Finnish military air defense systems

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Finnish military air defense systems

In the 1960s, it became clear that it was impossible to protect army units operating in the front line from air attack weapons with anti-aircraft artillery alone. However, until the second half of the 1970s, Finland, which then had modest economic opportunities, could not afford to purchase air defense systems abroad.

The first anti-aircraft missile system in the Finnish Ground Forces was the Soviet-made portable Strela-2M. In the second half of the 1980s, Finland imported the Igla-1E MANPADS. The Soviet side also offered mobile air defense systems: Kvadrat, Osa and Strela-10. However, for financial reasons, the Finnish military could not afford them.



After the collapse of the USSR, French short-range mobile air defense systems Crotale NG arrived. In 1997, to pay off the Soviet debt, Russia supplied the Buk-M1 air defense system. In Finland, these tracked systems, created for military air defense, were used as facilities and served for about 10 years.

At the beginning of the 70st century, a contract was signed for the supply of Swedish-German short-range air defense systems ASRAD-R. In parallel with this, the Swedish RBS-2015 portable-portable systems began to enter the Finnish air defense units of the battalion level. In 92, the Finnish army adopted the FIM-XNUMX Stinger MANPADS.

Man-portable air defense systems


In the 1970s, the fighting in Southeast Asia and the Middle East demonstrated the good combat effectiveness of portable anti-aircraft missile systems. In those years, MANPADS were produced only in the USA, Great Britain and the USSR. In the first generation MANPADS: the American FIM-43 Redeye and the Soviet Strela-2M, rockets were used that aimed at the heat of an aircraft engine, which made it possible to implement the “fire and forget” principle. The British Blowpipe had manual radio command guidance, which made it completely insensitive to thermal interference. At the same time, the effectiveness of this very bulky and heavy MANPADS directly depended on the level of training and the psycho-emotional state of the operator, who aimed the missile at the target using a joystick.

The supply of American FIM-43 Redeye MANPADS to Finland in the 1970s was impossible for political reasons. The combat effectiveness of the British Blowpipe, for which it was necessary to constantly train shooters intensively, was in doubt. In addition, carrying the complex with a curb weight of 21 kg on foot in a wooded area was very difficult. The optimal choice for Finland, which at that time maintained friendly relations and close economic ties with the Soviet Union, was the Strela-2M MANPADS. An important factor that influenced the choice of the Soviet portable complex was its successful combat use in real combat operations.

At the time of its appearance in 1970, the Strela-2M MANPADS, adopted as a battalion-level air defense system, was very good, and generally surpassed the American FIM-43 Redeye complex of a similar purpose in terms of combat effectiveness.

The first Soviet portable anti-aircraft missile system, serviced by one gunner-operator, could hit targets at a distance of 800–4 m in an altitude range of 200–50 m. The maximum rocket speed was 2 m/s. The weight of MANPADS in combat position is 300 kg. Length - 500 15 mm. Rocket diameter - 1 mm. The launch weight of the rocket is 490 kg. The warhead weighing 72 kg is equipped with 9,8 g of powerful explosives.

The Strela-2M complex consists of a reusable launcher, an anti-aircraft guided missile with a thermal homing head in the launch tube, and a disposable external power source. In the stowed position, it is carried on a shoulder strap behind the back of the anti-aircraft gunner.


Rocket and MANPADS "Strela-2M" assembly

MANPADS "Strela-2M" significantly increased the air defense capabilities of small units. But the use of an anti-aircraft missile with an uncooled single-channel IR-GOS did not allow for the selection of heat traps and limited the launch range against targets with low thermal visibility. In the course of actual combat operations, it turned out that even in ideal weather conditions, in the absence of organized interference, out of 10 launched missiles, at best, only two hit the target.

This was largely due to the tense moral and psychological state of operators exposed to combat stress, which often led to errors: incorrect determination of the distance to the target, non-optimal choice of the launch moment, firing towards the sun, etc. If the enemy used heat traps, the effectiveness of the application decreased many times.

Nevertheless, in general, the use of the first-generation Soviet portable complex justified itself: enemy pilots, seeing missile launches, were forced to go to high altitudes, where they became vulnerable to other air defense systems, enemy combat aircraft, in the event of a missile launch, in most cases stopped attacking a ground target and tried to leave the area in which they were shelled, which led to the disruption of the combat mission.

The Finnish army officially adopted the Strela-2M MANPADS into service in 1978 under the name Ito 78. The exact number of MANPADS delivered could not be established, according to unconfirmed reports, Finland ordered 500 missiles and 100 launchers.


The training of MANPADS operators took place in the garrisons of Huril and Rovaniemi. The first training launch was made at the Vattayanniemi test site in February 1979. The active operation of the Ito 78 MANPADS continued until 2001, after which they were taken to the reserve, where they were until 2015. However, foreign sources write that the Finnish Strela-2M could not be used by that time, due to the lack of conditioned batteries.

Since 1986, the Finns received the Igla-1E MANPADS, used under the designation Ito 86. This complex had improved combat capabilities and could select false targets.


MANPADS "Igla-1" assembled with a model of missiles

The Igla-1 complex, adopted by the Soviet army in 1981, weighed 17 kg in combat position. The mass of the launch tube with the rocket is 10,8 kg. The far boundary of the affected area is 5 m. The ceiling is 000 m. The maximum missile flight speed is 2 m / s.


For a long time, the Ito 78 and Ito 86 MANPADS were used by the Finnish army in parallel. For effective use in wooded areas, the Finnish military used platforms on a truck chassis that rose above the treetops. In the past, Moscow has repeatedly offered Helsinki a new generation of man-portable systems, but the Finns preferred Western air defense systems.

At the beginning of the 86st century, Finland purchased from the Swedish company Saab Bofors Dynamics 70 deeply modernized RBS-05 near-field air defense systems with Bolide missiles guided by a laser channel. In the Finnish army, this complex is known as Ito XNUMXM.


SAM Ito 05 in firing position

The maximum firing range is 8 m, the height reach is 000 m. The flight speed is more than 5 m/s. The rocket uses a cumulative fragmentation warhead with armor penetration up to 000 mm. If the air target avoided a direct hit, it is struck by ready-made lethal elements - tungsten balls.

The guidance principle, known as "laser trail" or "saddled beam", allows decoys effective against heat-seeking missiles to be ignored. But when following a missile inside a corridor formed by laser radiation, it is necessary to keep the target in sight until the moment the missile hits. Another disadvantage is the reduction in the firing range in adverse weather conditions, and when the target enters the cloud, there is a high probability of failure of guidance. There is information that Ito 05M is capable of operating on surface targets, which allows it to be used in antiamphibious defense.

Although the Ito 05M complex is formally considered portable, it cannot be used from the shoulder and carried in the field alone. The tripod, guidance unit, power supply and state recognition equipment together weigh about 120 kg. Therefore, the RBS-70 complexes move on off-road vehicles, ATVs and articulated tracked conveyors.


A large weight limits the mobility of the complex, but at the same time, compared to shoulder-launched MANPADS, the operator has better conditions for long-term duty in position.


In a fixed deployment, external power supplies can be used for power supply.

In 2011, the leadership of the Finnish Ministry of Defense raised the issue of the need to replace the Soviet-made Igla-1E MANPADS, in connection with which Helsinki requested the United States to purchase FIM-92C Stinger man-portable air defense systems. The request included 600 kits, as well as related equipment and a maintenance package. The deal was valued at $330 million.

It was possible to agree on the purchase of American MANPADS in 2013, after which the training of operators began. In 2015, the Stinger was adopted by the Finnish army under the designation Ito 15.


Regarding the delivery of the first batch of Stingers, conflicting data were published in the media. Some sources claim that these were FIM-92C MANPADS donated by Denmark. Others write that Finland acquired the FIM-92E (RMP Block I) modification complexes from the surplus of the US Army stored in warehouses. According to reference data, as of 2016, the Finns received 371 American-made man-portable anti-aircraft systems. Apparently, now there are already more Stingers in the Finnish army.


The release of the FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS began in 1981, and taking into account all the modifications, more than 70 anti-aircraft missiles have been produced to date. Currently, complexes of this type are manufactured by Raytheon Missile Systems Corporation.

In the combat position, the Stinger weighs about 16 kg, and the launch weight of the rocket is 10,1 kg. It is possible to defeat air targets at a distance of 200 to 4 m. Reach in height - 500 m. The maximum speed of the rocket is 3 m / s.


The Finnish army has at its disposal MANPADS with the Stinger RMP Block I missile. This model, created in the late 1990s, is not the latest technology, but at the same time this missile is considered quite effective. It is equipped with a compact lithium battery, an advanced processor and a memory device in which target parameters are recorded before the missile launch. The cooled homing head is capable of capturing targets with low thermal visibility, and the microprocessor provides target selection against the background of thermal traps.

Mobile military anti-aircraft missile systems


In the second half of the 1980s, when looking for a replacement for the hopelessly outdated Soviet-made ZSU-57-2, the Finns turned their attention to the French Crotale NG short-range air defense systems. These mobile complexes were supposed to protect the near rear from attacks by air attack weapons operating at low altitudes in the front line.

In 1992, a contract worth $170 million was signed. In order to standardize with the equipment available to the troops and reduce the cost, the French air defense systems were placed on the chassis of the Finnish Sisu XA-181 armored personnel carriers. After that, the complex received the designation Ito 90M.


ZRK Ito 90M

The Ito 90 air defense system with radio command-guided missiles had a range of up to 11 m. The altitude reach is 000 meters. Detection tools include a Thomson-CSF TRS 6 surveillance radar with a detection range of 000 km, a J-band tracking radar with a range of 2630 km, and an optoelectronic station with a wide field of view. Eight ready-to-use missiles are placed on the rotary module. The same amount is transported inside the car.

At the beginning of the 90st century, the Finnish Krotali underwent modernization and refurbishment, after which they became known as Ito 90M. A number of sources claim that the Ito 1M air defense system contains new-generation VT15 missiles with a range of XNUMX km.


In general, the Ito 90M air defense system is a fairly effective and relatively inexpensive military air defense system. The effectiveness of the modification of the 1992 model is comparable to the Soviet Osa-AKM air defense system. But the Crotale NG air defense system is more compact and placed on an armored chassis.

For the timely detection of air targets and the issuance of target designation by the Ito 90M air defense system, GIRAFFE MK IV mobile radars (Finnish designation MOSTKA87M) are used on the XA-181 armored personnel carrier chassis.


Radar MOSTKA87M

Anti-aircraft batteries are controlled from the ITJOKE87 mobile command post based on an off-road truck or armored personnel carrier.

Almost simultaneously with the purchase of Swedish portable-wearable complexes of the near zone, a contract was signed for the supply of mobile Swedish-German air defense systems ASRAD-R. As in the upgraded RBS-70 complex, the ASRAD-R uses laser-guided Bolide missiles to engage air targets.

This complex, created by Saab Bofors and Rheinmetall, thanks to its modular design, can be mounted on any wheeled vehicle or tracked platform of suitable payload. The mass of the anti-aircraft module with missiles is about 900 kg.

Each machine is an independent combat unit and is capable of fighting an air enemy at a distance of up to 8 meters and an altitude of 000 meters. To detect air targets, the PS-5 radar is used, which controls the airspace within a radius of 000 km.


There is also a combined optoelectronic sighting and search system with a thermal imager, which allows you to search for a target without turning on the radar. Ready-to-use ammunition is four missiles, the same number is in stock, loaded by calculation forces.


SAM ASRAD-R on the chassis of Mercedes-Benz Unimog 5000

The combat vehicle based on the Mercedes-Benz Unimog 5000 truck weighs about 12 tons and can accelerate on the highway up to 90 km/h. Calculation - 3 people.


In Finland, the ASRAD-R air defense system received the designation Ito 05, it is installed on the Sisu Nasus tracked chassis (four installations) and the wheeled Mercedes-Benz Unimog 5000 (twelve installations). In total, the anti-aircraft battery has 4 combat vehicles.

One battery is located in the suburbs of Helsinki as an addition to the NASAMS II air defense system. The complex was deployed separately in the capital as an addition to anti-aircraft missile systems, the rest are intended to cover army units, military bases and bridges.

Prospects for the development of the Finnish military air defense


After Russia launched a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine and in connection with Finland's forthcoming entry into NATO, there was an urgent need to strengthen the air defense of the Ground Forces.

The towed 23-mm artillery mounts 23 ItK 95 and 35-mm 35 ItK 88, anti-aircraft Tanks Marksman on the Leopard 2A4 chassis, Ito 05M and Ito 15 MANPADS, Ito 90M and Ito 05 short-range mobile air defense systems are quite effective and modern models capable of fighting various air targets operating at low altitudes. However, in the event of a full-scale conflict and the massive use of tactical aviation, helicopters, strike reconnaissance drones, drones-kamikaze, planning bombs and cruise missiles, the available number of military air defense assets will be small.

In addition, military experts point out that the 23-mm anti-aircraft guns 23 Itk 61, which are in reserve, no longer correspond to modern realities. A significant part of Swedish-made mobile radars with antennas raised on folding rods require repair, and their number is not enough for long-term combat operations.

With a high degree of probability, it can be expected that in the near future the Government of Finland will allocate additional appropriations for the purchase of new batches of military air defense equipment and radars for lighting the air situation at low altitudes.

Most likely, the well-proven ASRAD-R mobile air defense systems, relatively easy to use and affordable to carry on foot, FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS, as well as new digital radars of the Giraffe family manufactured by SAAB Microwave Systems, will be purchased.

In connection with the modernization of military air defense and the acquisition of new anti-aircraft systems, there is a high probability of transferring Soviet-made 23-mm twin anti-aircraft guns of Soviet production and Ito 90M combat vehicles with French modules of the Krotal air defense system to the Ukrainian armed forces.

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  1. -7
    9 March 2023 06: 44
    in connection with the upcoming accession of Finland to NATO there was an urgent need to strengthen air defense Ground forces.
    fool Ridiculous logic. Before joining NATO, were air defenses strong enough?
    1. +8
      9 March 2023 07: 54
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Ridiculous logic. Before joining NATO, were air defenses strong enough?

      Other comments frankly depress me! sad It seems that some people only look at pictures, or only perceive information that fits into their worldview. This publication is part of a cycle dedicated to the armed forces of Finland, and in previous publications about the concept of defense construction in general and about Finnish air defense in particular, everything was chewed up, in my opinion, quite intelligibly. But it’s not difficult for me, I’ll repeat it especially for you:
      In Soviet times, there was an agreement between the USSR and Finland on mutual military assistance in the event of an attack by third countries. The Soviet Union acted as the guarantor of Finland's security, and this was the best defense against an air enemy than strong air defense.
      Since at present relations between Helsinki and Moscow are clearly not friendly, the Finnish military feel the need to strengthen the armed forces, including air defense. In addition, NATO has certain standards that Finland must meet. And the situation in the world has changed dramatically.
  2. +5
    9 March 2023 06: 47
    Most likely, Finland's decision to abandon the Needle was, as in the case of the Buk, motivated by political considerations. In a number of Eastern European countries that have joined NATO, there are still not only "Needles", but also "Arrows".
    1. +7
      9 March 2023 07: 57
      Quote: Tucan
      Most likely, Finland's decision to abandon the Needle was, as in the case of the Buk, motivated by political considerations. In a number of Eastern European countries that have joined NATO, there are still not only "Needles", but also "Arrows".

      Most of the Igla MANPADS, as well as the self-propelled Strela-10 NATO countries that were previously part of the ATS, have already been transferred to Ukraine, and the local copy of the Strela-2M MANPADS remained only in Romania.
      1. -3
        9 March 2023 14: 38
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: Tucan
        Most likely, Finland's decision to abandon the Needle was, as in the case of the Buk, motivated by political considerations. In a number of Eastern European countries that have joined NATO, there are still not only "Needles", but also "Arrows".

        Most of the Igla MANPADS, as well as the self-propelled Strela-10 NATO countries that were previously part of the ATS, have already been transferred to Ukraine, and the local copy of the Strela-2M MANPADS remained only in Romania.

        Yeltsin sold the technical documentation and helped to expand the production of needles in Poland, which is why our MI 28 was recently beaten
        1. +6
          9 March 2023 14: 53
          Quote: insafufa
          Yeltsin sold technical documentation and helped develop needle production in Poland


          In the mid-1980s, the Polish armed forces received several dozen new-generation Igla-1 MANPADS. After several years of operation of these complexes, the Polish leadership asked to transfer a license for production. In 1992, Polish defense research organizations began work on creating their own MANPADS based on Igla-1E technologies. in 1995, the complex, designated Grom-I, was put into service. The Polish company Mesko failed to fully localize the production cycle on its own; in the period from 1995 to 2004, the Russian side assisted in the development of the production of individual components and supplied a number of key components (including GOS).
          Are you sure that only Yeltsin? No. Remind you who our president has been since 2000?
  3. +5
    9 March 2023 11: 14
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!
    For effective use in wooded areas, the Finnish military used platforms on a truck chassis that rose above the treetops.

    This is a must see! wink

    https://youtu.be/hKT7aaSq4RM

    At the beginning of the 86st century, Finland acquired from the Swedish company Saab Bofors Dynamics 70 deeply modernized RBS-XNUMX near-field air defense systems with Bolide missiles

    The AFU RBS70 also seems to have hit. In another article, Bongo unsubscribed about a single photo.
    1. +6
      9 March 2023 12: 37
      Hello!
      Quote: Wildcat
      This is a must see!

      Thanks for the video! good
      I came across towers on the chassis of off-road trucks, on which the shooters from the Igla MANPADS were located.
      1. +2
        10 March 2023 01: 50
        hi
        You're welcome!
        Here is another video with Stingers and towers Yes

        https://youtu.be/6YhDaGUEW7I
        Colonel Ari Grenroos (air defense inspector) in it says that the Stingers (IMHO, FIM-92F Stinger-RMP Block I) were bought for short-range air defense, mainly against helicopters and attack aircraft.
        The choice was from 3 applicants.
        Missiles of the previous generation (IMHO, Danish FIM-92C) were bought for training, "every shooter will be able to launch."

        a contract was signed for the supply of mobile Swedish-German air defense systems ASRAD-R

        IMHO, the main charm of RBS70 and its "descendants" is cheapness.
        There were different estimates, one of the latest - the cost of one rocket is 100 thousand cu. ("Shephard Defense Insight lists Lithuania as having taken delivery of 260 RBS 70 missiles and estimates the unit cost at $100,000."https://www.shephardmedia.com). And the same Stinger - a fresh estimate of 480 thousand cu." the government has allocated $624 million for a new contract to replenish our Stinger missile fleet with 1300 new missiles.
        What else is in this contract? We may never know; however, based on this information alone, the total cost of the Stinger missile would be a whopping $480. For reference: the average selling price of a house in the US is at an approximate level (but still below this figure)
        . https://veteranlife.com/gear/stinger-missile/")

        RBS70 comes out even cheaper than Javelin (even without a scope):
        "The Javelin's outstanding performance comes at a price. According to the US Army's 2023 Missile Procurement Budget, the cost of one Javelin projectile, i.e. one missile, is $197. It's only slightly cheaper than the new 884 Ferrari Roma" https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/12/19/bang-for-your-buck-does-a-javelin-missile-really-cost-as-much-as-a-ferrari/?sh=6d262dbd3080

        IMHO, 100 thousand ye. good price - that's why Saab "advises" to "thrash" the RBS70 both on surface and ground targets. Moreover, Saab already determines the range for the RBS70NG as 9000m - pretty well; and puts new sights with auto-tracking, which IMHO, nevertheless, reduces the "user error". And even armor penetration of 200 mm. promises fellow :

        https://youtu.be/igqaUV3EVQU
  4. +6
    9 March 2023 11: 22
    hi
    Most likely, they will be purchased .... relatively easy to use and affordable to carry on foot FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS

    "On December 1, 2022, the US Department of Defense Defense Cooperation Agency (DSCA) sent a notice to the US Congress about the planned upcoming sale of Finland through the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program of 350 FIM-92K man-portable anti-aircraft guided missiles Stinger manufactured by Raytheon Corporation. The delivery will also include five Production Verification Flight Test (PVFT) telemetry missiles. This shipment is approved by the US Department of State. The total cost of the proposed delivery will be $380 million, including related equipment and technical support.
    FIM-92K is one of the most modern modifications of Stinger MANPADS missiles produced. The Finnish army has been using Stinger MANPADS (Finnish designation ITO 15) since 2015, when 90 FIM-200F Stinger-RMP Block I missiles were purchased in the United States through FMS under an agreement worth 92 million euros, which were supplied until 2017. At the same time, 171 older FIM-92C Stinger-RMP missiles manufactured in the mid-1990s were purchased from Denmark.
    "
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4621328.html
  5. -1
    9 March 2023 11: 46
    Finns still used the 9K34 "Strela-3" air defense system with the 9M36 missile defense system.
    And this is a completely different MANPADS.
    The Poles will not let you lie
    1. +4
      9 March 2023 12: 31
      Quote from Digger
      Finns still used the 9K34 "Strela-3" air defense system with the 9M36 missile defense system.
      And this is a completely different MANPADS.
      The Poles will not let you lie

      Hello!
      I did not come across such information. No. Don’t share the source?
      1. 0
        9 March 2023 13: 36
        Hi
        Vasilin N.Ya., Gurinovich A.L. Anti-aircraft missile systems
        Kiński A. ”Sowieckie przenośne przeciwlotnicze zestawy rakietowe”. Nowa Technika Wojskowa nr 11 and 12/1999.

        1. +4
          9 March 2023 14: 42
          Quote from Digger
          Vasilin N.Ya., Gurinovich A.L. Anti-aircraft missile systems


          The book is decent overall. But it also contains inaccuracies. As for the presence of Strela-3 MANPADS in the Finnish army, I strongly doubt it. If this complex was really in service, it should have a designation It...
          1. -2
            9 March 2023 18: 25
            You have a free country.
            Doubt.
            http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-810.html
            He also writes that he was in Finland. The source, however, was blocked at the request of the RKN
            it should have the designation Ito...

            ... I cited a Russian and German source, they do not contain a single name in the Finnish nomenclature request I know that itO if adopted
            PySy. We need to dig and find Teknikkoyliluutnantti Kalervo Liikanen or his notes (if right in Bose), he should know. After all, this is his "bread"
    2. +3
      9 March 2023 12: 54
      Quote from Digger
      And this is a completely different MANPADS.
      The Poles will not let you lie

      I don't understand, why are the Poles here?
      1. -2
        9 March 2023 13: 53
        16. 03. 22 Poles boasted that near Odessa: Okręt projektu 775 - ("Stocznia Polnocna") przewożony ładunek (preparing to attack)
        Do samoobrony służą dwa zestawy artyleryjskie CIWS (ang. Close-In Weapon System - system artyleryjski obrony bezpośredniej) w postaci 30-mm armat AK-630, a także dwie poczwórne wyrzutnie rakiet przeciwlotniczych 9K34 Strza la 3.
        Well, they gutted them seriously in the 1980s, which had an impact on their own development of MANPADS based on the needle
        1. 0
          9 March 2023 14: 44
          Quote from Digger
          16. 03. 22 Poles boasted that near Odessa: Okręt projektu 775 - ("Stocznia Polnocna") przewożony ładunek (preparing to attack)
          Do samoobrony służą dwa zestawy artyleryjskie CIWS (ang. Close-In Weapon System - system artyleryjski obrony bezpośredniej) w postaci 30-mm armat AK-630, a także dwie poczwórne wyrzutnie rakiet przeciwlotniczych 9K34 Strza la 3.
          Well, they gutted them seriously in the 1980s, which had an impact on their own development of MANPADS based on the needle

          Translation:
          Project ship 775 - ("Northern Serpti
          Two CIWS (Close Defensive Artillery System) artillery kits in the form of the 30mm Army AK-630, as well as two faster 9K34 rocket launchers are used for self-defense.
          What's next?
          Somehow you express yourself in riddles, where they crumbled and who?
          1. -4
            9 March 2023 17: 51
            where crumbled and who?

            Who was crushed and where? I didn't understand.
            I'm embarrassed to ask: are you responsible for him for the lady?
            What riddles can be on the phrase
            Poles will not let you lie?
            1. 0
              10 March 2023 02: 42
              Quote from Digger
              I'm embarrassed to ask: are you responsible for him for the lady?

              Is it forbidden for other users to participate in the dialogue? In addition, Seryozha (the author of this publication) is my husband.
              1. -2
                10 March 2023 14: 23
                No, of course it is not forbidden, but it seems that it is also not forbidden to ask the question that I asked him.
                In addition, Seryozha (the author of this publication) is my husband

                Thank you for informing me, I will know that the author of this publication, Seryozha, is your spouse, in addition.
                Although, for me it is somewhat unusual. Married myself > let’s say more than 3 decades, and my wife and I are officials and “authors” (of course, not in this serious publication) ... but unusual
        2. +2
          9 March 2023 18: 50
          Quote from Digger
          16. 03. 22 Poles boasted that near Odessa: Okręt projektu 775 - ("Stocznia Polnocna") przewożony ładunek (preparing to attack)
          Do samoobrony służą dwa zestawy artyleryjskie CIWS (ang. Close-In Weapon System - system artyleryjski obrony bezpośredniej) w postaci 30-mm armat AK-630, a także dwie poczwórne wyrzutnie rakiet przeciwlotniczych 9K34 Strza la 3.

          And MANPADS were definitely included in the delivery kit of Project 775? Or did the ships receive them already from domestic warehouses after the adoption of the Navy?
          Yes, and Aunt Vika slanders that the Poles bought Strela-3, but they never entered the MANPADS troops.
          1. -4
            9 March 2023 20: 54
            And?
            Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment.

            Develop your thought (in depth). It's not clear to me
            1. +1
              10 March 2023 15: 45
              Quote from Digger
              Develop your thought (in depth). It's not clear to me

              The idea is simple: in relation to the 9K34 "Strela-3" with 9M36 missiles, the thesis:
              Quote from Digger
              The Poles will not let you lie

              may not be entirely correct, since it may well turn out that the Poles still have no experience in operating these MANPADS.
              For the Polish-built BDKs could be completed with these complexes after they were handed over to the Customer - from the warehouses of the Navy. And the Strela-3 purchased by the Poles for their army did not reach the troops.
              1. -4
                10 March 2023 19: 04
                And this does not give me the opportunity (I will keep silent about the right) to write
                "Poles won't let you lie?"
                The Poles did not adopt yes, but they tested it. And there was no negative.
                The needle got in the way.
  6. -1
    9 March 2023 21: 47
    However, in the event of a full-scale conflict and the massive use by the enemy of tactical aviation, helicopters, strike and reconnaissance drones, kamikaze drones, gliding bombs and cruise missiles, the available amount of military air defense means will be small.
    Judging by the types of air defense systems being purchased and decommissioned, the main opponent is traditionally seen as the heir to Neuvostoliitto?
  7. +3
    11 March 2023 00: 28
    the sale of 350 FIM-92K Stinger man-portable anti-aircraft guided missiles manufactured by Raytheon Corporation to Finland through the American program of intergovernmental foreign military sales Foreign Military Sales (FMS).

    According to unconfirmed reports, the "K" version of the Stinger is intended for installation on various platforms, and not just for "shoulder launch".
    There is an assumption that Stinger K will be added to one of the mobile platforms (IMHO, to RBS70 on ASRAD-R or to Marksman).
  8. +1
    11 March 2023 19: 27
    It is unlikely that the Finns will get rid of the Crotals. The machine is very good, changing it to ASRAD-R is losing performance.
    1. +1
      11 March 2023 23: 43
      Crotali, IMHO, will definitely be left, perhaps some other platform for the Stingers will be chosen.
      Old Stingers, 23 mm memory, part of the RBS70 can be given to the APU. Perhaps something else from NASAMS will be given away.

      So far, the Finns only want to buy Barak or David's Sling from Israel. Just in the spring of 2023, a decision must be made.
      Saab can offer a new platform for RBS70NG, they are actively promoting it, since the Finns already have RBS70.
      Perhaps NASAMS will upgrade to version 3.

      Well, they want something anti-drone in caliber 35 or 30 mm, this has become an obvious requirement in a year.
      1. +1
        12 March 2023 09: 05
        Quote: Wildcat
        Crotali, IMHO, they will definitely leave

        One way or another, with the "Crotals" purchased 30 years ago, something will have to be decided. These complexes have largely exhausted their resource, and in the next 5 years they will require repair and modernization. There is a high probability that the Finns will prefer to purchase new air defense systems than to upgrade the old ones.
        1. +1
          12 March 2023 11: 49
          hi
          Quite possible. But so far, no plans have been announced to purchase a new military air defense instead of Krotals request .
          Crotali, IMHO, will really be taken through some kind of "mid life uprguide" (repair with modernization). Finns are not particularly worried about our front-line aviation, since there are no plans to replace military air defense ... Of the unrest and urgent purchases - only a fence feel on the border to protect "from possible crowds of people in the east" ...

          IMHO, as you wrote, now, in the coming days, they will buy something long-range for air defense / missile defense from Israel. So far, they have the most long-range - NASAMS.
          Israel, by the way, is also waiting for a purchase: "As part of ITSUKO1, Finland received 5 proposals: two from Israel (Raphael and IAI) and one each from Germany, Norway and the UK. Two proposals made it to the final and both are Israeli. IAI proposes Barak-MX with LRAD ER missiles ( range up to 150 km), "Rafael" - "David's Sling" (David's Sling) with Stunner missiles (the range is usually not indicated, instead it is reported that "the system is capable of intercepting missiles with a range of 40-300 km"; presumably the range is the same 150 km) The winning company will have to integrate the system with NATO command and control systems." https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/1017697.html

          The Finns actually complain that they have no money and are glad that at least at one time Leo2 was successfully bought "on sale". Of the "fresh big purchases" they only have F35 and K9.

          Poland, unlike Finland, is arming itself at an extraordinary pace. belay
          How wonderful it would be if someone competent about the Polish armed forces wrote feel , few in Europe whole new divisions are real soldier going to unfold.
  9. +2
    11 March 2023 23: 27
    I found more Finns with Stinger, IMHO (and Spike and Nlau as part of the huntsman groups):

    https://youtu.be/k9le65YPuv0?list=RDCMUCM8qGnJrcCGQXCZuGenvrOQ&t=249

    Finns with the Needle and other interesting things:

    https://youtu.be/foipv7iVP-c?list=RDCMUCM8qGnJrcCGQXCZuGenvrOQ&t=362


    https://youtu.be/bTmWCbcYwb8
    and this is how it all, according to the Finns, should have worked at the hour "H", without any Molotov cocktails and plywood machine guns from the reservists.
    With mines under bridges, at sea and on land; Hymars, Jaegers and Hornets.
    PS Even the airport in the first hours, the Finns are preparing to beat off from 2020. How to "look into the water" request .