Patriot air defense systems on their way to Ukraine: are these systems capable of affecting the course of the NWO

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Patriot air defense systems on their way to Ukraine: are these systems capable of affecting the course of the NWO

On March 10, Russian media, citing the Financial Times newspaper reported that Ukraine allegedly received one of two Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems (SAMs) promised by the United States and Germany, but has not yet put it into operation. As a result, this information turned out to be unreliable, because after some time the Financial Times journalists made corrections to the material and made a clarification in the footnote below - “the initially reported information that Ukraine had already received the first Patriot system does not correspond to reality.”

The material in the English newspaper itself was a bit different: it said that Ukraine needed modern air defense systems, since those Russian missiles that were shot down over Ukraine were mainly subsonic cruise missiles, while high-velocity and ballistic missiles, including "Daggers" always hit targets. Because the Ukrainian Air Force does not have the ability to shoot them down. Appeals in the spirit of “give Ukrainians more modern weapons” can often be found in materials on the pages of the Western media, this has already become commonplace.



According to the Financial Times journalists, Ukraine's air defense has improved markedly over the past year, but it still lacks ground-to-air capabilities to intercept fast-moving ballistic missiles, primarily Kinzhals. In general, the English newspaper praised the Kinzhal missile, but they did not understand why it was used to strike at the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.

The Kinzhal is a scarce and highly sophisticated ballistic missile designed to overcome the most advanced air defense systems. It can fly at 10 times the speed of sound. This is one of the few specialized systems that would require NATO, in the event of a clash with Russia, to be careful about how it decides to use them… Using precious sophisticated weapons to strike infrastructure when weaker weapons could be used , confusing",

- writes the edition.

So, the Patriot air defense system is not yet in Ukraine, but there is no doubt that it will appear there soon. And it is designed to shoot down ballistic missiles and aircraft.

How effective is this complex? And how much can he influence the course of a special military operation? These questions will be discussed in this article.

SAM Patriot: the first experience of use


The first Patriot air defense systems were deployed by the US Air Force in the mid-80s. The Patriot was one of the first theatre-of-war (TOD) air defense systems designed to defend U.S. troops and U.S. allies stationed overseas against short-range missiles.

Developments in this area were spurred on by the experience of the 1991 Gulf War. During this conflict, Iraq fired up to 88 Al-Hussein missiles at cities and military bases in Israel and Saudi Arabia. Al-Hussein was a modified Scud-type missile with a range of approximately 600 km, a small conventional warhead, and extremely low accuracy [1].

The first of the theater missile defense systems - the Patriot complex in the PAC-2 variant, designed to equip the US Ground Forces - by the time the Iraqis invaded Kuwait in 1990, had just begun to enter service. The pace of production was accelerated, and the complexes were rushed to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia: they arrived just in time to intercept 44 of the missiles launched by the Iraqis (the rest were too far off course, and there was no point in destroying them) [1].

During the course of the war, the Patriot was touted as a highly effective weapon, which may have been part of the reason Israel stayed out of the conflict. In fact, the Iraqi Scuds were too fast and (accidentally) too maneuverable for PAC-2 missiles, and most of the interceptions were unsuccessful [2].

The unsuccessful experience of using the Patriot complex during the 1991 Gulf War contributed to the fact that the Americans modified this complex. In particular, the PAC-2 variant used a radar-guided interceptor missile with a conventional warhead, and was originally developed for air defense missions, but was subsequently modified, as a result of which it received a new warhead and fuse for use against ballistic missiles. After 1991, the Patriot air defense system in general and the PAC-2 anti-missile in particular underwent a series of significant upgrades.

In addition, in 2001, the US Army began to receive a new anti-missile PAC-3. This interceptor missile, specifically designed for missile defense missions, has a smaller size, greater maneuverability, range and height reach than the PAC-2, and it is equipped with a contact-strike warhead [1].

It gave results. For example, during the war with Iraq in 2003, the Iraqi Armed Forces launched 9 Scuds at the positions of the Americans and their allies, and all of them were shot down.

Modern modernization of the Patriot complex and its characteristics



In 2002, the only massive land-based air defense systems in the US armed forces (BC) were the Patriot PAC-3 long-range air defense systems and the Stinger MANPADS. At the same time, the only short-range means were FIM-92 missiles from Stinger MANPADS, and they were used from various platforms: Stinger MANPADS (MANPADS, Man-ponable air-defense system), short-range air defense systems M1097 Avenger, infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) air defense M2 Bradley, universal launchers MML (Multi-Mission Launcher) [3].

At the moment, the Patriot complex remains the main air defense system against a wide range of air targets at medium and high altitudes. In addition to this, the Patriot air defense system plays the role of a ballistic missile interceptor. The Patriot air defense system includes air interception missiles and a multifunctional radar subsystem. At the moment, an improved version of this air defense system is being operated - the Patriot PAC-3, which was put into service in 2001. The AN/MPQ-53 multifunctional radar is used in the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system for detecting, tracking and illuminating targets, tracking missiles and transmitting commands to them [3].

The main performance characteristics (TTX) of the AN / MPQ-53 radar are as follows:

– operating wavelength 5,5–6,7 cm (4–6 GHz);
– view sector in search mode: in azimuth from +45° to –45°;
- detection range: with EPR targets: 0,1 m² (small UAVs or missile warhead) - 70 km; 0,5 m² (medium UAVs - missile) - 100 km; 1,5 m² (large UAV or fighter) - 130 km; 10 m² (bomber) - 180 km;
- the number of simultaneously tracked targets - up to 125;
- maximum speed of tracked targets - 2 m / s;
- target detection time - 8-10 seconds.


In 2017, the Patriot air defense system began to undergo a large-scale modernization program under the PBD8 (Post-Deployment Build 8) project, and by 2019, 2/3 of the complexes in service with the US BC have already undergone modernization. The main modernization works include the replacement of the radar with a new multifunctional station AN / MPQ-65A and the transition to digital signal processing. This will ensure an increase in the detection range of air defense systems up to 230–240 km, as well as increase the noise immunity of the radar. About this, in particular, "Military Review" Reported in August 2019 of the year.

The main means of defeating the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system is the MIM-104 ZUP. The maximum firing range of this missile at a ballistic target is 20 kilometers, and at an aerodynamic target 80 kilometers (minimum 3 km), the maximum height of the target is 24-25 km, the maximum speed of the air targets hit is 1 m / s.

Modern experience in the use of Patriot air defense systems



September 2019 attack drones at one of the world's largest oil refineries, Abqaiq in eastern Saudi Arabia caused a lot of media noise because the Patriot and Hawk systems could not cope with the UAVs. This allowed, among other things, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to criticize the low efficiency of the American Patriot air defense systems, which could not repel an attack on the Saudis' largest oil facilities.

As Doctor of Technical Sciences Sergey Makarenko notes in his monograph “Counteraction to Unmanned Aerial Vehicles”, the negative experience of the combat use of the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system against UAVs during their attack on September 14, 2019 of oil refineries in Abqaiq and Khurais in Saudi Arabia showed that that these air defense systems have extremely low effectiveness against small-sized low-flying UAVs [3].

But the fact is that the Patriot air defense system is not designed to destroy drones. "Patriot" must first of all provide protection against enemy bombers and operational-tactical missiles. As noted by the same S. Makarenko, the characteristics of the radar of this air defense system do not allow detecting and tracking small-sized UAVs at a long range with high reliability.

Small-sized UAVs are, in principle, a problem for any air defense system, including the Russian one. For example, the results of field tests of the same Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system demonstrate that firing missile weapons at small-sized UAVs is practically impossible, and the Strela-10MZ air defense system turned out to be capable of hitting obsolete mini-UAVs only in daytime conditions with low efficiency [3].

Patriot air defense systems are purchased from the United States mainly not to combat drones. Taiwan, in particular, purchased these systems from the Americans for the reason that the Patriot PAK-3 air defense system is capable of firing not only at aerodynamic targets, but also at missile warheads in a passive flight path (at the fall stage). Given the modern equipment of this complex, its radar is quite capable of detecting launches of ballistic and other missiles not only from the territory of the DPRK (under the pretext that North Korea had nuclear missiles, these systems were sold to Taiwan), but also from neighboring China.

As for aircraft and ballistic missiles, here the Patriot air defense system has proven itself relatively well. So, according to open sources, in September 2014, the Israeli Patriot air defense system shot down a Syrian Su-24 bomber that flew into the Israeli-occupied territory of the Golan Heights, and in October 2017, a Saudi Arabian Patriot shot down a ballistic missile with a range of 750 kilometers launched by the Houthis near the Riyadh metropolitan airport.

To what extent will the Patriot complexes affect the military conflict in Ukraine?


Now let's consider the main question - how much can the Patriot complexes affect the course of the military conflict in Ukraine?

It should be emphasized right away that this complex has not been tested against the Russian Kinzhal ballistic missiles, and the Americans themselves do not know how effective it will be.

In particular, the coordinator for strategic communications at the US National Security Council, John Kirby, noted in an interview with CNN that the American anti-aircraft missile system will not help Ukraine repel Russian cruise missile attacks.

“Patriot is really designed to fight ballistic missiles. It is not as effective against cruise missiles and certainly cannot be effective against drones.”

he said, adding that the ability to repel attacks with hypersonic missiles is "limited."

That is, with a high probability, Patriot air defense systems will not be very effective against Russian missiles. However, even if we assume that the effectiveness of these air defense against missiles will be high, then two Patriot systems will be able to close the sky only over a very limited area, for example, over part of Kyiv.

Where will the Patriot air defense system pose a greater threat to the Russian aviation, however, taking into account the fact that the Russian Air Force has not been able to gain air supremacy in Ukraine, and the number of sorties of our aircraft and helicopters is already limited (mostly they strike directly on the front lines), it is unlikely that two complexes somehow seriously affect the situation.

Quite often one can come across the opinion that the United States is delaying the transfer of the Patriot air defense system to Kiev, because they are afraid that it may end up in the hands of the Russian army, but it has nothing to do with reality. At the end of last year, Mikhail Khodarenok, a military observer for Gazeta.Ru, rightly noted that the Patriot is a weapon far from the front line, and its starting positions will most likely be located deep in the rear of the Ukrainian army, for example, on the cover of Kiev or objects on Pravoberezhnaya Ukraine.

“To capture the Patriot in this case, it is necessary to carry out almost a front-line offensive operation, but even in this case, success is far from obvious. In any case, not a single M142 HIMARS combat vehicle has yet fallen into the hands of the Russian military, what can we say about the Patriot air defense system, ”

- noted expert. Moreover, Khodarenok expressed doubt that the Russian Armed Forces would be able to destroy this complex, given that this is a highly mobile system, and it will most likely not be in the same position for a long time.

Summing up, we can state that the presence of two Patriot air defense systems in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although it will strengthen Ukrainian air defense, will not seriously affect the overall situation in the zone of military operation.

References.
[1]. Missile defense: confrontation or cooperation? / ed. A. Arbatov and V. Dvorkin; Moscow Carnegie Center. - M.: Russian Political Encyclopedia (ROSSPEN), 2012.
[2]. See Lewis GN, Postol T. Video Evidence on the Effectiveness of Patriot during the 1991 Gulf War // Science and Global Security. - 1993. - Vol. 4. - No. 1. - P. 1–64.
[3]. Makarenko S. I. Counteraction to unmanned aerial vehicles. Monograph. - St. Petersburg: Science-intensive technologies, 2020.
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  1. -5
    14 March 2023 04: 09
    sector of view in search mode: in azimuth from +45° to -45°
    ;
    The fundamental flaw of this system.
    Surely some of the operators will be from American advisers ... these Patriots with the Americans should be the primary target.
  2. -2
    14 March 2023 04: 12
    All large non-vertical mortar-launched air defense missiles suck!
    1. +1
      14 March 2023 23: 02
      This principle of launching missiles (vertical launch from TPK) is determined by the principle of guidance. On the on-load tap-changer, in addition to the main antenna, there are two additional ones that form a capture matrix in the area of ​​​​the missile launch at a height of 20-50 meters. SAM should hit it during launch. This matrix inclines the missile in the direction in which the missile operates.

      Vertical launch is provided by guidance methods, not tactical preferences. In conditions mass use by the enemy of the SVKN, not only your own divisional radar can work, but also the radar of your neighbors. And there is no longer up to the angular coordinates.
      1. 0
        16 May 2023 19: 55
        With a vertical launch, one rocket is aimed in any direction, 360 degrees. In Patriot, one missile can only be aimed at a 90-degree sector, that is, 4 S-300 missiles replace 16 Patriot missiles, and 16 S-300 missiles shoot down 4 times more targets than 16 Patriot missiles.
        By the way, the Patriots are already in Kyiv, and, by the way, have already shot back.
  3. +2
    14 March 2023 05: 16
    The very presence of the complex in Ukraine will already limit the use of aviation and possibly the Kyrgyz Republic. For some reason, the United States has focused on the "Dagger", but the "Iskander" has not yet been tried, but an attack using boat targets. Let's see how it goes. However, IRIST received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the summer, not yet destroyed. There was information about the destruction of NASAMS and the entire complex or some part is not yet known
    1. -1
      16 May 2023 20: 03
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      The very presence of the complex in Ukraine will already limit the use of aviation and possibly the Kyrgyz Republic. For some reason, the United States has focused on the "Dagger", but the "Iskander" has not yet been tried, but an attack using decoys. Let's see how it all works out. However, the IRIST received by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the summer has not yet been destroyed. There was information about the destruction of NASAMS and the entire complex or some part is not yet known

      So far, they have demonstrated the Dagger, which is aimed primarily at Europe, and all the Patriot can do is frantically shoot the entire ammunition load into milk. All US assurances turned out to be a complete fake, the Patriot is easily destroyed by the Dagger, not to mention the inability to cover anything else from the Dagger. If they decide to reload it (gee), then the next step may be the destruction of the Patriot Geranium. Something like a Geranium flew into a Saudi Arabian oil plant with no problem, if you haven't forgotten about it, and the Patriot didn't even bat an eyelid. Now it would be necessary to dump him to the end in shit.
  4. +2
    14 March 2023 05: 26
    Nothing is said about the minimum heights of detection and destruction.

    At what height will it detect and shoot down a cruise missile?
    1. +3
      14 March 2023 06: 56
      The minimum height of hitting targets is 60 meters. But a cruise missile travels most of the way at altitudes of several kilometers, so this is not such a problem.
    2. +3
      14 March 2023 17: 56
      Quote: VicktorVR
      At what height will it detect and shoot down a cruise missile?

      December 2019 White Sands Missile Range with LUT 2 Patriot Advanced Capability-2 missiles intercepted 2 MQM-178

      they don’t report about the interception height, but they whisper that it’s no more than 25 m.
      Difficult relief situation (mountains), imitators entered the WWI, from behind the mountains, using an anti-missile maneuver.
      Geography so

      Marines from Marine Air Traffic Control Squadron 24 (MACS 24) operated the TPS-59 radar and served as the Link-16 High Echelon Unit (HEU) during flight testing, providing early warning and combat decision making for the IBCS.
      Army Integrated Air and Missile Defense (AIAMD) led through AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel
      Patriot calculation worked through AN / MPQ -65
      two US Air Force F-35s provided the AWACS function via IBCS (integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System).

      in August 2000: PAC-2 intercepted 2 again, in REP attack mode (one radar was jammed), at the same time Patriot Advanced Capability-3 intercepted a BR simulator (Black Dagger)


      The intercept height is the same, the radar composition is the same, but thanks to the 2019 tests, two AN / MPQ-64 Sentinels were pushed far ahead (to the "front line"), again everything worked through IBCS



      The tests are successful.
      The next one was supposed to be at the end of 2022
      Quote: Herman 4223
      The minimum height of hitting targets is 60 meters.

      Quote: Herman 4223
      The minimum height of hitting targets is 60 meters. But a cruise missile travels most of the way at altitudes of several kilometers, so this is not such a problem.

      no... less
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      2. -1
        14 March 2023 20: 32
        Quote from Digger
        Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System

        So far, on the fields of the NWO, they have not heard of this. It is unlikely that it will come to that.
        1. +1
          14 March 2023 23: 26
          Quote: Negritenrk
          So far, on the fields of the NWO, they have not heard of this. It is unlikely that it will come to that.

          In May 2022 they didn't hear about Himars, in December about Leopard & Abrams
          Everything in the world is relative.
          In 1973, the Doomsday War, the Israeli Air Force did not hear about the Kvadrat air defense system, they were so surprised that they lost almost 40 # of the fleet and on the 3rd day they were forced to urgently ask Nixon for aviation, tanks for ammunition, and the USSR and the Arab coalition even did not assume that Operation Nickel Grass was possible.
          1. 0
            15 March 2023 08: 20
            Quote from Digger
            In May 2022 they didn't hear about Himars, in December about Leopard & Abrams

            You do not confuse the pieces of iron from the Reagan era with IBCS. This is really the cutting edge, few people in NATO are allowed to do such things.

            I am an opponent of hats. Now the Americans are very far from this level of involvement in the conflict.
      3. KCA
        -1
        15 March 2023 07: 34
        It is difficult not to shoot down targets when their trajectory is known, and, perhaps, the signal emitters are also standing, well, so as not to miss at all
        1. +2
          15 March 2023 08: 21
          Quote: KCA
          It is difficult not to shoot down targets when their trajectory is known, and, perhaps, the signal emitters are also standing, well, so as not to miss at all

          There is a better way. Report that all conditional targets are conditionally hit.
        2. +2
          15 March 2023 08: 48
          It is difficult not to shoot down targets when their trajectory is known, and, perhaps, the signal emitters are also standing

          1. The trajectory of the target was not known, only introductory: the object being protected and the direction of the intended attack (“front line”)
          2. The kr simulators maneuvered, interfered and in the second case there was a REB
          3. The 2016 test was a total failure.
          There, doing such crap (trajectory, radio transponder, corner) is not accepted, stupid and cherevato.
          Almost all noodles of this kind are Skabeevism, overdue, moreover
          As examples (what is in memory)
          -Lockheed bribery scandals
          - or US Air Force First Deputy Secretary of State for Purchasing Darlene Druin (and her daughter) Boeing / Lockheed and 3 years in prison and Rhayeton and GLSDB
          PySy about items 1 and 2 - I specifically wrote
  5. +2
    14 March 2023 05: 33
    Patriot air defense systems on their way to Ukraine: are these systems capable of affecting the course of the NWO

    I recalled the statement of Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin:
    Scared a woman with a thick heel!

    * * *
    How can you influence the course of what “by and large has not yet begun”?
  6. +4
    14 March 2023 05: 52
    but it will not seriously affect the general situation in the zone of military operation.
    Until Slavyansk, still go and go ..
  7. -4
    14 March 2023 06: 28
    In 2003, the Americans intercepted all the missiles, one though by the brigade headquarters.
    1. +4
      14 March 2023 11: 16
      Quote: Herman 4223
      one truth by the brigade headquarters.

      You are confusing 2003 and 91.
      1. -7
        14 March 2023 12: 26
        I don't confuse anything. This is the only hit by these missiles of the Iraqi army in 2003, but it turned out to be very successful. The rest were either knocked down or into milk.
        1. +5
          14 March 2023 13: 28
          Quote: Herman 4223
          This is the only hit by these missiles of the Iraqi army in 2003, but it turned out to be very successful.

          In the 91st. And this is not about the "brigade headquarters", but about the barracks in Dharam, 28 dead soldiers.
          There were no successful hits in 2003.
          1. 0
            14 March 2023 23: 09
            “In the 91st. And this is not about the "brigade headquarters", but about the barracks in Dharam, 28 dead soldiers. There were no successful hits in 2003.”
            April 7, 2003 The command post of the brigade of the 3rd US mechanized division was hit. 17 pieces of equipment were destroyed, 2 journalists and XNUMX American soldiers were killed. If you haven't heard about something, it's not my fault. You don't have to figure out what it's about.
            1. +2
              15 March 2023 08: 15
              Quote: Herman 4223
              April 7, 2003 The command post of the brigade of the 3rd US mechanized division was hit. 17 pieces of equipment destroyed, 2 journalists and XNUMX American soldiers killed

              Damaged parking lot. And this story has nothing to do with scuds or patriots.

              But yes, they missed it, it happens with the Americans too. In this respect you are right.
              1. 0
                15 March 2023 14: 53
                There is no mention of parking anywhere. The command center of the 2nd brigade, 3rd division was hit. 3 soldiers were killed and 17 wounded. + 2 journalists. It has nothing to do with scuds, but it doesn’t change the essence, there was also a missile system, a moon, it had a shorter launch range than Scud and for air defense it is a simpler target.
    2. 0
      14 March 2023 19: 42
      Quote: Herman 4223
      In 2003, the Americans intercepted all the missiles, one though by the brigade headquarters.

      February 5 1991 year, the complex failed to intercept the Scud missile fired by Iranian troops at the American barracks. The missile attack killed 28 US troops.


      In 2003, Patriot air defense systems were deployed in Iraq after the US and its allies invaded that country.
      Army Report Details Patriot Record in Iraq War
      https://www.gao.gov/assets/t-nsiad-92-27.pdf
  8. -5
    14 March 2023 06: 53
    Two complexes to cover even Kyiv will not be enough. Such a city needs at least 4 batteries, and this will be at a minimum. To radically change the situation in the air of Ukraine, such batteries need at least several dozen + several regiments of fighters. 2-4 complexes, as they promise for Ukraine, are like a dead poultice, of course, it may be enough to cover some group of troops, but at the front these complexes will either not last long or will be put into operation sporadically.
    1. +4
      14 March 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Herman 4223
      2-4 complexes, as they promise for Ukraine, it's like a dead poultice

      in the case when the task is testing in combat conditions, and not a complete cover of the city, 2-4 is enough ..
      1. -3
        14 March 2023 07: 53
        For test 4, this is already a lot. Overspending, so to speak.
    2. +5
      14 March 2023 08: 29
      Quote: Herman 4223
      Two complexes to cover even Kyiv will not be enough. Such a city needs at least 4 batteries, and this will be at a minimum. To radically change the situation in the air of Ukraine, such batteries need at least several dozen + several regiments of fighters. 2-4 complexes, as they promise for Ukraine, are like a dead poultice, of course, it may be enough to cover some group of troops, but at the front these complexes will either not last long or will be put into operation sporadically.

      For more than a year we have been hearing the mantra about “little, bad, will not affect anything” ... but EVERY delivery is very serious, it was thanks to such deliveries that the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually stopped our offensive (well, except for advancing several tens of meters a day on separate areas, and even then with great difficulties), and in some places it was not bad to reject them so well ... these deliveries are like a thousand cuts, each one seems to be nothing serious, but on the whole it really hurts ...
      1. 0
        14 March 2023 12: 30
        Well, it goes without saying. In general, those deliveries that are officially announced do not have to coincide with what actually arrived. And of course, any weapon is not a joke, but a deadly thing. Even if old.
    3. +6
      14 March 2023 11: 07
      Quote: Herman 4223
      Such a city needs at least 4 batteries

      What for?
      Quote: Herman 4223
      To change the situation in the air of Ukraine dramatically, such batteries need at least several dozen

      Why change it? What could be wrong with the current situation?
      Quote: Herman 4223
      but at the front, these complexes will either not last long or will be put into operation sporadically.

      At the front, they are not much needed.
      1. -6
        14 March 2023 12: 35
        “Why change it? What can not suit the situation now?
        It suits me perfectly.
        Now our missiles hit any targets throughout Ukraine. If necessary, then the planes also fly. The air defense of Ukraine operates in a partisan style, especially non-reflective, the air defense system is completely absent.
        “They are not much needed at the front.”
        I agree.
        1. +6
          14 March 2023 13: 34
          Quote: Herman 4223
          Now our missiles hit any targets throughout Ukraine

          Except those of military importance.
          Quote: Herman 4223
          If necessary, then the planes also fly

          That is, they do not fly because they do not need to. Fine.
          1. -2
            14 March 2023 14: 30
            "Except those of military importance."
            Did you understand it yourself?
            “That is, they don’t fly because they don’t need to. Fine."
            Who told you that they don't fly?
            They fly normally, now they are testing new bombs of 1,5 tons each.
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            2. +5
              14 March 2023 20: 47
              Quote: Herman 4223
              Did you understand it yourself?

              Certainly. You have been talking about "attacks on infrastructure" for six months now.
              Quote: Herman 4223
              Who told you that they don't fly?

              From further LBS do not shoot down.
              Quote: Herman 4223
              now they are testing new bombs of 1,5 tons each.

              Are you talking about Avdiivka? This is the LBS.
              1. 0
                15 March 2023 15: 16
                «
                Certainly. You've been told about "attacks on infrastructure" for half a year now.”
                What is this all about?
                “They don’t shoot down LBS from farther.”
                So do they still fly?
                https://yandex.ru/video/touch/preview/17992950821973445784
  9. -1
    14 March 2023 07: 34
    In addition to drones and cruise missiles, there is also the A-50.
    And if the Patriot is more mobile (this is especially emphasized about its launchers) than the remaining S-200/300s, it will not be very good for these flying radars from the PAC-2 ...
    1. +3
      14 March 2023 11: 10
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      it will not be very good for these flying radars from PAC-2 ...

      It is unlikely that they will be placed close to the border. A-50s, as far as we know, do not enter Ukrainian airspace.
      1. 0
        14 March 2023 19: 42
        It is unlikely that they will be placed close to the border

        Patriot gets up to 160 km. We'll have to fly farther from the border with the corresponding consequences.
  10. -3
    14 March 2023 08: 09
    “Patriot is really designed to fight ballistic missiles. It is not as effective against cruise missiles. and certainly cannot be effective against drones, ”
    Kirby is lying. They are a Patriot to Ukraine and set to work out new use cases. The Patriot operates from a radar that does not see over-the-horizon targets. When targeting from satellites, it may well work on the CD .... As for the Daggers, it seems that only nuclear weapons along the flight path will stop them. request
    1. +2
      14 March 2023 08: 19
      To work beyond the radio horizon, you need not satellites, but a rocket with an active guidance head. A cruise missile does not fly at low altitude all the time, it travels most of the way at altitudes of several kilometers. Tamahawk, for example, climbs to a height of 6 km. So the complex may well detect the approach of missiles. Approaching the front, the missiles will dive to a low altitude, but if they were discovered before and their location is approximately known, then missiles can be launched, and the active missile guidance head can detect itself and eventually shoot down.
      1. +1
        14 March 2023 22: 37
        Quote: Herman 4223
        To work beyond the radio horizon, you need not satellites, but a rocket with an active guidance head.

        And you also need the enemy to act as a target.

        Quote: Herman 4223
        A cruise missile does not fly at low altitude all the time, it travels most of the way at altitudes of several kilometers. Tamahawk, for example, climbs to a height of 6 km.

        This is when flying at maximum range. At a third of the maximum range, you can safely fly to WWI.
        1. 0
          15 March 2023 14: 36
          In WWI, the rocket flies twice as slow, and the launch range is reduced by three to four times. The carrier that will launch these missiles will have to get much closer to the enemy than necessary. Cruise missile targets are usually located several hundred kilometers deep or further.
  11. +5
    14 March 2023 10: 05
    Our aviation is already not sweet, they did not show themselves in the best possible way, due to the absence and scarcity of modern aerial bombs and missiles that make it possible not to enter the air defense coverage area, they hit from a cabriolet towards the enemy, realizing that there is no efficiency at all from the word ( perhaps only psychological), they only spend the flight resource of equipment, they burn kerosene, and they also risk getting a MANPADS or air defense missile on board, and the patriot will not add optimism to our pilots, because, its range is very decent, in general, spoil the blood of this complex capable, but the lack of aviation in the sky, unnecessary losses on the ground. Yes, and the Americans, after using the APU of their complex, can take into account its weaknesses and modernize it.
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 22: 34
      Quote: Codett
      Our aviation is not so sweet,

      You know better, sweet or unsweetened your aviation.

      Quote: Codett
      they showed themselves not in the best possible way,

      I'm sorry.

      Quote: Codett
      they hit from a pitch in the direction of the enemy, realizing that there is no efficiency at all from the word at all (possibly only psychological),

      Is ballistics considered a pseudoscience in your places of study?
  12. +2
    14 March 2023 10: 14
    any complex can provide protection only for a certain area of ​​​​responsibility, so there is more of a psychological move. Well, our task is to inflict damage on this complex, the main goal of the radar.
  13. +5
    14 March 2023 11: 39
    Patriot air defense systems on their way to Ukraine: are these systems capable of affecting the course of the NWO

    Of course. Where do such narrow-minded articles and stupid commentators come from. How many such articles have already been: is it possible to help Ukraine with the provision of non-lethal weapons, then ammunition, then artillery installations, then tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, now patriots, then there will be combat and transport aircraft, helicopters. For more than a year, NWO has been going on, and there is no end in sight. How many dismissively they said at the beginning that the tanks in Ukraine are rubbish, there are few of them, there is nowhere to repair, ammunition for a month. Imagine hypothetically: the front line, on the one hand, 1000 soldiers, but with modern machine guns and machine guns, on the other, 10000 soldiers, but with Mosin rifles and 1000 rounds of ammunition per fighter with a consumption of 100 rounds per day. And now they (cartridges) would have ended in ten days and they would either die under bullets, or surrender, but they (those of whom 10000) would then be given ammunition, given armor, consider that those with mosquitoes can hold out more. Later they would have given PPSh - not Kalash, of course, but the density of fire had already increased, and then in general there would be a song and machine guns, then machine guns, mortars + they would still have gained meat, and now for the place of 10 days how much basic equipment would be enough for them, with support , can already last longer and longer. So any delivery affects both the course of the CBO and the duration.
    1. 0
      21 March 2023 19: 51
      You to your friend Girkin. Together with them, funeral for a glass.
  14. 0
    14 March 2023 12: 46
    For the Patriot air defense system, satellites are needed to intercept ballistic missiles, the United States, of course, will connect them to its satellites.
    1. -1
      14 March 2023 22: 24
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      The Patriot air defense system needs satellites to intercept ballistic missiles,

      For starters, ballistic missiles are needed, and they are not used in Ukraine.
      1. +1
        15 March 2023 14: 04
        Quote: Comet
        For starters, ballistic missiles are needed, and they are not used in Ukraine.

        We use quasi-ballistic missiles, the same Iskander-M, Kh-22/32, Dagger, etc.
  15. +4
    14 March 2023 14: 12
    Great article! Frankly, I used a military trick when I saw a typical headline "are ... XXX complexes [of the enemy] capable of influencing the course of the NWO" and immediately scrolled through to the author's name.
    IF Ryabov Kirill THEN no, they are not capable, and there is no need to read the article.

    But here Viktor Biryukov and the article turned out to be informative, thank you!

    My "5 kopecks":
    - a ballistic missile differs from a cruise missile in that it is much easier to detect, but once discovered, it is more difficult to shoot down due to high speed. Why the author focuses on "daggers", I did not understand - there are not many of them, and I consider intercepting them a utopia for today. But there are much more ballistic "Iskanders"! Against them, the Patriot must show itself. We'll soon see how effective it really is.

    - It is against ballistic missiles that the range of Patriot is limited by the radius of anti-missiles (20 km), that is, one Patriot should be enough to cover a city like Kyiv.
    1. -3
      14 March 2023 22: 26
      Quote: Proctologist
      But there are much more ballistic "Iskanders"

      There is not a single "ballistic" Iskander. "It was never even in the project.
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  17. 0
    15 March 2023 09: 07
    Quote from Digger
    no... less


    In field conditions, a full technical support package and in the absence of enemy opposition.
    In reality, everything will not be so complicated.
  18. 0
    April 13 2023 11: 58
    Perhaps these systems will protect the airfields from which the aircraft transferred to Ukraine will begin to operate. It is very likely that the planes will still be delivered.
  19. -1
    April 14 2023 11: 54
    I'll start with the fact that Ukraine is about 1000 km long and also about 600 km wide.
    And the range of destruction of the Patriot is 100 km. The detection range is about twice as long.
    That is, 5-6 Patriots can cover the whole of Ukraine from west to east. I have already read on this site that Ukraine has created five air defense lines. There are no patriots yet, but the frontiers have already been created. These are our own S-300s and modern European air defense systems with a range of 20 to 150 km.
    It turns out that Ukraine is covered by air defense better than Russia, taking into account our larger territory, and it can shoot down in the depths of our territory to receive "Patriots".
    Two or three Patriots theoretically and practically can cover Kyiv or Lvov. But we must not forget about the S - 300, and European air defense.
    How can we be? What to do? This is a massive use of Iskanders, Calibers at the locations of Ukrainian air defense systems, with the help of aerospace surveillance, and simply on foot reconnaissance. soldier
  20. -1
    13 May 2023 19: 26
    If it turns out that the two helicopters and two planes of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down today are the work of the Patriots, then you will have an answer, whether they will affect or not.
    1. -2
      13 May 2023 20: 01
      Quote: BorzRio
      If it turns out that the two helicopters and two aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down today are the work of the Patriots

      No. The "garbage truck on hydraulics" has nothing to do with it, but they were air-to-air missiles, according to the latest, um, rumors ...