A new test of the old air defense?

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A new test of the old air defense?

A Ukrainian-made UJ-22 drone fell in Russia, a hundred kilometers from Moscow, and, if you draw a hypothetical vertical line, it fell OUTSIDE Moscow.

Today it makes no sense to ask the question of what caused the fall of the UAV, the operation of electronic warfare, running out of fuel or software errors. This is not the main thing, the main thing is where the device fell.




In general, after the Crimea, Engels, Yeysk, Belgorod, Voronezh and all other settlements, one should not be particularly surprised. The Ukrainians have been testing our air defense system for a long time, and not without success.

But being so close to the capital is a new step in the development of Russian airspace.

The village of Gubastovo is located 100 kilometers from Moscow, the city of Kolomna - 110 kilometers. A UAV fell between them. This is the Kolomna district of the Moscow region. From here to the border with Ukraine about 450 kilometers.


A logical question arises - why?

Suppose there really is a compressor station owned by Gazprom in the area. Target? Yes, it is quite. Very good, moreover, getting into the compressor station will be accompanied by quite decent special effects, on which you can make good PR. And if he arrives in Moscow City, there will be just a sea of ​​PR. Stormy.

Pictures of the wreckage show that it is clearly a UJ-22 manufactured by the Ukrainian company UKRJET.


This is an aircraft-like drone with a three-wheeled chassis that is designed to take off and land on a regular asphalt or concrete strip. Powered by a small gasoline engine turning a single three-bladed propeller, the drone has an absolute maximum range of 800 kilometers and can stay in the air for up to seven hours at a cruising speed of up to 110 km/h, according to the manufacturer. This, in principle, would put the Moscow region within reach from a starting point near the Ukrainian-Russian border.

The actual range and payload of the UJ-22 is, of course, dependent on its payload. The manufacturer UKRJET claims that the onboard communication lines of the UAV allow direct control of the operator at a distance of up to 100 kilometers. The UJ-22 can fly long distances to a designated location using a pre-set flight path in the control unit.

UKRJET has shown weapons options for the UJ-22 in the past, which included hardpoints for mortar rounds and bombs made from rocket-propelled grenade warheads. Potentially, the UJ-22 can be turned into a makeshift kamikaze drone by adding some heavier warhead to the suspension.


From what was seen in the wreckage inspection plan, it is not clear whether the drone, who fell near Moscow, or he was unarmed. But even if there were no weapons, flying a vehicle like the UJ-22 into this part of Russia could provide the Ukrainian military with valuable information about our air defense capabilities, especially in terms of the ability to detect and track relatively small targets.

We, too, generally understand the meaning of these tasks, hence the “Shells” on the roofs of buildings in the center of Moscow, protecting the Kremlin, and additional S-400 anti-aircraft missile batteries deployed within the city in recent months. This is all in addition to the existing and quite strong air defense of the capital.

Whatever the payload of the UJ-22, and regardless of the objectives of its mission, the fact that he managed to get within 100 kilometers of Moscow is a significant event that Ukraine is definitely using for propaganda purposes.

Of course, the UJ-22 is not a Reis or a Swift from Tupolev, a less visible vehicle, and therefore a big problem for air defense.


However, today many quite rightly point out that there are many stumbling blocks for Russian air defense. Especially the drones.

The Internet is full of evidence that Ukrainian drones behave in Russian airspace in much the same way as their Russian counterparts in Ukrainian. The only question is quantity.

The last few days have been "hot" in this regard. Several UAVs fell in the Belgorod region, one exploded at the Rosneft oil depot in Tuapse, setting a small fire. Plus explosion and fire in Yeysk. The wreckage of another drone was found in the republic of Adygea, neighboring the Krasnodar Territory. Plus, an incomprehensible bustle in the sky over St. Petersburg, when Pulkovo airport was closed and fighter jets appeared in the sky.

And the "air raid alert" was announced by hackers, who hacked into several radio stations in southern Russia.

In general, Russian air defense is already gradually accustoming the citizens of the country to the fact that Ukrainian devices can do almost everything in our skies. But flying and exploding is just a mandatory program. Ukraine regularly tries Russian air defenses to the teeth and regularly succeeds.

Perhaps this was the reason for the reassignment of the army air defense to the conduct of the VKS.

Today, many people talk about the expediency of such a move. Different people express different opinions. Opinions are divided.

According to unconfirmed information so far, the front-line air defense was withdrawn from the subordination of the Ground Forces and reassigned to the main command of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Approximately in the same way as at one time the front-line was withdrawn from the Ground Forces aviation.

Yes, we, in fact, had two air defense systems: the first, as part of the Ground Forces, was engaged in escorting and covering units in combat zones, the second, as part of the Aerospace Forces, was engaged in the protection of strategic facilities.


It is clear that the weapons of these two systems were different. Air defense-missile defense troops are armed with A-135 anti-missile systems and S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. As weapons close combat - "Pantsir-S1".

Air defense as part of the Ground Forces is armed much more diversely. S-300V, "Buk" of all modifications, "Thor", "Osa", "Tunguska", "Shilka", "Strela-10".

During the Soviet period, the USSR Air Defense Forces constituted one of the five branches of the Armed Forces, including anti-missile and anti-space defense forces, fighter aircraft, anti-aircraft missile forces and radio engineering troops. Accordingly, the air defense forces were controlled by the commander-in-chief of this type of the USSR Armed Forces, which simplified the coordination of actions within the structure.

However, in the post-Soviet period, the air defense forces were divided between the VKS and the Ground Forces. Merging into one system, some experts believe, will allow more efficient use of air defense in conjunction with aviation.

Forecasts, of course, are replete with the words "probably", "possibly", "presumably". How realistic all this is is a matter of time, and quite a long one at that.

The creation of a unified air defense will probably increase the effectiveness of its operation. When protecting stationary objects.

As one of the experts said, "This should eliminate the shortcomings that the military air defense system turned out to be subject to due to its specifics, related precisely to covering troops and clearly insufficient experience in covering civilian objects."

That is, hypothetically, we are already talking about attracting army air defense to protect civilian facilities. But then a fair question arises: how will the troops be protected? MANPADS?

The idea of ​​a unified automated air defense control system is not a bad idea. And, it is quite possible that this will affect the effectiveness of air defense in general, and the ancient Soviet drones will no longer cut through the country, hitting strategic targets such as the Long-Range Aviation airfield.

Many experts started talking about the fact that the reassignment of the Air Defense Forces to the jurisdiction of the Aerospace Forces would suddenly have a positive effect on the supply. That the missiles will be delivered uninterruptedly and in the right quantities. It is, of course, just fine, but who forbade doing it before? Or is the logistics of the VKS a cut above the logistics of the SV?

Okay, we'll see.

In general, it seems that the transfer of army air defense to the VKS can serve the benefit in terms of improving the interaction of the two former air defense systems. But as experts with a different opinion rightly point out, in order to effectively cover the troops, it is necessary that all air defense units of the Ground Forces always be in the troops. Not only man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems or the Tunguska anti-aircraft missile system, but also Pantsiri-S1, as more powerful and useful systems.


In general, the very idea that air defense is actually being taken away from the Ground Forces is not very beautiful. At one time, front-line aviation was taken away from the SV. And if before coordination and interaction, which was so much criticized in the NMD, were carried out between structures of the same type of forces, now the SV and VKS will be coordinated. How effective it will be is the question.

Another ill-conceived decision? Not obvious.

According to estimates, the air defense of the VKS shoots down more aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine than the air defense of the SV. Not critical, but more. Here, of course, fighter aviation also plays a role, but it is possible that they began to look for the root of the solution precisely in establishing the effectiveness of air defense of the SV under the leadership of the VKS command.

The previous scheme for organizing air defense with the division into military and object did not work so badly. The question is, is it worth making such changes in the middle of a war? Establish new interactions, coordinate and so on?

There is an opinion that just the air defense of the Aerospace Forces is not quite (or rather, not at all) coping with its tasks of covering objects far from the front line. There, in the NWO zone, at least large objects in the sky do not feel free and calm. Yes, small UAVs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fly where and how they want, and so far nothing can be done about them, but airplanes and helicopters have problems.

When today many people started talking about "layered air defense", they meant that the former army air defense would become the first frontier on the way of everything that flies towards the Russian border. Well, it is quite possible that this will be a decent move. Indeed, if the air defense of the airborne forces is not able to cope with everything that flies in our direction, it is possible to put army and airborne forces in one system - this is not a bad idea.

Another question: what will happen to the priority tasks of the army air defense, who will distribute priorities and on the basis of what? Wouldn't it turn out that the Su-25, which is sneaking to the front line, will be ordered to close its eyes, because another drone flew into the Krasnodar Territory?

There are a lot of questions. What will be the ways of solving problems, time will tell. The only problem is that time is not playing on us today. It may sound controversial, but this was proved by Ukrainian drones in the Krasnodar Territory and a hundred kilometers from Moscow. I don't even want to think about simpler regions.

In the end, we can say that the Ukrainian tests of the combat effectiveness of the old Russian air defense were done "good". The process of responding to checks has begun, let's see what happens. And how will the Armed Forces of Ukraine respond?
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  1. +15
    3 March 2023 04: 11
    Demography is the key to solving the country's problems and a donut hole at the same time.
    25-30 years ago it was necessary to give birth to a generation of winners.
    Now we can only talk about maintaining retail sales and mortgages.
    Air defense is a continuous field and a sphere in an empty country, apparently too expensive - only in pockets.
    We will see how air defense will work in China with the subjugation of Taiwan.
    Throw shoes and save awl soap and underpants.
    Or cover the entire territory from missiles and "maviks" of the United States? Not "Germans"
    1. -10
      3 March 2023 04: 31
      Let's hope that the commander of the Aerospace Forces Surovikin will combine both types of troops into one really effective one. Got another slogan. In short, we'll wait and see what results we get.
      1. +17
        3 March 2023 06: 51
        Shariy has a video, a copter flew to an airfield in Belarus and sat on the antenna of a really whole AWACS aircraft. And flew away, probably promised to return.
        1. -4
          3 March 2023 07: 37
          Quote: ASAD
          Shariy has a video, a copter flew to an airfield in Belarus and sat on the antenna of a really whole AWACS aircraft. And flew away, probably promised to return.

          Well, the author of this creation, as always, everything is not right, I would call it Sharik 2.0.
          Zhuvu calmly used to have 4 air defense units over my hometown, now there is only one ito near two strategic factories. We are sitting here in the region and do not grumble. Around Moscow, a double ring of air defense defense and sleep peacefully, even on high-rises, they stuck it now because of the drone, and we will also leave such alarmists and the advancing army without overlap. In the days of the USSR, S-125 positions stood around our military airfield; now fighters with MANPADS stand ridiculously impossible.
          I’m just wondering where the removed S-300 systems have gone from service, in exchange for which the S-400s were installed, a considerable number of missiles are now used to fire packages of Hurricanes with which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are firing in our direction.
        2. +2
          3 March 2023 11: 30
          He returned, only with a load. No wonder the board went for repairs.
          1. 0
            3 March 2023 11: 59
            The board performs a combat mission. Just took off on patrol. Well, for everyone! If you don't know, don't make waves.
            Wait for official clarifications and do not drag here all the garbage from the Internet. If your fingers itch, then scratch them with something else and not the keyboard.
            1. +3
              3 March 2023 15: 53
              Wait for official clarification

              This is how we are talking about "successful regrouping from the Kharkov region." heard?
            2. +3
              3 March 2023 18: 14
              Well, wait, sick, wait. The fact that they nailed the half-last crippled AWACS will not change from this
              To me, here are comments of this kind and from the authors, they resemble a common phrase. The dog barks, the caravan moves on. The only difference is that the denial of an objective threat / danger in the context of a military conflict is even worse than sabotage and sabotage ... with which the minds of half of the commentators on this God-saved site are infected))
            3. 0
              12 March 2023 14: 09
              The aircraft was returned to the factory. For repairs. Information wagon even in open sources. And yes, official information too.
        3. +6
          3 March 2023 11: 47
          copter arrived at the airfield in Belarus

          If you launch a small copter from behind the airfield fence, fly low, then you can board any plane. The problem is corrupt people who fly off for a penny and shoot and sell videos for the media effect of the commander of the 95th quarter.
          1. +1
            4 March 2023 22: 09
            No, sorry! CBO has been going on for a year now and the problem of stealth copters is not new. If you are not able to provide round-the-clock surveillance (at least with your eyes) at a strategic facility for a SINGLE AWACS aircraft - this is not even a diagnosis, this is sabotage for which you need to shoot! Not to mention that there are many portable radars, such as Reppeinik, that will detect any mavic. And this is stupidly not at a strategic facility!
    2. +9
      3 March 2023 09: 55
      Quote: antivirus
      Throw shoes and save awl soap and underpants.

      Something strongly arouses suspicion, but did the thieves' plowman decide, by undressing the SVO, to cover up their blat complexes and other property (acquired by overwork)? Well, everything is done very much, to the detriment of Russia, but to please them ...
      1. -3
        3 March 2023 12: 01
        You probably won't be from Russia. But your truth if the thieves godfather is Biden!
        1. +17
          3 March 2023 13: 01
          Quote: svoroponov
          You probably won't be from Russia.

          I won’t upset you much if I write that I’ve been living in Russia for the seventh decade, since birth? And I can judge what happened in the USSR, with the gradual perversion of socialism, in the thieves' (feudalism-capitalism). And in the USA, for a long time already - international safecrackers. Hack countries, through the knee. But the United States would never have allowed such a thing in relation to the USSR.
          And do not forget that all, almost, weapons from the USSR, which was designed to protect the people, and not the grabbing property of the oligarchy.
          1. +1
            5 March 2023 02: 42
            I, unlike you, have long been over 70, and even more than you "I can judge what happened in the USSR" :))). You seem to be writing correctly, such as that "we have almost all the weapons from the USSR, which were designed to protect the people, and not the grabbing property of the oligarchy." BUT! For some reason, you forget (or don’t want to remember?) That without exception all this “grab oligarchy” came out of the ranks of the CPSU, which then had absolute power in the country (moreover, this power was enshrined in the 1977 constitution). Only, for God's sake, let's not start about some mythical traitors:(. Otherwise, I remind you that the people in the 90s spoke about this: "What kind of party was this, that only traitors gathered there ?! ":))))))...
    3. +5
      3 March 2023 13: 03
      Quote: antivirus
      Demography is the key to solving the country's problems and a donut hole at the same time.
      25-30 years ago it was necessary to give birth to a generation of winners.
      Now we can only talk about maintaining retail sales and mortgages.
      Air defense is a continuous field and a sphere in an empty country, apparently too expensive - only in pockets.
      We will see how air defense will work in China with the subjugation of Taiwan.
      Throw shoes and save awl soap and underpants.
      Or cover the entire territory from missiles and "maviks" of the United States? Not "Germans"


      As reality shows, everything is fine with the generation of 30-year-olds. We have a problem with 50-year-olds and older who are in power now.
      1. +4
        3 March 2023 19: 41
        Quote from: newtc7
        everything is fine with our generation of 30-year-olds. We have a problem with 50-year-olds and older who are in power now.

        Abroad when the mobilization of 50+ was announced - did the summer leave? Or? With those in power - I agree - the problem. It seems that the problem in the state is systemic, and in all generations living in it.
  2. +13
    3 March 2023 04: 15
    in our skies, Ukrainian devices can do almost everything.
    And then they began to shuffle air defense! Here and there!
    1. +16
      3 March 2023 10: 41
      As always, it’s very timely - time to hunt, and they feed the dogs. Than they thought before .. Although, as we saw this year, jokes about one gyrus, and even that one from the cap can be applied to many guides. Brain activity is poorly visible in some.
  3. +2
    3 March 2023 05: 06
    Yes, small UAVs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fly where and how they want, and so far nothing can be done about them, but airplanes and helicopters have problems.

    They fly because there are not enough AWACS aircraft capable of detecting them even in the territory controlled by the Ukronats.
    Here, either it is necessary to move the front to the borders of Poland, or somewhere to get AWACS aircraft to stop this threat ... neither one nor the other is possible now.
    Judging by the videos of the Ukronazis, where their drones attack our fortifications, it is clear that they fly at ultra-low altitudes, use terrain folds ... communication channels can certainly detect our radio engineering troops ... in general, new forms of warfare cannot be prescribed in any charter .. .here you have to scratch your turnips. what
    1. 0
      3 March 2023 11: 16
      Aircraft AWACS

      It’s very expensive to keep such a thing constantly in the air .. Yes, and we have them - it’s enough to count two hands ..

      But - maybe balloons? Which raise only the antenna sheet? And since they are on a string - the rest of the equipment, as well as the power below. It seems to me that such a design will cost much less. Unless, of course, cover the interior, at a sufficient distance from the borders or the front ..
      1. +6
        3 March 2023 11: 33
        What if it's windy? And how to turn the antenna on a string to the desired sector?
        1. +1
          3 March 2023 11: 49
          So - what do you think, balloons, especially on a string - can only be used when there is calm? Yes, and the rotary device of the antenna is not great engineering wisdom ..
          1. 0
            12 March 2023 14: 05
            Since wisdom is small, it is probably used somewhere. Show where and by whom?
      2. +1
        3 March 2023 19: 45
        Quote: paul3390
        It's very expensive to keep such a thing in the air all the time.

        Will it be cheaper if another drone that is expensive to keep in the air strikes? Or a strategist? Life shows that the "it's expensive" approach does not provide security. Maybe he's unfaithful?
      3. 0
        3 March 2023 23: 43
        I heard that in Soviet times in the north, in places where it was impossible to place radar companies, they used automatic drifting balloons with radar equipment. But so far I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about this topic.
    2. +4
      3 March 2023 12: 12
      Even NATO members do not see such drones from their AWACS aircraft.
  4. +21
    3 March 2023 05: 17
    Roman, you forgot to indicate the main danger of small UAVs - the possibility of transporting biological cultures and using VAPs with toxic substances. These possibilities almost twenty years ago became the topic of a big briefing with the leadership of the RCBZ services, but immediately after that the problem went into the zone of silence.
    So, let's imagine a small settlement devoid of any kind of air defense cover, through it there is a road along which you can get to a large city. Above the settlement, ticks infected with a viral infection, or a culture of rickettsia, causing highly contagious hemorrhagic fevers, are dumped. Since the guaranteed infectious dose is the size of a matchbox, such a device can treat far more than one locality. In a few days, the city to which the roads from these settlements lead will fall ill, and then everything will depend on the pathogen - VHF is treated poorly and has a very high mortality rate. Let us now consider the option with OV - an UAV with a ten-liter VX flask (two liters of this substance is enough to poison all of humanity) rushes straight to Moscow, to the center of Moscow, and there it is SHUT DOWN by air defense. The squib on the flask fires, creating an aerosol cloud - the entire center of Moscow dies in a few minutes. So you wrote about a lot of things correctly, but given the high probability of chemical and biological attacks, drones should shoot down over enemy territory. I am telling you this as a specialist in the field of RCBZ.
    1. +5
      3 March 2023 12: 15
      As a specialist, you must understand that the destruction of such spreaders over, even enemy, territory will not guarantee that we will not be infected either. During the period of hostilities, it will be difficult to carry out quarantine measures. Especially in the border areas. Well, an extensive biological attack can be equated with the use of weapons of mass destruction. And this will untie our hands to use nuclear weapons.
      1. +7
        3 March 2023 12: 58
        And here there is a very important nuance - the party sending such a "gift" is always ready for a complex of surprises, which can be described in two words - an accident at the start. That is, if an apparatus with a biological filling is launched, then two or three fighters with knapsack flamethrowers will be ready, if it is some kind of chimosis, then a barrel with a neutralizer is ready (most often it is a solution of potassium dichromate in concentrated sulfuric acid, if more simply - sulfuric chromic peak). So all the fuss about disinfection and decontamination falls on the shoulders of the enemy, which does not add vigor to him at all. So shoot down at the start and no other options. And only the courage and will of our leadership can untie our hands for the use of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, and everything else - suffering in favor of the pale - no one has canceled the principle of beating first.
    2. +1
      3 March 2023 13: 27
      Biological weapons? For Zelensky to give an order? Don’t do it for him later, it’s WMD against a nuclear power ...
    3. +2
      3 March 2023 14: 11
      . Let us now consider the option with OV - an UAV with a ten-liter VX flask (two liters of this substance is enough to poison all of humanity) rushes straight to Moscow, to the center of Moscow, and there it is SHUT DOWN by air defense. The squib on the flask fires, creating an aerosol cloud - the entire center of Moscow dies in a few minutes.
      . Quite a real scenario of the apocalypse "in Russian". Moreover, the surviving Muscovites will begin to scatter like cockroaches across the country, as was the case with Covid at the very beginning of the pandemic, as a result, a month later, the incidence across the country went through the roof
    4. -2
      4 March 2023 00: 35
      After the extinction of the center of Moscow, all of Europe and all of America will die out. After Ukraine. And ... she is also Europe now ...
  5. +22
    3 March 2023 05: 20
    During the Soviet period, the air defense forces of the USSR were one of the five branches of the Armed Forces.
    In Soviet times, as part of the Ground Forces of the USSR Armed Forces, there was a separate branch of the army - the Air Defense Forces of the USSR SV. They belonged to the Air Defense Forces of the Country (USSR) because, insofar. And this was optimal, since the air defense of the Ground Forces worked in the interests of the warring units and subunits and was not distracted by global tasks or did not distract the air defense of the Country from their solution
    When studying the material, one must somehow be more responsible.
    1. Eug
      +14
      3 March 2023 06: 59
      The Air Defense Forces of the USSR and the Air Defense Forces of the country are one and the same. He served in the 8th Air Defense Division (the so-called Kievskaya), which at one time was commanded by Pokryshkin and Lavrinenkov, during the years of my service - by V.A. I can add that one of the corps was commanded by the future Commander-in-Chief of the Air Defense of Ukraine M.A. Lopatin, and his deputy was the future commander of the Moscow Special Air Defense District Solovyov, one of the army (8 air defense divisions) flight safety inspectors was the son of the Hero of the Soviet Union Lev Shestakov - also Lev Shestakov. This is the USSR air defense. But as part of the Ground Forces there was a MILITARY AIR VOICE, whose task was precisely to protect the TROOPS - if in 8 OA the S-300PT and PM were in service, then the military air defense had the S-300V with very significant differences. Something like this...
      1. 0
        8 March 2023 18: 17
        The air defense forces of the country and the air defense forces of the Ground Forces are not at all the same thing. The main difference is in tasks, and, consequently, in the methods of combat operations. The country's air defense forces performed the tasks of object air defense. There was a List of relevant facilities that had important military-strategic, military-political and military-economic importance. For their defense, an anti-aircraft missile and fighter-air cover was built. They were provided by a radar reconnaissance and warning system, and the control system for the groupings of the Air Defense Forces was based on them. Formations, units and subunits of the Air Defense Forces of the country were deployed on the basis of building the most effective cover, including from missile-hazardous directions. The ground air defense troops performed the tasks of air defense of troops and facilities, for the most part in combined arms operations, as well as in coastal areas, etc. formations and units of the air defense troops of the ground forces were required to provide continuous anti-aircraft missile and artillery cover for troops in any type of hostilities - on the offensive, defense , when performing maneuvers, various kinds of regroupings. The grouping of air defense forces and the air defense system of troops based on it were built for each operation in relation to the conditions of the situation. Therefore, in the Air Defense Forces and in the Air Defense Forces of the SV, weapons systems differed so significantly. In the 80s, if my memory serves me, there was an experience of uniting all air defense forces under the auspices of the type of the USSR Armed Forces. The experience was unsuccessful. It was not even possible to create a unified automated control system. I write categorically because of the brevity of the comment. I doubt that under the current conditions, the inclusion of military air defense troops in the VKS will be useful. However, not for me, the pensioner to decide. As they say, the fight will show. The old officers of the Air Defense Forces probably remember how surprised we were at the "bright" idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbunifying the Air Defense Forces and the Air Force. In the VAGSH, after the inclusion of the Department of Air Defense OI into its structure, the department of Air Force OI began to be called: the Department of the Air Force and the fight against them ....
    2. +4
      3 March 2023 08: 41
      Quote: svp67
      In Soviet times, as part of the Ground Forces of the USSR Armed Forces, there was a separate branch of the army - the Air Defense Forces of the USSR SV. They belonged to the country's air defense because, insofar. And this was optimal, since the air defense of the Ground Forces worked in the interests of the warring units and subunits and was not distracted by global tasks or did not distract the air defense of the Country from their solution

      I'm also wondering what caused this resubordination. Times are changing, tactics and weapons are changing, this is normal. That's just how good the interaction between the SV and VKS will be, and how this will affect the anti-aircraft cover of units at the forefront ...
      1. +5
        3 March 2023 09: 58
        Quote: Doccor18
        I'm also wondering what caused this resubordination.

        I really hope that only the appearance of new complexes for automation and control of the air situation. What should drastically reduce the time to make a decision
        1. +4
          3 March 2023 12: 21
          Quote: svp67
          I really hope that only the appearance of new complexes for automation and control of the air situation. What should drastically reduce the time to make a decision

          I'd like to hope...
      2. +13
        3 March 2023 10: 18
        It will have a negative impact, it will respond with losses. All these resubmissions - associations look like outright patching of holes. There is simply nowhere to get a sufficient number of systems. The bourgeois Russian Federation has no industry, except for pipes and other dug up from the bowels. In other matters, there is no awareness that there is a war either. Bye.
      3. +4
        3 March 2023 12: 35
        The air defense forces for the ground forces will be attached to these troops, but with the receipt of much more information that the VKS has. Simply put, nothing will change, just this structure will be brought into the staff of the Aerospace Forces, reassigned. Most likely, some of the bureaucratic functions and connections will be removed. Optimization is underway, taking into account the conduct of hostilities and other tasks to protect our airspace. It is also possible that this is due to the increase in our satellite constellation and interaction with it to perform air defense tasks.
      4. +4
        3 March 2023 15: 15
        At least from the list of air defense systems, it follows that the country's air defense (civilian and industrial infrastructure) simply does not have air defense systems sharpened to counter inconspicuous small-sized objects. S-300 \ S-400 are still anti-aircraft air defense systems, they can be used against cruise missiles, they are powerless against mosquitoes. Redistributing air defense systems within two departments will almost be a war (and no words about a common cause will help). Trying to come up with something...
  6. +11
    3 March 2023 05: 21
    I do not know how the reorganization will affect the effectiveness of air defense. In my opinion, it is carried out slightly at the wrong time. And it is not entirely clear what prevents the air defense from being separated into a separate (not subordinate to the Aerospace Forces) branch of the armed forces, with its own commander, as it was before.
    And I will say this about the UAV. Deploy air defense around potentially vulnerable settlements. and objects had to be before the NWO. Taking into account the fact that the enemy will use the UAV. In addition, the border line had to be completely covered. In advance. After all, the NWO did not spontaneously begin, it was not prepared in one day.
    1. +2
      3 March 2023 11: 41
      Deploy air defense around potentially vulnerable settlements. and objects had to be before the NWO. Taking into account the fact that the enemy will use the UAV. In addition, the border line had to be completely covered. In advance.

      But we do not have such opportunities - to cover everything and everyone. The country is huge, there are sea objects that can be attacked for media effect and not only for it. You cannot allocate an air defense battery for each "conditional substation" - can you imagine how many there should be then?
  7. +12
    3 March 2023 05: 24
    The author wrote well, but let him tell us which countries' air defense (so that we take an example) is capable of fighting small-sized UAVs!
    1. +10
      3 March 2023 05: 42
      To date, the air defense of absolutely all states that have a land border with anyone have exactly the same problems as the Russian air defense. Only island states with clearly demarcated maritime borders are in an advantageous position - either the object will fly from neutral waters, and you can’t hide between the waves, or a launch from territorial waters will be detected. True, most of these countries with air defense are doing poorly.
      It's just that the generals - both ours and those of others - were, as always, preparing for the last war.
      1. +4
        3 March 2023 06: 27
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        To date, the air defense of absolutely all states that have a land border with anyone have exactly the same problems as the Russian air defense.

        For the majority, one can talk about air defense very conditionally ... and this is not even a reproach, everyone just lives like that, with the rarest exception.
      2. +3
        3 March 2023 19: 10
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        To date, the air defense of absolutely all states that have a land border with anyone have exactly the same problems as the Russian air defense.
        No, our problems are fundamentally different. 1. This is NATO aviation against us (the most numerous and advanced in the world), and they have NATO aviation for them. 2. NATO assigns air defense tasks mainly to numerous fighter aircraft, they have air defense systems, addition. 3. With such a large and developed aviation, they do not need to constantly shoot down UAVs, they will simply smash everything that allows the enemy UAVs to work, since this is all located 150 km from the LBS and radiates intensely.
      3. +2
        3 March 2023 20: 09
        Almost everyone has such problems with the fight against light UAVs. And the USA.
        However, there are 2 serious "BUT"
        And the first "BUT" is that we now have an air defense system and the need for air defense is needed now. All other countries can be divided into poor (which, in principle, do not have normal air defense, even piston aircraft are dangerous for them) and rich (which, like we have a developed air defense system, are simply not adapted to drones).
        The second "BUT", and, as for me, is much more important. On the side of Ukraine are countries that have SERIOUS progress in creating air defense systems against UAVs. Namely, Germany with its Skynex complex. This is a 30 mm automatic cannon with remote detonation projectiles and a detection system designed for UAVs. This is exactly what was being developed against the UAV, and it will actually be tested on the battlefield. Many such drone complexes will not bring down (it’s possible to simply send more UAVs into the UAV’s coverage area than shells from the battery, and it will be cheaper), but the scale of the use of drones on our part is still not large enough.
        We don't have this. More precisely, there is "Derevation-Air Defense", this is a good complex, but without the presence of shells with remote detonation, it is useless against UAVs. There are good automatic 30mm guns. But it’s not like there are no shells with remote detonation (although for the first time, okay, you can increase the chance of shooting down by using segmented shells, where the shell itself is 2-4 shells nested in each other like a glass in a glass), there are no sighting complexes that would be able to detect and aim a gun at such targets.

        The only, relatively quick solution that can complicate the use of the UAV, but not level it. Namely, to hang mesh barriers on small balloons. When a series of many balloons is suspended, and a thin plastic mesh is stretched between them. Such that the screws would get tangled in it, just overturn the drone. With such a scheme, drones will either have to fly around obstacles from the flanks (and this is only possible if the drone is controlled directly by the operator, which is visible on the camera balloons) or from above (but then they are substituted for air defense systems). The balloons themselves can be rearranged throughout the day, which would make it difficult for the enemy to find gaps. A simple fishing line for small fish, transparent enough, thin and strong, so that it would be possible to assemble such a light but large, inconspicuous and strong net from it.

        The balloons themselves can not only be assembled into a chain, but also created as special windows (for example, for your own drones, or simply to save money), and on the contrary, some networks can be masked more strongly. As a result, the enemy will not have a guarantee that, seeing balloons, he knows exactly where it is possible to fly and where not. And if it flies OVER the grid, it will immediately fall into the range of close air defense.
        1. +1
          3 March 2023 21: 37
          Quote: Mustachioed Kok
          We don't have this. More precisely, there is "Derevation-Air Defense", this is a good complex, but without the presence of shells with remote detonation, it is useless against UAVs.
          It is necessary to make a special anti-drone complex with a 100-mm gun (maybe an 85-mm one is enough, you need to look at current achievements). Expensive shells with remote detonation are not needed, cheap shells with a radio fuse, which the amers had in World War 2, are quite enough. The fact that the UAV may have a small reflective surface does not play a role, since the projectile flies close to the target. And a decent caliber will solve the issue with insufficient fragmentation field density (UAVs are small) due to the high-explosive effect on the target (it will blow it away with a shock wave). UAVs (on which it’s a pity for a rocket) do not fly especially high, so it’s not worth raising the caliber to 120-130 mm: mobility will be greatly reduced due to the severity of the gun without fundamental advantages. Such a complex with a cheap radar and an advanced optical system will be able to close the issue with UAVs up to 15 km in height and up to 21 km in range (see our KS-19), plus support your troops with fire on the ground in case of emergency.
    2. -1
      3 March 2023 07: 45
      Quote: Aristarkh Pasechnik
      The author wrote well
      In what he painted well, only that he once again wrote that everything is not so everything is not that way, of course, he knows better from the sofa.
      Air defense is always a confrontation between means of defense attack
      Quote: Aristarkh Pasechnik
      let him tell us which countries' air defense (so that we take an example) is capable of fighting small-sized UAVs!

      This is a beautiful entrance good I support the right question is 50% of the answer.
      But I don't think he can do it. wassat
      1. 0
        3 March 2023 09: 12
        If you take a closer look
        Quote: insafufa
        Air defense is always a confrontation between means of defense attack

        This may be true for "peacetime", when it arrives "accidentally" and not in such a way that it would be often, a lot, dangerous ...
        During the period of real, intense hostilities, when all kinds of different things fly, a lot, dangerous, cunning !!! Air defense is a whole complex of systems, means, measures of both a defensive and offensive nature !!!
        Although, the definition of the most reliable air defense is the same, for all time.
    3. 0
      3 March 2023 12: 41
      There are no such countries. The concepts of combating UAVs, techniques and means are born before our eyes. Such equipment quickly reached high peaks and efficiency, respectively, and new measures must be developed to combat this.
  8. -3
    3 March 2023 05: 41
    And I told you guys that this will happen - one day a Ukrainian kicks your door open, shoots you and rapes your daughter. Don't believe? Do you think it will work for you? I thought so too...
    1. -3
      3 March 2023 11: 37
      Don't believe? Do you think it will work for you? I thought so too...

      And what, for a long time you were raped by a Ukrainian? And did it happen right in Kyiv or already in Kharkov or still in Lvov?
      1. 0
        3 March 2023 19: 23
        In the Belgorod region Is this still Russia?
  9. +14
    3 March 2023 06: 06
    "The reaction process ... started." It is surprising that, having started the NWO, the Russian leadership reduced all further actions to a "process of reaction." The first step is taken by the enemy, and where it is convenient for him and when it is convenient.
  10. +7
    3 March 2023 06: 08
    Some kind of rearrangement of beds ... We need to produce more modern air defense systems, and saturate our territory with them.
    1. +8
      3 March 2023 10: 35
      You can’t argue here that defense spending is always much less than the cost of compensating for the damage that a country may suffer due to the weakness of its armed forces in general and air defense systems in particular. I would like to hope that common sense will prevail in the foreseeable future and problematic issues will be resolved .
    2. +3
      3 March 2023 11: 36
      More need to produce modern air defense systems, and saturate our territory with them

      Against such UAVs, modern air defense systems are ineffective. Radars hardly see them, and missiles are very expensive compared to this flying piece of "plywood".
  11. -4
    3 March 2023 06: 24
    There are a lot of questions. What will be the ways of solving problems, time will tell. The only problem is that time is not playing on us today. It may sound controversial, but this was proved by Ukrainian drones in the Krasnodar Territory and a hundred kilometers from Moscow. I don't even want to think about simpler regions.
    In the end, we can say that the Ukrainian tests of the combat effectiveness of the old Russian air defense were done "good". The process of responding to checks has begun, let's see what happens. And how will the Armed Forces of Ukraine respond?
    . Gives grades ... is it worth giving advice, it's not worth it at all, what then?
    Let's see, let's hope that the optimal solution will be found.
  12. +6
    3 March 2023 06: 26
    I wonder if the option is being considered that these devices can be launched from our territory? We launched a sea of ​​Ukrainians here. Bad people, among them, simply can not be. And I don’t think it’s very difficult to smuggle a small drone into the country.
    1. -4
      3 March 2023 08: 33
      Quote: Lykases1
      I wonder if the option is being considered that these devices can be launched from our territory? We launched a sea of ​​Ukrainians here. Bad people, among them, simply can not be. And I don’t think it’s very difficult to smuggle a small drone into the country.

      it is necessary to filter all those who have Ukrainian roots. they climbed to the very top of power. you need to start with Matvienka and other carriers of the surname in -enko.
      1. +7
        3 March 2023 10: 13
        "it is necessary to filter all those who have Ukrainian roots."
        - if we filter out all those with Ukrainian roots, and at the same time also Georgian, Baltic, and, possibly soon, Armenian and Kazakh, then only VOVA will remain ethnically pure in the country. For example, I will go to the wall first - I was born in western Ukraine! Bendera. My father served in the rocket troops near Brody...
      2. +6
        3 March 2023 11: 30
        it is necessary to filter all those who have Ukrainian roots.

        Oh, how deep they dug! Have you checked your roots well, otherwise you will be the first to go for filtration?
      3. 0
        3 March 2023 22: 26
        Yeah, over and over again, and the President of Belarus. His last name also ends in ko.
    2. +2
      3 March 2023 11: 34
      And I don’t think it’s very difficult to smuggle a small drone into the country.

      And why should someone from the bad Ukrainians be sent here? Judging by the FSB reports, there are enough bad Russians who themselves offer their services to the enemy. Well, now you definitely won’t take a device of this size across the border, and this device was made in Ukraine. You can get a Chinese device on the spot, which is also not good, as we saw from the video about landing a copter on an AWACS aircraft antenna or the same attacks on the Black Sea Fleet headquarters,
    3. Uno
      0
      3 March 2023 21: 46
      Of course, transporting a drone even in disassembled condition, assembling and launching from a suitable road is easy.
  13. +4
    3 March 2023 06: 54
    How effective it will be is the question.

    At first time? It's not even a question. The question sounds different: is now the right time to do it? And is it not the reason for these arrivals that in practice the transmission has been underway for a long time, but they were only informed now?
  14. +5
    3 March 2023 07: 01
    I can't judge how realistic it is to shoot down these drones. But a strike within a conditional 100 km from the Kremlin is a very serious matter. Air defense is not the only way to avoid such events.
    Obviously, in addition to strikes on the power grid, it is necessary to destroy fuel and lubricant storage facilities, weapons, destroy the main transport routes, control centers, communications; centers for the collection and training of foreign mercenaries, places of deployment of enemy manpower, etc., etc.
    There is a resource for this. This is not done, only because of the agreement of a part of the managerial elite. What else should they do? To shove a rocket down the throat of the generals so that they would start worrying about life, and not about the business interests of LUKOIL and Gazprom?
    1. +3
      3 March 2023 08: 01
      You have listed many types of objects. On the basis of what are you talking about the availability of a resource? How many objects do you have? What kind of resources and in what capacity do we have?
      I'm not asking you to issue state secrets, but at least approximate values?
      And so this is naked populism: to attack everything in a row! There are forces!
    2. +2
      3 March 2023 11: 24
      it is necessary to destroy the warehouses for storing fuel and lubricants, weapons, to destroy the main transport routes, control centers, communications; centers for the collection and training of foreign mercenaries, places of deployment of enemy manpower, etc., etc.
      There is a resource for this.

      Of course, if you mean nuclear weapons, then there is a resource. And so for every truck and every tank of missiles you can’t get enough. And they bring everything to them from abroad regularly, in an endless stream. And the flow hasn't stopped yet.
      1. +3
        3 March 2023 12: 06
        Warehouses, warehouses... don't need every truck. Lukoil supplies fuel and lubricants there, from its refineries in Romania and Bulgaria, via well-known transport routes. Kazakhstan supplies crude oil to these plants (through our territory). To stop the latter, even bombs are not needed.
  15. +7
    3 March 2023 07: 14
    "Front-line aviation was taken away from the Ground Forces." Not front-line, but army. Front-line aviation is bomber, fighter-bomber and fighter aviation, which never existed in the SV. And army aviation during the endless reforms at one time was generally a separate branch of the Armed Forces with its own command. At one time she was part of the Air Force.
  16. +6
    3 March 2023 07: 15
    That is, there are many ways to increase the effectiveness of air defense, but not a single radical one? And, in my opinion, the problem with Bandera flying objects needs to be solved just radically - to eliminate the Bandera regime. But, not during the NWO, but during the people's war. We have no other methods of dealing with an impudent, vicious, unprincipled, strong and well-armed enemy.
  17. +7
    3 March 2023 07: 21
    In the Russian Federation, you can say no to air defense, and not only air defense, the thing is that the Russian Federation for many years was engaged only in gas prices with oil and preferences for the oligarchy, gradually turning into a country of a merchant, having produced new weapons, with a country scale of a single copies for parades on May 9, this is what led to the defeat on the outskirts, yes, the Russian Federation is defeated, starting from the image ones such as in Engels - the base of the Air Force strategists, and now here is Kolomna, where daggers are produced, I think it will still be .. .
    1. +1
      3 March 2023 11: 21
      The Russian Federation is defeated, starting from image ones such as in Engels - the base of Air Force strategists, and now here is Kolomna, where daggers are produced, I wonder whether there will be more ..

      Have you read Sharia? Well, what else will happen? From this, Ukraine will become better, well, let's rip it to the ground. Here in Ukraine, no one is saddened that missiles and UAVs fly directly over Kuev, even the first persons of the state laughingly say that one should not be afraid of another missile strike, they say everyone is already used to it. So don’t worry there, in a war it doesn’t happen that it only flies in one direction, and until it flies, it’s difficult to build some kind of reasonable opposition.
    2. +1
      3 March 2023 15: 30
      It was the air defense of the Russian Federation that was the direction that received the latest equipment in maximum volumes. Against the background of the SV, the fleet and even the Aerospace Forces, the air defense forces were provided for everything. The problem is that all this was in the past technological order. All the "leading" countries were preparing to fight with large aircraft, cruise missiles and other types of WTO. The stake was made on expensive stealth technologies. And a cheap, mass-produced, often adapted civilian shot.
    3. 0
      3 March 2023 22: 31
      Well, Soviet air defense, too, at one time missed a German who landed on Red Square on an airplane.
      1. 0
        4 March 2023 12: 24
        Soviet air defense spotted the German immediately after crossing the state border and led until the landing. After the incident with the Korean Boeing, there was a ban on the destruction of civilian aircraft.
        1. 0
          4 March 2023 14: 07
          ah, that's how? .. And why then were there loud dismissals from posts? "Already on May 30, 1987, they were relieved of their posts secretary of defense Sergei Sokolov and air defense commander Alexander Koldunov, Dmitry Yazov was appointed the new Minister of Defense. By June 10, 1987 it was brought to justice 34 officers and a general"

          it is fair to say that Soviet air defense was not intended, was not ready to repel this type of threat - a light aircraft instead of a massive raid by enemy bombers. And the same thing happened later - in Syria, during the raid of Basmachi drones made of dung and sticks, which is now with Ukrainian drones from aliexpress.
  18. +4
    3 March 2023 07: 50
    Quote: Aristarkh Pasechnik
    The author wrote well, but let him tell us which countries' air defense (so that we take an example) is capable of fighting small-sized UAVs!

    Does this solve the existing problem?
  19. +3
    3 March 2023 07: 52
    survived to the point that they flew to Moscow! And you know, I’m even somehow glad, maybe at least after that our stupid generals will scratch their "turnips" and start thinking not with the fifth "point", but with their heads
  20. +1
    3 March 2023 07: 57
    It’s probably easier to build a continuous air defense system around the outskirts so that the fly doesn’t fly in than to protect objects. Airships must be built with radars, but there are many restrictions, as with AWACS aircraft. While the defense is losing to the attack, something new may appear.
  21. 0
    3 March 2023 08: 23
    The UAV problem is very similar to what it was during the Second World War, and the number of aircraft and, to some extent, the size ... He can also recall the air defense experience of those years, uncover the zushki and DShK (there was even an article on the VO about the revival of piston fighters)? IMHO of course, but something needs to be done hi
  22. +2
    3 March 2023 08: 31
    Here are the consequences of the air defense reform that began "on time", when the one who used to be responsible for the section has already passed it, and the one who will have to - has not accepted it yet, is included in the course, etc.
    hi
  23. 0
    3 March 2023 08: 34
    Everything that happens is not good. But only real events (and not the most plausible teachings) can reveal the problem. Russia has the opportunity to solve, or at least minimize the number of airspace violations, I am sure they are working on this issue.
  24. +4
    3 March 2023 08: 39
    Everything that happens with air defense and in general speaks of the illiteracy of leaders and performers. Because a competent specialist can make a mistake once, but not twice, and even more so constantly step on the same "rake".
    Therefore, I will not be surprised if arrivals begin in our cities.
    1. +2
      3 March 2023 08: 55
      Quote: steel maker
      Everything that happens with air defense and in general speaks of the illiteracy of leaders

      It's right. But performers will "make mistakes" and further. Our radars are not designed to work on such small targets as UAVs. And no one ordered the radars of the required parameters. Not those worries prevail in the MO ...
      1. +2
        3 March 2023 15: 39
        It's not that I didn't order. If very roughly, then for the radar the fundamental difference in the detection of V-52, F-16, F-35 and UAVs lies in the EPR of these targets. The same F-16 is detected at a distance 2 times shorter than the B-52. And the F-35 (no matter how much it is criticized), is almost 2 times smaller than the F-16. And there is no particular breakthrough for the radar in the fight against EPR - the general capabilities are increasing, but the gap in detection has been and remains at times. A continuous radar field simply does not exist. And small-sized UAVs "suddenly" gave a result that surpasses all "classic" stealth aircraft.
        1. +1
          3 March 2023 17: 50
          From the point of view of banal erudition, you are absolutely correct about EPR. Surely you have heard that early warning stations are capable of detecting and tracking objects the size of a tennis ball; that in radar, in addition to EPR, there is the concept of "brilliant dots"; finally, that at the dawn of the appearance of the F-117, they were led by ancient meter-long P-18s without any problems. To combat the decrease in the RCS of an object, it is sufficient to increase the power of the emitted signal, increase the antenna gain, and select the range with the least attenuation of the signal when passing through the atmosphere. Under these conditions, even latex weather balloons are tracked.
          A continuous radar exists, but at altitudes above the PMA.
          And small-sized UAVs "suddenly" gave the result

          In Ukraine, they also thought so that they caught God by the beard with the "holy Bayraktars" - there have been no mentions for half a year.
          1. 0
            4 March 2023 12: 04
            Bayraktar is not small-sized in any way. This aircraft is somewhat smaller in size than the Yak-130 (6,5x12 and 11,5x9,8). There are no special problems with such UAVs.
  25. +1
    3 March 2023 08: 54
    The drone flew to the GRS. Why? Because his operator had a great idea where the GDS was located. Stupid USSR secreted the objects of its infrastructure. But the smart Mr. Medvedev came to power, and made tremendous efforts to ensure that the maps of our energy system merged into the Internet. In the most open access. Mr. Medvedev understands digitalization in this way - come whoever you want, take what you want, aim wherever you like. We have a wonderful government...
    1. +4
      3 March 2023 10: 47
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Stupid USSR secreted the objects of its infrastructure. But the smart Mr. Medvedev came to power, and made tremendous efforts to ensure that the maps of our energy system merged into the Internet.

      Uh-huh .... the USSR kept infrastructure facilities so secret that, according to data from open sources, CIA analysts were able to accurately assess the energy consumption and performance of Minsredmash facilities in the Urals.
      In addition, after the advent of commercial satellites with high-resolution equipment, it became generally useless to secret objects.
    2. +1
      3 March 2023 14: 41
      Do you even know that the USSR collapsed? And then, apparently, a lot of news has bypassed you: about satellites there, about satellite maps. About the Webb telescope - it is far from alone, all developments in the field of adaptive optics in the United States are classified as dual-use. Which clearly indicates that the Ministry of Defense definitely has a pair of such telescopes
      1. -1
        4 March 2023 11: 04
        Yes, I know) Telescopes and satellites, it's not easy. Loading a map is much easier, you know?
  26. 0
    3 March 2023 09: 11
    If our Defense Ministry does not take action, namely, AWACS drones with phased radars flying for days, and UAV fighters loitering for days, we will not have much fun, so we need to work, and all UAVs must be with a turbodiesel and its stealth is mandatory, the transponder is always on.
    1. +5
      3 March 2023 11: 58
      Flying for days? With AFAR? Drones (many)? As many as three fantastic scenarios.
  27. +7
    3 March 2023 09: 15
    Quote: author
    Pictures of the wreckage show that it is clearly a UJ-22 manufactured by the Ukrainian company UKRJET.

    How much more "obvious"

    And components (although sanctions are not “imposed”)
    Quote: author
    The actual range and payload of the UJ-22 is, of course, dependent on its payload.

    From the guidance method
    Radius of action:
    100 km when communicating with the operator and
    800 km on autopilot;

    inertial system "Xens", which allows you to do without communication with GPS satellites
    It gives the impression that
    "Zbroya and Bezpeka-2021" was just me, and Naryshkin was not interested in any thread from the SVR

    And with RPG-7 ammunition, he can shoot at 150 m with a QUO at 10 m
    2 months production cycle, 1 month training
    \uXNUMXd author There are a lot of questions. What will be the ways of solving problems, time will tell.

    Water in the article also, well, at least I didn’t guess on the coffee grounds.
    Maybe VKS should be removed from the abbreviation / chevrons?
    Not up to large-scale operations on Mars now, not up to the Bach missile defense umbrella on the Moon, "Moscow, the Kremlin" behind them.
    It's not the worst
    On September 6, 2019, Raybird-3 (Military version - ACS-3) set a Ukrainian record for the maximum flight duration - 24 hours 31 minutes. During this time, the device covered more than 2000 km, while saving fuel for another 1,5 hours. In 2020, the developers introduced a modified version of the ACS-3M with a new injection engine, improved software and the ability to mount a small-sized synthetic aperture radar.

    5 kg (mon equipment or warhead) for 2000 km with decent accuracy, not bad at all
    ----
    "Echeloned Air Defense". Auto see very far from reality
    1. -4
      3 March 2023 20: 58
      Does your presence on Zbroya ta Bezpeka make you a specialist? Or do you think that information is only supplied from exhibitions?
      How many idiots are on this site. I used to think professionals write articles, as it turned out - buffoons ... and, basically, the same chitaki
  28. +3
    3 March 2023 09: 26
    Well, as long as the NWO will go slowly, then there will be further arrivals, and perhaps they will increase. Here you need to mass-produce air defense or electronic warfare systems that will detect these small unmanned vehicles or some other solutions.
    1. +2
      3 March 2023 14: 46
      I thought we already have the best rabs in the world, they turned off the whole destroyer
  29. +3
    3 March 2023 09: 34
    A question for backfilling, but who said that UAVs fly from the territory of Ukraine?
    In my opinion, it is the local Ukrainians who stir up, it is not a problem to assemble a UAV, all spare parts and explosives can be easily dragged through holes and agents at the border. It remains to collect and run. Running is not a problem, full of ownerless roads.
  30. +2
    3 March 2023 09: 46
    One gets the impression that they are checking / looking for / working out penetration routes through Russian air defense. Looking for corridors, not controlled passages. Because, apart from PR hype, at first glance, there is no sense in such raids ...
  31. -3
    3 March 2023 10: 37
    Quote: Volunteer Marek
    That is, there are many ways to increase the effectiveness of air defense, but not a single radical one? And, in my opinion, the problem with Bandera flying objects needs to be solved just radically - to eliminate the Bandera regime. But, not during the NWO, but during the people's war. We have no other methods of dealing with an impudent, vicious, unprincipled, strong and well-armed enemy.

    Are you supposed to be already in Wagner or in the Armed Forces?
  32. -2
    3 March 2023 11: 10
    Purely theoretically, given the length of the border between Russia and Ukraine, 100-120 shells are enough to completely block it from drones ...
    1. +1
      3 March 2023 15: 47
      Are you drawing such conclusions based on the maximum range of targets hit? The S-400 sees the B-52 at a distance of 600 km, but can you imagine the drop in range for the F-16?
    2. 0
      3 March 2023 21: 41
      These values ​​must be multiplied by at least 2, because Not a single air defense system is constantly working. At the very least, there needs to be some preventive maintenance.
  33. +3
    3 March 2023 11: 11
    Whatever the payload of the UJ-22, and regardless of the objectives of its mission, the fact that he managed to get within 100 kilometers of Moscow is a significant event.

    And what is the problem of getting a UAV to Moscow at such a distance? The enemy knows everything about air defense in the NMD zone, the border is not 100% covered by permanent means of airspace control. Once the UAV flies to the territory of Russia and fly to Moscow itself, no one will touch you, and will not even see you if you choose a route past settlements. The following air defense systems are available only around Moscow. So even if the UAV flies to Moscow directly over the M-2 or M-4 highway, then no one can do anything to it - there are no such means and opportunities. If only "grandmother with a jar of cucumbers" suddenly intercepts.
  34. +4
    3 March 2023 12: 03
    Until there is a real response, drones will continue to fly. One, a couple of rockets flew into the windows of the presidential administration, into the Security Service, etc. It did not reach, a couple of dozen missiles at the same addresses. And then they fuck on peaceful objects, and we all play nobility. I don’t know where our guarantor got it from, it doesn’t seem to be blue-blooded. One played in the nobility and liberality, the country pro.ral. I had to pay with my life and the lives of my children. What will the current ruler play up to?
    1. 0
      3 March 2023 20: 53
      Even if there are a hundred thousand replies, drones will fly. If this is not for you, condolences
  35. +2
    3 March 2023 13: 00
    The withdrawal of military air defense into the VKS is another idiocy. The air defense of the country and the air defense of the military solve completely different tasks.
    Military air defense is a cover for troops on the battlefield. Being subordinate to the combined-arms commanders, the military air defense department promptly receives orders from them to cover their troops. Now the hemorrhoids will begin, that it will be necessary to reach out to the heads of the Aerospace Forces in order to get COVER of the Ground Forces units by air defense units. And endless negotiations will begin.
    IMHO, as soon as the Wehrmacht receives Western aircraft in commercial quantities and begins to launch airstrikes, a new howl will rise, they say, ground forces without cover, in order to get air defense cover, you need to reach Moscow, and in the meantime the F-16s have already hit and washed away , it is necessary to turn everything back.
    In general, shying from one extreme to another.
    And the chest opens simply - the restoration of the air defense forces as an independent branch of the Armed Forces. Because the unification of the Air Force and Air Defense is a monkey business with pin.dos, when they shouted that everything should be the same as theirs. An independent branch of the Armed Forces - the Air Defense Forces - will be able to focus on their main task - to cover the sky over the country from any encroachment.
    In the early 80s, an experiment was already conducted when the country's air defense was subordinated to the commanders of military districts. As a result, when the Korean "Boeing" was flying, while there was a srach between the command of the district and the High Air Defense Command, this "Boeing" almost left and shot down it not by an air defense system, which could be given a command over a closed wire connection, but by an interceptor fighter, all negotiations which pin.dosy wrote.
    So nothing good can be expected from these peretrubations.
    1. 0
      3 March 2023 18: 43
      Being subordinate to the combined arms commanders, the military HPE promptly receives orders from them to cover their troops

      It's just congenial and masterpiece!!! Even the commander of an anti-aircraft missile regiment / brigade does not have enough radio-technical intelligence to organize their duty 24/7. In the Aerospace Forces, radio engineering troops are responsible for information awareness and the creation of an on-duty radar field, carrying out round-the-clock combat duty.
      Because the unification of the Air Force and Air Defense is a monkey business with pin.dos

      The unification of the Air Force and Air Defense made it possible to harmoniously combine the means of attack with the means of defense in the conditions of the increased influence of aviation not only on the battlefield, but also on the course of a major war as a whole. The reassignment of the air defense of the SV to the VKS will strengthen the organizational component of the air defense both on the front line and deep in the rear; increase the personal responsibility of one-man chiefs. Here it is also necessary to quickly pull up the air defense of the fleet in the places of basing.
  36. 0
    3 March 2023 13: 02
    Quote: igorra
    Until there is a real response, drones will continue to fly. One, a couple of rockets flew into the windows of the presidential administration, into the Security Service, etc. It did not reach, a couple of dozen missiles at the same addresses. And then they fuck on peaceful objects, and we all play nobility. I don’t know where our guarantor got it from, it doesn’t seem to be blue-blooded. One played in the nobility and liberality, the country pro.ral. I had to pay with my life and the lives of my children. What will the current ruler play up to?

    In the meantime, only Maryivanovna and Ivanivanychi suffer, the ruler is violet. He will fuss only when suddenly his PERSONAL security is threatened. And nothing else.
    1. 0
      4 March 2023 00: 48
      And how do you think "answer"? They are already accustomed to Geraniums. So, we just have to get used to their drones. In my opinion, it is enough to punish a couple of alarmists, the rest will shut up. They have done this for a long time.
  37. +2
    3 March 2023 13: 20
    One drone, but unarmed fell and let's change the whole system? Not serious.
    1. 0
      3 March 2023 14: 47
      How much do you need? 10? 20? 50?
      Quote: stankow
      One drone
  38. 0
    3 March 2023 13: 30
    The military had to do something, so they started reforms.
    1. +2
      3 March 2023 15: 51
      I doubt the military. The leadership of the country had to do something, and in a very short time. And it has already set a task for the military and received an express solution. How far it will turn out to be, only time will tell.
    2. 0
      3 March 2023 20: 32
      "Military", perhaps, should be read: "and the military"?
  39. -2
    3 March 2023 15: 33
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  40. +2
    3 March 2023 15: 36
    I highly doubt that Israeli air defense would have coped with a massive raid of such toys. All the rest can be ignored. The bourgeois rely mainly on electronic warfare. Satellite signal can be jammed, but not guaranteed. Now sane technical solutions to cover EVERYTHING from a raid of this rubbish simply do not exist.
    1. 0
      4 March 2023 00: 45
      If it doesn't exist, then there's nothing to worry about. You just need to score on losses and inflict losses on the enemy 100 times more with your drones.
  41. +2
    3 March 2023 18: 31
    The reassignment of air defense is a clear sign of panic. They don't know what to do. And this is against Svidomo. And if they had f35 ?!
    1. 0
      4 March 2023 00: 43
      F35 is much easier to shoot down. The drone that landed on the plate was generally the size of a palm. These are used in racing.
  42. +2
    3 March 2023 20: 30
    "we managed to get within 100 km" in "Topkor" there was material from a specialist from the old air defense workers: the drones that were launched along Engels, most likely the DRG launched from Kazakhstan or "leaked" into our territory.
    This is quite possible, even, under the Union, gangs violated the border, and now ...... Yesterday's, defiantly attacked
    It can be assumed that they "on the sly" penetrated into our territory, and there are abandoned villages, former collective farms, in short, you can find a "hitch" to launch. And go, but they can "zashuharitsya" with us.
    There would be a desire and money, but to forge a document. Like two fingers
  43. +1
    3 March 2023 20: 58
    Quote: antivirus
    25-30 years ago it was necessary to give birth to a generation of winners

    And they themselves became consumers, and gave birth, the stump is clear, consumers. And the worst thing is that we are not going to refuse it. Let someone close us from drones there, someone move the border, and at the same time so that prices do not go up too much, and all the entertainment remains!
    Until we ourselves move in, that we are talking about our existence, naturally time will work against us. And we have built our capitalism for ourselves, now it is necessary in spite of ...
  44. 0
    3 March 2023 23: 40
    A Ukrainian-made UJ-22 drone fell in Russia, a hundred kilometers from Moscow, and, if you draw a hypothetical vertical line, it fell OUTSIDE Moscow.

    When I wrote a comment at the beginning of December 2022 that Ukrainian UAVs could fly to Moscow - and we need to be ready for this - I was wildly minus recourse
    Three months have passed
    It's already a fact
    But he flew 100 km more than to my city in the Moscow region !!! am
    It reminds me of Rust
    When he sat down on Red Square
    Then the shoulder straps and "heads" of marshals and air defense generals flew
    And now there will be a "starfall"? bully
  45. 0
    4 March 2023 00: 41
    In my opinion, the UAV problem is solved simply - by banning negative publications in the media. We need to introduce strict censorship. The real damage from them is vanishingly small, but the propaganda one just rolls over. Let them let them in as much as they want. It is necessary to start up in response 100 times more. War is war. Losses are inevitable.
    1. 0
      4 March 2023 13: 02
      Quote: meandr51
      In my opinion, the UAV problem is solved simply - by banning negative publications in the media. We need to introduce strict censorship.

      Perhaps this is what the SBU and the CIA are trying to achieve. At one time, the USSR imposed strict bans on the production of home-made aircraft. If in 1930 about 300 initiative design bureaus submitted their original projects to the glider competition, then by 1939 such amateur performance was prohibited. Putin did a similar thing with drones. Now it is more comfortable for their Russian aircraft designers to design in Tajikistan and Afghanistan.
  46. -1
    4 March 2023 04: 17
    Air defense must be reformed, united as a whole system. And it's good to finance if you don't want to lose communication plants. All strategic objects must be covered by air defense. EVERYTHING, I emphasize, power plants too
    If we talk about the Aerospace Forces now, which includes air defense, then things are catastrophic there
    We have few new air defenses !!! It is required to increase the production of what is, in reserve, including if our air defenses are broken.
    Air defense was financed on a residual basis, and you look at the number of aviation, it is also not enough there. This is all Putin's savings. Stop, maybe not Putin, maybe they are so afraid of him that if Putin said to save, then you need to save and not develop.
    If you look in detail, after all, no one imagined that the war would be drones.
    The question is also about air defense personnel, how trained they are, then maybe the machine sees and the person does not see.
  47. 0
    4 March 2023 05: 58
    A lot of words and water. Everything is as usual with this author. The surname should be at the beginning of the article. Otherwise, time is wasted on such opuses.
  48. 0
    4 March 2023 13: 06
    The reason for the arrivals, that is, was the reassignment of air defense? Or maybe these experiments were not needed then, since they can’t cope now. Or we always have to enter zero ppm or circular motion to cancel later
  49. 0
    6 March 2023 21: 11
    I do not get tired of repeating that in SA all such fundamental and difficult to correct in time issues were scientifically substantiated and calculated more than once, as well as tested practically on the scale of one or two VOs or GVs. Nothing was done from the "balda" just like that, for the people's money, and in the truest sense of the word, they answered with their head, career and shoulder straps, regardless of ranks and previous merits. Having some real experience in this area, I can say that any air defense officer of the SV knew and understood the operational-tactical and strategic situation, tactics and nature of the actions of units and units of the covered troops, often better than the combined arms commanders of these units, due to the nature of their activities. Breaking this connection between the combined arms commander - air defense - army aviation, etc., is a multiple weakening of the striking power of the army, division, it is critical to deprive the commanders on the battlefield of effective cover and the fire aviation component as a whole. With attached units and a strategic reserve, there may already be long agreements and misunderstandings. The air defense of the ground forces worked quite organically and effectively in the general air defense system of the country, all units of the air defense of the ground forces in the border areas were on combat duty under the unified control of the Central Air Defense Command. It seems to me that the data of the so-called. reforms to destroy a well-established, effective, critical mechanism have all the signs of deliberate sabotage of sabotage, that it would be time for the relevant authorities to "scratch" and find out the names, the degree of interest or stupidity of the performers and curators.
    Can you explain to me how a mechanic who has spent his whole life behind the wheel of a tractor wins a race behind the wheel of an F1 car, it seems that the steering wheel and wheels are here and there, so from what hangover did they decide that an effective manager does not need to delve into what he had to steer and where does he "master" the budget? So everything is in our country, a shoemaker bakes pies ..., one "effective manager of furniture production" under the guise of reforms, according to Hollywood manuals and glossy advertisements, destroys the aircraft, followed by a "civil engineer", creator of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, leads strategists in the war, after studying the art of strategy and tactics during biathlons and parades with theatrical performances at the training grounds. It is difficult to expect success, and so on. breakthroughs, if in the so-called. In the elite hereditary class in power, personnel policy is practiced on the basis of nepotism, personal loyalty and crime. What leads to the degeneration and degradation of the public administration system, all this is aggravated by the lack of real social elevators with the irremovability of power.