Combat use of the Inohodets UAV and its technical potential

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Combat use of the Inohodets UAV and its technical potential
Pacer with an X-UAV missile on an external sling, March 2022


One of the main domestic innovations in the field of unmanned aviation is the Inohodets reconnaissance and strike complex, which was put into service several years ago. UAVs of this type participate in the current military operation and regularly search for and destroy enemy ground targets. Judging by the available information, such an unmanned system and its weapons show high efficiency and complement other reconnaissance and strike weapons of the armed forces.



Combat work


For the first time, the combat use of the Pacer became known a year ago, in early March 2022. Then the Ministry of Defense spoke about the participation of the new UAV in the operation, and for the first time published a video with the results of combat work in a real conflict.

A short clip showed a drone in flight; under the fuselage was a transport and launch container with a guided missile. Then they showed filming of the target to strike - the enemy's command and observation post. The drone monitored this object, and also filmed the moment the rocket hit, the flash from the explosion and the fire that started.


Installation of TPK with a rocket on a pylon

In mid-March, new episodes of the combat use of Pacer were shown. This time, guided missile launches were carried out on enemy ground equipment, and a direct hit was demonstrated with the defeat of targets. It was noted that the unmanned complex worked in difficult weather conditions.

In the future, new videos were repeatedly published with the combat work of the latest reconnaissance and strike complex, incl. informal. Pacers attacked various ground targets, and their missiles demonstrated high hit accuracy.

A new video about the Pacer from the Ministry of Defense appeared a few days ago, on February 28. It is of particular interest because it shows not only the flight drone and the moment of hitting the target. For the first time during the Special Operation, a UAV was shown at the airfield and its preparation for departure. It is shown how the technical staff suspends weapons and inspects the apparatus. Then the engine starts and the Pacer moves off for takeoff. The operator of the complex also got to the frame, although his work was not shown in full detail.


The new video traditionally ends with aerial footage of the area where the enemy is located. They also again showed the moment of the missile's arrival and hitting the target. Reportedly, the UAV destroyed the observation and command post of the enemy battalion.

Forced demilitarization of Ukraine continues, and our armed forces will have to destroy a lot of enemy facilities. It is obvious that part of the ground targets of various kinds will be identified and destroyed by the reconnaissance and strike "Pacers". This means that in the near future the Ministry of Defense may show new episodes of combat use, and such materials will be received almost until the very end of the Special Operation.

Technical capabilities


The promising Pacer has been developed over the past decade by the Transas company and the Kroshtadt group. By the end of the tenth years, the complex was tested and in 2019 it entered experimental military operation. In 2020, it was officially adopted. To date, mass production has been launched that meets the requirements of the Ministry of Defense.

"Pacer" is an unmanned aerial system that includes a ground control station and several aircraft. It is intended for reconnaissance, detection and observation of ground objects, as well as for strikes using high-precision weapons. The composition of such a complex already includes several types of aviation weapons adapted for use on unmanned carriers.


The main element of the complex is the Inokhodets / Orion UAV itself. This is the first domestic serial UAV of the MALE class (medium altitude and long flight duration), as well as one of the first devices with strike capabilities. It is built according to the normal aerodynamic scheme and has an elongated fuselage, a straight wing span of approx. 16 m and V-tail. The takeoff weight of the UAV exceeds 1 ton. The payload is up to 300 kg.

The UAV is equipped with a piston engine with a two-bladed pusher propeller. With its help, the device develops speed up to 200 km / h. The flight altitude reaches 7,5 km. Optimized aerodynamics and power plant made it possible to increase the flight duration to a day.

As a payload, the Pacer can carry various types of optoelectronic stations with day, night and rangefinder channels. ECOs are used both for reconnaissance and in the use of weapons. It was also reported on the development of radio systems, such as a compact radar for tracking the ground situation.

The drone is controlled from a ground station in a container design. It has several workstations for operators, means of communication and data processing, etc. According to known data, one station can simultaneously serve several UAVs. For communication, a secure radio channel is used that directly connects the station and the drone. It is known about the development of satellite communications to increase the combat radius.


The result of hitting a ground target

Precision weapons


To solve strike tasks, the Pacer is capable of carrying weapons of various types. In connection with the development of reconnaissance and strike UAVs, our industry is now developing a new line of ammunition, originally intended for unmanned platforms. Some samples of this kind have already reached the point of practical application, incl. within the framework of the Special Operation.

Videos in recent months have shown the use of the X-UAV guided missile. This is a specialized modification of the Kornet serial anti-tank missile system, designed for air carriers. As in the case of the basic ATGM, an aircraft missile is guided by a laser beam. Flight performance has not yet been reported, but it can be assumed that launching from a moving high-altitude platform increases the overall flight range.

For advanced UAVs, KAB-20 and KAB-50 small-caliber adjustable bombs have been developed. They have a mass of tens of kilograms and carry a small explosive charge. Bombs are equipped with guidance tools, due to which the accuracy of the hit is increased and the limited power of the charge is compensated.


According to some reports, "Pacer" is able to use uncontrolled weapon. Its carrying capacity makes it possible to deliver a high-explosive fragmentation bomb of the OFAB-100-120 type to the target. In this case, the accuracy of the defeat is ensured by the on-board means of the UAV and the skill of the operator.

Drones in combat


Thus, the Inohodets unmanned aerial systems continue their combat work within the framework of the Special Operation and make a certain contribution to the demilitarization of Ukraine. From time to time, the Ministry of Defense publishes materials about their work, and there is every reason to believe that only a small percentage of sorties and hit targets become public.

As such combat work continues, the crews of the complexes and the VKS as a whole will gain the necessary experience, test and improve methods and tactics, etc. The industry, in turn, will be able to identify and correct the remaining shortcomings, as well as test new models of instruments and weapons. Based on the results of all these processes, the overall effectiveness and value of the Pacer for the army will constantly grow.
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  1. +6
    4 March 2023 06: 25
    In this way, unmanned aerial systems "Inohodets" continue their combat work within the framework of the Special Operation and make a certain contribution to the demilitarization of Ukraine.

    Are there convincing data and information about the large number of such products with the highest performance characteristics or - “again, great Iran”?
    The industry, in turn, will be able to identify and correct the remaining shortcomings, as well as test new models of instruments and weapons.

    It can, if it produces enough of them, based on feedback and complaints from numerous users ...
    1. KCA
      +11
      4 March 2023 07: 34
      I won’t say for sure, and no one will say, but the plant is located in my city, there are rumors that more than 40 complexes have been delivered, these are 120+ Orions
      1. +23
        4 March 2023 08: 48
        Now the roasted rooster has pecked and supplies have gone. But if at least someone was doing business in the Moscow Region, then by the beginning of the NMD in our army there would have been at least a thousand such UAVs with trained crews, and then the NMD would have gone completely differently, and the same Mariupol could not have been stormed by tanks and aircraft, but only to block and point-destroy such UAVs that would hang over them in dozens and kill, and they could reliably cover our rear columns, destroying ambushes and DRGs, and their rears could effectively nightmare not allowing them to move freely and destroy their MLRS, self-propelled guns and artillery.
        How many lives of our people it would have saved and how much destruction could have been avoided if at least one of our defense ministers had been engaged in business and not in sabotage and sabotage.
        1. -3
          4 March 2023 16: 48
          Quote: ramzay21
          But if at least someone was doing business in the Moscow Region, then by the beginning of the NWO in our army there would have been at least a thousand such UAVs with trained crews, and then the NWO would have gone completely differently

          According to the data of 2019, more than 2000 drones worked for our troops in Syria. Sobyanin and Manturov recently announced a new industrial area for the production of UAVs for various purposes in Rudnev on 100 hectares.
          "...Today, there are more than 40 thousand unmanned aerial vehicles for various purposes in the civil circulation of Russia. In five years, their production has increased by 2,5 times, exceeding 20 thousand devices per year. In Moscow, production has grown more than four times... ." (From an article from the official website of the Mayor of Moscow. For those who are interested ... wink )
          Quote: ramzay21
          and then the SVO would have gone completely differently

          Perhaps something would have changed, but not much. Here, a constellation of space reconnaissance satellites could make much more changes in the NWO. There, many years of underfunding of space programs had a more painful result for us.
          1. +8
            4 March 2023 21: 36
            According to the data of 2019, more than 2000 drones worked for our troops in Syria.

            This is if you count the quadrocopters of the PMC Wagner, but even so this is too big a figure, but in reality, at the beginning of the NMD, not every regiment had an Orlan reconnaissance UAV, and all strike UAVs were accounted for by units and they could not have any significant impact purely physically
            Sobyanin and Manturov recently announced a new industrial area for the production of UAVs for various purposes in Rudnev on 100 hectares.

            Firstly, they both have nothing to do with the army and the military-industrial complex, and secondly, these two storytellers-stealers can only cut loot and plunder the state budget, Manturov is generally one of those who destroyed our aviation industry for Boeing bribes and there are no guarantees that he does not work for Western intelligence , because not a single project of our aircraft is still working completely, because there are big doubts that he is not a traitor and pest.
            Perhaps something would have changed, but not much.

            Everything would have changed significantly. For example, Mariupol would not be demolished by tanks, but armored vehicles and ATGM crews would be destroyed by pinpoint strikes of ammunition, and there would be no such huge casualties among our soldiers or among civilians, and the city would be whole and not ruins. The same applies to Izyum, Ugledar, Volnovakha, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk and many other cities. The Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have had a safe rear and their Haimars would not have hit ours with impunity, because they would have been destroyed in the near rear like other self-propelled guns and artillery.
            And if a pair of strike UAVs accompanied each of our convoys, then most of the attacks would not have been as well as casualties among our fighters
            1. +1
              5 March 2023 16: 36
              Quote: ramzay21
              This is if you count the quadrocopters of the PMC Wagner, but even so this is too big a figure, but in reality, at the beginning of the NMD, not every regiment had an Orlan reconnaissance UAV, and all strike UAVs were accounted for by units and they could not have any significant impact purely physically

              This is your personal assessment. You don't bring anything to make you believe. But this:
              Quote: ramzay21
              Firstly, they both have nothing to do with the army and the military-industrial complex, and secondly, these two storytellers-stealers can only cut loot and plunder the state budget, Manturov is generally one of those who destroyed our aviation industry for Boeing bribes and there are no guarantees that he does not work for Western intelligence

              completed crime laughing Pray that Manturov or people close to him do not read VO. Otherwise, for you, "everything ... can change and significantly" laughing I don't have any claims against you. Just accept it as a legal fact ... A hundred times your idle talk will give you a ride without consequences, and a hundred and first times it can create an unbearable "comfort" for you, and none of you pluses for a demonstration for your freedom or innocence will come out ... request
              1. +3
                5 March 2023 20: 06
                We can even cite for quoting, you also need to be more careful)))
              2. 0
                1 May 2023 21: 41
                Well, yes, times have changed, and for many in VO, born and living in the USSR, it is not so easy to adapt to new realities that are changing rapidly. "Mad Printer" threshes non-stop
            2. 0
              7 June 2023 15: 15
              Mariupol - maybe. As for everything else, for the Soviet air defense systems, which until recently the Armed Forces of Ukraine had in sufficient quantities, MALE-class UAVs are not even a target. Another thing is that right now there are not so many of these air defense systems, and the ammunition load for them is running out, and NATO ones are supplied by the piece and they stick out mainly near Kiev. Right now, such UAVs in some sectors of the front could be effectively used.
          2. 0
            April 3 2023 17: 25
            2000 is a lot, but by the time of the NWO, about 1500 eagles had been released, although some of them had already been decommissioned ...
        2. -4
          5 March 2023 02: 55
          And what kind of "your ministers were engaged in sabotage and sabotage"? Who is this? Surnames in the studio. It is clear that such a smart strategist like you (if you were the Minister of Defense) would defeat all enemies with little bloodshed, and on foreign territory :) But, don’t make people laugh, sick: to fight is not to talk on the couch with your tongue .. Most likely , it’s just that the laurels of the famous Girkin-Kvachkov balabols do not give you rest :) ... It happens.
          1. 0
            7 June 2023 15: 12
            I don’t know about the laurels, but the Kronstadt site from Tushino will soon be kicked. Rostec-UEC sold this land even before the start of the NWO. Rent through 2024
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        3. -1
          1 May 2023 22: 13
          I completely agree with you, this once again shows the "level" of our generals. Eight years of sluggish conflict in Donbas have taught us nothing.
      2. -1
        5 March 2023 07: 39
        In my opinion, in the current conditions (enemy air defense), Orion should be used from our airspace for reconnaissance and surveillance. Giving targets -IB, with planning bombs and Tornado-S. I do not presume to judge 120+ is a lot or a little, but there should be enough of them to control the enemy to a depth of 30 km in 24/7 mode.
    2. +15
      4 March 2023 08: 38
      More than 20 years after the adoption of such a UAV by the Americans, after such advanced countries as Turkey and Iran, our army finally adopted a strike UAV with a NATO country engine and with a maximum of two ATGMs. Without specialized ammunition for UAVs, which even Iran has and which for this class of aircraft should have at least 8. And the Defense Ministry apparently has no brains to make a specialized school for operators of such UAVs at all.
      If at least one minister of defense over the past 20 years had thought about the combat capabilities of the army, then our army would have long ago had attack and reconnaissance UAVs, loitering ammunition in each company and quadrocopters in each platoon, and all interactions with other branches would have been worked out troops. After all, once our country was one of the world leaders in UAVs and we had about a thousand Tu-143 jet UAVs, and then there were 30 years of coma in the Moscow Region in this important area.
      1. +16
        4 March 2023 10: 44
        Well, a special school probably makes no sense, but the faculty of UAVs in aviation universities - yes. And for small UAVs, departments in all higher educational institutions ... As well as training units at higher educational institutions, where soldiers and sergeants will be trained, for small and medium UAVs ...
        Why specialized birds for large UAVs? On the contrary, it is necessary, where possible, to unify with the armament of helicopters and attack aircraft, in the future it will be their UAVs that will be replaced, not now, but by the middle of the century, manned transport systems will still remain, well, or at least with duplicated control, but there will be strike turntables and attack aircraft replace unmanned systems.
        1. +6
          4 March 2023 21: 09
          Well, a special school probably makes no sense, but the faculty of UAVs in aviation universities - yes. And for small UAVs, departments in all higher educational institutions ... As well as training units at higher educational institutions, where soldiers and sergeants will be trained, for small and medium UAVs ...

          Our Ministry of Defense has not done anything in this area for 20 years, no one teaches the UAV operator, there are no tactics for its use and interaction with other branches of the military, no one in the Ministry of Defense studies the experience of using and organizes the exchange of experience between UAV operators. Everything that is done is done ONLY by volunteers and patriot enthusiasts with their own money, and if, for example, they give a kick to Shoigu and those who buy weapons and form requirements for weapons and put these patriot enthusiasts in their place, they will provide the entire army with everything for little money and in a short time necessary
          Why specialized birds for large UAVs?

          Attack UAVs do not need ATGMs at all, like other weapons of helicopters and aircraft. Therefore, those who are friends with their heads put guided small-caliber bombs, which the shock UAV launches from a great height and they fly for kilometers and hit exactly the target indicated by the operator. And ATGMs were added to Inohodets simply because in our Defense Ministry no one bothered to create specialized ammunition for UAVs.
          You take an interest in the experience of countries more advanced in this, such as Turkey and Iran, it never occurred to any of them to attach a heavy ATGM to an UAV instead of 8 guided bombs with exactly the same warhead and range as our ATGM.
          1. -2
            5 March 2023 16: 50
            Quote: ramzay21
            Our Ministry of Defense has not done anything in this area for 20 years, no one teaches how to become an UAV operator

            Since 2009, the 924th State Center for Unmanned Aviation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has been successfully operating. Have you heard of this center? I think no. The rest of your blizzard on this topic is the fruit of your imagination and the desire to assert yourself by humiliating people you do not know in the business. This happens with people who have not reached the heights in life that they believe they have a right to. In short, the losers ... And there are, unfortunately, a lot of such people here on the resource, critics who are not capable of anything. Both among members of the forum and pseudo-journalists ...
        2. +5
          4 March 2023 22: 46
          No, no, just not schools and departments. This is a monstrous, out of touch with reality learning system! Now it will begin, one water, theory, because the UAVs have not been purchased ... Only practice, at training grounds and military units, on real mavics. What to cook there, for years of specialists or what?

          As for the Cornet, the standard one has a range of 5,5 km. Do not forget about the height from which Orion launches an anti-turret, 7,5 km. So there are some nuances.
        3. +1
          6 March 2023 14: 15
          Well, a special school probably makes no sense, but the faculty of UAVs in aviation universities - yes.

          Faculty of Unmanned Aviation of the Air Force Academy VUNTS VVS "VVA"
          https://vva.mil.ru/O_VUZe/Fakultety/4-Fakultet-bespilotnoj-aviacii
          Moreover, for example, in the Ryazan Airborne School, one of the educational programs:
          25.02.08 "Operation of unmanned aerial systems", qualification:
          "Unmanned aerial vehicle operator".
          "Operation and repair of the airframe and propulsion systems of aircraft."
          The term of study is 2 years 10 months.
          So it cannot be said that formally nothing has been done ...
  2. +3
    4 March 2023 06: 50
    Firstly, I would like to know what% of imported parts and from which countries this UAV has, and secondly, something is not clear that it was serially used. But maybe I'm just blind and can't see it.

    To solve strike missions, the Pacer is capable of carrying weapons of various types. In connection with the development of reconnaissance and strike UAVs, our industry is now developing a new line of ammunition, originally intended for unmanned platforms.


    That's when they develop and successfully show in action, then it will already be possible to talk about this.
    1. +3
      4 March 2023 11: 56
      Firstly, I would like to know what% of imported parts and from which countries this UAV has, and secondly,


      You in Russia cannot be understood, you "checkers or go", I doubt that Iran produces its Shahedas completely from localized components.
  3. +6
    4 March 2023 07: 39
    As the saying goes, expensive is rich. But the Ukrainians have air defense and all new systems are being supplied.
    This war needs cheap disposable drones.
    1. +7
      4 March 2023 10: 52
      One does not interfere with the other, but yes, expensive high-altitude UAVs are of little use until air defense is suppressed, we see this both with us and with Ukrainians ... Orions / bayraktars are used to a limited extent. Such systems are very good for controlling their territory, destroying single vehicles of all sorts of drgs. Such a UAV can fly for a long time and control large areas, detect and hit a jeep or boat or other equipment. In theory, even a turntable can be shot down by an ATGM ...
      It can also observe the enemy’s territory in the enemy’s front-line territory (20-30 km inland, flying over its territory), and their strike capabilities are of course small, and if it is necessary to deliver massive strikes, then ordinary turntables and attack aircraft are orders of magnitude more effective.
      1. +1
        6 March 2023 14: 22
        massive strikes, then conventional turntables and attack aircraft are orders of magnitude more effective.

        No. What we are seeing in the course of the current conflict. It's simple: losing 10 attack drones is much less painful than 1 trained crew of a helicopter or aircraft.
        In addition, given the current state of the art, the chance that an UAV operator will find and hit a target is much higher than a similar chance for an attack aircraft or helicopter pilot.
  4. -1
    4 March 2023 07: 52
    Hire Turks or Azerbaijan, they will show you how to show UAV strikes .......
    Compare the footage of Bayraktar strikes in the SAR and NKR with the actions of Orion and filming on this topic.
    And we have directors and cameramen like dirt
  5. +3
    4 March 2023 11: 28
    I have a question, in principle, the helicopter industry has long been worked out, a large unification of the model ranges has been achieved in each country of the manufacturer, the reliability has been tested and proven. Why are they not building helicopter-type UAVs ....
    In theory, a small helicopter, such as the Supercobra, due to the fact that the cockpit is not needed, could carry a variety of very powerful weapons.
    1. +8
      4 March 2023 12: 44
      "Why don't they build helicopter-type UAVs ...."

      - much more expensive than an aircraft circuit due to complex gearboxes and swashplate
      - more fuel consumption than a planning apparatus and, accordingly, a lower specific load capacity per unit of power
      - smaller flight radius.
      - it is more difficult to make it inconspicuous for the radar
      1. 0
        6 March 2023 17: 15
        At the last parades, aircraft-type and helicopter-type UAVs were carried. Unified by brains and weapons. And that's all.
    2. 0
      1 May 2023 21: 49
      There is everything in the Russian Federation, both production sites and developed models. There are many enterprises producing UAVs, including the helicopter type. One caveat, as I understand it, they are all private and work only by order.
      1. 0
        15 May 2023 11: 34
        Newans in another. Components. As soon as the 404s light them up, the supply will begin to shut down.
  6. -2
    4 March 2023 14: 02
    Quote: ramzay21
    and then the SVO would have gone completely differently, and the same Mariupol could not have been stormed by tanks and aircraft, but only blocked and precisely destroyed by such UAVs that would have hung over them in dozens and killed, and they could reliably cover our rear columns


    Do you know the cost of such a "bird"? Thousands... cut the sturgeon and return to our sinful land, which has both financial and production restrictions.
    The SVO, among other things, has a testing ground for field testing of new types of weapons. It is not very reasonable to deploy mass and very expensive production of "products" that have not been tested in real databases. But after they prove their effectiveness - then yes.
    And do not still turn the UAV into a prodigy and overestimate their capabilities. They are not very suitable for fighting a well-protected enemy. Or do you think that any "Azovstal" could be demolished by drones? Yes, there, at least, tactical nuclear weapons would be required to do without assaults.
    1. +5
      4 March 2023 15: 36
      The cost is several times less than that of aircraft and the cost of operation is not comparable at all! wink
      Bioaktars have proven effective where there is no air defense, for example, in a surrounded group or cover in the rear good
      And if you cover the UAV in an adult way: crush the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbaction with electronic warfare, on-duty fighters with PRR, then you can try with the current air defense, at least to destroy this very air defense! soldier
    2. +1
      6 March 2023 14: 26
      And do not still turn the UAV into a prodigy and overestimate their capabilities.

      This is the future of aviation. In terms of reconnaissance and shock functions, it’s already real.
      Or do you think that any "Azovstal" could be demolished by drones?

      Organize round-the-clock monitoring - yes.
      Stop any attempts to sorties and breakthroughs - yes.
      To apply point strikes - yes.
      It is quite suitable to completely paralyze the activity of the garrison of a powerful fortification with small means and with a minimum of risk.
      Well, the coercion to surrender ... at Azovstal, everything was decided not by bombs.
  7. +1
    4 March 2023 14: 32
    X-UAV most likely has semi-active laser guidance
  8. +1
    4 March 2023 18: 24
    Having flown here on a plane, looking at the overload, I think that the best means is rather drones for the army
    We have aviation only from it, zero use in this military conflict.
    Well, further on the topic, the Air Force and Air Defense were united, the Air Force tried to spend money on itself, and the air defense was of a static type, they reduced it everywhere, they didn’t build new C400s or ordered them.
    As the conflict went on, air defense became almost in the first place in protecting troops, command posts, communication centers. In the conditions of any conflict, it will depend on air defense whether your troops will be completely defeated
    Air defense is the first line of defense, then offensive troops go.
    Why it was necessary to unite the Air Force and Air Defense is not clear, air defense is needed not only for the Air Force
    Returning to unmanned vehicles, they will be better than aviation
    So think about what kind of generals we have in control, who did not pay attention to the development of air defense systems, unmanned vehicles. They shortened it. They do not take into account the specifics of future wars. And in general, tomorrow people may be replaced by robots on the field, a person is always afraid to attack.

    And why don't they make such combat vehicles?
    The future belongs to such machines

    doomsday war of machines against humans
  9. -1
    6 March 2023 09: 01
    Quote: ramzay21
    You take an interest in the experience of countries more advanced in this, such as Turkey and Iran, it never occurred to any of them to attach a heavy ATGM to an UAV instead of 8 guided bombs with exactly the same warhead and range as our ATGM.

    here one should be interested in the experience of Iran and Turkey in rewarding and raising generals who made failures. the rest of the experience is not important in the presence of such a situation.
    there is no incentive - it means that maxim machine guns will cling.
    and for dog-robots bought on Ali they will order covers and fasten birds to them.
  10. 0
    6 March 2023 09: 24
    Quote: Eroma
    The cost is several times less than that of aircraft and the cost of operation is not comparable at all!


    Nothing more than a myth. Given the weight of the payload. How many "bayraktars" are needed to replace one Su-25, in terms of onboard armament? Ten is enough?
    Considering that the cost of "bayraktar" (in full set) is about 3 million dollars. And we got the "rooks" from the USSR, they were paid for long ago in "wooden" rubles.
    1. 0
      6 March 2023 14: 35
      How many "bayraktars" are needed to replace one Su-25, in terms of onboard armament? Ten is enough?

      Taking into account the fact that the Su-25 fights with unguided weapons, there may be more real benefit from one Bayraktar. The load is good, of course, but it’s even better when it hits targets, and doesn’t “shoot somewhere there”.
      And yes, it is with us that "Bayraktar" is perceived as some kind of standard. Medium UAV, rather obsolete. There are much more advanced models. Even take the same Turkish Akinchi - the combat load is already comparable to the standard Su-25.
      Considering that the cost of "bayraktar" (in full set) is about 3 million dollars.

      Calculate how much it costs and how long it takes to train a Su-25 attack pilot. The comparative cost of attack UAVs and attack aircraft will sparkle with new colors.
      However, it's more about time.
  11. 0
    6 March 2023 11: 16
    There is practically no information in the media on the use of unmanned aerial systems "Inohodets". Here, either ours are encrypted, or they really aren’t in such numbers and there’s nothing to show. I think our Defense Ministry is just shrinking. After all, under the use of UAVs, it is necessary to change all the tactics and strategy of the Armed Forces
    1. 0
      6 March 2023 15: 37
      Such devices (Bayraktar, Inohodets) in principle cannot live for a long time in such a saturated air defense system. Therefore, either they simply do not fly up to the front line, or they are shot down almost immediately, or, extremely rarely, they can be used with success. For Inohodets, this is possible somewhat more often than for Bayraktar due to the fact that the Ukrainian air defense is now somewhat "pulled" to its rear.
  12. -1
    6 March 2023 21: 19
    A year has already passed since Shoigu showed us the launch of a new large UAV plant in the Moscow region. But Orions and pacers are still not visible in the NWO. If at least a hundred were made during this time, then they would be shown on all channels. But it doesn't seem like there's anything to brag about. Some cheap Chinese quadrocopters show them in action. Nothing is seen or heard about the altius UAV. But Rostec and UZGA encouraged to put it into production last year. It seems that neither the "Kronstadt" for the Orion, nor the UZGA for the Altius solved the problem with the engines.
  13. 0
    7 March 2023 09: 29
    Quote: Ryazanets87

    Taking into account the fact that the Su-25 fights with unguided weapons, there may be more real benefit from one Bayraktar. The load is good, of course, but it’s even better when it hits targets, and doesn’t “shoot somewhere there”.
    And yes, it is with us that "Bayraktar" is perceived as some kind of standard. Medium UAV, rather obsolete. There are much more advanced models. Even take the same Turkish Akinchi - the combat load is already comparable to the standard Su-25.

    Calculate how much it costs and how long it takes to train a Su-25 attack pilot. The comparative cost of attack UAVs and attack aircraft will sparkle with new colors.



    The Su-25 can also carry guided weapons, no need to make waves.
    And with unguided weapons, you can accurately hit the target, if you know how. Unguided weapons are cheaper, electronic warfare will not work against them, and it is more difficult to intercept them with air defense systems. It is too early to write off and completely replace with high-tech products. With a long conflict, even the Yankees cannot afford to fight only like this, "cast iron" is still in demand.

    And who is ready to supply us with the Turkish "Akinci" and how much does it cost, by the way? Not more expensive than "rook", I hope.

    Pilots for the Su-25 are already available and there are, as it were, enough of them. Here they work out the funds invested in them.
    And shock heavy drones are "jam for tomorrow." laughing
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      7 March 2023 12: 46
      The Su-25 can also carry guided weapons, no need to make waves.

      Maybe yes (though not in the basic modification and with some problems). There are two questions:
      1. What kind of load can he have?
      2. How many examples of the work of "Rooks" with guided weapons were noted during the NWO?
      Unguided weapons are cheaper

      What about efficiency?
      it is more difficult to intercept it with air defense systems.

      free-falling cast iron - yes. But with the carrier of this cast iron, everything becomes somehow sad, since the unsolvable problem of unguided weapons is a high risk for the carrier aircraft.
      Although no, it can be solved - by working with cabling. More precisely, an imitation of work.
      In a long conflict, even the Yankees cannot

      Guided weapons and created so that the conflict does not become long. Technical superiority contributes to the rapid defeat of the enemy.
      And who is ready to supply us with the Turkish "Akinci" and how much does it cost, by the way?

      Somehow I would still like to hope for Russian developments.
      Not more expensive than "rook", I hope.

      "..Training a highly professional military pilot in Russia costs from 3,4 to more than 7,8 million dollars, and the operator of an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is several times cheaper - about 200 thousand dollars, the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force told reporters on Wednesday (Air Force) of Russia, Colonel General Alexander Zelin.
      "A first-class front-line aviation pilot is trained on average for seven to eight years, and the cost of his training is about $ 3,4 million, while the training of a sniper pilot takes ten to 12 years and costs $ 7,82 million," Zelin said. .
      https://ria.ru/20090805/179779746.html
      And somehow everything becomes ambiguous. And, again, it's not so much about money, but about time.
      Pilots for the Su-25 are already available and there are, as it were, enough of them.

      I appreciate your optimism.
      shock heavy drones are "jam for tomorrow".

      Apparently, the Russian Defense Ministry also thought so. The result is visible in real time.
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      7 June 2023 15: 55
      And the pilots of the Su-25 do not feel sorry for ruining them for a "job" that could be done in a more "stupid" way. Everyone, or almost everyone, screwed up with the UAV. I strongly doubt that the United States now has a UAV in service suitable for use in the NWO. But they just don't need it yet. We need.
      PS: and not enough. Even 500-700 front-line aircraft are too few for such a conflict to seriously decide something in it. Previously, it would have been the Air Force of only one district or group of troops.
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    8 March 2023 09: 08
    Quote: Ryazanets87
    Maybe yes (though not in the basic modification and with some problems). There are two questions:
    1. What kind of load can he have?
    2. How many examples of the work of "Rooks" with guided weapons were noted during the NWO?


    1. Quite sufficient.
    2. CBO is not a show, what makes you think that everyone on TV will show you? Or are you able to prove that the "rooks" fight exclusively with unguided weapons?

    Quote: Ryazanets87
    What about efficiency?


    Efficiency? And what does this imply? Result \ cost?
    So unguided weapons are practically free. It is mainly from Soviet stocks. That is, it has already been paid. And since, due to the expiration of the storage period, it needs to be disposed of, we will dispose of it in the cheapest and most profitable way - combat use.
    So it's quite effective.

    Quote: Ryazanets87
    free-falling cast iron - yes. But with the carrier of this cast iron, everything becomes somehow sad, since the unsolvable problem of unguided weapons is a high risk for the carrier aircraft.
    Although no, it can be solved - by working with cabling.


    The carrier of guided weapons can also attack from air defense.
    Free-falling cast iron is not launched from a pitch-up. No need to mix free-falling FABs with NURSs in one pile.

    Quote: Ryazanets87
    Somehow I would still like to hope for Russian developments.


    Hope for your health ... I don’t bother you to hope, right?
    Then the mention of Turkish drones is past the checkout.

    Quote: Ryazanets87
    Guided weapons and created so that the conflict does not become long. Technical superiority contributes to the rapid defeat of the enemy


    In Hollywood action films.
    Vietnam and Afghanistan (how many Yankees were hanging out there?) prove the obvious thing: it’s not weapons that fight, but soldiers ...

    Quote: Ryazanets87
    I appreciate your optimism.


    Excuse me, I don't belong to the quick response whiner corps. laughing

    Quote: Ryazanets87

    Apparently, the Russian Defense Ministry also thought so. The result is visible in real time.


    Quite satisfactory.
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      10 March 2023 13: 33
      1. Quite sufficient.

      Great. But what about "Given the weight of the payload. How many "bayraktars" are needed to replace one Su-25, in terms of airborne weapons?" Not so much anymore, is it?
      2. CBO is not a show, what makes you think that everyone on TV will show you?

      "Everything is secret", yeah. Hundreds of materials online, including the use of guided weapons, for example, from helicopters. But specifically on the Su-25, they hide everything and you cannot give examples. OK.
      Efficiency? And what does this imply? Result \ cost?

      You are on the right track in realizing the meaning of this word. An effective means is one that solves the problem at a minimum cost. The use of "free" Soviet ammunition is not at all free and provokes risks of much greater losses - the death of the aircraft and the pilot.
      The carrier of guided weapons can also attack from air defense.

      The risk is less. The chances of destroying the target are more. Just everything.
      No need to mix free-falling FABs with NURSs in one pile.

      I didn’t mix anything - NURs are one of the varieties of unguided weapons, right?
      Hope for your health ... I don’t bother you to hope, right?
      Then the mention of Turkish drones is past the checkout.

      You don't bother me at all. You were the first to remember the truth about "bayraktars", they say, this is nonsense compared to the Su-25. "Green grapes".
      Vietnam and Afghanistan (how many Yankees were hanging out there?) prove the obvious thing: it’s not weapons that fight, but soldiers ...

      Armed soldiers are fighting. The better armed they are, the greater the chances of victory and the less losses. And yes, your example is incorrect. It was about inflicting a military defeat on the army / formations of the enemy, and not about solving political problems.
      Excuse me, I don't belong to the quick response whiner corps.

      I'm sorry. Choir them. Beautiful Marquise and VIA "We have everything - so everything goes according to plan", of course, sounds much more cheerful.
      Quite satisfactory.

      Russian aviation cannot even operate in the immediate rear of the enemy, Ukrainians ride in columns in broad daylight almost on LBS - I don’t know who this can satisfy. However, you can see.
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    9 March 2023 18: 39
    By the way, literally today I read about the Cornet ATGM, its weight in TPK is 29-33 kg, depending on the ammunition, and if you believe that the payload of this UAV is up to 300 kg, then this is up to 10 ATGM, quite a serious amount, not two maximum
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    9 March 2023 19: 02
    By the way, the engine on it is APD-110/120, and this, with a volume of 1,76 liters and a power of 140 hp (120 hp in some sources), can still be boosted without compromising the motor resource and, accordingly, increase the payload, on Japanese women from 2.0 liters they remove 280 hp, and from 1.3 - 160 and nothing, the engine life is normal (I myself am a mechanical engineer for the design of internal combustion engines by education)