with the advent of effective managers, cutting and selling everything and everything was added. 10 years was definitely lost.

    But the development of military equipment in the West continued. Budgets were cut, production was cut or stopped, and development and improvement continued.

    Therefore, say, a 1975 tank is 13 years ahead of a 1962 tank developed equally for both sides, but the modernization of some 2002 relative to 1985 will be very different in favor of Western technology, since we have lost a decade.
  13. 0
    April 5 2023 10: 01
    Alaudinov, Apti said that businessmen promised up to 10 million rubles for a tank. I think this is just the hunt for tanks. People are motivated through the roof
  14. +10
    April 5 2023 10: 26
    Ukrainians put Soviet dynamic protection on Leopard 2A4
    "God saves man, who save himself!" - the nun thought, putting a prezik on the cucumber ...
  15. +2
    April 5 2023 10: 53
    Again we need St. John's wort with a large caliber.
  16. -7
    April 5 2023 11: 06
    Gentlemen of the military! Any additional armor at least makes the tank heavier, creates unforeseen loads on the chassis, transmission and engine. Accordingly, the instructions for use worked out at the landfills change greatly. This means that the requirements for the training of the crew and their ability to think and act creatively are increasing.
    This fully applies to the Soviet sixty-two. With the right approach, nimble and simple machines are able to provide a good job for the powerful T-90M. And if there is a pair of "Armat" at the tip of the shock armored group, then in general the defending and oncoming side is threatened with a complete "My God ...".
    1. +4
      April 5 2023 11: 35
      Tanks like Leo and Abrams initially had a 7-roller chassis and a diesel (turbine) of 1500 hp. The cart itself is more load-bearing. What we see in the latest versions.
      1. +1
        April 5 2023 12: 34
        The "cart" itself weighs under 75 tons. You can calculate the ground pressure.
        By the way, on such a weighted Leopard, they can remember the good old caterpillars "Ostketten", broadened.
      2. +1
        April 5 2023 12: 37
        Quote: Zaurbek
        7roller chassis and diesel (turbine) 1500hp. The cart itself is more load-bearing.

        The armor of the towers was reinforced only starting from the 5th series, the chassis - from the 6th series. On the Leopard-2A4, weight will increase due to dynamic protection and maneuverability will deteriorate. The Turks, together with the Khinzirs, tried to improve its defense.


        1. 0
          April 5 2023 12: 46
          Leo2A5 weighs quite normally. The tank received a GPS navigation system. All these activities have led to an increase in mass to 59,5—62 tons depending on the armor set.
          , Leo2a6 weighs up to 65 tons .... and there is only one "cart" and it pulls both the GP and the engine and energy. And dill crafts will not be pulled by 10 tons.
        2. 0
          April 5 2023 15: 28
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          The Turks, together with the Khinzirs, tried to improve its defense.
          Poor driver: with such an upgrade, if he drives into a deep puddle, he will drown in it, since he has no chance to get out of the tank.
  17. +5
    April 5 2023 11: 33
    There are undisputed leaders in the arsenal of our troops: the Kornet and Khrizantema-S anti-tank systems, whose missiles, depending on the modification, pierce more than a meter of steel armor behind dynamic protection. These gentlemen, in principle, do not care whether the tank is directed towards them by the side or forehead - the penetration is such that the Leopard 2A4 will have little chance.

    These anti-tank systems really do not care, and on any tank.
    But these are heavy ATGMs, and they are not the most massive in the troops, there are all sorts of Metis, etc. And BOPS are the most massive non-crowbars of 780mm in length. And a 55-caliber gun, combined with optics and an SLA, pushes back the Leo2A5 line of fire. And the gun itself threatens our tanks at all ranges.
    For 100mm MT12 Leo2 is already a problematic target and breaks through at ranges of less than 1km.
    1. KCA
      0
      April 10 2023 11: 16
      So "Chrysanthemum-S" is self-propelled based on the BMP-3, on caterpillar tracks, "Cornet" is installed on the "Tiger", maybe on some other chassis, so their severity is not a drawback
  18. +2
    April 5 2023 12: 02
    Hat throwers, Excaliburs, JDAMs, Phoenix Hosts, thousands of pieces, and this is all in an armored fist, we have one plus front-line aviation and then cabrio. It's better to pray for a simple soldier than to relax them with bravado
  19. 0
    April 5 2023 13: 51
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZCq1qy2BIw3jycv9
  20. +6
    April 5 2023 14: 41
    Quote: APASUS
    Alaudinov, Apti said that businessmen promised up to 10 million rubles for a tank. I think this is just the hunt for tanks. People are motivated through the roof
    With such motivation, do you want to try it yourself ?! winked
    1. -1
      April 11 2023 07: 21
      Knock out a tank, get 10 lyams and go home? Can. Just enough to survive. And then no work, no pension. :laughing.
      All these calculations mm and the funds listed, how to drill them, will be relevant when the x oh ly trample. And then, after all, in life, then there is no anti-tank system in the right section of the front end, then a trained calculation.
  21. -12
    April 5 2023 15: 14
    A 100 mm T-55 cannon is quite enough with an ordinary armor-piercing, cumulative or HE shell to deal with every modern tank from a long distance (more than 6 kilometers) with a direct hit on the roof of a tower or hull.
    The probability of hitting a stationary target with conventional projectiles at such a distance is not bad. Especially guided munitions that the T-55 has.
    1. 0
      April 11 2023 18: 19
      Quote: Kostadinov
      A 100 mm T-55 cannon is quite enough with an ordinary armor-piercing, cumulative or HE shell to deal with every modern tank from a long distance (more than 6 kilometers) with a direct hit on the roof of a tower or hull.
      The probability of hitting a stationary target with conventional projectiles at such a distance is not bad. Especially guided munitions that the T-55 has.


      Kostadinov, take a seat on your "combat" couch and don't write your comments anymore.
  22. +1
    April 5 2023 18: 46
    Correctly put - the A4 protection is rather weak against our latest weapons, both cumulative and kinetic. They will add problems to us.
  23. +4
    April 5 2023 19: 59
    This is not the first time I see here a link to a Swedish paper from the tender. It is not known how authentic it is and what method of calculating durability there is to be. However, the data on the resistance of the Leopard-2A4 armor from it contradict almost all other sources. It is quite possible that in this Swedish piece of paper we are talking about Leopard-2A1 / 2A3. But the Leopard-2A4 is much better armored. Almost all sources give him - the forehead of the tower is 590-690 mm against kinetics and 810-1290 mm against kuma, and the forehead of the hull is 600 mm against kinetics and 620-710 mm against kuma. And this is without additional plates like Mexas or AMAP, which can bring 2A4 to the level of 2A6, and this is an average plus 30-50% in terms of durability. Installing on top of all this DZ Contact or Knife allows penetration of this tank in the forehead only in weakened zones or repeated hits after the DZ is triggered.
  24. +7
    April 5 2023 20: 53
    Yes, the bottom photo is fake. Here is a comparison with the original photo.

  25. +2
    April 5 2023 23: 41
    In total, the EU countries have already transferred 48 Leopard 2 tanks and eight more Leopard 2 tanks will be transferred in the near future, the UK has transferred 28 Challengers and all of them are already on the territory of Ukraine. In general, at this stage, NATO countries have already transferred 76 tanks to Ukraine. In the near future, deliveries of American M1 Abrams will also begin.
  26. +2
    April 6 2023 15: 49
    Times change. In 2000 in the village. Gusinoozersk, near the border with Mongolia, stood directly in the open air hundreds of tanks withdrawn from there in the 90s
  27. +1
    April 6 2023 22: 03
    As practice has shown, anti-tank systems with portable consoles are needed, because the calculation is very vulnerable during the installation and launch of a rocket, as for contact, so we put it on the T-62, why not put it on Leo, well, we will follow the development of events.
  28. 0
    April 6 2023 22: 04
    It's no secret that the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine, especially armored vehicles, has been established and is in full swing. However, fortunately, not all combat vehicles, passing by echelons across the Polish-Ukrainian border, can be called modern and suitable for the current combat conditions.

    But all the combat vehicles that are moving in trains across the Polish-Ukrainian border end up on the territory of Ukraine. And in the reports of the Ministry of Defense there was no mention of accidents on the railway in Ukraine.
  29. -1
    April 7 2023 12: 03
    "Old Man". And what about us, the basis of the tank fleet is made up of significantly newer vehicles? Yes, his "peers", and even a little bit older - T-72B (the first of which do not have built-in dynamic protection), T-80BV (and even more so) with the same Contact-1.T-90 modernized a bit, T -80 In general, the cat cried.
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  30. 0
    April 8 2023 16: 30
    What are the ukrovoyaks counting on? That NATO will sit in these tanks? Funny. And even if they sit down, they will burn just like everything else ....
  31. 0
    April 10 2023 09: 11
    No matter what is written about the Leorards, but since they are already at the front, there will be many dead of our fighters. For some reason, the people do not raise the issue of destroying all bridges on the borders of Ukraine with Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Hungary before our leadership. Or we have nothing to bomb, or we do not feel sorry for the Russians
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  32. 0
    April 11 2023 18: 10
    Why write such a long article?! If we remove all this "dirty water", then we could limit ourselves to one paragraph.
  33. 0
    April 14 2023 16: 14
    The leopard was promoted to the utmost. Well, then, what should we do with the T-80, which is almost the same age by tank standards.
  34. 0
    15 May 2023 11: 55
    It's time for Shakhnazarov to shoot a sequel - "Zhovtoblakit leopard" wassat
  35. 0
    3 June 2023 15: 27
    What is needed is not so much modern weapons as engineer strips combined with tens of millions of mines along the entire front line. The enemy tanks stopped with their help must be destroyed by artillery and aircraft. ATGMs and grenade launchers - this is an emergency!