Germany handed over Rheinmetall Skynex anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine

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Germany handed over Rheinmetall Skynex anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine
Artillery module on a vehicle chassis

Last year, it became known that Germany plans to send several Skynex anti-aircraft artillery systems manufactured by Rheinmetall AG to Ukraine. Supply of such weapons in accordance with the signed contract was expected only in the distant future. Now it is reported that the manufacturer has already sent the required ZAK to the Ukrainian formations. At the same time, such a supply is unlikely to be useful for the Ukrainian side and entails negative consequences for the German side.

For an unknown client


On December 9, the Rheinmetall group of companies announced the receipt of the first contract for the mass production of the latest ZAK Skyneks. Some details of the future delivery were disclosed, but the customer remained unknown.



According to official data, the contract provides for the manufacture of two complexes with a total value of 182 million euros. There was also an additional agreement for the supply of Rheinmetall HX trucks with a total value of 12 million euros. The finished products were going to be handed over to the customer at the beginning of 2024.

On the same day, the German edition of Handelsblatt revealed new interesting details of the latest Rheinmetall contracts. From unnamed sources in government circles, it learned that the German government is the customer for the two ZAK Skynex and trucks, and it will pay for the production. At the same time, Ukraine is listed as the actual recipient of the products.

On the last day of February, Rheinmetall AG CEO Armin Papperger gave an interview to Pioneer. He said that two ZAKs of German-Swiss production had already gone to Ukraine. This is one Skyranger product and the first of the previously ordered Skynex complexes. The total cost of the two complexes is approx. 200 million euros, i.e. significantly higher than the price of the December contract.

A. Papperger also revealed a curious feature of the last delivery. So, anti-aircraft weapons had to be removed from combat duty. Until recently, the transferred ZAK pair was involved in the air defense of Berlin. The capital was defended by four artillery systems, and now only half remain in service.


Different placement options for the combat module

How soon the shipped ZAK will appear in Ukraine is unclear. It can take only a few days for these items to be transported and delivered to the duty station. Apparently, Skynex and Skyranger will be deployed in or near Kiev to protect the military and political leadership of Ukraine, as well as related facilities. However, there is reason to doubt the possibility of effective application of the obtained complexes.

Promising complex


The Skynex complex is another result of the consistent development of small-caliber artillery systems, launched in the past by Oerlikon. In fact, the new complex is made on the basis of the older Skyranger / Skyshield by rebuilding some components and introducing new features.

Materials on the promising ZAK Skynex were first shown in 2016 at one of the international exhibitions. In the future, Rheinmetall continued the advertising campaign and promoted this product on the market. It was present at various exhibitions, incl. with demonstration of new configurations.

In parallel with the promotion on the market, development work continued and preparations were underway for testing. In 2021, for the first time, the combat operation of the complex was demonstrated in a training ground. An aircraft-type UAV was used as a training target. ZAK means successfully detected this target and hit it with the help of modern small-caliber projectiles.

The search for potential customers for serial Skynex continued for several years, and was successfully completed at the end of last year. As is now known, the government of Germany became the first buyer of such a complex. However, so far it has been limited to only two ZAKs, and they were acquired not for their own needs, but to help the Kyiv “allies”.

According to the latest statements by the leadership of the Rheinmetall group, the Skynex complex has already been sent to Ukraine. At the same time, such news raises some questions. So, it was previously reported that the first Skynex will be shipped to the customer only at the beginning of 2024. This means that production is just starting, and there are no mass-produced products yet. In addition, A. Papperger mentioned that the ZAK for Ukraine had to be removed from combat duty.


Container with radar

It can be assumed that in the context of Berlin's air defense, an older serial Skyranger / Skyshield complex was mentioned. In the case of the new Skynex, we can talk about an experimental complex previously built for use in field tests. Now he could be sent to Ukraine for verification in a real conflict. In addition, the participation of ZAK in the fighting will help the advertising campaign.

Technical features


Skynex is an anti-aircraft artillery system designed to protect various objects and areas, such as settlements, troop locations, etc. ZAK has a container design - it can be placed permanently or on self-propelled chassis, which will provide movement between positions. At the same time, work is possible only in position after deployment, but not on the move.

The typical composition of the Skynex battery includes several fixed assets. First of all, this is the Skymaster command post, responsible for data processing, target distribution and fire control. Illumination of the situation within a radius of 50 km is carried out by the Oerlikon X-TAR3D radar station. The complex can work independently and search for targets on its own. It is also possible to receive target designation from other air defense systems.

To defeat targets, automated container combat modules are used. Such a module can be placed on the ground or fire directly from a transporter truck. The module is equipped with a turret containing a 35 mm Oerlikon Revolver Gun Mk 3 automatic cannon. The module has an optoelectronic station and a target tracking radar for target tracking and gun guidance.

The Mk 3 product is a revolver-type cannon with several chambers and gas automatics. Ammunition - 250 shells in a linkless feed system. The rate of fire reaches 1000 rds / min., The initial speed, depending on the ammunition, is up to 1400 m / s. The possibility of effective firing at a distance of 4-5 km is declared.

The 35mm cannon can use the entire range of 35x228mm shots, both existing and future ammunition. High-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing tracer shells of various types are considered as the main ones. At the same time, the development of the family of 35-mm shells continues.


Workplace of operators in the command post

Now the company "Rheinmetall" offers customers a new fragmentation projectile with a programmable fuse AHEAD. It is alleged that such ammunition increases the likelihood of hitting air targets, incl. small. With it, Skynex can fight light UAVs, high-precision weapons and other complex targets. At the same time, accuracy has its price - about 4 thousand euros per shot.

Doubtful prospects


According to the latest news from Germany, in the near future Ukrainian formations will be able to receive and deploy the first Skynex-type ZAK. A second system of this type is expected to be delivered in the foreseeable future. In addition, the delivery of a similar complex of a different type is reported. Presumably, they will be deployed in the area of ​​Kyiv to protect the governing bodies and high-ranking officials.

It is easy to see that thanks to the existing contracts, Ukraine will receive a limited number of artillery systems. Thus, two Skynex ZAKs ordered include only a pair of radars, two command posts and no more than eight artillery modules. The practical use of such air defense will be very limited.

With the help of two complexes, incl. eight combat modules, it is possible to organize point air defense of several sections, slightly spaced on the ground. In addition, it is possible to cover a larger area, but in this case, the firing range of 5 km imposes obvious limitations. In addition, Skynex has other disadvantages that are typical for small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery.

An important feature of the promising Skynex is the improved ability to work in network structures or as part of a layered air defense system. The use of third-party target designation and the assistance of other ZAKs or SAMs can increase the effectiveness of the use of 35-mm guns. However, Ukraine does not have all the necessary means and complexes that would allow organizing a multi-component layered air defense system.

Predictable future


If the latest news is true, then in the coming weeks, new air defense systems in the form of the German-Swiss ZAK Skynex and other similar equipment may appear near Kiev. The Ukrainian leadership again hopes that foreign weapons will help it defend itself against Russian weapons.

However, the small number of received and promised anti-aircraft weapons, the impossibility of a normal air defense organization and other factors should lead to an understandable result. It should be expected that all delivered "Skyneks" or "Skyrangers" that interfere with the implementation of missile and aviation attacks will be detected and destroyed. Accordingly, new Russian strikes will show the required effectiveness, and the Rheinmetall AG advertising campaign will fail.
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  1. -9
    3 March 2023 04: 31
    According to official data, the contract provides for the manufacture of two complexes with a total value of 182 million euros.

    for two artillery air defense systems with a strike altitude of 4-5 km such money, it is not surprising that no one buys them. and the manufacturer decided to sell them to Ukraine
    1. +29
      3 March 2023 04: 42
      Two command posts and eight installations are very expensive? And for whom is it expensive? Krajina will receive it for free, I think that the calculations have already been trained. Well, the author did not disappoint, as usual, the new enemy equipment is "doubtful" and "ineffective" but our fifty-year-old, wow!
      1. +6
        3 March 2023 04: 55
        Quote: ASAD
        new enemy technology, dubious,

        and the Rheinmetall AG advertising campaign will fail.
        Like: from three meters it won’t get into the barn! feel
        1. -4
          3 March 2023 11: 15
          Worse - being in a barn will not get into the barn
      2. +4
        3 March 2023 10: 55
        Quote: ASAD
        Well, the author did not disappoint, as usual, the new enemy equipment is "dubious" and "ineffective"

        The author did not mention that she is WCH and against drones.
        Protect important objects from Kyiv from Geraniums
        Official video of the manufacturer
  2. -21
    3 March 2023 04: 58
    What is the point in these attempts? Russia has a dagger that will break through any air defense. Another question is that our government does not touch the enemy...
    1. +16
      3 March 2023 05: 10
      Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
      Russia has a dagger that will penetrate any air defense

      Which was used for a year either two or three times. I wonder why.
      1. +3
        3 March 2023 11: 22
        The answer is simple, because there is no more.
        1. +3
          3 March 2023 17: 50
          Not only because they don't. Also because there is no adequate target designation for a very expensive Dagger to hit a proportionally important target, while ensuring that its non-nuclear warhead is enough for this target, taking into account the QUO.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. 0
        5 March 2023 10: 10
        Which was used for a year either two or three times. I wonder why.

        Didn't think of a simple answer to your question? Maybe because there is a means for every goal? Dagger, a rather expensive complex, like Iskander. The latter at least has a subsonic missile, the price of which is close to Caliber. The number of air defense systems destroyed suggests that even without the Daggers, the VKS are doing a good job. Daggers, on the other hand, are more useful with special warheads, they are a deterrent weapon. The possibilities for breaking through air defense have been demonstrated for the West. There are no other goals for them, at least until they start smoking Zelensky with a gang of bunkers.
  3. +21
    3 March 2023 07: 10
    Ryabov and "Dubious prospects" - brothers forever
    1. +16
      3 March 2023 11: 23
      Ryabov, this is artificial intelligence trained to write the same articles)
      1. +5
        3 March 2023 17: 52
        Oh-oh-oh, you beat the breath! So far, things are the same with artificial intelligence as with air defense, but if the site owners were smart enough to entrust the writing of articles to ChatGPT, then there would be more articles, and the quality would be higher!
        1. 0
          12 March 2023 15: 24
          There is nothing to argue about here. ChatGPT is very good. I tried to translate technical texts from Chinese into English... On 4+. And articles are written by no less than 4. Truth can make mistakes in facts, dates and meaning sometimes. But who notices this?
  4. 0
    3 March 2023 07: 46
    1000 rounds per minute for this caliber is impressive, but how long can such a rate of fire be maintained? What queue length is required to hit a "typical" target? And is the range advantage so great compared to the 30 mm caliber?

    This thing can work very well against the Shaheeds, but it costs too much to be a comprehensive solution to this problem. We, as usual, preferred missiles.
    1. +3
      3 March 2023 16: 18
      There are programmable ammunition there, a couple of shells and there will be no Shaheda.
      For such small and slow targets, this is the ideal setup.
      1. 0
        6 March 2023 23: 55
        Quote: spirit
        There are programmable ammunition there, a couple of shells and there will be no Shaheda.
        For such small and slow targets, this is the ideal setup.

        According to the manufacturer's promotional video, it can be seen that one "small-sized and slow-moving target" has a queue of 0.7-1.5 s, that is, 11 - 25 shots in a queue. And this is for a target that does not make any maneuver.
  5. +3
    3 March 2023 08: 16
    Instead of identifying and destroying these ZAKs on the battlefield, it would be better to boast that they destroyed these complexes even at the entrance to Kyiv (well, or where the ZAKs were going to be installed). And so, they have not even been seen in action, but they have almost been destroyed. Apparently, they threw earflaps. Like the Leopards, the tanks have not yet reached Ukraine, and on the Internet channels they have not only been smashed, they managed to turn them into scrap metal! That's the kind of heroes we are!
    1. +8
      3 March 2023 11: 24
      Boast that they destroyed 20 or 30 pieces. Naturally high-precision strike. Konashenkov will not let you down
  6. -8
    3 March 2023 09: 36
    Quote: Negro
    Which was used for a year either two or three times. I wonder why.

    The complex is not cheap and it is cherished for the most valuable purposes, keeping in mind not only the war with the jester, but also with the main enemy. But, I didn’t mean this aspect, but the fact that we can demolish any air defense system, that would be the goal.
    As for the air defense of Ukraine, in fact it does not exist. It is fragmentary. To build a complete system, you need many different elements that cost billions of dollars. Also, they are not available. To make them, in addition to money, you also need time. This regime will not last that long, and no one will give so much money.
    1. +3
      3 March 2023 18: 19
      I don’t understand why everyone as one writes the Armed Forces of Ukraine are unable to create layered air defense. And why do they need layered air defense? take also AVAKs and satellite reconnaissance, then the efficiency increases significantly.
    2. +2
      4 March 2023 14: 13
      Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
      As for the air defense of Ukraine, in fact it does not exist. It is fragmentary.

      ))
      Let me remind you that the same air defense, which is practically non-existent, effectively prohibits the use of the Russian Aerospace Forces in its sky for a year.
      Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
      To build a complete system, you need many different elements that cost billions of dollars. Plus they are out of stock.

      I have no idea what a "full-fledged system" is, but according to reports at the moment we are talking about three full-fledged integrated missile defense / air defense clusters, from anti-missile to anti-drone levels. Well, Ukraine, neither the Russian Federation has any such bushes. It is hard to believe in the stories about the integration of the Shells, Beeches and S-400s, taking into account recent events.
  7. PXL
    -6
    3 March 2023 09: 42
    Compare with "Derivation-Air Defense".
  8. 0
    3 March 2023 10: 02
    Many countries make such systems. China has already done a bunch of everything from a 12-barreled Gatlink to 75mm. We can (need) also think about installing a module with a 57mm cannon with optics on a Typhoon 8x8 truck. UkroUAVs of the Shahid type will be produced and fly in our direction. In increasing numbers. And you can attach such machines to the Shell or Thor so that they receive the control center from the radar.
  9. +2
    3 March 2023 10: 23
    Those. UAV targets with aircraft-type inertia can easily cost less than one burst of 5-10 shells?
    Will an anti-radar missile turn off the radar and immediately 4 installations?
    The concept itself is cool. Our marker on the video of the target shooting dish from the PC shoots down. I'm sure that a person cannot do this - or rather, few people are not guaranteed. But the price!!!
    The future belongs to corrected air defense projectiles against every little thing - by radio / laser signal or something like that. Price - projectile / installation - target must be adequate.
    1. -1
      3 March 2023 14: 41
      At the moment (depending on height) option 4:
      - 30mm Shell shell
      - 57mm projectile (which is not a system)
      - shell rocket
      - Thor rocket
      1. -1
        3 March 2023 20: 11
        Option number 5: focused laser beam - no consumption b / c; a means of detection, target designation and destruction in one person; The reaction rate is only limited by the speed of light. As a disadvantage - a short range of damage and do not forget to pump up diesel fuel into the generator. good
        1. +1
          6 March 2023 20: 30
          Quote: Scharnhorst
          focused laser beam - no consumption b / c;

          This is a very common misconception based on science fiction films. The laser also has its own consumables - the resource of mirrors, in which the reflective coating deteriorates with each pulse, the fiber resource of the "lamp", which is measured not only in minutes, but also in inclusions. Little things like a reverse osmosis system for cooling water purification and filters in air preparation can be ignored. Extreme sensitivity to contamination mirrors that simply explode when contaminated - foreign debris heats up, spoils the coating, the damaged spot heats up more ... it takes a split second, and it cracks.
          A very high qualification of operators is required to set up and debug the laser system, there are not conscripts after school, as with missiles, but engineers after the university.
          The laser has only one plus - pieces of missile defense missiles do not fall on the heads of the population, since they do not exist.
    2. +1
      4 March 2023 17: 37
      Your approach is strange. A rocket for 10 rubles shoots down a drone for 000 ruble. "Ah! Not adequate!!!"
      And why don’t you take into account a tank or an oil storage facility for 100, which this drone can crash?
      1. +1
        4 March 2023 19: 13
        Quote: Monar
        A rocket for 10 rubles shoots down a drone for 000 ruble. "Ah! Not adequate!!!"

        I note that both the shahid moped and the Mavic 3 cost from $10K and up.
        1. 0
          7 March 2023 12: 11
          The question is in the ammunition and its mass character. You can shoot rockets at 50-100 thousand Baku missiles at NURSs from pipes massively flying towards you - shoot. The issue of economics and industry competencies.
  10. +2
    3 March 2023 11: 20
    If this is the same thing that a year ago appeared on a video where she works on a swarm of drones, then the surprise, of course, is unpleasant. According to kr. measure for "Geraniums".
  11. +2
    3 March 2023 11: 41
    Now he could be sent to Ukraine for verification in a real conflict

    It is for this that Skyshield and Skynex were sent to Ukraine.
    Skyshield is currently operated by Qatar, South Africa and Indonesia.
    In October 2022, a Qatari air defense spokesman revealed that Qatar would additionally purchase the Skynex modular air defense architecture from Rheinmetall, based on the Skymaster battle management system, which can link various Skyshield components.
    And in December 2022, Germany announced that Rheinmetall would supply two Skynex systems to Ukraine.

    Since Ukraine is the perfect testing ground for modern air defense, representatives from Qatar, South Africa and Indonesia, as well as other potential buyers of Skyshield and Skynex stocked up on popcorn, preparing to see how these Rheinmetall products perform in real combat conditions.
  12. +6
    3 March 2023 12: 40
    Relatively recently on the site, well, after the first paragraph I immediately understand that the author
    Ryabov Kirill))
  13. +5
    3 March 2023 13: 25
    Quote: Ryabov Kirill
    Technical features

    Quote: Ryabov Kirill
    Doubtful prospects

    Quote: Ryabov Kirill
    Predictable future

    https://topwar.ru/193199-na-ukrainu-nachali-postupat-reaktivnye-protivotankovye-granaty-at4-shvedskogo-proizvodstva.html
    Demilitarization queue. Polish self-propelled guns Krab came to Ukraine

    https://topwar.ru/197123-ochered-na-demilitarizaciju-polskie-sau-krab-popali-na-ukrainu.html

    https://topwar.ru/210438-norvezhskie-bmp-i-samohodnye-minomety-dlja-ukrainy.html

    https://topwar.ru/199687-nemeckie-rszo-mars-ii-dlja-ukrainskoj-armii.html
    I understand. This is a bot with signs of artificial intelligence.
    He scribbles like that about any NATO weapon supplied to Ukraine.
    "all nonsense, zero sense, queue for demilitarization."
    Along the way (I suppose) he works as a freelancer for Konashenkov.
    -------------------------------------------
    Seriously, it's a dangerous thing. It will take down all drones from aliexpress, which are buzzing on the front line, and it is difficult to put new ones (block on Russia)


    A start . ZAK will then be supplied with HALCON SkyKnight C-RAM / C-PGM. It is all the same for integration into the Skynex air defense system.
    16-channel for 1 radar
    CAR / AFAR
    Instrumental range 25, 35 and 50 km
    1. -1
      4 March 2023 14: 24
      Quote from Digger
      Will take down all the drones from aliexpress that are buzzing on the front line

      It's expensive to carry this to the front line. There are better solutions.
      1. -1
        4 March 2023 14: 45
        And what is expensive about it, compared to leopards and HIMARS?
        That's what she's meant for.

        Look, your "non-brothers" have already transferred everything to the local one.
        Of course not to sit in the trenches
        There are better solutions.

        What?
        1. +2
          4 March 2023 16: 51
          Quote from Digger
          What's expensive about it

          One hundred lyam for the complex, it is written.
          Quote from Digger
          That's what she's meant for.

          It is designed to protect bases in low-intensity conflicts. Of course, it can also be used in high-intensity CBO, but it is advisable to do it wisely. If you broke an expensive gift, then it’s not a fact that the next one will be sent.
          Quote from Digger
          What?

          Any cheaper and mass. Cheetahs, old versions of the same Oerlikon,

          and ending with the now numerous machine gun, grenade launcher and light gun modules from that Kosberg. Hundreds are required.

          And this child prodigy should work in the rear. Areas of concentration of forces, logistics hubs. Maximum position of long-range artillery, but this is already risky, too close. She will not intercept an artillery shell or a salvo of MLRS.
          1. -2
            4 March 2023 18: 54
            98 million. This is not expensive for Europe
            Any cheaper ones will not even be detected, and if they are detected, they will not fall.
            The wheeled Vartan on the MAN chassis is not in vain made and it is supplied.
            Stationary - stationary platforms are stored, but they have not yet been delivered
            A volley of rocket launchers intercepts the HALCON SkyKnight C-RAM/C-PGM.
            Although on tests, ZAK also shot down ammunition from the RSZO. They are not able to work against Artsystems.
            1. +1
              4 March 2023 19: 12
              Quote from Digger
              98 million. This is not expensive for Europe

              It's expensive for Europe. For that kind of money you can buy 30 pieces of cheetahs.

              Quote from Digger
              Any cheaper ones will not even be detected, and if they are detected, they will not fall.

              This is very disappointing, since they are made precisely in order to detect and hit. According to rumors, the problem of shahid mopeds was completely solved by old-fashioned methods: ZU-23-2 and the like.

              Quote from Digger
              A volley of rocket launchers intercepts the HALCON SkyKnight C-RAM/C-PGM.

              Watching what a volley. If divisional then no.
              Quote from Digger
              Although on tests, ZAK also shot down MLRS ammunition

              Single, not in a volley. Any anti-aircraft system can be overcome by saturation.

              You refuse to understand the main idea. LBS requires relatively cheap and relatively mass-produced systems. The discussed sample is not such a system. Of course, this does not mean that it is useless. You just don't need to drag him to the front line.
              1. -2
                4 March 2023 22: 55
                I refuse to understand anything.
                It's just that someone's thought, even if the "basic" one, is not the ultimate truth.
                And they will be at the forefront
                And yes. I screwed something up, old age
                "100 lyams" is not worth a MAN 6x4 truck with a module and a radar. A complex.
                I'm guessing the battery.
                And this "ZU-23-2" on the chassis from RM is unlikely to cost more than 1-3 million rubles.
                I'll figure it out, but later.
                1. -1
                  5 March 2023 13: 21
                  Quote from Digger
                  I'm guessing the battery

                  Radar, control center and 4 art installations. One gun mount is naturally cheaper, but also no less than a tank.
                  Quote from Digger
                  And they will be at the forefront

                  One can hope for the stupidity of the enemy, but one cannot count on it.
                  It's just that someone's thought, even if the "basic" one, is not the ultimate truth.

                  For military operations on a wide front, sufficiently numerous and, if possible, uniformly equipped units are needed, and not 2 prodigies per 800 kilometers. This is a fairly simple idea.
                  1. -2
                    5 March 2023 14: 46
                    Quote: Negro
                    One gun mount is naturally cheaper, but also no less than a tank.

                    BAAINBw: auf sieben Jahre angelegte Rahmenvertrag umfasst laut Rheinmetall insgesamt 2.271 Fahrzeuge der neuen HX2-Baureihe im Bruttowert von rund 900 Millionen Euro.
                    1 car = 396 Euro (MAN Military Vehicles (RMMV).
                    average for the hospital and 6x4 and 8x4 and 8x8
                    Oerlikon 35mm Revolver Gun Mk3
                    The module costs hardly more than 1 Euros
                    Eine Schweizer Firma liefert Kriegsmaterial im Wert von rund 200 Millionen Franken nach Qatar – für die Fussball-WM 2022


                    given that one charge in the store is 225-250 ammunition, and the rate of fire is 1000, I can assume that most of the amount is ammunition

                    Total about 1,5 million for ZAK on a wheelbase.
                    many times smaller than a tank. This is clear even if you do not understand the cost of products at all.
                    .. Rheinmetall: The success of the Gepard 35mm anti-aircraft tank in Ukraine highlights the effectiveness with which cannon air defenses can fend off aerial targets, especially cruise missiles and drones.

                    where there are two installations, there are a hundred.
                    1. -2
                      6 March 2023 00: 25
                      Quote from Digger
                      1 car = 396 Euro (MAN Military Vehicles (RMMV).
                      average for the hospital and 6x4 and 8x4 and 8x8

                      And what about the price of the car? By the way, the price is insane, a chassis of this class can be taken for $100K.
                      Quote from Digger
                      The module costs hardly more than 1 Euros

                      These are your guesses. Rheinmetall products are famous for their insane cost.
                      Quote from Digger
                      Total about 1,5 million for ZAK on a wheelbase.
                      many times smaller than a tank.

                      Not in the case of German technology.
                      Quote from Digger
                      where there are two installations, there is a hundred

                      You see, they don't have hundreds of such installations. By the way, fifty more cheetahs would have been found, there would have been a much larger needle.
                      1. 0
                        6 March 2023 00: 59
                        By the way, the price is insane, a chassis of this class can be taken for $100K.

                        Citizen. You have never bought a “chassis” at BRD factories (or anywhere else), and even more so you have no idea about RMMV.
                        And yes. It also costs €.
                        Not in the case of German technology.

                        I don't trust this "specialist".
                        My two, delivered in 2007, are still running in the north.
                        With only one repair in Germany (still “expensive”) + mileage back / forth + ferry back and forth ... however, no one began to repair in “cheap” (at the cost of services / work) Russia. Something like this hi
                      2. +1
                        6 March 2023 16: 40
                        Quote from Digger
                        I don't trust this "specialist".
                        My two, delivered in 2007, are still running in the north.
                        With only one repair in Germany (still “expensive”) + mileage back / forth + ferry back and forth ... however, no one began to repair in “cheap” (at the cost of services / work) Russia.

                        You do not believe me, but confirm my stereotypical statements. Yes, it's expensive (relative to Korean-Chinese and even Europeans) and yes, it's hemorrhoids in service. But yes, if money is not a problem, then it's worth a try. The most luxurious offer on the market. I don't know how oshkosh to agree with this statement or not.

                        I think you have already noticed that our bickering is meaningless. According to your "feelings" this fool is worth a million euros, according to my 3-5. And how the Ukrainians will use them - we'll see in a couple of months. So far I have seen the same cheetahs in the role of object air defense, and not military. Even cheetahs.
                2. +1
                  5 March 2023 16: 14
                  IMHO, but the price of 90 million is a rounding off from a contract for two units - 182 million.
                  A typical supply included several - probably six - gun stations, a command post and detection/guidance radars, plus ammo and training.
                  The price is 182 million ye. in 2022, in principle, coincides with the price of 2011 for a set of Mantises (equipment, training, documentation, BC): "The first two systems cost about 110,8 million euros, plus another 20 million euros for training and documentation. As part of a follow-up contract worth around 13,4 million euros, Rheinmetall will also supply the relevant ammunition to the Bundeswehr."

                  IMHO, of course, but these memory devices are now the most effective and cheapest way to protect not only from the CD, but also from aviation and Lancet-type drones. "Compared to other systems, Skynex offers a financial advantage: while the price per unit of defensive missiles is between 300 and 000 euros, according to industry circles, it has been said that it costs about 500 euros to shoot down an aircraft with a Rheinmetall system."https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/ruestungsindustrie-rheinmetall-baut-neue-skynex-flugabwehr-fuer-die-ukraine/28859200.html
                  300-500 thousand ye. this is IMHO one shot of IrisT or Sayd9X, Amraam from NASAMS is more expensive, more than 1 million ye. MANPADS and those cost around 200 thousand ye.

                  Now, judging by the video from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, protection against drones for self-propelled guns is carried out, for example, by a heavy machine gun (there was another option with MANPADS), but this is simply "better than nothing and so that the personnel do not worry too much."

                  IMHO, as soon as the corps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine appears on the battlefield in the spring (several sources claim that in addition to the brigades, higher-level formations appeared), these memory units will be sent to the military air defense along with the Cheetahs. And the air defense of the rear will just be left at 23/20/14,5/12,7/7,62 mm., MANPADS and non-mobile air defense systems.
                  IMHO, of course, but it would be stupid for the Armed Forces to collect Leo, Bradley, SV90, Strykers, prepare 2-3 corps and leave them without adequate air defense. We won't be so lucky.
                  1. -1
                    6 March 2023 14: 11
                    Well, in principle, I am higher, but more briefly, I wrote everything
                    -Yes, they will be at the forefront (which is strongly opposed by @Negro)
                    They are inexpensive by Western standards.
                    -and yes, they will be forced to cover their delivered equipment
                    1. +2
                      6 March 2023 15: 54
                      IMHO, of course, but the question "what is better for the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - a lot, but not the newest or new, but not enough" is a simplification to two possibilities, from which they will supposedly choose.

                      In reality, no one chooses, they take what they give.

                      They also bring the "old" one to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I came across a photo of the M55 memory device with a "funny" sight with an LCD display, it seems, also with a rangefinder. The well-known Poroshenko is looking for trucks "in landfills" on which they put ordinary Zu23.
                      They make "old-new", for example, the "Czech" anti-aircraft system "MR-2" Viktor "" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the money of the Netherlands (IMHO) was born by "crossing" two KPVT, Land Cruiser70 and an unnamed, secret, but "according to the description of a miracle sight".
                      https://www.czdefence.cz/clanek/mr-2-viktor-nenapadny-bojovnik-proti-dronum
                      The latest Irist for the Armed Forces of Ukraine was generally "asked" from Egypt.

                      they are inexpensive by western standards
                      IMHO, this is true, and if we consider the "price for one use" indicator, then there are no competitors at all (especially if you also take into account the bonus in the form of intercepting mortar mines and MLRS). The only competitor could be the "wetted" Bushmaster2 30mm with AHED, but for some reason it is not positioned in the USA as anti-drone / air defense / S-RAM, but Phalanx is used.

                      and yes they will be forced to cover their delivered equipment
                      we live in a wonderful time, the plans of the parties usually first appear in the TG, and only then - in life.
                      The Russian Air Force is definitely preparing: "How is our aviation?
                      Yes, just like all other troops, clans and species.
                      Aviation in anticipation of the onset x/////c.
                      Our rush is creeping to the right.
                      According to the fresh video of the objective control of the operation of the Whirlwinds that has sharply disappeared, we can conclude that the work of aviation has now been reduced almost exclusively to the work of the UMPC (which, by the way, is already available not only in calibers of 500kg), PBK, tactical and cruise missiles, to a minimum and only where it’s really needed, and the main efforts in aviation are now focused on training young flight crews (the “Chinese” sets of past years were not in vain), the rotation of flight crews, the commissioning of equipment and the creation of stockpiles of ammunition.
                      As long as it's not a parade. If only, s / / o, not a parade ...
                      Let's wait a little longer. Everyone is waiting. And we and x///s.
                      "https://t.me/s/fighter_bomber
  14. +1
    3 March 2023 19: 01
    The thing is good and against Geraniums should be very effective. The only question is quantity. 8 installations can cover Kyiv along the perimeter, but they will have to be installed on the outskirts of the city. And given the low power of the 35 mm projectile, Geranium will not be destroyed in the air, but will be knocked out, continuing to fly by inertia and falling on residential buildings. Not Caliber, of course - the whole entrance will not be demolished, at most an apartment.
    1. +2
      3 March 2023 22: 50
      Yes, not only UAVs are missing, but all the air. Kirill does not consider such an important component, namely open architecture. And this is integration with all NATO systems, that is, counter-battery, air defense, any infantry fighting vehicle, aircraft, etc. Further, more new SAM. The ability to launch 16 missiles in 3,5 seconds, missiles are multidirectional, up to 60 in a container. This is a very strong competitor to our Pantsirs and Tors. And the key here is the network. They see everything, not a "narrow" sector and almost all heights , because information will come from everyone. This is a serious application. And the supply of this equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is nothing more than a test in combat conditions.
    2. -1
      6 March 2023 14: 17
      And given the low power of the 35 mm projectile, Geranium will not be destroyed in the air, but

      She will break the geranium like a heating pad.
      I can send photos of test firing.
  15. +5
    3 March 2023 20: 14
    However, the small number of received and promised anti-aircraft weapons, the impossibility of a normal air defense organization and other factors should lead to an understandable result. It should be expected that all delivered "Skyneks" or "Skyrangers" that interfere with the implementation of missile and air attacks will be identified and destroyed. Accordingly, new Russian strikes will show the required effectiveness, and the Rheinmetall AG advertising campaign will fail.
    Lord, how can it write again and again?
    1. 0
      3 March 2023 22: 57
      It won’t fail, then they put the APU to run in and finalize. This is just one part of a large multi-level system. An attempt to create a system from all art, mortars, UAVs, air defense and ground targets (there are two lasers, one works in the air, the other on the ground)
    2. +1
      4 March 2023 13: 37
      Quote: WFP-1
      God, how can you write this over and over again?!

      Comrade collects pluses. That's all.
  16. Uno
    +10
    3 March 2023 20: 44
    It seems to me that Ryabov writes all articles according to a template, even the headings are the same)

    Promising complex (insert the right word)
    Doubtful prospects (insert the correct word)
    Predictable future (insert correct word)
  17. +1
    5 March 2023 05: 21
    Already by the subtitle I guessed who the author of the article was. I checked, I'm not mistaken :)
    In general, as usual: with each new delivery of even the most modern weapons, Europe only gets poorer, Ukraine generally weakens, and Russia grows stronger and only wins.
    Sometimes the thought creeps in: "Is not General Konashenkov engaged in creativity under the pseudonym of the respected author Kirill Ryabov?"
  18. +1
    5 March 2023 13: 57
    Quote: Proctologist
    Oh-oh-oh, you beat the breath! So far, things are the same with artificial intelligence as with air defense, but if the site owners were smart enough to entrust the writing of articles to ChatGPT, then there would be more articles, and the quality would be higher!

    And this is not ChatGPT, but the unparalleled RyabovGPT)
  19. -2
    5 March 2023 18: 49
    Small circuits do not tolerate any special radiation very well. Are there really no "black boxes" where you pressed the button - and for 100 km everyone's Skynexes, drones, and motorolas stopped working?
  20. 0
    April 2 2023 22: 13
    Accordingly, new Russian strikes will show the required effectiveness, and the Rheinmetall AG advertising campaign will fail.


    I dare to ask, dear Ryabov Kirill, how effective have Russian missile strikes been? Ukraine "froze" in winter? Rolled back to the 19th century without electricity and water supply, and now Ukrainians cook food on fires? Have the railway junctions and the routes by which Western military equipment is delivered to the LBS been destroyed? So, where did Ryabov Kirill consider this very "efficiency"?
    1. 0
      21 May 2023 02: 19
      Stopped production. The deficit has grown, now Ukraine hangs like a stone on the neck of the West. Feed her, pay.
  21. 0
    21 May 2023 02: 17
    What an outrageous cost. What budget should this be? Some kind of trucks for 12 million. They completely went crazy.