New T-80BVM tanks for a special operation: it looks like they had to save on sights

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New T-80BVM tanks for a special operation: it looks like they had to save on sights

Whatever one may say, the protracted and, most importantly, active military conflict obviously affects the production of military equipment of the countries participating in it. Something is being modernized and finalized in order to improve performance, and something is being simplified for the sake of forced release and cheaper products.

The special military operation in Ukraine is far from an exception in this respect. We all saw how this winter UralVagonZavod began to ship new Tanks T-72B3 with enhanced protection, which was the result of an analysis of combat experience, however, not without controversial decisions. But an example of minimizing costs in favor of mass production was the updated T-80BVM, which received a different sighting system, which without a shadow of a doubt can be called a simplified hodgepodge.



The thermal imager is now different


There are strong suspicions that after reading the first paragraphs of this material, many will inflame with righteous anger and wonder how we have come to such a life. However, the fact that Sosna-U sights would not be enough for all tanks was clear for a long time. It is understandable simply because with such a large number of vehicles pulled out of storage to restore them and bring them into combat condition, material costs and the workload of component production will increase many times over.

Whether this should be criticized is not the subject of this article. We proceed simply from what is available.

Yes, we have fully mastered the production of sights of this model at home and on our element base. They are produced and installed on tanks - first of all on the T-90M, and secondly - on the T-72B3 and T-80BVM, but not all. Therefore, some of the "mobilization" machines get a simplified alternative.

Display of the thermal imaging sight 1PN96MT-02 in the T-80BVM tank
Display of the 1PN96MT-02 thermal imaging sight in the T-80BVM tank. Screenshot from the Channel One report

What is being installed today instead of Sosny-U, we will consider. Moreover, there is no secret in this: a number of large media outlets, including such TV channels as Perviy and others, showed everything perfectly in their stories.

First of all, Sosna-U is associated by the general public interested in armored vehicles with a thermal imaging channel. In general, it is understandable, since it was this sight that gave good night “vision” to most of our tanks. But in the mobilization version of the T-80BVM, the “teplak” also did not disappear.

Thermal imaging sight 1PN96MT-02 at the exhibition
Thermal imaging sight 1PN96MT-02 at the exhibition

Its function is now performed by the 1PN96MT-02 sight, which, in fact, was also planned for installation on old T-72 and T-80 tanks, but ultimately became the prerogative of the modernized T-62M. By itself, this sight is, in principle, self-sufficient in the sense that it can be used as the main one, albeit a very simple one.

He, unlike Sosny-U, does not have a daytime channel - only thermal imaging, but with a laser rangefinder. It is based on an uncooled matrix, which most directly affects the target detection range, which is approximately two to three kilometers. And this is significantly less than its predecessor. Also, 1PN96MT-02 does not have the ability to target guided tank missiles, although this circumstance still found a solution, but not without "crutches", of course.

At the same time, there is some reason to believe that the new simplified thermal imager will be used as an addition to the main sight, which we will discuss below. That is, in fact, as a second channel for firing and observing the battlefield at night and in poor visibility conditions.

Sight 1G46 in T-80BVM


We started with a thermal imaging sight, although it is not the main one now - after all, it was necessary to remember Sosna-U in this regard. However, it is far from being just a thermal imager, but quite an automatic fire control system. So these are far from all the changes that the T-80BVM of the new iteration has undergone.

If you look at the T-80BVM of the "old" releases, you can see that these machines were equipped with a very unusual combination of sights. And indeed, if the T-72B3 had an advanced and fresh Sosna-U side by side with the Soviet 72A1 optical sight standard for the T-40B, then in the T-80BVM it was already side by side with a double PDT TV sight, while a regular and no less Soviet optical 1G42 was simply removed from the tank.

Two neighbors on the T-80BVM: "Sosna-U" on the right and double sight on the left
Two neighbors on the T-80BVM: "Sosna-U" on the right and double sight on the left

According to exactly the same scheme, the T-90M is now being equipped - also a Sosna, and also an understudy.

By the way, this backup sight did not give gigantic and overwhelming characteristics: it was possible to shoot through it, in which case, it was possible, but the detection range was worse than through optics - up to 2 kilometers during the day and up to a kilometer at night. That's why he is an understudy, but with his own separate power supply, which allows him to work, even if the tank's on-board network is completely de-energized.

Now, as they say, returned to the roots. The rejection of the automatic system in the face of Sosna forced us to look for an alternative that could at least partially replace it. Well, of course, we found it.

Instead of an understudy on the T-80BVM of new releases, the 1G46 sight is installed, which was and is available on the T-80U tanks and various modifications of the T-90. However, the measure is understandable to some extent: the tank needs the ability to fire Russian-made Invar guided missiles, and it also needs some kind of automatic equipment to prepare the shot. Previously, Sosna-U was responsible for this, and now 1G46.

New T-80BVM with thermal imaging sight 1PN96MT-02 and 1G46
New T-80BVM with thermal imaging sight 1PN96MT-02 and 1G46

The sight itself, of course, is exclusively optical with a laser rangefinder and a laser guidance channel for the missile. It is possible to fully fire with it only during the day and in more or less tolerable visibility conditions, although the craftsmen beat mercilessly even at dusk.

In addition to the 1G46 sight itself, the kit also includes a ballistic computer and a set of firing conditions sensors that monitor such parameters as own tank speed, target range and angular velocity, gun trunnion tilt angle, ambient air temperature, atmospheric pressure and wind speed, and also the temperature of propellant charges. Taking into account all these data, the necessary corrections for shooting are automatically issued.

Not to say that it’s a completely modern contraption, but what is available, then they put it.

On the left is the display and control panel of the thermal imaging sight, on the right is the 1G46 optical sight. Stickers in Russian are visible, which, perhaps, cover the inscriptions in a foreign language.
On the left is the display and control panel of the thermal imaging sight, on the right is the 1G46 optical sight. Stickers in Russian are visible, which may cover the inscriptions in a foreign language

It will be interesting to note here that, apparently, 1G46 began to be used, including from the backlog for export T-90S tanks. This is indirectly evidenced by a photograph in which all the inscriptions (presumably in a foreign language) are pasted over with stickers with a translation into Russian. To some extent, the right decision - everything that is in stock should be used.

Conclusions


Feelings here are actually twofold.

On the one hand, the refusal to install Sosny-U on tanks is, in general, logical. Under the conditions of the production of tanks forced to the limit, it is difficult to expect otherwise. For example, according to some information, the same UralVagonZavod at peak capacity produces up to several repaired and modified cars per day - it’s already clear that everyone will not get an expensive and rather complex component.

On the other hand, Sosna-U is not just a sight. In fact, this is a multi-channel fire control system, and quite modern by our standards. There is a thermal imager, and a daytime optical channel, and missile control, and such necessary tools as a ballistic computer with a bunch of sensors, automatic target tracking, and so on. Of course, there are big problems with the ergonomics of the installation, but I don’t want to lose it in any case.

The 1G46 sight and the 1PN96MT-02 thermal imaging sight are, of course, an ersatz, and there is no other soft epithet to pick up here. It remains to be hoped that the balance between the produced tanks and the produced Sosna-U will still be restored.
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  1. +43
    24 February 2023 03: 01
    Normally, we have been preparing for 8 years, now we are confidently moving towards Total war ...
    1. +64
      24 February 2023 03: 20
      Shoigu doesn't hiccup there? Tank biathlon and Arma 2015,2016,2017,2018 and so on is our everything?
      1. +24
        24 February 2023 07: 46
        yes, everything is fine with him))) don’t worry about the minister Gerasimov was put in charge of a special operation, and the minister of affairs has more important things
      2. +40
        24 February 2023 11: 21
        Shoigu doesn't hiccup there?
        Yes, not only to him. We decided to save not only on tank sights, but also on communications equipment, drones and many other modern weapons for our army, as we saw with the beginning of our own. Now again we are gathering all the people, like children in operations. multi-year military budgets are a rhetorical question.
        1. +19
          24 February 2023 20: 42
          But we have the Main Temple of the Armed Forces, and there are all sorts of army games))
          1. -35
            25 February 2023 11: 05
            Better not touch the temple. Yours is not a penny there.
            If you yourself are not a believer, then do not touch the believers.
            Do not judge others by yourselves so that you will not be judged.
            Yes, and I would like to know - and in addition to bribes to doctors in the form of sweets and alcohol, did you support someone else, voluntarily, with your own funds?
            1. +7
              25 February 2023 15: 00
              Quote: svoroponov
              Do not judge others by yourselves so that you will not be judged.

              Good words that don't fit well with others.
              Quote: svoroponov
              Better not touch the temple. Yours is not a penny there.

              This is not very "Christian", and the statement, - "in addition to bribes to doctors in the form of sweets and alcohol, they supported someone else, voluntarily, with their own funds". And, where did you get the idea that people can only give money for bribes?
              In general, it would not be worth paying attention to this construction, if there, everything is really as it was stated. But...
              The cost of building the main temple of the Ministry of Defense doubled the amount of donations. ... Six billion rubles have already been spent on the grandiose project of Sergei Shoigu - a temple in the Patriot park near Moscow. It is not clear how this is connected with statements that the church is being built exclusively on donations, and with official data that three billion rubles were collected. ... The construction is personally supervised by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, and, as has been repeatedly stated, it is carried out exclusively on donations. ... An analysis of the public procurement website showed that about 6 billion rubles have already been spent on the main military church.

              Unfortunately, the same general Kuropatkin was of little help on the hills of Manchuria. In addition to the priests, it is necessary to have the talent of a commander for the general's shoulder straps, an equipped army, then you can think about temples.
            2. +8
              25 February 2023 17: 32
              Quote: svoroponov
              Better not touch the temple. Yours is not a penny there.

              In fact, donations (of which less than half in its value, not counting the maintenance) were collected / flogged from officers and other military personnel on a voluntary-compulsory basis.
              Even with the Tatars. And other Muslims.
              But somehow the prayers of the "pleaser" Shoigi do not help our troops in the NVO much. And they do not add intelligence and conscience to his (Shoigi) generals.
            3. +4
              26 February 2023 16: 27
              Better not touch the temple. Yours is not a penny there.
              + + + + +
              If I went to the chapel at the cemetery, bought candles for the repose of my parents and relatives for 300 rubles, and candles are 5 times better in the store and cost 50 rubles, but they cannot
              Does this count as a donation?
              And yes, I don't believe it. But the greed of the church is amazing.
            4. +2
              27 February 2023 03: 23
              This is where they are wrong, if you watch a movie from the Bad Signal channel, called the Temple for a Billion, it will become clear that most of the temples were built for the "penny" of the population, well, in the realities of capitalist arrangement, of course, it is more profitable to have as many people as possible think less critically...
            5. +2
              27 February 2023 22: 59
              The Middle Ages ended already 300 years ago, and this one is all about temples, ugh ...
        2. +7
          24 February 2023 23: 23
          Quote: not the one
          Now again we are gathering all the people, like children at an operation.

          So collecting money for children for operations is also a shame in general, because the Russian Federation is not some kind of Bangladesh.
          1. +4
            25 February 2023 05: 15
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            The Russian Federation is not some kind of Bangladesh

            Is it Honduras?
            1. aba
              0
              April 23 2023 21: 15
              Bomber on his channel says that Laos.
          2. -1
            25 February 2023 17: 37
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Quote: not the one
            Now again we are gathering all the people, like children at an operation.

            So collecting money for children for operations is also a shame in general, because the Russian Federation is not some kind of Bangladesh.

            Does Israel or Germany mean Bangladesh? For there I know for sure from the people living there they collect money in the same way.
            1. -1
              25 February 2023 22: 02
              Somehow you were downvoted, someone. Apparently the truth is not interesting to everyone, the main thing is to bring your "infallible" opinion. And in fact, everything is as you said. And not only in these countries. Israeli "advertising" very often leaks to me on YouTube, and on other sites. Even though I don't live there. Why is it intended for me - the mind is incomprehensible
            2. -1
              2 March 2023 21: 22
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              For there I know for sure from the people living there they collect money in the same way.

              Throughout Western Europe, Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, neither children nor adults collect money for operations, especially in Germany. In Germany, under the insurance of grandmas, 90-year-old titanium basins are inserted, children's teeth, glasses are free of charge and, of course, all the operations that need to be done. Compulsory insurance throughout Europe. Your friends have deceived you greatly.
      3. +14
        24 February 2023 11: 29
        Shoigu is a carpenter, what is your army to him? It only distracts from woodwork.
        1. +2
          25 February 2023 17: 36
          Quote: WindSurfer
          Shoigu is a carpenter, what is your army to him? It only distracts from woodwork.

          So can he be transferred to the ministers of wooden needlework? And there will be no harm other than good from this.
          But ... there is no one. Simply - no one.
          1. 0
            27 February 2023 02: 37
            Carpenter? Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers? Apparently Pinocchio's genes are crawling through.
      4. -7
        24 February 2023 17: 21
        Pine goes to those tanks that are more modern and which will be used to eliminate various Western tanks. With simpler sights, they are used where there is no enemy tank component or it is very low and the tanks are of the same type as ours.
        In addition, reconnaissance UAVs with thermal imagers are quite helpful for correction, and our DRGs have thermal imagers. During the day, a simpler sight is quite enough to break a opornik or support infantry in a settlement. At night, in any case, offensive operations subside. There are other means to observe the enemy.
        In addition, such equipment can be sent to non-dangerous areas or to support the second line of defense as anti-tank weapons.
        Well, as my brother says - in order to criticize something, you need to fight something on it. And only after that you can judge what and how. If you didn’t fight, then there’s nothing to criticize. This is for the author of the article.
        1. +19
          24 February 2023 18: 48
          Did the author himself look at this same 1G46? Not good, they say. This is a great day sight with a perfectly stabilized line of sight, variable magnification and a laser rangefinder.
          The verified 2A46 with him is a tracked sniper rifle. At a distance of 1500 m, I managed to put three o / f projectiles into a circle with a diameter of 1 m.
          I can’t personally say anything about the night thermal imager, I didn’t stick to the eyepiece. request
          But if he has an aiming range of 2-3 km, then this is enough in Ukrainian
          theater of operations, since due to heights, buildings, forest plantations, as a rule, it is simply not visible further
          1. +5
            24 February 2023 20: 25
            Did the author himself look at this same 1G46? Not good, they say.

            Did the author say at least in one of the sentences that 1G46 is not good?
            1. -8
              25 February 2023 11: 12
              You see, if you criticize, then you need to know why, to have serious facts and arguments. But if the article is not criticism, then why is the article? Get money?
              1. +2
                25 February 2023 16: 29
                The article contains facts! The Sosna-U sight was replaced with the 1G46 sight, which is inferior to the Sosna-U sight.
                1. -2
                  25 February 2023 17: 40
                  Quote: Sergei N 58912062
                  The article contains facts! The Sosna-U sight was replaced with the 1G46 sight, which is inferior to the Sosna-U sight.

                  One and the same information can be submitted under different "sauces" so you feel a hundred easier from this information? But no ... From this information, most of the chat began another hysteria. It turns out for the sake of this information and they gave it to the people to piss off.
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                  2. 0
                    27 February 2023 21: 58
                    It turns out that you have nothing to do with the conclusion about what the article was written for.
                2. 0
                  27 February 2023 15: 59
                  That's just not explained in what exactly it is inferior, in addition to the range at night?
          2. +1
            25 February 2023 17: 07
            It will not be enough to fight ATGMs and Leopards.
          3. 0
            2 March 2023 11: 24
            ... well, finally, on the topic, otherwise if only there was a reason to gossip - like damn women ...
        2. 0
          25 February 2023 22: 08
          All this is true, everything is correct, but there is one problem - the "Ukrainians" forget to tell in which direction, what type of foreign equipment they use. Just don't tell me about reconnaissance, foreign equipment is practically not destroyed along the way. It has to be hammered out on the line of contact.
      5. 0
        24 February 2023 21: 09
        Quote: vkfriendly
        Shoigu doesn't hiccup there? Tank biathlon and Arma 2015,2016,2017,2018 and so on is our everything?

        why should he hiccup, he still has a temple in the asset
        1. -8
          25 February 2023 11: 19
          Once again - do not touch the Temple, you did not build it and your money is not there. Don't believe in anything, don't believe in anything. Only here, for some reason, on the front line, both believers and non-believers turn to God (even to themselves).
          Moreover, in this temple it is not God who is more often remembered, but our soldiers who died for Russia of all periods are commemorated. Yes, and moral support is received by all those who visited this Temple. I recommend you go there and you will understand why.
          1. -1
            7 May 2023 13: 13
            You don’t have to go to this temple - it’s not Orthodox, but a burp of an incomprehensible Shoiguv faith
      6. +5
        24 February 2023 21: 49
        Plywood does not care about everything, as he sat and will continue to sit with his whole gang.
        And REAL OFFICERS, such as Teplinsky, are resigning!
        Under Iosif Vissarionovich, he and all this Caudle from the General Staff would have been put against the wall long ago.
        1. -10
          25 February 2023 11: 24
          Under Joseph Vissarionovich, you would have been on the bunk for a long time or in the army at the forefront.
          Real officers go to the end and, if necessary, fight even as privates or volunteers .. Their experience even in the ranks of privates helps. What about resignation? Why, what position did he want, but he was refused? So this is not an officer, but another official from the army.
          1. +2
            25 February 2023 18: 29
            Teplinskiy careerist?
            A BATTLE OFFICER who started fighting back in the second Chechen war, now the commander of the Airborne Forces, who replaced the asshole Serdyukov?
            The person, thanks to whom the situation in the southern direction of the NMD was stabilized and on whom the entire landing force prayed?
            Resigned due to unwillingness to fulfill Gerasimov's moronic Wishlist?
            Well, well.
        2. +1
          25 February 2023 17: 42
          Quote: Sergey Tishkov
          Plywood does not care about everything, as he sat and will continue to sit with his whole gang.
          And REAL OFFICERS, such as Teplinsky, are resigning!
          Under Iosif Vissarionovich, he and all this Caudle from the General Staff would have been put against the wall long ago.

          What are you? Shaposhnikov, Voroshilov, Mekhlis... which of them were shot?
          1. +4
            25 February 2023 18: 14
            Pavlov, Klimovskikh, Korobkov.
            And Shaposhnikov must bow at his feet for preparing the Red Army for war.
            In the most difficult months of the war, Stalin again appointed him chief of the General Staff of the Red Army.
            And the counteroffensive near Moscow was being prepared with his active participation.
            Read the memoirs of Zhukov or Rokossovsky.
    2. +9
      24 February 2023 07: 43
      Dear Gvardeetz77 (Anatoly). I share your irony: "Normally, we have been preparing for 8 years ...". So prepared, so prepared that it becomes sad. There is some information that is puzzling. The question arises: is this stupidity or sabotage? Whatever the answer, those responsible must be punished.

      The head of the Russian government, Mikhail Mishustin, and the chief military prosecutor, Valery Petrov, were approached with a proposal to stop the bankruptcy of a number of enterprises in the military-industrial complex, "given the current situation during the special military operation, the existing shortage of military equipment." The author of the initiative, the leader of the SRZP, State Duma deputy Sergei Mironov, also proposed to audit the state of organizations and assess the possibility of continuing their work. IA REGNUM took the liberty of performing a small audit of the enterprises listed by the author of the appeal. As a result, it turned out that ten of the 15 named legal entities were declared bankrupt back in 2018-2019. Now bankruptcy proceedings are underway there, which means that the sale of property in order to pay off debts. And almost all of these enterprises had problems not in 2022, but six or even more years ago, that is, it was necessary to intervene in the situation “yesterday”. Details - in the material IA REGNUM.
      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/economy/3717640.html
      1. +14
        24 February 2023 10: 04
        Quote: AA17
        The question arises: is this stupidity or sabotage?

        here is a double-edged sword, dear Alexander. A lot of people are now trying to cling to the special operation and speculate on it. That is, maybe you are absolutely right, and we cut to the quick. Or maybe there have been ruins for a long time, unable to release anything, and the owners are trying to stir up something in their own interests
        1. +9
          24 February 2023 12: 32
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Or maybe there have long been ruins, unable to release anything

          Well, you also need to manage to bring it to ruins. I’ll tell you a secret now, many enterprises of Roscosmos have been brought to the handle. This is both the state’s policy in terms of cost optimization, and personnel policy in terms of management.
        2. +1
          24 February 2023 21: 01
          Or maybe there have long been ruins, unable to release anything

          Why, our electronics industry has been there since the late 90s, no one makes a secret of this. And without this, what modern fire vision or BLUA systems can we talk about?
      2. +2
        24 February 2023 22: 59
        Overnight, a bankrupt can become profitable. Give him a good military order...
      3. -6
        25 February 2023 11: 31
        How interesting! He wanted an audit, and even a deputy. Well, why, you can immediately show Western intelligence what we have and how. What we have, what we build, where and what we repair, the rest of the ammunition, and so on. This, not a smart deputy, intrudes into the area of ​​​​secret information of the Armed Forces for any country and wants to make it public? Oh yes deputy.
    3. +16
      24 February 2023 11: 43
      The question arises - did you prepare at all?
      Or they prepared as before the Second World War - "we will beat the enemy on his territory with little blood."
      Once again, it turned out to be fraud and hatred.
      In the next army, it turned out to be not ready for war, as in 1939, 1941, for the Afghan war, for the 1st Chechen ...
      Or they were preparing for some other war - for the entrance with almost parade columns, flowers, bread and salt and the mass surrender of the APU-shnikov ... But everything went wrong again ...
      1. +5
        24 February 2023 12: 05
        Quote: AG-76
        Or they prepared as before the Second World War - "we will beat the enemy on his territory with little blood."

        I have to admit that you are fundamentally mistaken. The USSR was very poorly prepared militarily, but the efforts it made before the war were unprecedented. For better or for worse, but now there is no question of this.
      2. +7
        24 February 2023 12: 32
        [quote Or they prepared as before the Second World War - "we will beat the enemy on his territory with little blood."] [/ quote]

        In general, what the government broadcasts for the population and what the government actually does are often two big differences. For the population, this is just propaganda, which is designed to raise morale. The fact that I quoted above is just from that opera. So, you should always keep in mind that everyone is trying to show himself, as well as mislead the enemy. As for the production of military equipment, you can’t jump above your head. If something is missing, then the same sight can no longer be assembled.
      3. +6
        25 February 2023 00: 41
        Specifically, they didn’t prepare for the NWO, of course, this can be seen with the naked eye. At the last moment, they learned, as always with Putin, a knight's move. It seems to me that a year before the start of the NWO, they just started preparing. Well, how it is being prepared, the visor was put on the tanks from the corners and that's it. More was not enough.
      4. -2
        25 February 2023 17: 45
        Quote: AG-76
        The question arises - did you prepare at all?
        Or they prepared as before the Second World War - "we will beat the enemy on his territory with little blood."
        Once again, it turned out to be fraud and hatred.
        In the next army, it turned out to be not ready for war, as in 1939, 1941, for the Afghan war, for the 1st Chechen ...
        Or they were preparing for some other war - for the entrance with almost parade columns, flowers, bread and salt and the mass surrender of the APU-shnikov ... But everything went wrong again ...

        And we are fighting on foreign territory and with little bloodshed, or do you think that wars are without casualties? Then it's better for you to play computer toys and not go into real life with your opinion.
  2. +19
    24 February 2023 03: 35
    I have a question where will we take so many tankers? Are they already preparing tanks at the training grounds?
    1. +18
      24 February 2023 03: 48
      Also from storage (stock).
      ............
    2. +10
      24 February 2023 08: 07
      Dear Mikhail Maslov (People). "... where will we get so many tankers?..." is a good question. We should ask Serdyukov, and the Supreme Commander too. Something in the last Message was not heard about the restoration of previously closed military schools.
      "... The Chelyabinsk Higher Tank Command School operated until mid-2006. In 2007 it was disbanded, and the cadets were transferred to Kazan. In 2012, part of the facilities of the former tank school were sold at an auction. In 2016, the Ministry of Defense transferred the lands of the former military university to the Russian Development Fund housing construction. The main sale of land took place in the summer of 2018. ..."
      https://74.ru/text/gorod/2020/07/06/69347380/
      "... President Yeltsin closed 25 military schools, President Putin - 12, President Medvedev - 29 ...
      ...Правда, новые военные учебные заведения не создавал, насколько можно судить, ни дин из них.» " М.Делягин. https://kto-irkutsk.ru/2019/07/06/kto-i-kak-unichtozhal-voennye-uchebnye-zavedeniya-nashej-rodiny/#:~:text=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%20%D0%95%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%2025%20%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85,12%2C%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%20%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2%20%E2%80%93%2029.

      "...According to the most conservative estimates, it will take at least 10 years to restore the training system for tank officers at the previous academic level. The same amount of time is needed to restore scientific schools and nurture the teaching staff ..."
      https://topwar.ru/202900-pereizbytok-oficerskih-kadrov-kak-razrushali-vysshee-voennoe-obrazovanie-rossii.html
      1. +15
        24 February 2023 09: 22
        Supreme Commander

        We have only one Supreme Commander-in-Chief - this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. The rest - just occupy his chair, and have not yet proven that they are doing it by right. In general, they deserve to have their position written in capital letters.
        1. +3
          24 February 2023 09: 26
          Dear paul3390 (Paul). I agree with your statement.
          1. +1
            24 February 2023 11: 59
            drinks

            Nicholas II also actually held the same position - but for some reason no one calls him Supreme? Due to the obvious complete worthlessness. So nonetheless - they have not yet deserved such a title, not even close. They rather just look like our last king, it’s not for nothing that they fap like that on his time?
        2. +1
          24 February 2023 12: 34
          Quote: paul3390
          We have only one Supreme Commander-in-Chief - this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin

          Why not Kutuzov?
      2. +6
        24 February 2023 12: 34
        I must say that during the Great Patriotic War, tankers were trained not in a few years, but in half a year.
      3. +13
        24 February 2023 13: 00
        Again Serdyukov is to blame for everything? The army was reduced, and military educational institutions were reduced accordingly. This is a normal process. The tank fleet of the RF Armed Forces was quite adequate to the size of the ground forces. But in order for the tankers to be enough, it was necessary to take care of communications, reconnaissance, the aviation component, improving the instruments and protection of the tanks themselves, improving battle tactics, exercises and other factors that reduce their losses and allow them to inflict more damage on the enemy.
    3. +6
      24 February 2023 08: 11
      Moreover, in "simplified" tanks, the crews become disposable. And the tank itself is just a target capable of shooting towards the enemy, but having no real ability to hit him.
      1. -8
        24 February 2023 10: 17
        But how could they shoot without electronic computers during the Second World War and hit a couple of kilometers for sure ... How did these T-80 tanks, the best tanks of their time, get into the 80s?
        Yes, with a weak thermal tank, the tank is limited to work at night, on the other hand, battles rarely go on at night, even with those vehicles that can do it. In principle, taking into account the actual exhaustion of tanks from the enemy, tanks from anti-tank weapons have become what they should be - means for opening the enemy’s defenses ... And then, as it were, the attacker himself determines the place and time.
        1. +10
          24 February 2023 12: 37
          Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
          on the other hand, fights are rare at night

          Who told you this? On the contrary, several attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were revealed only thanks to thermal imagers. A thermal imager is now an indispensable thing and setting sights without it or with simplified performance characteristics is a crime. And you must answer for crimes
      2. +1
        25 December 2023 16: 52
        Today I am outraged by our media. Only the lazy don’t talk about tanks today. Nobody talks about the training of tankers, especially in fire. I happened to see with my own eyes a fire training session at one of the centers - shooting with a standard projectile from a T-90m. They shot until lunchtime, no one examined the targets, there is no return information. The result after examining the targets was two holes during the entire shooting. And what they show in the media is a circus...
    4. +1
      24 February 2023 15: 14
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      where will we get so many tankers?

      On mobilization. I think there are enough tankers in stock
    5. +4
      24 February 2023 15: 45
      I have a question where we will take so many tankers?

      I'm more interested in another question. "But how much is actually how much?".
      If cars with a simplified sight are really massive, if UVZ really, as the author reports, produces several cars a day, then the use of "mobilization" sights is perhaps justified.
    6. +1
      25 February 2023 11: 35
      Tankers are also fully prepared. For example, for 500 tanks, this is only 1500 people for the crews. Training of personnel - on what, how much and where, in general, is a state secret. Nobody will tell you.
  3. +11
    24 February 2023 04: 02
    Interestingly, this year there will be tank biathlons?
    1. +22
      24 February 2023 08: 04
      In the reality in which the rulers live, everything will be. And the Parade is not their victory, and tank biathlon, and exercises, and trade in advanced military technologies.
    2. +5
      24 February 2023 08: 07
      Preparations for the parade are going on even more intensively than in previous years - cadets have been being dried on the parade ground since the beginning of February.
      1. +1
        24 February 2023 22: 35
        Quote: UAZ 452
        - cadets have been dryuchat on the parade grounds since the beginning of February.

        In any case, the cadets need to be bashed ... And not only on the parade grounds.
    3. -1
      24 February 2023 10: 17
      Was there last year, why not this year?
    4. -1
      25 February 2023 11: 38
      Preparation for tank biathlon is the same exercises. Our guys who participated are now at the forefront and are fighting very effectively. There were even videos.
  4. +5
    24 February 2023 04: 03
    Without a stamp, they write in simple. The decision on these sights is correct, since there is no other alternative.
    Winemaking new tanks for the Russian army in 2011-2019 was zero, in 2020-2021 20 T-90 tanks each. In 2022, the data is already closed, of course there are more of them, but in general, these are tears.
    Well, theoretically, you can still buy tanks in industrialized countries such as China or North Korea. But the former will not sell, and our authorities themselves do not want to get involved with the latter. So there is no external source.
    So you need to take Soviet tanks from storage, but there is not enough Pine for everyone (especially after the imposition of sanctions), so you need to put what you have. Most T-80 BVs generally come in their original form, so there is no need to complain about the modernization.
    1. 0
      24 February 2023 04: 22
      But the first ones won't sell
      - ours will not buy weapons from China, everything is complicated in relations there ...
      1. -1
        24 February 2023 21: 03
        - ours will not buy weapons from China, everything is complicated in relations there ...

        You have to pay money there, but you can’t get rid of it with promises like the Republic of Belarus and Iran ... But you need to take money from your loved ones
        1. +4
          24 February 2023 22: 39
          Quote: spektr9
          You have to pay money there, but you can’t get off with promises like Belarus and Iran ...

          And who told you that they are paying with air to Belarus and Iran? With Belarus oil, gas, various equipment and with Iran, there is something mutually beneficial to pay off. The same Nuclear power plants, technologies, planes .. Or is it so, air .. Are you not from Ashdod? There are a lot of people living there..
    2. +4
      24 February 2023 04: 43
      There are not enough pines, the topic is not disclosed in the article, why? Who will answer for this? Each mistake (miscalculation) has a surname, name and patronymic. No respect for readers.
      1. 0
        25 February 2023 17: 50
        Quote: vladimmiroff
        There are not enough pines, the topic is not disclosed in the article, why? Who will answer for this? Each mistake (miscalculation) has a surname, name and patronymic. No respect for readers.

        So the article was not written before this ...
    3. +10
      24 February 2023 07: 19
      .no external source.
      So you need to take Soviet tanks from storage

      And what then, when all these obsolete tanks are destroyed by enemy equipment along with our tankers? Anyone thinking ahead?
      1. +1
        24 February 2023 14: 31
        Quote: Vladimir80
        And what then, when all these obsolete tanks are destroyed by enemy equipment along with our tankers? Anyone thinking ahead?

        Further, silence. I was hoping for a big offensive in February and it was really being prepared, but alas... there is nothing yet.
        And then a lot of Western weapons will be brought in and there will be one strategy left - to hope that it will be possible to repel the enemy’s May offensive and hope that the Ukrainians will be the first to end in a further positional war in the Donbass.
        That is, that they will end faster than we will run out of equipment ...
    4. 0
      24 February 2023 07: 52
      Previously, sights were taken in Belarus, why not take them now? China could also share sights.
    5. +11
      24 February 2023 08: 06
      On the extreme T-72B3, there are also no Pine-U and a wind sensor. Instead of pine, now there is 1PN96MT.


      We went from the conservation of the BTR-50.

      And this is just a year of war ...
      1. +5
        24 February 2023 20: 49
        Quote from cold wind
        We went from the conservation of the BTR-50.

        don't believe it right now
        It is reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to the data of the Strategic Communications Department of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        And this USK APU (StratKom ZSU / AFU StratCom / 82 601 subscribers) refers to the cart Zbroyni Forces of Ukraine / Armed Forces of Ukraine (Zbroyni Forces of Ukraine / Armed Forces of Ukraine
        272 subscribers "News of the Evil Forces of Ukraine") and further indistinctly.
        Why are they at the front. xs.
        how is kshu?
      2. +1
        25 February 2023 07: 17
        Mumps, in a year you even end up with the western one, and the Soviet one has already ended ..... Think about it ..
    6. -1
      24 February 2023 10: 38
      The production of new tanks for the Russian army in 2011-2019 was zero, in 2020-2021, 20 T-90 tanks each.

      I think this is incorrect information. Yes, there have been many export orders since 2005. But there were many orders for the RF Ministry of Defense. Especially in the last 10 years.
      Now all export orders have been stopped, only for the Russian army. Although many do not like it.
      1. +1
        24 February 2023 14: 35
        Quote: Oleg Ogorod
        I think this is incorrect information. Yes, there have been many export orders since 2005.

        Faithful. Orders from the MoD are the modernization of Soviet tanks and T-90A, which were produced in small numbers in 2004-2010.
        Quote: Oleg Ogorod
        Now all export orders have been stopped, only for the Russian army. Although many do not like it.

        It's true and it's good. Even from the export batch of T-90S tanks went to the front. But, alas, it is very little.
        Especially considering how we are waging a war from political aspects to purely military ones .. If you leave the enemy with such a number of serviceable tanks as they left during the "regrouping" in the Kharkov region, no tanks will be enough
        1. +2
          24 February 2023 23: 13
          And how much was left? Correct? Where to read?
          1. -3
            25 February 2023 07: 21
            Quote: stankow
            And how much was left? Correct? Where to read?

            In his fantasies, but it's not readable there
          2. 0
            25 February 2023 15: 41
            Quote: stankow
            And how much was left? Correct? Where to read?

            Don't have internet? Then how do you write? Or do you want to mock the Russian army again and savor it?
            Since you can not only "read" but also watch it everywhere. The Internet is littered with videos of abandoned equipment. Here is a part of the photo of abandoned tanks just from under Izyum.

            PS And Kharkiv is just an episode, albeit the brightest one. In total, Oryx, only with photo / video evidence, has 541 abandoned tanks. The Bandera people call it "lend-lease", and they claim that the main supplier of armored vehicles for them is the Russian army.
        2. +3
          25 February 2023 11: 53
          During the regrouping, they left unusable equipment, but equipment in repair workshops in Kupyansk, these are about 80 units of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, in varying degrees of readiness. And they lost one T-90, booted (lost a caterpillar) and without fuel and shells with a grenade in the turret from the crew. All.
    7. -2
      25 February 2023 11: 50
      Yes, what are you worried about Pine. Well, send the elements for thermal imagers to other thermal imagers for UAV cameras, they are still needed. They will increase the production of their own and make up for the Pine. Moreover, it was their own not of poor quality that was mastered, according to technical data, even better than the French ones. On the new technology, they are just used in sights. They'll make it up, don't worry. It's just that this war posed such questions to everyone that no one expected, this applies even to our opponents. It takes time to rebuild industry or find opposition.
  5. +17
    24 February 2023 04: 56
    Sosna is produced at the Peleng enterprise in Belarus. Our industry began to increase the pace of mobilization plans, and the military industry of Belarus? I think no. So they are now putting on tanks what is and is being produced in Russia. The 1G46 day sight, also known as PDPN (Sight-Range Finder, Observation Device), is the best day sight of the USSR and Russia at a distance of two kilometers, it made it possible to see the nail heads on the targets, so it’s great to see where even a bullet from a paired PKT hits. But he is diurnal.
    1. +2
      24 February 2023 09: 24
      And why is Pine produced only in Belarus? After all, this is kind of like a country allied to us, why wasn’t it possible to arrange production under a license also at home?
      1. +6
        24 February 2023 12: 47
        Quote: paul3390
        And why is Pine produced only in Belarus?

        They are still being produced at Schwab.
        Here you need to understand that matrices are the basis of sights, and they were imported and made under license:
        By 2015, Russia had two productions of matrices, licensed and its own, but it was impossible to stop there, it was necessary to develop the development of a signal video processor, and of course it was imported from ALTERA.
        But progress does not stand still, since 2012, the development of 3rd generation hybrid thermal imagers with HD resolution on a gallium arsenide (GaAs) substrate has been underway. For example, the Israeli Elbit Systems has developed a new generation sight for the Merkava-4 MBT based on the Flir module, the sight has a thermal resolution of 1280x1024 with parameters of 8-12 microns.
        Do you know who was able to master the mass production of a similar matrix by 2017 as that of the Israelis?
        These modules were developed by the Kazan JSC NPO GIPO, and the microprocessor Komdiv-64 (1890VM118) is responsible for image processing
        Bottom line: the emergence of a domestic megapixel matrix is ​​still far away, but the fact that we have mastered our own matrix, and even the latest generation, suggests that we are far behind in this regard, to reduce the 30-year gap in technology in just 7 years old, this is worthy of respect,
        1. +3
          24 February 2023 13: 28
          Quote: Pilat2009
          They are still being produced at Schwab.

          Released under the same name

          SH.13D09-SOSNA
          Scanning detector of surveillance equipment "Pine"
          1. +2
            24 February 2023 20: 54
            Quote: svp67
            Released under the same name

            Sight "Sodema" developed by the Vologda Optical and Mechanical Plant (VOMZ)

            Main technical characteristics of the sight Sodema
            Target identification range, not less than 5500 m
            Magnification x2,5 and x12
            Field of view 4° and 20°
            Thermal imager:
            Target recognition range of "tank" type, not less than 3000 m
            Wavelength, 8 - 12 µm
            Wide field of view 9° × 6,75°
            Narrow field of view 3° × 2,25°
            1,5° × 1,12° electronic zoom field of view
            Rangefinder:
            Measured range, from 200 to 9500 m
            Absolute range accuracy, 5 m
    2. 0
      25 February 2023 12: 00
      Sensors for thermal imagers at the modern level began to be produced precisely in Russia. In my opinion, the production of modern sights has been established with us. They did this without relying on such a slimy "friend" as Lukashenka. There was a note, but I didn’t remember where the issue was set up. In the first issue, 20 sights were released within a month. I read this somewhere in May 2022. They simply don’t advertise further.
      Yes, and more. After all, Pine-type sights are used not only on tanks, but, in a truncated version, on other equipment with modules for cannon firing of various calibers. Nothing, they will grow quickly, I think.
      Look like with a UAV. That was nothing at all, and now mass production and even several types.
  6. +2
    24 February 2023 05: 19
    Which of the sons of members of the Government and governors went to fight in the Donbass? Can the daughter of an oligarch serve as an orderly in the NWO? Tell me, who knows?!
    1. -6
      24 February 2023 05: 24
      What does this have to do with tank sights? Or just print.
      1. +11
        24 February 2023 10: 22
        And it has the most direct, you never feel sorry for other people's children, but for your own, you will break into a cake, but you will get everything.
      2. -16
        24 February 2023 12: 12
        This is another stuffing of the TsPOshniki to shake Our society. They don't know about scopes. They have sights like the machine guns of Ataman Gritsan from Wedding in Malinovka.
    2. -18
      24 February 2023 05: 50
      Which of the sons of members of the Government and governors went to fight in the Donbass?
      I'm embarrassed to ask, do you write directly from the trench, on the boot of a murdered friend? And at the expense of who from the powers that be went to the front, the Internet will help you .......
    3. -13
      24 February 2023 07: 14
      Milonov.
      Bearded.
      Next Yandex to help you
      1. +11
        24 February 2023 08: 18
        Milonov showed off for several days in armor, took numerous selfies, and then returned back. Good example. Are the others the same?
      2. +5
        24 February 2023 11: 48
        I hesitate to ask, Milonov and Borodai are the sons of which members of the government or governors? Or maybe they are the daughters of the oligarchs?
    4. Qas
      -8
      25 February 2023 02: 07
      That's really pulled up these mental vyser about children and stuff. Why is it here? And what will you do with this information? Sitting in the kitchen puffing out your cheeks while looking at yourself in the mirror?
    5. 0
      25 February 2023 12: 06
      Make a request to the search engine and you will find quite a few answers.
    6. -1
      25 February 2023 17: 54
      Information about the dead children of senior officials is widely available.
  7. +9
    24 February 2023 05: 48
    This decision made it possible to reduce the dimensions of optical heads equipped with armored shutters. Previously, there was one huge one with two channels, which was very sensitive to shelling from small arms, now in daytime conditions the thermal imaging head is covered with armored shutters. No need to put your eggs in one basket, we can say the reliability of the tank sight has doubled, especially at night it is impossible to shoot accurately at the thermal imaging head from conventional small arms. OJSC "Rostov Optical and Mechanical Plant" in the Yaroslavl region has been working to minimize optical heads for a long time, and I'm sure this decision was not made by force, but was made according to the results of the CBO. Earlier I wrote critical comments about the huge size of the head parts of the sights and the combination of the optical and thermal imaging channels in one head part. The author turned everything upside down. Reducing the target detection range with a thermal imager made it possible to significantly reduce the dimensions of the warheads and this is not an ersatz, as the author claims. Otherwise, they boasted about the technical characteristics of the sight, although there was no practical application of these characteristics.
    1. +4
      24 February 2023 13: 22
      In modern warfare, it is important who sees and shoots first! And not a reduction in size and a decrease in the detection range.
      1. -3
        24 February 2023 17: 32
        In modern warfare, it matters who is first will see and shoot! A nor reduction in size and reduction in detection range.


        Intelligence should see, and not the tank commander, especially the gunner. Under the current conditions, line of sight is limited to 800-1000 meters, forest belts are all around, not to mention the city limits of visibility. And with Sosna-U, with its "TV" with a diagonal of half a meter, it is dangerous to drive up to a strong point closer than a kilometer. Moreover, they combined an optical and thermal imaging channel in one head, passing it off as an achievement. When it is more reliable to have separate warheads for optics and a thermal imager, this is by the way done on Ukrainian tanks.
        1. 0
          25 February 2023 14: 01
          Intelligence should see, and not the tank commander, especially the gunner.
          Konnick don't talk nonsense! Or maybe you are proposing to attach a reconnaissance company to each tank?
          And with Sosna-U, with its "TV" with a diagonal of half a meter, it is dangerous to drive up to a strong point closer than a kilometer.
          1) Have you seen sights on other tanks?

          2) Why would a tank drive up to a strong point closer than a kilometer? A tank can destroy a stronghold from a much greater distance.
          Moreover, they combined an optical and thermal imaging channel in one head, passing it off as an achievement. When it is more reliable to have separate warheads for optics and a thermal imager, by the way it was done on Ukrainian tanks.
          The Ukrainian tank T 84 has a "half meter diagonal TV set", which combines a daylight and thermal imaging channel.

      2. +1
        24 February 2023 23: 30
        It is more important who gets there first.
        .................
        1. 0
          25 February 2023 14: 06
          Quote: stankow
          It is more important who gets there first.
          .................

          stankow to hit first, you must first see the enemy first, aim and shoot. And for this you need to have a modern sight.
      3. 0
        25 February 2023 12: 14
        So we have installations that detect equipment 15-20 km away (manpower at a slightly shorter distance) and control its movement. They have now begun to arrive at the front. It is important to establish the interaction of these installations with attached tanks. And our tanks can also be hit by ballistics. There, the Donetsk guys hit targets from tanks, including tanks at a distance of 10 km (smooth-bore gun and the corresponding ammunition in the form of a rocket). The main interaction for aiming and highlighting the target.
    2. +2
      24 February 2023 21: 09
      There used to be one huge one with two channels, which was very sensitive to small arms fire,

      Dear patriot, if your tank has already been fired upon from small arms, then it has a minute left to live, because then either an RPG will fly from the bushes, or an ATGM from a position not far from the sniper ...
      And the tanker won’t even see it with such miracle sights

      So all your bravado about big scopes is pure bliss.
      1. +1
        24 February 2023 21: 58
        Dear jingoistic patriot, if your tank has already been fired upon from small arms, then it has a minute left to live, because then either an RPG will fly from the bushes, or an ATGM from a position not far from

        Yeah, a tank should shoot at another tank 4 km away ... only it’s very difficult to hit, and even if it was seen 4 km away, then it won’t live long.
        Just Pine U is the only unique sight in the world that does not have armored shutters.
        Well, what about cheers-patriotism ... you will become a patriot here

        1. 0
          25 February 2023 15: 02
          Just Pine U is the only unique sight in the world that does not have armored shutters.
          Without armored curtains.
          Already with armored shutters.
  8. +1
    24 February 2023 07: 45
    They didn’t write that ours learned quite decent uncooled matrices of the latest generation not so long ago (640 by 480), so they went into business. The cooled ones have also learned, but they are very expensive and there is not enough for everyone, they only go to the T-90.
    1. +7
      24 February 2023 08: 20
      More than a tank? More than the lives of the crew?
      1. +10
        24 February 2023 10: 31
        You measure with money, but during the war it is measured by manufacturability (this is not a synonym for modernity, this means that the product is simply in production) and output volumes.
        That is, the Ural wagon plant can increase output even to dozens of products per day, but electronics production cannot be increased in this way. You know that it is always measured by the slowest ... That is, for peacetime volumes, the production rates were synchronized, but in the military, the production rate of "iron" can be increased many times, it is impossible to increase the production of electronics. This steel can be welded even on outdated equipment, even on the street. It doesn't work that way with electronics. We need clean rooms, we need modern equipment, we need specialists - technologists, and even if a person was engaged in the production of electronics, then he needs to take retraining courses in order to produce another product ...
      2. -2
        24 February 2023 10: 58
        Quote: UAZ 452
        More than a tank? More than the lives of the crew?

        Judging by the nickname, you ride an UAZ. Without ABS, ESC, airbags, belt tensioners, programmable crumple zones. Is the life of your fellow travelers, pedestrians and other drivers really less important to you than the cost of this piece of iron?
    2. +3
      24 February 2023 10: 46
      An uncooled matrix cannot be the latest generation. Most likely, it is something like Agave. PS Pine 720 on ... but in general a higher resolution. And there are even more high-performance scopes
  9. -15
    24 February 2023 07: 55
    It is necessary to put Grudinin, a candidate for the presidency, to resolve such issues and everything will get off the ground!
    1. -2
      24 February 2023 09: 13
      Exactly, where is he? I haven't seen or heard from him for a long time...
      1. -1
        24 February 2023 11: 33
        Quote: Vladimir80
        Exactly where is he

        I sell hand-grown strawberries (c).
    2. +1
      25 February 2023 18: 00
      Yes ... a strawberry planter who "forgot" about the account in Switzerland is the very thing ... wassat crying
  10. +3
    24 February 2023 08: 17
    I remember how in the 90s, dismantling tanks, at the same time they ruthlessly smashed the MSA. And there was a "Sheksna" with night channels and manholes. TsU.
    1. +3
      24 February 2023 10: 52
      Sheksna, this is a KUV for the T - 62. This is not at all what should be put on tanks today.
  11. +2
    24 February 2023 09: 14
    Does anyone even know how massively Invars are used?
    1. +4
      24 February 2023 10: 00
      Quote: LastPS
      Does anyone even know how massively Invars are used?

      Recently I watched a video on the Internet, where the tankers of the DPR (or LPR ... I don’t remember exactly!) They said that they began to receive TOURs and receive training in their use!
    2. +3
      24 February 2023 11: 31
      Quote: LastPS
      Does anyone even know how massively Invars are used?

      As far as I can see, they have not been seen even once in a year.
      1. -1
        24 February 2023 11: 56
        Quote: Negro
        Quote: LastPS
        Does anyone even know how massively Invars are used?

        As far as I can see, they have not been seen even once in a year.

        And I saw there were photographs from the other side with captured Invars after Kharkov
        1. +1
          24 February 2023 12: 52
          Quote: WindSurfer
          photos from the other side with captured invars after Kharkov

          After Kharkov - do you mean autumn, Raisins? In a warehouse or in a tank?

          Or are we talking about the early days? Then yes, they brought everything they are rich with. But all the wealth in March ended.
          1. +1
            24 February 2023 21: 18
            In the autumn, after the relocation, I don’t know other details. Here is a photo.
            1. -1
              24 February 2023 21: 48
              I meant "not seen in the ammunition load of vehicles."
              1. -1
                24 February 2023 22: 31
                Your appetite grows while eating :) To see this, you need to climb into each tank and rotate the carousel, since we don’t have such an opportunity, I suggest using the following logical chain - since this ammunition is in warehouses in the war zone that were there before they ordered directly, went through all the paperwork and brought it, which means they were needed by someone, and since someone needs them, then they are used.
                1. -3
                  24 February 2023 22: 39
                  Using Invar. Tin of course. The tank must guide the missile for ~20 seconds. It is easier to defend yourself, elementary smoke, even KAZ is not needed. Another reason for the lack of ATGMs in the BC of Western tanks. Against a modern adversary, this is a death sentence.
                  1. +2
                    24 February 2023 22: 54
                    OK, accepted, still come across in real life. Apparently he didn't follow well.

                    Another reason for the lack of ATGMs in the BC of Western tanks

                    The Soviet government has traditional problems with the SLA, shells and gunpowder. Plus, they switched to a smoothbore 20 years earlier, and this in itself is a minus for accuracy. So ATGM is the only way to shoot and hit something further than two kilometers. Tin is not tin, but there are no other options. Otherwise, Leopard 1 will shoot at a distance like Panther grandfathers.
                  2. 0
                    25 February 2023 11: 28
                    If we modify the warhead so that it is like NLAW into the roof from above on the span, then there will be no price for Invaram.
                2. +1
                  24 February 2023 23: 07
                  Quote: WindSurfer
                  you need to climb into each tank and rotate the carousel

                  They meant cars captured by the enemy. The enemy in this regard quite quickly lays out information.
  12. -3
    24 February 2023 09: 39
    Not a tanker and not even "WOW". And such semi-finished products are needed? The saturation of electronics is a necessity and not a wish. COUNTRY (homeland, state) people are the main thing - profit later.
  13. 0
    24 February 2023 09: 51
    The 1G46 sight and the 1PN96MT-02 thermal imaging sight are, of course, an ersatz, and there is no other soft epithet to pick up here. It remains to be hoped that the balance between the produced tanks and the produced Sosna-U will still be restored.
    "I blinded him from what was!" .....
  14. -6
    24 February 2023 09: 51
    But this is precisely the Soviet doctrine! As with the T-34 in 1943, when it was chosen to have an overwhelming superiority in tanks at the front, albeit not the most advanced (T-44). And it has stood the test of time.

    Roll out tanks that can be made quickly and in sufficient quantities, instead of the "wunderwaffe" with vulnerabilities in the form of imported components.
    1. +2
      24 February 2023 12: 02
      So in Soviet tanks there were no imported components, especially in the T-34 and T-44, so maybe it makes sense to do the same? And then you can get to the point that our ICBMs will also have half of imported components, and then what?
    2. 0
      24 February 2023 13: 00
      Quote: Proctologist
      it was chosen to have an overwhelming superiority in tanks at the front, albeit not the most advanced (T-44). And it has stood the test of time.

      And how many tankers died due to the replacement of quality with quantity? You can calculate for yourself: the USSR produced 1941 thousand tanks of various modifications from 1945-105, another 10 thousand were received under Lend Lease. Lost 83 thousand tanks.
      Germany produced 1941 tanks since 47000, lost 28735
      1. +1
        24 February 2023 15: 03
        47000-28735=18265 Very interesting mathematics.) Doesn't it seem strange to you that Germany, having lost "only" 4 tanks in 28735 years, unconditionally capitulated having 18265 of them "in service".
        1. +3
          24 February 2023 15: 21
          Quote from: Derbes19
          in 4 years, having lost "only" 28735 tanks, it unconditionally capitulated having 18265 of them "in service".

          Germany capitulated not because the tanks ran out, but because the tankers and fuel ran out.
          And so the royal tiger was never hit in the forehead on the battlefield.
          Now the same situation is developing, our guys on the T-80 will need to confront the A7 leopards, which have almost 1.000 resistance against the sub-caliber.
          1. +2
            24 February 2023 17: 02
            With 18265 tanks it was possible to defend, for example, Romanian oil fields. At the expense of the great and terrible royal tiger ... The "smart" Germans of what beast they designed, releasing less than 500 pieces. And the "stupid" Russians and Americans riveted T-34s and Shermans in tens of thousands. And how did the German infantrymen feel when, instead of a rare royal tiger, there was a small T-34 next to them? At the expense of leopards of different stripes, for good, our tankers should not resist them at all. Other means must be used to destroy armored vehicles. And yes. How could the tankers run out but not the tanks?
          2. +2
            25 February 2023 05: 06
            And who then hit the Su-152? Including on the forehead
            1. -2
              25 February 2023 06: 11
              Quote: aiden
              And who then hit the Su-152?

              Mostly firing points and fortifications. KT SU-152 does not take on the forehead. ISU-152 also does not take from any distance. In case of luck, there may be kinetic damage - violation of welds, displacement of the tower from the shoulder strap, etc.
        2. 0
          26 February 2023 17: 11
          Quote from: Derbes19
          Doesn't it seem strange to you that Germany, having lost "only" 4 tanks in 28735 years, unconditionally capitulated having 18265 of them "in service".

          No, it doesn’t. At the time of the capitulation, 200 thousand groups were sitting in Norway alone, with tanks, guns and other belongings. In addition, some of the tanks were being repaired, and some surrendered to the Americans in full force. You won’t say that it somehow strangely surrendered the entire army of Germany in the amount of several million people? The same applies to the First World War. Germany capitulated, occupying a decent part of the Russian Empire, France, Belgium, having a combat-ready fleet
    3. -2
      24 February 2023 21: 00
      I will be glad to constructive criticism instead of stupid "cons". My thesis:
      during the Second World War, the USSR deliberately chose quantity (T-34) at the expense of quality (T-44). An important detail: the quantity here and now, the release from working conveyors, instead of the quality "tomorrow, maybe" - it was necessary to establish the production of a new tank INSTEAD of the workhorse T-34, stopping their production.

      Yes, at first glance it seems that the price of this choice is the death of tankers, but is it really so? The experience of Japanese WWII kamikazes (there was an article on VO) shows that in fact, in the end, there were fewer victims than in classic bomber attacks on American ships for the sake of the same result. Just like today - win faster, albeit at the cost of casualties that might not have been in more modern tanks, or to fight longer while waiting for supplies from the wunderwaffe, incurring losses - which is definitely better?
      1. +1
        24 February 2023 21: 26
        It's better to win a lightning war. When the enemy loses control of the troops due to shock and awe, it is dismembered and destroyed as an organized army in a few weeks.

        Everything that happens now and then - from hopelessness. Industry cannot produce modern technology. We have suffered monstrous losses in technology. Therefore, they do what they can and how they can. Without pine, T-72/80/90 sinks to the level of the late 70s. Blind whipping boys.
        1. -2
          24 February 2023 23: 42
          And who will beat them? At night ? Modern thermal imagers? T-64, Tvardi?
          1. +1
            25 February 2023 00: 05
            Tvardy - yes. Depending on the configuration, of course, the SKO-1M "Drava" ± "Sosna-U" SLA, respectively, is already superior to the mobilization T-72/80, the "Savan-15T" is already head and shoulders above Sosna, respectively, these mobilization tanks will be destroyed like Iraqi tanks by American.
            Leopard 2A4 and above, Challenger 2 - they have not only an excellent FCS but also an accurate gun with a powerful sub-caliber, a meeting with them will be disastrous not only for mobilization, but also for full-fledged T-72B3 / 80BVM / 90A
      2. +3
        24 February 2023 21: 59
        Quote: Proctologist
        during the Second World War, the USSR deliberately chose quantity (T-34) at the expense of quality (T-44).

        During the Second World War, the USSR chose what it could produce and operate. The military has already taken a sip of grief with the Kharkov wunderwaffles. Only in 44, after 5 years of production, did the T-34 become a normal tank.

        T-44 was fully concerned. The well-made T-44 was called the T-54 of the 1949 model. So the military quite rightly prevented Comrade Morozov from engaging in his plotting in wartime.
        Quote: Proctologist
        it was necessary to establish the production of a new tank INSTEAD of the workhorse T-34, stopping their production.

        Theoretically, the USSR could establish the production of the T-44 in relatively small batches, let's say in Sormovo. But this was not necessary for the military.
        Quote: Proctologist
        Yes, at first glance it seems that the price of this choice is the death of tankers, but is it really so?

        Not a problem at all. It was the Americans who were offended that their homeland did not give them a good tank for the 44th year, and Soviet tankers were not supposed to have good equipment.
        Quote: Proctologist
        It is the same today - to win faster, albeit at the cost of casualties that could not be in more modern tanks, or to fight longer while waiting for supplies from the wunderwaffe, incurring losses - which is definitely better?

        You see, victory is not on the agenda. A ceasefire on the LBS is on the agenda, but the enemy no longer agrees to this. The enemy believes that he is getting stronger every day, and the RF Armed Forces are getting weaker every day. As far as the enemy is right, it will be seen by the fall.
  15. +2
    24 February 2023 10: 08
    Unfortunately, the already familiar economy ... Release an expensive tank with blind optics.
    1. +7
      24 February 2023 10: 58
      We have practically no electronics industry. She was one of the first to be destroyed in the nineties.
      The defense industry is now suffering from a shortage of Soviet-designed electronic components, and creating something new now is generally beyond the bounds of possibility.
      The military industry worked for parades and ostentatious exercises on TV. This does not require a large output, does not need a lot of production capacity, does not need a lot of qualified personnel. Yes, and did not need modern military equipment. Only theatrical props.
      The concept of mobilization capacity and the mobilization reserve of materials and components was destroyed.
      Therefore, you can stomp your feet as much as you like, issue loud orders, but enterprises in the conditions of the economic model built by the country's authorities could not afford to keep mobilization capacities and materials.
      And most importantly now ask with no one. And they don't ask. Surprising huh?
      The country is the same heavy train, it cannot speed up or slow down sharply, it cannot turn sharply, even if the rails are quickly shifted at a steep angle. In this case, a catastrophe will simply happen. The force of inertia.
      1. +3
        24 February 2023 12: 00
        enterprises in the conditions of the economic model built by the authorities of the country could not afford to keep mobilization capacities and materials.

        When I worked at the plant, I saw "mobilization capacities". This is when 2/3 of the premises of the site is idle. The site is engaged in the release of a certain node, while only 1/3 of the useful area of ​​​​the site is involved. The rest is tables and machines on them under covers. Yes. machines are outdated compared to those on which they work, but products can also be produced on them. In short, in normal life, "mobilization capacities" are ballast. A normal capitalist will hand over old machines for scrap, and in this place he will do something good for himself.
        1. +3
          24 February 2023 13: 02
          Quote: Not the fighter
          enterprises in the conditions of the economic model built by the authorities of the country could not afford to keep mobilization capacities and materials.

          When I worked at the plant, I saw "mobilization capacities". This is when 2/3 of the premises of the site is idle. The site is engaged in the release of a certain node, while only 1/3 of the useful area of ​​​​the site is involved. The rest is tables and machines on them under covers. Yes. machines are outdated compared to those on which they work, but products can also be produced on them. In short, in normal life, "mobilization capacities" are ballast. A normal capitalist will hand over old machines for scrap, and in this place he will do something good for himself.

          Previously, in the mobile reserve, the tool was also carbide.
      2. -2
        25 February 2023 01: 14
        In fact, the 90s had nothing to do with it, by the end of the 90s, the beginning of the 2000s, there was the largest growth in engineering and industry, after difficult years for the Soviet industry, many enterprises were able to reorganize into modern markets, without injections of state money. Let me also remind you of the many design bureaus that disappeared in the 2000s due to eating Chemezoy, Chelyabinsk, Omsk, St. Petersburg. They hoped to buy everything they needed for petrodollars, which even worked until 2014.
  16. -2
    24 February 2023 10: 49
    I read the technical conditions of the GABTU for the development of armored vehicles. The TU lists the basic curvature of the terrain of the silhouette visibility of the tank 800 m, from Magadan to Lisbon And rightly so. Considering the angle of the negative inclination and elevation of the turret gun, it turns out that if one tank is placed on a hill for control and firing, the inclination of the gun will not allow firing further than 2 km, while the width of the dead zone will allow the tank below to maneuver and shoot at the tank on top more efficiently.
    These are the basics of artillery action. Then, a tank alone without infantry does not fight.
    1. +2
      24 February 2023 11: 21
      Quote: Visher
      Considering the angle of the negative inclination and elevation of the turret gun, it turns out that if one tank is placed on a hill for control and firing, the inclination of the gun will not allow firing further than 2 km, while the width of the dead zone will allow the tank below to maneuver and shoot at the tank on top more efficiently.

      Maybe you wanted to say - the tilt of the gun will not allow the tank to shoot CLOSER than 2 km, in connection with which a dead zone with a radius of 2 km will appear?
      1. 0
        25 February 2023 00: 08
        It also depends on the height of the bump on which you climbed. And what's the deal with him hanging around? wink
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  18. -3
    24 February 2023 11: 42
    Quote: not the one
    Shoigu doesn't hiccup there?
    Yes, not only to him. We decided to save not only on tank sights, but also on communications equipment, drones and many other modern weapons for our army, as we saw with the beginning of our own. Now again we are gathering all the people, like children in operations. multi-year military budgets are a rhetorical question.

    Well this thing is...
    Look at Ukraine now "the whole civilized world" is intensively completing. And what? Regular collections from the population for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and terbats are in full swing.
    1. 0
      24 February 2023 12: 12
      Quote: Tarasios
      Regular collections from the population for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and terbats are in full swing.

      Logistics has never been a strong feature of the Soviet army. Therefore, yes, volunteers have to create a backup supply system for everything that the sovereign Defense Ministry does not get their hands on. I will say more, the authorities of Ukraine, represented primarily by customs, interfere with this as best they can - the whining "state-owned muzzles do not allow starting this and that" is the same on both sides of the LBS. Brotherly peoples.

      True, they got to the Ukrainian customs just recently, heads flew. How much this will help deliveries is not yet clear.
      1. 0
        25 February 2023 15: 44
        Quote: Negro
        True, they got to the Ukrainian customs only recently

        I’m wondering when they will get to the Russian customs. Our company has collected 100 thousand for UAVs. Another 10 thousand is the customs fee
  19. 0
    24 February 2023 12: 14
    The article states that 1PN-96MT-2 does not have a missile control channel. On mob. version T-80BVM this function is performed by 1G46. Everything is clear here. It is not clear how the missile control channel on the mob is implemented. version T-72B3. There is also a 1PN-96MT-2 along with 1A40 and a missile control channel there. Here is a report from the 1st Slavic Brigade where the tanker speaks directly about this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDwOr5dMcQ
    But the 1A40 never had a missile control channel. Whereas? It turns out that it was added to 1A40?
  20. 0
    24 February 2023 12: 14
    Against the general background of despondency from the word "ersatz" it is pleasant to hear that "craftsmen beat mercilessly even at dusk." The Russian World is not depleted of talents. This is how Comrade Sukhov answered the spirit, who asked: should I finish you right away, you red-bellied bastard, or will you still suffer? Sukhov chose to suffer more.
    As for the training of officers, the organization of defense production, the suppression of anti-state activities and sabotage, our recent ancestors had very good developments in these areas. The trouble is that in a bourgeois organized society, where the people are called "genetic scum", and unprincipled traders, all sorts of sub-oligarchs, rodents and blood-suckers of a lower rank, have declared themselves "elite", the problem of state security cannot be solved in principle. You can manipulate "agreements", money flows from pocket to pocket, use Jesuit developments in the field of indoctrination of free ears and weak minds. But the Great Fatherland, alas, is not yet visible ...
    So with the fascist international, PEOPLE will have to whip, including improvised means.
  21. 0
    24 February 2023 12: 30
    I don’t understand why it was impossible to make these sights for the future and store them in the state reserve? Why do we have everything tied to the production and modernization of tanks.
    1. +3
      24 February 2023 17: 50
      Because the product is expensive, and even obsolete, production capacity is limited.
      Why do we have everything tied to the production and modernization of tanks.

      Because funding is allocated for specific tasks, like the modernization of tanks. And because before the NMD they could not even completely re-equip the "peacetime army" with a modernized one, and now we are talking about a mob reserve.
    2. +3
      25 February 2023 15: 45
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      I don’t understand why it was impossible to make these sights for the future and store them in the state reserve?

      Well, this is about how to buy 10 TVs in an apartment in reserve
  22. +5
    24 February 2023 12: 33
    They say that on the European theater of operations, the direct shot distance rarely exceeds 2-3 km. I would like to see the comments of the tankers, how often they shoot at the NWO with direct fire at a distance of 3 km and beyond.
    1. 0
      25 February 2023 05: 13
      There is a video of how one T-90 stopped two columns. Just shot from that distance. The rest of the artillery finished off. It was an epic fight, of course. the Ukrainians arranged a friendfire there, destroyed several pieces of their armor. The landing with the BMP was suppressed.
      1. +1
        25 February 2023 16: 23
        There is a video of how one T-90 stopped two columns. Just shot from such a distance

        And actually with what with such? How did you determine the distance from the video from the quadrocopter? It seems to me "strictly by eye" there is no more than a kilometer.
  23. +1
    24 February 2023 13: 32
    New T-80BVM tanks for a special operation: it looks like they had to save on sights
    Well, we have it as usual!

    1. +1
      24 February 2023 14: 07
      Previously, it was necessary to think about modernization in the army. On the contrary, the Ministry of Defense reduced everything everywhere, Shoigu reduced the Ministry of Emergencies, got to the army. On the Internet they write that the Americans arrange fires
      It turns out that we have all of Siberia without air defense means, that it just doesn’t fly there
      How could one agree with the United States that our territory should not be under air defense systems
      1. 0
        25 February 2023 15: 23
        Previously, it was necessary to think about modernization in the army.
        I am not Shoigu and not the Minister of Defense. It is his task to think about the modernization of equipment in the army.
  24. -5
    24 February 2023 14: 05
    152 mm guns should be mounted on tanks.
    1. +1
      25 February 2023 15: 46
      Quote from Alexwar
      152 mm guns should be mounted on tanks.

      Will a projectile fit into an automatic loader?
      1. 0
        25 February 2023 16: 38
        Will a projectile fit into an automatic loader?

        climbed in object 292
    2. 0
      25 February 2023 20: 14
      Or maybe it’s better to bring 125mm to the level of Рх120? Like BC, gunpowder, etc.?
  25. +3
    24 February 2023 14: 21
    Quote: paul3390
    Supreme Commander

    We have only one Supreme Commander-in-Chief - this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin ...

    Let us note that Comrade Stalin lost the beginning of the war with huge losses in the military unit, but won in the economic one, having evacuated industry beyond the Urals.
    1. -1
      25 February 2023 15: 49
      Quote: Pavel57
      Let us note that Comrade Stalin lost the beginning of the war with huge losses in the military unit, but won in the economic one, having evacuated industry beyond the Urals.

      And now the Urals will not help in case of war. The words of the same Stalin are recalled here: "V.I. Lenin left us the state of workers and peasants, and we p.r.o.s.r.a.l.i"
    2. -1
      25 February 2023 20: 18
      Quote: Pavel57
      but won in the economic, having evacuated the industry beyond the Urals.

      Well, how did he do it? Machine tools, metal, gunpowder, etc. fell from the moon? Then the Americans helped very much, in fact, everything that was needed to replace Kharkov.
  26. 0
    24 February 2023 15: 09
    Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
    But how could they shoot without electronic computers during the Second World War and hit a couple of kilometers for sure ... How did these T-80 tanks, the best tanks of their time, get into the 80s?
    Yes, with a weak thermal tank, the tank is limited to work at night, on the other hand, battles rarely go on at night, even with those vehicles that can do it. In principle, taking into account the actual exhaustion of tanks from the enemy, tanks from anti-tank weapons have become what they should be - means for opening the enemy’s defenses ... And then, as it were, the attacker himself determines the place and time.

    I served in a tank regiment, and we only had 80s, which I remember, the frontal projection was additionally welded on, this was the beginning of the 80s and they talked that the lazar sight was outdated, it was necessary to switch to a passive one, even then Western tanks had guidance systems for someone else's laser. At the expense of the best, I have not heard.
    1. 0
      26 February 2023 13: 28
      can you give me a link where is this info
      it is necessary to switch to a passive one, even then Western tanks had guidance systems for someone else's laser.
  27. -2
    24 February 2023 15: 21
    Quote: Pavel57
    Let us note that Comrade Stalin lost the beginning of the war with huge losses in the military unit, but won in the economic one, having evacuated industry beyond the Urals.

    He lost before the war, who invented tank wedges and taught the Germans - Tukhachevsky, they shot and there were many of them, so that there were not only tactical and other miscalculations, the failure of the company, this is a natural result of taxiing infallible ..., and the rest, for with some exception, they didn’t go far. If Konev’s memoirs of 41 and 42 were omitted, it’s understandable that the great strategist and his taxiing near Rzhev. Yes, what is there 41, it was already clear in Finnish. . It’s good that at least Putin doesn’t throw unarmed people under machine guns, like Stalin did the 2nd shock, and then he doesn’t declare her traitors and forbids burying her. We can say demonstrative feat of Stalin's genius.
    1. +3
      25 February 2023 15: 55
      Quote from Etwas
      He lost before the war, who invented tank wedges and taught the Germans - Tukhachevsky

      You picked up some common phrases somewhere. Tukhachevsky dreamed of having 50 mechanized corps. And no economy can stand it. And the same Tukhachevsky crap near Warsaw.
  28. Owl
    +1
    24 February 2023 18: 30
    In general, it is much more problematic that all damaged equipment is exported to Russia, almost to the manufacturing plant, for repair. Here again, therefore, there are not enough armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and tanks in the units, on the "front line".
  29. +1
    24 February 2023 22: 24
    Do-imports were replaced. The reports were good in them ..... whether from the heart
  30. -2
    24 February 2023 22: 57
    Serdyuk destroyed all military schools and lives perfectly behind the cordon .. Why didn’t he get punished !!! And now there is crying - there are no tankers, no artillerymen ... And where was the Supreme Commander when Serdyuk was destroying everything ??? Or it was impossible to touch him, because he is from a cohort of untouchables ...
    1. 0
      25 February 2023 20: 24
      I don’t agree about Serdyukov’s account, unlike Shoigu he didn’t wear uniforms, although he has an officer’s position and even though he was a thief, he was a strong business executive. Thanks to Serdyukov, the Lynx appeared in the army, but unfortunately too few. Shoigi had a lot of years to put things in order, but the shows were more expensive for him.
  31. +2
    25 February 2023 00: 37
    Another topic for the article is "What about our artillery." Do we have self-propelled guns in general now? We have modern artillery. The "coalition" that has been sawed for twenty years already looks quite ordinary, but it has never been seen. Self-propelled mortars "Vienna"?
    Maybe you need to do something like the Serbian Alexander. How are the stocks of Soviet "Carnations"? There was once a lot of talk about non-nuclear ICBMs, whether there are plans to deliver a ton or two of explosives to the Dnieper.
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  33. +2
    25 February 2023 04: 50
    Quote: Negro
    The enemy believes that he is getting stronger every day, and the RF Armed Forces are getting weaker every day. As far as the enemy is right, it will be seen by the fall.

    I'm sorry to write this, but you're absolutely right. The authorities just crap, I apologize for naturalism and do not know what to do next. They simply lack the will and desire to win.
    In the end, the resources of Russia and Ukraine, even secondhand by the West, are incomparable. An army of a couple of million people would have unwound the Ukrainian one a long time ago.
    The question here is whether the Russian economy will withstand it and I would like the country to switch completely to a military footing ...
    After all, in fact, until now, the authorities have not told why it was necessary to start a war right now? And still not told what is the purpose of this war?
    1. +4
      25 February 2023 07: 04
      Quote: certero
      In the end, the resources of Russia and Ukraine, even second-hand by the West, are incomparable

      )))
      Not comparable, but it seems to me that you are mistaken in sign.
      Quote: certero
      An army of a couple of million people would have unwound the Ukrainian one a long time ago

      Where do you get such an army? How many years do you think it takes to create a ground force of this size?
      Quote: certero
      The question here is whether the Russian economy will withstand it and I would like the country to switch completely to a military footing ...

      It is difficult to understand what the "transition of the economy to a military footing" means in modern conditions. Do you want to repeat the Iranian-Iraqi NVO for Iran?
      Quote: certero
      still not told what is the purpose of this war?

      And what the power can not arrange now? On the whole, the government has carried out damage control quite well, nothing threatens it.
    2. +1
      25 February 2023 18: 21
      Considering that in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they began to row the pre-retirement age, we have already unwound more than one army ...
  34. -1
    25 February 2023 06: 35
    according to some information, the same UralVagonZavod at peak capacity produces up to several repaired and modified cars per day
    - yeah, this is what we managed to organize mass production during an intense military conflict .... This is what Vladimir Vladimirovich warned everyone a few years ago about the need to be able to produce military products by business enterprises, and here the state enterprise gives out minced meat with a creak ... Right how Bilyaletdinov promised to play with the Americans at the Olympics - "let's get ready and figure it out." Prepared. And figured it out. laughing
  35. +3
    25 February 2023 06: 41
    Now, as usual, cotton wool will light up) Types are stolen, deputies, authorities, shell cases ... In fact, there are already a lot of photos from UVZ, where new ones, I emphasize NEW T-90 cases on the conveyor, and not alterations from 72x, Terminators are new, this technique will be the first the turn to receive modern sighting systems, it is especially critical for the latter, because their task is to pick infantry in the forest and shit, T-80s have no idea whether they will continue production, it is likely that they are being merged, yet there should be one MBT, and the eighty is not sickly different from 72/90, they are basically similar in appearance.
  36. +3
    25 February 2023 10: 41
    How far are the fights? How much do existing sights reduce the effectiveness of tanks?
  37. -1
    25 February 2023 12: 16
    I read a comment here, and I realized one thing, that there are a lot of people who can be brainwashed. No one has delved into the truth, the author simply brazenly shits into their brains, and they spread this shit further. For example, the difference between the matrix between cooled and not cooled, that one is bad at a distance and the other weather and smoke is not very good. But these idiots just can in the brain. Guys, how do you like shit in the brain, does it bother you?
  38. +3
    25 February 2023 13: 11
    Below the article, commentators on the hype with big pluses, probably squeal from their insight and cleverness. Some kind of childish innocence. And if we put the question differently, we will equip the tanks with pine trees, set up ships with working air defense, armada drones, etc., but there will be no pensions, public sector salaries, roads, etc., I wonder how many people will vote for this. And there is no need to squeal about yachts, castles, and so on, just don’t give bribes to doctors, teachers, officials, build according to snips, and don’t shove things into buildings, hang fire extinguishers at the right height, like in the west instead of paying bribes to firefighters. Start over with yourself. In extreme cases, you can go on strike, but nothing can be decided except for dismissal from work and broken ribs, but at least your conscience will be clear that you did not sit on the couch but committed a civil act. And then they got sick of counting Shoigu's mistresses (and if they were in his place, they would have brought more, unless of course he has, as at one time Rem Vyakhirev and Chernomyrdin from Gazprom were considered billionaires, but in fact ten million dollars in total, the mayor of the city of some kind and then there will be more), well, for some reason, the majority dreams of marrying off as a husband to some kind of official, businessman under administrations. It is enough to look at how Satanist drivers behave, who believe that it is more important for them to drive faster, 90% of traffic jams are due to them. And these are all our people. Blah blah blah is the lot of weak envious people.
    1. +1
      25 February 2023 16: 42
      but there will be no pensions, public sector salaries, roads, etc.

      The sun, in order for them not to exist, they first need to appear ...
      And no need to squeal about yachts, castles and stuff

      No need to squeal, you need to hang, and all the sun
      Can we call the president from China, like Rurik once did? Then it’s true that you, dear friend, will knock in the wind, but instead of yachts and castles, there will be pensions, salaries for state employees, roads, etc., including the military-industrial complex and the modern army
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  40. 0
    25 February 2023 18: 57
    Back in Soviet times, I got acquainted with a series of GOSTs for the production of weapons and military equipment in WAR TIME. Inside the "military" standards there was such an additional group of GOSTs. They were brought only to a narrow group of enterprise specialists. Already by some signs I see that such standards have been put into effect. I wonder if Soviet GOSTs were put into effect or were they smart enough to develop Russian ones in advance?
  41. +3
    25 February 2023 19: 46
    Sights based on KRT (cooled), and not only them, we made back in 1985. And in 2023, we forgot how.
    But all 30 years they confidently ruined the defense industry. They ruined the NPO Orion, Geophysics, and hell knows how many enterprises. We didn't have enemies, we had respected partners.
    And now they have seen the light, and most importantly, that there is no one to blame.
    I have no words, only interjections.
  42. 0
    25 February 2023 21: 18
    Somehow they quickly switched to ersatz, only a year of special operation ...
    But Abrams and Leopards, nevertheless, we will show!
  43. 0
    26 February 2023 19: 12
    Quote: AG-76
    The question arises - did you prepare at all?

    We are a little different from the rest of the world.
    As you know, it is not customary for us to report on unavailability. In this particular situation: prepared (or not prepared) by some, but decisions were made by completely different people. And these decisions were made precisely on the basis of the reports. In which, as I mentioned above, it is not customary to reflect unavailability.
    Well, the circle is closed.
  44. +1
    26 February 2023 19: 38
    I wonder if there are many cases at all when a tank fires at a material object smaller than a one-story building 5 * 5 m at distances greater than 2-2,5 km with direct fire? If you focus on the video, then the main work goes from 500 m to 1,5 km. from shelters .. The main problem is not in the sight, the video is a tank accompanied by a UAV and the operators of the mat cover everything in order, there is no communication with the car and they see an ambush .. it ended happily, the airbags just missed and the rocket slid, tearing off a couple of plates of additional protection during the explosion
  45. +1
    27 February 2023 02: 23
    Quote: svoroponov
    Better not touch the temple. Yours is not a penny there.
    If you yourself are not a believer, then do not touch the believers.
    Do not judge others by yourselves so that you will not be judged.
    Yes, and I would like to know - and in addition to bribes to doctors in the form of sweets and alcohol, did you support someone else, voluntarily, with your own funds?

    And neither the church nor the tavern -
    Nothing is holy!
    No, guys, it's not like that!
    It's not right guys ...
    The ROC is a large corporation that has income not only from parishioners, but also from real business. The church owns shares of banks and firms, there are investments in large projects.
    Officially, the profit of the ROC for the year is up to 10 billion rubles. However, this profit is not only from the sale of church goods. Naturally, these profits are not taxed, since it is officially considered that the church does not conduct trading activities at all, and these incomes are donations. The structure of the ROC is as follows: any parish is registered as an NGO. At the moment, there are 34,5 parishes. Every year, the parish gives to the dioceses from several thousand to several million rubles. It is clear that if the parish does not bring in enough money, then it will be “reformed”, since the center has certain requests for retail outlets.
    Any outlet must transfer up to 50% of the proceeds to the dioceses. And the diocese owes the patriarchy 15% of all income. Such is the pyramid. Naturally, the most important thing is to transfer money to the diocese, and if there is no such transfer, then personnel changes are possible. The ROC restores and restores churches at the expense of public funds, and then uses the entire infrastructure to its advantage. Believers who regularly attend temples are no more than 2% of Russian citizens. Most believers, like most of those on this forum, do not attend churches, but this does not mean that they are not believers. About how holy the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church and everything that is happening behind the fences of monasteries hidden from the eyes of citizens is a separate conversation. So there is no need to insult people here and present yourself as holier than the "pope".
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  47. 0
    28 February 2023 16: 51
    Quote: svoroponov
    Better not touch the temple. Yours is not a penny there.
    If you yourself are not a believer, then do not touch the believers.
    Do not judge others by yourselves so that you will not be judged.
    Yes, and I would like to know - and in addition to bribes to doctors in the form of sweets and alcohol, did you support someone else, voluntarily, with your own funds?

    SchA will trample you in righteous anger guardians of the Russian budget and our State!!!!
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  49. 0
    2 March 2023 23: 56
    Compared to the T-64,55,34, yes, they are new, they are, but if Leo, or Celik and Abrasha, then they are no longer new, far from new, and they will merge at the first oncoming battle.
  50. 0
    April 28 2023 23: 43
    And what about the plant for the production of chips using 28nm technology in Zelenograd? And there has been nothing about the Okhotnik UAV for a long time either. Don't expect the conflict to end soon. It's only begining...
  51. 0
    19 May 2023 14: 55
    This is, of course, strange, we were able to increase the production of tanks, but the production of the necessary components for them is still not there. We need to understand this situation and make some efforts to increase the production of all the necessary systems and components, because producing simplified semi-finished products in order to increase the quantity is also not the best solution to the problem.
  52. 0
    25 December 2023 18: 34
    It is known that the most terrible enemy of a tank is an untrained crew. There seem to be more problems with training tank crews than with sights. “Sosna U” is a modern sight, it sees well both day and night, the 1G46 is also not bad, at least the best one born in the USSR, but that’s not the point. In order to use all their capabilities in battle, taking into account the composition of the control system, the training of tank crews and especially gunners and tank commanders must be appropriate. But it seems that there is none or it is at a fairly low level. I don’t want to be a pessimist, but what I saw at the training grounds recently, the mid and early 20s, did not make me happy. And the main problem is the lack of means of objective monitoring of the condition of the tanks’ control system and the work of the crews during firing. The assessment was based on the principle - the shells fly to the target area, this is already “good”. According to various sources, the training of tank crews in the SA in the 80s was assessed
    the tank’s firepower sales indicator is 0,3-0,5, today I don’t know and I can’t even imagine. There is no need to talk about tank biathlon, nothing. If my company had been shooting like this (6 years of combat performance on T-64, T-62m and T-72a tanks), then I definitely would not have written this comment...