Is a “heavy” sniper needed in modern warfare

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Is a “heavy” sniper needed in modern warfare
Source: www.19fortyfive.com


Chasing the distance


Sniper sniper strife. It’s worth starting with the most massive class of infantry sniper rifles, which are also called Marksman rifles in a Western manner. Most often, these are self-loading rifles designed to work at short and medium distances. At weapons in comparison with an automatic rifle, greater accuracy of fire and cartridge power. The so-called machine gun-rifle ammunition 7,62x54R and 7,62x51 are used.



In the Soviet Union, and later in Russia, the main sniper rifle of the motorized infantry was and is the SVD. The weapon allows a standard cartridge to confidently hit targets at a distance of no more than 300-400 meters, which is quite acceptable for modern combat conditions. The support of a pair of trained snipers can hold back the advance of an enemy company. Training a successful "Marxman" does not require large investments and takes no more than six months.

There is no need for the SVD operator in complex instruments like weather stations, rangefinders, tripods and spotting scopes. From military high-tech, a sniper only needs a good scope with a thermal imager. No one will dispute the value of such specialists on the battlefield. The more combined arms snipers in the troops, the better. If we take combined arms combat as an example, then only an infantry sniper and a machine gunner are capable of conducting aimed fire at a distance of up to 300-400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy.


Source: www.wpristav.su

If the shooter needs to work at long distances, for example, up to a kilometer, then the "Marksman" is powerless here. More precisely, shooting is possible, but only to suppress manpower, and not guaranteed defeat. The problem is in the very concept of self-loading, when the moving parts of the weapon affect the accuracy of the shot. Here expensive bolt-action rifles are needed, and the sniper team already consists of at least two people. Cartridges are usually 7,62x67mm (.300 Winchester Magnum) or 8,6x70mm (.338 Lapua Magnum). A typical example is the Russian ORSIS T-5000 and SV-98.

This weapon has a lot of additional equipment that increases the accuracy of shooting. Training a good sniper pair takes a lot of time up to several years. All this inevitably leads to an increase in the cost of one shot. But more often than not, snipers work on high-priority targets, which more than justify their mission. Especially in police operations, when the accuracy of the shot is of particular importance. In army conditions, such weapons require careful attitude - after all, they developed rifles not under the impression of AK.

Found their place in modern warfare and the so-called anti-material rifles. The weapon gained fame due to the American self-loading Barrett. With accuracy, everything is not very good here, but the power of the 12,7 × 99 mm cartridge (.50 BMG) more than covers this shortcoming. Therefore, the weapon is called anti-material - at a distance of 800 meters or more, you can only get out of it into an armored personnel carrier.

However, with absolutely unknown consequences - for a full-fledged defeat, it is required to conduct concentrated fire with several rifles at once. And this, in turn, is compensated by one "Cliff" or DShK. As a last resort, light anti-tank systems.

As a result, anti-material rifles are used mainly to work on enemy manpower at quite “Marksman” distances. The main argument is that the 12,7 mm caliber ensures guaranteed death of the target even in the heaviest body armor.

ATGM or bullet?


The time has come for a rather controversial weapon on the battlefield - long-range and ultra-long-range sniper rifles.

In Russia, the most famous and, perhaps, the only manufacturer of such products is Lobaev Arms. The famous line of DXL-3 "Retribution", DXL-4M "Sevastopol", DXL-5 "Ravager" and the technological pinnacle of SVLK-14S "Dusk" ensure the defeat of the enemy at a distance of up to 2-800 meters. Outstanding results of outstanding weapons, no doubt.

It is reported that "heavy" snipers of the 155th Guards Marine Corps Brigade of the Pacific fleet. Let's try to imagine what is necessary for firing from such rifles even at a distance of 1–500 meters.

First of all, a very well trained pair of sniper and spotter is required. It will not be possible to master masterful shooting from the "Ravager" or "Sevastopol" in half a year of intensive practice - it takes a year, or even two. Such valuable players on the battlefield need protection. At least one infantryman with a machine gun should control the near field while the snipers look for a target. There are already three people.

All sniper belongings, consisting of a rangefinder, a weather station, a tripod, spotting scopes, a spare barrel, a tablet, and other things, must somehow be moved around the fields. For example, the DXL-4M Sevastopol alone weighs more than nine kilograms. The reconnaissance operator is also credited to the sniper crew drone - at a distance of one and a half to two kilometers it is not easy to find a target from the ground.

The total cost of the entire set of "heavy" sniper can be 3-4 million rubles! All this is started only to hit one, maximum two targets, after which the whole team has to change their location. Otherwise they will arrive Drones, followed by mortars and tank shells.


The best ultra-long-range sniper rifle. Source: militaryarms.ru

To clarify, this scenario is being considered for the use of Lobaev Arms weapons for their intended purpose, that is, shooting at long and ultra-long distances. If from the "golden" rifles on targets up to 800 meters, then the complex infrastructure is completely redundant. A well-trained sniper will cope with such a task without assistants.
But then why make a fuss at all, if there are much cheaper, albeit less perfect rifles. For example, the ORSIS T-5000 and SV-98 mentioned above, and there are many products of this class in the Lobaev Arms line.

Do the military have effective means for high-precision destruction of targets at a distance of 2-3 km?

First of all, ATGM. For example, the Kornet missile system, which requires only two people to count. This, of course, is a very optimistic assessment - for mobility, the gun requires three fighters. Still, it is very difficult for two fighters to move a 30-kilogram transport and launch container and missiles.

But there is also a compact Metis, whose mass does not exceed 14 kilograms. SVLK-14S "Twilight" without a functional body kit pulls 9,7 kilograms. Further, the ATGM outperforms the "heavy" rifles just one way. It is incomparably easier to train an operator of a guided anti-tank missile; a couple of months of practice is enough. The cost of firing a rocket is, of course, higher than that of any rifle, but the effect on the target is completely different. Thermobaric ammunition is able to raise enemy fortifications into the air, and send any movable object for a long time for repairs. The universality of the ATGM is also hidden here. If an enemy tank is in sight, it may well be neutralized, or even destroyed.

What is the answer for the tank to the calculation of the "heavy" sniper rifle? Perhaps only one - the hope that the snipers will not be noticed. The enemy is very well saturated with thermal imaging devices, which seriously reduces the ability to disguise even the most skilled and experienced shooters.

With a firing range, ATGMs also have an advantage. The heavy and conditionally mobile "Cornet" can go to the target for more than five kilometers, which allows the calculation not to go to the forefront. "Metis" is more modest - only a couple of kilometers to the target. But, we repeat, the probability of hitting is incomparably higher than that of the most advanced rifle. To be fair, Lobaev Arms produces a wide range of sniper rifles with an effective range of up to 1–200 meters. These wonderful products are already used in the NWO and have proven themselves well.

The main thing in military work is balance. It is this quality that has always distinguished Russian weapons. The search for the most optimal rifle capable of performing a wide range of combat missions is a matter of the near future. Perhaps it is the Lobaev "Counters", "SMERSH", "Dominators" and "Stalingrads" that are close to this, like no other. But until this moment, it is more efficient to work with guided weapons for remote, but very important targets. And best of all, a good old artillery raid, so that there are no targets for snipers at all.
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  1. +13
    17 March 2023 04: 49
    I've always had a question:
    “Why not create a robotic sniper complex capable of hitting targets day and night at a distance (at least) up to 2 km?”
    It is in such a complex that one can neglect the weight of the weapon, barrel length, caliber, silencer ... It can easily be in standby mode for a day or more ... Modern materials will make it possible to mask it from both optical reconnaissance and thermal imagers ... And in the case destruction is just iron...
    Where is this "royal wolf" with a prototype? Or is it an outrageously expensive option?
    1. -12
      17 March 2023 04: 59
      The best, and the most tenacious complex, is a Russian soldier equipped with dry rations and armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle .. everything else is the wet dreams of the American military-industrial complex .. hi
      1. +18
        17 March 2023 05: 51
        Quote: Evil 55
        The best, and the most tenacious complex, is a Russian soldier equipped with dry rations and armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle .. everything else is the wet dreams of the American military-industrial complex .. hi

        Recently, one of our fighters was awarded ... as part of a group, he was ambushed by a sniper who shot the entire group and wounded the fighter himself ... the fighter himself managed to notice the sniper's prone position and shoot from an RPG exactly at it.
        We don't have enough soldiers for enemy snipers... the fight against this evil on the battlefield should be a priority.
        You can’t defeat the enemy only by numbers, it costs the army too much ... that’s what Suvorov said.
        1. 0
          2 May 2023 23: 18
          I, personally, as a biathlete,
          had ... let's say, and a military specialty.
          A sniper's bed is a relative thing.
          Hit and dumped, otherwise it will fly. Or come running.
          In Grozny, shepherd dogs were used to capture snipers.
          I look and marvel - I hit it and lies, it shoots a movie.
          Mina is waiting.
      2. +21
        17 March 2023 09: 49
        Quote: Angry 55
        and the most tenacious complex is a Russian soldier equipped with dry rations and armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle

        If this "complex" is not your son.
      3. +3
        17 March 2023 13: 11
        Because we love the vintage style, we're also adding a Swiss spearman, a Balearic slinger, a Genoese crossbowman, and a lansknet armed with a matchlock musket.laughing
        1. +9
          17 March 2023 15: 52
          What kind of servility to the West is this? Only archers, only hardcore!
          Again, from the point of view of the Ministry of Finance, archers with their partial self-supply (subsistence farms) are an ideal option. smile
          1. +2
            17 March 2023 16: 28

            You are right, you need an archer. At this point, we add the shield bearer and the squad is ready.. smile
            1. +3
              20 March 2023 09: 42
              Quote: Decimalegio
              You are right, you need an archer. At this point, we add the shield bearer and the squad is ready.. smile

              Fighter, cleric, mage and thief! © smile
      4. 0
        26 March 2023 22: 09
        And where, you dear, did you leave from mobilization? Turkey, Kazakhstan, Georgia? Or are you still not draft age?
    2. 0
      17 March 2023 08: 19
      Such a complex has been created. BMPT is called.
    3. +3
      17 March 2023 15: 02
      Where is this "royal wolf" with a prototype? Or is it an outrageously expensive option?

      Well, I can be this very "royal wolf" - the technology was worked out 40 years ago in robotic complexes for the protection of points of the Strategic Missile Forces, just replace a large-caliber machine gun with a large-caliber rifle, replace those technologies with modern ones from aliexpress, 100 days to develop and fine-tune - and no one is closer than a kilometer to the point alive will not fit bully
      Only no one needs this nafik all over the world - not to mention us)))
      1. +3
        18 March 2023 11: 37
        For 100 days and for a billion, "smarts" have already developed before you. Even probably already spent wink Particularly pleased is the kilometer where the thread in the city is guarding a bridge or a hospital, a bullet of 12,7 to six km of a mushroom picker shoots in the ass on a vyle (an episode from real life) good But on the account of "nafik" I absolutely agree, and even cheaply, this is not at all for our officials.
    4. +1
      17 March 2023 17: 52
      I think it will be a very expensive technique. If only because this robot will have, in addition to long-range and accurate shooting, to have in its program the function of its own protection from enemy soldiers. For example, the DRG has discovered it and the fighters are approaching it from three sides. His main weapon will no longer help him here. It is necessary to equip it with something for protection, recognition of "friend or foe". In short - a very complex and expensive toy.
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 22: 49
        Generally speaking, these are two different tasks. Although the second of them is solved in the same way.
        You need either remote control of the robot by the shooter, or a unified system of your own someone else, there is nothing complicated and nothing expensive in this.

        He is not a blind robot, he is looking for targets, including those around him, if something unidentified approaches him, he took and killed him.
      2. 0
        27 March 2023 00: 54
        The ECEF coordinates of the target are simply sent to him over the cable. She may be completely invisible to him. And with the proper organization of the process, he can still stupidly dodge the shells that fly at him - there would be a radar that would track these shells.
    5. +2
      19 March 2023 15: 03
      The funny thing is that such a ROBOTIC, i.e. a "sniper complex" that works WITHOUT human intervention, but NOT with a rifle, but with a machine gun with a PKT electric trigger (7,62 mm), really exists, and is being produced, and has even been actually used since the 1980s to guard warehouses with NUCLEAR weapons, it is designed and manufactured in Tula, and the complex includes the Fara radar ( 1 ), a laptop case (computer) ( 2 ), a machine gun (tripod) with electric drives ( 3 ), a battery ( 4 ) and 7,62 mm PCT (5).
      At night, rabbits appear around the RAV warehouses, so this "robot" spends 3 shots on one rabbit and kills everyone ...
      Why don't they buy them???
      Apparently because the Generals are not interested in what the OPK produces.
    6. 0
      20 March 2023 00: 30
      robotic sniper system,

      “Why not create a TELEMECHANICAL sniper complex capable of hitting targets day and night at a distance (at least) up to 2 km?” And the operator sips coffee in the dugout behind the display.
      1. 0
        27 March 2023 00: 55
        Fuck the mechanics, he can just throw off ECEF. And where it comes from - from a drone, an observer or a radar - is not important.
    7. 0
      26 March 2023 12: 43
      My physics teacher, who participated in the Finnish War, said that his team then, to protect against Finnish skiers-saboteurs, created barriers with mining of possible approaches and the installation of automated machine gun installations - 3-4 machine guns were placed to cover the protected area with a fan. They quickly realized that these installations themselves also needed to be protected and added observation points with backup remote control.
    8. 0
      10 June 2023 13: 58
      And will he also change his position after the shot, fix the malfunctions himself?
  2. +9
    17 March 2023 04: 49
    In my opinion, the author is 20 years behind the topic, otherwise he would not have written this:
    All sniper belongings, consisting of a rangefinder, a weather station, a tripod, spotting scopes, a spare barrel, a tablet, and other things, must somehow be moved around the fields.

    Because now almost everything described in the same tablet will fit.
    Yes, and the "spare barrel" is suggestive ...


    an infantry sniper and a machine gunner are capable of conducting aimed fire at a distance of up to 300-400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy.
    In the presence of small optics, trained machine gunners, even with AKS-74U from 300 m, will at least not let the enemy raise his head.
    1. +11
      17 March 2023 04: 57
      Well, about the "Ogryzka" you dreamed about it .. To get a hundred meters from it is already a feat .. hi
      1. -7
        17 March 2023 05: 44
        https://vk.com/video-204041702_456241633
        Razvedos authority for me, I don’t know for you ...
      2. +2
        18 March 2023 19: 01
        AKS-74U, No. 289654, manufactured in 1987: at a hundred meters - 94 out of 100, from the knee - 89 out of 100, standing - 82 ... I had a very good machine gun. Served with him for seven years. From each weapon you need to try to get the maximum possible ... hi
    2. +7
      17 March 2023 05: 06
      I would also agree from AKM, they definitely won’t raise their heads at 300 meters, the AK-74 is already at 300 meters, if only taken by the density of fire ... But the AKS-74U is ...
      1. -7
        17 March 2023 05: 44
        https://vk.com/video-204041702_456241633
        Razvedos authority for me, I don’t know for you ...
        1. +1
          17 March 2023 08: 21
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Razvedos authority for me, I don’t know for you ...

          This is whose SVD shoots at the head target for a kilometer?
          1. -1
            17 March 2023 09: 45
            Quote: Negro
            This is whose SVD shoots at the head target for a kilometer?

            No, it is in which the shortening is 360 m. A typical target hits 9 out of 10.
            https://vk.com/video-204041702_456241633
            1. +5
              17 March 2023 11: 54
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              No, it is in which the shortening is 360 m. A typical target hits 9 out of 10.

              I don't follow links in VK.

              Target 10a "machine-gun crew" and the like strikes, meter by meter. Head 23 cm wide - from 150 meters. This is technical accuracy, that is, the machine is clamped in a vice and the hits are inscribed in a circle (that is, the target is drawn around the hits).

              According to the standards, the accuracy of Kalashnikov is 15 cm (circle diameter) at 100 meters, which is 6 minutes of arc. Some talk about accurate shooting starts from one minute of arc.
              1. -1
                17 March 2023 14: 28
                Quote: Negro
                I don't follow links in VK.
                Would go and see what I wrote about. Well, or dial - Razvedos and Ksenia.


                Quote: Negro
                According to the standards, the accuracy of Kalashnikov is 15 cm (circle diameter) at 100 meters, which is 6 minutes of arc.

                Don't follow the links, check the wiki:

                Firing range, m 100 Median deviations in height, 10 cm [5] Median deviations in width, cm 10

                For Shortcut!

                Quote: Negro
                Some talk about accurate shooting starts from one minute of arc.
                Don’t follow the links, write gag, don’t even read the comments:

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                In the presence of small optics, trained machine gunners, even with AKS-74U from 300 m, will at least not let the enemy raise his head.

                For such tasks, a minute is not needed.
                1. +2
                  17 March 2023 16: 03
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  For such tasks, a minute is not needed.

                  There, optics is not needed either, shooting (preferably) towards the enemy.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Median deviations in height, 10 cm

                  15cm requirements for bringing to a normal fight. 10 cm of median deviation is much worse than a circle of 15 cm, since firing bursts.
                  1. -1
                    17 March 2023 17: 24
                    Quote: Negro
                    15cm requirements for bringing to a normal fight. 10 cm of median deviation is much worse than a circle of 15 cm, since firing bursts.

                    Single, for AK, for RPK.

                    Quote: Negro
                    There, optics is not needed either, shooting (preferably) towards the enemy.
                    At 300 meters?
                    360 m. 50 percent, hits on the belt target at Razvedos from the AKS-74u, if they did not master the video.
                    1. -1
                      18 March 2023 01: 52
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      hits on the belt target at Razvedos from the AKS-74u

                      Get acquainted.
                      AKSU, which is hung so that his own father, Mikhail Timofeevich, does not recognize. Most likely podshamanenny and inside. The issue of cartridges has not been disclosed, oh, I very much doubt that the gross machine gun. Shooting lying single.

                      Yes, in such a situation, one can believe that half of the shots will fall on a 50x50 cm target. At the same time, the bald man himself at the beginning of the video says that a hung AKSU is good for any tasks EXCEPT for combined arms combat, full-size samples are better suited there.

                      It's not clear what the dispute is about. You can shoot at 300 meters from the PPSh, maybe you will even hit something. But it doesn't have to be hit. Suppressive fire does not require accuracy. In general, comparing AKSU with a sniper rifle is more than strange.
                      1. 0
                        18 March 2023 04: 11
                        Quote: Negro
                        AKSU, which is hung so that his own father, Mikhail Timofeevich, does not recognize. Most likely podshamanenny and inside.
                        So I wrote: "for trained fighters." But Razvedos also talks only about body kit. And I'm only talking about optics.

                        Quote: Negro
                        Shooting lying single.
                        Can this be considered a claim to a sniper rifle? hi

                        Quote: Negro
                        It's not clear what the dispute is about.
                        So I don’t understand, either you are trying to convince me that the AKS-74u is a bad sniper, or I’m telling you that it’s not a sniper at all, but something can happen at 300 meters.

                        Quote: Negro
                        In general, comparing AKSU with a sniper rifle is more than strange.
                        I don’t compare, but even “Ksenia”, not to mention full-fledged AKs, is also not worth it with a pestle, as the author tried.
        2. +1
          17 March 2023 12: 12
          That one more authority. Yeah. What, then, is this super-soldier not LBS, but only sawing videos? His super-duper experience would help save the lives of untrained soldiers.
          1. -1
            17 March 2023 14: 31
            Quote: T.A.V.
            That one more authority.

            Not less than yours, by the way, who are you?
            Quote: T.A.V.
            What, then, is this super-soldier not LBS, but only sawing videos?
            Maybe because he is retired7 And what is your condition?
            Quote: T.A.V.
            His super-duper experience would help save the lives of untrained soldiers.
            Training videos on tactic medicine, collection of tactic first-aid kits for NWO fighters, equipment collections for advanced NWO fighters, of course, do not count. Whether business you.
            1. 0
              21 March 2023 17: 03
              Dear, do not be nervous, the nerve cells of that one are not restored. In no way am I going to challenge your faith. For you blogger authority and glory to God. Someone believes in a pasta god, the main thing is not to harm. And note that my comment does not say anything about me being such a D'Artagnan. Do not replace other people's thoughts with your speculation about them.
    3. +5
      17 March 2023 06: 17
      With the same success, one could write like "trained pistolmen, even from Makarov from 300 meters, will not let the enemy raise his head.
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 06: 25
        Quote from Von_Schmidt
        With the same success, one could write like "trained pistolmen, even from Makarov from 300 meters, will not let the enemy raise his head.

        If you were aware of at least the initial characteristics, then you would not write like that.
        1. +3
          17 March 2023 07: 51
          Sitting on the couch, but under mom's pies! Eh! You don’t understand anything, a man lived his life, trampled a pair of boots ....
          Only now he has apparently never fired from either Makarov or AK-74. And they certainly didn’t shoot at him, because the whistle of enemy bullets is the best sobering and teaches you how to use your weapon as needed!
    4. +7
      17 March 2023 06: 51
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      In the presence of small optics, trained machine gunners even with AKS-74U from 300 m.

      I don’t know how to shorten it, but at our shooting range the “machine gun” stood at 350 meters. Of our AK-74s, the whole company fell quite well. Yes, and for SVD targets were standard up to 1300 as expected. In calm weather, all four of our snipers reached them completely.
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 10: 28
        Yeah, from AKM too
        In general, the control firing exercise is quite simple.
      2. +5
        17 March 2023 10: 41
        Yes, and for SVD targets were standard up to 1300 as expected

        So much PSO-1 is cut into. Which does not mean at all that such shooting is real en masse. In theory - if the weather is really calm, the target is contrast enough, the distance, pressure and humidity are known for sure, the cartridge is of high quality and not the gross one, the barrel is new, the rifle itself is shot by the shooter and the trigger is fine-tuned for itself, the forearm is tightened as it should, it is possible to make a shot - another for warming up - I personally would try a kilometer. In the presence of a spotter, once out of three, he would probably have hit a growth target.

        But you understand - in combat conditions, all this is not possible. From a cold barrel, in incomprehensible weather and wind, determined by the distance grid of the sight, and from the first shot - 500 meters maximum .. No - I have no doubt that there are masters capable of much more, but how many of these?
        1. +1
          17 March 2023 15: 21
          Quote: paul3390
          Yes, and for SVD targets were standard up to 1300 as expected

          So many PSO-1s are cut. Which does not mean at all that such shooting is real en masse. In theory - if the weather is really calm, the target is contrast enough, the distance, pressure and humidity are known for sure, the cartridge is of high quality and not the gross one, the barrel is new, the rifle itself is shot by the shooter and the trigger is fine-tuned for itself, the forearm is tightened as it should, it is possible to make a shot - the other for warming up - I would personally try a kilometer. In the presence of a spotter, once out of three, he would probably have hit a growth target.

          But you understand - in combat conditions, all this is not possible. From a cold barrel, in incomprehensible weather and wind, determined by the distance grid of the sight, and from the first shot - 500 meters maximum .. No - I have no doubt that there are masters capable of much more, but how many are there?

          I write with the utmost respect! fellow good drinks
          Such people have not yet died out in our villages, that for 1 km from the first time they immediately fall from the SVD into a growth target (live - underline as necessary) - there will be exactly 10 thousand for the whole country feel
          The only question is that such a shot is "expensive" and there is only one chance to shoot - and then you have to roll off instantly, because the answer will fly right away))) Another question is that such specialists "forgotten and scored on them", unfortunately .. One of my acquaintances serves as a special security guard in a store - because no one needs nafik ... crying
          1. +1
            17 March 2023 17: 58
            Such people have not yet died out in our villages

            I won’t even argue. drinks It's just that I personally haven't seen it. And I don't really see how that's possible. Most likely - due to lack of experience, after all, I myself am by no means a sniper. Alas.. crying
    5. +4
      17 March 2023 09: 17
      Yes, the ranges in the article are debatable, but that's not the point. A sniper is not just one shot one dead body. This is reconnaissance, identification and defeat of the very calculations of anti-tank systems, enemy optics, their snipers in the end. The calculation of anti-tank systems will not perform counter-sniper work.
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 09: 37
        This is reconnaissance, identification and defeat of the very calculations of anti-tank systems, enemy optics, their snipers in the end.

        And target designation with tracers.
      2. 0
        17 March 2023 10: 39
        Quote: Sorrow
        The calculation of anti-tank systems will not perform counter-sniper work.

        The fight against snipers is not limited to the means of destruction. And in the means of detecting the positions of snipers and target designation. If the position is detected and transferred to the same motorized riflemen / tankers in a system of coordinates / landmarks understandable for the linear units (don't swear, show your finger © smile ), then even an ordinary MSO has enough firepower to defeat a sniper - it is not necessary to involve "golden" heavy snipers in this matter.
        1. 0
          17 March 2023 11: 59
          Of course, they work on snipers with all available means of destruction, and I meant not only the defeat itself, but also target designation, and not only snipers, but also other important targets for group weapons.
    6. 0
      18 March 2023 10: 16
      The material is controversial to say the least. The ATGM, of course, shoots further and the rocket explodes, but the weight of one container with the rocket is more than the weight of the entire rifle. The price of a cartridge and a rocket differ by more than a thousand times. Yes exactly. And the launcher ATGM will also be more expensive than a rifle, and not ten times.
      From a rifle, it makes sense to shoot at a machine gunner, a driver, a standing commander with binoculars - all those targets for which to spend a rocket for 50 thousand dollars are somehow a little expensive. That is, these are different niches of weapons, for different purposes.
      The ATGM operator also needs to be trained no less than a sniper. Since to disguise him a hefty unit in height, and not a much thinner rifle. It requires much more physical strength and endurance from him to carry it all. When hit almost surrounded, the sniper has the ability to knock out submachine gunners and machine gunners from a kilometer or more and survive. It is easier for a sniper to crawl away and retreat with a weapon, since the weight is less. The ATGM operator needs two machine gunners with second numbers as security to fight off the enemy detachment (two or three missiles will not help here) which the sniper and partner will shoot very successfully.
      The main issue is the price of training, which is much cheaper in the case of a sniper, and mass character. A shooting range for 1500m across a lake or something else is easier to equip than a missile range. Weapons are cheaper and shots too. You can develop a training system starting from shooting at a school from small things at 120-150m, and from MK you can kill a fox from 90m. And those who show the ability to read the wind should be taught at pre-conscription courses with a 308 caliber rifle, which costs acceptable, as well as cartridges. Distances of 600 - 800m are also quite useful in the army. And the most talented in shooting at 800m should be trained at 338 and kilometers.
      The weight of the equipment is less, that is, the requirements for the physical training of snipers are slightly lower. This will become especially significant in the mountains or buildings, when you need to climb a lot in heights in uncomfortable places.
      Action on targets - an armor-piercing chemical bullet disables an armored personnel carrier with a single hit, it becomes impossible to stay in it until a very thorough degassing and then minor repairs of the components soaked with a solution. Yes, there are no such bullets in 338 yet, but this is already a question for legislators to cancel Articles 222 and 223 of the Criminal Code and announce a competition for the development of such bullets.
      The stealth of a sniper shot is much higher than that of an ATGM launch, which increases the chances of survival. Not without reason, according to the American charter, only two missiles enter the BC of the TOU complex, and the trench is dug without a message, there is an understanding that after the second shot, the crew in that trench should be buried.
    7. +1
      18 March 2023 11: 43
      The main advantage of the remote control of the rifle complex is that the operator is safe and nothing prevents him (read the article Digitized Rifle) from aiming accurately. It is necessary to spend cartridges for destruction, and since 1945 we have only been thinking about how to scare the enemy.
  3. -6
    17 March 2023 05: 27
    . Do the military have effective means for high-precision destruction of targets at a distance of 2-3 km?


    Eat. MLRS "Grad". Send the package there and kirdyk to any sniper. Cheap, convenient, practical.
    1. +2
      17 March 2023 06: 19
      Cheap? Well, googled the cost of a shot to hail.
      1. -3
        17 March 2023 07: 11
        Quote from Von_Schmidt
        Cheap? Well, googled the cost of a shot to hail.


        Is the ATGM worth a penny?
        1. 0
          17 March 2023 08: 28
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote from Von_Schmidt
          Cheap? Well, googled the cost of a shot to hail.


          Is the ATGM worth a penny?

          And Lobaev?
          1. 0
            17 March 2023 09: 46
            Quote: your1970
            And Lobaev?

            And Lobaev's shot?
        2. +1
          17 March 2023 09: 39
          Is the ATGM worth a penny?

          I don’t know how it is now, but in Soviet times, an ATGM shot cost as much as a Zhiguli.
    2. +3
      17 March 2023 13: 46
      As a result, all the fields were plowed up with a dubious result, throwing packages "somewhere there"
      1. -2
        17 March 2023 13: 51
        Quote: CTABEP
        As a result, all the fields were plowed up with a dubious result, throwing packages "somewhere there"


        The package is a strip approximately 200 m long and 40 m wide. Solid. Stem art plowed.
        1. +1
          17 March 2023 15: 59
          Quote: sergo1914
          The package is a strip approximately 200 m long and 40 m wide. Solid. Stem art plowed.

          Everyone plowed. MLRS in this case were noted for the fact that they were assigned targets that the RS were not hit in principle.
          Here - COMPLETE FORTIFICATIONS. And there are already, excuse me, BM-21 installations that fired 500-600 missiles at a given area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbenemy fortifications (this is from one car! Only from one car !!!), but at the headquarters everyone is perplexed "Why don't they surrender? Where is victory?"
          © Murz
    3. -1
      18 March 2023 00: 47
      not a fact. From the lunar landscapes, you can imagine how many of these packages were released by the Nazis. But for some reason they have been sitting in Avdeevka and Marinka near Lonetsk for a year now and nothing is being done to them. Enemies need to be seen and beat them with accurate weapons, including sniper ones, and not mediocrely thresh in directions and areas.
  4. +7
    17 March 2023 05: 34
    I don’t see any point in even discussing it. For snipers and “light” and “heavy” targets in modern warfare, there are enough targets. ATGM operators have their own goals and objectives. But the correct use (that is, training and application) is a separate big topic. It is interesting to ask did the author ask if he was interested in how units and snipers and anti-tank systems are used in the war? The answer is no. Hence the so-called problems.
    1. 0
      April 18 2023 11: 49
      The question is not about weapons. In application. Tactics, and its change. To my regret , tactics come down from above . And only deafening losses force her to change. Yes, of course, preparing for the last war is a stupid thing. But here if to analyze , successes and failures . Since the First World War, and to this day. That can be well formulated. Sniper, sniper groups. Anti-sniper groups. There is a history of the use of the Patriotic War and the Finnish one. So is the experience of Afghanistan. Do not confuse a sergeant with an SVD and a trained sniper. With several positions prepared in advance. To detect a sniper in a thermal imager, you need to lean out. Technology doesn't solve everything.
  5. Owl
    +1
    17 March 2023 05: 56
    At present, sniper shooting is necessary either in anti-terrorist (in police) special operations, or when performing sabotage actions against advancing forces and means of control, means of attack using weapons of mass destruction. Moreover, sabotage actions are possible during actions from an ambush, an attack on a stationary object is possible only immediately after it is placed on a site, that is, before the deployment of forces and means of surveillance, protection and defense. A military sniper armed with a semi-automatic rifle having ammunition of greater power than the ammunition of an assault rifle (machine gun) will be relevant for a very long time to conduct reconnaissance and destroy important (dangerous) targets located at a distance of up to 350-400 meters.
    1. +3
      17 March 2023 09: 43
      A military sniper armed with a semi-automatic rifle having ammunition of greater power than the ammunition of an assault rifle (machine gun) will be relevant for a very long time to conduct reconnaissance and destroy important (dangerous) targets located at a distance of up to 350-400 meters.

      And it is very important that, unlike a machine gun, it is not a clearly visible target. A group of several snipers may well replace the machine gun and stay alive. And the promising RPK-16, which can serve as a sniper rifle, is very relevant. Universal weapon.
  6. +8
    17 March 2023 06: 01
    only an infantry sniper and a machine gunner are capable of conducting aimed fire at a distance of up to 300-400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy.

    What nonsense? At least the author fired from a machine gun, the "machine gun" target is usually placed at a distance of 350 meters and the KMB successfully copes with it.
    And the best sniper rifle is a tank. And so, the sniper is not part of the squad, but as a separate combat unit, he wins not with a super-duper rifle and a support group, but first of all with the secrecy of the shot and the SVD allows you to make an accurate shot and up to 600 meters is guaranteed, a lot depends on cartridges. And where can you find a target at a greater distance, if the direct line of sight in normal conditions of our area does not exceed a kilometer.
    1. 0
      17 March 2023 21: 45
      And the best second number of a sniper pair is a course machine gun.
  7. +1
    17 March 2023 07: 10
    . A 30-kilogram transport and launch container and missiles are very difficult for two fighters

    Does the author of TPK and PU not distinguish?

    A sniper is a tool, it must be created, kept ready, able to use it. Just like any other tool.
    1. +1
      18 March 2023 11: 27
      The fact of the matter is that the author demonstrates a certain approach to business. He does not believe in the possibility of preparation, but has his own beliefs of "what works". It's useless to argue and even think about stuffing him because life is different. Completely different factors can "shoot" in it at a particular moment, but in general, it is certainly necessary to invest in both equipment and technology (people).
      KMK's criticism of "hype Lobaev" is not based on the benefit of the case, but on doubt about the feasibility of plans and ... some envy if they come true. This is all from the strip of stupid capitalism in which the Russian Federation allowed itself to get stuck.
  8. +6
    17 March 2023 08: 24
    )))
    The author, of course, said
    only an infantry sniper and a machine gunner are capable of conducting aimed fire at a distance of up to 300-400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy.
    - the figures are correct for the 60s, SVD and AK-47 with an open sight. A marine with an M27 can be an unpleasant surprise, even more so with an MTR with a 6,5 ​​cartridge. But the main pathos of the article is true: shooting for 3 kilometers is a circus, and here you need to start not with the weight of rifles, but directly with home-made cartridges, all components of which cartridges are imported. This is a fairly widely discussed thesis.
  9. +3
    17 March 2023 10: 06
    The author is very far not only from the NSD in the shooting business, but also from, if not combat, but shooting practice. And although the first is excusable, like the lack of experience in normal infantry service, ignoring the mass of information that comes from the NVO zone simply makes you spread your arms from reading this article.
    As for the conclusions of the author and other colleagues in favor of anti-tank systems and tanks, and even MLRS instead of a heavy sniper, for some reason a spherical horse is taken in a vacuum - the abundance of these funds and the complete absence of enemy fire on them, and most importantly, the ideal conditions for their use .
    Illustrative examples:
    -How long does it take to, under equal conditions, detect and suppress with fire a sniper pair located in a forest belt and firing at a distance of 1-1,5 km, an ATGM crew and a tank? Obviously, snipers will be more difficult to calculate and suppress, unlike a tank or anti-tank systems, which will be illuminated at least after the first shot, but against the Grad package everyone will suffer equally, but on a sniper, unlike a tank, he may be sorry.
    - a battle in a targeted point, where it is not easy to drive the tank, so that it is not immediately burned, or it does not run into a landmine, and enemy snipers and machine gunners will immediately work on the anti-tank systems, even before the operator brings the missile to the target;
    - We won’t particularly analyze the MLRS, since we don’t have them, firstly, under every bush, secondly, there are already a lot of targets for them in priority, in the third, no one canceled the dispersion ellipse, and where a sniper can support for a long time fire on an assault group, your own Grad will simply mix it up with the enemy’s position.
  10. +3
    17 March 2023 10: 12
    The weapon allows a standard cartridge to confidently hit targets at a distance of no more than 300-400 meters, which is quite acceptable for modern combat conditions.
    Not enough already.
    fire at a distance of up to 300-400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy.
    Americans massively equip their machine guns with sights with a decent magnification (4x for sure), which allows them to conduct aimed fire at 400 m.
    From military high-tech, a sniper only needs a good scope with a thermal imager.
    Wow! Not PSO-1.
    Therefore, the weapon is called anti-material - at a distance of 800 meters or more, you can only get out of it into an armored personnel carrier
    “Another “high-precision” caliber of 12,7x99 millimeters began to be produced in the mid-80s by a small American company McMillan Bros. The rifle was called the McMillan TAC-50 - today they are used by special units of the United States and Canada. In 2002, in Afghanistan, Canadian Arron Perry (Arron Perry) with a McMillan TAC-50 rifle hit the Mujahideen from a distance of 2526 yards (slightly more than 2,3 thousand meters), thereby breaking Hathcock's long-term record. "
    1. -1
      17 March 2023 13: 06
      Perry's record was broken, and repeatedly .... And, as far as I know, the shooters failed to repeat these shots ...
      Probably, it is worth talking about the guaranteed defeat of selected targets ... this is much more valuable!
      1. +2
        17 March 2023 15: 30
        Quote: saygon66
        Perry's record was broken, and repeatedly....
        The mention of this record was given to show that at a distance of 800 m from a sniper rifle with a sniper cartridge it is possible to hit a target that is significantly more modest than an armored personnel carrier, since even in combat conditions (not at a shooting range) it was possible to shoot a person at a distance of 2 s hacom km.
    2. 0
      17 March 2023 13: 21
      The current record of 2475 meters is Craig Harrison, also in Afghanistan.
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 14: 57
        This record has also been surpassed. The current world record for successful live fire range is 3540 meters, held by a member of Canada's Joint Task Force 2 in Iraq in 2017. 12,7mm rifle. belay
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        1. 0
          19 March 2023 16: 14
          Quote: Alexey Anfimov
          NOT more than 5,5 - 6 km ( 1 ), i.e. accordingly, for firing already at a distance of 2 - 750 meters, the elevation angle of the rifle barrel should be about 3 degrees

          Not at all. The trajectory is not symmetrical and bends down steeper than it rises. VLD bullets have very interesting parameters. Yes, for more than 2 km you need a mechanism for tilting the sight in the bracket, since a hundred thousandths of travel may not be enough. You can also mill the misaligned bracket so that the sight is to the left of the barrel. This is even more comfortable with hefty 12,7mm bullpup receivers, especially if the bolt recoil is over the shoulder rest, as you don't have to tilt your head to the right to reach the eyepiece.
    3. +3
      17 March 2023 15: 43
      Arron Perry with a McMillan TAC-50 rifle hit a Mujahideen from a distance of 2526 yards
      Did he hit exactly the one he was aiming at? ;)
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 16: 23
        We will never know. But as the saying goes: "skills are nothing if they are not accompanied by luck" laughing
      2. +1
        17 March 2023 17: 13
        There, in general, some kind of muddy story ... an article in Maclean's magazine (Maclean's)
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  11. 0
    17 March 2023 16: 27
    strange comparison. they forgot to compare the ammunition of the ptura and sniper rifles, as well as the cost of a shot. and also - flight time to the target and the probability of detecting / hitting the shooter
  12. +1
    17 March 2023 18: 06
    Article "If we take combined arms combat as an example, then only an infantry sniper and a machine gunner are capable of conducting aimed fire at a distance of up to 300–400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy."
    The author would like to ask the question why this is happening))) 300-400 meters for submachine gunners and machine gunners.???? How did it happen that in caliber 5 * 45 and 7.62 * 54, SVD and PKM with a machine gun up to 500 meters have the same flatness, but the snipers from the article mentioned in the general military battle can only work confidently ??? There is an answer, and these are sights installed on the entire spectrum of weapons, where, first of all, they put optical sights with a magnification of at least 4, and collimators go like extras .. Of course, the world does not stand still and there are already collimators with a magnification equal to 4, that is, our PSO has a 4-fold multiplicity, for a sniper, and for the supastats, ordinary submachine gunners are sharpened to counteract against SVD with PSO 4. So are new rifles more long-range needed ???
    In NATO, in general, machine guns are 70% all with sights, consider a sniper with the firepower of a platoon of submachine gunners, but what about us ???
    The whole world in the military-industrial complex is busy pushing its enemy at a distance from its soldiers, from small arms to missile systems. Only there, over the hill, they understand that it is expensive for attack aircraft to switch to new calibers en masse, and therefore they use to the maximum what they have massively with the help of equipping their machine guns.
    Here lies the answer to the question of how to deal with drones - you first need to detect them - it is impossible to do this with an ordinary eye, and even more so to hit with small arms when you do not see the target. Can sights on automatic weapons help to do this, well, if the drone hangs up to 200 meters, then 4 is enough, and then you need stronger optics !!
    All these articles about snipers "need not needed" and everything and everything else, only because of the simple poverty of our countries, instead of a soldier hitting a target at a distance, he is forced to pour fire in advance towards the enemy. And the most ridiculous thing is that in response he is often forced to do this, which means that they shoot first at him, and not he at them.
    1. +2
      17 March 2023 20: 50
      Can sights on automatic weapons help to do this, well, if the drone hangs up to 200 meters, then 4 is enough, and then you need stronger optics !!
      Only here there is one feature called "Field of View", and the higher the magnification of the sight, the smaller the area of ​​\u4b\uXNUMXbspace that you see. Therefore, a flying drone, without external target designation in a sight with a magnification of XNUMX or more, can only be detected by chance.
  13. +1
    17 March 2023 18: 28
    There is no universal thing in war, somewhere one is better somewhere else, but it is desirable to have a bullet at least in a platoon for 1 km
  14. +1
    17 March 2023 18: 44
    In the Great Patriotic War there were anti-tank guns. When all the equipment was destroyed, they became one of the weapons that destroyed the tanks.

    Powerful weapons are needed to break through armored vehicles
    1. +1
      17 March 2023 19: 40
      Ouch! Except as an excerpt from art movie, do not confirm the story about "all the equipment was destroyed" then "the tanks were destroyed" [with guns]?
  15. 0
    17 March 2023 18: 54
    Near - SVD \ machine gun.
    A tank taxis further than any sniper.
  16. 0
    17 March 2023 19: 13


    I think the Pentagon is carefully studying the experience of the current war. Not only anti-tank systems, but cheap commercial drones with grenades compete with the modern sniper, and they also get it in the trenches, against which the sniper is powerless.
  17. 0
    17 March 2023 20: 32
    Long-range calibers do not have such seriality (and hence prices) ....... 338cal has a chance to become massive. Therefore, no one will arm the armies ..... these are the weapons of specialists who need to be taught and trained regularly. For ATGM. Operator training is cheaper and automation works
  18. -1
    17 March 2023 20: 42
    Custom article Lobaevsky PR. One has no conscience at all. The other has a brain.
  19. +2
    17 March 2023 20: 42
    SVD - 300,400 meters? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? 700-800 maybe?
    1. 0
      18 March 2023 09: 22
      Gross barrels and cartridges in SVD, I shot quite a lot from it - accordingly, it depends on the optics of the barrel and cartridge, at 500 I confidently hit (at the training ground) with Zeiss optics and took a sniper cartridge, I don’t remember the manufacturer, red packaging. Plus, after firing 500 rounds, maintenance matters, we cleaned with a regular HP, and I cleaned using 4 special tools.
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  20. +2
    17 March 2023 23: 56
    Better to have and not need than to need and not have.
  21. 0
    18 March 2023 00: 01
    From a subjective point of view, it makes no sense to go above .338LM caliber (1500-1800 meters) for many reasons. One of them, as correctly noted, is the preparation of a couple. Time, money (a lot of time and money). The second is ammunition. Factory ammunition for 375 Cheytak, 408 Cheytak, etc. in Russia they do not manufacture and do not plan to. Sleeves, for example, we do not make our own. The same Lobaev reloads these cartridges at home, conditionally, piece by piece. The capsule on them is also imported. Gunpowder is domestic, but it is far from ideal and is not stable from party to party.
    Summing up, .338LM, and then ATGM, mortar, BMP cannon.
    1. +1
      18 March 2023 01: 35
      Quote: FRoman1984
      above .338LM caliber (1500-1800 meters) it makes no sense to go

      Now they are already moving back from .338. Ranges in the region of 1000+ give .300 Win Mag and the corresponding ballistics, but in size 7,62 NATO cartridge 6,5 Creedmoor. As for the cartridge for shooting at a mile and at 2 kilometers, this issue is being discussed - primarily in the context of whether this should be done at all.
      1. 0
        April 18 2023 07: 03
        Quote: Negro
        Quote: FRoman1984
        above .338LM caliber (1500-1800 meters) it makes no sense to go

        Now they are already moving back from .338. Ranges in the region of 1000+ give .300 Win Mag and the corresponding ballistics, but in size 7,62 NATO cartridge 6,5 Creedmoor. As for the cartridge for shooting at a mile and at 2 kilometers, this issue is being discussed - primarily in the context of whether this should be done at all.

        Yes, 300WM kilometer ammunition and 6.5 Creedmoor at this distance are quite. But! Neither 300WM nor 6.5CM cartridges are produced in Russia. And 338LM are being produced, and even armor-piercing "Rapier" began to appear. And imported Lapua are imported in spite of everything. I have not heard that they are leaving 338 somewhere. On the contrary, it just stuck.
  22. +2
    18 March 2023 00: 13
    A sniper bullet has a speed advantage over a ptur, it is harder to shoot it down. But for shooting at sniper targets, for example at manpower, this is not a problem in the sense that it is unlikely that every enemy fighter has personal air defense to knock out missiles flying at him personally. Therefore, a sniper with a light pturs could well replace a regular sniper.

    What I mean? Something like this for example:


    At the same time, given that the sniper target is not a tank, you can think of a sniper caliber pturce, for example, 20 millimeters. Then he could have a long range, and one hundred percent hit at distances significantly exceeding any modern sniper distances and much more power, with a very light weight. Death of generals, officers and armored personnel carriers.
    Despite the fact that he directs himself in the picture, the sniper fired and left instantly from the place of the shot. Such a pturs can be very light. If my memory serves me right, then the bassoon 96 mm and 2.5 km weighed 18 kg, and this is the weight of modern sniper rifles. And a 20 mm ptours for 10 km with self-guided photographs can be even lighter, it has a smaller caliber, which means less air resistance, less weight of the striking element, which means that with the same fuel supply it can fly much farther.

    And this pturs can be made to drag the robot, and the sniper can see the picture from the drone, make decisions and fire shots while drinking tea in a safe shelter, something like this:

    1. +2
      18 March 2023 01: 30
      Quote from Viktior Vinland
      At the same time, given that the sniper target is not a tank, you can think about a sniper caliber pturce, for example, 20 millimeters

      It is impossible to create an anti-tank missile in such a caliber, the diameter is too small for a cumulative funnel.

      But people are working in this direction. Only not 20mm but 40mm. To launch, a conventional grenade launcher is used.

      https://topwar.ru/117526-malogabaritnaya-upravlyaemaya-raketa-raytheon-pike-ssha.html
      1. +1
        18 March 2023 02: 09
        Yes, that's exactly what I meant, for typical sniper tasks, that is, personnel, lightly armored vehicles, such targets. That is, we compare such a smart small-caliber pturs with a sniper rifle, and not, for example, with anti-tank weapons.

        And I didn’t mention anti-tank grenade launchers, I’m not familiar with this topic.

        This, in my opinion, may be of interest to small-caliber pturs, it seems to be much more effective than modern heavy sniper rifles, while having a comparable weight.
        1. +1
          19 March 2023 16: 23
          Quote from Viktior Vinland
          , for typical sniper tasks, i.e. personnel, lightly armored vehicles

          The main problem with such a rocket is its price. Yes, if the customer is a PMC who asks for a cheaper one, with a 90 percent chance of firing and a 50 percent hit, and if the army, then getting 99 percent reliability will cost almost like a 150mm rocket, or rather more expensive, since the main components: GOS, steering gears , the processor is the same or even more expensive because it is more miniature, and the BB is lost in weight against their background.
          And also such an ATGM will be an ideal "official-boy" to destroy armored limousines and other hiding places of corrupt officials. Yes, and he can go around the 9-meter fence of an elite village from above. Such a weapon will significantly change the political map of the world, or drive corrupt officials underground forever, so that they will not stick out of the ground at all, stretch their metro lines from elite villages to ... in general, the dystopia will be interesting.
      2. +2
        18 March 2023 03: 13
        Thanks for the article, it mentions the shortcomings of laser guidance, but if you transfer a photograph to the pturs and recognize the target on it and correct the trajectory, then you can get absolute accuracy by shooting beyond the horizon at a moving target.
  23. +3
    18 March 2023 10: 44
    Eugene!
    You, this... Either stop drinking or write... Another option is, of course, to study the subject. Only now, according to my observations, there are fewer and fewer "readers" among the "writers" in VO.
    Well, let's take a look at some of your blunders:
    -
    In the Soviet Union, and later in Russia, the main sniper rifle of the motorized infantry was and is the SVD. The weapon allows a standard cartridge to confidently hit targets at a distance of no more than 300-400 meters,

    I dare to say that a well-trained sniper confidently works from the SVD at a target of the "chest figure" type at ranges up to 500 m. According to the "growth" figure - about 700 m. This is a "standard" cartridge for a sniper 7N1 / 7N14;
    -
    Training a successful "Marxman" does not require large investments and takes no more than six months.

    The criterion of "success" of this notorious "Marxman" the author did not indicate. Forgotten or never knew - unknown. Therefore, we will define such a criterion on our own. And such a criterion, in the context of only fire training, will be the defeat of a target of the "head figure" type at a distance of 300 m. An average military man with basic shooting skills, with a properly set training process, needs to "train" no more than 1,5- 2 months.
    -
    From military high-tech, a sniper only needs a good scope with a thermal imager.

    And what kind of device is this - a "sight with a thermal imager" - I dare to inquire? Something like "priests with a pen"? Or is it so ornately the author called the thermal imaging sight?
    -
    The problem is in the very concept of self-loading, when the moving parts of the weapon affect the accuracy of the shot.

    A set of terminological errors and common cliches imposed on the so-called. "mosaic knowledge". There is no "self-loading concept". The moving parts themselves, within the framework of the automation schemes used in sniper weapons, do not affect the accuracy of the shot.
    -
    Here expensive bolt-action rifles are needed, and the sniper team already consists of at least two people. Cartridges are usually 7,62x67mm (.300 Winchester Magnum) or 8,6x70mm (.338 Lapua Magnum). A typical example is the Russian ORSIS T-5000 and SV-98.

    The mentioned SV-98 has a caliber of 7,62 mm and uses a cartridge of 7,62 × 54. The 300WM cartridge in units of the RF Armed Forces and other structures is less common than a solid sign in the entire article written by the author.
    -
    Found their place in modern warfare and the so-called anti-material rifles. The weapon gained fame due to the American self-loading Barrett. With accuracy, everything is not very good here, but the power of the 12,7 × 99 mm cartridge (.50 BMG) more than covers this shortcoming. Therefore, the weapon is called anti-material - at a distance of 800 meters or more, you can only get out of it into an armored personnel carrier.

    How can the "power" of a cartridge cover the lack of accuracy? As far as I know, HE shells to compensate for a possible miss in the .50BMG caliber have not yet been created. As for the fables, "at a distance of 800 meters you can only get into a tank / bir / mainland, etc." there is no point in even commenting. Today, there are a lot of 50-caliber ammunition that provides high accuracy. Even very high. The closest and most understandable example is the 7N34 cartridge.
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    In Russia, the most famous and, perhaps, the only manufacturer of such products is Lobaev Arms. The famous line of DXL-3 "Retribution", DXL-4M "Sevastopol", DXL-5 "Ravager" and the technological pinnacle of SVLK-14S "Dusk" ensure the defeat of the enemy at a distance of up to 2-800 meters. Outstanding results of outstanding weapons, no doubt.

    The author, among other things, is also a victim of Vladislav Evgenievich's intrusive advertising.
    -
    First of all, a very well trained pair of sniper and spotter is required. It will not be possible to master masterful shooting from the "Ravager" or "Sevastopol" in half a year of intensive practice - it takes a year, or even two.

    If you start from "absolute zero", then undoubtedly.
    It gets even worse, but there is no desire to comment on almost every phrase of the "writer's" fantasies.
    1. IVZ
      0
      18 March 2023 14: 09
      Everything is correct, but useless. At all.
  24. +1
    18 March 2023 18: 05
    Here is a video



    They mention 2500 meters there and the need for a new rifle.
    So, the offer of a light pturs for sniper tasks, for example in 20 mm caliber, with target designation, in which, for example, a small sniper drone finds a target, sends its coordinates and a photo, which are then loaded into the pturs and its video camera or thermal imager and processor on the final part of the trajectory themselves accurately bring the ATGM to the target, carrying out the accurate defeat of moving targets at distances over 10 km, which I mentioned, on the one hand, is relevant, and on the other, conceptually significantly superior to potential American developments.
    They say that such a bullet may allegedly be cheaper than an ATGM, but two remarks can be made on this, firstly, such a small-caliber ATGM will be so much superior to the American design that one can talk about a different type of weapon. And secondly, if you rely on the local raw materials and technical base, on our good engineers and remove thieves from the leadership of our country, then it is not yet known who will get it cheaper. Most likely it will turn out not only better, but also cheaper. And then it will be possible to introduce the mass use of the new sniper complex sniper drone plus sniper pturs, without calling in artillery or aircraft to quickly destroy hostile leading personnel and other sniper targets, while not endangering our military personnel.
    In addition, they have been developing this for many years and may not demonstrate any concrete success in the near future, while such a small-caliber pturs with target recognition from its image and with homing is conceptually very simple in the sense that it already has all the necessary knowledge, technology and competent intellectual forces capable of quickly and efficiently implementing the project.

    With the further possibility of robotization, and the installation of this smart bird on a remote controlled platform, a scooter or a dog like Boston Dynamics, there are already photos of this dog with a sniper rifle on his back, I think the trend is clear.
    Here is a video from unknown inventors:




    I think it's a good idea, especially in light of current events and trends.
  25. +1
    19 March 2023 03: 38
    Indeed, as many commentators note, the author is 20 years behind the times. Let's start with the fact that, as they correctly note, a long-range sniper is also reconnaissance, observation, and adjustment. Not as many drones are solved. Teplaks are a good thing, but they are not universal, there are tactical patterns to counter them, camouflage methods that are easier for a single or a pair of snipers to solve than an infantry squad. Thirdly, why is there such a low accuracy "from two kilometers only an armored personnel carrier"? With 2800, the standard target of 50 by 50 cm was hit ten years ago. And now they are shooting. Moreover, 15 years ago, a distance of 1800 meters was considered a record, and now the Ukrainian army is totally armed with rifles with an average firing range of 1600 meters. The program for such armament of the UA has been carried out since 2016. And here the point is that such rifles in Western countries, as well as cartridges for them, and ballistic computers are sold as sporting weapons. This facilitated their acquisition and import to Ukraine. There are a lot of manufacturers of such anti-material rifles in the West. Well, Russia, as usual, runs mainly with SVD and its average ceiling of 800 meters. Lobaev is too piece copy to fill the army. The calculations of such sniper pairs are used specifically for sniper shooting, mainly in static sectors of the front. In the same Ugledar opposite Pavlovka is a great place. Put such a rifle in the slot of an unfinished window of a five-story building and no heatpack will find you. Enemy nightmare. Well, from tanks that can take out this window, you can put ATGMs in the neighboring windows, which they did, in fact. The goals of such a sniper in enemy trenches viewed from his fourth or fifth floor will be heaps: including ATGMs, machine gun emplacements, etc. He won’t get it himself, so he will bring small art. So the doubt about the needs of such people as heavy snipers from the author seems to be the result of insufficient penetration into the issue.
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  26. -1
    19 March 2023 14: 31
    I QUOTE the author: "The famous line (sniper rifles) DXL-3 "Retribution" ( 1 ), DXL-4M "Sevastopol" ( 2 ), DXL-5 "Ravager" ( 4
    ) and the technological pinnacle - SVLK-14S "Dusk" (5) ensure the defeat (soldiers) of the enemy at a distance of up to 2–800 meters "...
    EXPLANATION "for dummies":
    Bullets of rifles and machine guns with a barrel elevation angle of 45 degrees are potentially capable of flying to a maximum ballistic range of NOT more than 5,5 - 6 km ( 1 ), i.е. accordingly, for firing already at a distance of 2 - 750 meters, the elevation angle of the rifle barrel should be about 3 degrees ( 000 ), and the aiming line (and the axis of the sight) should be strictly horizontal ( 22 ) and should pass THROUGH exactly NOT transparent the barrel having an elevation angle of 5 degrees ( 2 ), and the neck of the sniper shooter should be LONG ( ! ! ! ), approximately like a "horse" ( 3 ), so that the butt rests on the shoulder joint ( A ), and the eye and the head were near the eyepiece of the optical sight (B).
    SIMPLY PUT:
    You can write and promise anything on the Internet, ALLEGEDLY a certain shooter from some unique rifle shot as far as 4 meters and ALLEGEDLY even hit the target, but alas (! ! ! ), you can’t argue against logic in any way ...
    At a distance of 2 - 800 meters (and even at 3 meters), you can shoot from an easel machine gun if you equip the tape with TRACERS, but alas, no one will provide guaranteed hitting targets ...
  27. +1
    19 March 2023 19: 32
    Something is wrong with the author's ranges.
    I had to shoot from the AKS-74. A lot of. Really a lot. I will say the following: you can freely hit the head at 400 meters, it’s another matter that it’s often not the first shot. Apparently, the author means this by the term “disturbing fire”.
    Regarding the SVD (on a regular PSO-1), I will say this: it is quite possible to work effectively at 600-800 meters.
    It’s another matter that it’s already difficult to detect a target, especially in summer. Plus enemy camouflage and other factors such as terrain, smoke, weather, etc.
    A controversial article, as for me. Comparing ATGMs and SKs is somehow not correct.
    In a word: a weapon is a tool, and for each work, applicable to given conditions and goals, you need your own. My humble opinion.
  28. +1
    20 March 2023 09: 06
    Is a "heavy" sniper needed in modern warfare
    Definitely yes! At least even for counter-sniper combat.
    And ATGMs and ATGMs are primarily designed to combat armored vehicles.
  29. 0
    27 March 2023 00: 42
    So. Give me a sec.
    ATGM is still ATGM.
    Sometimes he is an ersatz artillery.
    Now also a sniper???

    A heavy sniper at a distance of 2 km is a piece goods. And preferably not for combined arms operations.

    Marksmen with SVD and also with all sorts of KSVK - yes, they are needed. And the main bonus from a sniper is the possibility of covert work, which is not so easy to provide with missiles.

    I'll expand on the idea. Fuck your snipers, fuck your birds.
    You give massive cheap FPV so that you can carry a kilogram warhead very quickly for 3-4 km.
    And to make it cheap and fast - contact the modellers. A foam RC glider on a cheap two-stroke internal combustion engine is your ideal option.
    Wunderwaffe, fig.
    In short, all lancets and nothing else is needed. Yeah.

    Real life is somewhat more complicated.
  30. ric
    0
    April 29 2023 21: 53
    It is possible to prepare a sniper in 2-3 months and give him the very best weapons, and give him security with machine guns and drones.
    There would only be political will to shoot the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  31. 0
    2 May 2023 21: 26
    Why only Lobaev ... Yes, they are great, there are no questions for them. But there is also Orsis, and there is also Bespok Hans, but they are younger and not so hyped, but a promising company that makes very cool rifles ...
    The author has covered the topic very superficially.
  32. 0
    2 May 2023 21: 57
    They rarely shoot people at 2 km, the bullet flies for a long time, the target can move, plus the wind is hard to take into account. Even good snipers, with the best rifles, try to work up to 1,5 km.
    As one sniper who went through the second Chechen war said, what is the difference between an athlete and a sniper. The athlete tries to hit the most difficult target so that no one can repeat it and he becomes a champion, and the sniper tries to take a position from which he will not miss.
    But in terms of material values ​​that are static, they often work for 2 km. Let's say to hit the counter-battery station.
    The author does not understand well about anti-material rifles. Why is it from them that you can only get into an armored personnel carrier at 800 meters ...
    Both Western and domestic ones have better accuracy than SVDs, as a rule ... And Lobaevsky ones are much higher.
    Even from a barrett, even from a cord at 1000 - 1200 meters, you can work effectively on manpower.
    Anti-material, these are rifles of long range and high power, capable of effectively incapacitating material values ​​​​at a long range, as a rule, they have armor-piercing, and even armor-piercing cartridges ...
    Of course, they can knock out an armored personnel carrier, but in 99% of cases an armored personnel carrier will work better with a machine gun ...
    Such rifles are used for sabotage, simple pouring of a radar, hitting an air defense system, shooting a tank with gasoline / diesel fuel.
    At the same time, it is easier for a sniper to disguise a shot than for a machine gunner or an anti-tank crew, and you don’t need to carry a multi-kilogram ammo as a machine gun.
    This is not a mass weapon, but it has its own niche. As a rule, in addition to such a rifle, a sniper has another one, for solving ordinary problems ...
    Large-caliber high-precision rifles can often play the role of anti-materials, but as a rule they do not have special cartridges, and therefore are not so effective ... A sharp chiselled bronze bullet 0,375 will kill a soldier at 2 km, but will not pierce an armored personnel carrier and a fire in a fuel depot will not start .. .
  33. 0
    5 May 2023 23: 14
    Conclusion? but I will not write the conclusion. Although ... the best weapon of a sniper today is a remote video surveillance camera and communication with artillery. A rifle is only for self-defense.
  34. 0
    18 May 2023 00: 26
    Well .... what can I say ...
    just my couch opinion

    It was about a robotic complex
    well, everything has been invented for a long time already .. (well, at least in the movies wassat )

    So how



  35. 0
    22 May 2023 11: 16
    The total cost of the entire set of "heavy" sniper can be 3-4 million rubles! All this is started only to hit one, maximum two targets, after which the whole team has to change their location.


    "Heavy snipers" are, in any case, contract soldiers with extensive experience and seniority.
    Fire from ASVK 12,7mm can destroy anti-tank systems worth 50 - 100 thousand dollars, can disable radar, OTRK, air defense systems, MLRS, artillery and mortar crews, with a shot costing hundreds of rubles ....

    Sniper companies are almost entirely made up of contract soldiers, this is a "piece goods" like the weapons they work with.
    Modern class 5 bulletproof vests can withstand a shot from an SVD at a distance of a hundred meters, which forces snipers to switch to more powerful weapons - 7,62 × 67 mm (.300 Winchester Magnum) or 8,6 × 70 mm (.338 Lapua Magnum), which is only a couple of kilograms heavier than the SVD, but ensures guaranteed hitting of targets at a distance of 1-1,5 km.
    1. 0
      24 May 2023 14: 37
      In Chechnya, I have a sniper with an SVD, a conscript, in the first battle, hit an enemy sniper in the head from 800 m.
      And he was walking (from a position). But the truth is, he was already sure that he was out of the affected area.
  36. +1
    29 May 2023 18: 24
    "Is a "heavy" sniper needed in modern warfare" - needed. And "heavy" and "light" in general, anyone is needed.
  37. 0
    29 May 2023 19: 54
    Sniper work depends on the purpose and tasks, as well as the tactics of using snipers. The anti-role of sniper use is played by enemy artillery and their ability to counteract snipers. Who will win depends on the situation and skill, professionalism.
  38. 0
    1 June 2023 16: 38
    If we take combined arms combat as an example, then only an infantry sniper and a machine gunner are capable of conducting aimed fire at a distance of up to 300-400 meters. Machine gunners at such a distance can only disturb the enemy.

    strange conclusion about "anxiety"! in the USSR Armed Forces, a number of shooting exercises were at such distances to hit the "target", and not to "anxiety.
    where do these conclusions come from? probably from the same place where the conclusions about "moral" obsolescence come from.
    1. 0
      16 July 2023 08: 01
      Let's put it this way, it's really possible to work from a machine gun at 300-400 meters, especially 5,45-5,56 meters, because there is enough flatness ... Well, on a chest target somehow ...
      But in battle, as a rule, the target is the head figure, and even in camouflage ... It’s hard to see it, the target for the machine gun is only if it’s for good luck ... For a lying fighter or a fighter behind the parapet of a trench, further than 100-150 meters from a machine gun is not reliably hit ... Exercise training shooting from a machine gun while standing on the head figure - range 50 m ...
      At the same time, the code was worked out for the first time, no one got from the platoon. True, we shot from old AKMs, with 5,45 and a well-grounded collimator, I think it will be much easier, but you still need a skill ...
      If you really look at the shooting battles during the storming of the trenches, then shooting from 50 meters, or even less, goes ...
      So you can probably get to 500 meters, the only question is that you will waste BC in vain.
      If the RPK-74 is simple, without optics, then also work at 300-400 only on a growth figure, if "H", with optics, then you can work on a height up to 500-600 meters, up to 300 meters on the head calmly, a good machine gunner is still it will give the seaper a head start, especially if there are enough tracers to fully correct the queue, then a terrible thing ... If the target does not change position, then 2-3 short bursts are guaranteed to be enough.
  39. 0
    1 June 2023 17: 11
    A heavy sniper is not needed in a war. But their camouflage and target tracking skills are in demand. They should be retrained as artillery spotters and provided with direct communication with artillery in the rear.
    1. 0
      16 July 2023 07: 43
      Snipers do this all the time anyway.
      This is the direct task of the SPN - to identify targets and direct aircraft and artillery at them. And drones can not always be used either - the quadric will simply burn the location of the drg and the task will not be completed.
  40. 0
    16 July 2023 07: 40
    Such snipers are needed and they are in the special forces, but there are not many of them.
    No one shoots at 2-3 km, and there are no such distances and the chance of a miss is great. But up to 1,5 km they work. During full-scale battles, it’s really easier to get out of the tank ...
    Basically, snipers go with 338 and 375, and most likely soon 375 will become the main caliber.
    7,62 rifles will remain, as they have their own niche. The VSS will also remain, they are light and compact, although taking into account modern technologies for muffling the sound of a shot, even with a super-sonic cartridge, the role of the VSS in army units will fall, in non-army special anti-terror units they will be in demand for a long time.
    A sniper with 408 or 50 caliber, a rare and specific thing. Rifles for them are too healthy and are used very limitedly. And as a rule, this is not the first, or even not the second or third rifle, and the most rarely used.