Victory quadcopters

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Victory quadcopters
Mavic 2 from DJI. Such copters often determine the outcome of the battle


The special operation in Ukraine showed the enormous importance of seemingly non-military small-sized unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), such as the Mavic manufactured by the Chinese company DJI and others (Phantom, Matrice, etc.). These small civilian vehicles have become a decisive tactical factor in victory or defeat in battle.



Armed Forces of Ukraine, whose personnel in the initial periods of the conflict were equipped with such drones much better than units of the RF Armed Forces, they were able to inflict very sensitive losses on our troops simply due to many times better control of the situation.

Russia at the time of the outbreak of the conflict had nothing of the kind in service. Our troops had a certain number of aircraft-type UAVs, such as Orlan-10, Orlan-30, Outpost, Tachyon and others, but there are no UAV services in companies or battalions, they begin at the level of brigades and above, and in fact our army came to the blind special operation at the grassroots level of the organization.

In addition, the losses of large "birds" were very high.

Under conditions of imminent military defeat and a storm of discontent below, the command of the RF Armed Forces allowed civilian volunteers to transfer quadrocopters to military units, removed bureaucratic barriers to their centralized purchases, carried out such, and today, in terms of equipment with copters, the bulk of our units are at least not inferior to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

However, it's too early to rejoice.

There are many problems associated with the supply and use of copters, which can no longer be hushed up.

This article will highlight some of them, those that require either immediate solutions or the immediate start of work to create a reserve for the future - the latter is no less important than the special operation in Ukraine, because in the future we face risks that we cannot cope with if we stay with commercial UAVs.

And if you do not start the necessary work now, then you can simply not be in time.

Volunteer deliveries and uniform standards


The first and very important issue is in what form the copters are delivered to the front.

Usually, even a small drone has a transponder that allows anyone with the appropriate equipment (the so-called “aeroscope”, for example) to determine the presence of a “civilian” UAV nearby, and its actual coordinates, and most importantly, the coordinates of the operator.

In addition to the transponder, there are software vulnerabilities (can be disabled) that allow the enemy to suppress the drone, there is a light alarm that makes it visible in the dark, there are operating modes in which the drone is a noticeable source of electromagnetic radiation.

This can be avoided.

For these reasons, the quadcopter must be reprogrammed without fail before it gets to the front line.

And in the same way, it is necessary to carefully select the tablets or smartphones from which they are controlled, and correctly create accounts for the copter.

Currently, there are no generally accepted standards in the preparation drones no.

Most often, volunteers simply transfer them to the troops, and, fortunately, if the user has heard about all of the above.

In Russia, there are also many volunteer organizations that more or less streamline the process of transferring drones, for example, the Veche International Public Organization delivers them to the troops en masse, and, for example, the company of Vladislav Lobaev Lobaev Arms engaged in the modernization of software copters.

There are other groups and specialists capable of reprogramming a drone for the front line.

It stands alone "Coordination Center for Aid to Novorossia", KCPN, and that's why. Drones are given there along with operator training.

The latter is very important, a copter in war does not exist on its own, it is an element of a military organization, which means that it must be included in this organization, and the corresponding tactics of use. In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have achieved considerable success in hunting copter operators, and today they require special training.

It is also needed in order to instantly determine the fact of work on the drone of Ukrainian electronic warfare equipment and take countermeasures in time (for obvious reasons, we will keep silent about their content).


An instructor with a copter control panel on an armored personnel carrier during the training process. Photo: KCPN

In addition to the basics of UAV operation, the basic training course of the KCPN usually includes work with third-party applications that provide communication at the front, the basics of electronic warfare, the basics of electronic warfare, artillery and topographic training, as well as skills for independent modernization of the drone, including using reset systems.


Assembling the reset system from the copter. Photo: KCPN

Each course is developed according to the needs of the students. After training, instructors share relevant information about UAV settings with students, promptly notifying the front about new ways to suppress UAVs and counteract this.

KCPN has a group of instructors, including those with combat experience, who are able to train a large number of people, and these instructors are working at full strength.

The second thing that is important is working with software - on smartphones or tablets there is only safe software tested in battles, each drone has its own "account" in order not to become a workable unit in the hands of the enemy in case of capture (drones, "firmware » at the KCPN, when captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are only suitable for spare parts, they cannot be used as complete ones).

During modernization before being transferred to the troops, each side is configured depending on the needs of the type of troops and for the combat missions of a particular operator.

Objectively, today it is the standards of the KCPN that are what everyone should strive for, who is preparing drones for work on the front line, and not just transferring them to the troops.


There is training. Photo: KCPN

Even if some structure is technically unable to conduct training, then the correct upgrade of the software for the copter and controls (smartphone, tablet) is mandatory.

For all those who are preparing copters for NWO, it's time to start coordinating their actions with each other from a technical point of view, this moment has come.

Without pointing the finger at anyone, let's say that the race for quantity is good here only as long as it does not conflict with quality, because the life of the operator, and the outcome of the battle, and the outcome of the war, ultimately depend on the latter.

Unfortunately, there have already been extremely bad precedents about quality.

Participants in the process of preparing copters should come to a single level of their work as quickly as possible, and take as a model the “level” of KCPN - the optimal solution, just at least in order not to “reinvent the wheel”.

For the sake of our common victory, it's time for everyone who prepares Maviks and similar equipment for battles to unite.

Software problem


The second most important issue is getting access to the “core” of the software used by imported drones.

The survivability of the copter and the time of its withdrawal to the area of ​​​​combat use are very dependent on its flight performance. And they are limited programmatically in modern copters.

Alas, but the software is closed, it is impossible to eliminate software locks by simple and affordable means. A seditious idea that the suppliers of these UAVs will not like much, but it needs to be voiced - you need access to the code.

It's much harder to do than it is to write.

Manufacturers carefully keep their secrets, moreover, software updates may in some cases require an electronic digital signature, and even more than one, which will complicate the task by many orders of magnitude.

Generally speaking, in principle, there is no guarantee that obtaining such access is possible.
But it is necessary - the party that can regulate the drones' limited software parameters will receive a serious qualitative advantage over the one that does not have such an opportunity.

While the question is open, the complexity of the task is incredible, on the other hand, no one really tried to do this.

It is necessary to carefully, without disclosing the ongoing work, and especially its results (if any), try to obtain the necessary information. Someone has to take it upon themselves.

Organizational issue


Quadcopters are means of reconnaissance and artillery fire adjustment at a very shallow depth. Theoretically, for the artillery of a brigade or division, not to mention the command of a corps, means with a greater range are needed, which can only be provided by a vehicle with wings.

And the commanders of battalion groups or even battalions with their artillery also need just such vehicles.

The same KCPN is trying to do this, but so far single copies are still flying.
The domestic military-industrial complex, alas, cannot cope with the required volumes, although drones are being produced, and even seemingly (but this is not accurate) on a growing scale.

Can volunteer organizations help here?

The question is multifaceted.

On the one hand, there is limited but positive experience of KCPN with aircraft-type UAVs.

There is the experience of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which turned Chinese commercial aircraft-type drones with wings into projectiles, which means they could turn them into something else.

There are Chinese manufacturers of various commercial drones with wings, with a payload of tens and even hundreds of kilograms, from which a military vehicle could be built, setting the appropriate load and replacing the control system with something with sufficient security.

There are components for free sale, although not top-end in terms of parameters.

That is, from an organizational and technical point of view, there are “components of success”.

What is missing?

And here we have another side.

First, there is not enough money. It is expensive, disproportionately more expensive than copters, and the point here is not only the price of the aircraft (although it is also in it).

The copter and everything necessary for it is carried by one person, he also controls it.

For a “bird” capable of carrying, for example, fifty kilograms of reconnaissance equipment, much more is needed, both people and equipment, vehicles, and much more. And this is money.

And, as usual, there is a "second".

What if sponsors who want to make sure that a unit of the Russian army does not wait for the standard "Orlans" to be "filled" with a generous hand, but receive everything at once, like, for example, digital radio stations, take and finance the project of expanding the production of their "partisan" winged drones or re-equipment of Chinese? Will something come of this?

Not today.

The problem is the following. Under the conditional "Mavic" it is not necessary to introduce new states, a fighter or a platoon or company commander himself can control it. Under a car with wings, an unmanned service is immediately needed aviation, positions and positions that can be included in the payroll, and so on. And questions of the organizational and staffing structure in our country go through the General Staff.

And this means that for the mass of parts of the Russian army, including all newly formed "motorized rifle regiments of territorial defense" (de facto infantry without heavy weapons and transport), must be obtained through the General Staff of the states in which the presence of the UAV service would be provided.

To understand the complexity of the issue - in one of those formed a few years before the start of a special military operation tank there are still no divisions of the UAV service, which cost the division very heavy losses after February 2022.

Since then, things are still there, however, the division command managed to form an ersatz service, led by a whole sergeant (per division!) And copters instead of “birds”, without getting a new staffing table, but by the will of someone of the higher-ranking officers, this sergeant is now already at home, and what will happen to the drones there is not entirely clear.

In the new foot "motorized rifle" regiments, the situation is often even worse.

Without simplifying the formation of new staff units in the units and subunits, the task of giving UAV troops a more or less long range will be unsolvable - they can only be had where they were once “allowed” by the organizational and staff structure, and nowhere else. And it doesn't matter if they are needed or not, they will not be, and that's it.


Chinese civilian cargo UAV with a payload capacity of up to 150 kg. Photo: uavstar.com


Launch of a Chinese civilian transport drone with a payload of up to 150 kg. Such UAVs also have military applications, with some modifications.

It is impossible for us today to solve something with all this through the General Staff for a period calculated at least in months, not years. Yes, and over the years it may not be possible. It must be changed in some way. The problem of our bone and clumsy structure must be solved, and solved quickly.

A little bit about the future


You can not reassure yourself with the fact that now "Maviks", "Phantoms", "Matrices" and similar devices have become more or less enough in well-coordinated and long-standing warring units.

Two things must be clearly understood.

The first is that all this is at the mercy of the PRC, if relations with China “cool down” a little, and with all these copters, problems of any scale, even unsolvable, can begin.

The second - out of touch with the position of China, in a clash with NATO or a country that is a member of it, or with any country that has technical capabilities comparable to the NATO average, all this non-military, in fact, equipment simply will not work.

The Russian region needs to sharply increase the production of conventional, “large” drones, and establish the production of copters that could be used, starting from the squad level and above - in platoons, companies and battalions (in the latter case, plus vehicles with wings).

Moreover, as shown in the article "How to prepare for a future war, not the last", small UAVs will be destroyed by a technically advanced enemy simply in huge numbers, and our enemies are technically ready for this.

This means, as it was said earlier, that the copter will become a consumable, which will inevitably require its reduction in price. Which is impossible without some, if not simplification, then, so to speak, coarsening of the design and optimization of performance characteristics.

But the most important thing is that the design must be domestic, and the software must also be domestic.

Everything will be difficult here.

Firstly, at the moment, no components for copters are produced in Russia.

Secondly, there is no element base. For copters, this is a serious issue, their flight performance depends on how much the control electronics weigh. The example of drones from DJI is just very indicative here, according to some experts, the company partially uses a custom-made element base, designed specifically for the order.

The same applies to optics - those cameras that the Chinese use on their copters are unreproducible in Russia.

Russia will not be able to quickly fill its gaps in the production of components, in addition, when designing its own copters, it will initially have to use only those components that have analogues that are relatively freely circulating on the world market, and for the subsequent import substitution of which sometime in the future there is at least some chance.

Today, there are many examples of attempts to assemble a domestic copter. In order not to shine ahead of time on the participants in the process, we will give only one example - a device from ZALA, the development of which began back in 2021.

Attempt, on the one hand, not the most successful.

But, firstly, you need to start at least assembling any copters at home, just to start, having in plans (not in dreams and PR campaigns, but in well-developed plans) at least partial localization in the future.

And secondly, in order to start practicing on these unsuccessful and cumbersome drones what will be critically important in a war with a more developed enemy compared to Ukraine - closed communications and our own software.

With software, by the way, everything is not easy either, at Army-2022 ZALA announced the maximum speed of its copter at 30 km / h, which clearly indicates the use of some kind of autopilot available as free software. That is, there is no software.


Zala 421-24 in the latest version at Army-2022.

We need to start working on this urgently and, possibly, in conjunction with work on “access” to DJI software.

Reliable and completely proprietary software is also important because with any advanced adversary we will also face cyber warfare, with "combat hacking", and on a scale that we simply cannot imagine now. This also needs to be prepared in advance.

A separate issue for work is communication. In addition to the fact that this should be a secure channel, communication should also be as secretive as possible, roughly speaking, the enemy should be unable to establish the very fact of transmitting a signal from a drone somewhere.

Technically, this is quite feasible, moreover, similar control principles are already used on domestic winged vehicles.

It makes sense to explore the radiation sensors that could be on the copter itself, and the laser illumination system, including the removable one, but all such retrofits will be acceptable only if the price is acceptable - the product should be cheap and mass-produced.

Hack and predictor Aviator


In general, it is time to formulate the requirements for the copter of the future, taking into account our economic and technological realities. The moment for this, so to speak, has long come.

It is high time for society and the state to begin to perceive copters not as a momentary problem that can be solved by purchasing commercial equipment in China, but as a serious issue that requires its own separate development strategy.

And if the deployment of their mass production is only possible for state or large commercial structures, then a number of highly specialized things: such as working out the concept of such an apparatus or part of the work on software, may well be undertaken by small companies, startups, and even volunteer organizations.
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  1. +9
    27 January 2023 05: 20
    Explanatory. But the author did not avoid a number of logical inconsistencies.
    1) We didn’t have Maviks. And it won’t be - the author further wrote clearly why - CIVIL MODEL. A priori with "holes" in the defense.
    2) Nobody dealt with the issue of transferring the code. And they won't. What kind of sane intelligence service will give permission to transfer to the side of software that allows you to use your equipment against you, for example, and sabotage, without the control of the manufacturing country?!
    3) Well, again, the near / middle zone. It won't be more than ten kilometers. copters. Because the aircraft scheme will last longer in the air. This is for you both the time and the parameters of the control zone. Here you need to wave a little in the other direction - any type of UAV is a CONSUMABLE !!! As by the way, batteries, which for some reason do not supply hundreds of kilos, but they go to many places ... Consider them cartridges of a new type. UAVs, respectively - shells. And there it's not about "waiting until the Orlans are dumped" - they also need to be provided with a reserve, he gave it out more than once - and for life.
    By the way, I was especially surprised, they say, Orlan to carry, weighs a lot ... Does Arta ride a pawn?
    And so - everything is on point. But again - that's right, with the same staff units - it would not take longer than to promote production ... And again - how will you promote it until there is a state order? And what is the state order, since they are not provided for by the state? That's what happens - on an initiative basis.
    1. +6
      27 January 2023 08: 36
      Well done to the KCPN, until the officials reached out.
      And the main vulnerability is the lack of its "iron". Guys write programs, they upgrade copters for invulnerability from electronic warfare, but they don’t have their own. Tomorrow Xi will get bored with the NWO, he will step on our throats with one decision.
      1. +5
        27 January 2023 13: 40
        I am very surprised by the position of MO! belay the army needs an UAV, they overslept their usefulness! Well, it’s not wrong who doesn’t do anything request Today it is clear that the thing is extremely necessary! Volunteers work and drag them into the troops, why does the Ministry of Defense not take control of this flow? It should create centers for adapting them to the troops, train specialists, create states and try with the help of volunteers (if they themselves are not able, for some reason that is also not clear) to saturate the troops with what is available today! sad and MO, apparently, simply stepped aside from the issue without closing the problem! am
        1. -1
          28 January 2023 07: 14
          I think they are simply afraid to do this at the official level, because otherwise all supply channels will be closed. If you disassemble any mavic, it turns out that there is an American CPU made in Taiwan, memory from South Korea, Japanese power electronics, Swiss sensors, a camera from the Swedes, etc., and from the Chinese only the case, textolite, software, battery and assembly, accordingly, now the MO is better to stand aside and not provoke pressure on the Chinese.
    2. +4
      27 January 2023 11: 31
      Quote from Bingo
      And so - everything is on point. But again - that's right, with the same staff positions - it would not take longer than to promote production ... And again - how will you promote it until there is a state order? And what is the state order, since they are not provided for by the state? That's what happens - on an initiative basis

      Maybe you need to start with the hardened General Staff, who does not see beyond his nose, who does not think not only for the future, but also for the present time. And it is clear not only do not think but also do not understand the essence of what is happening. Do the rank and file understand, why don't they understand this in the General Staff? The question is, of course, purely rhetorical. The gentlemen just sat in their seats.
  2. +4
    27 January 2023 05: 26
    Standing apart is the "Coordinating Center for Assistance to Novorossiya", KCPN,

    —-Thanks to the author for a detailed systematic review of the topic, and to the Coordinating Center for the initiative in teaching.

    —-What do the scientific companies of the Ministry of Defense in the Technopolises do if not the problems of intelligence, surveillance and communications?
    1. 0
      28 January 2023 14: 52
      What difference does it make if the MO does not buy anything modern?
      All drones, from Orlans to strike Orions, were developed under Serdyukov, but they almost didn’t buy anything.
      Until 70 year old grandfathers can no longer be retrained
  3. +1
    27 January 2023 06: 17
    With today's capabilities, it is probably possible to have a removable directional communication module with antenna-to-antenna orientation
    1. +1
      27 January 2023 12: 31
      There is another solution, but it is not specifically written about in the article.
  4. +1
    27 January 2023 09: 50
    I don’t know who is in this conflict and what they will gain, but the 404s will lose people and territories, and China will gain new markets and finances.
  5. -4
    27 January 2023 10: 05
    Good article!!! good drinks
    The bone structure of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense is decided to spit with a bang - there would be the political will of the Supreme wassat tongue
    Put gallows in front of the entrance to their buildings, prepare a dozen nominal Decrees of the President on hanging as an exception to the moratorium on the death penalty - just to enter the names - and give a period of -100 days tongue Everything will be fine in a moment if there is political will! good
    1. +2
      27 January 2023 17: 19
      And there is none. And, IMHO, it is not expected in the near future. So our grassroots level will have to fight blindly. And how to move this bunch of mediocrity from its place is not clear. Alas... fool
    2. 0
      28 January 2023 14: 53
      The head of Rostec had a superyacht in Spain arrested, but he was not even fired.
      What will
  6. -5
    27 January 2023 10: 29
    "In conditions of imminent military defeat" - this phrase will be stronger than Goethe's Faust!
    In general, how can a nuclear power lose a war to the forelocked Papuans who have neither nuclear weapons, nor a fleet, nor strategic strike aircraft ??
    1. +12
      27 January 2023 12: 32
      In general, how can a nuclear power lose a war to the forelocked Papuans who have neither nuclear weapons, nor a fleet, nor strategic strike aircraft ??


      Like in Afghanistan at the time. Like in Chechnya in 1996.
      Like another, even more powerful nuclear power in Vietnam in 1973.
      No need to jump, you need to think with your head.
    2. +4
      27 January 2023 12: 43
      Quote: chebman
      In general, how can a nuclear power lose a war to the forelocked Papuans who have neither nuclear weapons, nor a fleet, nor strategic strike aircraft ??

      It's very simple, waiting for the "negotiation process" and going for "goodwill gestures" ... To use tactical nuclear weapons, you need to have "iron balls", because. there is no particular point in using it against an ROP with 15-20 fighters or 2 tanks and 5 infantry fighting vehicles.
      All bridges and transport hubs are located in cities, which means that you need to hit the cities with the corresponding casualties among the civilian population and the reaction of the world community. It should be understood that this will also be negatively perceived by India, China, Pakistan, which have unresolved conflicts among themselves and for which the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be a very unpleasant precedent.
    3. +4
      27 January 2023 17: 16
      Quote: chebman
      How can a nuclear power in general lose a war to the chubat Papuans who have neither nuclear weapons, nor a fleet, nor strategic strike aircraft?

      USA - Vietnam and several other conflicts
      USSR - Afghanistan, after collapsed
      Russia is the first Chechen
      South Africa - losing the war in Angola, complete nuclear disarmament
      China - losing the war with Vietnam
      1. +2
        28 January 2023 09: 42
        Quote from cold wind
        USA - Vietnam and several other conflicts
        USSR - Afghanistan, after collapsed
        Russia is the first Chechen
        South Africa - losing the war in Angola, complete nuclear disarmament
        China - losing the war with Vietnam

        For some reason, everyone on this list forgets about France - in 1960 France became a nuclear power, and in 1962 it lost the Algerian War of Independence.
        By the way, according to the French constitution, Algeria was not a colony, but its inalienable province.
    4. -1
      27 January 2023 18: 54
      Quote: chebman
      "In conditions of imminent military defeat" - this phrase will be stronger than Goethe's Faust!
      How can a nuclear power ever lose a war? forelocked Papuans who have neither nuclear weapons, nor a fleet, nor strategic strike aircraft ??

      In 1991, the USSR lost the Cold War without a single shot ... and now Russia has every chance of losing ... until they hang traitors at least from the highest leadership ... so that others don’t get used ... the worst enemy is inside us
  7. +2
    27 January 2023 11: 18
    Under the conditional "Mavic" it is not necessary to introduce new states, a fighter or a platoon or company commander himself can control it.

    But Murz from the same KCPN believes that the commander and operator of the UAV should be two different staff units. And if the UAV is used for correction, then a third person must be added to them.
    Unit commanders fly by themselves, correct artillery as best they can, and, in parallel, control the battle themselves. And, in a good way, it should be three different people in the control group, like in our battalion. The UAV operator, who is only concerned with ensuring that the quadric flies off and returns correctly, the artillery officer who stands behind him and, looking at the image, gives corrections or immediately corrections to the sight of his colleagues to the radio, and the battalion commander or his a deputy who gives orders on his radio - who should run where and who should shoot where. That is, he directs the battle and thinks only about directing the battle, and not about the fact that right now it would be necessary to pull the car a little back from the target, see if the dill climbed out of shelters, shoot at the copter. This is what the normal operation of a spotting copter in combat looks like. And yes, in addition to it, "minks", DJI Mavic 2 Mini, are often additionally used in the same battle, raised by infantry officers in the interests of "look into the nearest dill trench" for the infantry). Of course, it is possible to force the operator to study the work of an artillery spotter in all the subtleties or, even cooler, to grow two full-fledged additional skills from the unit commander - a spotter and an UAV operator. But, in the event of such a universal specialist dropping out for some reason, you lose two or three functions at once, therefore it is much more efficient, if specialists have free time, to teach separate additional people - separately commanders, separately artillery spotters and separately UAV operators.

    To understand the complexity of the issue, in one of the tank divisions formed a few years before the start of the special military operation, there is still no UAV service, which cost the division very heavy losses after February 2022.

    Oh yes ... I remember this post Murza. About the people who gave birth hellish toothy shark - blind and with an eternal runny nose - because there was no UAV in the division according to the state. And in general, about the cute features of the BTV, such as the regular absence of explosives in the DZ at the start of hostilities.
    1. +1
      27 January 2023 12: 33
      It is clear that there is a certain ideal, but if there is no regular unit, then Mavic can be handed over to a fighter.
      But an eagle-like "bird" is impossible.
  8. +1
    27 January 2023 15: 25
    Something else surprises me. How could all these generals from the General Staff with their millions of salaries, uniforms from Yudashkin and stars in a kilogram of gold fail to see the potential of a children's quadrocopter? Moreover, they have been at war for many years. Disperse the Dormoedov to hell.
    1. 0
      28 January 2023 16: 46
      This general is under 70 years old, they will not master the iPhone, which drones.
      The entire power vertical is formed on its own, and non-professionals, you can’t disperse anyone
  9. 0
    27 January 2023 18: 52
    Dgi mini 2 is a great thing. At 100m you can't hear or see. Released for 10 km. Battery for half an hour. 3 batteries included with the charger. Himself came back with low battery . I rode it for hunting. I gave it to the war ... flew off for two weeks. One and a half thousand money.
    1. 0
      27 January 2023 19: 09
      I have one. 10 km does not pull. At 800 m, it is already difficult to transmit a signal.
  10. 0
    27 January 2023 21: 39
    Quote: Eroma
    I am very surprised by the position of MO! belay the army needs an UAV, they overslept their usefulness! Well, it’s not wrong who doesn’t do anything request Today it is clear that the thing is extremely necessary! Volunteers work and drag them into the troops, why does the Ministry of Defense not take control of this flow? It should create centers for adapting them to the troops, train specialists, create states and try with the help of volunteers (if they themselves are not able, for some reason that is also not clear) to saturate the troops with what is available today! sad and MO, apparently, simply stepped aside from the issue without closing the problem! am


    - It's all difficult, starting from the beginning - thinking, delving into, coordinating ....
    It was much easier before - sewing new uniforms a couple of times a year, spinning in them in front of a mirror, raising the standard of your life ....
  11. 0
    27 January 2023 21: 49
    About the staffs:
    For example, the Zhukovsky Academy (at the Ministry of Defense) has a faculty that has been training specialists in the field of unmanned aircraft since 2015.
    The faculty trains qualified officers in the following specialties:
    1. Application and operation of means and systems of special monitoring. Qualification - engineer.
    2. Robotics for military and special purposes. Qualification - engineer.
    and specializations:
    1. Operation of ground means of aerial reconnaissance. Qualification - engineer.
    2. Operation of ground facilities and systems of complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles. Qualification - engineer.
    3. Operation of complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles. Qualification - engineer.

    So, there are shtatki, another thing is that there is no sensible concept for the use of UAVs. We simply do not yet know what we NEED and what we want from drones. And you can steal software (source codes), or buy a version and develop it.
  12. +2
    27 January 2023 21: 57
    Quote: VladMirU
    And there is none. And, IMHO, it is not expected in the near future. So our grassroots level will have to fight blindly. And how to move this bunch of mediocrity from its place is not clear. Alas... fool


    - The main Russian Trouble has not gone away .... It has only grown with unimaginable arrogance! In terms of puffing out cheeks - we are ahead of the rest ....
    1. 0
      28 January 2023 23: 24
      Someone is worried that they are no longer invited to the summits. And the rest FSUs.
  13. 0
    27 January 2023 22: 38
    Quote: Sarychev N.
    About the staffs:
    For example, the Zhukovsky Academy (at the Ministry of Defense) has a faculty that has been training specialists in the field of unmanned aircraft since 2015.
    The faculty trains qualified officers in the following specialties:
    1. Application and operation of means and systems of special monitoring. Qualification - engineer.
    2. Robotics for military and special purposes. Qualification - engineer.
    and specializations:
    1. Operation of ground means of aerial reconnaissance. Qualification - engineer.
    2. Operation of ground facilities and systems of complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles. Qualification - engineer.
    3. Operation of complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles. Qualification - engineer.

    So, there are shtatki, another thing is that there is no sensible concept for the use of UAVs. We simply do not yet know what we NEED and what we want from drones. And you can steal software (source codes), or buy a version and develop it.


    - .... what is, it's good! If this does not give rise to unjustified illusions ... The world has already decided (long ago) - what is needed from a UAV.
  14. -1
    27 January 2023 22: 50
    And why are there no controlled airships that could hover over the enemy at high altitude and for a very long time ... instead of noisy "lawn mowers" .....
    1. 0
      28 January 2023 00: 05
      Yes, but they have very limited applicability, in war - near zero
  15. 0
    28 January 2023 14: 48
    Conclusion - Shoigu is not to blame, but unknown forces are to blame and no one will answer for the failure from the UAV
    1. 0
      28 January 2023 23: 26
      You do not touch the hunter and the fisherman. He knows how to look for thyme in the taiga.
  16. 0
    31 January 2023 10: 18
    And in the case, and not so much. The author is obsessed with Chinese UAVs. But what prevents you from buying not ready-made UAVs, but buying components, and already assembling drones from us? Yes, longer, but you can solve a number of problems that the author writes about. For example, with the same notorious code. For example, to install an additional processor with code written by us. I agree, it will take some serious work, but where to go? Otherwise, we will continue to fly commercial drones until the enemy learns to fight them. And he will be taught soon. And not only with the help of electronic warfare.

    the fact of work on the drone of Ukrainian electronic warfare equipment and take countermeasures in time (for obvious reasons, we will keep silent about their content)
    Well, the author wouldn't make me laugh, or something ... I have a book on my shelf, bought in an ordinary bookstore, and it's called "Fighting Unmanned Aerial Vehicles." It describes all the technical details: from the banal jamming of the GPS, video channel and barrage control channel, up to the targeted delivery of false commands. At the present time, even radio amateurs can do this ... Not to mention the enemy army, which can simply be supplied with the necessary equipment.

    As for the types of UAVs. The author rightly noted that aircraft-type devices are also needed. And not only because of the range, but they also lift a large load. In addition, for some reason, everyone was fixated on electric traction. But in front-line conditions, devices with internal combustion engines are much more practical. There are no problems with the batteries. There is always hot. Another question is that there should not be capricious model aircraft engines that require a very specific fuel, but simple two-stroke engines, such as those used on mopeds. By the way, about planes. We do not have such birds:
  17. 0
    31 January 2023 10: 33
    Similarly, the task is to counter enemy drones. And this is not only army electronic warfare and anti-drone guns. We need a whole range of measures:
    1. Creation of target equipment that detects radio channels of enemy drones, emitter coordinates, and transmits false information (commands, picture, navigation information)
    2. Creation of simulators of drones and their operators to misinform the enemy and detect enemy artillery
    3. Allocation of airspace observers (I think there are already), supplying them with target equipment (in the future)
    4. Creation of equipment that tracks the drones themselves (something similar to counter-battery RDS), and direction finders to identify the coordinates of enemy operators. By the way, such equipment can be combined with ZPU
    5. Preparing birds of prey to fight enemy drones


    Naturally, we need to improve the tactics and technique of using drones on our part:
    1.Remote antennas
    2. Planning the coordinates and trajectory of departure and especially the return of drones, maybe even the creation of mobile groups specifically for reconnaissance
    3. Use of false drones, demonstrative actions
    4. Joint use of strike and reconnaissance vehicles
    5. Installation of lasers on drones for target designation of guided munitions
    6. Creation of fighter drones