How many more Swift flights will there be?

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How many more Swift flights will there be?

The question of whether the Ukrainians will launch Drones on our territory, as it were, and not worth it. And so it is clear that they will not go anywhere, they will launch.

It is clear (from conversations with representatives of our air defense) that they are not launching them for the purpose of causing damage, this is too presumptuous when launching one or two devices, but to analyze the work of Russian air defense on their territory. But if the test was “excellent”, then the question “should we bang” is also not a subject for controversy. Of course, bang. The world into dust, of course, will not work, but the noise in the information field is useful noise. They give money for it.




We take as an example the last blow to Kireevsk, Tula region. Seven houses were damaged and three people were injured. Meaning? None. At first sight.

We are waiting for something like this in Voronezh after the first attack. We are in no way worse than Engels, and certainly a city of a million inhabitants, a fatter target than Kireevsk with its population of 25 people.

Hidden sacred meaning? Obviously yes. Millionaire Voronezh covers an air defense regiment plus aircraft. Initially, there are few chances, because the training of the military personnel of the 108th Tula anti-aircraft missile regiment is personally well known to me and cannot be doubted. Therefore, I perfectly understand the enemy on the other side - what's the point of breaking if they shoot down? And ours will be shot down. They know how.

One of the telegram workers made a map on which he marked the points where the downed UAVs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine landed. Good work, which clearly shows that there is a constant probing of the country's air defense. Sometimes successful, sometimes not.



The question is why?


The answer is simple: because someone has developed appropriate plans. Plans to strike at targets in the country. What is the third question, the main thing is to know where and how. And therefore, drones from the territory of Ukraine are probing directions that are relatively safe for flights.


What then will fly along these routes is still difficult to say, but in the world, not only Iran produces effective attack drones. And this fact is beyond doubt.

And until this joyful moment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the old Tupolev scouts will try to break through the Russian air defense. It is really important here to know how far a hypothetical strike UAV can fly before it is noticed, identified and destroyed.

Or not destroyed. This can also happen, as shown by the state of emergency in some Russian settlements. In Tuapse, for example. It is clear why Ukrainian devices fly in such a wide fan, from the Krasnodar Territory to the Tula and Ryazan regions. To Moscow? No, why? So far, everything is clear with the capital. There is nothing to do there.

Routes of safe flight over the territory of Russia. It will turn out to cause some damage, as in Tuapse or Engels - well, no - more than enough intelligence information. In the centers it will be processed and on its basis conclusions and calculations will be made.

What then?


It is very difficult to predict something. Let's start with what the Armed Forces of Ukraine are currently operating with. That is, Tu-141 "Swift" and Tu-143 "Flight".

Tu-141 Swift



Actually, a participant in 90% of the shares in the territory of the Russian Federation. Flying 1000 km at a speed of 1000 km/h, a drone weighing almost 5,5 tons is a serious thing. The ability to fly at altitudes from 20 to 6000 meters makes it a problematic target, despite its size.

But the two "highlights" of "Strizh" are not in this.

The first is that today the Tu-141 flying from Ukraine to Russia is not the drone that was created in the 80s of the last century. And this stems from the second "zest": the birthplace of the Tu-141 "Strizh" is the city of Kharkov.

Yes, in the shops of the Kharkov Aviation Plant, where graduates of the Kharkov Aviation Institute worked mainly, with the support of the Kharkov Technical University of Radio Electronics, they created and assembled a very good device for those times.

Collect today? Easy. Yes, there have already been opinions that “everything is stolen and lost”, I wanted to be sure of this, but something tells me that everything is not so simple. And you should not count on it indiscriminately. All the documentation could easily have been preserved, which means that it is quite possible to produce new Swifts and modernize the old ones.

By the way, I hope no one will make round eyes about the fact that today's Swift is somewhat different from the one forty years ago? Naturally, they completely changed the navigation systems from inertial to more modern ones, otherwise it would have been simply impossible to achieve fairly accurate hits in Tuapse, Diaghilevo and Engels.

The Kharkov aircraft factory produced 152 Swifts. The figure is not large, but there is information that the plant has a very decent (up to a hundred) stock of hulls and engines. Is it possible to make suitable drones out of this? Naturally. But this is a very slow business, because we observe the use of "Swifts" sporadically. Obviously, when ready.

Tu-143 Flight



This device is inferior to the "Swift" in everything, less range, height, speed (slightly), dimensions. However, not everything is so clear, although some have already sentenced the "Flight" as unable to fly more than 300 km. Although the figure "300" is more than enough to keep the air defense of the front-line regions of Russia in suspense.

Specialist from Kharkov (surprisingly, right?) S. V. Skorokhod in his report "Standing the prospects for a distant development of the military technology of reconnaissance of the Reconnaissance Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" paid attention to the refinement and modernization of Soviet reconnaissance UAVs of the Reis and Swift types in accordance with the requirements of our time.

Among other things, in his reports, Skorokhod said that the range of the Tu-143 "Flight" could be increased by placing additional fuel tanks. In total, the UAV has four compartments for equipment. Reconnaissance equipment is located in compartment F1, the compartment was removable. Consider - a place for warheads. The second compartment, F-2, was filled with control and power supply equipment. And the front landing gear was retracted into this compartment. Compartment F3 - fuel. Compartment F4 - engine and container with a brake parachute.

Instead of a rack compartment, you can place the first tank. Instead of a parachute - the second. The third and fourth tanks - instead of landing gear in the wing consoles. Why does a cruise missile need a landing gear? And according to preliminary calculations, the placement of these additional tanks can increase the flight range up to 400 km.

It is not a very pleasant moment that, unlike the Tu-141 "Swift", "Reisov" riveted almost a thousand at one time. And they were made, including in Kharkov. And besides Ukraine, "Reisy" was supplied to our former allies, now supplying Ukraine with everything they can: Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania.

But in 2009, Belarus bought 50 "Reisov" from Ukraine for its own needs. It is simply unrealistic to say how many of them are still at the disposal of Ukraine, because an uncomplicated and unpretentious flying machine was generally in demand. And it is simply unrealistic to even roughly estimate the number of operational "Reiss" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But the fact that they exist, and not in single quantities, is an indisputable fact.

Very approximately, based on very inaccurate data, it is possible to voice a figure from 150 to 250 Tu-143s in varying degrees of suitability. As subject to repair and restoration to flight condition, and no.

With Tu-141 it's easier. According to open sources, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already used 29 Swifts to date, including the one that flew to Zagreb. That is, the maximum that can be at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is about 30-50 devices in varying degrees of suitability, plus an uncertain prospect of repair and assembly of new devices. But she is.

What is it all for?


What is visible on the map says only one thing - by raiding its drones, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are probing the capabilities of Russian air defense. The question is why?

Here it is worth immediately dismissing the plans for a hypothetical retaliatory strike, nothing will work: the Armed Forces of Ukraine have too few UAVs at their disposal that can fulfill the role of cruise missiles. Even a hundred or two plainly can not change anything. Thousands of missiles and "Shaheds" were flying from the Russian side, seemingly tormenting the infrastructure, but the trouble is that the energy system of Ukrainian cities was restored faster than the stocks of missiles in the Russian army were replenished.

A hundred cruise missiles from Reys and Swifts is dangerous, but not as much as Kyiv would like. Yes, Soviet drones can fly at ultra-low altitudes, avoid terrain, and so on. But cruise missiles can do it too. And the Caliber warhead of 400-450 kg is not 127 kg of the Swift warhead made with the help of an air bomb. But the Swift is also significant, of course.

So, there is no retaliation. There is an opinion that a diversionary maneuver will be carried out, simulating an attack on Russian territory, and UAVs will carry out a "massive" attack on strategic objects on our territory.

It doesn't look very good either. Of course, there are many strategic facilities on the territory of Russia, obviously more than the Swifts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In addition, the map created by the blogger makes you think about this: why are the strikes being made on such strange objects? They can be divided into two categories: useful and useless.

Useful ones are Tuapse, Engels, Diaghilevo. In Tuapse, the effect was more political than economic, but it was. In Diaghilev and Engels, it was political, and even played into our hands: finally, the airfield command tore the carcasses off the sofas and began to mask and disperse the planes, ceasing to portray the parade and exhibition formation near the runway.

Guards, Buturlinovka and Yeysk - it is clear that cities with aviation stuffing. But it didn’t work out with the approach, large Swifts were shot down, but in Yeysk, smaller Chinese Mugin-5s broke through and set up explosions.

But this is the sane part. And the other part looks really weird. Kendzhe-Kulak - village, 1100 people. New - settlement, 889 people. Kazanskaya Lopatina - farm, 338 people. Muravlevo - a village, 168 people. Airfields, strategic objects of a different plan - but there are shops not everywhere!

Plus, separately Kaluga and Moscow regions, where UAVs generally fell outside the settlements.

Testing new navigation systems? Quite possible. And where there will be no counteraction to air defense and electronic warfare. And, if this is the case, then it can be noted that the flight range of Ukrainian vehicles is so-so, despite all the tricks and upgrades.

It is clear that the same "Strizh" in its original, Soviet form, would hardly have hit the Engels airfield. Obviously, new modern autopilots and means of orientation of the device were installed. And those were problems, otherwise the Strizh with an air bomb would not have fallen near Zagreb, in Croatia. This, by the way, is just about a thousand kilometers, only to the west, a little in the other direction.

But the same "Flights" quite normally tried to attack Kursk and Belgorod.


Apparently, everything was changed: flight controllers, navigation systems, possibly with satellite adjustments. And logically, tests are going on, including where no one will definitely interfere. Farms and villages.

The first tests went very well so-so. It could be much worse, in the same Engels.

But any systems, if you work on them, will sooner or later be debugged and start working the way they are required to. But the number of "Reys" is small, and "Swifts" is even less. However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine stubbornly continue to send their vehicles on flights to our side. Knowing full well that there is nowhere to get new devices.


Stop. And where did we get the idea that Ukraine has nowhere to get devices to replace the Swifts? Above, I already expressed the opinion that not only Iran makes good UAVs. Made by Israel, USA, China.

Who will sell and how - and it does not matter, it is important that in the end more advanced UAVs may be at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Or rockets. Winged. How? Yes, everything is the same: in the holds of bulk carriers, and then by rail.

Doubtful? Well, yes, we didn’t really believe in the supply of precision-guided projectiles, and now Excaliburs and Hymars have become commonplace. So long-range missiles can come. After planning bombs. Easy.

And here the situation will not be very beautiful: the corridors for safe flights have been identified and tested, the routes have been fixed. Charge and run.

And then, instead of the Swifts, something else can fly. More perfect and accurate.

And here it is worth considering not only the desire of Kyiv to have such weapon (I’m sure, give them a nuclear warhead today - tomorrow we’ll blaze in full somewhere), but also the presence of it (and it is undoubtedly) among those who can arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine with such weapons.
And this is where our problems begin. We really won’t be able to protect ALL valuable objects within the reach of the Swifts (or something else). We simply do not have so many air defense systems.

In total, what we have:
1. Ukraine is studying the capabilities of Russian air defense by launching the Strizh and Reis UAVs on Russian territory.
2. Probably, there are attempts to resume the production of UAVs at the Kharkov Aviation Plant or to obtain similar devices from the allies.
3. Russia will not be able to protect all important objects in the frontline, at least this will require the creation of a single radar field and an increase in the number of aircraft that will fight UAVs.

Of course, it is somewhat sad that there are no statements from Ukraine regarding “weapons of retaliation”, “weapons of the last blow” and stuff like that. Usually this indicates that things are getting worse than ever, and this, by analogy with the Second World War, is followed by attacks on the civilian population.

However, the painstaking work carried out by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of modernized Soviet drones leads to certain reflections. Namely, that we can again find ourselves in the position of reacting and catching up. And this is not the best way to win.


So the flights of Swifts and Flights will still continue. Until the devices are completely used up or the tasks set are completed - but they will.
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  1. +14
    29 March 2023 04: 01
    The paths are filled for subsequent strikes with Western products.
    1. +23
      29 March 2023 04: 59
      to resume the production of UAVs at the Kharkov Aviation Plant
      Erase it to dust! For some reason it hasn't been done yet!
      1. +31
        29 March 2023 06: 57
        Erase it to dust! For some reason it hasn't been done yet!
        Tried SVO first. But there it is possible to wet the surface and dust is not formed. Or maybe there are not enough graters ... winked
        1. +2
          29 March 2023 07: 17
          Indeed, it is very similar to system tests. They are looking for where they removed all the air defense systems.
          1. -3
            29 March 2023 08: 36
            All power to the Soviets!

            Quote: Civil
            Indeed, it is very similar to system tests. They are looking for where they removed all the air defense systems.

            And a test for "our" corrupt elite in uniform for loyalty to the master because of the puddle.
            Without their participation, the passage would not have been possible.

            In the 90s, officers loyal to the West were moved up the ranks at an accelerated pace. Not a few generals in the General Staff continue to meet the sun every morning from the West, but it rises again and again in the East.



            If the enemies are convinced that "our" elite will not allow a retaliatory strike against them, a nuclear strike against us will be inevitable. First of all, the blow will be inflicted on Moscow and other large cities, where basically all these traitors are sitting. It doesn’t reach them that a vigorous bomb does not distinguish between Democrats and Liberals, etc. She doesn’t care. No one will warn them in advance. "The Moor has done his job, the Moor can die" ... They will burn in a nuclear fire just like everyone else.
            1. +6
              29 March 2023 12: 34
              Quote: Boris55
              All power to the Soviets!

              Soviet power was strong, Swifts still fly. Red stars protrude on the body of the UAV as a result of fading applied over the emblems of the Ukrainian Air Force. Please note that the remnants of a yellow circle are clearly visible around the star, which is the Ukrainian emblem. Most likely, these "Swifts" are being lifted from storage, and the Soviet red stars are hastily covered with modern Ukrainian identification marks that cannot withstand high temperatures. Burnt-out emblems of the PS of Ukraine can be seen on the wreckage of the Tu-141 "Strizh" from the Crimea and the Voronezh region.
            2. 0
              April 5 2023 12: 49
              And why launch a nuclear strike if the elites, as you think, are loyal to the West?
          2. +2
            29 March 2023 12: 54
            "where they filmed all the air defense systems" except for reconnaissance, there is also a moral - a psychological factor.
            How will you feel at the thought that at any moment, it will shy away from the sky?
            A man from the Bryansk region moved to our village, he said: almost every day shelling. + Gangs of marauders formed. Where they fired, they rush there to chew on something. People are getting on their nerves.
        2. +1
          29 March 2023 16: 56
          They bombed not so long ago, somewhere in February-March. And, very tough. However, the plant is probably also trying to take the necessary products out of harm's way.
      2. +7
        29 March 2023 07: 06
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Erase it to dust! For some reason it hasn't been done yet!
        Because we can't.
        Pin "Iskanders" are not suitable for this
        Need carpet bombing
        And there is little aviation, the air defense of the ukrov works
        1. KCA
          -9
          29 March 2023 09: 32
          What kind of air defense works, can you elaborate? What did they shoot down? 18 out of 12 launched "Caliber"? For carpet bombing, we don’t have carriers at all, SU-24 and SU-34, FSE, there are no more bombers, TU-95MS, TU-160, TU-22M3 missile carriers, FAB-3 can still be loaded into M250, and nivkak into the rest
          1. -2
            29 March 2023 20: 57
            The fact that the Russian Aerospace Forces still does not have superiority in the sky over the outskirts in the second year of the war indicates that their air defense is working.
            1. 0
              April 6 2023 20: 41
              I served and saw it all from the inside. Everywhere something is missing and something does not work
        2. +1
          29 March 2023 13: 35
          Recently, the news slipped that ours gradually began to convert aerial bombs into guided ones, which is much cheaper than releasing UAVs, and the bombs have much more warheads. It seems that the first tests of the pen were already on pigs) At 40-50 km, it is quite capable of planning for itself, which means that you can bludgeon the front with them and a little deeper without the danger of being hit by air defense. So, as gystsa, we will look further, if necessary, they will do this good. The study of air defense by pigstripes is also an ambiguous thing, our air defense officers were, to put it mildly, not idiots in Soviet times, and they came up with a bunch of things technically and in terms of events. And, by the way, the six-day war of the Arabs in the 70s with Israel showed what would happen if ours were not listened to and measures were not taken))) This is when almost all air defense was scattered to the Arabs, except for one cube, the commander of which put the bolter on the orders of his superiors and still at least started to maneuver))
          It is quite possible that after each span of the swift, something is changed so that everything does not stand completely static. Who knows them there.
        3. +4
          29 March 2023 14: 01
          "carpet" like the USA? Ours won’t go for it, they wouldn’t go for it under the Union, not now
      3. +12
        29 March 2023 09: 17
        Perhaps the co-owners of this plant are people from the upper echelons of our government.
        1. -4
          29 March 2023 09: 39
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Million
          Attention! co-owners of this plant are people from the upper echelons of our government.

          1. +4
            29 March 2023 09: 54
            You can search for information about who are the owners and co-owners of many Ukrainian enterprises. I think you will be surprised.
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            2. -4
              29 March 2023 10: 04
              All power to the Soviets!

              Quote: Million
              I think you will be surprised.

              No. I won't be surprised. We were once a single state ... and the green ones that we have, that they have - smell the same.

              “Maybe this is not true. I would very much like to believe. But if this is not true, then I would like to see these strikes, including on these enterprises. 903 objects - this is according to Ukrainian data! – are indirectly or directly owned by the Russian oligarchy. 903 objects! Here is the solution, here are the answers to all questions. If this is not true, dissuade us from this - grind these objects into dust, and at the same time together with the railway, ”concluded Sergey Mikheev.

              More:
              https://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2022/11/25/1000_obektov_na_ukraine_prinadlezhit_rossiiskim_oligarham
        2. 0
          29 March 2023 13: 39
          I don’t think, it’s more likely that people in the upper echelons have views of a fairly large plant with a bunch of competencies, and don’t want to scatter it, if only the potential benefit from passing the plants into our hands exceeds the actual harm from their activities in the hands of piggies. Of course, according to the assessment of these very people in the upper echelons, and not the people's assessment, one must be a realist here and not build illusions. But do not fall into all-propal moaning, because they will not help in any way. The will of the elites is the reality of any country at any time.
      4. 0
        29 March 2023 10: 24
        Why did you get to the bottom of the swifts? The West will send as many Drones as needed. Perhaps the ukroreich is saving up drones for a massive strike! Imagine a massive drone attack on a city of a million people!? The political effect is impressive
        1. -10
          29 March 2023 10: 33
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Clever man
          Ukroreich is saving up drones for a massive strike!
          Imagine a massive drone attack on a city of a million people!?
          The political effect is impressive

          Another adviser on how to cause more damage to our Motherland ...

          Where is the site administration looking?
          VO turns into accomplices of terrorism?
          1. 0
            29 March 2023 13: 53
            Well, I wouldn’t call him an adviser, because he says things that are understandable to everyone)) I think that in the pig farm they understand this even without the advice of couch specialists))) The only question is how stupid people are sitting in the saloreich chancellery, and at what speed it comes to them understanding that any measure of escalation in a conflict is a game that can be played together)) The first wave of NWO did not work - in the second, Saloreich received a very sour number of corpses. They issued a Kharkov counteroffensive - in response, ours leveled the front, optimized the line of defense, some received a hat, carried out a little mobilization and drove a bunch of people, dug up almost the entire front border from south to north. In saloreikha, the Crimean bridge was temporarily damaged - in return they had a temporary blackout and a very non-acid damage in terms of money in the energy sector. Well, that is, any escalation will still give rise to some actions on our part. Otherwise, even after the first wave of the NMD, they would have returned their territories, including Crimea)) So these actions of intimidation are a vague scam with an incomprehensible prospect. Discontent in society will grow faster and the demand to smash the pigs into chips, but I certainly doubt that this will lead to the demand of the people to stop the war)))
            ps With regards to the attack on the bridge, by the way, I am tormented by curiosity on this topic whether this young narrow-minded strategist from the SBU understood at all (Budanov, if I am not mistaken, planned this attack) that in return they would smash their energy so much and relatively accurately. Recently, there has been little news about him at all, it is quite possible that for the consequences of this action, the guidnisti gave him a little slap on the hat.
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        2. -1
          29 March 2023 18: 13
          Yes, just today with 404 they announced the accumulation of 1000+ drones to strike.
        3. 0
          April 28 2023 23: 32
          You can imagine it, but I think that in this case they will use high-powered electromagnetic weapons on the approach of this entire armada. They don’t particularly use single drones, because they will burn out a bunch of electronics on their territory. But in the mass case, the "game" is worth the candle.
      5. +2
        29 March 2023 10: 28
        Because they couldn't. That's why. All missiles died a heroic death in an unequal struggle with transformers. But in Lvov, the lights were turned off and the trams did not run.
      6. +1
        29 March 2023 15: 30
        If they were produced there, then there would be blows. Ukrainians use those that were released a long time ago. This is judged by our wreckage. They just modify the control unit and add explosives instead of a payload. Our border line is reinforced with air defense and electronic warfare stations, but it is still very long, and we need a lot of installations. But it is being done. Just look, before something flew by, and now almost everything is intercepted. In general, there are many surprises in this war. It may be good that not everything immediately begins to be applied, but gradually, there is time to prepare and determine the opposition.
    2. 0
      29 March 2023 09: 19
      In total, what we have:

      —-Forget the probable obvious probing, the probable increase in the number ... improvement of the performance characteristics of "Swifts, ...."

      --1. Flights of these UAVs in different directions to Russia, at different distances to “meaningless coordinates” TESTING AND ADJUSTING THE INERTIA NAVSSYSTEM. It is in Russian directions where air defense does not interfere that this is optimal (otherwise they will not reach). You don't believe that "Swift, ..." will use satellite navigation.

      —-2. Any, ANY air defense system, especially in a direction or a narrow segment, can be saturated, discharged, bled, blinded ... in the end - destroyed. Even with ".. a single radar field plus an increase in the number of aircraft that will fight UAVs ....". And - before the main blow. Air defense is not a guarantee, not a panacea, but a means to multiply the damage from the enemy's airborne forces.

      Here is an example of saturation in the X direction: Grad MLRS work in X, cheap and cheerful, and after using the main and spare salvo of air defense missiles in X, the enemy will use HIMARS ... - this is the bridge across the Dnieper in Kherson so taken out of use.

      Therefore, the adversaries seek to destroy the air forces before the strike on the air defenses ... June 22, the Six Day War ... here is an algorithm that works for the controlled air force. This method can be used in the fight against Swifts and Flights. But it is not applicable in the fight against UAVs of the "Gerani" type.

      —-3. Air defense was developed in the EPOCH BEFORE UAVs, with all the ensuing consequences .. The experience of using existing air defense systems (not for strategic purposes) against UAVs like the improved Geraniums is far from in favor of the thesis that defense by air defense systems is consistent with an attack by such UAVs. From the point of view of production capacity per unit of time, labor force, not to mention money, this is a MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ADVANTAGE of the production of such UAVs. And 50 "Swifts" will be enough for a certain conditional control object ... as well as N "Flights" for another object.
      1. 0
        29 March 2023 11: 47
        High-quality EMP will disable all power and electronics, even de-energized, except for specially protected ones, there will be no direct victims either! A tool proven back in 1962 - "Starfish Prime" recourse
        1. +4
          29 March 2023 12: 21
          Quote: engineer74
          Starfish Prime

          YYY!!! laughing

          This is when the Americans filled up a third of the active satellites with one blow? And yours, including?

          No, don't get that...
          1. 0
            29 March 2023 12: 42
            In my opinion, it is quite logical: since we have problems with communications, thermal imagers and UAVs, then everyone should have problems! Then let's see who knows the flag alphabet and paper maps better! soldier
            PS And by the way, then the notorious T-55/62 will become a real prodigy! wink
            1. -5
              29 March 2023 20: 37
              Following your logic, if you crap one's pants, then everyone's pants are also dirty?
        2. -1
          29 March 2023 23: 48
          Quote: engineer74
          A tool proven back in 1962 - "Starfish Prime"

          it remains to launch Thor with a W49 thermonuclear warhead with a 1,5 MT unloaded.
          Typical, that the Russians, that the Americans had only W78 and W87 (and analogues). France has TNA with a capacity of up to 300 kilotons and TNO with a capacity of 150 kilotons, England has Holbrook with a maximum capacity of up to 100 kilotons
          And "tested" ... no
          "deaf" satellites on the LEO type TRAAC and Transit 4B.
          and the rest is pampering - northern lights
          Read more here
          http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA955411&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf
      2. 0
        29 March 2023 14: 08
        You do not cite the six-day war as an example, there are a lot of reasons for the removal of the entire Arab air defense in general, which played a key role, were not related to the air defense itself - basically, these are the reasons for the idiocy of the top leadership, which ordered to stand, not to go anywhere, not to change frequencies , and so on. Soviet air defense and intelligence officers were also not bad, already in those days the amers had all these counter-air missiles, and so on, and ours worked out many non-trivial measures against them, only the Arab figures from above did not take a single piece of advice from our specialists. One, it seems, a cube, or whatever it is, survived among the Arabs, and for this, the crew commander, who scored the bolt on orders, only had one measure: maneuvering) And in the context of the air defense itself, Israel had a strong advantage: they could attack from all directions, that is, outside the "forehead" and "petals" of the radiation pattern, while the Zhovtoblakit ones do not have such an opportunity, only "on the forehead" is available from the directions. As the result showed: none of these missiles, whatever they are, HARM, it seems, did not hit our air defense systems, the carriers were stupidly hit at long distances long before the aircraft entered the range of the HARM. Moreover, there is a serious dependence, an anti-radar missile needs to climb much higher to increase the range, but our air defense also grows greatly in range when the aircraft is raised high.
      3. -1
        29 March 2023 23: 41
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        TESTING AND ADJUSTING THE INERTIA NAVSSYSTEM.

        it is not "experienced" like that.
        INS - 100 years in the afternoon.
        all routes have been thoroughly studied since 1991

        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Any, ANY air defense system, especially in a direction or a narrow segment, can be saturated,

        how ? 1 Tu -141 per week?
        Well, yes. and a Chinese ball can be "satiated" with one. any, any
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Here is an example of saturation in the X direction: Grad MLRS work in X, cheap and cheerful, and after using the main and spare salvo of air defense missiles in X, the enemy will use HIMARS

        recourse
        BM Grad has 40 guides
        Himars have -6 for ONE BM,one, one
        the 321st separate squadron of unmanned reconnaissance aircraft from a force of 70 WAS in 2022, in stock, and a total of 150 were produced (from the king of peas), but this is not accurate
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Air defense was developed in the EPOCH BEFORE UAVs, with all the ensuing consequences

        1960 Ryan Model 147A Fire Fly and Ryan Model 147B LIghtning Bug, USA
        In 1973, in the "War of Attrition", the Israelis equipped Firebee aircraft with aerial photography equipment. The trap worked - the enemy air defense systems carried out 43 missile launches on radio-controlled aircraft.

        Operation "Medvedka 19" ("Artsav-19") in 1982, IAI Scout and Mastiff literally opened (like a rusty tin can) all 4 Syrian air defense brigades, the most modern at that time. They conducted a live television broadcast of the image to the command posts. Receiving visual information, the command made decisions for launching missile strikes (Shrikai, aviation).
        well and further in the text, to the Armenian-Azerbaijani
        Vs
        January 13 1972 years according to the government decree of the USSR were started work on the new air defense system 9K37 (or "Buk")
        July 24, 1969, in accordance with the decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the development of the 9K35 Strela-10SV complex was started.
        Serial production of the S-300PT system began in 1975. In 1978, tests of the system were completed; in 1979, the first S-300PT regiment went on combat duty
        Work on the creation of a divisional autonomous self-propelled air defense system "Tor" began at the NIEMI in accordance with the Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, dated February 4, 1975
        In 1990-ies Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences A. G. Shipunov put forward the idea to create a replacement for the Strela-10 air defense system
        Pantsir-S1 Works on the creation of the complex were completed in 1994, it was first demonstrated at MAKS-1995. In 2006, tests began at the Kapustin Yar test site.
        well, etc. to the S-900 air defense system
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        multiple, MULTIPLE ADVANTAGE of the production of such UAVs.

        the stump is clear, the stump is clear.
        Air defense is not an offensive, not a strike weapon. investing gigantic funds in it, you will not conquer the territory of the enemy, you will not cause damage.
        And very expensive
        Russia has supplied Turkey with S-400 Triumph air defense systems worth $2,5 billion, said Sergei Chemezov, head of the Rostec state corporation.

        yes figs with him how much is there, let all 6 anti-aircraft missile systems 98Zh6E
        vs
        one UAV will cost 5 million dollars, and a set (6 drones, 2 control stations, plus 200 pieces of ammunition and additional equipment) will cost 69 million dollars
        $2,5 Billion: $69 million = 36 sets = 216 UAVs with 200 ammunition. ammunition can be purchased separately and cheaply. There is the most valuable control station. How many were destroyed? Zero?
        If you put junk in front of the Bayraktars. The only thing left to do is clean up

        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        You don't believe that "Swift, ..." will use satellite navigation.

        All Ukrainian TU-141s are equipped with GPS receivers (the price is $3/piece) and they whisper, they whisper that the correction via the satellite has been adjusted.
  2. +9
    29 March 2023 04: 31
    All these launches look like product tests. The main goal is a massive blow to the Crimea.
    1. -2
      29 March 2023 07: 43
      Crimea is a good target, but a strike on Moscow to show its vulnerability from a moral point of view for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is much more effective.
      Muscovites, like St. Petersburg residents, are very infected with liberalism and pacifism, the task is to bring them to the streets against Putin and the war.
      All revolutions are made in the capital.
      1. +5
        29 March 2023 09: 13
        Quote: Flibuster
        Crimea is a good target, but a strike on Moscow to show its vulnerability from a moral point of view for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is much more effective.

        And what are the goals in Moscow? Here is the goal of mass destruction. 25 km. the bird of happiness of tomorrow, named Swift, did not fly to her. With a successful hit and a good wind rose, he can reach the redstone.
        1. -16
          29 March 2023 10: 10
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Here is the goal of mass destruction. 25 km. the bird of happiness of tomorrow, named Swift, did not fly to her.

          If the next Swift reaches the place you specified, will it be possible to consider you a guide and guilty of causing death and bodily harm to two or more persons?

          Pray to God that this doesn't happen.
          Or ask the administrator to delete your post, and for one, my post.

          ps
          TsIPSO approved your post - plus. They need bad boys.
          Are you ready to serve 25 years for a mythical plus sign?
          1. +11
            29 March 2023 10: 34
            I recommend that you start writing to Comrade Major now. After all, the location of the enterprise, which is on all maps, is, of course, a military secret.
            1. -2
              29 March 2023 11: 34
              What cards are these? Do you have such cards? We urgently need to report these cards to a special department...
          2. +8
            29 March 2023 10: 38
            Quote: Boris55
            If the next Swift reaches the place you indicated, can you be considered a gunner and guilty of causing death and bodily harm to two or more people?

            This map is from the officer's portal "Major", and not at all my work. And what they release there, I read in the Young Technique in the first half of the 80s. Can they be considered gunners?
            Quote: Boris55
            Are you ready to serve 25 years for a mythical plus sign?

            By the way, I live there, and if this UAV hit the above target, I would not write here now.
            1. -5
              29 March 2023 10: 56
              All power to the Soviets!

              Quote: Mordvin 3
              This map is from the officer's portal "Major", and not at all my work.

              Reposting does not remove responsibility. I hear about the Major portal for the first time. Is it there that all those "officers" are sitting who indicate to our enemies the targets with the greatest damage to us and zones of unhindered passage (not air defense cover)?

              Quote: Mordvin 3
              if this UAV hit the above target, then I would not write here now.

              Then I don't understand you. Why are you telling terrorists how to kill you?
              We already know all our dangerous productions. It is not necessary to concentrate the attention of the enemy on this. "Don't cry famously while it's quiet". hi
              1. +4
                29 March 2023 11: 59
                Quote: Boris55
                Why are you telling terrorists how to kill you?

                I tell our people what goals to protect. I have a photo of at least six friends who worked there, or work there, and they don’t smile at me at all that something would fall on their heads.
                The UAV heard this explosion, although I’m not sure, maybe there was a single roll of thunder, it’s been raining intermittently here for the third or fourth day. And I remember very well the panic at the beginning of the XNUMXs, when a small fire broke out at the plant. As well as the complete swearing speech of the fireman, who was shown in the news of the central channels, in particular on NTV. So let it be better to watch the sky there, we won’t knock it down with a slingshot.
          3. +4
            29 March 2023 12: 49
            (Boris Leontievich)
            consider you a guide

            Then I don't understand you. Why are you telling terrorists how to kill you?
            We already know all our dangerous productions.
            You surprise me, where is your logic? laughing
            Will the gunner write through an open channel, for everyone to see, what is where to be from the territories of the Russian Federation?))))))
            Especially in an enterprise that probably won’t want to move anywhere for the time being, since moving such enterprises will not be cheap.
            Everything is in the public domain, and even if there was no Googlemap, there are old or new maps left, if you know the approximate trajectory of the carrier, you can use a pencil and a ruler to determine what the main goal was. This is a school task in geometry and mathematics. Excuse me, I just don't understand what's so secret about it? You drive me into a stupor! laughing
          4. +2
            29 March 2023 20: 09
            Quote: Boris55
            ps
            TsIPSO approved your post - plus. They need bad boys.
            Are you ready to serve 25 years for a mythical plus sign?
            Your stupidity is rather tiring. Stop embarrassing the whole site.
          5. -3
            29 March 2023 20: 39
            Boris stop drinking moonshine)
        2. +2
          29 March 2023 11: 14
          "And what are the goals in Moscow?"
          like some Moscow. a couple of rockets across the Red Square, can you imagine what it will be, even if there are no casualties at all?
          1. +3
            29 March 2023 12: 07
            Quote: aglet
            a couple of rockets on red square,

            Red Square under the protection of UNESCO. It will be possible to condemn the world community.
    2. +1
      29 March 2023 10: 32
      Not necessarily in the Crimea. There are other goals as well.
    3. 0
      29 March 2023 13: 30
      You are wrong. As an example (the central media are silent and will remain silent) today it flew near Belgorod where I don’t write intentionally. It hit one of the gas distribution facilities, or rather a reservoir. the topic will understand why the air defense did not work. And this is like shelling every day.
      1. +1
        29 March 2023 14: 58
        Quote: Mikhail Maslov
        As an example (the central media are silent and will remain silent) today I flew in near Belgorod where I don’t write intentionally. It hit one of the gas distribution facilities, or rather a reservoir

        VO wrote three hours before you.
  3. +29
    29 March 2023 04: 44
    The issue with the swifts and in general with this strange military operation is a purely political issue of prostitution. Let the military fight as it is necessary according to science, for results and for victory, do not hold their hands and do not limit their choice of means (except for nuclear weapons, of course). Just focus on providing them with EVERYTHING they need and do not interfere with them with prohibitions, and remove the oligarchy from influencing decision-making at the front. Don't beat them, don't shoot there, don't destroy them, don't touch them... Nonsense. While the politicians of the Kremlin are climbing with sticky sweaty hands to where they are ordered to enter, until then we will take bakhmuts for 8 months, swifts will fly, shells with depleted uranium, leopards with challengers and aircraft are on the way. Does the Kremlin generally want to win the war, or does it want to destroy the maximum of the able-bodied male population of the Russian Federation and bleed the country? It is necessary to determine the goals and it is necessary to determine the means to achieve them.
    1. +11
      29 March 2023 05: 19
      + 100 / 500.
      I immediately recall the proverb of life: "To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear" (c) It was not said by me ....
    2. +16
      29 March 2023 05: 38
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Does the Kremlin generally want to win the war, or does it want to destroy the maximum of the able-bodied male population of the Russian Federation and bleed the country?

      And the color of the nation dies, which has chosen a different path, radically different from the path of those hanykhs who slander the people, who show off in front of the "rogue" in between parties, "ceremonial events" to open a nine-kilometer railway track, festive receptions, forums and other window dressing.
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      It is necessary to determine the goals and it is necessary to determine the means to achieve them.

      It is high time to decide why the whole of Russia cannot liberate one region for the second year and whether the United Russia government is really power from the people.
      1. +7
        29 March 2023 09: 13
        About United Russia, I think the question is rhetorical
      2. -1
        30 March 2023 11: 22
        I saw this shame with the opening of the 9km railway track! Opened with great fanfare! Show the Chinese they will laugh!!!
    3. -20
      29 March 2023 07: 11
      You sing sweetly, child of Ukraine. At least come up with something new. Amateurs
    4. +15
      29 March 2023 07: 17
      After raising the retirement age, are there any questions about the essence of the United Russia government?
    5. +10
      29 March 2023 07: 30
      Quite "zaputinsky" Sergei Markov gives an assessment of the US Secretary of Defense. Are they lying again?

      "1. In heavy fighting, Russia's military capabilities are seriously undermined.
      2. Russia lacks military equipment, so it is forced to put into battle very old tanks.
      3. Russia does not have enough shells and missiles for intense battles.
      4. The Russian government can not cope with the production of weapons. Therefore, Russia is forced to ask for help from Iran and North Korea."
      1. KCA
        -2
        29 March 2023 09: 40
        Markov is a dobol and a demagogue, from my city, I’ve known him for a long time, an expert to chew snot and not say anything smart, let’s make me a political scientist and deputy, after a couple of buggers on TV I’ll get used to it and I’ll be much more picturesque, I have enough vocabulary rich, read more than one ton of books
    6. +7
      29 March 2023 08: 41
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      we will take bahmuts for 8 months

      Haven't taken it yet!

      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Need to set goals

      I am sure that the goal has long been defined. It corresponds to the last voiced goals. And this is the protection of Donbass and its population. I have not heard of a further promotion.

      The Kremlin has repeatedly voiced that it does not need all of Ukraine. That he has no goal to change the leadership in Ukraine. And that he is always open to peaceful negotiations (with the previous leadership).
      That is why all the dreams to take Kyiv, to reach Poland are our personal inventions, which have no confirmation from above.
      1. +3
        29 March 2023 09: 10
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        we will take bahmuts for 8 months

        Haven't taken it yet!

        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Need to set goals

        I am sure that the goal has long been defined. It corresponds to the last voiced goals. And this is the protection of Donbass and its population. I have not heard of a further promotion.

        The Kremlin has repeatedly voiced that it does not need all of Ukraine. That he has no goal to change the leadership in Ukraine. And that he is always open to peaceful negotiations (with the previous leadership).
        That is why all the dreams to take Kyiv, to reach Poland are our personal inventions, which have no confirmation from above.

        You say Ukrainian territories are not needed? What about referendums? And okay Kherson, LDNR, there at least most of the territory is under control and the majority could vote, but Zaporozhye? Regarding the lack of the idea of ​​overthrowing the current Ukrainian government, the appeal of our President more than a year ago to a fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a call to take leadership and take power into their own hands is that? ... Are we always ready for negotiations? But what about the statements of last year’s March that only on our terms and period, no discussions? ...
        In general, nothing is clear with goals at all, with means too (or rather, how - talking heads say “everything is there, but then there are secret reserves for later”, and in the end we see echelons with what we have ...)
        Regarding Ukrainian launches, it seems to me that the goal is quite clear, demonstrating their capabilities + testing for the future ... The Armed Forces of Ukraine use NATO tactics and doctrine, but due to the lack of the possibility of massive air strikes (well, Ukraine does not have enough aircraft to suppress air defense and complete air supremacy) in the move will be such drones ... there will be an attempt to bring down logistics and control again, and then surround our forces with maneuverable forces with subsequent “regroupings” or boilers (which is even worse) ....
        1. +1
          29 March 2023 09: 20
          Quote: parma
          But what about the statements of last year’s March that only on our terms and period, no discussions? ...
          But what about Matvienko's statement of February this year about readiness for negotiations without any conditions?
          1. +6
            29 March 2023 09: 32
            Quote: aars
            Quote: parma
            But what about the statements of last year’s March that only on our terms and period, no discussions? ...
            But what about Matvienko's statement of February this year about readiness for negotiations without any conditions?

            And when did it appear? Not after the successes of the enemy in the summer and autumn of last year and the almost complete absence of our successes? And when was a package of assistance in more than 3000 units of armored vehicles for Ukraine accepted there? ... while we were “on horseback”, no one was going to negotiate with us, but as soon as the “scales” began to swing, the situation changed ... well, yes - last spring it was Zelensky On the part of Ukraine, he offered negotiations, moreover, between the heads of state and on conditions that are quite acceptable to us (well, according to the initial theses on demilitarization, etc.), and who offers them now?...
            1. +4
              29 March 2023 11: 30
              "and the almost complete lack of our successes?"
              and now what, successes have appeared "? eight-month standing around Artyomovsk is a success? the second year of the liberation of Donetsk, standing still, the fourth, according to Pushilin, the liberation of Maryinka is a success? what can you call success? victoriously squeezing the enemy out of the berry farm with a population of 300 people? how many years will it take to liberate Kharkov? and even Kherson? that's why the leaders make gestures and are ready for negotiations without any conditions, because victory is very far away, not only everyone will be able to live
              1. +2
                29 March 2023 13: 01
                Quote: aglet
                "and the almost complete lack of our successes?"
                and now what, successes have appeared "? eight-month standing around Artyomovsk is a success? the second year of the liberation of Donetsk, standing still, the fourth, according to Pushilin, the liberation of Maryinka is a success? what can you call success? victoriously squeezing the enemy out of the berry farm with a population of 300 people? how many years will it take to liberate Kharkov? and even Kherson? that's why the leaders make gestures and are ready for negotiations without any conditions, because victory is very far away, not only everyone will be able to live

                There are tactical successes, another question is how big they really are, but the main thing is what report is put on the table for decision makers ... the Ministry of Defense reported on the destruction of the first Bradley infantry fighting vehicles back in September (then there was even no talk of deliveries), the officially declared number of M270 destroyed and khimarsov will soon approach all pan-European reserves ... if the report says that all this was during the capture of a conditional soledar or the assault on Bakhmut, and we have “no losses”, then this may very well look successful (raises hope that Kiev’s western allies they will get tired of losing equipment and give up a disastrous business), which means that you can make small concessions ... after all, we have our own opinion, the leadership has its own ... and our sources of information are radically different ...
        2. +4
          29 March 2023 09: 49
          Quote: parma
          message from our President over a year ago

          Quote: parma
          What about statements March last year

          So it was a long time ago!
          Have you noticed that the stated goals at the beginning may not be mentioned later and even contradict the subsequent ones?

          We don't have anything static and solid these days. Whether it's the Constitution or the President's word. And you talk about goals! We react situationally. And the situation is changing rapidly. Therefore, you must listen latest voiced statements as the most reliable.
      2. 0
        29 March 2023 09: 34
        Unfortunately, without "reaching Poland" the task "Security of the DPR and LPR (and Russia in general)" cannot be solved in any way. Options are possible when the western part of the territory of Ukraine will be transferred to Poland and Romania, but these options are also formed only in the process of "reaching Poland." Something like this.
      3. +5
        29 March 2023 10: 38
        Great, but why was there a landing on Kyiv then? Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv .... Or are there "no losses" there, the tanks just drove around and calmly left?
        1. +7
          29 March 2023 11: 36
          "Excellent, but why was there a landing on Kyiv then? Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv ...."
          the collective flight of high thought of the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff, and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. and when it began to dawn that the reality was not at all the same as he had dreamed of in his dreams, gestures immediately began, and the return to the original ones, where, for the second year, we stay
    7. -1
      29 March 2023 10: 35
      And in what ways are they limited? There is long-range aviation, there is a fleet, there is AWACS, infantry, tanks, MLRS ... Everything is there.
    8. +6
      29 March 2023 11: 34
      What are you angry at the Kremlin. The Kremlin is a pragmatic animal, for money and cognac it is ready to be friends with anyone. Greetings to Mr. Putin came from sunny allied Armenia. Like, if you fly to us, we will arrest you and send you to The Hague. As the Kremlin reacted, the Kremlin asked for an explanation. He was answered politely, they say, we will send you to The Hague through our Armenian regret, so you don’t come to us, it’s better to send troops instead of you to protect us from evil Azerbaijan, otherwise we will join NATO.
  4. +7
    29 March 2023 04: 48
    On those UAVs "Tu", which, during the fall, retained the tail section and that part of the wing where identification marks were applied, it can be seen that under the "fresh" Ukrainian ones, the stars of the USSR were also applied, that is, the car bodies are old
    1. +2
      29 March 2023 09: 52
      It's more about the stuffing than about the cases.
      By the filling, one can judge how far the NATO countries are involved in the production of UAV data.

      After all, in principle, Ukraine and tomahawks can shoot - they will only re-grow under a trident.
      1. KCA
        -2
        29 March 2023 10: 14
        Th, and Russia can shoot anything along a flat trajectory along Kuev, it’s not a problem to convert the decommissioned Topoli into warheads into two tons of hexogen, at a speed of 7-10MAX you can simply fill the bus with concrete, especially for a flat trajectory it is not needed, even without warheads, tons of 4 concrete will smash the quarter, especially the 95th
        1. 0
          29 March 2023 10: 24
          All the same, there is a difference - NATO does not fight on its territory, but Russia does. Here it is important not to get confused in the red lines.
    2. +3
      29 March 2023 11: 42
      "that is, the car bodies are old"
      very profound remark. so what, they stopped flying from this? all the weapons that are used there on both sides are Soviet, 30-50 years old. Their allies added a little bit of Western weapons, and our partners, and we have only Soviet ones, which means excellent!
  5. +11
    29 March 2023 04: 52
    Russia will not be able to protect all important objects in the front line, at least this will require the creation of a single radar field


    But what about our "Voronezh" and the like? I remember it was announced that with these locators we cover the ALL around Russia at a distance of 6 km!
    1. +19
      29 March 2023 05: 05
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      But what about our "Voronezh" and the like? I remember it was announced that with these locators we cover the ALL around Russia at a distance of 6 km!

      These are over-the-horizon early warning radars, they are able to see air targets only at medium and high altitudes. At the same time, the accuracy of determining the parameters of aerodynamic targets at such stations leaves much to be desired, and they are not suitable for issuing target designation to air defense systems.
      1. +5
        29 March 2023 05: 13
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        But what about our "Voronezh" and the like? I remember it was announced that with these locators we cover the ALL around Russia at a distance of 6 km!

        These are over-the-horizon early warning radars, they are able to see air targets only at medium and high altitudes. At the same time, the accuracy of determining the parameters of aerodynamic targets at such stations leaves much to be desired, and they are not suitable for issuing target designation to air defense systems.

        So we have nothing to defend ourselves against khokhlyatsky drones? I understand? If single drones break through, then what happens when they fly in a flock? It is already reported that the Hohlov have thousands of them!
        1. +4
          29 March 2023 08: 00
          The solution would be constant A-50 patrols, but they are negligible.
        2. +4
          29 March 2023 10: 45
          You are right, yes, nothing. There are not so many short-range air defense systems, the country is big, you can always find an uncovered route. Did you think it would be different? Will they play giveaway?
    2. +3
      29 March 2023 06: 40
      If you read how ZGRLS works (even on Wikipedia) - it will become clear why they cannot be used for this wink ZGRLS coverage area from Ukraine - begins in the west of the Lviv region, and even such a small and low target is not visible, anyway ..
    3. +5
      29 March 2023 10: 43
      These locators are not capable of detecting such targets, much less giving target designations. They work like this: “There is something flying across the ocean, plus or minus 100 km, somewhere there at some speed.
    4. +2
      29 March 2023 11: 45
      "But what about our Voronezh and the like?"
      this is for ballistic intercontinental missiles of our colleagues and partners
  6. -3
    29 March 2023 05: 29
    What is it all for?
    What is visible on the map says only one thing - by raiding its drones, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are probing the capabilities of Russian air defense. The question is why?

    Only in order to once again show the entire world community that the RUSSIAN BEAR is already old and weak, that it can be “filled up” if you pile on together ...
    In addition, all these Ukrainian terrorist acts against the civilian population are carried out with the aim of causing panic on Russian territory...
    * * *
    This jackal just begs for drastic measures of influence. Begging for a portion of the final "lyuli".
    Today it has already become clear that it is time to finish what has not yet begun ...
    * * *
    More than six months have passed since the beginning of the investigation into the explosions at the "SP". At UN meetings, Russia's legitimate demands for the provision of investigation data are ignored ...
    Well, they do not like Russians in the world for their intractability and unwillingness to be slaves. Why Russians should love this community. who, like a dog, is afraid of sticks.
    1. -5
      29 March 2023 09: 20
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: ROSS 42
      Russia's legitimate demands are ignored at UN meetings


      "... all countries should be provided with sovereign development, and the choice of any country must be respected. This is also important, even in relation to the financial system. It should be independent, depoliticizedand, of course, it must be based on the financial systems of the world's leading countries.

      And if this is created, and this is not an easy process, very complicated, but it is possible, then the international institutions – they need to be either reformed or re-created – assistance to those countries that need this support.” Vladimir Putin.

      Before the old can be destroyed, the new must be created.

      Work in this direction is underway. On the basis of the BRICS countries (+16 in the queue for joining), a development bank has been created and a common independent currency (“brixik” or something else, the name has not yet been approved) is being created. The platform for equal communication between states is also expanding. The days of the UN are coming to an end. The United States took the most active part in this.
  7. +8
    29 March 2023 05: 52
    Apparently, everything was changed: flight controllers, navigation systems, possibly with satellite adjustments.

    In general, there is no doubt that there are modern controllers, something like STM32 (which are sold in any bakery, not super-productive, it is not needed in such devices) and GPS (which is now shoved everywhere), a fairly simple and cheap revision, so in the presence of "iron" (and even more so the production, first of all, of engines as the most complex and expensive unit), it is worth waiting for the arrival of entire flocks of these "birds" across our territory ... So, dear air defense, do not sleep!
  8. -10
    29 March 2023 06: 17
    Zelensky is alive and well ... The parade is being prepared in May ... Nuclear weapons must be uncovered, no options .. Otherwise, turmoil and the Yugoslav version
    1. +3
      29 March 2023 08: 03
      Quote from Turbuta Dave
      Otherwise, turmoil and the Yugoslav version
      Bye, bye bye, far from distemper
      According to my feelings
      1. 0
        31 March 2023 05: 09
        Quote: aars
        Quote from Turbuta Dave
        Otherwise, turmoil and the Yugoslav version
        Bye, bye bye, far from distemper
        According to my feelings

        I have a photo. Moscow. I am walking with my wife and daughter (we are from Tula) along Gorky Street (now Tverskaya). A street photographer took a picture of us. August 18, 1991. Trouble? Yes you. Yes, it rumbled, somewhere there: Baku, Tbilisi, Vilnius, but then it calmed down. But we have something here, eternal, like the universe, Soviet power. I was born under her, I will die under her. Everything is fine, the sun is shining, cars are driving, people are walking, everything feels fine. And tomorrow, 19, it was the State Emergency Committee, and the 21st State Emergency Committee was covered with a copper basin. And it felt all right.
  9. -4
    29 March 2023 06: 18
    Let the Ministry of Defense draw conclusions that a well-echeloned defense from Ukraine is needed for the time of the NMD and possibly later. The question is still different why they have not yet figured out the location of these swifts and have not bang with Iskanders.
    Shoigu is not in a hurry with bridges, and shells with uranium cores will be delivered right now.
    The United States is completely obsessed, like show them all our weapons, and then they will put everything on the map of their strikes. Despite the fact that our airfields are not at all protected.
    How to build underground shelters for warehouses in Iran.
    Recently, there have been a lot of fires, it can be seen that sabotage groups from Ukraine are operating
    There is a means of combating drones, but apparently there are few of these means. How many air defense schools were cut under Serdyukov?
    Anti-aircraft missile divisions apparently also need to protect electronic warfare equipment,
    1. +1
      29 March 2023 07: 10
      Quote from Alexwar
      The question is still different why they have not yet figured out the location of these swifts and have not bang with Iskanders.
      Bahali so many times that you get tired of counting
      Thousands of missiles and "Shaheds" were flying from the Russian side, seemingly tormenting the infrastructure, but the trouble is that the energy system of Ukrainian cities was restored faster than the stocks of missiles in the Russian army were replenished.
      Iskander is good for something with a nuclear warhead, otherwise it's just one half-ton bomb
      Which makes little sense
      1. -3
        29 March 2023 11: 53
        "otherwise it's just one half-ton bomb
        Which makes little sense"
        however, the ammunition of a volumetric explosion is very personal, but what if a dozen? or no? or odab 1500 is also like nothing, they say. oh yes, we don’t have aviation, but you can’t carry it on foot, heavy, stsuko
    2. +5
      29 March 2023 09: 27
      Quote from Alexwar
      Let the Ministry of Defense draw conclusions that a well-echeloned defense from Ukraine is needed for the time of the NMD and possibly later. The question is still different why they have not yet figured out the location of these swifts and have not bang with Iskanders.
      Shoigu is not in a hurry with bridges, and shells with uranium cores will be delivered right now.
      The United States is completely obsessed, like show them all our weapons, and then they will put everything on the map of their strikes. Despite the fact that our airfields are not at all protected.
      How to build underground shelters for warehouses in Iran.
      Recently, there have been a lot of fires, it can be seen that sabotage groups from Ukraine are operating
      There is a means of combating drones, but apparently there are few of these means. How many air defense schools were cut under Serdyukov?
      Anti-aircraft missile divisions apparently also need to protect electronic warfare equipment,

      Well, the places of basing and use are intact, probably because they are actively moving ... the bridges are intact because our goods go west along them ... regarding Serdyukov - more than 10 years have passed since his departure, during this time everything could have been redone many, many times, maybe enough to blame everything on him? ... and moreover, almost all the successes were brought to us by the army created under him ... it was under him that the T-72B3, BTR-82, “warrior” sets, etc., etc., went into the series ...
    3. +2
      29 March 2023 10: 32
      Shoigu is not in a hurry with bridges, and shells with uranium cores will be delivered right now.

      These uranium cores were given to you! I understand politicians are hanging noodles about this, but here it seems to be a specialized military publication, and I hope knowledgeable people. Have you heard a lot about tank battles in this NWO? Where are these Dubno and Prokhorovka? I think it won't. So let them put those uranium shells of theirs in a known place!
  10. Des
    0
    29 March 2023 06: 22
    Article plus.
    It is surprising that all this remains in warehouses in Ukraine, has been preserved and can be effectively used.
  11. -2
    29 March 2023 06: 31
    So the flights of Swifts and Flights will still continue. Until the devices are completely used up or the tasks set are completed - but they will.

    The flights will continue until the Russian army finally starts to fight "for real" and eliminates the current Ukronazi authorities in Kyiv.
    1. +1
      29 March 2023 07: 22
      And now we have a toy funeral?!
      What nonsense!
      The army has already been worn down, and here are dreams about "for real" ...
      Someone for real
      Need more mobilization
      And society will perceive it badly!
      1. -9
        29 March 2023 07: 39
        Then let's admit defeat, withdraw troops from Ukraine to the borders of 2013, pay reparations to the Nazi regime of Ukraine, surrender Putin and his generals to the ICC, like the Serbs surrendered Milosevic - the people will perceive this better than mobilization, the new year 1917 in this case does not threaten Russia.
        1. +2
          29 March 2023 07: 49
          In Moscow, yes, that's exactly how they will perceive
          No, I think there will be more mobilization
          And if it doesn’t work with her, they will try to freeze it according to the Korean version
        2. +2
          29 March 2023 10: 20
          Then let's admit defeat, withdraw troops from Ukraine to the borders of 2013, pay reparations to the Nazi regime of Ukraine, surrender Putin and his generals to the ICC, like the Serbs surrendered Milosevic - the people will perceive this better than mobilization, the new year 1917 in this case does not threaten Russia.
          And so you sit thinking about it, but in what case will the people live better? Which by the way (the well-being of the people) is the main concern of the state.
        3. -3
          29 March 2023 12: 10
          "Then let's admit defeat, withdraw troops from Ukraine to the borders of 2013, pay reparations to the Nazi regime in Ukraine, hand over Putin's ICC"
          well, Putin will not be handed over, probably laughing , and the rest, perhaps, are already being prepared. not the people, of course, but special people in the government, the Duma, the Federation Council
          "how the Serbs surrendered Milosevic"
          Milosevic was surrendered not by the Serbs, but by their government. those special people
      2. -4
        29 March 2023 12: 04
        "And now we have a toy funeral?!
        What nonsense!"
        the funeral is real. toy war. the real one - "haven't started yet"
    2. +2
      29 March 2023 07: 25
      The Russian army is still forbidden even to hit the bridges. By whom? Apparently Abramovich.
      1. -2
        29 March 2023 07: 43
        Og
        And our generals are stupid
        They would be on the offensive, but they are scratching one place
        Like
        No - the generals are not stupid!
        And officers with normal ambitions ...
        And ready for real
        And they were not taught differently
        And if they don’t go on the offensive, there are reasons for that - that the enemy is strong and steadfast, at least
    3. -11
      29 March 2023 07: 36
      The oligarchs do not allow the leadership of the Russian Federation to fight for real.
      Therefore, dust particles are blown off Zelensky, Zaluzhny, deputies of the Verkhovna Zrada of Ukraine.
      1. 0
        29 March 2023 07: 45
        No tanks left
        Looks like they didn’t fight, they played toys, we fooled
        What a complete crap...
      2. +8
        29 March 2023 10: 21
        What do you mean by "real war"? What are we not doing now, what could we do? Just don't talk about nuclear weapons, not in kindergarten.
      3. +1
        29 March 2023 11: 06
        if someone allows or forbids "management" then they are this leadership, and not clowns smiling or shaking their fists from the stands.
    4. +4
      29 March 2023 10: 49
      What needs to happen to get started? What is missing now? Do they give out blank cartridges or fuel of the wrong brand? What do you mean by "for real"?
  12. -1
    29 March 2023 06: 38
    Oh, these, allies, and, brotherly peoples, How much more grief and suffering they will bring us ...
  13. +2
    29 March 2023 07: 03
    To Moscow? No, why? So far, everything is clear with the capital. There is nothing to do there.
    From the series "Kyiv in three days"...
    Absolutely not the fact that there is nothing to do
    Just until the move came to her
  14. +1
    29 March 2023 07: 15
    possibly with satellite adjustments.
    Not possible but sure
    And this system is basic.
    Inertial only on signal loss
  15. -9
    29 March 2023 07: 35
    Russia will not be able to protect all the important objects in the front line, at least this will require the creation of a single radar field and an increase in the number of aircraft that will fight UAVs.
    this is the price for focal, leaky air defense of the Russian Federation instead of continuous air defense of the USSR.
  16. +3
    29 March 2023 08: 07
    "So the flights of Swifts and Flights will still continue"
    Agree. Moreover, our government does not interfere with them. Vice versa! Allows you to supply any weapon. Time will pass and Putin will respond and curse, just like now about the hunchback and ebn.
  17. +2
    29 March 2023 08: 07
    We take as an example the last blow to Kireevsk, Tula region. Seven houses were damaged and three people were injured. Meaning? None. At first sight.
    So he was shot down ... he flew, obviously not to Kireevsk, but further, to the north
    1. 0
      29 March 2023 20: 42
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      We take as an example the last blow to Kireevsk, Tula region. Seven houses were damaged and three people were injured. Meaning? None. At first sight.
      So he was shot down ... he flew, obviously not to Kireevsk, but further, to the north
      Конечно.
  18. -1
    29 March 2023 08: 08
    I completely agree with the author. But there is no hope for leadership, in terms of preparing for threats looming from the West. Not at all. Until young, smart and daring commanders and bosses come to the leadership, we will continue to have a pale appearance and pasta gait. And of course, until we figure out who doesn’t want to destroy (to dust) the infrastructure of the enemy.
    1. -1
      29 March 2023 10: 19
      Until young, smart and daring commanders and bosses come to the leadership, we will continue to have a pale appearance and pasta gait.


      They won't come, capitalism won't allow them.
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  20. -9
    29 March 2023 08: 14
    It's time to arrange a blockade of the state 404.
    Destroy bridges and roads from Poland, Romania and Hungary. Finally close the issue of the grain deal.
    If we cannot take Odessa, then at least the port must be wiped off the face of the earth.
    You can reach the bridges with such missiles as Satan with the replacement of the warhead (I hope not everyone saw it).
    Well, destroy the port of Odessa with a massive air raid with a preliminary reloading of anti-missile defense systems by UAVs and missiles, and setting up our electronic warfare.

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is playing good and our military is dying. It looks like they are waiting for the civilian population of our cities to begin to die under the strikes of missiles and drones.
    And foreign tanks, armored personnel carriers, armored vehicles, ammunition keep coming.

    There, you see, Türkiye will hand over its naval drones with missiles and get some sleep.
    1. +3
      29 March 2023 10: 52
      Please remind where Satan was produced and served by whom.
  21. -5
    29 March 2023 08: 42
    Earlier it was written that Borya Johnson almost provided several warheads, did not have time to transfer, flew off his chair. And who will give a guarantee that Sunnak has not already driven a few pieces on the sly? They will scout the route, and throw a couple of three pieces. Ours will respond accordingly. And the West needs it. So that enmity is already enmity, and in place of the ruins a real ruin. And then smolder for half a century.
    1. 0
      29 March 2023 20: 43
      Quote: ZAV69
      It used to be written that Borya Johnson almost provided several warheads, did not have time to convey, flew off the chair. And who will guarantee that Sunnak has not already fitted a few pieces on the sly ? They will scout the route, and throw a couple of three pieces. Ours will respond accordingly. And the West needs it. So that enmity is already enmity, and in place of the ruins a real ruin. And then smolder for half a century.
      What nonsense ?!
  22. -2
    29 March 2023 08: 52
    They beat, beat and will beat with everything they can and cannot. We have to live with this as long as the territory of the former Ukraine with this population exists, as long as the conflict is beneficial to the Anglo-Saxons, or until the latter receive their bread. I think they will even hit the Far East with drones, launch them from ships under charter, then make a surprised salobalo (from the word slurped). It’s not so much a military effect, it’s more aimed at organizing chaos in society, like, they can’t protect us, down with us. Also these calls through vatsap with luring money from public services, banks. I was also counting on nervousness. They called me yesterday via vatsap, the avatar - public services, the number from which they called Moroccan, a voice with a slight taras accent. They no longer even hide it, the main thing is chaos in society. I answer them right away, I learned all the tourist routes to the genitals and not only and immediately point them there. In short, Goebels is jealous of them if he had such a resource.
  23. -4
    29 March 2023 09: 01
    The ass must be torn off in the General Staff and, having understood it, convey the problem to the Kremlin that it is necessary to change the strategy of strikes on the territory of Ukraine.
  24. -5
    29 March 2023 09: 48
    the meaning of their sending is not clear. Officially, the Ukrainians do not recognize such attacks (the West does not approve of attacks on the territory of the Russian Federation). The only sense is seen in inflating the effect of internal propaganda for the Ukrainian population itself.
    downstairs, by the way, some tsipsoshniks breed a snowstorm
    1. 0
      29 March 2023 12: 15
      "The only sense is seen in inflating the effect of internal propaganda for the Ukrainian population itself"
      the only point is to work out a safe route
  25. 0
    29 March 2023 10: 25
    Thousands of rockets and "Shaheds" were flying from the Russian side, seemingly tormenting the infrastructure, but the trouble is that the energy system of Ukrainian cities was restored faster than the reserves of missiles in the Russian army were replenished
    Does the author really think that spending CR on transformers was pointless? Now experts will come to the comments and explain how it was all useful.
    1. -5
      29 March 2023 12: 18
      "Does the author really think that spending CR on transformers was pointless?"
      and what benefit did it bring? if I had worked with them in Artyomovsk, Marinka, Avdeevka, they would have taken these villages a long time ago!
  26. +2
    29 March 2023 10: 27
    Another option is that harassing attacks will force you to defend objects by taking away air defense systems from the positions where they are now. Those. take away air defense, making it less effective.
  27. +2
    29 March 2023 10: 57
    The To 141 is a large, conspicuous cruise missile that does not fly at the lowest altitude.
    If such a goal is difficult, then excuse me, what will happen if real cruise missiles fly?
    The resumption of production of these aircraft is absolutely unbelievable.
  28. +5
    29 March 2023 10: 57
    Quote: Boris55
    consider you a guide

    Of course, who else. In Ukraine, Yandex maps do not work. And they don't have Google. I'm silent about the data from American satellites.
    This is some kind of psychiatry, just don’t jump out of the window screaming cissos are coming. And the certainty that it was Obama who made a mess in your porch, as I understand it, nothing can shake at all - after all, nonsense differs from an erroneous judgment, it cannot be influenced by any logical arguments.
  29. -1
    29 March 2023 11: 09
    Interestingly, did anyone check the fall sites with a dosimeter?
  30. +1
    29 March 2023 11: 29
    The flight towards Zagreb may have been a test flight. Checking the updated guidance system and air defense response.
  31. +1
    29 March 2023 11: 50
    We must wait for the shelling of the parade on May 9th. It's all going to this.
  32. +1
    29 March 2023 12: 23
    we can again find ourselves in the position of reacting and catching up.

    How can we be in a different position?
    It is necessary to restore feedback for the "leaders", but they will not agree to this.
    The system cannot be reformed from within, for this it is necessary to create alternative structures, but this also requires resources...
  33. 0
    29 March 2023 13: 50
    Roman, I liked your analysis: in general, everything is correct, but in detail
    There was infa that there were more than 100 "swifts" at the "Lvov Aircraft Repair Plant", Kyiv Vinnitsa, there were buildings, but how many ?. I think only 150, in various conditions.
    2) according to the media: last summer, they developed: an improved model of "Geranium". You can set up production anywhere. There would be a desire and finances, and they have it.
    We have on "Geran": low-grade Iranian "rumblers", and they are quite capable of installing better engines from: Poland, Germany, the Czech Republic, the same Hungary or the USA. Here you have a new long-range UAV of our own production.
    With "electronics" there will be no problems AT ALL. If, in Russia, together with China, they have already established the production of modern microchips, Polonsky had materials, + Bloomberg claims that the import of modern electronics in the Russian Federation has reached the level of 2000, and Bloomberg is a serious "office".
    Recently, one of our young ladies said that they were supplied with all the equipment: Taiwan and South Korea. We are under sanctions and we will not experience difficulties, but they do
  34. -2
    29 March 2023 13: 58
    It is not at all a fact that the 404th will dare to launch a massive salvo. The answer may be for the government quarter in Kyiv and critical infrastructure. And they take it into account. I believe that they shoot everything they can, they just don’t have much, it’s a pity to shoot the rest. But if they agree on a mass supply with the striped ones (China and Israel will not), then there will be a volley. Even under fear of retaliation. But the restoration of production - this is unlikely to succeed. Calibration has not been cancelled.
  35. 0
    29 March 2023 14: 05
    Comrades, yesterday in the "Reporter" there was an article by Marzhiretsky, just on the topic: how to deal with UAVs? I recommend you take a look.
  36. 0
    29 March 2023 16: 36
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    to resume the production of UAVs at the Kharkov Aviation Plant
    Erase it to dust! For some reason it hasn't been done yet!

    And you first find out who its shareholders are. It may very well be that the ears of the Russian oligarchs will come out. And their gesheft touch nzzzzyayayaya.
    1. KCA
      0
      30 March 2023 13: 55
      Name at least one Russian oligarch who can really influence Putin, as long as he turns on the former, i.e. around the finger
  37. +2
    29 March 2023 17: 01
    I believe that the main task of such launches is to force the Russian army to disperse the air defense forces as much as possible, to prevent their concentration in the zone of the proposed strike.
  38. 0
    29 March 2023 17: 07
    Skomorokhov's article is balanced and logical. Apparently, he conducted RNO regarding the usual "boss, everything is lost!"
  39. -1
    29 March 2023 17: 50
    All the documentation could easily have been preserved, which means it is quite possible to release new Swifts

    Not even funny. In general, the author dumped everything in a heap: completely different in design, purpose and use of drones.
  40. -2
    29 March 2023 22: 00
    “Of course, it is somewhat sad that there are no statements from Ukraine regarding “weapons of retaliation”, “weapons of the last blow” and stuff like that. Usually this indicates that things are going worse than ever ”(c). The author apparently did not read a recent article on VO about the Russian miracle weapon based on "new physical principles."
  41. 0
    30 March 2023 19: 02
    Kharkov Aviation Plant (KhAZ) is located two hundred kilometers from the border with Russia. To raze the assembly shops of KhAZ to the ground is a couple of trifles. And in general, it's time to cut off the Kharkiv region from the Bandera Ukraine. The situation calls for...
    1. Eug
      0
      April 7 2023 11: 04
      What are a couple of hundred kilometers? How long I live (or rather, I lived - 57 years)) in Kharkov, I always thought that from Kharkov to Belgorod 80 km.
  42. -1
    30 March 2023 22: 42
    In the holes identified by the UAV, cruise missiles with atomic charges may well fly.
  43. -1
    31 March 2023 04: 37
    Question to the author. The logic of probing and hitting unimportant objects suggests that they were aiming at Kireevsk and hit Kireevsk. And I read in the press that our air defense, i.e. Apparently, as you explained, the 108th Air Defense Missile Regiment, God bless him, either shot down or damaged the navigation system, that he fell and accidentally in Kireevsk. And he flew maybe to Novomoskovsk, maybe to Tula. I'm a Tula, the question is not idle. So they shot down, or where did he fly, did he fly there?
  44. 0
    31 March 2023 17: 01
    Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Kharkov Aviation Plant (KhAZ) is located two hundred kilometers from the border with Russia. To raze the assembly shops of KhAZ to the ground is a couple of trifles. And in general, it's time to cut off the Kharkiv region from the Bandera Ukraine. The situation calls for...

    Are you writing from a trench?
  45. 0
    31 March 2023 17: 02
    Quote: Alt22
    In the holes identified by the UAV, cruise missiles with atomic charges may well fly.

    From depleted uranium?
  46. 0
    April 2 2023 16: 32
    They are testing our air defense / missile defense system for the subsequent NATO disarming strike with 20 or 30 thousand missiles in one day
  47. Eug
    0
    April 6 2023 21: 07
    "How many more Swift flights will there be 7"
    A good pun on UAV names, if "flight" is in quotation marks and capitalized.
    "... the birthplace of the Tu-141 Swift is the city of Kharkov. Yes, in the shops of the Kharkov Aviation Plant they created and assembled a very good device for those times."
    I will say more - in the workshop of the Kharkov Aviation Plant, until 2002, the KR X-55 was assembled. So they are potential "guests" .....
  48. 0
    2 May 2023 01: 04
    If we chew snot, so be it. In the event that the outskirts shy away at our strategic objects (although there were already the Crimean bridge and the airfield with strategists), it is necessary to shy away at NATO bases. If NATO wants a nuclear apocalypse, let it be a nuclear apocalypse.