Outdated but promising. The potential of the armored personnel carrier BTR-50P

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Outdated but promising. The potential of the armored personnel carrier BTR-50P
Transportation of the BTR-50P in an unknown direction. Photo Telegram / ChDambiev


Almost 70 years ago, the BTR-50P tracked amphibious armored personnel carrier entered service with the Soviet army. Its operation lasted several decades, after which the army switched to newer models. Nevertheless, a number of foreign countries continue to use this technique and make full use of its technical potential. According to the latest news, now the Russian armed forces can use the remaining potential and resource of such equipment.



In an unknown direction


A few days ago, on February 23, a couple of interesting photos appeared on profile resources and blogs. An unknown photographer, somewhere in the vastness of the country, captured the transportation of old-type armored personnel carriers. A pair of KamAZ tractors with the letters “V” hit the lens, towing three-axle tank semi-trailers along the highway. The latter carried two BTR-50Ps as cargo.

Whether there were other tractors with armored objects on trailers in this "convoy" is unknown. Where and where the armored personnel carriers were taken from is also not reported. However, the transportation of armored vehicles of an outdated model did not go unnoticed. There were also assumptions and versions, the authors of which tried to explain the observed picture.

The letters "V" on the tractors led to the assumption that the transportation was connected with the current Special Operation. Moreover, some bloggers and publications have even suggested that BTR-50Ps are already in the area of ​​the operation. They also tried to explain why obsolete armored vehicles were needed there. Different versions are expressed, both logical and plausible, and frankly alarmist.

It should be noted that new photos or videos of the BTR-50P being transported or delivered to the site have not yet appeared. Perhaps in the future it will become known where and why this equipment was transported - if such information is subject to publication. It cannot be ruled out that we are talking about some "internal" affairs of the army, which will not be discussed for one reason or another.


Only two armored personnel carriers got into the frame. Photo Telegram / ChDambiev

historical pattern


BTR-50P has a very long history. So, back in 1949, the Leningrad VNII-100 received the task of developing two unified models of armored vehicles - a light floating tank "740" (future PT-76) and the floating armored personnel carrier "750" (BTR-50P). N.F. became the chief designer of both samples. Shashmurin.

The development of two projects took only a few months. In the spring of 1950, the experimental "750" entered the factory tests and, in general, showed the required result. In the fall, a couple of armored personnel carriers were submitted for state tests, but they failed the test. For completion, the project was transferred to the Chelyabinsk plant No. 100.

In August 1951, state tests resumed, and this time the "Objects 750" confirmed the design characteristics. It is curious that they were tested both as a transport for the infantry and as a carrier of artillery - the guns simply rolled into the troop compartment. According to the test results, in 1954 the product "750" was adopted under the designation BTR-50P. Production was organized at the Stalingrad Tractor Plant.

Initially, the BTR-50P was produced in several versions with different weapons. In 1958-59. launched the production of a modernized BTR-50PK with a habitable compartment roof and protection against weapons mass destruction. Also, the armored personnel carrier became the basis for the command and staff vehicle, engineering equipment, all-terrain vehicles, etc.
Production of the BTR-50P at Stalingrad/Volgograd continued until 1970.

The bulk of the equipment came to parts of the Soviet army. Also, significant quantities of armored personnel carriers were sent abroad. In addition, Czechoslovakia and China organized the production of machines under license. In total, the BTR-50P and its modifications entered service with more than 35 countries. About 15 are still operating it.


BTR-50PK in the museum. Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

In recent decades, in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and even Indonesia, various options for upgrading the BTR-50P were proposed, aimed at compensating for moral and physical obsolescence. These projects provide for the replacement of the power unit and weapons. In this case, protection, chassis and other key elements are not affected.

Technical features


The amphibious tracked armored personnel carrier BTR-50P is built in a welded hull made of steel armor with a thickness of 6 mm (stern) to 10-13 mm (forehead). The armor provided protection against small arms bullets and shrapnel with similar energy. In the “PC” modification, the hull was supplemented with a roof, which improved the vehicle’s ballistic protection, and also made it possible to seal the inhabited compartments.

The crew of an armored personnel carrier of two people is located in the forward control compartment and has its own hatches and viewing devices. A troop compartment for 20 people was organized in a building with a high cabin. boarding and disembarking overboard. The closed version of the hull received hatches in the roof.

On an open installation or on the hatch of the troop compartment, machine guns of various types were placed, up to 14,5-mm KPV. If necessary, the BTR-50P with an open troop compartment could carry a gun up to 85 mm caliber, a mortar up to 120 mm caliber or recoilless rifles.

A power unit based on the V-6PVG engine with a power of 240 hp was placed in the stern of the hull. Power was distributed to the rear drive wheels. Chassis - with six large-diameter road wheels on each side, suspension - torsion bar. Two jet propulsion units were placed in the stern.


Command and staff vehicle BTR-50PU. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

The combat weight of the BTR-50P, depending on the modification, reached 14,4-14,5 tons. On the highway, the car developed a speed of 45 km / h, on the water - 10,5 km / h. Cruising on the highway did not exceed 260 km, afloat - 60-70 km. The armored personnel carrier could move and operate in the same battle formations as the PT-76 tank.

Design potential


Our army decided a long time ago to abandon the tracked BTR-50P and completely switch to wheeled BTR-60/70/80. The vehicles that remained in service with a sufficient supply of resources were put into storage, made monuments and museum exhibits, or sent abroad, the rest were disposed of. At the same time, some other countries continue to operate the BTR-50P and are generally satisfied with such equipment. It is assumed that it still retains certain advantages and has not yet used its full potential.

This success has several reasons. So, the BTR-50P project was based on a rather successful and promising concept. It was implemented using a number of original technical solutions with high potential. In the future, despite the abandonment of the BTR-50P, such concepts and ideas were not abandoned. In one form or another, they were used in the new BTR-D or BT-3F projects.

The BTR-50P also had technical advantages. So, it compares favorably with other domestic and a number of foreign armored personnel carriers with a caterpillar undercarriage. Despite the complexity and other disadvantages, the caterpillars give higher cross-country ability in all conditions, primarily in muddy conditions or on the coast.

At the same time, the potential of the undercarriage is not fully utilized. The standard 240-horsepower engine gives a specific power of only 16,7 hp / t, which is not enough to achieve high mobility. In this regard, all BTR-50P modernization projects provide for the replacement of the power plant.


BTR-50P of the armed forces of Indonesia. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

The regular armored hull protects only from small arms bullets, and this does not meet the requirements of a modern conflict. In this regard, the BTR-50P differs little from other domestic and foreign armored personnel carriers of previous generations. Accordingly, all such machines need additional protection, screens, etc.

With all this, the design and layout of the hull and wheelhouse provide great advantages. The BTR-50P compares favorably with the large size of the troop compartment. Even with the replacement of seats and other upgrades, it is able to carry more fighters than other armored personnel carriers. In addition, a large volume can be used to accommodate the necessary equipment or even towed artillery.

The BTR-50P is capable of carrying a variety of weapons - machine guns of various calibers, automatic grenade launchers, small-caliber guns or anti-tank systems. One of the modernization projects proposed the installation of a cannon-machine gun turret similar to other domestic armored personnel carriers. Installation of remotely controlled modules is also possible.

Forecasts and versions


Thus, even by modern standards, the BTR-50P looks like a fairly successful machine that has advantages over other representatives of its class. At the same time, there are a number of significant shortcomings that impose restrictions or even lead to risks. In general, due to proper modernization, replacement of units and installation of additional tools, it is possible to improve all the main characteristics of an outdated armored personnel carrier and actually extend its life.

As a result of such an update, a modernized armored vehicle will appear, suitable for further operation and solving various problems. It is unlikely that it can be effectively used at the forefront of a full-scale conflict, in the presence of especially dangerous threats. However, work in the rear, with a limited level of threats, is quite within the power of such an object.

It is possible that this will happen with a pair of BTR-50Ps recently seen on one of the Russian roads. In this case, they no longer have to stand idle at the storage site awaiting disposal, and they get a chance to serve their country. But other scenarios cannot be ruled out. So far, we can only speak with confidence about the transportation of two armored personnel carriers. Where and why they were taken, perhaps, will become clear later. Or not.
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  1. +15
    28 February 2023 04: 17
    Great car. No worse than the very widely used MTLB. Yes, and the S-60 57mm cannon is much better to put on such a machine than on Kamaz.
    1. +13
      28 February 2023 04: 26
      Aren't you embarrassed by the very fact that something like this is being revived?
      1. +21
        28 February 2023 04: 39
        Works? Works. Does it work well? Fine. And what should be embarrassing if it ALREADY IS and perfectly copes with its functions?
        1. +14
          28 February 2023 06: 17
          I agree with you, the production of new technology is not a fast and cheap business. It's worth a lot to quickly deliver a unit with a full load of ammunition to a slush.
          1. +21
            28 February 2023 07: 26
            Who was joking about the t-55/54? How about humor now?
            1. +4
              28 February 2023 09: 22
              Who was joking about the t-55/54? How about humor now?
              , wait soon we will see the IS-2 and IS-3, as well as the T-34, they also shoot and can pierce the Leopards and ARbrams in the side. It's just to burn.
              1. +9
                28 February 2023 09: 55
                The DPR already had an IS-3, drove it, fired a machine gun. As of now, I don't know.
                1. +6
                  28 February 2023 10: 56
                  Yes, just yesterday I watched the news in the morning, they say: the Dno army corps is actively using the most modern weapons, and they show the T-64. The corps of the DPR and LPR, the most combat-ready units, and such an attitude towards them, give the most junk, I won’t be surprised that these armored personnel carriers -50 are going to them.
                  1. +6
                    1 March 2023 01: 29
                    Quote: Mol_18
                    actively uses the most modern weapons, and show the T-64.

                    T-64 - MBTs of the same generation and model years as most T-72s and T-80s. Moreover, in the 1st Corps (DNR) there are mainly captured T-64s, which means with a modernized and brought to mind engine. About "the most modern", these are, of course, journalistic skids, this public is generally without brains and concepts, but there are a lot of T-64s in the DPR and LPR, and they fight no worse than the T-72.
                    Quote: Mol_18
                    I won’t be surprised that these armored personnel carriers -50 are going to them.

                    Firstly, these are just TWO BTR-50s, secondly, they are likely to go to equip Wagner units, and thirdly, they may well go to the 1st Corps as artillery tractors or armored personnel carriers of supply (the same shells and Bring BC to the front end).
                    There is nothing wrong with this, if any equipment capable of recovery will be returned to service and used where it is justified and useful.
                    And let the armored factories drive the T-90M, Terminators and BMP-3 \ 3M to the maximum. The rest - from storage bases and through repair plants into operation.
                    1. +1
                      4 March 2023 08: 29
                      T-64s, even at the very beginning of the conflict, did not perform too well. HZ, maybe the Kharkiv people messed up there. I am, by education, a welding production technologist, and I have a good idea of ​​how many nuances there are. The Tagil T-72 is preferable in every way. And if there are also modern modifications, then quite.
                      1. +2
                        4 March 2023 08: 42
                        PS: UVZ is now generally driving the T-90M for three shifts. As a tanker, I am a little offended that the T-14 was never brought to large-scale production, but the T-90M (Proryv 3 ROC) is also more than a combat-ready vehicle.
              2. -1
                5 May 2023 08: 28
                Quote: Mol_18
                Who was joking about the t-55/54? How about humor now?
                , wait soon we will see the IS-2 and IS-3, as well as the T-34, they also shoot and can pierce the Leopards and ARbrams in the side. It's just to burn.

                It's just tin.
          2. +14
            28 February 2023 07: 39
            The armies of a number of countries have long had ammunition transporters! Why is the BTR-50PK not an "ammunition carrier"? Flaws ? Who doesn't have them? No, you tell me!
            1. +15
              28 February 2023 09: 06
              everything is better than advancing across an open field
            2. +3
              28 February 2023 18: 59
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Why is the BTR-50PK not an "ammunition carrier"?

              It's not that.
              1. Where did you go (material from the 2000s)
              Currently in the vehicle fleet of the Armed Forces (AF) more than 700,0 thousand samples automotive technology. The basis of the park is automobile base chassis (ABS) for the installation of ground-based mobile weapons and military equipment (AME) of all types, types of troops, special forces and services (about 60% of the total number of the BAT fleet).
              25% trucks (trucks)
              6% special vehicles (general purpose)
              4% passenger cars
              4% tracked vehicles


              2. It turns out very diverse
              3. Somehow late, and he does not have the "ammunition carrier" option
              Ammunition is a substance of the 1st hazard class. Carriage of ammunition by road requires vehicles of class EX II or EXIII and is governed by the rules for the transport of dangerous goods.
              Boxes with ammunition must be packed very tightly in the body of the vehicle, not overturned. Firearms are placed transversely.

              Try to upload it

              19.08.2022
              Thanks to the Tutaev enterprise, defense plants were able to deeply modernize army tractors

              1. +2
                28 February 2023 21: 44
                This "modernization" of MTLB can be framed and hung on your wall with the caption: "A visual aid to increase profits out of the blue"
              2. 0
                28 February 2023 23: 56
                go to Avito - dial - equipment from conservation - there are a lot of things
        2. +1
          1 March 2023 10: 07
          Yes, with such logic, the use of even copies can be justified. In general, any reasonable argument can be reduced to absurdity. We are becoming a bankrupt country.
      2. -2
        28 February 2023 05: 21
        Where do you see recovery?
        Maybe they were transported to scrap metal or just trawls were tested under load?
        It blew right away....
      3. 0
        28 February 2023 06: 04
        And what's wrong with that? Not a bad car, if translated into a modern basis! Add active armor, new and really good KShM electronics, a tractor for artillery systems, and the same for transporting people! Much better than beta!
        1. +11
          28 February 2023 13: 06
          What active armor? What electronics? How old are you? Do you understand that even a budget Renault will never work out of a conditional VAZ2101 with the addition of a conditional "pioneer" radio tape recorder and power windows? Absolutely the same applies to military equipment.
          1. +7
            1 March 2023 01: 50
            Quote: cast iron
            What active armor?

            With active armor, the comrade went over, as well as with electronics, although a good connection would not hurt. But a roomy, spacious, tracked armored personnel carrier will never be superfluous - like an armored personnel carrier (BC to the front, take out the wounded on muddy soils), like an artillery tractor for the "Rapier" or D-30, for internal placement of a mortar ("Cornflower" or 120 mm .), as a command post vehicle.
            And they brought these armored personnel carriers, most likely for the Wagner or the LDNR corps, they know where and how to use them.
            1. +3
              1 March 2023 17: 42
              How are you going to take out the wounded on the BTR50? He has landing / disembarking through the roof. Do you propose to tie a stretcher with a rope to the roof of the MTO ??? MTLB is much more convenient and better for these purposes.
              1. AMG
                0
                April 3 2024 12: 04
                It will be more convenient to have what is at hand.
          2. +1
            2 March 2023 05: 36
            Quote: cast iron
            How old are you?

            How old are you?
            Quote: cast iron
            You understand that from the conditional VAZ2101 by adding the conditional radio "pioneer" and power windows, even a budget Renault will never work

            You, apparently, except for "collective farm tuning" have not seen anything else in your life ... Everything should be done by people who are in love with their work
            Quote: cast iron
            Absolutely the same applies to military equipment.

            You can argue. When the filling of the same IL-76 is changed, the engines are changed, then the output is an aircraft with higher performance. The BTR-50 is good as a base chassis for special equipment, for the same KShM, vehicles for UAV operators, etc. ... An excellent base that you just need to bring now to modern requirements.
            1. 0
              5 March 2023 22: 32
              1. I already feel good for 30 years. And the question about age was not addressed to you.
              2. It is possible to fashion even a Bentley from a VAZ2101 MANUALLY and IN A SINGLE COPY. If you are going to sculpt a Bentley from museum exhibits, then I assure you, for the money spent, it will turn out exactly the same as if you decided to produce a new, more modern technique. In your video, it is the collective farm that is shown. The guy got confused and made a drift kart out of retro. I would not drive such a car if I had a choice between it and, for example, the Ford Focus.
              3. You are comparing aircraft upgrades. But this cannot be an exact analogy. The aircraft itself is much more expensive equipment than the armored personnel carrier. Much. This is first. And secondly, when designing aircraft, an ORIGINALLY huge modernization potential is laid. Based on the above factors, it becomes clear that in some cases it is MORE FAVORABLE and COST-EFFICIENT for the state to modernize the airframe of an already old aircraft than to build the same one, but with new electronics. Moreover, our country is very limited even in the possibility of producing new IL76. At this stage, it is much cheaper and faster to upgrade the old airframe of the already built Il76 than to build a new one.
              And for the BTR50, it is completely economically and militarily not advisable to saw through the old building into something more or less modern. It takes a very long time, it is very expensive (it’s easier to build a new MTLBU) and there are no capacities at which this modernization could be carried out MASSIVELY.
              The time of the BTR50 is gone. This is a museum exhibit and is only suitable for more or less gratuitous assistance to some paramilitary formations until the mat resource is fully developed. And then into the meltdown.
              1. -1
                7 March 2023 18: 29
                This armored personnel carrier has a higher cross-country ability than the MTLB, and the MTLB has a higher cross-country ability than the BMP.
        2. +7
          28 February 2023 21: 33
          A self-propelled mortar will come out good, like the Czechs. At least 120mm, at least Cornflower. Ambulance, tug Rapier, etc.
          1. +2
            1 March 2023 02: 52
            BTR-50PK of the Iraqi Shiite militia in Iraq (with 23mm gun)


            Serbian modernization of the BTR-50S
      4. +33
        28 February 2023 07: 25
        Quote: SergioPetrov
        Aren't you embarrassed by the very fact that something like this is being revived?

        No, it doesn't bother. Any armored personnel carrier is better than a Kamaz or an unarmored Ural.
        1. +21
          28 February 2023 09: 22
          An armored personnel carrier is better than a Kamaz or an unarmored Ural.
          You can’t argue here.
        2. MSN
          0
          1 March 2023 08: 51
          For what purpose? As a transport vehicle, any armored personnel carrier is much worse than the Urals or Kamaz. And this is, as it were, the main goal of both the Urals and Kamaz.
      5. +7
        28 February 2023 08: 20
        Quote: SergioPetrov
        Aren't you embarrassed by the very fact that something like this is being revived?

        And if it is SUCH, with excellent seaworthiness, it may soon come in handy ...
        1. -3
          28 February 2023 09: 57
          Especially with such "wonderful" performance characteristics in terms of fuel consumption per 100 km ...
          1. +1
            28 February 2023 18: 18
            Quote: SergioPetrov
            Especially with such "wonderful" performance characteristics in terms of fuel consumption per 100 km ..

            The ability to overcome at one gas station afloat - 80-140 km. Are you short?
            With the width of the same Dnieper up to 2,5 km
        2. +1
          28 February 2023 13: 07
          Where are you going to sail on the seas of Ukraine?
          1. +1
            28 February 2023 21: 34
            Odessa may have a reservoir for this pepelats.
        3. +5
          28 February 2023 18: 53
          New engine for 300 horses, reinforcement of the sides with screens, and an 82 mm mortar inside
          1. +3
            2 March 2023 08: 13
            If you approach it correctly, then 120 mm will fit perfectly there. Communication, topographic location at the level of the tablet and ammunition. Excellent platform for pocket artillery
      6. +17
        28 February 2023 08: 21
        I personally am embarrassed that a good car was written off as scrap without using its potential. The ancient motorcycle league is still in service and is not going to retire. And fifty dollars can be used no worse.
        1. +11
          28 February 2023 13: 08
          MTLB is just more convenient. She has a body with more convenient access. Unlike the BTR50.
          1. 0
            28 February 2023 21: 38
            And what prevented the armored personnel carrier from being upgraded to convenience? The engine is more powerful, new hatches, new seats and surveillance devices.
            1. 0
              1 March 2023 17: 44
              The design interferes. The layout is classic tank. Those. ICE at the back. This means that there will be no normal rear doors and a comfortable body.
      7. +9
        28 February 2023 08: 58
        don’t be embarrassed, the weapon should bring maximum damage at a minimum cost, in this case it is a good transport platform with interesting characteristics at the price of armored metal (which costs about 10 times more than ordinary steel ....)
      8. +14
        28 February 2023 09: 18
        In major wars, this is always the case, and it is for this that they are stored in warehouses, and not taken to scrap metal in order to reanimate.
        During the Second World War, a bunch of promising weapons, svt and avs, were taken out of production, and they put into production a mosquito 50 years ago, abandoned modern kv tanks, mig-3 fighters, zis-2 guns (then they really returned it when 45 stopped coping ).
        There will be more waves of mobilization and equipment will be removed from storage, I will repeat it there precisely for this and it is worth using it in case of war.
        There is a 3 world war, it just has not yet become total and nuclear.
        1. +2
          28 February 2023 17: 13
          As for the rejection of HF, when was this? Literally in June of the 41st, they released a series of shielded ones and kept the release, until they abandoned the promising KV 3 and started work on the IS
          Directly during the war, they modernized, and even experimented, made KV-1S, KV-85, tried to put larger trunks
          They abandoned the ZIS-4 / M because something more powerful was already needed, because the T-34-57 series was anyway, pre-war
          The same BTR-50 is fundamentally no different from any other BTR-XNUMX that is already in service, except for the promising BMO / BTR-T
          1. 0
            28 February 2023 21: 43
            He meant the 57mm gun, which had excessive penetration and manufacturing complexity. Then, at 44, she was returned to production, as she pierced the Tigers, but they made little of them, since the ZiS-3 was already riveted. And the BTR-50, according to the reviews of its operators, had better cross-country ability than MTLB and the ability to move on water. Pore ​​an Internet.
            1. +1
              28 February 2023 21: 53
              The Zis-4 is the same 57-mm cannon, it had problems with the resource, but it was finished and the batch was released, then, in the 44th, requests grew and the S-53 and D-5 (T) were already discussed
              there is an BTR-D, in which case it should be at the level
              Some characters are dispersing the wave of alarmism, giving out their re-mothballing as a shortage of wheels of the tenth series, although there will be no fundamental difference in their combat qualities, provided that one combat module is installed, and the classic ones, apparently, will never end
              1. 0
                1 March 2023 00: 26
                You are mistaken, I was talking about the ZiS-2 57mm. And she proved to be great, except for the complexity of maintenance and production.
                1. +1
                  1 March 2023 01: 26
                  ZIS-2-original cannon with its own bolt, breech, was not placed on tanks
                  ZIS-4 is an F-34 with a ZIS-2 barrel
                2. +2
                  1 March 2023 02: 16
                  Quote: Dost
                  You are mistaken, I was talking about the ZiS-2 57mm. And she proved to be great, except for the complexity of maintenance and production.

                  She showed herself unsuitable for Soviet industry. Yes, in general, any industry other than German - neither the Americans nor the British went to 70klb trunks.
                  From the point of view of the army, the "hole punchers" of high ballistics did not take root in the spacecraft either.
                  1. AMG
                    0
                    April 3 2024 12: 17
                    Not true. From 1945 to 1949, Soviet industry produced 6359 guns.
                    1. 0
                      April 11 2024 08: 16
                      I'm talking about wartime industry, not post-war industry.
            2. +1
              1 March 2023 02: 12
              Quote: Dost
              Then, at 44, she was returned to production, as she pierced the Tigers, but they made few of them since they already riveted the ZiS-3

              Wrapped up for nothing. And where is your relationship between ZiS-2 and ZiS-3? How do you put them together in one sentence?
              1. 0
                1 March 2023 17: 58
                Very simple. When a need arose for a large penetrating ability, its production was restored, but since many components of the ZiS-2 gun were also used in the production of the ZiS-3, the power of the industry did not allow the production of the ZiS-2 to be increased. A modified ZiS-2 was also produced in 1945.
                1. +1
                  1 March 2023 21: 38
                  Quote: Dost
                  When there was a need for a large penetrating ability, its production was restored

                  When the Americans gave the machines, its production was restored, but in fact they started anew, with a different technical process.
                  Quote: Dost
                  many components of the ZiS-2 gun were also used in the production of the ZiS-3, then the power of the industry did not allow to increase the production of the ZiS-2

                  ZiS-2 and ZiS-3 had common carriage details, while the production of ZiS-2 was limited to barrels. The release of the ZiS-3 was many times higher than the release of the ZiS-2. In fact, spacecraft were transferred to a six-pounder from mallets already at the end of the war and immediately after it. The production of the ZiS-2 continued until the 49th year.
      9. 0
        28 February 2023 22: 49
        It was conserved for that, in order to be useful one day. Replace dviglo and hang screens, the car will be normal,
      10. 0
        8 March 2023 17: 28
        after mosquitoes at the LDNR militia, it’s definitely a wunderwaffe
      11. 0
        8 March 2023 19: 54
        And someone said what to reanimate?
        Option: we decided to organize a safari in the Krasnoyarsk Territory or Yakutia. Etc.
      12. 0
        8 March 2023 20: 13
        Quote: SergioPetrov
        Aren't you embarrassed by the very fact that something like this is being revived?

        It's embarrassing and even very annoying. If it goes on like this, we will soon read this -
        "Thus, even by modern standards, the T-34-76 looks like a fairly successful machine that has advantages over other representatives of its class."
      13. 0
        April 6 2023 12: 57
        Why else do you need to store equipment and ammunition? Something else should be embarrassing, for 30 years the enterprises had to lay conditional MTLBs instead of it ...
    2. +9
      28 February 2023 04: 33
      I completely agree with you .. For the "Infernal Threshing Machine" S-60, the BTR-50 is a very interesting carrier .. hi
      1. +9
        28 February 2023 07: 15
        Quote: Angry 55
        I completely agree with you .. For the "Infernal Threshing Machine" S-60, the BTR-50 is a very interesting carrier ..

        even if you put the ZSU-23-2, it will also be very good. and a 14 or 12 mm heavy machine gun on this unit is still better than on a jeep or nothing.
      2. +9
        28 February 2023 07: 31
        Quote: Evil 55
        I completely agree with you .. For the "Infernal Threshing Machine" S-60, the BTR-50 is a very interesting carrier .. hi

        Not enough space will fit. But in 2001 I saw one such tray with a mortar without a roof, the option is just fire to support the advancing infantry.
    3. +14
      28 February 2023 06: 02
      Quote: malyvalv
      Great car. No worse than the very widely used MTLB

      These are cars of different classes. The BTR-50 still has no equal in terms of the ability to overcome water barriers and patency on soft soils. MT-LB is a much more versatile machine. Their security is about the same.
      1. +4
        28 February 2023 06: 19
        The BTR-50 still has no equal in terms of the ability to overcome water barriers and patency on soft soils.

        So you answered why they are needed there. Spring on the outskirts begins much earlier, soon there will be a continuous mess of mud.
    4. +2
      28 February 2023 08: 22
      Quote: malyvalv
      Great car.

      Good. And somehow everyone forgets that she has excellent seaworthiness, and in Ukraine there are places where exactly such qualities that greatly helped the Egyptians to force the Suez Canal, and the Israelis to win that war have where to apply
      1. +11
        28 February 2023 10: 22
        A Browning machine gun in a mud hut or a KPVTshka on a Toyota will bury your crossing of the Dnieper on these coffins. Terrible armor protection and fuel consumption of 2 liters / km, which overloaded logistics and led to the abandonment of this unit back in Soviet times. By the way, how will fuel and lubricants be delivered to him? It just takes a very short time from filling to filling.
        1. 0
          28 February 2023 18: 13
          Quote: donavi49
          A Browning machine gun in a mud hut or a KPVTshka on a Toyota will bury your crossing of the Dnieper on these coffins.

          This is provided that the basics of tactics are violated and at the moment the forcing begins, the opposite coast will not "boil" from the explosions of shells and missiles. And our reconnaissance and strike UAVs will not hang in the sky.
          1. +2
            1 March 2023 00: 00
            But in general, does anyone in the General Staff know about these basics? - List examples of the use of these basics in operations in Kyiv, Kharkov, Nikolaev?
            1. +1
              1 March 2023 19: 42
              Quote: Leshy74
              during operations in Kyiv, Kharkov, Nikolaev?

              Is that all you know? I already know a hundred successful and competent actions of our troops, at the level of a battalion-regiment, in the areas of Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, Same Svatovo and Kremennaya.
        2. -1
          28 February 2023 18: 56
          Why ran into consumption., Put the engines from the BMP.
      2. +1
        28 February 2023 13: 16
        Any heavy machine gun with 1-1.5 ammo will turn a floating BTR50 into a sieve. I hope you will be one of the first volunteers to volunteer to force the rivers of Ukraine on this "ship".
        1. +1
          28 February 2023 18: 11
          Quote: cast iron
          I hope you will be one of the first volunteers to volunteer to force the rivers of Ukraine on this "ship".

          They give the command - I will not refuse. Since you still need to get into the floating armored personnel carrier ...
    5. +3
      28 February 2023 09: 57
      On service met with this machine. A good car, excellent cross-country ability in snow and swamps, they swam along Zeya, it was outrageously simple to repair ... They jokingly called the armored personnel carrier 50 PK, "against the Chinese" ...
      1. +2
        1 March 2023 16: 58
        Quote from Alexvoku
        I met with this car in the service

        I VERY liked the engine of this armored personnel carrier, low-speed, viscous, in order to inadvertently drown it out, you need to have a SPECIAL talent. Yes, and afloat it is cool, thanks to water cannons and very simple controls.
    6. +10
      28 February 2023 12: 58
      I (the platoon commander) had two BTR-50 PUMs in Mongolia - a command and staff vehicle in the communications battalion. The best memories! What is worth only the internal processing of the "armor" - something like paralon is glued to the steel, and on top of it there is high-quality dermantin! Head, of course, it was not worth it to apply, but it was warm enough, even when it was -25 outside with a breeze ...
      Starting the engine is combined - both from the battery (it is possible in a buffer with a gas unit), and from a pneumatic starter. I didn't drive fast, but softly. I didn’t ask questions about repairs - for six years I changed the V-6 dviglo on one, they waved without straining themselves at the PTO in two days.
      1. +4
        28 February 2023 19: 41
        Quote: Yngvar
        What is worth only the internal processing of the "armor" - something like paralon is glued to the steel, and on top of it there is high-quality dermantin!


        Most likely it was a flame retardant moltoprene produced in the USSR (and based on an idea borrowed from the Germans).
    7. +3
      28 February 2023 19: 46
      "great car"
      Well, no worse than a motorcycle league and a serious cannon and a mortar can be easily put up. There is a place and a stable base. And to seriously strengthen the armor, although, of course, armor cannot be made on a light armored personnel carrier like on a tank, but it is possible to reach the level of the BMP-3 due to additional armor.
      The V-6 engine is a "half" of the V-2 type tank diesel engine. Here you can either put a supercharger on it to force up to 350 forces (if these diesel engines are available) or replace it with a more modern power unit, for example, YaMZ -536.
      Old does not always mean bad, as evidenced, for example, by the Mosin rifle.
      But in any case, such an age-old technique will require serious training in the factory.
      The option to go from the storage base directly to the unit is unacceptable. They will be just piles of iron, even if they are brought in at the base and loaded onto railway platforms.
      But to modernize and install the same S-60 or 120 mm at the tank repair plant (or better 160 mm, maybe somewhere else was lying around from the war along with the BTR-50 wink ) is always useful.
    8. +2
      1 March 2023 21: 46
      It is quite suitable for installing a 120mm mortar.
  2. +30
    28 February 2023 04: 26
    The BTR-50 is an excellent platform for 82 and 120mm mortars.
    During the years of the Chechen companies, old people were equipped with ZSU-23 with homemade shields. Additionally, blinding the engine compartment with sandbags and gravel in two rows. At the VVshniki checkpoint, they used an unaccounted for with an 82mm Cornflower. They dug three caponiers “left”, “right” and “far” with two excavators. For the "unaccounted for" apparently stolen from DOSAAF, all the bosses fought them, but the peasants endured and did not give them back. Each time, providing certificates of surrender of the armored personnel carrier, either in metal or in DOSAAF. Over a glass of tea, they shared a “chleka” to exchange the D-30 and try to hoist it on the old man. I don't know how it ended.
    For its part, the “50s” have only one drawback - the typewriter of the early 50s is worn out, there are practically no new ones. At a minimum, those that are supplied to the SVO guys need to change the engine, optical instruments. Well, as a self-defense weapon, it’s a good idea to install smoke mortars and a 12,7mm machine gun.
    Well, somewhere like that. Good day everyone!
    1. +11
      28 February 2023 07: 36
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      The BTR-50 is an excellent platform for 82 and 120mm mortars.
      During the years of the Chechen companies, old people were equipped with ZSU-23 with homemade shields. Additionally, blinding the engine compartment with sandbags and gravel in two rows. At the VVshniki checkpoint, they used an unaccounted for with an 82mm Cornflower.

      Yes, in 2001, with the Marines, I observed a variant of the BTR 82 without a roof with an 50mm mortar, running smartly like that and pointing a nix at the enemy.
  3. +19
    28 February 2023 04: 30
    The thaw has begun in Ukraine. Beter on a goose - there is manna from heaven, it’s not in vain that the most armor involved there is matalyga. If you don’t drive it to storm the fortifications, but use it as a rear bus for 20 (!!!) people NOT on the front line, then this is manna from heaven
    1. +18
      28 February 2023 04: 47
      The thaw has begun in Ukraine. Beter on a goose - there is manna from heaven,


      There and the BTR-80 for happiness, otherwise they made Tigers and Typhoons for asphalt.
      1. +8
        28 February 2023 05: 20
        otherwise they made Tigers and Typhoons for asphalt.
        but trendy...
        1. KCA
          +3
          28 February 2023 06: 20
          And what, for Typhoons U and K, the mud penetration is much weaker than that of the Ural 4310 or 4320 and, accordingly, KAMAZ 4310?
          1. +2
            28 February 2023 07: 43
            Compare the mass, is it different? ..............................
            1. KCA
              0
              28 February 2023 08: 19
              Well, the engine is not 240l.s. it costs 450, or maybe more, in the 80s, I don’t remember exactly, KAMAZ participated in the international rally for the first time, not Dakkar, it’s different, serial cars competed there according to the regulations, two days were given for fine-tuning, so engines from 240 to 500hp forced
              1. +5
                28 February 2023 09: 01
                so engines from 240 to 500hp forced
                - you could only read this from Hans Christian Andersen ... bully
                1. KCA
                  +1
                  28 February 2023 09: 18
                  If you wish, you can look for information about that rally, I’m too lazy to try for you, I still don’t complain about memory, G. H. Anderson did not live in the USSR, and even more so he did not make news on TV
                  1. +6
                    28 February 2023 12: 59
                    I was not too lazy and looked - 1988, a rally in Poland, a Kamaz-4310 car, a 10,8l engine, 210hp, they were able to boost it to 260hp .... Something like this hi
                    1. 0
                      1 March 2023 00: 04
                      so he said - Andersen did not live in the USSR - he lives now - under the nickname KSA
              2. +2
                28 February 2023 15: 55
                Dirt penetration is much stronger on the mass with an equal wheel formula than it depends on the power.
          2. +1
            28 February 2023 17: 20
            Have you seen these monsters live? I saw and God forbid they get stuck, how to pull them out? Drive armored vehicles on caterpillar tracks? Asphalt vehicles are written correctly here.
      2. +3
        28 February 2023 08: 50
        ANY technique brings a lot of benefits if it is still used properly .. The experience of the same Wehrmacht with its generally epic tank and transport zoo clearly shows this ..
      3. +2
        28 February 2023 11: 07
        Quote: Konnick
        There and the BTR-80 for happiness, otherwise they made Tigers and Typhoons for asphalt.

        The "Typhoon" has more or less decent cross-country ability - EMNIP, in Syria it was not the stuck "Tigers" and even the Turkish MRAP that were pulled out.
        1. 0
          3 March 2023 15: 23
          I went to Typhoon. He has excellent cross-country ability and not only on the roads. And it seems that the first sample of domestic technology, where I, a man of average height (180 cm), was able to climb normally and sit quite comfortably inside.
      4. +2
        28 February 2023 13: 36
        Tigers and Typhoons are patrol vehicles and are not designed to move in the same formation with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. For some reason, you are not indignant at the fact that military cargo KAMAZ trucks are worse in terms of cross-country ability than the BTR80.
    2. +3
      28 February 2023 13: 38
      Why is the BTR50 better as a rear bus than the MTLB? In my opinion, it's worse. The mass is greater, landing / disembarking is extremely inconvenient through the roof. Fuel consumption is higher. And the armor is the same. MTLB as a rear bus is much more convenient and economically beneficial.
      1. +3
        28 February 2023 17: 23
        Yes, no one is going to change or clean up. My opinion is that without a good repair and modernization, their place is as educational and monuments. For the rest, put your hands and head on and you will have equipment.
  4. +32
    28 February 2023 06: 17
    Ah well done, ah well done Cyril! February 24.02 - AMX-10P with a 20 mm gun, protection against 23 mm from the forehead and 14,5 from other sides (and this is before the modernization of 2005) outdated trash will not help Ukraine either, February 28.02 - BTR-50 from 7,62 machine gun, pea armor is the best choice for NWO ....
    1. +9
      28 February 2023 09: 59
      It's different, you need to understand! feel

      Your comment text is too short
  5. +2
    28 February 2023 06: 49
    There is such a word as lucky! Unfortunately, we often thoughtlessly destroy or forget (we have everything to the ground as usual ...) many products that have a well-deserved effective reliability! Although nothing is eternal, but inventing a bicycle is still something we have to do! For its tasks, a wonderful car, you can’t imagine better in the role of KShM. At one time, I would have gladly grabbed the replacement of the ZIL-131 automobile chassis with the ZIL-157, there is nothing to break!
    1. 0
      28 February 2023 13: 33
      How is it better than the already used MTLB?
    2. +2
      28 February 2023 15: 22
      At one time, I would have gladly grabbed the replacement of the ZIL-131 automobile chassis with the ZIL-157, there is nothing to break!

      ZIL-157 was made until 1991 ...
      1. +1
        28 February 2023 17: 27
        Before the withdrawal of troops from the South GV, I saw a column of vehicles 10 all 157 lined up and fire from tanks on them. Why am I asking new ones, what answer should be in the army around and marching in step.
  6. +12
    28 February 2023 07: 04
    Quote: parma
    Ah well done, ah well done Cyril! February 24.02 - AMX-10P with a 20 mm gun, protection against 23 mm from the forehead and 14,5 from other sides (and this is before the modernization of 2005) outdated trash will not help Ukraine either, February 28.02 - BTR-50 from 7,62 machine gun, pea armor is the best choice for NWO ....

    This is different)
    1. +2
      28 February 2023 09: 20
      At all)""""
  7. +15
    28 February 2023 07: 12
    The author has Western help for scrap metal, and our antediluvian consider that it is unarmored and with a weak engine, outdated in everything, but it can swim, at one time it was already taken out of service, when the required model returns to service, it also stutters about modernization ... well straight double standards.
    1. +6
      28 February 2023 10: 00
      Our brave warriors, their cowardly savages...
  8. +4
    28 February 2023 07: 14
    An excellent base for mortars .... Redo everything.
  9. +1
    28 February 2023 07: 48
    It seems to me that for forcing water barriers, the BTR-50P, after some modernization, is the very thing.
    1. +7
      28 February 2023 13: 22
      So how is it? Have they forced a lot in the last 70 years? BTR 50 from any 12.7mm machine gun turns into a colander from extreme distances. This is a museum piece.
  10. +3
    28 February 2023 07: 49
    The BTR-50 is the best that we had from the BTR. I always thought that these eight-wheeled squalor 60-70-80 are a monstrous mistake for the sake of economy. In the end, where are these savings? It would never occur to anyone to reanimate the Btr-60, and the 50s can be safely removed from conservation and modernized, the potential allows. The only good news is that the Americans also made a mistake - they abandoned the magnificent M113 in favor of the Stryker wheel misunderstanding.
    1. +5
      28 February 2023 08: 05
      The BTR-60 replaced the BTR-152, not the BTR-50.
      1. +1
        28 February 2023 09: 08
        He replaced both the BTR-152 and the 50-ku. And for me, it would be better to leave 50 and improve 152. And they would come to these modern mraps, carry them along the roads
        1. +2
          28 February 2023 15: 45
          Instead of BTR-50s, infantry fighting vehicles went. A tracked vehicle was needed to ensure that it did not lag behind the tanks.
  11. +1
    28 February 2023 07: 59
    What always surprised me was that in Soviet times the main armored personnel carriers in the marines were (and remained) the BTR-70/80, although the PT-76 was full. These wheels float, in principle, not bad, but on a sandy beach, even with 4 leading axles, there can be problems.
  12. +1
    28 February 2023 09: 09
    Armored personnel carrier Shell - almost a copy of the armored personnel carrier 50, so upgrade and forward to the troops
    1. +1
      28 February 2023 15: 54
      For a shell and bmd-4 (they are unified) an order for years to come.
    2. AMG
      +1
      28 February 2023 22: 11
      Or maybe on BT-3F? https://vpk.name/library/f/bt-3f.html
  13. +9
    28 February 2023 09: 17
    It’s just not funny anymore, the fact that the West supplies this “outdated useless rubbish”, and ours of the 50s of the 20th century is “outdated, but promising”. No, I understand carrying loads in the rear, but they want to limit themselves not only to the rear.
  14. +4
    28 February 2023 09: 33
    No need to put guns of any caliber on it, it is never a tank. But the mortar (preferably automatic) in the troop compartment will be the very thing. The combination of at least some booking with mobility.
  15. +3
    28 February 2023 10: 01
    It is definitely impossible to compare the BTR-50 and AMX-10. Fifty dollars is a wonderful "armored bus", bring ammunition, put a mortar, and KShM. Better than an unarmored or ersatz-armored truck and more passable, swim as a bonus! In combat formations, he has nothing to do. Personally, the question is that it is still not used in NWO. for its tasks (off-road transportation and protection from bullets and shrapnel in the depths of battle formations and in the rear) - a good car, replace the engine - it will become an excellent car!
    AMX-10 has completely different tasks and the machine is so-so for these tasks.
    1. +7
      28 February 2023 10: 50
      They are compared not with each other, but in relation to them and the double standards of the author.
    2. +5
      28 February 2023 13: 29
      "Great bus", "beautiful truck". And there are no doors. Embarkation / disembarkation and unloading / loading only through the roof, through the hatches ... "Amazing convenience."
      1. -2
        28 February 2023 20: 10
        Quote: cast iron
        "Great bus", "beautiful truck". And there are no doors. Embarkation / disembarkation and unloading / loading only through the roof, through the hatches ... "Amazing convenience."

        Does the truck have doors in the back?
        1. +1
          1 March 2023 17: 48
          The truck has access to the body from behind at the level of the human abdomen. Dropped the board and loaded what you need. And the BTR50?
          1. +1
            8 March 2023 17: 21
            Quote: cast iron
            The truck has access to the body from behind at the level of the human abdomen. Dropped the board and loaded what you need. And the BTR50?

            Convenient hatches at the height of the basketball hoop. What's better?
  16. +7
    28 February 2023 11: 29
    Now I hope it is clear why the USSR armed itself and riveted tanks and other equipment by the tens of thousands? Many argue that having so many nuclear weapons, why would they make so many tanks, etc., if the USSR also thought so, what would modern Russia fight on now? Putin's government should thank the USSR every day and bow to it
    1. +4
      28 February 2023 20: 11
      Quote: Shamil88
      Now I hope it is clear why the USSR armed itself and riveted tanks and other equipment by the tens of thousands? Many argue that having so many nuclear weapons, why would they make so many tanks, etc., if the USSR also thought so, what would modern Russia fight on now? Putin's government should thank the USSR every day and bow to it

      That's exactly right. Only the guarantor is the main anti-Soviet.
  17. +8
    28 February 2023 14: 59
    As a result of such an update, a modernized armored vehicle will appear, suitable for further operation and solving various problems. It is unlikely that it can be effectively used at the forefront of a full-scale conflict, in the presence of especially dangerous threats. However, work in the rear, with a limited level of threats, is quite within the power of such an object.

    It would be interesting if the author in the above plan considered updating this armored vehicle.

    1. 0
      1 March 2023 18: 56
      Well, such a Leopard would be rolled into the trash. I think something like Kirril R. would write.
  18. +4
    28 February 2023 17: 18
    I already understood from the title - RYABOV !!! Regardless of the usefulness of these transporters in a situation where it is necessary to provide something for the mobilized. Almost the same age as the M113.
    1. 0
      8 March 2023 17: 18
      Quote from: blackGRAIL
      I already understood from the title - RYABOV !!! Regardless of the usefulness of these transporters in a situation where it is necessary to provide something for the mobilized. Almost the same age as the M113.

      I read it to the end, and it’s true, RYABOV
      A universal set of stamps for any topic, regardless of the actual state of affairs
  19. +1
    28 February 2023 18: 41
    An excellent device for trips to the neighboring Ukrainian galaxy, replace the gravitsapa with a more powerful one, add a little armor and go for pasta with vegetables or something else ... tastier good drinks
  20. -1
    28 February 2023 19: 27
    Considering the high level of mobility due to the tracked chassis, the device is quite more versatile (besides, it also has a floating platform) than equipment with a wheeled chassis. Therefore, as a transport for transporting food and BC to the front line for personnel, especially food (war is war and eating according to the daily routine, because it is more convenient for a well-fed soldier to complete the task), the conveyor is more than ideal. good drinks
    1. +3
      1 March 2023 18: 59
      How will you load and unload it? Although you don't have to do that.
      1. +1
        8 March 2023 17: 15
        Quote: Alex Z
        How will you load and unload it? Although you don't have to do that.

        The sofa is very comfortable!
  21. +1
    28 February 2023 20: 20
    when they first successfully hit the Shaheds, I thought that the 1940s were required for air defense against them - sound detectors, quad machine guns, balloons with barrage nets instead of radar and air defense systems. Now, looking at penny drones that drop F-1s right on their heads, such an armored personnel carrier seems like a good solution, especially in the slush season. As an alternative to an unarmored truck, not an infantry fighting vehicle.
    1. +2
      5 March 2023 22: 45
      It would be much more economical to change the cabs of ordinary trucks to armored ones than to spend a lot of money on "refinement" of a museum exhibit.
      1. +1
        8 March 2023 17: 14
        Quote: cast iron
        It would be much more economical to change the cabs of ordinary trucks to armored ones than to spend a lot of money on "refinement" of a museum exhibit.

        No, you need something that has no analogues in the world, otherwise it’s not budget
  22. -1
    28 February 2023 20: 22
    It's not clear what the dispute is about.
    No one goes into the water without trying.
    So why not try upgrading a couple of things and see what happens.
    Put a more powerful engine, hang armor, surveillance devices.
    And see what happens and how you can use it.
    I don't see any problem.
    And only then to break spears, whether such a machine is needed or not.
    T-72 won how many upgrades went through.
    We are not talking about using 50s on the battlefield in attacking formations.
    That's right, they saved it. Thanks to the USSR, they made good equipment. The same "motorcycle".
  23. Uno
    +7
    28 February 2023 20: 39
    Western deliveries of equipment - not relevant and will not make the weather, BTR-50 - outdated, BUT promising)
  24. +3
    1 March 2023 01: 44
    First the T-62, then the BTR-80, now the BTR-50 has been dug up .... Tomorrow we will roll out the IL-2 from museums am
    1. -1
      8 March 2023 17: 13
      Quote: BorzRio
      First the T-62, then the BTR-80, now the BTR-50 has been dug up .... Tomorrow we will roll out the IL-2 from museums am

      For the destruction of unmanned small fry, it was the hunchbacked one that would fit perfectly
  25. +2
    1 March 2023 10: 14
    Quote: SergioPetrov
    Aren't you embarrassed by the very fact that something like this is being revived?

    Wait, we will see another armored car, from which Vladimir Ilyich Lenin once spoke. And what? According to "Vozhd_Barmaleev (Sergey)" - he works, works well. Does its job. Even shoots.
  26. 0
    1 March 2023 17: 55
    No, well, you are all handsome (including the author). We saw a photo of two "caterpillars" and have already come up with a bunch of theories of a worldwide design and modernization conspiracy in the Russian Defense Ministry))) And the guys there, "at zero", are quietly stuffing air bombs and a detonation cord into these old men, and are surprised at you. As for me, a very suitable option for a "shahid motorcycle league".
  27. +3
    1 March 2023 18: 34
    Shoi said that he had upgraded weapons by 70%.
  28. 0
    1 March 2023 20: 29
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    The armies of a number of countries have long had ammunition transporters! Why is the BTR-50PK not an "ammunition carrier"?

    Why only ammo? Personnel too! And as a base for a self-propelled mortar. And also a "letuchka" for quick delivery to the right place of ATGM, MANPADS calculations.
    1. +2
      5 March 2023 22: 47
      I sincerely wish you to work on loading / loading 152 mm ammunition on this "amazing" and "comfortable" BTR50. And we will somehow get by with the "inconvenient" and "unpromising" MTLBU.
  29. +1
    1 March 2023 21: 24
    And how much more unrealized potential does the T-34 have !! It's just some kind of Klondike! Get back up and running immediately!
  30. +2
    2 March 2023 20: 11
    JDAM - won't help!
    BTR-50 - top!
    Ryabov in his repertoire :)
  31. +1
    8 March 2023 10: 13
    A 120mm mortar in the body and an excellent mobile mortar battery will turn out
  32. +2
    8 March 2023 17: 10
    The article is unfortunately in the usual style. You can put a more powerful engine, you can put additional armored parts, a turret with a gun, etc. at the same time, the weight will fly beyond conceivable limits, the chassis will crumble, there is no cross-country ability, but the main thing is your view from the sofa
  33. +1
    9 March 2023 11: 04
    The longer all this shit lasts and the further it goes, the more I am sure that Iosif Vissarionovich definitely knew or guessed something. SO prepare the country, this is not just the greatest man in history, but also quite a messenger of the Lord. You can not write idiocy about mass executions and other famines.
  34. +1
    9 March 2023 20: 07
    Ohhh ... I already experienced one shock when I saw the MTLB with the ship's "double-barreled gun" ... No, well, if the crew includes those who "invented" to reanimate the equipment of the "time of the Battle of Kulikovo" and gave the green light to the practical implementation of the "project" ... then - Yes, you can see from the outside what will come of it. Well, add "to the armor" of those subjects who compiled reports on "no analogues." In my opinion, everything will be right and fair. Someone should be held accountable for mistakes and fraud.
  35. 0
    22 March 2023 13: 32
    There is no alternative to this machine in the Ukrainian black soil. If you want a mortar. Delivery of ammunition and food. Evacuation of the wounded and the population ... The design is simple. Reliable to the point of disgrace.
  36. 0
    18 May 2023 23: 02
    It seems to me that it will be much more convenient for a mortar crew of a 120 mm mortar to change positions on such an infantry fighting vehicle, especially in muddy conditions, and even a water barrier will not be an obstacle for it.

    That is, on the second line, where artillery is located, including towed artillery, for such a mobile mortar of increased security and maneuverability - the very place. :) Calculations of towed artillery will envy such mortarmen with white envy. :)