F-16 in the sky of Ukraine: they think for a long time, they do it quietly

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F-16 in the sky of Ukraine: they think for a long time, they do it quietly

If you calmly and carefully look at how events are developing with the supply of military equipment to Ukraine, then it is already quite possible to conclude that the F-16 will fall into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. A scarecrow, a carcass, with mercenaries in the cabins, but they will fall. And with the F-16, it will be realistic to see Mirages in the Ukrainian sky.

Why not? The plane is very expensive. To give away the old one in order to get a new one in its place - this is God himself (the Minister of Finance) ordered, because it is very profitable: local enterprises are loaded, workers plow and so on. True, all this is valid for those countries who have their own aviation industry.



Therefore, the simply wild initiative of the Netherlands and Poland looks very intricate. However, everything is much simpler than it seems.


In the United States, they are still “thinking” whether to give Ukraine planes or not. A normal plot plot, if you remember how support for Ukraine by the NATO bloc began in general.

- We will give only the old Soviet weapons.
- We will give the old Soviet weapons and quite a few Bayraktar-type UAVs.
- We'll give you some Javelins.
- We will give just a few artillery systems. And several counter-battery stations.
- We will give as many artillery systems as we can and a couple of HIMARS /
- HIMARS will give more, but without long-range missiles. And think about tanks.
- We'll give tanks, but not today. But we will. BMP? And what about BMPs, these are not tanks ...
- We'll give tanks, yes. We will not give planes, although we will think about it.

I think the analogy works quite well. While the United States is now saying out loud that the supply of aircraft to Ukraine is a matter of the distant future, if at all possible, Poland and the Netherlands are already seriously considering options for transferring their F-16s to Ukraine.

Yes, and in the States themselves, support for the idea of ​​\u16b\uXNUMXbspending aircraft and training crews is gradually growing. The F-XNUMXs will be used to patrol Ukrainian airspace and will be especially useful against Russian cruise missiles. At least, that's what the Ukrainians say, who motivate the supply of aircraft to their armed forces.

Indeed, the F-16, whose design comes from the 80s of the last century, looks quite normal in this form. It is not as costly and dangerous as, say, sending the same F-22s and F-35s to Ukraine.

As one US military official said, "Let's face it, nuclear war is not going to happen over F-16s."


It is possible that it will not happen. And it may happen otherwise. The drawing of "red lines" by the Russian authorities may sooner or later end (all with the same zero result), the question of the use of nuclear weapons (which, we note, have long been threatened by some Russian politicians of the second echelon) can be staged in a new and not entirely beautiful perspective.
Ukraine started the war not with the best Air Force: 43 MiG-29s and 34 Su-27s. Plus about 30 Su-25s and 16 Su-24s. Not much. Moreover, all the aircraft were built in Soviet times and at the time of the outbreak of hostilities, the age of the aircraft was 30 years or more.

Yes, the air forces of the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, and now NATO members, generously shared spare parts and even entire aircraft. However, a year of hostilities depleted the supplies needed both in NATO countries and in the Ukrainian Air Force.

As a result, that side came to the understanding that in 2023 either Ukraine will be left without aircraft at all, or the allies simply have to do something so that the Ukrainian Air Force continues to be at least something combat-ready.

One of these solutions was the option of transferring F-16 Fighting Falcon fighters to Ukraine. The F-16, originally designed as a low cost fighter, has evolved over the past four decades into an effective multirole strike fighter. Previously popular among the NATO Air Force due to its simplicity and low price, the F-16 is gradually being replaced in their units by the F-35 "Lightning II".

Today, many want to change the F-16 to the F-35. And here we get a simple scheme: as new F-35s arrive in the air forces of NATO countries, such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Poland and others, the military departments decommission their F-16s, presenting the possibility of sending them to Ukraine.

Accordingly, this process will free up and give away a large amount of spare parts and ammunition that are no longer needed by F-35 operators.

To what extent can the F-16 strengthen the Ukrainian Air Force?


Much. Fighters are generally dual-purpose aircraft: they can be used offensively to seize control of the airspace of another country, and are no less effective in defending their own space.

If Ukraine gets F-16s, they are unlikely to be limited to a defensive role. This is not the HIMARS complex, for which it is enough not to give tactical missiles. But here difficulties arise with the use, since aviation operations in the NVO zone are generally hampered by air defense counteraction from both sides.

You can consider the F-16 as an air defense component. Considering that the F-16, like all 4th generation aircraft, was originally designed for use against bombers and attack aircraft, it can also be effective against Russian Caliber, 9M729 and Kh-101 cruise missiles. The F-16C AN / APG-68 radar can detect such targets in view mode at a distance of up to 50 kilometers.

Russia in 2022 has repeatedly demonstrated the effectiveness of massive missile strikes. The F-16, armed with AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, which have already demonstrated their worth when launched from NASAMS ground-based launchers, could patrol the airspace over Ukraine, quickly responding to cruise missile launches at targets and intercepting them before approaching the cities.

Poland and the Netherlands have said they will send F-16s as both countries are already on the F-35 customer list. Poland is ready to transfer 36 late-model F-16s in exchange for 32 Lightning II F-35s, which, according to the contract, should begin arriving in 2026.

Unlike other F-16 operators, Poland was not preparing to decommission its F-16s anytime soon, with 2026 still a long time away. However, Poland's offer to transfer the F-16 to Ukraine could be the very cornerstone that triggers the avalanche. As at one time, the first self-propelled guns "Crab" from Poland caused acts of donation of other artillery systems from NATO member countries.

With the Netherlands even more interesting. The country had a very impressive air force, consisting of more than two hundred of the same F-16s. Over time, the country's air fleet was reduced to 68 aircraft, but from among those decommissioned, a fair amount of aircraft could easily be allocated for transfer to Ukraine. Especially considering that the Netherlands will receive their F-35s before Poland.

Many experts (including those in Ukraine) believe that Ukrainian pilots will need about six months of training to master the F-16. The Ukrainian military department selected about 50 people from among the Air Force pilots with a decent knowledge of English.


Biden says no, but does that mean no?

And US President Joe Biden, when asked if the United States would send F-16s to Ukraine, said no. But we remember very well that he answered the question about the transfer of M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine in exactly the same way. However, as soon as the level of approving noise reached its maximum, Mr. Biden immediately reversed his original decision.

Therefore, such a development of events will be quite natural, as in the case of tanks. The US public will raise a fuss, express approval and ... planes will go to Ukraine.

More precisely, they will not come from the USA. For the first time, at least.

It will turn out approximately like with German tanks. Everyone, from Kyiv to Washington, really wanted the Leopards to be in the Ukrainian army. Berlin resisted as much as it could, but in the end the Germans were outplayed. The Americans and the British announced the supply of their tanks to Ukraine, the Germans simply had nowhere to go. And the Leopards will be at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Whether this is good or not is a separate discussion.

So even if Biden continues to say no, American planes could still end up in Ukraine. They just come from the bins of Poland, the Netherlands, Denmark and other countries. And then, as expected, the United States will catch up. Actually, nothing of the kind is needed from the States, the retraining of flight personnel and the modernization of existing aircraft. Well, the release of the F-35, which will have to replace the F-16 transferred to Ukraine.

And there, the same Germans and French can catch up. The French have completely unnecessary Mirage 2000s, which it would be nice to replace with Rafales, and the Germans have Tornados, which they would also like to donate to the altar instead of the F-35.

So the Ukrainian Air Force will have planes. It is not so important whether it will be F-16, Mirage or Tornado. The important thing is that the West will do its best to drag out this war with arms supplies, the purpose of which is completely clear today: the destruction of the Russian world does not matter under what banner.

And while various U.S. officials continue to say "no" to arms supplies to Ukraine, others will train Ukrainian pilots, recruit mercenaries from other countries' pilots, and repair and upgrade old F-16s in other countries.

Nothing personal, just business.
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  1. +33
    4 February 2023 04: 31
    Everything is extremely simple here: impunity gives rise to permissiveness. NATO does everything exactly what we (ie Putin) allows them to do. There is no political will, there are no balls of steel, here is the result for you. Aviation will be 150%, there will be missiles of 300 km, and there will be tiao. We just have to wait a little am
    1. -1
      4 February 2023 09: 33
      NATO does everything exactly what we (ie Putin) allows them to do. There is no political will, there are no balls of steel, here is the result for you.
      Here you have political will and how you can prevent NATO from doing what they see fit. Or Putin can write a decree banning the transfer of tanks and aircraft.
      1. +21
        4 February 2023 10: 44
        At the very beginning of the NWO, the West was really afraid to send weapons to Ukraine. Russia's strike on logistics hubs in Poland was the most logical and expected response. He was expected. And as Comrade Putin rightly said, if the English destroyer Defender had been sunk, this would not have led to a third world war. In the West, they understood that they asked for it. But they watched with dropped jaws as Russia made new statements and drew new red lines. Until they suddenly realized that there would be no answer. None. And everything is possible.
        1. +11
          4 February 2023 14: 13
          Quote from: blackGRAIL
          At the very beginning of the NWO, the West was really afraid to send weapons to Ukraine. Russia's strike on logistics hubs in Poland was the most logical and expected response. He was expected. And as Comrade Putin rightly said, if the English destroyer Defender had been sunk, this would not have led to a third world war. In the West, they understood that they asked for it. But they watched with dropped jaws as Russia made new statements and drew new red lines. Until they suddenly realized that there would be no answer. None. And everything is possible.

          Stop talking nonsense about red lines. The supply of arms is not prohibited by more than one convention. Or do you want all "neutral allies" to turn away from us if we launch a nuclear or non-nuclear strike on Poland. For some reason, the USSR did not strike at Pakistan, but it could. And the fact that the USSR supplied weapons to the North. Korea and planes with pilots, to the Middle East, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, who then fought with Israel, to Africa. So, by and large, in principle, they can supply these weapons (except for weapons of mass destruction) and nothing can be done about it. This has been practiced at all times by someone. someone armed during conflicts.
          Another question is why the points of acceptance of weapons on the western border of Ukraine, repair depots, and traction substations have not been separated. tunnels, in general, something that cannot be repaired quickly, on the territory of Ukraine.
          And let's shout bang, so the United States is waiting for this in order to announce to the whole world that the Russian Federation is nuclear terrorists.
          1. 0
            19 March 2023 10: 13
            The supply of weapons to the conflict zone is not a gentlemen's agreement and the rules of the game! This is a balance of power, if they are afraid of you, then your convoys will not be touched! am
            In response to U2 flights from Pakistan, the USSR threatened Pakistan with the destruction of all airfields, and U2s from Pakistan stopped flying. Israel was afraid to sneeze towards the USSR and stopped its successful offensive operations after a warning from the USSR about the possibility of intervening in the conflict.
            Russia in Syria has demonstrated strength and will, and in Ukraine, helplessness, which is based on economic dependence on the West! Therefore we have what we have
            1. 0
              23 March 2023 18: 40
              Where do you come from, drawing in Poland or Belarus is automatically flaring up a conflict, but a world one.
          2. -1
            31 March 2023 01: 58
            Reasonable considerations. The text is short, but there is no subtracting, no adding.
          3. -2
            April 17 2023 20: 31
            Formally you are right. But if in essence, then a nuclear war cannot be avoided, because the United States, having lost its hegemony, loses its dollar rent and turns into a rather ordinary country that simply will not be able to maintain such an army and navy. She's already bankrupt. It can only be saved by winning the global war. With so many nuclear weapons, human losses will be enormous, but civilization will not perish. And the one who will be the first to deliver a global annihilating blow will win. Scary scenario? Certainly scary, and most of us are unlikely to survive in it, especially if our politicians, like you, are terrified of a nuclear war. Have you ever wondered: "Why is the enemy not afraid of a nuclear war?" The answer is simpler than you think - because they have always been the masters of the world in their psychology, and we are miserable slaves. For he who is least afraid of dying will win the war.
        2. +11
          4 February 2023 18: 10
          Quote from: blackGRAIL
          Until they suddenly realized that there would be no answer. None. And everything is possible.

          No matter how insulting and disgusting it is to admit, but our country turned out to be just a cowardly balablka headed by the same commander-in-chief.
          1. Alf
            +1
            4 February 2023 19: 21
            Quote: Gritsa
            our country turned out to be just a cowardly bastard headed by the same commander-in-chief.

            Not a country, but the authorities ... The country volunteered, but you can’t see the kids of the authorities with machine guns in their hands ...
            1. +2
              5 February 2023 04: 12
              Here's how to say ... For 300 thousand mobilized, at least 600 thousand travelers "abroad". So "as a whole in the hospital" we do not reach the level of volunteers.
            2. -1
              5 February 2023 18: 50
              Well, then people are important, and the people can spend a lot, if only the king is not a series.
          2. 0
            5 February 2023 18: 49
            And to be honest to the end, you can think of the idea that there really were no goals, starting from the moment the correspondence began about "leave Europe, otherwise we ourselves know that!"
          3. 0
            16 March 2023 22: 40
            How many people here want World War 3 in an accelerated mode. Only now, if it starts, then the minced meat will be turned back into the meat late. Millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of people will die, mostly civilians, and how many will have to accept various torments in the form of burns, wounds, fractures. Do you want this?
            What is being done by the country's top leadership is being done correctly. What is in the economy, what is in other areas. Analysts, intelligence and so on work. The West is not omnipotent. It only has a small supply of resources and funds that it can afford to release for military operations. Yes, and the people in the west are not the same, they will deceive, yes. But most importantly, they are not morally ready to fight there.
            the desire to get on a military footing. Because they understand that this is a road to nowhere. There will be no restoration of Europe and America, because there will be no resources for this. Russia obviously will not lose, and Europe will no longer have the strength to take them on the side. Almost the entire industry will be in ruins, radiation. There is no medicine. The most reproductive generation has died.
            1. 0
              19 March 2023 10: 31
              No one calls for a third world! On the contrary, people resent the fact that our authorities were not able to quickly and effectively end the war! The longer this goes on, the more likely it is to wait for the third world war, because we should have already agreed on how to live in a new situation, when Kiev is at least neutral and not dangerous to us, but instead there is an intensification and escalation of hostilities!
              The Russian authorities in Ukraine showed themselves far from the best side, Putin's authority fell sharply, it turned out that the Russian army was not at all the same as they were told about it, no one cares about our red lines, and we are not able to win without external help (for the martyr moped Iran thank you!)! And our achievements in the economy, this is a miscalculation of the West, and not the success of the Kremlin, our economy is resource-based, this is the bottom, below which there is nowhere to fall fool it’s just that we have resources like dirt and it’s difficult for the world without them, and we are dependent on the external market, so the West is looking for options on how to limit us, and we are trying not to give reasons to introduce a total ban on trade with us! People rely on China and parallel imports so that the standard of living remains more or less and the drop in economic activity is very serious, in many areas the business feels, frankly, so-so, keeps afloat and thank God!
            2. 0
              April 30 2023 20: 57
              You can't prevent a nuclear war with pacifist posts, but
              people who do not hide their heads in the sand and whose logic is not paralyzed by the fear of death or catastrophe soberly see the high probability of such a war. And mentally prepared for it. If it doesn't happen, they won't be upset. And the government and the General Staff are simply obliged to develop a detailed scenario for an offensive nuclear war, since a defensive one is an order of magnitude more dangerous. I think this is in order.
          4. 0
            23 March 2023 18: 41
            Shut up CIPSO, only you can carry such nonsense.
        3. 0
          11 February 2023 17: 21
          are you sure that there will be no answer? they have gone so deep into it that they can no longer lose, everything will be tanks and planes and missiles, and in the end there will be NATO and an exchange of nuclear strikes, at the top and we understand everything there, look at the movements we have nuclear weapons and they have global shifts, eternal exercises, an increase in the number of charges, delivery vehicles, etc., etc.
          1. 0
            16 March 2023 22: 56
            How deeply they entered and will come out. They have no conscience, so if the Ukrainians are thrown out, they will not be upset.
            There will be no Western aviation there. And if there are several dozen cars, then this will not be for long. Yes, and more. In training battles, the f-16s everywhere lost battles to the aircraft of the former USSR MiG-29 and Su-27 in close combat. Previously, he could win at a distance due to his radar and missiles. Although the radar station on the MiG-29 of the former GDR, when characterizing it in the USA, surpassed the station on f-16 in its performance. And the pilots of the former GDR against the Americans won all the battles with a devastating score. I have a lot of former GDR pilots who joined the Bundeswehr.
            Now our radars are one and a half times better in terms of capabilities, and missiles are longer-range. When the F of our Su only notices, our Su will already be able to use missile weapons on the enemy. Our missiles are already like that, the West has none of them. Yes, and the airborne radar is much better. Guidance from AWACS aircraft will not help much. F will walk at low altitudes, therefore its capabilities will be very limited. Rise a little higher - the client of our air defense systems.
          2. 0
            April 30 2023 21: 00
            Here you need to act quickly and calmly. As soon as they begin to suspend nuclear bombs, it is immediately necessary to deliver a massive nuclear strike with missiles at the United States and NATO bases.
      2. +7
        4 February 2023 12: 14
        The important thing is that the West will do its best to drag out this war with arms supplies, the purpose of which is completely clear today: the destruction of the Russian world does not matter under what banner.[/ I]

        Putin does not need to write a decree on a ban on supplies, but a decree on the demolition of all bridges and railway junction yards. And do not say that it is difficult and impossible. Khhl'lam managed to damage the Crimean bridge?
        Destroy bridges, junction stations, turn off the pumping of gas, oil, ammonia through Ukraine, officially close the ports of Ukraine (by aviation, if the MF cannot), and it will not drag on for a long time. But for this the will of the chief starch is needed, and above him, apparently, "business, nothing personal" ...
        1. +4
          4 February 2023 17: 16
          Putin does not need to write a decree on a ban on supplies, but a decree on the demolition of all bridges and railway junction yards.
          The effect will be the same as from the decree about which I wrote.
          And do not say that it is difficult and impossible.
          Of course, this is not impossible in principle. But what outfit of forces is needed for this and do we have them.
          Khhl'lam managed to damage the Crimean bridge?
          A truck with explosives, but in Kherson they damaged it (Himars were monotonously hammered). Yes, and on bridges in Ukraine, strikes were inflicted.
          Destroy bridges, junction stations, turn off the pumping of gas, oil, ammonia through Ukraine, officially close the ports of Ukraine (by aviation, if the MF cannot), and it will not drag on for a long time.
          The war will not end from this, at least you can call a spade a spade. Largely because you will not be able to do much of what you write. It’s interesting how you imagine it, SU-34 regiments are flying and hammering all bridges and stations into dust with cast iron. The air defense is silently looking at this, although no, the air defense of Ukraine is probably a myth. Although stop, they also include the Khibiny and that's it. All radars are blinded, missiles are not guided, and even the optics are melting. There is probably another option that the President has the key to the secret warehouse, so on a dark night he will open it and there ... A cave full of miracles, thousands and thousands of Calibers, X-all types, corrected missiles for Tornado-S and U, etc. d. And then, of course, you will destroy all stations, substations, superstations and even all wooden bridges across the rivers. Wake up people, you do not live in the USSR. The military-industrial complex of Russia and the USSR have very different capabilities. The army fights with what it has and uses the resources available to it, while not burning with the desire to ruin the Aerospace Forces for the sake of someone's wishes.
          1. +7
            4 February 2023 18: 13
            Quote: DmitriiVP
            It’s interesting how you imagine it, SU-34 regiments are flying and hammering all bridges and stations into dust with cast iron. The air defense is silently looking at this, although no, the air defense of Ukraine is probably a myth. Although stop, they also include the Khibiny and that's it. All radars are blinded, missiles are not guided, and even the optics are melting. There is probably another option that the President has the key to the secret warehouse, so on a dark night he will open it and there ... A cave full of miracles, thousands and thousands of Calibers, X-all types, corrected missiles for Tornado-S and U, etc. d. And then, of course, you will destroy all stations, substations, superstations and even all wooden bridges across the rivers. Wake up people, you do not live in the USSR. The military-industrial complex of Russia and the USSR have very different capabilities. The army fights with what it has and uses the resources available to it, while not burning with the desire to ruin the Aerospace Forces for the sake of someone's wishes.

            Knowing such a disposition, was it worth it then to start throwing ultimatums for NATO?
            1. -2
              5 February 2023 07: 59
              Knowing such a disposition, was it worth it then to start throwing ultimatums for NATO?
              The only serious ultimatum was at the beginning, that if any country directly intervenes in this conflict, it has a great chance of getting a nuclear strike, that's all. The rest is chatter and the armies of the NATO countries on the territory of Ukraine are not yet available.
          2. 0
            5 February 2023 01: 32
            With such layouts, it turns out that we have something but little ... so little and we cannot use it because of this smallness ......
            And then how to understand the fact that the Americans for 2 months began to talk about the fact that Russia will attack Ukraine???
            For 2 months they knew that ours would attack.
            But they probably went nuts because of how we attacked!!!!
            Idiotic!!!! Ches word!
            If the Americans zanli in 2 months, then what did our General Staff do ????
            How did our generals plan the operation???
            There are just so many questions!
            As soon as you start to analyze in the slightest way, that's it, tryndets and zvezdets - questions, questions and questions ... and everything to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, and, of course, to the commander-in-chief.
            1. 0
              5 February 2023 18: 54
              And you, or someone here, dare to ask these "questions"? I'm sure not.
            2. 0
              April 30 2023 21: 03
              The fact is that they were fucked up because they attacked not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. They planned the opposite, and wrote about our attack to confuse the electorate.
          3. -1
            5 February 2023 01: 40
            The army fights with what it has and uses the resources available to it, while not burning with the desire to ruin the Aerospace Forces for the sake of someone's wishes.


            Fables! You don’t need sous shelves with tons of cast iron, if you wish and will, you can use combat swimmers, and a truck with explosives and saboteurs and rockets, the same Iskanders, you can’t shoot them all down, even 4-ton "mosquitoes" can be re-equipped with other guidance systems, and a lot of things can be implemented, but political will is needed! Do not tell me fairy tales that justify the spinelessness of power, where "business, nothing personal" is more important ... And if there is really nothing to do all this, then the question is - what the hell was it to start all the mess, if there is no strength? The General Staff miscalculated? Question of the head starch: - where are the landings? Who specifically failed?
            And here you are - "a la' Solovyov", you sing songs about patriotism, such as war, and not your own, etc. Yes, not war, but a strange military operation ... War is when resources are blocked, there is no oil, gas no, the ports are closed, the "president's office", "rada" are covered with zircons. And so all this is clumsy ..... excuses.
        2. 0
          4 February 2023 23: 45
          Quote: Arbeiternegast
          The important thing is that the West will do its best to drag out this war with arms supplies, the purpose of which is completely clear today: the destruction of the Russian world does not matter under what banner.[/ I]

          Putin does not need to write a decree on a ban on supplies, but a decree on the demolition of all bridges and railway junction yards. And do not say that it is difficult and impossible. Khhl'lam managed to damage the Crimean bridge?
          Destroy bridges, junction stations, turn off the pumping of gas, oil, ammonia through Ukraine, officially close the ports of Ukraine (by aviation, if the MF cannot), and it will not drag on for a long time. But for this the will of the chief starch is needed, and above him, apparently, "business, nothing personal" ...

          This requires a resource. And it is not even enough for a very small Bakhmut.
    2. +4
      4 February 2023 16: 22
      Dzhugashvili is not on them {many many swear words}.
    3. +2
      4 February 2023 21: 00
      Well, if the progressive co-operation continues, then somewhere by the summer nuclear warheads will be delivered to Ukraine, but with the condition, no, no, according to Russia ..
    4. +3
      4 February 2023 21: 08
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      No political will

      Will by will, if there is too much strength ...
      So there are NO forces other than nuclear. They screwed up everything in Serdyukovshchina and Shoiguvshchina. Separately, I want to note, and the money was 0,6 trillion bucks, half of which just blew. And the time was, as much as 8 years ...
      But no, all the elites pissed off losing their minks in the west with the stolen here.
      1. +2
        4 February 2023 21: 14
        Quote: Zoer
        other than nuclear

        Do they exist? Given their secrecy, it is easiest to steal there.
    5. 0
      4 February 2023 23: 39
      It will really be everything. But without tiao, of course. This is what you overdid
    6. 0
      5 February 2023 18: 45
      And who threatened NATO to "gather money"? Maybe you shouldn't get into a fight that you don't know how to win, and most importantly you don't know why?
    7. +1
      5 February 2023 23: 35
      NATO does everything exactly what we (i.e. Putin) allows them to do


      It turns out that Putin "hold on" for 8 years and did not succumb to the "trick" of the West. And then he suddenly broke down and started the SVO, to which he was "forced"?
      And NATO is - rrraz! - and let's pump up Ukraine with weapons, which was not done before (before Putin fell for the trick).
      It turns out that the puppet government is not sitting in Kyiv at all? (sarcasm)
  2. +9
    4 February 2023 04: 48
    And Russia is still waiting for something... Again, Lavrov mumbles at a press conference, Putin is outraged by tanks with crosses....and the boys are dying!!! The central media are foaming at their mouths praising the president, but he is still waiting... Kursk was sunk - he waited 2 weeks, and that's where it all began: all politics came down to one thing "maybe it will resolve itself." Well, a person who positions himself as a macho, a former athlete, must, must he understand that you can’t achieve victory by defense alone? And if you get into a fight - hit! Does anyone really take red lines seriously? A global war cannot be avoided, therefore it is necessary to strike now, and in the USA and UK, because the decision-making centers are there, tomorrow it will be too late !!!
    1. -3
      4 February 2023 09: 47
      Based on your comment, there are several options.
      1. Get sober.
      2. Take a pill.
      3. Orderlies must turn off the Internet.
      1. +2
        4 February 2023 21: 31
        Dmitry! Agree; I'm only surprised that you were given cons! It turns out that someone likes the crazy proposals of couch strategists
        it is necessary to beat now, and in the USA and UK, because the decision-making centers are there, tomorrow it will be too late !!!
        ...
        1. 0
          7 February 2023 03: 26
          It turns out that someone likes the crazy proposals of couch strategists
          Sofa troops are the most merciless)). Although seriously, the "D" group brings a lot of benefits.
    2. +5
      4 February 2023 16: 27
      Well, a person who positions himself as a macho, a former athlete, must, must he understand that you can’t achieve victory by defense alone?

      This is gloss and husk behind which rot. Just like parade troops, where there are no banal radio stations.
      The "macho" used to have the nickname "Moth", it seems to me that it characterizes this character more. And what do you want from the "moth"? The moth does not fight predators, it's a scavenger hi
      1. -1
        5 February 2023 18: 58
        And yet, Moth orders you to go die, not you Moth.
    3. yho
      0
      4 February 2023 22: 23
      I wonder if you have already built a bunker underground for yourself?
    4. -1
      5 February 2023 18: 57
      So make a poster and go to the square to call to be around London
  3. +2
    4 February 2023 04: 57
    As with tanks, one thing is stated, but it will be exactly the opposite. As with the quantity.
    PS: There is a simple axiom from the military-industrial complex of the West - Weapons should fight for natural attrition and then there will be profit. The decline should not exceed the capabilities of the military-industrial complex to replenish stocks, therefore, simultaneous deliveries of large quantities of expensive (especially new) military equipment are impossible in principle. In view of this, their military-industrial complex (the main lobbyists of this war) are not interested in the victory of any of the parties to the conflict, including NATO.
    1. +14
      4 February 2023 05: 10
      And when we have priests, solvievs, kiselevs ... and at the same time Korotchenkovs, etc. Experts are mobilized not to scratch their tongues, but to fight like a man? It hurts to listen to them! Duma members there, officials of all stripes, athletes, artists ... Or are they untouchables? Perhaps then the self-destruction of the Slavs will end?
      1. 0
        4 February 2023 17: 43
        Uh, Daaragoy! This is possible only in the case of a total nix, when NATO tanks will be on the outskirts of Moscow and St. Petersburg. And this is impossible even according to their theoretical fabrications. We need Stalin, Dzerdzhinsky, Beria and Trotsky in one person. And an idiologist worse than Goebels .
      2. +2
        4 February 2023 20: 12
        Yeah, and this, whatever it is, Yurchik Sumsky, aka Podolyak ....
  4. +5
    4 February 2023 05: 06
    It's all the same, unfortunately. The towers, it seems to me, are either under external control, or they can no longer come up with anything other than empty statements. Their last hope is to make it to the US elections, but reasonable people understand that the anti-Russian policy is a constant and does not depend on the presidents.
    PS In the title of the article, the inaccuracy "think for a long time" - I would write "long discussion", because the appearance of discussion is one of the fakes of Western liberal regimes.
    1. +16
      4 February 2023 06: 29
      I think everyone remembers the GDP joke about grandparents, so time has shown that the grandmother is he ....!
      1. -1
        5 February 2023 19: 02
        Grandmother is a grandmother, and probably with dementia, but everyone listens to him and does as he said. And so it will be for a long time
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      1. +7
        4 February 2023 10: 53
        All criticism of the F-35, on the one hand, was true, but on the other ... here (and wherever they promote the slogan that the F-35 sucks) they modestly keep silent about the year when these defects were revealed and subsequent measures to eliminate them. And they went and go at full speed. There is not a single article on the current state of affairs with the F-35 in the Russian-speaking segment. All criticism of the aircraft froze on the 2018 Pentagon report.

        At the same time, Israel has no complaints at all about the Israeli version of the F-35. Just give me more. That is, we have problems primarily with the components of American / European production.
        1. +7
          4 February 2023 11: 05
          Quote from: blackGRAIL
          At the same time, Israel has no complaints at all about the Israeli version of the F-35

          In fact, there are claims to the F-35 only in the USA themselves :) To the cost of operation, the speed of repair, the supply of spare parts, etc. Those. not to the plane, but to those who serve it.
          So yes, people live some stories from the past. Now block 4 has gone into the series, respectively, there were 3 blocks before it. ~900 of them were produced, more than the Su-30/35 combined. New technology is always problematic. Let me remind you that the first serial Su-57 crashed altogether.
          1. +3
            4 February 2023 13: 32
            Quote from cold wind
            In fact, there are claims to the F-35 only in the USA themselves :) To the cost of operation, repair speed, supply of spare parts, etc.

            In fact, in the United States there are great interests to fuck Lockheed with Martin - therefore, there will always be criticism of the F-35 from the strangest positions ("bring back the F-5"). Sold the shares - issued a report - the shares fell - bought back - you count the profit.
        2. +4
          4 February 2023 23: 12
          We have problems with the technical and qualitative superiority of Western weapons. Skip the goofs. Nothing will change. You must have your own, and not, you understand me, show.! IMHO!
      2. +8
        4 February 2023 13: 36
        Quote from: skeptick2
        And then it suddenly turns out (judging by the article) that all NATO countries are simply burning with the desire to acquire this under-aircraft according to our comments and literally push each other with their elbows in line for it.

        The F-35 is the world's richest strike fighter. It is bought by everyone who the Americans allow to buy it. Whoever is not allowed - put his electronics on the F-15 and F-16, as far as possible. And it doesn’t even matter if it’s good or bad - it’s an industry standard, all new weapons, all new equipment is made primarily for it.
        Quote from: skeptick2
        The question arises: what can be trusted on this resource?

        For Western weapons on this resource, you can only trust individual commentators - 5 people at most.
  5. +1
    4 February 2023 05: 21
    And Israel has the F-16I, which is also in the process of being replaced by the F-35I. And if Iran's boast that they are about to buy the Su-30 and Mi-28 is not an empty phrase, then ... there will be something to answer. Especially if the old senile Biden pays, and he will pay, because material assistance to Israel, unlike Ukraine, is popular in all factions and chambers of Congress. Even knowledge of English is not required for training, there a quarter of our people will be explained in Russian, and it seems that in this case there will be no "no understanding".
    Yes, and finally supply Iran with what they need on their own the war SVO does not look very reasonable.
    1. +5
      4 February 2023 10: 02
      Quote: Nagan
      And Israel has the F-16I, which is also in the process of being replaced by the F-35I. And if Iran's boast that they are about to buy the Su-30 and Mi-28 is not an empty phrase, then ... there will be something to answer. Especially if the old senile Biden pays, and he will pay, because material assistance to Israel, unlike Ukraine, is popular in all factions and chambers of Congress. Even knowledge of English is not required for training, there a quarter of our people will be explained in Russian, and it seems that in this case there will be no "no understanding".
      Yes, and finally supply Iran with what they need on their own the war SVO does not look very reasonable.

      Are you joking? C-16I will be in service with the IDF until 2035. F-35s replace F-16A/B.
      1. 0
        4 February 2023 19: 00
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        F-35s replace F-16A/B.
        Maybe I got confused with mods. But for Banderostan and F-16A / B, it will be a sickly upgrade from half-dead MiG-29s, which are also running out.
        1. +2
          4 February 2023 21: 17
          The funny thing is that Israel did not supply a single cartridge to Ukraine, and why it was remembered is not clear. In general, where they are and this article is not clear, but apparently anti-Semitism haunts.
          1. 0
            5 February 2023 19: 05
            But put a lot of other interesting equipment. Does not shoot, but gives information where to shoot.
  6. -22
    4 February 2023 05: 22
    Conclusion .. A massive nuclear strike on Ukrainian cities must be delivered before the F-16 appears in its Air Force.
    1. +4
      4 February 2023 05: 25
      No need to escalate, cities are not a military target, but transport hubs and airfields are quite like that ...
    2. +9
      4 February 2023 10: 57
      This is a reinforced concrete way to lose the support of both India and China. Almost no country in the world will accept such a genocide of civilians. Even carpet bombing with napalm will be accepted, but this is not.
    3. -5
      4 February 2023 22: 26
      A blow to Ukrainian cities must be delivered before the F-16 appears in its Air Force

      Poor, unfortunate zaputintsy ... How is it possible to strike at the peaceful cities of Ukraine, but what are you talking about civilians (who feed, drink, dress the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at the same time supply the latter with shells, uniforms and overtake equipment to their positions) .. Here's what China and India will say (ps they won't say anything because, unlike the guarantor and his sect of fans, India and China somehow wanted to sneeze at the opinion of the West howling at the UN) ...
      Well, what kind of victory do we hope for in such cases, that's all who minus you and there is the notorious fifth column, which Ukraine is closer to the Russian Federation, even by its number it is clear that victory in this war is really not necessary for our layman with relatives and mistresses from Ukraine.
      What beats? What are you! Let those mobilized for grinding go from Siberia, they are not our people, unlike xoxls
    4. +1
      4 February 2023 22: 38
      Hit yourself in the head. So it will be better.
      1. 0
        4 February 2023 22: 40
        Hit yourself in the head. So it will be better.

        Do not be afraid of the sun at such a pace, if you live in the Russian Federation, you will be xoxly and they will inflict, though not your Ukrainian relatives with mistresses, I think they won’t even remember you ...
    5. +1
      4 February 2023 23: 54
      Quote: gsev
      Conclusion .. A massive nuclear strike on Ukrainian cities must be delivered before the F-16 appears in its Air Force.

      Liberation through total annihilation. But the Russian people in these same cities will certainly approve of this difficult decision.
  7. +6
    4 February 2023 05: 26
    Let Pu and co continue to chew snot, but at least silently, and not disgrace a country with a great history, with their "purple lines". Sooner or later, a big war (not the third world war) will begin, the end of which will be either the liquidation of Russia as a state, or a thermonuclear collapse - there is very little time left until the point of no return, unfortunately.
    1. +9
      4 February 2023 05: 37
      Yes, the war is already underway, it's just that the West is not going to substitute itself - and everything is done by proxy.
      PS We will lose this war because, appealing to the great past, we do not understand that we today are in many ways unworthy of it.
      1. -4
        4 February 2023 07: 25
        Deep... what Especially PySy - already itching in the pope. Only now I don’t understand why we, the current squalor (if I understand correctly) will fail, appealing to our great past? And about the war ... Well, you are a direct captain, evidence, honestly. It’s good that they wrote it, otherwise we are orphans and miserable, we didn’t even guess. I dare to say that war is not a competition or a sporting event, in a war you can WIN or LOSE.
        1. +19
          4 February 2023 08: 00
          Because the screamers "victory will be ours", "I believe in victory" (and such an overwhelming majority) cannot answer the question, why will we win? How do they imagine this victory? And references begin either to 1945 or to 1812 ...
          1. +11
            4 February 2023 09: 30
            I completely agree with you about this. They draw analogies between historical events of a completely different nature.
            1. 0
              5 February 2023 19: 08
              There were also other countries and technologies .... But those are trifles, most importantly the "spirit" and other immeasurable things.
          2. +4
            4 February 2023 11: 00
            At the same time, not even silent, but sincerely not realizing that in 1812 and in 1941/45 everyone was at the front. There were no spectators. That is why they won then.
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          3. yho
            -1
            4 February 2023 22: 30
            Moreover, the screamers themselves are not eager to personally go to the front. But, for money, they are ready to tear their throats.
      2. +5
        4 February 2023 14: 37
        Yes, the point is not in an appeal to the past (although in itself a sign of weakness, having no modern merits - we recall the merits of the past), but in the fact that the NWO has begun to put pressure on our economy and the military-industrial complex. But the economy of the NATO countries had almost no effect. And at the same time, in the course of the NMD, we suffer losses, but they do not suffer losses, but they gradually weaken the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and themselves learn more and more about our army as a system.
    2. +6
      4 February 2023 18: 21
      Quote: Sergey028
      Let Pu and co continue to chew snot, but at least silently, and not disgrace a country with a great history, with their "purple lines

      It's just that our "great" leadership thought that the West would jump in to help Ukraine to the fullest. But the West did not give up. But our pants were soaked to the fullest. Western politicians' eggs turned out to be ironier.
  8. +7
    4 February 2023 05: 47
    How will our army fight the F-16 if they appear on the battlefield?
    How will our army fight in the event of the massive use of Western tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, aircraft, artillery ... this issue may soon become at the forefront ... the threat is growing ... it becomes obvious before our eyes.
    We won't get off easily when the conflict drags on.
    1. +3
      4 February 2023 18: 24
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      We won't get off easily when the conflict drags on.

      In any case, there will no longer be such dashing raids on Caliber. Since the AWACS will see everything, the F-16s immediately rise into the air and will shoot them down. Everything, finita-la comedy - our freebie for the destruction of energy is ending. And it didn’t even come to the destruction of bridges and other transport infrastructure, they lasted ...
      1. +4
        4 February 2023 21: 20
        M..yes, one can only admire how talented the leadership of Russia pretends to be a patient! That's just interesting - and then what?
        1. -1
          5 February 2023 19: 11
          And so it will continue. You endure (them), and they endure.
    2. -1
      5 February 2023 19: 10
      And now you think you can easily get off? But as? Say "oh, fought and that's enough?"
  9. +3
    4 February 2023 06: 04
    F-16 will be after the suppression of Russian air defense, at least at the front.
    1. +2
      4 February 2023 09: 52
      It's not connected in any way. It is very difficult to suppress air defense. The army air defense of Ukraine, despite the fact that a bunch of everything was taken out of it to cover cities, is still active, and not at the level of MANPADS / Stormers, but at the level of Bukov and S300.

      Moreover, the F-16s were just designed on a regular basis - by air defense suppressors. Well, a rich choice of ASP - allows them to strike without going into the radius of destruction of air defense.
      1. +3
        4 February 2023 11: 18
        The F-16 was not designed as an air defense suppression aircraft. SEAD aircraft are specialized versions of "regular" aircraft such as the EA-6B, EF-111A Rave, EA-18G Growler or MiG-25BM. The F-16 also has this version: F-16CJ/DJ.

        This does not mean that other aircraft cannot be anti-aircraft, HARM can be attached to almost any Western fighter. Here, the question is more about the means of detection, reconnaissance, ammunition, which allow hitting air defense without entering its zone of action and the speed of interaction of these means with each other.
    2. +2
      4 February 2023 13: 29
      Quote: ximkim
      F-16 will be after the suppression of Russian air defense, at least at the front.

      What for?

      The task of suppressing air defense is quite difficult, it requires a lot of effort. Several dozen aircraft can work differently - and be very useful. The Russian Aerospace Forces demonstrate this to the best of their modest abilities.
  10. 0
    4 February 2023 07: 13
    Sorry Roman, but this:
    Nothing personal, just business.

    Oddly enough, it also applies to some Russian legal entities.
    As for tactical nuclear weapons, its use is determined by the nuclear doctrine of the Russian Federation, and not a single bastard has the right to indicate, much less demand that the Russian president comply with any rules. Especially those same bastards who planned their actions in the event (YOU END OF WWII !!!) Hitler's defeat.
    And our president has the right to change the provisions of military doctrine. it remains only to determine the need for this and the significance of the impact of certain types of weapons.
    As soon as the streams of corpses go home as a sponsor, as soon as the equipment is destroyed before arriving at the front, when the transport system of Ukraine ceases to exist, it will begin ...
  11. +8
    4 February 2023 07: 14
    Nothing is uneven. Where is the "Derivation of the SV" she is the Yenisei? The creatures are fucked up from the people's good.! They can only steal,
  12. -11
    4 February 2023 07: 32
    Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
    And when we have priests, solvievs, kiselevs ... and at the same time Korotchenkovs, etc. Experts are mobilized not to scratch their tongues, but to fight like a man? It hurts to listen to them! Duma members there, officials of all stripes, athletes, artists ... Or are they untouchables? Perhaps then the self-destruction of the Slavs will end?

    And is it weak to mobilize yourself? What is there to express one's dissatisfaction, maybe even fair. WHAT DID YOU DO? After all, the Motherland is in danger. If all of you dissatisfied got into the box like the above talking heads, it would be exactly the same. Tolkr everyone would hate you now.
    1. +19
      4 February 2023 10: 37
      And is it weak to mobilize yourself?

      Weak. Due to the fact that what has been happening over the past year, in the military, political, and economic spheres, to put it mildly, raises a lot of questions. And some - frankly dumbfounded .. For SO - they don’t fight ..

      To participate voluntarily in shnyaga incomprehensible to anyone - somehow there is no special desire. Not those years. Exposing your forehead to bullets for someone else's business interests - thank you, sir ..

      As for the danger to the Motherland - and who brought it to such a state? And this someone - admitted at least one of his mistakes? Did you do much to fix them? That's the same..

      After all, these are all the same people who dumped the Russian Spring into the toilet 8 years ago. Who did not lift a finger to prevent the banderlogs from getting so much stronger .. Who all these years have been doing a sickly business with the local junta, no matter what. Yes, and now they seem to be doing ..

      And we must again pull the Motherland out of the ass. At the cost of their lives. No guys, that's not going to work. In Rus', there has always been an iron principle - everyone fights. both the people and the elite. No matter what. And if the elite does not want to do this, it means that something is wrong with us. With this type of elite, it is impossible to win.

      The Russian elite has always fought in the forefront. And under the Terrible Tsar, and under Peter the Great, and during the invasion of Bonaparte, and under the Bolsheviks in the Patriotic War. That is why Russia won - the largest ones set a personal example for the people and led them along. Not sparing yourself. And the new ones? Schaz! So this is bullshit, not the elite. Hence the results. What is the pop - such is the arrival ..
      1. -13
        4 February 2023 12: 19
        The easiest thing to blame on the authorities, learn from the Americans, if the enterprise closes or they pay little, a person gets a job in another, leaves for another city, country and does not squeal: where you look. I am amazed by the critics of our government, but as soon as they themselves somehow get there, they do even more, it’s like hazing, only rare REAL people don’t do what they did to them. And about power again, it’s like with a wife if you constantly grumble how worthless she is, people may ask what kind of stupid person you are that you continue to live with her. Start over with yourself.
        1. +11
          4 February 2023 14: 07
          Quote: alexey_444
          Start over with yourself.
          What to start with yourself? The points. Well, like "do not steal" (I do not steal), "I do not take bribes" (I do not take), etc.
        2. +4
          5 February 2023 02: 42
          The easiest thing to blame on power

          And you, the sun, for your homeland, for Putin, are already in the trenches of the NWO, or are you lying on the couch building up fat, and telling the people how they should give their lives to the ungrateful for you and the oligarchs?
      2. 0
        5 February 2023 21: 44
        Quite right. I’ll add that this imperialist war is being waged in the interests of the ruling class. And I personally don’t smile at dying for yachts and mistresses of the oligarchs. And all these slogans about the “homeland”, patriotism” are for suckers.
    2. +6
      4 February 2023 14: 05
      Quote: Kapany3
      And is it weak to mobilize yourself?
      Yes? And plug their holes with your blood and save their wealth? No, first they, let them go on the attack, and only when those responsible for the current situation, officials, billionaires, deputies, senators, edinoros (United Russia, go ahead!) the rest of the population. And then the main beneficiaries are not at all going to protect their own interests, but actively force others.
  13. +19
    4 February 2023 08: 12
    I don't understand. everyone is unhappy. In response to the supply of tanks and aircraft to Ukraine, Russia is increasing gas supplies to the West. This information is not even hidden.
    Live in fact. Remember that Nabiullina did not even lose her job, also giving the West billions. Don't forget Buchu. Stars of heroes to generals for retreats.. Do you still believe TV? But in vain. Power lives on another planet and plays chess with your lives.
    1. +2
      4 February 2023 09: 33
      Dear Gardamir!! There is a joke about sperm in a condom, very similar to today's situation ..... feel
  14. +4
    4 February 2023 11: 54
    The further the Ukrainian conflict becomes more like the Korean War.
    Therefore, a "million Chinese volunteers" in the form of regular Polish units and a "Pokryshkin corps" in the form of aviation units of NATO countries must also appear on the other side.
    Therefore, I really want to believe in a miracle that ours will be able to carry out a major offensive operation to defeat the enemy before all these things appear.
    1. +2
      4 February 2023 13: 26
      Quote: certero
      Therefore, a "million Chinese volunteers" in the form of regular Polish units and a "Pokryshkin corps" in the form of aviation units of NATO countries must also appear on the other side.

      Unlikely. If there are many places where NATO can resolve issues without unnecessary "escalation", if such a desire appears.
    2. +2
      4 February 2023 18: 31
      Quote: certero
      Therefore, I really want to believe in a miracle that ours will be able to carry out a major offensive operation to defeat the enemy before all these things appear.

      All these things appear there very quickly. But we, as it turned out, do not know how to fight quickly.
  15. -5
    4 February 2023 12: 09
    Let's finish with the red lines, during the Cold War, our pilots shot down American ones, and then we had few vigorous bombs and there was still no nuclear war. The above list of combat-ready aircraft of the outskirts, but how many were in storage? Hundreds, but Kanashenkov is lying, but maybe thirty percent no more. As for the f-16, these are very expensive toys, and most importantly, what kind of exhaust? Not only are these tens of billions, comparable to all US military assistance for this year to the outskirts, but what will they give? Shooting down a cruise missile is not so easy, you can quote commercials for American missiles as much as you like, but in life this is 10% true, and it’s possible that several of our planes will be hit, but it’s clearly not worth the money. Read the instructions for taking off on the f-16, quite a laborious action, Israel began to exploit them when the Arabs no longer had the opportunity to hit airfields. Yes, a dozen can be hidden, but they will quickly run out and there is no sense. And the price of the issue, it’s one thing to launch our missiles in a free instant-29, another thing is f-16, it will be cheaper to fire 4 S-400 missiles into it.
    1. +7
      4 February 2023 13: 20
      Quote: alexey_444
      As for the f-16, these are very expensive toys, and most importantly, what kind of exhaust? Not only is it tens of billions,

      A used falcon costs thirty, the Romanians recently snatched a total of ten 32 pieces from the Norwegians. So the starting squadron will cost well, a billion with a supply of weapons. By today's standards, it's quite affordable. Yes, the residual resource may be small. but for a special period, the resource is not so important.
      Quote: alexey_444
      what will they give?

      They will give, dear friend, the opportunity to use any NATO air weapons - as soon as it is considered politically acceptable. About air defense here the conversation is more out of courtesy.
      Quote: alexey_444
      Yes, a dozen can be hidden, but they will quickly run out and there is no point.

      These are related questions. Of course, the emergence of modern aviation implies the emergence of a high-class air defense bush. Without its own air defense, aviation will not work for a long time.
  16. +4
    4 February 2023 14: 14
    "The West will by all means drag out this war, the purpose of which is completely clear today: the destruction of the Russian world does not matter under what sign." - do not dramatize. The purpose of this war is to help Ukraine return its territories within internationally recognized borders.
    1. +1
      5 February 2023 00: 25
      The purpose of this war is to help Ukraine return its territories within internationally recognized borders.

      This statement is either naivete on the verge of cognitive disability, or a clumsy agitation in favor of the "civilized Western world."
  17. -2
    4 February 2023 15: 42
    Well, here is an opinion from the expanses of Telegram:

    “I flew the F-16 on the first day. I tried the car, I liked the car. But in terms of performance, of course, the Su-27 is much inferior. Americans in English call "dogfight" - this is "dog dump". We have this close-range air combat. Everything will come to this anyway. Well, here the Su-27 is king. There is nowhere to go."

    The pilot of the Ukrainian counter forces, Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Fisher, probably knew that the Russians had not only the Su-27, but also the means against it. He was shot down and died at the beginning of the summer of 2022.
    1. +2
      4 February 2023 22: 08
      The F-16 is strong not in close combat, but in ground strikes.
      A variety of accurate weapons.
      A volley of one F-16 on the ground can be compared to 6 strikes
      large kamikaze drones or KR ..
  18. +5
    4 February 2023 22: 05
    "Especially considering that the Netherlands will receive their F-35s before Poland" ///
    ----
    Already received 24 pieces out of 52 ordered
  19. +3
    4 February 2023 22: 45
    To be honest, it's a pity now to look at the attempts of indignation on the part of our top officials ... They seem to be at a loss, they understand that everything is flying like a snowball, getting worse and worse. One day it will come to them that Washington, London, Paris, Warsaw and others will not stumble until they drive Moscow into a corner. And then either a shameful truce on the terms of the West or the use of tact. nuclear charges on airfields, railway stations and bases of Ukraine. That is, the end of the NWO and the beginning of the third world war.
  20. yho
    -2
    4 February 2023 23: 14
    F-16 "Fighting Falcon", which translates as "fighting falcon" and a falcon against the sky on the coat of arms of Ukraine. How symbolic...
  21. +4
    5 February 2023 00: 22
    And what is there to think about. Of course, Ukraine will be given everything. Russia cannot win a conventional war against the West, because there is a much greater economic and mobilization potential. Therefore, sooner or later we will have to fight with nuclear weapons. Everything seems to be steadily heading towards a big war, and those who think that they are afraid of it are mistaken. They are not afraid, because they saw a "hole" in our air defense. Our glorious air defense shoots far, but sees low-flying targets for 25-30 km, so there is no sense in their range without high-altitude guidance means. Ukrainian "Swifts" clearly demonstrated this. Therefore, a global disarming strike by thousands of low-flying cruise missiles is more real than ever. It's actually quite a scary situation. In such cases, it is necessary to strike first with all available means and on all unfriendly states at the same time - maybe then at least part of Russia will survive. Well, you don’t want a big war right away, test the enemy. To begin with, declare unfriendly countries as parties to the conflict, consistently break off diplomatic relations with them. If you do not flinch, launch a stratospheric probe with nuclear charges over the territory of unfriendly countries to begin with. And if you couldn’t create such a miracle as the Chinese, start consistently destroying the NATO satellite constellation above our head with Peresvet, Zadir, S-500, or simply special nuclear charges developed for these purposes back in the USSR. A war in space is reversible, since it does not involve human casualties, it will prevent a massive attack by cruise missiles, since NATO will lose "eyes and ears." In any case, it is necessary to start a big war with it (the war in space), if all these measures have not brought the sworn partners to their senses. Most of all, in this situation, the significant faces and the complete impotence of those who should demonstrate decisive actions are outraged. It seems that along with the collapse of communism, the brains of the Russian elite also fell apart.
    1. 0
      5 February 2023 18: 08
      I wrote several times about the use of nuclear weapons. Almost always I was downvoted. Finally, the supreme commander hinted in Stalingrad that we would fight, in which case, not only with tanks. So I will repeat my theory of a nuclear strike. For some reason, the use of nuclear weapons by Russia is considered in terms of a strike on Western Europe, i.e. for NATO? With what fright? We are not at war with Western Europe! I believe that a nuclear strike is possible only against Ukraine, and then on a limited scale, not massive. There is no reason to receive a nuclear strike from the United States in response. Stage one - a nuclear warning to Kyiv and NATO. This is a powerful stratospheric thermonuclear explosion over Kyiv, which would not harm people, but would disable part of the electronics with an electromagnetic pulse, and maybe somewhere the glass would crack or spill out. Following a missile attack, it would be necessary to disable the air defense, which still remains. Further, a massive raid of bombers with electronic warfare equipment and heavy bombs to disable all Kyiv bridges, the hydroelectric dam, and important defense facilities. Next, issue an ultimatum. If it didn’t work, then tactical nuclear charges would destroy key infrastructure facilities, including bridges, tunnels, railway hubs in the rest of Ukraine.
      And lastly, the West is unlikely to use nuclear weapons for Ukraine. Your shirt is closer to your body. Everyone wants to live, even the leadership of Ukraine.
  22. +1
    5 February 2023 07: 32
    Quote: BorzRio
    To be honest, it's a pity now to look at the attempts of indignation on the part of our top officials ... They seem to be at a loss, they understand that everything is flying like a snowball, getting worse and worse. One day it will come to them that Washington, London, Paris, Warsaw and others will not stumble until they drive Moscow into a corner. And then either a shameful truce on the terms of the West or the use of tact. nuclear charges on airfields, railway stations and bases of Ukraine. That is, the end of the NWO and the beginning of the third world war.

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    D they will not start a third world war, in return. They are more afraid of dying in bulk. Moreover, what is the point of holding back the main forces of the personnel army of the Russian Federation? When there are nuclear weapons. All that is needed is decisiveness ... The longer the delay in the NWO, the more effectively the West will unleash its military-industrial complex. And who will be worse then?.. This time, unlike the 2nd World War, no one will help Russia. Those. prepare shock fists, then announce that we are starting a strategic operation with access to the 1991 borders. On the intervention of Western countries, we will strike with nuclear weapons, preventively, without warning ...
    The only sacred thought sometimes creeps in: "maybe that not everything is fine with this very nuclear weapon"? And they are only scared for propaganda purposes
    1. -1
      5 February 2023 18: 17
      Once again I will write about nuclear weapons. If you hit only important targets with tactical nuclear weapons and only Ukraine, NATO will have no reason to respond with a nuclear war.
      1. 0
        6 February 2023 07: 35
        Small correction. You can't hit with tactical nuclear weapons. This is the dream of the Pentagon - a limited nuclear war in an overseas theater of operations. With tactical nuclear weapons, there will certainly be an answer.
        But when covering targets in Ukraine with strategic submarine-based nuclear weapons from the expanses of the world's oceans, they will never fly. The most important thing is to ensure the stealth of the Boreev deployment. And it is necessary to use nuclear weapons precisely on bridges with the maximum allowable detonation height, on the eve of our general offensive (and we need to prepare for it). Then all the shock units of the enemy can be swept away like a fumigated swarm, completely liberate the temporarily occupied territory of the USSR and carry out REAL denazification on this territory.
  23. 0
    5 February 2023 17: 34
    Aus alldem kann man nur EINEN Schluss ziehen, nämlich dass es absolut
    fatal und eine Sünde wäre, zu einem wie auch immer gearteten Ergebnis,
    sei es nun Friede, oder vollkommene Escalation zu kommen, ohne auch
    die Vereinigten Staaten vorher massiv militärisch selbst zu treffen!!
    Nur wenn auch die USA und kollektiv das ganze Land Nordamerika
    massiv und nachhaltig schwer betroffen ist, kann man auf mögliche,
    zukünftige Vereinbarungen auf dauerhaft friedliche Lösungen hoffen!!

    Es ware buchstablich unertraglich, wenn dieser Krieg enden würde,
    ohne dass auch THE, die diese ganze Schweinerei angezettelt haben
    ihren (großen!!) Anteil an Zerstörung, Mord- und Totschlag ebenfalls
    abbekommen, denn sonst geht das Ganze nach ein paar Jahren unter
    Garantie wieder von vorne los!! Das haben wir ja gerade erlebt!!

    Wer dauerhaft Frieden in Europa will, der darf die Angelsachsen
    dieses mal nicht einfach mit ein paar Fetzen unterschriebenen
    Papiers davon kommen lassen, sondern muß vorher massive
    Schläge gegen Polen (!!), Großbritanien, Frankreich, Deutschland,
    Bulgarien, Rumänien und vor allem die USA ausführen, sonst war
    all das Leid und die tausenden und abertausenden Toten und
    verletzten Russen und Ukraineer und all die Zerstörung hier
    völlig umsonst...!!
    Die Lieferung von Panzern und Kampfflugzeugen an die Ukraine
    is DIE GELEGENHEIT, einen einmaligen, kompakten und massiven
    Schlag zu führen, gerade genug, dass es sich die US-Gangster mehr
    als zweimal überlegen werden, ob sie ihre Vollige Vernichtung due to
    einen atomaren Gegenschlag wirklich riskieren wollen...!!

    Nur wenn Russland so und nicht anders handelt, besteht eine
    echte Chance dauerhaft in Frieden, wenn auch nicht gerade in
    großartiger Koexistenz mit dem Westen zu leben! Ich bin peace
    ganz sicher, dass auch die USA and GB in typisch angelsächsischer
    Dummheit derartige Überlegungen mit Russland als Ziel anstellen...!!
  24. 0
    5 February 2023 17: 55
    Quote: DmitriiVP
    The army fights with what it has and uses the resources available to it, while not burning with the desire to ruin the Aerospace Forces for the sake of someone's wishes.

    Marvelous! It turns out to deprive the Armed Forces of the supply of equipment and ammunition by bombing the railway infrastructure on the border of Ukraine, which is quite possible for the army, recognized as the second strongest among the armies of the world, is someone's Wishlist!!! And let the West drive and drive equipment to Bandera in an ever-increasing volume and nomenclature, so that our Armed Forces "grind" it on the front line with all the ensuing consequences. And someone who has so far prevented such an operation, considering it a dangerous wishlist, since it obviously interfered with their interests, will be pleased!
  25. 0
    6 February 2023 14: 32
    I have no doubt that they will. But where will the base be? It will be either in Moldova, Poland, Tribaltika.
    - if you hit them, then a conflict with NATO is possible
    - if you do not strike, then we will not be allowed to work near the borders and next to the EU. And there will be Hymers and others like them .... and there will be so many F16s and Avaxes that our Air Force will not be enough for us.
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  26. Eug
    0
    11 February 2023 15: 12
    A very profitable replacement for the outdated F-16s with modern, but very problematic F-35s. But they want to .. With regards to combat use - I think it will be very problematic to prepare the runway for the operation of the F-16, our gaps and differences between the plates may not fall in love with the rather fragile F-16 chassis. It is impossible to hide the preparation of at least the runway for F-16 flights - there will also be garbage removed almost before every flight, unmasking is obvious, but the giraffe is big ... In some review on another resource, they spoke in the sense that from Western aircraft would be most suitable for Ukraine with the F-18 with its chassis adapted for landing on an aircraft carrier, since the F-16 is being delivered, it means that, as for me, they do not count on long-term operation ..
  27. 0
    April 6 2023 21: 54
    How much can you write
    "in Ukraine"?!
    Where does a citizen of Russia get this suburban newspeak from? The author covers the topics that are relevant and writes interestingly, but why is it necessary to distort your own Russian language in the manner of the enemy.
    It was and is, and no one has canceled, when speaking in Russian about Ukraine, use the preposition "na". "On Ukraine".