A little about the transfer of uranium shells to Ukraine: the British simply don’t have others

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A little about the transfer of uranium shells to Ukraine: the British simply don’t have others

To be honest, I don’t even feel like starting a conversation with words about the next “red lines” that the West calmly steps over and over again, defiantly spitting on them. Nevertheless news now they don’t indulge in good information: the other day it turned out that the British government decided to supply the supplies supplied to Ukraine Tanks "Challenger 2" with feathered armor-piercing sub-caliber projectiles made of alloys based on depleted uranium.

There was a lot of hype around this event. At the same time, the situation is particularly piquant due to the fact that many, in principle, do not distinguish uranium shells from nuclear weapons - this point of view sometimes even comes across in the media. But we will not exaggerate the topic of environmental pollution and harm to health, since there are a lot of publications without this. Here it is more interesting that the British simply do not have other more or less powerful ammunition.



Why is he in the shells?


First of all, it is worth noting that tank armor-piercing shells based on uranium alloys are far from the prerogative of Western countries, which, based on some “evil” impulses, deliberately make ammunition from albeit not very radioactive, but toxic material in order to inflict more damage, polluting large areas with its debris and dust.

They were made in the USSR, and now they are made in Russia. Offhand, as an example, we can cite the Soviet "Nadfil" and "Vanty", as well as the already Russian "Lead-1". Another thing is that for all the time our country has not applied them anywhere, but this is a completely different topic.

Uranium 3BM32 "Vant"
Uranium 3BM32 "Vant"

Shot of separate loading with a projectile 3BM60 "Lead-2" - a tungsten analogue of the uranium "Lead-1"
Shot of separate loading with a projectile 3BM60 "Lead-2" - a tungsten analogue of the uranium "Lead-1"

But why is he in shells?

The fact is that depleted uranium is a by-product of the enrichment of uranium used as nuclear fuel for nuclear power plants and one of the components of nuclear weapons. And, I must say, this by-product is quite massive and relatively cheap, especially when compared with tungsten - so far the only competitor of depleted uranium in "shell building".

However, cheapness is far from the most important determining factor that guided pundits from different countries when choosing material for shells.

Here, the characteristics of ammunition made from uranium come to the fore. That is, roughly speaking, such a projectile pierces a greater thickness of armor than its tungsten counterpart - the difference in pierced millimeters can be up to 10 percent or more, which is not so small. At the same time, the density of depleted uranium is lower than that of tungsten.

Such results are achieved due to the specific physical and chemical properties of uranium alloys: at the moment of impact on the armor and subsequent penetration, the armor-piercing core “self-sharpenes”, forming a more favorable contact spot for the penetration process of the warhead with the barrier.

And, of course, you should not forget about the exothermic effect: when reacting with tank armor, depleted uranium releases a large amount of heat, which is one of the significant damaging factors for shells of this class.

The result is a fairly effective and at the same time cheap alternative to tungsten. True, they were not in a hurry to distribute them to the right and left.

They will create a precedent - there is nothing more to shoot with


It is noteworthy that armor-piercing shells made of uranium alloys have not yet received any intelligible and rigid classification that strictly limits their use. Of course, talk that this is an extremely toxic and generally dangerous thing often pops up at different levels, including the UN. But so that they firmly say to ban and destroy - no.

One way or another, export restrictions on uranium in ammunition among European brothers have existed until now not only on paper. Although even the United States is very cautious in this regard. What can we say about the UK, which, having delivered its Challenger 2 tanks to Oman, did not transfer a single depleted uranium shell to the ally, offering only tungsten modifications.

But in our case, the precedent turns out to be unique: Ukraine is neither a member of NATO, nor at least of the EU, but it will receive the coveted shells in excess - it would be right for the Omanis to be offended. However, the reasons for such an act on the part of Britain are very banal.

Here you need to look at the Challenger 2 ammunition itself: it contains only feathered sub-caliber shells from shells that can fight modern tank armor. There are no cumulative munitions, and armor-piercing high-explosive ones cannot boast of particularly high efficiency.

The list of finned tungsten alloy sub-caliber projectiles that the British could offer to their Ukrainian partners is limited exclusively to the L23A1 series, which dates back to the 80s. Their armor penetration did not fully correspond to the performance of even Soviet peers in the face of "Mango" and amounted to approximately 425 mm of homogeneous steel armor from a distance of one kilometer. This is not enough to defeat modern Russian tanks such as T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90 modifications in the frontal projection. Although it must be confessed: even an ordinary Soviet T-72B without dynamic protection will become a problem. Therefore, packing this ammunition as a dowry for Challenger 2, as they say, is only a disgrace.

Feathered sub-caliber projectile L28A1 made of tungsten alloy

Feathered sub-caliber projectile L28A1 made of tungsten alloy

Yes, the nomenclature formally includes more recent shells of the L28 series, which are also made of tungsten, but much more biting than their counterparts described above. But they were made with a focus on export and are not available in sufficient quantities in warehouses. Consequently, the British defense industry is not able to produce and put them on a silver platter in a short period of time. Although the Germans, for example, restored the production line to replenish the ammunition of the Gepard anti-aircraft self-propelled guns given to Ukraine. But in Britain there is a situation where there is simply no alternative to depleted uranium.

Tungsten L23A1 on the left and uranium L26A1 on the right
Tungsten L23A1 on the left and uranium L26A1 on the right

Shells made of this material for the cannon of a British tank are already more serious. There are two of them in service: L26A1 (CHARM 1) and L27A1 (CHARM 3).

The first, according to data from various sources, is on average capable of penetrating steel armor up to 530 millimeters thick from one kilometer, which is already a fairly significant threat to our tanks that are not equipped with dynamic protection, or have a body kit in the form of hinged “reactive armor” of the “ Contact".

As for the second in the face of the L27A1, the situation there is even more serious: its armor penetration significantly exceeds that of its younger brother and, according to some reports, can reach up to 625 millimeters from the same distance. At the same time, methods of countering dynamic protection were introduced into the design of the active part of the projectile, which makes it the most dangerous "British" on future battlefields in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbspecial military operation.

British uranium sub-caliber projectile L27A1
British uranium sub-caliber projectile L27A1

Which of these two shells will still go in batches to Ukraine is still a big question. But something tells me it will be L27A1.

Conclusions


From our side, first of all, it is worth thinking not about the danger of uranium - the Ukrainians will still be given ammunition, no matter how much you think about it. But it is imperative to take care of a well-thought-out and echeloned anti-tank defense in the light of the upcoming "counterattack".

Yes, tank battles in the special operation zone are not a frequent occurrence, but this possibility cannot be overlooked. Still, the Challenger 2 is, without any doubt, a serious enemy, and the powerful shells in its ammunition load, expanding the anti-tank capabilities of the vehicle to hitherto unseen values ​​for armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only reinforce this seriousness. So a good "British" is a burning "British".

But it is still necessary to say about uranium pollution.

Of course, Ukraine is not Iraq or Yugoslavia, which were bombarded with toxic projectiles with great bounty. Therefore, all that a few British tanks can give is local areas of pollution, which are unlikely to be able to affect the environment in a total way. However, this does not negate the fact that this can affect the health of our fighters in the worst possible way.

The conclusion here is simple: if the enemy decided to use such ammunition against us, there is every right to use such ammunition in response. Fortunately, we have enough of them in our warehouses, and convenient targets in the form of new Western equipment, for which increased armor penetration will come in handy, will soon appear.
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  1. +8
    24 March 2023 05: 07
    The lines are red, pink and other lamentations, but there is no sense. Enemies spat on the lines, snakes of all colors and shades.
    It's time to understand the British and conscience are little compatible things.
    In place of lines with crayons, a kirdyk of a pipeline from the country of Norway to Europa and whatever is fun near the island would be much more beautiful.
    1. -1
      April 23 2023 09: 08
      The conclusion here is simple: if the enemy decided to use such ammunition against us, there is every right to use such ammunition in response.


      Especially in the liberated territories, and then include this territory in Russia?
      The author has a brilliant idea.
  2. +4
    24 March 2023 05: 15
    Dirty British uranium must be answered with pure Russian polonium! And then they accused it completely undeservedly, it would be necessary to deserve it!
    And so, I think that the full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells of the Briton are much more dangerous for our soldiers than crowbars, even if they are uranium.
    1. +4
      24 March 2023 05: 20
      And so, I think that the full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells of the Briton are much more dangerous for our soldiers than crowbars, even if they are uranium.

      He doesn't have those. Only high-explosive armor-piercing. This, by the way, will increase the consumption of sub-caliber shells: in order to split the wall of a powerful fortification, the crew needs to make a hole with a sub-caliber shell and then break it with BFS.

      Whether the British will throw old tungsten shells for this or have to spend uranium on it is a question. But in the latter option, both consumption and pollution will increase.
      1. +1
        24 March 2023 05: 46
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        He doesn't have those. Only high-explosive armor-piercing.

        Neither I nor you guessed right the first time. Because there are non-shattering (so it is written - HESH probably means) high-explosive. But I did not guess less, because this projectile is full-bodied and with very good filling of explosives.


        Quote: Eduard Perov
        to break the wall of a powerful fortification
        On our side, there are no such fortifications, and for an armor-piercing high-explosive, most likely some kind of semi-basement is not a problem.
        1. +3
          24 March 2023 05: 54
          Neither I nor you guessed right the first time. Because there are non-shattering (so it is written - HESH probably means) high-explosive.

          This is the armor-piercing high-explosive, one of the functions of which is to hit the crews and internal equipment of enemy tanks due to fragments from the armor and other factors of undermining the plastic explosive on the armor.

          This is not the best remedy for thick walls, even houses. The crews of "Leopards 1" (there are the same shells) were also ordered to make holes in the walls with sub-caliber ones and then break them with BFSs.
          1. -1
            24 March 2023 06: 06
            Quote: Eduard Perov
            This is the armor-piercing high-explosive, one of the functions of which is to hit the crews and internal equipment of enemy tanks due to fragments from the armor and other factors of undermining the plastic explosive on the armor.
            And in your opinion, a projectile designed to deform tank armor will not overpower the brickwork of a house?

            Quote: Eduard Perov
            This is not the best remedy for thick walls, even houses. The crews of "Leopards 1" (there are the same shells) were also ordered to make holes in the walls with sub-caliber ones and then break them with BFSs.
            Well, as it were, 105 mm and 120 mm shells differ very much in mass and power. And in the ammunition load of the L7 there were quite a lot of HE shells.
            1. +1
              24 March 2023 06: 17
              in your opinion, a projectile designed to deform tank armor will not overpower the brickwork of a house?

              A couple of bricks thick - quite. But breaking something much more substantial with them is sometimes too difficult. Especially fortifications with thick concrete walls. There, even Soviet panel houses can offer too much resistance.

              As for the ammunition load, a lot has been done to the 105-mm gun. Only the fact remains: even a 120-mm BFS is not the most useful thing for breaking through fortifications and buildings.
              1. +1
                24 March 2023 07: 12
                Quote: Eduard Perov
                A couple of bricks thick - quite.
                Is this some kind of joke? The effectiveness of high-explosive armor-piercing against steel armor is estimated at 1,3 of the caliber. 120 mm of armor is by any means stronger than 75 cm of brick.
                Quote: Eduard Perov
                Especially fortifications with thick concrete walls. There, even Soviet panel houses can offer too much resistance.
                So we need concrete breakers, and not HE shells. That's just in the ammunition of Western sapper tanks there are HESHIs
                The Royal Ordnance L9 is a British short barreled 165 mm cannon used for military vehicles, in particular for destroying defensive structures. ... The gun is capable of firing a high-explosive projectile High Explosive Squash Head (HESH) weighing 64 pounds (29 kg) at a distance of up to 2400 m (2600 yards). ... The main purpose of the weapon is to clear obstacles such as walls, fences, roadblocks or bunkers, and as well as destruction of buildings.


                Quote: Eduard Perov
                Only the fact remains: even a 120-mm BFS is not the most useful thing for breaking through fortifications and buildings.
                Compared to an OF of the same caliber, it's normal.
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                2. +1
                  24 March 2023 17: 10
                  Is this some kind of joke? The effectiveness of high-explosive armor-piercing against steel armor is estimated at 1,3 of the caliber. 120 mm of armor is by any means stronger than 75 cm of brick.

                  Do not exaggerate, especially about armor - any screen or some object on the armor will simply bring all the vaunted power of the BFS to zero - there are a lot of reports on the net. Brick walls of houses, and concrete ones of not the greatest thickness, are convenient targets for BFS. Simply because they can break through them and inflict maximum damage on the enemy. But with thick walls, problems arise, since the only damaging factor is the fragments from the inside of the wall, which fly off in a relatively small area when the BFS is detonated from the outside. I'll write below.

                  So we need concrete breakers, and not HE shells.

                  The correct conclusion, and not BF shells. For powerful fortifications - either concrete breakers or other multifunctional type shells developed in the West or in Israel.

                  That's just in the ammunition of Western sapper tanks there are HESHIs

                  And what should be there? BFSs make excellent holes in thin walls, concrete fences and, as your quote says, barriers and so on. At the same time, they do not create an extremely dangerous fragmentation field, which can mow down their own manpower. Considering the gigantic caliber of an engineering tank gun, a hole in a relatively thin wall can be made such that even the tank itself will drive.

                  OFS is not always able to do this - the design does not allow.

                  Compared to an OF of the same caliber, it's normal.

                  Not normal. Patent data for domestic BFS for fighting in urban areas under the number RU 192661 U1. The lack of existing "hashes" is described.

                  When the compression shock wave reaches the rear side of the barrier, a rarefaction wave arises that propagates in the opposite direction. Because barriers are made of structural materials, such as concrete and the like, which work well in compression, but poorly in tension, then, under the action of a rarefaction wave, tension is created and a spall occurs from the back of the barrier, which strikes the internal space of the fortification with fragments. With a small thickness of the barrier, a round through hole is formed, the diameter of which is approximately equal to the diameter of the contact patch between the warhead and the barrier.

                  However, in this device there is a low efficiency of the explosive charge. The spall area on the rear side of the barrier or the area of ​​the through hole in the case of a small barrier width is approximately equal to the area of ​​the contact patch between the warhead and the barrier, because the shock wave front in this device can be considered flat


                  Both that, and another - with the accompanying damaging factors for the manpower behind the wall. But in the case of firing at thick walls, the barrier effect on manpower may be insufficient, especially if the task is to partially collapse the structure or completely, since the enemy is moving in the same apartment buildings and there is simply no other way out. That is why I mentioned Soviet-built houses.

                  As a matter of fact, it is quite clear why there were recommendations to open a thick wall with sub-caliber shells, and then finish it off with BFS - in order to inflict maximum damage to the enemy with the energy of the explosion and accompanying fragments, or destroy the fortification (obstacle).

                  That's all I had in mind when I spoke about the not the highest effectiveness of the BFS against fortifications and thick walls in particular, without comparison with any other high-explosive projectiles.
                  1. -1
                    25 March 2023 08: 52
                    Quote: Eduard Perov
                    Brick walls of houses, and concrete ones of not the greatest thickness, are convenient targets for BFS. Simply because they can break through them and inflict maximum damage on the enemy.
                    Wait a minute - and you yourself pointed out the lower efficiency of the BFS compared to the OFS when acting on structures!
                    Quote: Eduard Perov
                    This is not the best remedy for thick walls, even houses.

                    Quote: Eduard Perov
                    Only high-explosive armor-piercing. This, by the way, will increase the consumption of sub-caliber shells: in order to split the wall of a powerful fortification

                    And challenged my claim:

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    And so, I think that the full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells of the Briton are much more dangerous for our soldiers than crowbars, even if they are uranium.

                    Are you going to dispute it now?
                    1. 0
                      26 March 2023 02: 06
                      Wait a minute - and you yourself pointed out the lower efficiency of the BFS compared to the OFS when acting on structures!

                      It is hard when in a dispute they begin to invent and attribute to the opponent non-existent and never expressed arguments. wassat
                      But the essence of my statements did not change: the maximum possible barrier effect of the BFS will only be on relatively thin walls, since they can break through them. And that is the maximum within its design. Against thick ones, they are ineffective, therefore, with a high degree of probability, the consumption of sub-caliber shells will increase in order to crack thick walls. But in general, according to the conclusions you attribute, you are right: having a full-fledged high-explosive fragmentation projectile in the ammo is better than BFS, which have no anti-personnel capabilities.

                      I'm not talking about the fact that with your precious Challenger-2 BFSs, with guidance on a thermal imaging sight, it loses the ability to shoot normally at a distance of more than 1800-1900 meters. Due to the draconian requirements for a reduced initial speed of the BFS, in order for it to work effectively, the barrel of the gun with the teplok installed on it must be raised so high that at distances of more than 1800-1900 meters the target simply goes below the aiming mark or is completely hidden from the field of view of the sight .

                      And challenged my claim:

                      How can you dispute something that doesn't exist? You write that Briton's full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells are much more dangerous than crowbars. But the Briton does not have full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells. hi
                      1. 0
                        27 March 2023 09: 04
                        the barrel of the gun with the heat gun mounted on it must be raised so high that at distances of more than 1800-1900 meters the target simply goes below the aiming mark or is completely hidden from the field of view of the sight.

                        That is, the fact that in TOGS 2 both the daytime and thermal imaging channels are combined and the fact that the defeat of HESH shells is documented at ranges of 4,5 km and beyond does not bother you? What not to read here.
                      2. 0
                        28 March 2023 04: 27
                        That is, the fact that in TOGS 2 both the daytime and thermal imaging channels are combined and the fact that the defeat of HESH shells is documented at ranges of 4,5 km and beyond does not bother you?

                        Indeed, what only fantastic statements can not be read here. Maybe you can explain to me how the optics and the "Chelli-2" teplok are combined in such a way that the gunner, looking into the teplok, sees the aiming mark of the optics? And how does it work at night?

                        You would have to go somewhere other than Wikipedia, but you won’t go. It is impossible to ensure normal shooting with accurate fine-tuning through the gunner's heat gun at long distances. Maximum - according to the coordinates calculated by the FCS, hit "blindly" exclusively on a stationary target.
                      3. 0
                        27 March 2023 11: 08
                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        It is hard when in a dispute they begin to invent and attribute to the opponent non-existent and never expressed arguments.

                        Unsuccessfully brought, I admit, but there is such an argument from you:
                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Compared to an OF of the same caliber, it's normal.
                        Not normal. Patent data for a domestic BFS for fighting in urban areas under the number RU 192661 U1. The lack of existing "hashes" is described.

                        And yes, the fragment you cited from the description of the patent does not confirm the lower efficiency of the BFS compared to the OFS, but is intended to explain the essence of the improvement.

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        And that is the maximum within its design. Against thick ones, they are ineffective, therefore, with a high degree of probability, the consumption of sub-caliber shells will increase in order to crack thick walls.
                        Why such a conclusion? Since you didn’t read the info about 165 mm shells?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The main purpose of the weapon is to clear obstacles such as walls, fences, roadblocks or bunkers, as well as the destruction of buildings.


                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        But in general, according to the conclusions you attribute, you are right: having a full-fledged high-explosive fragmentation projectile in the ammo is better than BFS, which have no anti-personnel capabilities.
                        Now you attribute your conclusion to me, and even based on false information. I compared BOPS and BFS in terms of danger to infantry (fighters).

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        I'm not talking about the fact that with your precious Challenger-2 BFSs, with guidance on a thermal imaging sight, it loses the ability to shoot normally at a distance of more than 1800-1900 meters. Due to the draconian requirements for a reduced initial speed of the BFS, in order for it to work effectively, the barrel of the gun with the teplok installed on it must be raised so high that at distances of more than 1800-1900 meters the target simply goes below the aiming mark or is completely hidden from the field of view of the sight .
                        Well, I don’t worry about it, there is, well, there is, you just have to take it into account, but I don’t imagine that they are a little more dangerous than zucchini. And your argument is ridiculous, because a) 800 m / s is not a draconian requirement, b) Ch-2 sights are not limited to a thermal imager and the same trench is not particularly visible in it, c) such distances are redundant for combat in a building, and d) C 2007, two thermal imagers became available, the second for the commander from the French MBT Leclerc, as well as the entire sight of the commander.

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        You write that Briton's full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells are much more dangerous than crowbars. But the Briton does not have full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells.
                        Already in the second comment, I shifted the emphasis on the fullness of filling the explosives. And by the way, when operating on field fortifications, explosiveness is much more important than fragmentation.
                        In general, by fullness, I meant the greater effectiveness of a 120 mm English projectile against American "universal", flawed in my opinion, cumulatives.
                      4. 0
                        27 March 2023 11: 51
                        800 m/s is not a draconian requirement

                        Either 670 or 690 for the British projectile, I don’t remember exactly
                      5. 0
                        27 March 2023 14: 18
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Either 670 or 690 for the British projectile, I don’t remember exactly

                        Indeed ... So it also has a separate charge? Basically a perversion.
                      6. 0
                        27 March 2023 14: 41
                        So it also has a separate charge?

                        Same as for smoke
                      7. 0
                        28 March 2023 04: 48
                        Unsuccessfully brought, I admit, but there is such an argument from you:

                        You said that compared to the OFS, it's normal. Where is "normal"? None of the listed means has total effectiveness against heavy fortifications, as I already spoke about when I wrote about concrete breakers and special shells.

                        And yes, the fragment you cited from the description of the patent does not confirm the lower efficiency of the BFS compared to the OFS, but is intended to explain the essence of the improvement.

                        From my account (a la my mouth) not a single word was heard regarding the superiority of the OFS over the BFS in the fight against fortifications. Find at least one word, empty talk comes out. The patent shows the shortcomings of the existing BFS designs with regards to the armor action.

                        Now you attribute your conclusion to me, and even based on false information. I compared BOPS and BFS in terms of danger to infantry (fighters).

                        Are you texting me when you're drunk? I don't even know how to comment on such nonsense.

                        And your argument is ridiculous, because a) 800 m / s is not a draconian requirement

                        Who is laughing now is another huge question.

                        Ch-2 sights are not limited to a thermal imager, and the same trench is not particularly visible in it

                        Of course, at night we will shoot through the optics. In the heat, you still can't see it. laughing

                        for a battle in a building, such distances are redundant

                        The only sane thought in the whole stream of consciousness for several days. Only shells are required not only in buildings, but also in the field. How, at distances of 2 or more kilometers, will this misunderstanding in the face of the BFS against the infantry and, if it turns up, the equipment, be aimed through the gunner’s teplok, is a gigantic question. But this is another matter, which only emphasizes the dubious effectiveness of the BFS in the "Chelli-2", but does not relate to the essence of the issue.

                        Since 2007, two thermal imagers have become available, the second for the commander from the French MBT Leclerc, as well as the entire sight of the commander

                        Is it true? And all the problems of normal aiming through the gunner's teplok were solved at once? Write this to the British tankers who are waiting for "Chelli-3", in which this deep "bug" was fixed.

                        In general, by fullness, I meant the greater effectiveness of a 120 mm English projectile against American "universal", flawed in my opinion, cumulatives.

                        At first you compared BFS with OBPS, now with HEAT shells. The weekend ended two days ago, but the dancing continues?
                      8. -1
                        28 March 2023 06: 38
                        And by the way, when operating on field fortifications, explosiveness is much more important than fragmentation

                        Yes? Did you forget penetration?

                        Also, how does this explosiveness help against thick fortification walls? Will the plaster with a layer of concrete be beaten off from the inside? It will never reach you that the use of BFS is often associated with the use of sub-caliber shells. Already tired of repeating the same thing.
                      9. 0
                        28 March 2023 06: 59
                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Also, how does this explosiveness help against thick fortification walls? Will the plaster with a layer of concrete be beaten off from the inside?

                        This is where in the field fortifications, trenches, pillboxes blocked by a couple of reels, dugouts, did you see the plaster?

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        It will never reach you that the use of BFS is often associated with the use of sub-caliber shells.
                        Only from your words, and only about 105 mm guns.



                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        At first you compared BFS with OBPS, now with HEAT rounds.
                        I repeat once again: I originally wrote about the OFS, you corrected it, I agreed. But I immediately wrote about the FULL-BODY OFS, and emphasized that the FBS are FULL-BODY, but I didn’t immediately add that they are full-bodied compared to the universal cumulative ones, the main ones for 120 mm smooth barrels, well, I’m sorry, I didn’t know that this would cause you hysteria.

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        The patent shows the shortcomings of the existing BFS designs with regards to the armor action.
                        Have you tried reading it?
                        However, in this device there is a low efficiency of the explosive charge. The spall area on the rear side of the barrier or the area of ​​the through hole in the case small barrier width approximately equal to the area of ​​​​the contact spot of the warhead and the barrier

                        Here is a claim, moreover, a far-fetched one, to the insufficient effectiveness of action on a THIN-WALL barrier! Hello!


                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        And your argument is ridiculous, because a) 800 m / s is not a draconian requirement

                        Who is laughing now is another huge question.

                        At the cost of only 170 m / s, no more, and who knew about the perversion in the form of a separate charge for the HASH.

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Of course, at night we will shoot through the optics. In the heat, you still can't see it.
                        Of course, the trench, the main field fortification, can only be shelled at night. And the fact that the infantry stormed it during the day, is that the problem of the infantry?
                      10. +1
                        30 March 2023 03: 56
                        This is where in the field fortifications, trenches, pillboxes blocked by a couple of reels, dugouts, did you see the plaster?

                        This is an irony about the ability of the BFS to do something against fortifications.

                        Only from your words, and only about 105 mm guns.

                        Fortunately, not only from my words. And there is a lot of confidence that the “hundred and twenty” will not show a radically better one.

                        I repeat once again: I originally wrote about the OFS, you corrected it, I agreed. But I immediately wrote about the FULL-BODY OFS, and emphasized that the FBS are FULL-BODY, but I didn’t immediately add that they are full-bodied compared to the universal cumulative ones, the main ones for 120 mm smooth barrels, well, I’m sorry, I didn’t know that this would cause you hysteria.

                        Let's clarify what "full-bodied" means in your understanding? Since in your messages in the style of "you yourself should have guessed what I meant" there is no specifics. As I understand it, by the term "full-bodied" you mean a caliber projectile that is filled with explosives for its entire length and width? In this case, the question is: why do you consider BFS to be full-bodied? There, almost a quarter of the length is ballast in the form of an inert filler in the bow. wassat

                        Here is a claim, moreover, a far-fetched one, to the insufficient effectiveness of action on a THIN-WALL barrier! Hello!

                        There is a claim to the contact patch between the explosive and the wall, which is very limited in diameter and does not give the highest anti-barrier action, both in the case of breaking through a thin wall, and in the case of hitting a thick barrier. Or is it here, as above, the situation "I spoke about red, meaning black, but you did not guess and are hysterical"? request

                        At the cost of only 170 m / s, no more, and who knew about the perversion in the form of a separate charge for the HASH.

                        Price relative to what? Our 125 mm OFS? Are you trying to compare BFS and OFS here too? The initial speed of the British BFS makes it impossible for normal aimed fire from the Challenger 2 tanks over long distances over 1800 meters through the gunner's tank. And about and who knew about perversion in the form of a separate charge - so you didn't know about it.

                        Of course, the trench, the main field fortification, can only be shelled at night. And the fact that the infantry stormed it during the day, is that the problem of the infantry?

                        Considering that in "Chelli-2" this wretched projectile is the only one that contains explosives and is used against infantry, armor and fortifications ... So let's write it down: Vladimir wrote that in conditions of poor visibility day and night, firing at trenches moving alive to prohibit the strength of the enemy, his equipment and the calculations of anti-tank systems at long ranges through the gunner's teplok. Also, completely eliminate firing at long distances against enemy fortifications on the move - all this will be done during the day with infantry. Organize firing exclusively through a unique "sight / observation device from the Leclerc tank at the commander."
                      11. 0
                        30 March 2023 09: 41
                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        This is an irony about the ability of the BFS to do something against fortifications.

                        Fine. Ignore the use of sapper tanks exclusively by BFS against heavy fortifications - so be it.

                        Quote: Eduard Perov

                        Fortunately, not only from my words. And there is a lot of confidence that the “hundred and twenty” will not show a radically better one.
                        I didn’t find the weight of 120 mm HASH, but I think that the ratio will be slightly worse than for 100 mm (15 kg) and 122 mm (25 kg) Soviet OF., Taking into account the thinness of HASH and the difference between calibers. But I think there will be a one and a half times superiority. And this is another weight category.


                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Let's clarify what "full-bodied" means in your understanding? Since in your messages in the style of "you yourself should have guessed what I meant" there is no specifics. As I understand it, by the term "full-bodied" you mean a caliber projectile that is filled with explosives for its entire length and width?
                        That's right! hi


                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        In this case, the question is: why do you consider BFS to be full-bodied? There, almost a quarter of the length is ballast in the form of an inert filler in the bow.

                        1) A quarter of the length is not the same as a quarter of the volume, I think you will not argue that the cone has a much smaller volume than the cylinder.
                        2) The clearly visible thinness of the projectile means a higher fill factor of explosives compared to conventional OFS.
                        3) Noticeably less streamlined, and therefore more voluminous, the shape of the projectile.
                        So even with an empty cone, the BFS is at least not inferior, and taking into account the nose occupied by the fuse and the narrowed tail section, the OFS is rather superior to the OFS in filling explosives.

                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        There is a claim to the contact patch between the explosive and the wall, which is very limited in diameter and does not give the highest anti-barrier action, both in the case of breaking through a thin wall, and in the case of hitting a thick barrier. Or is it here, as above, the situation "I spoke about red, meaning black, but you did not guess and are hysterical"?
                        Yes, there is also a claim to lower efficiency over a thicker barrier, to blame. Only smaller than what? With OFS? No, with the proposed improvement.


                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Price relative to what? Our 125 mm OFS? Are you trying to compare BFS and OFS here too? The initial speed of the British BFS makes it impossible for normal aimed fire from the Challenger 2 tanks over long distances over 1800 meters through the gunner's tank. And about and who knew about the perversion in the form of a separate charge - only you did not know about it.
                        But imagine, here your claim is unfair! And the point here is just in charge. What would be the speed of the L31 when fired with a charge for scrap? I think that it’s at least 800 m / s (yes, more) ... So, yes, I just thought that the situation is the same with 125 mm shells - one main one for everyone.


                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Vladimir wrote that in conditions of poor visibility day and night, shooting at trenches, moving enemy manpower, his equipment and anti-tank systems at long ranges through the gunner's heat gun is prohibited. Also, completely eliminate firing at long distances against enemy fortifications on the move - all this will be done during the day with infantry. Organize firing exclusively through a unique "sight / observation device from the Leclerc tank at the commander."
                        Where to sign? laughing

                        P.S. By the way, how can you be sure that the nose filler is inert? Maybe there already is a "lens" as in the ratsukh. For example, I generally thought about emptiness, but here it is like ...

                        P.P.S. (not the police)
                        Given that in "Chelli-2" this wretched projectile is the only one that contains explosives and is used against infantry, armor and fortifications
                        Compared to the "Abrams" station wagons, it's just an uber shell.
                      12. 0
                        30 March 2023 23: 26
                        Fine. Ignore the use of sapper tanks exclusively by BFS against heavy fortifications - so be it.

                        What do you want to tell me when you endlessly repeat about an armor-piercing high-explosive 165-mm projectile for an engineering vehicle? Do you know what this projectile is used for? And do you know what power the explosive charge is there? Or will you again say "I meant this, but you thought about something else"?

                        BFS within the framework of such a gigantic caliber is used to clear passages in various kinds of obstacles, since when detonated on the same concrete fence or wall, it makes a huge and relatively even (without protruding reinforcement) hole. OFS cannot do this because of the multidirectional energy of the explosion during detonation. The same with fortification "sculpture" on the roads and so on.
                        The maximum thickness of a concrete wall that such a colossus in the form of a 165-mm projectile is able to hit is 2.1 meters.

                        I didn’t find the weight of 120 mm HASH, but I think that the ratio will be slightly worse than for 100 mm (15 kg) and 122 mm (25 kg) Soviet OF., Taking into account the thinness of HASH and the difference between calibers. But I think there will be a one and a half times superiority. And this is another weight category.

                        I'll give you a hint: the mass of explosives in the 165-mm engineering projectile you repeatedly mention is 4.5 times greater than in the 120-mm BFS.

                        That's right!

                        So it turns out that the BFS, according to your concept, is by no means full-bodied, since it is not completely occupied in the internal volume by the explosive.

                        Yes, there is also a claim to lower efficiency over a thicker barrier, to blame. Only smaller than what? With OFS? No, with the proposed improvement.

                        It clearly says what damaging factors the BFS has: when shooting at a thick barrier - secondary fragments from the wall; on a thin one - a hole and, as you might guess, fragments again, but already massive, and a blast wave.

                        But imagine, here your claim is unfair! And the point here is just in charge. What would be the speed of the L31 when fired with a charge for scrap? I think that it’s at least 800 m / s (yes, more) ... So, yes, I just thought that the situation is the same with 125 mm shells - one main one for everyone.

                        There would be no speed, since no one would place a powerful propellant charge to the BFS - this projectile is extremely sensitive to the initial speed and its increase leads to a decrease in its effectiveness.

                        P.S. By the way, how can you be sure that the nose filler is inert? Maybe there already is a "lens" as in the ratsukh. For example, I generally thought about emptiness, but here it is like ...

                        Have you been banned in Google or Yandex? When you request L31A7 HESH, a lot of cutaway pictures and diagrams pop up.

                        Compared to the "Abrams" station wagons, it's just an uber shell.

                        Are you talking about cumulative fragmentation again? Are you seriously? And for the infantry? This "miracle" of engineering thought called the 120-mm BFS has an area of ​​destruction of manpower (50% of disabled infantrymen) that is approximately equal to an 85-mm high-explosive fragmentation projectile of 140 sq.m. at the first and 130 sq.m. at the second. laughing

                        Okay, let me sum up, otherwise the burden will come out fierce.

                        1. 120 mm BFS pierce up to 60 centimeters non-reinforced solid concrete - of course, much less reinforced concrete will come out. The barrier action on thick reinforced concrete walls does not pull the title of effective, since the main damaging factors are wall fragments from a small spall area (along the diameter of the explosive contact spot with the wall), the speed, size and number of which decreases with increasing wall thickness. If we add to this the possible presence of wall cladding, sandbags and other things, the barrier effect is minimized.

                        That is, powerful fortifications are too tough for him, so he needs to break something else (they often use cumulative shells, but they are not in the British BC - only sub-caliber ones). There are reasons that there will be problems with some Soviet-built reinforced concrete houses, where firing points are arranged. Thick walls are a common problem for both OFS and 120-mm BFS, you can’t take it from the first shot.

                        2. BFS have simply no anti-personnel capabilities: even a 100-mm OFS with your "small filling" will be much more effective than this "miracle".
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                        31 March 2023 03: 18
                        Quote: Eduard Perov
                        Okay, let me sum up, otherwise the burden will come out fierce.

                        hi
              2. 0
                24 March 2023 18: 44
                And you can ask, where does the author get such knowledge on the damaging factors of shells, and even NATO ones, I, as a former tanker of Merkava tanks, are very interested.
          2. +2
            24 March 2023 10: 13
            This is not the best remedy for thick walls, even houses.

            English engineer Charles Denniston Burney created his offspring during WWII just for the purpose of destroying fortifications. And at first, such shells were used by engineering tanks, like the same Centurion Mk 5 AVRE, if we talk about the post-war period. The impact of plastic explosives on armor was assessed later.
      2. +5
        24 March 2023 08: 54
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        in order to split the wall of a powerful fortification, the crew needs to make a hole with a sub-caliber projectile and then break it with BFSs.

        It is strange to hear this after such a deep analytical article. bully
        HESH shells were originally designed to destroy non-buried reinforced concrete fortifications by direct fire and work perfectly in this capacity.
    2. 0
      24 March 2023 07: 51
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Dirty British uranium must be answered with pure Russian polonium! And then they accused it completely undeservedly, it would be necessary to deserve it!
      And so, I think that the full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells of the Briton are much more dangerous for our soldiers than crowbars, even if they are uranium.

      And what do you think about the use of 3BM46 on our part? ... this is another empty “red line” just to comment ...
      1. -1
        24 March 2023 08: 14
        Quote: parma
        just to comment...

        Are you talking about yours now?

        Quote: parma
        And so, I think that the full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells of the Briton are much more dangerous for our soldiers than crowbars, even if they are uranium.
        Can you comment on this?
        1. +2
          24 March 2023 09: 47
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: parma
          just to comment...

          Are you talking about yours now?

          Quote: parma
          And so, I think that the full-weight high-explosive fragmentation shells of the Briton are much more dangerous for our soldiers than crowbars, even if they are uranium.
          Can you comment on this?

          I just pointed out that on our side shells from depleted uranium are used (yes, like everyone else in the world, because it’s cheap and “painful”), and from that the hype is only for the hype ...
          As for the OFS, given the nature of the battles, I generally agree, but the supply of self-propelled guns from Britain is much more sensitive for us than the supply of tanks ... especially against the background of their characteristics and the superiority of many systems we and the Armed Forces of Ukraine had from the time of the union ...
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 17: 17
            Quote: parma
            I just pointed out that on our side shells from depleted uranium are used

            Developed and put into service - does not mean "applied" at all. Moreover, it has been repeatedly emphasized that uranium scrap is a mobilization option, and there are none in the troops.
    3. -2
      24 March 2023 09: 32
      On dirty British uranium

      I think - it is necessary to distribute an announcement through the Tsegabon networks that the crews of tanks with similar ammunition will not be able to count on captivity under any circumstances ..
    4. -1
      24 March 2023 10: 58
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Dirty British uranium must be answered with pure Russian polonium! And then they accused it completely undeservedly, it would be necessary to deserve it!

      At a minimum, just officially declare that the use of this type of shells will be regarded by us as the use of dirty nuclear weapons. And then, according to the circumstances, in principle, the hands will be untied for the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Alternatively, you can wait for the appropriate wind direction and conduct ground tests of nuclear weapons, so that Britain is hooked.
      1. -1
        24 March 2023 15: 43
        so that Britain is hooked.
        and grab 800 tomohawks in LBS)
        1. 0
          27 March 2023 18: 32
          Quote: Arsen1
          and grab 800 tomohawks in LBS)

          To launch them, you need to say goodbye to the territory of the British Isles and almost the entire population of them in advance. That's just interesting risk? Their 800 Tomahawks will dissipate across our territory, but they don't have that luxury. And if the question arises seriously that the supply of BPS with uranium will be regarded by us as the use of dirty nuclear weapons, they are unlikely to risk it. Although, knowing our unearthly love for "dear" partners, they may well. But in any case, we will reserve the right to answer, and there, when the elites change, we may answer.
  3. 0
    24 March 2023 05: 25
    the British simply do not have other more or less powerful ammunition.
    They have other ammunition, no - we should not worry about it. No, their problem. I hope that the response to the use of these shells will be quick and as tough as possible.
    1. +3
      24 March 2023 05: 29
      It's funny to hear this about the shells when there was no *quick and most tough answer* about the tanks themselves)).
      Calm down, shells with a uranium core are not prohibited by anyone in any way .. And they are no different from shells for Hymars or escaliburs
      1. -8
        24 March 2023 06: 26
        Are different. The place after the explosion for tens of meters remains with an increased level of radiation. An example is Iraq. In places of mass use of shells with depleted uranium, the incidence of cancer in children has increased by 6-7 times.
        1. +2
          24 March 2023 07: 40
          Quote from kromer
          Place after explosion(????!!! ) remains with an increased level of radiation for tens of meters

          You are like an explosion of steel scrap can you imagine?
          In these shells, scrap steel was replaced with uranium and there is no explosion in principle ....
          1. +1
            24 March 2023 07: 57
            Well, then when hit, a sheaf of sparks flies in all directions if you look at the video .. Theoretically, something probably settles around .. But !! It is worth looking at what the land of Donbass looks like now .. Not a single living tree, everything is plowed up, everything is in funnels .. How much has already settled there from explosive residues .. a couple of thousand uranium houses will not add much
          2. -3
            24 March 2023 10: 23
            Quote: your1970
            Do you imagine an explosion of scrap steel?

            Uranium, it is also uranium in Africa ... has the property of fission and half-life. The tip itself is not dangerous, but when passing through the armor, not a small amount of energy is released, and with it the half-life products ... which are radioactive waste! Exaggerated, of course, but this is a fact of radioactive contamination of the area!
            1. +1
              24 March 2023 12: 01
              Hello Serenka! hi in Iraq they shot a lot with the A-10, it seems that it went into the ground, there is an infection
              1. +2
                24 March 2023 14: 07
                hi Hello!
                Quote: novel xnumx
                in Iraq they shot a lot with the A-10, it seems that it went into the ground, there is an infection

                Serbia is full of children with cancer!!!!
            2. 0
              24 March 2023 14: 08
              Quote: Serg65
              Exaggerated of course, but this is a fact of radioactive contamination of the area

              Everything that is extracted from a depth of more than 50 m has an increased background compared to the natural one.
              Granite and marble finish phonite, ceramic tile, faience toilet bowls.
              The background near the Stalin skyscrapers is twice as high as the background in the reactor halls
              When this crap breaks through the armor - it will be much more deadly for the crew - than pieces of it just lying on the ground .....
          3. +1
            24 March 2023 10: 53
            and there is no explosion at all

            The concept of "explosion" has a fairly wide range of interpretation. It's just that non-specialists usually know only chemical or nuclear options. As a first approximation an explosion is just an extreme release of energy in the shortest possible time. And what has already caused this ejection is the tenth thing. For example, there is a magnetic explosion, when excessive magnetic pressure is created in an electromagnet and it shatters into pieces. The breakdown of gas by an electric arc is also an explosion. Etc.
    2. -5
      24 March 2023 06: 22
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      the response to the use of these shells will be quick and as tough as possible.

      1. -1
        24 March 2023 10: 27
        This requires a conflict, west of 404, and we will sell uranium shells there .... but this is far from it.
  4. +2
    24 March 2023 06: 40
    at the moment of impact on the armor and subsequent penetration, the armor-piercing core "self-sharpened",
    When the metal layers slide off, they ignite. This is a dangerous pyrophoric effect.
  5. +1
    24 March 2023 09: 18
    Of course, Ukraine is not Iraq or Yugoslavia, which were bombarded with toxic projectiles with great bounty. Therefore, all that a few British tanks can give is local areas of pollution, which are unlikely to be able to affect the environment in a total way. However, this does not negate the fact that this can affect the health of our fighters in the worst possible way.


    1. There are not many challengers themselves
    2. units will reach tank battles
    3. The main contamination of the area still came from 30mm uranium shells used from infantry fighting vehicles and A10 attack aircraft.
    4. But nevertheless, the British are not good people.
  6. 0
    24 March 2023 10: 25
    It's old stock/ (Iraq war) its overstock
    It's dangerous stuff, lot's of women, and children, getting sick!! Lot's of military people getting sick
    I think the UK is playing a dangerous game
    And they need a strong answer!
  7. 0
    24 March 2023 13: 45
    I’m wondering what will happen if such a bops breaks through a tank and doesn’t catch anything important. Will there be just a small hole in the tank and that's it? Or will there be some kind of impact besides a hole in the armor?
    1. +3
      24 March 2023 14: 00
      I’m wondering what will happen if such a bops breaks through a tank and doesn’t catch anything important. Will there be just a small hole in the tank and that's it? Or will there be some kind of impact besides a hole in the armor?

      There will be not just a small hole, chips on the back of the armor are also a striking factor. Plus, the scrap loses its aerodynamic shape. Plus, in the case of uranium, the particles of the penetrator brought into the reserved volume are pyrophoric and add an incendiary damaging factor
    2. +2
      24 March 2023 15: 23
      Quote from: Alex_mech
      if such a bops breaks through the tank and does not catch anything important

      Having pierced the armor, the projectile breaks off pieces of armor from the inside, and the weight of these fragments is significantly greater than the weight of the projectile itself. Spalls are also possible in case of non-penetration, when the armor is intact, and the crew is killed by fragments of their own armor. Plus a torch of fire from the incandescent projectile material, which in the case of uranium is pyrophoric. So there will be nothing - no crew, no equipment. During the Second World War, the Americans sheathed tanks from the inside with rivets with a thick multi-layer cowhide lining, precisely to slow down at least part of the fragments when they did not penetrate. Now they make the inner lining of Kevlar or similar durable aramid fabrics.
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  8. 0
    24 March 2023 14: 00
    I read until the end of the text and realized that the article was custom-made. You have to be a complete I_diot, that just take it and write ... And we respond the same way. Because it is weak to show the Club that has not yet been used? Yes, what a club, there is no strength to hit the podium with a slipper !!
  9. 0
    24 March 2023 15: 23
    As usual, I listen to the statements of high officials that "there will be infection in Ukraine and that there will be no harvest there," well, in fact, the fighting is essentially taking place in the Donbass, and this is no longer Ukraine. Well, the Anglo-Saxons, according to the buoy, what others will have there, for them that the Russians, that the Ukrainians are all natives. In general, another "red line" that no one noticed. The Anglo-Saxons understand only strength, but they don’t care about words.
  10. -1
    24 March 2023 15: 26
    In response, it is necessary to destroy their embassy in Ukraine, but they will swell, say we fired differently ...
  11. 0
    24 March 2023 15: 30
    this point of view sometimes even comes across in the media.
    okay in the media. At the official level, this game is carried
  12. -1
    24 March 2023 17: 55
    In general, it is necessary to publicly declare that we will send all the captured shells with depleted uranium back to the island, by air! laughing
  13. 0
    25 March 2023 18: 53
    If everything goes as the author says (i.e., both sides start throwing uranium shells), khan Ukraine. Yes, and you won’t envy everyone who fights there
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 20: 33
      There is a big difference, the British will shoot at our lands with an infection, and we!?
  14. 0
    25 March 2023 20: 31
    And how will Russia respond to England? The only pre-announced response is depleted uranium fireworks in the Channel No Man's Zone when the wind blows towards England! Let them rejoice at the safe colorful fireworks! I think it will be right!
  15. 0
    25 March 2023 20: 59
    In general, I’m surprised how much tungsten is still available for BOPS. Due to the shortage of tungsten, the tool steel-quick cut P18 disappeared from us back in the Soviet years, now only P9 at best.
  16. -1
    25 March 2023 21: 03
    Another thing is that for all the time our country has not applied them anywhere, but this is a completely different topic.


    Yes, different, but interesting:
    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2023/03/22/16439851.shtml
    The head of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, said that Moscow could transfer ammunition "with real uranium" to Minsk if Britain sends shells with depleted uranium to Ukraine. He added that the response of the Russian Federation to the use of such shells by the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be "a terrible lesson for the entire planet."
  17. 0
    25 March 2023 23: 54
    Consequently, the British defense industry is not able to produce and put them on a silver platter in a short period of time.

    how many of these Challengers are delivered there that they cannot find a dozen pallets? The BC of the tank is only fifty, and I just can’t believe that they will be here and there on the front line. The Britons themselves say that it would be better for them to stand at the exhibition and give the keys to the watchman.
    So there is no need to explain for the "most civilized" nation - let them handle it themselves or remain silent. Well, the fact that the entrance of the next collision from the Russian side should be this and that is decided elsewhere. If we evaluate the PR effect of the proposed "let's and we", then a) this is a game according to imposed rules, which is a priori stupidity, especially with the British, who can win a hopeless situation through the media because they know how b) thereby de facto all charges are annulled and the barrier from the line of lampas is generally removed.
    Masha should ask a BBC journalist at a press conference what port of choice they consider worthy of answering for the contamination of the planet's best black soil with uranium dust. Start like this: on the east or west coast, on an island or continent, in a colony or metropolis. And there the counter immediately turns on and while the end of communication with journalists, Poseidon sends friendly greetings. Canada, Australia, NZeland, Albion - everyone can play Russian roulette. Thus, it is demonstrated that they have been under the hood for a long time, and any whim of a stupid journalist can hit them.
  18. 0
    28 March 2023 08: 41
    Quote: Serg65
    Exaggerated, of course, but this is a fact of radioactive contamination of the area!


    Uranium is not only radioactive, but also toxic, like a heavy metal. Especially if it enters the body. Uranium dust will fall on the ground, then into groundwater, into plumbing, and even into grain.
    And then - in the human body or domestic animals, provoking oncology.
  19. 0
    April 25 2023 21: 57
    The Russians make their ships salute with radioactive salute passing through the Channel and at a time when the wind blows towards England! Do the same with radioactive earth and take it out by barges and throw it away near their shores!
  20. 0
    21 May 2023 11: 00
    L'Ukraine est une sorte de déchetterie militaire pour l'occident eugéniste qui vise ses richesses et dont la dépopulation sert ses objectifs d'appropriation, les Ukrainiens ne devraient pas se tromper sur le fait que ce sont les Russes qui prennent des précautions pour ne pas tuer des civils alors que l'OTAN a construit cette guerre sur le long terme, ce sont les Russes qui luttent contre la corruption et ségrégation que l'occident a favorisé, ce sont les Russes qui ont fait l'industrie de l'Ukraine alors que l'occident la rachète avec l'argent qu'il factory pour l'exploiter.