There are no divisions of different sorts. Victory is gained in battle, not in public disputes

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There are no divisions of different sorts. Victory is gained in battle, not in public disputes


undercover games


How annoying are undercover games. Some accusations against each other. Tired and outraged to the core. It is clear that the “peacetime syndrome” was, is and will be even in war. The classic "reward the innocent and punish the innocent" in action. Good is not the one who took the opponent's opornik, but the one who reported it beautifully.



But to disturb society with showdowns that are beneficial primarily to the enemy is to play on the side of the enemy. Look at Ukrainian and Western Internet resources. How much joy you will see in our enemies. How many more “Russia will soon fall apart” will you read.

It's no secret that not only commanders, but also units are different. Some are sharpened on the offensive, and sitting on the defensive for a long time is like death for them. I talk with some soldiers from such units and feel directly with my skin how they suffer morally and physically from trench life. The main question they ask is when?

But there are others, no less brave, but completely different. They work. They work in exactly the same way as they would work in a factory or some other enterprise. Ordered to stand and forget about the retreat - they stand, and nothing can move them. At the same time, a fairly comfortable life is being established there in a short time. "And what? We need a bath. So they organized it on their own!”

You listen to the fighters of such units and you get the impression that they are specially humorous: “They stick at us like idiots, and we laugh among ourselves. Where are you climbing on your BMP. You will now be fried like a grilled chicken ... ”This is a job that they, like any other, do well.

Which division is better? Are there criteria for determining the best in war? Eat! Not even criteria, but a criterion. One. But the most important! This is the result, the higher it is, the more effective the unit. Everything else is secondary. There is a result, which means that there is a more effective management system in the unit! So better organized interaction!

Which department should be preferred? Everything depends on the task at hand. For example, I was very surprised by some of the arguments even of the current commanders that the Wagner volunteers simply began to receive the same ration of ammunition as the rest. It's good that things seem to be back to normal.

I understand commanders. In war, you probably won’t meet a commander who would say that he has enough of everything. According to the norm - maybe, but in fact ... The stock does not pull the pocket. “Suddenly what”, and such “suddenly” happen almost daily. The presence of a sufficient (or better - more than the norm) amount of ammunition saves the lives of fighters.

No matter what they say or write, their own fighters are always better than replenishment. The commander takes care of every soldier. What about replenishment? They quickly become theirs too. Literally after the first fight.

But even here a seditious thought arises in my head. And who bears the main losses? Those who defend, or those who break into the enemy's defenses?

And the second question is no less relevant. And who determines the norms for the supply of ammunition? Based on what?

How many times has the phrase slipped through the media that the consumption of ammunition in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) is many times higher than it was in Stalingrad. At the same time, they wrote about it with some pleasure. Here is our strength. The whole of Europe stood in a pose of sic, crying about the depletion of arsenals.

I wonder why we quickly forget who does what in NWO? It somehow became of little interest that the Wagner volunteers were advancing almost from the beginning of the operation. Moreover, they have not retreated since the beginning of the NWO. They get the toughest jobs and get them done. Another question is with what losses. Yes, I am sure that the losses of Wagner volunteers are higher than in other units. But the tasks are being completed!

And here again the thought slowed down. I recalled the recent statement by Yevgeny Prigozhin about the end of the campaign to recruit volunteers among Russian prisoners. To be honest, I was very surprised by this statement. I was surprised because just a few days before this statement, Prigozhin published a video saying goodbye to fighters whose contracts had ended.

I saw the happy faces of the Wagnerites who returned home as heroes, not outcasts. Even those who became disabled during the operation. "Nothing. They will make a prosthesis and go home. To their own. Here is my family...” These were men who probably first learned what it is to be a man. Men capable of any feats who have gone through fire, water and copper pipes.

I wonder why this Wagner PMC refuses volunteer prisoners and at the same time shows its one-day losses in one of the videos on its Telegram channel? Refuses, despite these very eyes of his "demobilizations"? Well, I don’t believe that with such losses, the commanders will refuse such replenishment. To do this, such commanders must be very “strongly asked” to do this.

Even another statement by Prigozhin about hundreds and thousands of Americans who want to cooperate with PMCs did not convince me. Something I do not hear in the divisions of the volunteers of the NWO American speech. Maybe somewhere in Africa, in Asia, or somewhere else, American speech is heard among the Wagner fighters, but not in the Donbass.

Somehow, by the way, I remembered that PMC "Wagner" is not bad, to put it mildly, has established itself in Syria. According to rumors, they even somehow had to “bite” the American special forces. Yes, and in the capture of some cities, they distinguished themselves. By the way, in time this coincides with the times when General Sergei Surovikin also served there.

I already wrote about why and thanks to whom PMCs appeared at the front at all. Who could authorize such an order from a private company. And now we combine both judgments into one. Maybe this is the reason for the good supply of the Wagner, which began to falter under the new commander?

General Valery Gerasimov is absent from this scheme. Hence the order - like everyone else! And attack aircraft cannot be "like everyone else." It is not enough for the coming "like everyone else." They need as much as necessary to solve combat missions. And in general, General Gerasimov in this case turned out to be extreme and completely undeserved.

Remember when the "star rose" PMC "Wagner"? Despite the fact that the company has been successfully operating from the very beginning of the SVO. They started talking about PMCs when it started story with the capture of Artemovsk. Last summer. It was then when the frontal attack failed, and the "epoch of Wagner" began. There were reports about the taking of crowbars, the advancement of attack aircraft by tens or hundreds of meters.

For the first time, we learned how employees of a private company, including volunteers from former inmates, fight. After a short time, materials appeared about the exploits of the musicians, about awarding them with government awards, even conferring the titles of Heroes of the Republics and Russia. And here is the scandal over the supply of ammunition.

And also there were materials that local authorities refuse to comply with decisions on the burial of PMC fighters in memorial cemeteries. About the fact that relatives are not helped in carrying out such burials, and the like. Somehow it happened that living employees were perceived as heroes, and the dead heroes again turned into ordinary prisoners in the eyes of the local authorities.

I don't support either side. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has indeed been seriously “screwed up” in some matters. And even before the decline in supplies. We remember the reports of General Konashenkov about the capture of settlements by "volunteer detachments with the support of the Aerospace Forces and units of the Russian army." And the reaction of military correspondents and members of the NWO to such messages. It looked ugly, to put it mildly.

But Yevgeny Prigozhin is far from an angel. Many interlocutors told me long before the scandal that his criticism of the leadership of the Moscow Region, the leaders of some regions of Russia would backfire on him. Remember how evil Prigozhin spoke about the governor of St. Petersburg, Alexander Beglov, when a misunderstanding arose in the case of the funeral of the deceased Wagner musician.

What about his public supply charges? I understand that this issue was paramount for the PMC attack aircraft command. But I also understand that bringing military issues into the public sphere is unacceptable. It is unacceptable because there will always be radical people in society who will independently think up the facts and demand blood and circuses.

It's nothing you can do. The society is multi-stage. Some, like gladiators, go into battle, risking themselves. Others tear muscles to help gladiators. Still others are looking for new arguments in the negotiations ... But there are those who are tearing their stomachs ... "in the stands of the Colosseum." Those who "have a finger" that can be turned up and down, and so it's easy to doom the gladiators to death or to life.

Now about something else


Why do we need public scandals among the command of units and subunits? Why are scandals needed today?

We, those who participate in the operation, working in the rear, have changed. We have united. And those who propose to “pull out with blood from the system of the Ministry of Defense everyone who does something wrong or does nothing”, and those who defend the honor and dignity of officers, offering to sort it out first and only then make the final decision.

We all want victories and a speedy end to the operation. We do not divide our army "by grade". For us, the contract soldiers who used to serve on the territory of Russia are the same as the contract soldiers of the “new old draft”, who used to fight in the corps of the NM of the republics.

For us, volunteers from BARS and volunteers from musicians are exactly the same Russian soldiers as soldiers and officers of the army. They are everything to us - our Army! When I see the Russian flag on the administration building of another liberated village, I am proud of my Army. And if next to our flag I see the banner of some division or some republic, I am doubly proud.

Well, how can I separate the Russian army from the "Somalia", from the "Ghosts", from the Pacific Marines, from the paratroopers and artillerymen, from the same PMC "Wagner"? Any fighter, private, sergeant, officer, general, who goes into battle under the flag of my country is my relative. And the banner of his unit, unit, formation is my banner!

No need to be mean, hiding the victories of some unit. The banner that is above the liberated settlement is not the banner of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, not the banner of General Gerasimov, not the banner of General Kadyrov, not the banner of Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Next to the flag of my, no - our country, the banner of the victorious unit, unit, formation is developing! Every year, at the Victory Parade, we see the banner of Russia next to the assault flag of the 150th Order of Kutuzov II degree of the Idritsa Rifle Division!

It is the business of historians to study the actions of units, subunits, and individuals in war. As well as hanging labels. This is not the time to look for right and wrong. There are questions for everyone. Even to those who have no questions yet. When we win, the questions will disappear. Winners are not judged.

But to do that, you have to win...
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  1. -12
    2 March 2023 05: 16
    I agree that victory is one for all. But everyone contributes differently. Different units fight differently, so why not emphasize the merits of some and not pull the rest up to the level? even in the Great Patriotic War, the most distinguished units were awarded the title of "Guards". And not only for victories, but also for successful defense, for example. And remember in general the traditions of the Russian guard. Red stockings of the Preobrazhensky Regiment? the memory of "retreat knee-deep in the blood of their comrades, but in formation." And the defense of the Brest Fortress? what if it did not end in victory, then it cannot be said that the border units fought steadfastly and stubbornly? Shouldn't they be singled out? or I didn’t understand the general ambassadors of the article, but it seems to me that the merits of units and subdivisions, on the contrary, should be singled out and voiced!
    1. +11
      2 March 2023 07: 08
      Something I have not heard that the Red Army was recruited for money. Komsomol volunteers for money? I don't represent. My grandfather, who left to defend his hometown in the people's militia at 41, did not fight for money. It is strange to hear the definition of "volunteers" for employees of a private military company. At all times and in all countries they were called "mercenaries". We fight for what the owners of the company will order: for nickel deposits, oil fields, for money for the protection of a rich black man. Now mostly for Russia. For some, this coincides with inner convictions, but not necessarily for everyone.
      Or have the words completely changed their meaning now?
      On free sale:

      1. +1
        2 March 2023 07: 33
        The fact is that in 1942-1943, over 157 thousand prisoners were sent to the front by a special government decree, by the end of the war this number was brought to almost a million. Those who were lucky enough to survive returned to the camps after the Victory, but the thieves' family did not accept the "front-line soldiers".


        In the Second World War they were also taken from the camps, including "thieves", who after the war anyway returned to criminal activity. They were called "machine gunners". As a result, a "bitch war" broke out in the thieves' underworld, the thief in law who spent time in the camps and did not go to defend the Motherland took up. Not without the help of the prison administration. "Thieves in law", unlike the thieves who fought, did not demand justice for everyone and did not shake the law. However, the main requirement of the "machine gunners" was equality with non-combatant thieves. Read about the "crowbar belted". Not everything is clear.
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      3. +3
        2 March 2023 08: 51
        You are confusing time and a different type of economy. You are confusing that time with the era of globalization, when instead of war we have SVO and partial mobilization. Now much is blurry and not like what it was then. No need to look for a heroic past in current wars. We will have to evaluate it in a new way, there will be no previous wars.
      4. -2
        2 March 2023 09: 03
        And the contract soldier, doesn’t he fight for money? Didn't the soldiers of the Red Army get paid? For wrecked tanks, planes? Did they also fight for money? PMCs are the work of professional military personnel, but not from the Moscow Region.
        1. +8
          2 March 2023 10: 26
          This is how conscripts receive money, this does not make them mercenaries. Contractors, like officers, are professional military men who receive a salary for their work, and PMCs are mercenaries working for a rich uncle. And the fact that at the moment the interests of the state and the rich uncle coincide does not change anything. The expression PMC volunteers is just wild
          1. -4
            2 March 2023 11: 06
            Are there private clinics? Eat. Are there professional doctors there? Or are there mercenaries working for a rich uncle for money? When PMCs are officially recognized, it will only be an alternative MO office - like private clinics - an alternative to public ones.
            1. +5
              2 March 2023 12: 02
              And you can alternative prosecutor's office for example. Or a private Investigative Committee - who will offer the best conditions to the victim (or the accused, depending on the money))
              1. -6
                2 March 2023 12: 36
                Quote: Deck
                And you can alternative prosecutor's office for example. Or a private Investigative Committee - who will offer the best conditions to the victim (or the accused, depending on the money))

                Well, 40 years ago, they also scoffed about paid medicine - and now they prefer paid doctors more than free ones. Everything should develop, and the army too - if PMCs are more effective than the Moscow Region (not in everything, of course, but in some positions), then why indiscriminately discard "mercenaries" just because "they fight for money" - oh, oh, how immoral. A professional in any field is always expensive.
            2. +5
              2 March 2023 15: 00
              That is, you admit that at the moment PMCs are not legal. Anything that is illegal should not exist. And comparison with clinics is absolutely not correct. You would also compare PMCs with private toilets.
              1. -4
                2 March 2023 15: 46
                Comparison with private clinics is absolutely correct. Previously, they were banned and gave real terms for clandestine private medicine. Now allowed and exist in parallel state. medicine.
            3. +5
              2 March 2023 15: 06
              And you can also start a private parliament, let private laws write, and a private president can be a private guarantor of their private execution. Do not bring to insanity. Only the state should have the right to violence, and no one else.
              1. -4
                2 March 2023 15: 42
                Is a professional military man from PMCs a rapist? And how does it differ from a professional military man from the Moscow Region. And if now the state hires PMCs - is it acting illegally?
                1. +4
                  2 March 2023 16: 27
                  What's with the rapist? An absolutely decent person can work as a mercenary. But the difference between them is huge. A military man from the Moscow Region defends his homeland, and a mercenary works for his uncle. Until they piinyat the law on PMCs, but illegal.
                  1. -2
                    2 March 2023 16: 36
                    Did the military from the Defense Ministry in Afghanistan defend their homeland? Or hired? Vietnam, Cuba, Africa? And if the uncle is our state? can't again?
                    1. +2
                      2 March 2023 23: 10
                      Absolutely right. They defended the Motherland there, without asking the right of the Motherland or not. Without bargaining without asking about the amount of remuneration. And they went and defended.
                      1. -1
                        2 March 2023 23: 44
                        They did not defend their homeland there, but its interests, which can be anywhere in the world. And the Motherland is defended in the Motherland and nowhere else. And if a country hires lawyers to protect its interests in international courts, then why can't the same country hire professional military personnel from PMCs? Or will he send conscripts to protect his interests in all sorts of Papuans? What's better?
              2. AAK
                +1
                2 March 2023 17: 50
                And whose parliament do we have, is it really the people's, that is, from the people and for the people? And in whose interests did the same PMC "Wagner" "show violence" in Syria and now it is showing it in the NVO - is it not in the interests of the state ?!
                1. 0
                  2 March 2023 23: 15
                  If PMC employees want to defend their homeland, then let them sign a contract with the Defense Ministry or volunteers to go. At the expense of Syria, it is not at all clear there. For SVO, yes. At the moment, the interests of PMCs coincide with the interests of the Moscow Region. But what will happen tomorrow is not known ... at the expense of parliament ... well, the people chose it themselves. Like Zadornov. "The people were joking."
      5. +5
        2 March 2023 09: 03
        There is such a children's book by G. Rodari "Gelsamino in the Land of Liars" and what is happening now is very reminiscent of what this Italian writer described in this book.
      6. +6
        2 March 2023 10: 07
        Because in the USSR there was communism, and now capitalism. I will tell you a "secret", but they also go for a contract in the RF Ministry of Defense largely because of money and benefits. And all because under capitalism without money in any way.
        1. -1
          2 March 2023 23: 43
          There is such a profession to defend the Motherland ... There were, are and will be defenders in any form of government
          1. 0
            3 March 2023 21: 20
            There is, but under capitalism, the majority, even having a desire, will go only if there is an appropriate salary. A vivid example of the 90s, when even those pennies did not pay for 6 months, and we were sitting without heating and hot water in a crumbling town. Most of the graduates of military schools who then began to serve at the same time and quit, and their wives simply left someone, taking their children with them.
        2. +1
          4 March 2023 13: 07
          and how the SVO began, a bunch of reports flew to break the contract
      7. -1
        2 March 2023 10: 14
        It is strange to hear the definition of "volunteers" for employees of a private military company. At all times and in all countries they were called "mercenaries"

        Read the Geneva Conventions, it says who is a mercenary and who is not.
        A mercenary is not the one who fights for money. Conscripts and those are paid a couple of thousand each, and contract soldiers receive money, but they are not mercenaries. PMC employees are volunteers who voluntarily joined the ranks and went into battle for their Motherland. They are not mercenaries.
        1. +3
          2 March 2023 13: 22
          You were probably not brought to your work against your will either. So are you a volunteer or not?laughing
      8. +1
        2 March 2023 11: 21
        Quote: Deck
        It is strange to hear the definition of "volunteers" for employees of a private military company. In everything

        They go to PMCs voluntarily, and not by conscription. So yes, volunteers.
        Do you want to say that the current volunteers, PMCs, are not paid? And what about those who were called for mobilization? I don’t know how much the Wagnerites are paid, but hardly more than the army team. Then what's the difference?
        By article. The article is correct. Neither add nor subtract. I respect Prigogine, but not enough to leave him beyond criticism. On the one hand, I am a categorical opponent of "taking rubbish out of the hut" and resolving issues with the help of the media. Even if the Minister of Defense could not (did not want) to resolve this issue, then it was necessary to go to the Supreme. On the other hand, what if Prigozhin had no such choice? I had such a case - my superiors did not hear me, and did not want to hear. What to do? I threatened to stop the shop. In practice, I could do it, but I would never do it, because it was impossible to do it. And they heard me. And the issue was resolved.
      9. 0
        2 March 2023 13: 10
        Quote: Deck
        It is strange to hear the definition of "volunteers" for employees of a private military company. At all times and in all countries they were called "mercenaries". We fight for what the owners of the company will order

        Well, judging from your message, the officers are also mercenaries, they also receive money.
        At all times, there were mercenaries and their work was paid, no matter what you call the main thing, they always are and will be.
        Quote: Deck
        Something I have not heard that the Red Army was recruited for money. Komsomol volunteers for money? I don't represent. My grandfather, who left to defend his hometown in the people's militia at 41, did not fight for money.

        Well, let's say he fought from great love for his homeland for rewards and payment, he still probably received that Comrade Stalin paid the Red Army for excellent service on the front line. Even under Stalin, there was an institution of over-conscripts, in fact, professional military men, my grandfather fought like that for 10 years, in general, from Poland, then the Second World War and the warrior with Japan reached Seoul. With the money that Stalin paid the soldiers for success at the front, in addition to the awards, he bought a house and expanded the plot.
        Please don't be embarrassed.
    2. -2
      2 March 2023 12: 59
      Quote: voice of reason
      or I didn’t understand the general ambassadors of the article, but it seems to me that the merits of units and subdivisions, on the contrary, should be singled out and voiced!

      The brother somehow wrote everything correctly, but they threw the minuses like cucumbers.
    3. -1
      2 March 2023 23: 40
      I don’t know why you were downvoted so many times (to be honest, I often downvoted you, but not this time). How many on the forum everyone remembers with warmth and pride the exploits of the soldiers and workers of the rear of the USSR, and it was there that the name of the Guards was raised to a new height !!! Why downvote a person for the truth?!??!
  2. +17
    2 March 2023 05: 33
    That's who calculated that the consumption of shells is higher in Artemovsk than in Stalingrad?
    A very strange statement, having accepted the number of trunks in the artillery regiments near Stalingrad, even now.
    Second, all the games under the carpet in the Moscow Region that harm the infantry are not pranks of the pasanof snotty pissing each other in slippers, it's forgive the lives of soldiers.
    I suspect that for such games under Stalin, the NKVD's revolvers overheated.
    1. +1
      2 March 2023 09: 53
      Everything is considered simple. There are papers for both then and now. We must also not forget that in 1942 our army was many times behind the Wehrmacht in terms of the level of provision with shells and the shell shortage was at its full height. In general, maybe it's time to restore order at the front and bring units to the same denominator? A hodgepodge of units with an incomprehensible status and subordination resembles the times of the civil war. Personnel, PMCs, people's militia, volunteer battalions (not connected by anything and having the opportunity to blow at home even tomorrow) and all this is on the supply of the Ministry of Defense, but in fact it is not accountable to it and does not belong to it (with the exception of personnel). In the Second World War, even partisans who went beyond the front line were reorganized into rifle units, and here is a salad.
      1. +3
        2 March 2023 10: 28
        That's it. All who are at the front should obey only the MO and no one else. At this rate, things will soon reach the bashi-bazouks.
    2. -3
      2 March 2023 13: 22
      Quote: saigon
      That's who calculated that the consumption of shells is higher in Artemovsk than in Stalingrad? A very strange statement, having accepted the number of trunks in the artillery regiments near Stalingrad, even now.

      The number of barrels per km of the front and per unit is not an indicator of the intensity of fire, everyone considers the expense. In reality, the consumption is now higher, but thanks to small-caliber artillery, which is automatic. The consumption of cartridges is simply colossal higher than under Stalingrad, since everyone has automatic rifles.
      In reality, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are like the Red Army in 41-42, and we, as Germans, have a 10 to 1 superiority in artillery, and our shell consumption is 30 times higher than that of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What does the enemy swear in chats that their art is silent while the Russians iron them 10 times a day.
  3. +2
    2 March 2023 05: 48
    Hence the order - like everyone else!
    They are all so smart and sensible. And everything is much easier. During the year, the Russian Armed Forces have used up and are using up a huge amount of stocks created. How much was lost during the destruction of our arsenals both near the LBS and in the rear. And the question of why they began to introduce limits is no longer for Gerasimov, but for Manturov and Chemezov. Where are the hundreds of thousands of new ammunition? Which would allow not only not to introduce limits, but also to create the necessary stocks of ammunition for the spring-summer-autumn campaign.
    So, now giving Wagner ammunition beyond all norms, including for training firing, we deprive or some other sector of the front of this ammunition or deplete the supply that may be needed at any moment to repel the same "ZSU counterattack"
    So, it's worth discarding emotions and accepting reality as it is.
    1. +10
      2 March 2023 06: 34
      It would be nice to figure it out, but someone ordered these ammunition to Manturov and Chemezov? It seems that no one in the Moscow Region needed new equipment and ammunition until February 24, 22. Of course not counting single instances.
      1. +1
        2 March 2023 09: 59
        At one time, by the nature of his activity, he dealt with the issues of the release of ammunition within the framework of the State Defense Order. You simply do not represent the state of our enterprises involved in this. Production hangs at purely private factories (in many respects), for which the state defense order is a heavy stone around their necks and they did everything not to hang it on themselves. And the disruption of the state defense order is a purely economic violation for which they paid a fine and that's it. You are no longer being raped. Capitalism-s.
    2. +2
      2 March 2023 10: 30
      To be honest, I don’t understand at all how the Defense Ministry ships ammunition to a private company.
      1. 0
        2 March 2023 19: 28
        Quote from: Derbes19
        To be honest, I don’t understand at all how the Defense Ministry ships ammunition to a private company.

        In accordance with the concluded contract.
    3. +2
      2 March 2023 10: 58
      "Where are hundreds of thousands of new ammunition? Which would allow not only not to introduce limits, but also to create the necessary stocks of ammunition for the spring-summer-autumn campaign."
      and how many shells can be distributed in thousands of tons so that they are evenly fired in a thin layer in that direction? where are the successes? where are the reclaimed territories? not those farms that are "liberated" for months, but real successes, with the occupation of large cities, the reconquest of hundreds of kilometers of territory, the capture and destruction of large forces of the APU? There is not? it seems that our warriors just like to shoot from cannons, they feel like gods of war themselves. that's just the consumption of shells and the shooting of barrels in no way affect the success of the troops. the goals are different - the gunners have as many shells as possible to release in a unit of time. for infantry, to pretend that they are advancing somewhere, for months squeezing the enemy out of farms of 300 people each. How are things in marinka? for a month now they have been concentrating on the outskirts. "So they get it," according to the results. "there will be results, there will be shells. and the advances have already run out, they were wasted
  4. +18
    2 March 2023 05: 55
    Author wake up. According to press reports, PMCs, volunteer units, BARS, parts of the LDNR, Cossacks and now mobilized partisans from the Ministry of Defense are fighting in the SVO. Moreover, they often fight better than army units (remember the escape of the Khvardeytsev from under the Red Estuary). And the army, professional, should fight. Today we must already admit that Serdyukov and Shoigu ruined the country's defenses, turned the army into amusing troops. One reduced military schools and officers (and mostly those with combat experience), destroyed the institute of ensigns, transferred divisions to brigades. Another was simply engaged in fraud at various biathlons and ,, exercises ,,, creating the appearance of a powerful army. So we came to the conclusion that the army actually cannot fight. And in society, far from many people understand why this is NWO, the purpose of this? Most likely with one goal - to raise the rating of the zeroed and to squeeze their factories from the Ukrainian oligarchs, with the transfer to Russian (although they can no longer be called Russian). And apparently they know what they are fighting for, since they did not drop their weapons and did not immediately surrender. And the Ukrainian oligarchs help their army well, unlike ours.
    1. -1
      2 March 2023 20: 06
      Quote: fiberboard
      .But on the other side they are fighting mainly, for some reason, army units, and namely brigades.

      Strange logic for a person who has received so many pluses.
      Here, near the Outskirts, which has carried out several mobilizations, army units are fighting and it is the brigades (?)
      And contract soldiers are fighting with us (according to your logic, these are not army units (?) Are they partisan detachments? wassat)
      The mobilized are still fighting (as in the outskirts), but in your opinion, these are not "army units" either. Well .., a berry on the cake - "exactly the brigades." In your opinion, this is horror, horror, that in addition to brigades (which, you won’t believe, also participate in the NWO), we also have battalions, and regiments, and divisions.
      Quote: fiberboard
      And the Ukrainian oligarchs help their army well, unlike ours.

      And you know this for sure. And about the outskirts, and about ours? Share who, where, how much. In no way am I defending the oligarchy, I myself have "tender" feelings for them, but in fairness, I must remind you that even I myself noted one, for modesty, did not trumpet myself that I was helping, and great financial assistance to the NWO.
  5. +3
    2 March 2023 05: 56
    Remember how evil Prigozhin spoke about the governor of St. Petersburg, Alexander Beglov, when a misunderstanding arose in the case of the funeral of the deceased Wagner musician.

    And what can this governor feel while sitting in comfortable conditions in his office, where everything he needs is at his service ... stay in the shoes of a soldier crawling in the mud along a trench from the last strength under bullets to his goal and at any second ready to die ... so I really understand Prigozhin, who is worried about the lives of his fighters ... these are very different worlds ... and if a person is abruptly moved from war to civilian life, there are often psychological shifts after that. what

    It is necessary to be more careful with those who are on the verge between death and life.
    1. +3
      2 March 2023 09: 14
      Not to justify the governor, but the Wagner fighter consciously came to this private office and knew perfectly well what he was doing and what would happen at his work, and in this office the employee-employer relationship, in contrast to the one mobilized by the Ministry of Defense. And what should be the differences in the burial of a mercenary, although here many people don’t like this word, but, as they say, you can’t throw words out of a song, so at least minus yourself until you’re blue in the face, from the steelworker “Uncle Vasya” who has been honest and conscientious all his life worked at the factory and without honest and conscientious work which mercenary would have nothing to fight with?
  6. +4
    2 March 2023 06: 06
    Which of the chiefs is worried about what and how sorry he is for the killed and wounded soldiers is his own business.

    But if you ask "who benefits", then it is clear that a day of SVO costs a billion dollars, and over the past year, global arms manufacturers have warmed their hands more than in the previous 30.

    And the fact that "billionaires are people too" and "their darlings cheer for the people", although "there were mistakes" - - - we know, sir ....
    1. +5
      2 March 2023 06: 15
      Quote: ivan2022
      Which of the chiefs is worried about what and how sorry he is for the killed and wounded soldiers is his own business.

      This is not a personal matter ... here you are deeply mistaken ... every soldier and officer is a living person, he has a mother, father, wife, child.
      And if the boss stops seeing this and thinks that military personnel can be ruined because of their whim and mood, then such a boss can be safely imprisoned for wrecking our country and people ... women don’t give birth much ... it takes twenty years for society to raise a ready soldier, and our people's strength is not infinite.
      As for the benefits in the war, the question is rhetorical ... all the cream is removed from it by the winner ... there have been, are and will be wars you can’t get away from them due to human selfishness.
      1. 0
        2 March 2023 15: 57
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        As for the benefits in the war, the question is rhetorical ... all the cream is removed from it by the winner.

        Do you think that during WWI or WWII the German "defeated" industrialists did not receive anything? If it were so, no war would have started at all. There is always one winner - big business. Since the bourgeois are the only ones who
        followed the slogan of Marx; "..Unite!"
  7. +10
    2 March 2023 06: 22
    A very chaotic article ((((Maybe the author found out about the existence of the Avgner PMC only now, but I remember them from Syria. I repeatedly wrote about the legal creation in the RF Armed Forces of similar units like the "foreign military legion". For me personally, professional the army and professionals in their field are not the same thing.I see contract workers who came before the start of the SVO to pay off the mortgage, a meter tall with a cap and an iPhone in hand and go from civilian housing ((((The army must constantly be in good shape, at least its backbone. Prigozhin has the right to constructive criticism of the General Staff, he, unlike the staff officers, is responsible for the lives of his soldiers, and there in the unit the guys are harsh, they are not trained in politeness and the conversation is purely masculine.
    1. 0
      3 March 2023 20: 03
      Can you be honest? He shouldn't have any right. This is a private company, got involved - fulfill the contract.
  8. +3
    2 March 2023 06: 29
    This opus should have caused controversy and discussion, but no, the author himself concluded at the end of the article: "" It is the business of historians to study the actions of units, subunits, individuals in the WAR. "" and we have NWO ........
  9. -7
    2 March 2023 07: 03
    The article is very good and correct! Everyone should draw conclusions!
  10. fiv
    0
    2 March 2023 08: 01
    “You have to understand them, son. You quickly went around both of them, for some reason dad fell in love with you, such rubbish. And a good dog is always jealous of another, whom the owner strokes. He always gnaws at him, trying to get gourd. This is the law. And so is a man. ("White clothes" V. Dudintsev)

    No riddles. All this has already happened. And will be.
  11. +6
    2 March 2023 08: 13
    I talk with some soldiers from such units and feel directly with my skin how they suffer morally and physically from trench life.

    You listen to the fighters of such units and you get the impression that they are specially humorous: “They stick at us like idiots, and we laugh among ourselves. Where are you climbing on your BMP. You will now be fried like a grilled chicken ... "

    I saw the happy faces of the Wagnerites who returned home as heroes, not outcasts. Even those who became disabled during the operation.

    For some reason, there is a feeling that the author invented everything - he did not talk to anyone from the front-line soldiers and nothing
    did not see. It comes out very lame.
    Remember how evil Prigozhin spoke about the governor of St. Petersburg, Alexander Beglov, when a misunderstanding arose in the case of the funeral of the deceased Wagner musician.
    The conflict between Prigogine and Beglov arose long before the funeral. Back in 2020. Naturally, the financial component is at the heart of it, so the information war has been going on for a long time - and in all directions. So the funeral is just a small episode
  12. +5
    2 March 2023 09: 13
    I wonder why this PMC "Wagner" refuses volunteer prisoners

    Do not give. As well as the shells were not given. Prigogine himself spoke about this. Those who forbade giving Wagner stormtroopers themselves need to be sent to attack!

    I have the impression that instead of mobilization and concentration of forces, we have quite the opposite, as in the fable "The Cancer Swan and the Pike."
  13. +2
    2 March 2023 09: 19
    Why do we need public scandals among the command of units and subunits? Why are scandals needed today?

    For the fact that today in Russia there is such a situation, when only after a loud scandal problems begin to be solved.
    Sometimes even a hole in the road begins to be patched up only after the intervention of the prosecutor's office.
  14. 0
    2 March 2023 10: 20
    It's all water, IMHO.
    As they correctly noted: "PMCs, volunteer units, BARS, parts of the LDNR, Cossacks and now mobilized partisans from the Moscow Region are fighting."

    Another main question: Is it possible to criticize and wash dirty linen in public...?
    Stupid question.
    If you do not criticize, then the shortcomings will not be corrected in time, and extra tens/hundreds/thousands (etc) of people will die / suffer.
    How many have already died .... Ukrainians? The media choke in delight: from 100 thousand to half a million.
    And the old people who were left without heat and electricity? What about hospital patients? What about sick children?
    They seem to be ordered not to remember ....

    But Criticizing above some level ... is impossible for obvious reasons

    Bottom line: just the predecessor and boss of Putin, took and divided the country.
    And then the Russian oligarchs fed the nationalists (due to which their property is not privatized now, it is not bombed at 100%). And they showed Ukraine that all its agreements on integrity .. (on nuclear weapons disarmament) are nothing. And all the interests of Russia are money for the pumped gas of the oligarchs ....
    Criticism? in fact it wasn't. Everyone nodded at the zombie ... At any promise.

    Here is what happened. On eternal approval. When everyone nods and sleeps right in the hall at the message of the GDP ...
  15. +3
    2 March 2023 13: 04
    I read the comments and laugh. We ourselves built a state where money was elevated to the rank of politics and philosophy. And now the question arises, why. the same money. Where is the best training and equipment? Where is a good leader and you can’t equip and arm money without them. Two did not go under the contract through the Moscow Region, but left and went to fight through Chechnya. The other, having won the contract in the Moscow Region, the second went to fight in Wagner. Does this mean something to you? Ask them why.
  16. RMT
    +3
    2 March 2023 13: 13
    "There are questions for everyone. Even for those who have no questions yet ..."
    The author poured "water", but there are no questions. I read such notes in the company's "Battle Sheets".
  17. +2
    2 March 2023 20: 07
    Since the beginning of the operation, the "volunteers of the assault detachments" (TM) could not perform - they were not called. Only when someone had screwed up liquidly did they call those whose people had come to fight, and not fill out magazines and straighten edgings.
  18. -2
    2 March 2023 22: 10
    PMC employees are released from the SVO in SIX months, and the military personnel of the reshular army and the National Guard are also the same?

    What is the difference in salaries and combat payments to military personnel and PMC employees?

    Do they have the same food supply standards?

    Losses of PMC employees are included in Konashenkov's statistics or?

    Isn't there too much in the information space of Mr. Prigozhin, a man with a more than dubious biography, and who is he to "crush a loaf" for the Russian Defense Ministry?

    - PMC employees who do not serve time are not subject to mobilization in the Russian army?

    If a PMC works under a contract, what are the conditions, in particular the conditions for the use of military equipment, etc., payment for ammunition, etc.

    A highly profitable PMC should BUY ammunition, because it earns on CBO:
    https://ianed.ru/2023/02/21/ft-доходы-евгения-пригожина-от-компани/
    FT: Yevgeny Prigozhin's income from companies in Africa and the Middle East reached $250 million
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  20. 0
    3 March 2023 14: 51
    Already really sick of these non-"supplies" of PMCs. Yes, that's right, everything is issued according to the rules. It does not happen in the army without rationing. On the basis of rationing, separation is built, a supply schedule. There is a concept like the density of fire, the calculation of ammunition to perform a particular task on a km of the front, and so on ... and it cannot be otherwise, because it cannot. It cannot, because there is a limit to the possibility of industry, a limit to the possibility of logistics, etc. If three divisions attack, then ammunition cannot pour into one, only because the pace of the offensive is higher and the commander is more successful, and the other two, by residual. If a platoon / group is going on a task, then a soldier who runs faster, pulls himself up more and shoots better will not take three magazines more with him. And if, when completing a task, he shoots his BC, if possible, his comrades in the store will be thrown to him, but, if possible ..... for his sake, on purpose, they will not carry ammunition ... Always, at all times, ammunition. this is what ends the fastest, even in the final stage of the war, units and formations periodically experienced "shell hunger", especially in the offensive (the rear fell behind, the echelon was bombed ....) this is a war, there are a lot of introductions every hour.
  21. 0
    April 19 2023 16: 07
    It is not clear what is in the Kremlin with the head. What parade?! We cannot defeat Ukraine.