OTRK "Grom-2": Ukrainian prototype in battle

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OTRK "Grom-2": Ukrainian prototype in battle
Experimental launcher "Grom-2"


Ukrainian armed formations are still trying to use their remaining ballistic missile systems against the Russian army. The other day they even used a unique model - an experienced operational-tactical complex "Grim-2". The launched missile was promptly detected and destroyed by the Russian air defense. At the same time, the repetition of such an attack, not to mention its success, is unlikely, because. This is hindered by a number of objective factors.



Single Episode


For a long time, the Ukrainian industry tried to create its own operational-tactical complex to replace the existing Soviet-made Tochka-U products. The project "Grim" ("Thunder") in the recent past managed to be brought to field tests, but due to various problems, its further implementation has stalled. As a result, from 2014 to this day, the Kiev regime has been attacking the objects of the republics of Donbass using the old "Points". Trying to get similar weapon foreign production were not successful.

Since the beginning of the Russian Special Operation, Ukrainian officials, the press, etc. several times they recalled the Thunder project. They regretted that they did not have time to bring it to production and use it against the Russian army. Probably, it was on this basis that the corresponding rumors appeared. So, last year, information appeared several times about the presence of the ready-made Grom-2 OTRK in the combat zone and attacks on Russian targets. However, this information has never been confirmed.

On September 30, the Grom-2 complex first appeared in official reports. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported on the strike and destruction of the shops of the enterprise "Southern Machine-Building Plant" in the city of Dnepropetrovsk. At this site, missiles were assembled for the Tochka-U and Grom-2 complexes.


The next and last time the Ukrainian OTRK was mentioned in the report of the Ministry of Defense of March 30. It was reported that on an unnamed enemy tried to use the "Grom-2". The missile complex was successfully intercepted in flight.

At the moment, this is the first and only known case of the combat use of the Ukrainian OTRK Grom-2. It is very likely that he will be the last. Over the years, the project, which had high hopes, did not progress beyond testing, and in September the main production site was destroyed. All this, at least, does not contribute to the further operation and use of the missile system.

Lost time


The idea of ​​developing our own Ukrainian OTRK to replace the existing Soviet-made equipment arose in the early nineties. For a long time, Ukrainian enterprises have been representing various options for a promising OTRK under different names. However, at that time Ukraine could not create such a project due to financial, organizational and other problems.

Later the situation changed. In 2013, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant and Yuzhmash for the first time presented the Grim project based on available technologies and components. Later, on its basis, an improved Thunder-2 project was completed. In fact, it was a modification of the original OTRK with two missiles on the launcher.


In 2016, for the first time, a built experimental self-propelled launcher of a new type was shown. Then there were reports of the manufacture of a second similar machine. In addition, it became known about the manufacture of a small batch of missiles for testing. The industry expressed its readiness to transfer these products to the armed forces.

At the end of autumn 2016, the first launch of the Grom-2 rocket took place at one of the Ukrainian test sites, and the event was recognized as a success. However, new reports of test launches have not yet been received. Moreover, since 2017-18, slowdowns or even temporary halts have been repeatedly reported. As a result, the Grom-2 OTRK has not yet passed all the tests and is not officially ready for production and delivery to the customer. Moreover, the destruction of Yuzhmash's production facilities virtually eliminates the possibility of completing the work.

Ukraine was initially considered as the customer of the Grom-2 complex. In 2016, it became known that Saudi Arabia was interested in this product. According to Ukrainian media, she paid for part of the work and expected their results. For 2019, they planned to test the Ukrainian OTRK at the Arabian training grounds - but this did not happen.

Desired characteristics


The Grom-2 project proposed the construction of a self-propelled operational-tactical missile system capable of hitting remote ground targets with known coordinates. The performance characteristics and appearance of the complex were determined with an eye on the Soviet Tochka-U and the modern Russian Iskander.


Model rocket "Thunder". Bottom right - engine layout

The Grom-2 OTRK includes a self-propelled launcher, a ground-to-ground ballistic missile, a control center and other means for solving various tasks. The means of the complex can independently move between positions and deploy within a few minutes.

SPU complex "Grim-2" is made on the basis of a special five-axle chassis. On such a machine, an elevating launcher for two containers with missiles, as well as various auxiliary equipment, is placed.

Rocket "Thunder" is made in an elongated body with a conical warhead and tail fins. The starting weight of the product is approx. 3 tons, of which 480 kg falls on the warhead. A new solid-propellant engine was developed for the rocket, which, it was claimed, made it possible to obtain a launch range of up to 500 km.

In the basic configuration, the rocket was equipped with a guidance system based on inertial and satellite navigation. In the future, they promised to develop full-fledged homing heads capable of detecting a target with unknown coordinates. It was proposed to hit the target with the help of a monoblock high-explosive fragmentation or penetrating warhead.


Experienced rocket engine

Practical value


Despite all the efforts and promises of the development organizations, the promising Grim-2 OTRK has not been tested and has not demonstrated its potential. Accordingly, it was not accepted into service and did not enter production. However, recently they tried to use experimental equipment in battle, and it did not cope with its task.

Since Grom-2 has never been tested, its real capabilities and potential remain in question. The tests carried out and the recent attempt at combat use only show that the OTRK is capable of moving between positions and launching missiles. At the same time, the real, and not the declared, characteristics of the rocket remain unknown. Whether the Pavlograd chemical plant succeeded in creating an effective solid fuel and ensuring a high firing range is unknown.

Apparently, the Grom-2 complex received a “regular” ballistic missile flying along a predictable ascending and descending trajectory. Nothing is known about the use of means or methods of breaking through the defense. One way or another, Russian air defense / missile defense, equipped with modern radar and fire weapons, detected an incoming missile and hit it.

If there is every reason to assume that the recent episode of the use of the Grim-2 OTRK will be the first and last. Despite all the promises and plans, the Ukrainian industry was able to produce no more than one or two launchers and a small number of experimental missiles for testing. There may have been further attempts to continue production, but in September 2022, Russian strikes on Yuzhmash effectively stopped them.


Solid propellant tests

A recent launch shows that they managed to take out experimental equipment and missiles for it from the enterprise and now they are even trying to use it. How many launches the assembled missiles will last is a big question. At the same time, replenishment of ammunition is no longer possible. In addition, there is a high probability that the Russian army will find and destroy the experienced Grom and its ammunition, in position, in a camouflaged parking lot or in a storage area. In this case, the work of this OTRK will stop.

Predictable results


Not so long ago, the Ukrainian formations quite actively used the numerous Tochka-U fuel dispensers they had. But the Russian army took the necessary measures, and launches of such missiles became an infrequent occurrence. Moreover, the Kyiv regime now has to put into operation even experimental equipment assembled according to a promising project. This fact confirms the plight of the Kyiv regime and the overall success of Russian measures to demilitarize it.

The product "Grim-2", suddenly taken into operation, faces several problems of various kinds. These are insufficient design perfection and the need for its further refinement, a small amount of equipment and ammunition, as well as the inability to make up for losses. With all this, the Grom missile turned out to be an easy target for Russian air defense / missile defense. It is obvious that the next attempts to use the Grom-2 OTRK, if any, will not justify Ukrainian hopes and will not interfere with demilitarization.
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  1. +13
    April 4 2023 04: 19
    Yes, sir, you can pour from empty to empty forever.
    1. +9
      April 4 2023 08: 09
      Quote: Alien From
      Yes, sir, from empty to empty you can pour forever

      Yeah…

      From one sentence (well, 2x maximum) suck out of your finger for a half-hour essay.
      Very reverently the author poured from empty to empty.
      Quote: Ryabov Kirill
      Predictable results

      I wonder if he writes himself or is the neural network already trying?
      1. +9
        April 4 2023 10: 57
        This comrade is famous here for the fact that out of 5 sentences he can rattle an article Yes
        1. +11
          April 4 2023 16: 33
          This comrade is famous here

          Come on, he would fill the emptiness of the newspaper column and earn ₽.
          So you read:
          All of his NATO weapons are crap, they won’t change anything, measures have been found, there’s nowhere to put lined leopards.
          Yeah. And Lviv is already under blockade, since September.
          It's called sabotage
          1. +1
            April 4 2023 21: 02
            If I understand you correctly, money does not smell. Although they smell and are attractive fellow
          2. 0
            6 September 2023 12: 37
            Um, ringing, if literary, then idle talk. The dill have already reached Tyumen a dozen times and are approaching Vladik. Why shouldn’t such a “leavened” patriot and hat-taker be here too? Don't strain yourself and don't fight paper tigers. They will growl and growl and go off into their paper forest.
      2. +8
        April 4 2023 11: 41
        Yesterday, for a warning similar to me, they sent a comment and deleted the comment, they said it was trolling wink
        1. +10
          April 4 2023 16: 30
          Yesterday, for a warning similar to me, they sent a comment and deleted the comment, they said it was trolling

          1. You have one more stars
          2. Complain and I will.
          3. Some Smirnov also writes to me and hangs bans. There are already 5.
          For "insults" recourse but I didn’t call anyone names, I just called a spade a spade.
          But let's say @repellent runs around his sites, crap everywhere, provokes and certainly trolls nothing for him.
          It means trust
          1. -10
            April 4 2023 16: 40
            Quote from Digger
            But let's say @repellant runs around his sites, crap everywhere, provokes and certainly trolls, nothing for him

            You are hysterical again. Nice.
            "Repellent" has 7 prev. Until recently there were 9, now two have disappeared somewhere. Lost, probably.

            Quote from Digger
            Some Smirnov also writes to me and hangs bans. There are already 5

            5 is good. "Some Smirnov" - it's five!!! good
          2. +1
            April 4 2023 20: 47
            Complain, why? It's just a site. I am neither cold nor hot from this, I wrote my position, if this is trolling, well laughing
  2. +5
    April 4 2023 05: 39
    I have no doubt that they will bring Thunder-2 to mind. Time is working against us. While we are conducting positional battles and tactical offensives, the Ukrainian army is becoming stronger. Work on Grom-2 is not necessarily carried out in Ukraine, it can be in any NATO country. Under Grom-2, NATO can issue any used missile with similar characteristics. Only the rapid advance of our troops will not allow Ukraine to arm itself and will allow us to win. soldier
    1. +2
      April 4 2023 08: 07
      Quote: V.
      I have no doubt that they will bring Thunder-2 to mind.

      He's already brought. Grom-2 attacked the Saki airfield in August 2022. 6 Su-24s, 4 Su-30Ms were destroyed, one Su-24 was damaged. There were also "strange" missile strikes.
      1. 0
        April 4 2023 15: 45
        Ukrainian "comrades" do not agree with you. They assure that a sabotage group worked. Well, you said stupidity and brought the facts of your stupidity. Taking into account the distances between the parking lots and the number of school planes destroyed, there should be not one missile, but several
        1. 0
          April 5 2023 06: 22
          Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev
          Taking into account the distances between the parking lots and the number of school planes destroyed, there should be not one missile, but several

          And there were several of them. At least three.
          And another one was shot down after about a week, it was clearly visible from the beaches near Sak in the early evening. I personally observed the moment of the downing.

          Particularly touched were the words of the author that "it is unlikely that the Pavlograd Chemical Plant will be able to make TT of the required standard." The 55th gunpowder factory produced not only many types of explosives and propellant, but also equipped many types of ammunition, incl. and rockets. But most importantly, he made TTs and equipped the stages of the Molodets ICBM with them. According to the recipe of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering. The rockets themselves were also made in Pavlograd, at the PKhZ - the solid fuel division of Yuzhmash. So for Yuzhmash to make an OTRK, and even with a banal ballistic trajectory ... yes, with the help of Reyheon ... let's say for the guidance system ... it's not at all difficult. There would be funding and support for the missing components. Yuzhmash had all this. And they created OTRK. For the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Well, they left an experimental installation for themselves.
          Can they produce such missiles?
          They can.
          Do they produce?
          Produce .
          Efficiency ?
          Satisfactory. Targets hit, but high-quality air defense knocks them down.
      2. 0
        April 5 2023 13: 07
        Why are you cheating? I was in Saki literally the next day after the sabotage at the airfield. No missiles! A group of local outcasts worked, and for ridiculous money. Everyone was tied up. And numerous losses of equipment happened due to the usual gouging and violation of the rules of disgust with equipment and ammunition.
    2. +4
      April 4 2023 11: 16
      "only rapid advancement" agrees that the assembly of "Thunders" or under "Thunder" can be arranged in Poland, anywhere.
      And now the question is: "rapid advancement" by what forces?
      The number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 1220 "bayonets" (the numbers were on the website), perhaps another 000-000 thousand foreigners, and we have no more than 35-40.
      They have a large number of modern anti-tank weapons, and we have about 500 tanks with a modern short circuit.
      They have excellent NATO Aerospace Intelligence.
      You are concentrating forces at point A, and space intelligence has fixed it.
      Enemy actions? 1) pull up reserves (railway will allow), 2 deliver a massive blow with Hymers, + highly accurate shells.
      3) you can hit at points: B, C, zD. The number allows. They are now, avariciously spending "personnel" parts.
      Do you know that 400.000 volunteers have been recruited? It takes time to collect and learn them, and then you can say "fast promotion"
      1. 0
        April 5 2023 11: 47
        Do you know that 400.000 volunteers have been recruited?
        Do you think they will? even before mobilization, the first army corps was assembled. Then it was still not so clear what kind of meat was going on at the forefront. It seems to me that volunteers will not collect even 30 thousand, and yet they will have to send summons again.
      2. 0
        April 26 2023 01: 43
        Be careful with zeros. I understand that you don’t feel sorry for them, but when you read it turns out to be curious, when almost a quarter of the population of the entire Earth already serves in the Armed Forces of Ukraine (because 3 extra zeros and it turned out 1.2 billion people, instead of 1.2 million). And in the army of the Russian Federation, on the contrary, one zero was lost (64 thousand instead of 640).
      3. 0
        6 September 2023 12: 44
        One BILLION TWO HUNDRED TWENTY TWO THOUSAND bayonets in the Armed Forces of Ukraine?! Yes, they should have stormed Beijing now, and not trampled down NATO combat boots in Rabotino! Where is the underground factory for assembling the Terminators?
  3. +10
    April 4 2023 06: 12
    . This fact confirms plight of the Kyiv regime and the overall success of Russian measures to demilitarize it.

    Will it fall tomorrow?
    I have been tormented by a vague question all year long - why is the undoubted success of Russian demilitarization measures not reflected in any way on the map?
    1. -6
      April 4 2023 11: 10
      Quote: Stas157
      I have been tormented by a vague question all year long - why is the undoubted success of Russian demilitarization measures not reflected in any way on the map?

      There are a couple of options here. The first is that we can't do it without big losses. The second is connected with the fact, and who will feed and equip the territories destroyed to zero. After all, the task is not to lose our Svloreich, in fact, no one needs it as a territory, we need to make it take into account our interests, but let others contain it. In line with the second option, the course of the NWO is more or less clear.
    2. -1
      April 4 2023 15: 49
      Well, because an active offensive leads to an increase in losses, and several times more than that of the defending side. And so they go forward when there are no defenders left as a result of the work of our artillery.
    3. 0
      6 September 2023 12: 49
      You are asking the question to the WRONG audience. There is an old, old fortress in the glorious Nerizin city behind a high red wall, there is a person there who CAN answer your question IN ESSENCE. Here we can answer at least a hundred terabytes, but it will all be polemics, pouring water from one barrel to another, no more.
  4. +4
    April 4 2023 06: 46
    All is well, beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well...
    1. 0
      6 September 2023 12: 51
      That there is no bad news is already good news.
  5. +16
    April 4 2023 07: 41
    Hymers were also bad, now we don’t have time to dodge
    1. +6
      April 4 2023 10: 43
      Actually, even a club, in experienced hands, is a serious thing.
      Hymers, for crap, are kept only by naive people. For me, for the seriousness of the Hymers, a range of 80 km is enough, and there, who knows, they can "throw" 300 k.
    2. 0
      6 September 2023 12: 53
      The “allies” will not allow Thunder to grow to Khaimars. They simply won’t provide engines and avionics. Without this you won't fly much.
  6. +6
    April 4 2023 10: 07
    There is nothing surprising in the fact that Ukraine was able to create the Grom-2 operational tactical complex, the Neptune anti-ship complex and the Alder MLRS. In the USSR, most of the missile defense enterprises and design bureaus were located in Ukraine. So they had a backlog, despite the loss of production capacity, scientific and technical personnel and skilled workers. It is dangerous not to evaluate the enemy! As Admiral Ushakov said: "You are thirsty for victory. Prepare for the fact that the enemy will be twice, three times, four times stronger than you!" And don't discount Western aid. The production of the missile systems and ammunition listed above by me can be deployed in the countries of Eastern Europe, using the labor force from immigrants and refugees from Ukraine. And we have no way to destroy them there, or damage them. When will we finally understand that the NWO is not a local conflict between Russia and Ukraine, but a full-scale hybrid war between NATO and the EU against Russia, but so far on the territory of Ukraine!!! Therefore, we must be prepared for any unexpected turn of events!
  7. +5
    April 4 2023 10: 35
    "launch range up to 500 km", I saw information in the "Reporter": some modifications are over 600 km. How much did you manage to make?
    If we believe the media or bloggers, and we have no other information, they already have, in addition to Grom2, another sample of a long-range missile. Perhaps the usual boast to raise the spirits, perhaps on the way prototypes.
    It rolls to me that they can, except for Thunder2, bung up a modification of some Shahid or Zulfagar (Marzhiretsky, in "Reporter" admires him). Another thing is that there will be no field tests in full. Immediately into battle, and there it will be seen what happened
    1. -1
      April 4 2023 17: 18
      Quote: vladcub
      "launch range up to 500 km", I saw information in the "Reporter": some modifications are over 600 km. How much did you manage to make?
      If we believe the media or bloggers, and we have no other information, they already have, in addition to Grom2, another sample of a long-range missile. Perhaps the usual boast to raise the spirits, perhaps on the way prototypes.
      It rolls to me that they can, except for Thunder2, bung up a modification of some Shahid or Zulfagar (Marzhiretsky, in "Reporter" admires him). Another thing is that there will be no field tests in full. Immediately into battle, and there it will be seen what happened

      Yeah, they will bungled one that will shoot to Moscow. For the sake of media victory, they can launch it. In short, the air defense of the entire western and central districts needs to be on the alert. And then swifts flew to Tula.
  8. -3
    April 4 2023 15: 52
    Quote: Victor_Surname
    Hymers were also bad, now we don’t have time to dodge

    so it seems they didn’t speak badly against the Hymers. Well, they're slowly being knocked out.
  9. 0
    April 4 2023 16: 56
    1 question, which is more convenient, how to have shutters on top of a car in an iskander, or is it just to lift two launch containers? which are quick and easy to replace.
    The Western world follows the variant of interchangeable containers.
    The West did not allow Ukrainians to develop and restore Antonov and Yuzhmash.
    But in the West, they can organize the manufacture of rocket and complex components. In different countries, different cities. They say we do not supply long-range missiles and systems to Ukraine, they do it themselves and have the right. And they will appear over time.
    And which ballistic missile has guidance heads? This is already a quasi-ballistic missile, like an Iskander.
    And the cost of the rocket and launcher, and the possibility of their mass production, also play a big role.
  10. -1
    April 4 2023 17: 04
    There is no actual confirmation of the use of this particular type of rocket. There is just sound, but no affected data. And a lot of overflowing water in the article is only confirmation of this. Ukraine in peacetime was not able to bring the rocket to mind, but during the war, under rocket attacks, it suddenly succeeded. Well, this is not a foam UAV to assemble. I don't believe in Grim, neither 1 nor 2.
  11. Uno
    -2
    April 4 2023 19: 42
    Yeah, the downed Thunder is from the category of destroyed Himars, lined Leopards and sold French howitzers. No one has seen, but it will do
  12. 0
    April 5 2023 05: 59
    The little devils are still fluttering ..

    The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information.
  13. 0
    April 5 2023 09: 56
    In fact, they completed the project, but no one believed in it, and neither did I. But the danger is not in single samples, but in the presence of a finished project that they can produce at the facilities of Poland, the Czech Republic, even the United States
  14. -2
    April 6 2023 02: 52
    Quote from Digger
    Some Smirnov also writes to me and hangs bans. There are already 5.

    Wow, same thing. The article mentioned the Cossacks, I commented. Duck, he was so excited that in addition to the first one, he erased 5 more of my messages and hung warnings for them.
    And he wrote in a personal message and they also removed the Cossacks from the article
  15. 0
    April 8 2023 15: 18
    an article in a timely manner https://t.me/rybar/45593 ..... that the recent episode of the use of the Grim-2 OTRK will be the first and last.
    1. 0
      April 26 2023 02: 16
      Also on April 22, there was an application, in the official report of the RF Ministry of Defense (dated April 23 following the results of the 22nd) also Thunder-2: https://t.me/mod_russia/25877
  16. 0
    April 9 2023 10: 29
    Quote from Digger
    Some Smirnov also writes to me and hangs bans. There are already 5.


    Firstly, the site is parked in the same place where its owners are registered (teudat-zeut, or registration) - in Israel.

    Secondly, most likely "Smirnov" is actually Moishe or Benyamin.
  17. 0
    April 9 2023 13: 01
    Hello to the author from air defense / missile defense fighters from Feodosia. Fiery in every sense of the word.
  18. Eug
    0
    April 11 2023 11: 45
    In fact, "efficient solid fuel" was produced in Pavlograd for a very long time, incl. and for BZHRK missiles (in Soviet times, hemp was grown almost entirely in the fields around Pavlograd - one of the components of solid fuel). In addition to the chemical one, in the same Pavlograd there is a mechanical plant that produced solid-propellant rockets back in the Soviet Union.