Parisian armor in a special operation: French Leclerc tanks may end up in Ukraine

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Parisian armor in a special operation: French Leclerc tanks may end up in Ukraine

About all these cases with the transfer of a trial batch tanks Western-made, perhaps, everyone has heard. Germany and the United States have tuned in, and the Poles and the British are already preparing their combat vehicles for shipment to Ukraine. However, with all this informational hysteria about the German Leopards 2, the British Challengers 2 and even the American Abrams, which are also predicted the unenviable fate of participating in the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, the French somehow completely hushed up.

And they, it seems, will soon also be able to turn on the heat by providing Kyiv with AMX-56 Leclerc tanks. The issue of the possibility of transferring such a gift to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is being conducted by the French government. At the same time, according to Politico, the final decision will be made regardless of the position of Washington. They can, of course, go into complete denial, or they can share it with Ukraine.



But the situation is strange - the characteristics of the machines are extremely interesting, but where to determine them and what to do with them?

Expensively rich


To be honest, we love - although not only here - a comparison of the dry characteristics of this or that armored vehicle and its foreign counterparts. Especially now, when Western tanks will soon fall into the zone of a special military operation in Ukraine. But we will not delve into these matters - the problems there are much more mundane, and we will talk about them a little later.

However, it is also impossible to pass by some features of the French Leclercs, simply because one of the most expensive tanks in the world risks taking part in the battles in Ukraine.

The French poured a lot of money into the tank: everyone is somehow used to operating with numbers in the region of 6 to 8 million euros, depending on the modification and years of production. However, the total cost, which includes associated costs for production, infrastructure, provision of spare parts, etc., is in the region of 16 million euros per unit.

Recall that 406 Leclerc tanks were produced for the French Armed Forces, of which 222 vehicles are now in service - the rest are in storage.


In general, Leclerc was widely promoted thanks to its electronics. In short, almost all systems of this machine are "planted" on a single 32-channel data exchange bus, at the head of which is a dual-processor computing unit. Engine and automatic transmission control, monitoring of the condition of components and assemblies, navigation and communications, sighting system, fuel and ammunition consumption monitoring - this is not a complete list of what is under the control of the "electronic brains" of the tank.

All this really seriously simplifies and improves the operation of the tank, but what about the specifics?

By modern standards, "Leclerc" is a very "big-eyed" car, so everything is in order with the sighting system. The gunner has at his disposal a sight coupled with a laser rangefinder with two channels: daytime with variable magnification and nighttime with a thermal imaging camera that allows you to detect targets at a distance of up to 5 km and clearly identify them at a distance of 2 to 2,5 km. As for the commander, everything is according to the standard: a panoramic sight-surveillance device that has similar characteristics to the gunner's sight - also a day channel, a thermal imager and a rangefinder.

Tank gunner's sight
Tank gunner's sight

Commander's panoramic sight-surveillance device
Commander's panoramic sight-surveillance device

However, the main armament in the face of the 120-mm CN120-26 smoothbore gun with a conveyor automatic loader, providing a rate of fire of 10-12 rounds per minute, will match the sights.

However, here the French showed their originality: this gun differs from the standard 120-mm NATO “smooth-bore” in some features, including a completely non-standard barrel length of 52 calibers and a system of forced barrel blowing with compressed air instead of classic ejectors.

Nevertheless, in terms of shells, the unification of the gun is complete. Both native French ammunition, as well as German, American and others, can be used.

Also among the advantages of "Leclerc" is the presence of a combat information and control system SIT ICONE. It, based on the readings of satellite and inertial navigation systems, as well as the exchange of data between vehicles and neighboring units, gives the tank commander information in real time, both about his own location and about the positions of friendly troops, including the enemy, if any. explored.

The layout of the Leclerc tank. The crew consists of three people: a driver, located in the bow of the hull on the left; commander in the left half of the tower and gunner in the right. A conveyor automatic loader for 22 unitary shots is installed in the rear of the turret.
The layout of the Leclerc tank. The crew consists of three people: a driver, located in the bow of the hull on the left; commander - in the left half of the tower and gunner - in the right. A conveyor automatic loader for 22 unitary shots is installed in the rear of the turret.

Do not forget about the power plant based on a 1500-horsepower V8X-1500 diesel engine equipped with a Hyperbar turbocharger with a separate drive from a gas turbine engine. Thanks to this tandem, the Leclerc, whose mass, depending on the modification, ranges from 54,6 to 57,4 tons, is considered one of the most mobile modern tanks in the world. In practice, the engine makes it possible to accelerate very quickly to 70 km / h on the highway (extreme sportsmen accelerated up to 80 km / h), and off-road - up to 50-55 km / h.

Questions here, perhaps, can only arise when booking a French car.

Firstly, the frontal projection of the tank is far from evenly covered by the combined armor, including due to the huge “hole” in the face of the gun mantlet. You can see this in more detail in the image below.

Red zones - combined armor of the frontal projection of the tank
Red zones - combined armor of the frontal projection of the tank

Secondly, the latest modification of the "Leclerc" under the index SXXI, of which less than a hundred units were produced, according to various sources, has quite tolerable protection within 600–700 mm from sub-caliber and about 1 mm from cumulative shells.

But the tanks of the early batches, and most of them, cannot boast of such durability - all their protection as a whole corresponds to the shells of the 80s. The modernization of the “oldies”, of course, has already been planned and seems to have begun in 2022, but this is not a quick thing and will take more than one year, or even five.

It seems to be - why not ideal?


If you look at what is called, on the bottom line of the advantages and characteristics, then it seems that the machine is quite suitable for use in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the conditions of a special operation - in Ukrainian mechanized formations, there is still nothing better or even close comparable.

The tank, unlike those available in the troops, has a thermal imaging sight and a panoramic device / sight of the commander that practically does not differ in characteristics. They are needed in any conflict. Especially in the course of hostilities in Ukraine, combining battles both in a conditional open field and in buildings, such fruits of technological progress come in handy. The first to see - the first and struck, as they say.


And the range of ammunition used is impressive. There is only one French - native - ammunition will solve most of the tasks. Full-fledged high-explosive fragmentation shells, shotgun shots in the style of the American Canister with more than a thousand metal balls that turn a tank gun into a giant shotgun.

And to this, there are also cumulative and, importantly, very “biting” sub-caliber shells, which only in tungsten version (more than 20 years old samples) can penetrate about 560 mm of steel armor from 2 kilometers. What can we say about newer and especially uranium ones, although things are strict with uranium - they are unlikely to give it.

And we have not touched on the American and German arsenals, although there is enough native here for the eyes.

The transportable ammunition of the tank consists of 40 rounds. Of these, 18 are stored in non-mechanized stacking drums. Just such a drum is shown in the photo.
The transportable ammunition of the tank consists of 40 rounds. Of these, 18 are stored in non-mechanized stacking drums. Just such a drum is shown in the photo.

In addition, one should not lose sight of the presence of a satellite navigation system and the very SIT ICONE, which can bring the coordination and interaction of tank units to a completely different level, previously inaccessible to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

With armor, of course, things are muddy, but, again, at least the level of the Leopard-2A4 is precisely matched by French vehicles - it is doubtful that the most recent modifications of the Leclerc will be sent, and obviously without additional protection like AZUR for urban combat.

But, in general, it’s far from a bad option even in the standard version, given the really good mobility of the tank, which can still prove itself in the Ukrainian black earth trough, rapid rushes to take advantageous positions and roll back if these positions could not be held.

Tank "Leclerc" with a set for urban combat AZUR
Tank "Leclerc" with a set for urban combat AZUR

The only question is where to put this "Frenchman"?

To the same place as the "Germans"


In one of the previous articles, when we discussed the supply of the American Stryker armored personnel carrier to Ukraine, an interesting topic was raised regarding the distribution of Western equipment in the Ukrainian troops. Namely: it is practically impossible to “spray” the same tanks over military units where there is an acute shortage of them.

Even if the command of the Ukrainian armed forces decides to take such a step, then the conditional tank companies, in which, in addition to the already familiar Soviet-style tanks, there will be a couple of French vehicles, will become a real headache and for the most part neutralize all the advantages of even the Leclerc, even the same "Leopard-2" - the effect will be similar.

Completely zero unification between Soviet and Western tanks, both in spare parts, and in shells, and repair kits, the need to have specially trained personnel for specific vehicles in the repair teams, the impossibility of complete synchronization of communications in the unit (for example, T-64BV and SET ICON in " Leclerc" do not match) is just the tip of the iceberg.

In addition, it will be very interesting to find out how Ukrainians will solve the problem of requesting the necessary spare parts and consumables in such a “zoo” of tanks - the request will be able to reach, but through what bunch of intermediaries and links?

Therefore, the conclusion here is obvious: under the "Frenchman", as well as under any other Western-style tank, you will have to create new or redo existing units. Each - with lining up around the corresponding model of the tank. Only in this way will it be possible to establish an effective supply, avoid confusion with personnel and ensure a clear coordination of actions through combat information and control systems. It all takes time, a lot of investments and rearrangements, but the output can be quite effective battle groups, largely adjusted to NATO standards.

Now this does not threaten us on a large scale, since combat vehicles will be sent in relatively small batches, which will not fundamentally change the situation, although they can do things on the ground.

But who will guarantee that tomorrow NATO will not decide to drag many hundreds of tanks to Ukraine? We must take this into account, although it has been said so many times.
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  1. +16
    26 January 2023 05: 10
    They are probably going to gather a single fist and strike with it. Crews from volunteer countries of suppliers. With satellite navigation, they will have both drones and infantry. A major operation is being prepared. Of course, and a good test for checking equipment in a real battle. It would be nice to break them apart during transportation. Each car a Geranium!
    1. +7
      26 January 2023 05: 15
      Quote: North Caucasus
      break apart during transport

      This is the perfect option! But ... Leak out! A strong fist will gather.
      1. +28
        26 January 2023 05: 23
        break apart during transport
        Enough, it’s not even funny anymore. How much has been said about this ... "Spread on the way", "Do not allow deliveries to the front" and tede and tepe ..... It's sense, our "Suvorov" and "Ushakov" modern more visible, of course.
      2. +1
        26 January 2023 14: 36
        Then we'll see what the words of the Supreme Commander are worth: "... Why do we need such a world if there is no Russia ..."
      3. AAK
        +8
        26 January 2023 20: 16
        At least for the tank regiment of "Leopards", "Abrams" and "Leclercs" only in the first delivery, plus German, American Swedish and French self-propelled guns with counter-battery radars, plus "Bradleys", plus "Strikers" and "Bulldogs" - here you have the equipment to a mechanized division of a full staff, as well as UAVs and military air defense installations ... quite a fist ...
        As for the Leclerc itself, both it and the Abrams and Leopard and Challenger-2 and Ariete and the Japanese (type-90) with the South Korean (K-2) were described in great detail in " Foreign Military Review" back in the mid-late 1990s, but alas, we relied on the T-72B3, and the people were explained that the adversary would run away from these tanks ... and even the T-90 ..., and even more so "Armata" .... and also a guided projectile of the "Coalition" 70 km away ... here are the Banderas, or rather the Americans, are already studying in detail the abandoned T-90 of the "heroic" Kantemirovskaya division, let's see what, and most importantly when, we we will study...
        1. 0
          1 February 2023 10: 02
          "And as for the Leclerc itself, then he, and" Abrams "and" Leopard "and" Challenger-2 "and" Arieta "and the Japanese (type-90) with the South Korean (K-2) were described in great detail in "Foreign Military Review" back in the mid-late 1990s, "
          well, I’ll fix it a little .. Abrams, Leoperd, Leclerc - this was described back in the 80s ..
          and then there was a forecast of their development ...
    2. +13
      26 January 2023 05: 36
      So they do not hide it. And they openly say "the target of the strike will be Crimea."
      1. 0
        26 January 2023 08: 43
        Tanks are not really needed for Crimea. To take it in the style of grandfathers, that is, in the case of the Nazis - Manstein, is irrational.
      2. AAK
        0
        26 January 2023 20: 20
        So we have in the Crimea, and so the largest number of Bandera UAVs arrive, although the vast majority get lost by air defense, but Novo-Fedorovka and Maiskoye must be remembered and never repeated ...
    3. +5
      26 January 2023 07: 45
      Quote: North Caucasus
      Each car a Geranium!
      Geraniums are said to be able to actually hit only a stationary target.
      1. +5
        26 January 2023 11: 36
        Geraniums are said to be able to actually hit only a stationary target.

        Exactly. In addition, if we imagine a "happy accident" that the "Gerani" will arrive at the railway station at the very moment when the echelon with tanks is there (which in itself requires very clear, beautiful and coordinated work of reconnaissance and missilemen), critical They won't do any damage to tanks. At most, some of the tanks will have to be returned to France for repairs (which, of course, is logistically burdensome).
    4. -3
      26 January 2023 08: 35
      You live in a parallel world in which the tank gets to the battlefield by teleportation, the shells for it are the same, along with spare parts, and the enemy, of course, does not even know about the transfer. Do you really believe that there will be suicide bombers who will go in these boxes to enemy positions saturated with anti-tank missiles and tanks?
      1. 0
        26 January 2023 10: 56
        Well, after all, the Poles went on crabs and 72ems.
        1. +2
          26 January 2023 11: 55
          The Poles didn't go anywhere. No need to lie.
      2. +1
        26 January 2023 11: 38
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Do you really believe that there will be suicide bombers who will go in these boxes to enemy positions saturated with anti-tank missiles and tanks?

        You already decide. Prigozhin and Konashenkov have been at war with the NATO SOF for half a year, they can't lie. Back in Azovstal, as I remember now, an English general commanded.

        If I were a NATO MTR, I would naturally ride a tank, not a Hummer.
    5. +2
      26 January 2023 11: 54
      I read chatter about Western crews here all the time. Are you tired of lying yet?
      1. +2
        26 January 2023 14: 58
        Here is tode constantly mind such messages. But not a single proof for the year of the war
      2. -1
        27 January 2023 19: 36
        It’s not as insulting as admitting that we can’t cope with the Ukrainians for a year, who were not ridiculed here only by the lazy. However, before NATO members were considered cowardly pampered stupid gays, but then they suddenly rehabilitated themselves.
  2. +5
    26 January 2023 05: 15
    It is necessary to introduce our Armata against them, to which we taxpayers have contributed many, many billions! Judging by the money invested in them, we have at least a thousand! Let them know that we are not born with a bast!
    1. +13
      26 January 2023 05: 27
      introduce our Armata against them, to which we taxpayers have contributed many, many billions!
      But yes, by the way.
      1. +12
        26 January 2023 07: 47
        Quote: not the one
        But yes, by the way .. Let the project work out the money invested in it.

        the turbopatriots had an excuse in the spring - they say there is no worthy rival for Almaty in Ukraine, one junk wassat
      2. -1
        26 January 2023 14: 41
        It seems to me that nothing is new under the sun (c). And, if you look through the pages of history, you can find similar cases when tanks were produced that made a rustle in parades: Neubaufahrzeug (Nvfz, “new design machine”) in Nazi Germany, T-35 in the USSR. The first one was used only for propaganda, the second one didn’t gain much military glory either, but it created a completely wrong idea for the enemy about the real capabilities of Soviet tanks: a meeting with the KV-1, KV-2 and T-34 for which turned out to be a very unpleasant surprise. History, as you know, is a lady who loves to repeat herself. The only question is what specific option for the embodiment she will choose this time. wink
    2. +13
      26 January 2023 05: 33
      A good tank, with pluses and minuses. Suppose the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to create several shock fists with the help of the West, all the same, a serious force. And then.? As the situation develops, we defend along these lines. And here the main thing, as in the Second World War, is to knock out the "beast." Art and aviation should not let the enemy raise their heads, but destroy the near and far rear with missiles. take into account enemy artillery and other armored vehicles) will bring a lot of grief and blood. Another "strategic" option, we fire missiles at the places of concentration on the territory of Poland, with a subsequent statement, the next missile attack will be nuclear (ultimatum) when crossing the border of foreign equipment.
      1. +4
        26 January 2023 06: 37
        Quote: Mikhail Maslov
        And here the main thing, as in the Second World War, is to knock out the "beast"

        The main thing was to knock out their tanks ... Thanks for the knocked out tanks ... "Hot snow"
      2. +7
        26 January 2023 09: 14
        Quote: Mikhail Maslov
        A good tank, with pluses and minuses. Suppose the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to create several shock fists with the help of the West, all the same, a serious force. And then.? As the situation develops, we defend along these lines. And here the main thing, as in the Second World War, is to knock out the "beast." Art and aviation should not let the enemy raise their heads, but destroy the near and far rear with missiles. take into account enemy artillery and other armored vehicles) will bring a lot of grief and blood. Another "strategic" option, we fire missiles at the places of concentration on the territory of Poland, with a subsequent statement, the next missile attack will be nuclear (ultimatum) when crossing the border of foreign equipment.

        The plan is good for everyone, except for one thing - the enemy has long-range and more accurate artillery (the promised Archer self-propelled guns are able to shoot back and take off before the shells fall), superiority in reconnaissance and, apparently, in communication ...
        1. +5
          26 January 2023 09: 59
          Putin knows all this and prepared the army for such battles, otherwise he is a criminal who again abandoned his people with rifles against equipment, as in the Second World War our number of victims crushed the enemy! We have the best yachts, for example, Abramovich, Sechin, etc. Let them hit! They will finish off offshore there! And there the families of deputies are attacked behind enemy lines!
        2. +1
          27 January 2023 23: 52
          It is necessary to add to the plan that waves of lancets, which are longer-range archers, will fly forward. And the tanks will grind the orions, which have been doing three shifts since June. But the success of the enemy offensive is generally not connected with tanks, artillery and other hemars, but with all sorts of murky deals and ammonia pipelines.
      3. -1
        26 January 2023 12: 00
        They can do one shock kula in order to surely break through the defense and occupy the territory mobilized, losses are not important to them (armored vehicles can send 10 more times for the same amount). Not only tanks are supplied there, but a lot of other modern things. I will hit Russian armored vehicles with missiles, new missiles will prevent aircraft from turning around, drones will hit artillery ...
      4. 0
        26 January 2023 21: 50
        Quote: Mikhail Maslov
        Let's say the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to create several shock fists with the help of the West, all the same, a serious force. And then. And here the main thing, as in the Second World War, is to knock out the "beast". Art and aviation should not let the enemy raise their heads, but destroy the near and far rear with missiles.
        Another variant .
        There is an offer...
        We deliver MLRS with cluster shells to threatened areas 9M55K4 equipped PTM-3 (MLRS "Smerch") - during the tank attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, "Smerch" mines the direction of the tank attack. Then stopped tanks are hit by shells 9M55K1 or 9M55K5.
        You need to use the technology that is in service ...
      5. 0
        16 March 2023 12: 34
        I support. I understand that now they will start yelling about a NATO country, etc., but something tells me that there will be nothing but a shrill howl, and therefore we need to wet the threat in the bud.
  3. +11
    26 January 2023 05: 55
    including due to the huge "hole" in the face of the gun mask
    The mask is not a hole, the mask is a movable element of protection, and Leclerc's mask is quite powerful.
  4. +2
    26 January 2023 06: 14
    Parisian armor in a special operation: French Leclerc tanks may end up in Ukraine
    Events go on as usual and no one is going to wait who, when and what, there, will collect ...
    1. -11
      26 January 2023 11: 45
      all these tanks will be destroyed by our artillery on the control room from the UAV, into the roof of the tower, even on marches
      guided projectiles 152-mm Krasnopol and 203-mm - and this one is generally tin
      1. -1
        27 January 2023 19: 41
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        203 mm - and this one is generally tin


        Still, it’s not tinny, guided shells of the 203rd do not exist (another question for Shoigu), but unguided shells with their spread and rate of fire can only be fired at tanks on the march ...
  5. +4
    26 January 2023 06: 19
    Something is not visible that they are ready to oppose our preparing tank fists.
    Did mass deliveries go to the ATGM troops? or all hope for the t-62? Or are they preparing the Brest peace for us, with the justification that they got off lightly?
  6. +7
    26 January 2023 06: 21
    Until now, they somehow do not have problems with the maintenance of Western equipment. Tanks will come along with repair personnel, and even with crews of vacationers.
  7. -8
    26 January 2023 08: 34
    A tank resembling a young lady in Ukrainian conditions? Well, well, they will throw them on the field, since this miracle does not like war.
  8. 0
    26 January 2023 08: 52
    Shtosh. Challenger, Leo, Abram, Leclerc. In the course of some Ukrainian version of the game "collect Pokemon".

    Missing Merkava, K2 and Ariente. Gotta push up!
    1. +1
      26 January 2023 11: 46
      Missing Merkava, K2 and Ariente. Gotta push up!

      I think for sure that the Merkava will not wait! I understand that your post is not without an element of banter, but I will answer seriously: Merkava is only for the Middle East. Was in Israel as a tourist. There is a completely different soil, in some areas it does not rain for years. Merkava will sit on his belly in the Ukrainian black soil!
      1. +2
        26 January 2023 14: 07
        You see, I have never shared this theory that the Russian land does not hold enemy tanks. She holds some Cat D11 weighing 105 tons quite confidently. And with bridges, mind you, the issue is somehow resolved.

        So we won't know until we check.
        1. +2
          28 January 2023 00: 45
          Quote: Negro
          Cat D11

          In general, this is a mining bulldozer and it does not work on soft soils, as for transportation, it is transported without a blade and a canine and other attachments, and this is 25-30 percent of the total weight, maybe more.
          1. -1
            28 January 2023 10: 52
            Quote: Havoc
            Actually, this is a mining bulldozer and it does not work on soft soils.

            These are the details. Are you ready to defend the position that in the north you can’t find equipment harder than the T-90?
            Quote: Havoc
            it is transported without a blade and a canine and other attachments, and this is 25-30 percent of the total weight, maybe more.

            Yet again. Are you ready to say that without a blade and a canine, but with a trawl and a tractor, it weighs less than the magic figure of 50 tons, under which all Soviet bridges were bewitched (according to the statements of the patriots)?
      2. +3
        26 January 2023 22: 07
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        . Was in Israel as a tourist. There is a completely different soil, in some areas it does not rain for years. !
        Winter 2002
        Merkava-3 Commander Yair Mor...
        You can't do without a "tractor" in Gaza Strip...
  9. 0
    26 January 2023 09: 30
    In general, nothing is being delivered yet, but the authors are already provided with work.
    I would like more specifics from the authors, at least about pieces of iron.

    And earlier they wrote that Lekrerk is the most protected tank, but here they say so-so ... and all in words
    1. +1
      27 January 2023 20: 00
      It is quite possible that for this particular war he is the most protected. Yes, he does not have the best forehead protection against kinetics (although the welded module, which greatly improves this matter, was ready for the Swedish competition of the 1990s, and the Ukrainians themselves can farm something). But in this war, head-to-head tank battles are rare, besides, with his electronics and rate of fire, he has a good chance of hitting a Russian tank first, without ever bringing it to a head-on hit. And for our mass (and not exhibition) shells, even such armor is a hard nut to crack. But everything else in "Leclerc" is very good. They wrote, for example, that the roof is up to 600 mm from the kuma (grenades from quadrics fly like plywood over Paris there). Good mine resistance, generally good survivability. In Yemen, the Emirati "Leclercs" of not the most recent version were the only ones who did not have irretrievable losses, while a lot of the rest burned out there.
  10. 0
    26 January 2023 09: 50
    Putin will oppose them with our Almaty, in which we have invested billions and billions of taxpayers' money! By the amount of money invested, we have thousands of them! Let them see that we are not born with a bast! Go Putin!!!
  11. -6
    26 January 2023 12: 57
    A very complex machine assembled from a Rubik's cube, ostensibly for the quick replacement of faulty parts. Naive ... They have not met with serious ammunition ... Electronics require lengthy preparation for firing. 125 mm. The HE shell with the very first shots in the frontal projection will cause at least the most serious damage to the vehicle, preventing it from continuing the battle ... This is at least. This is confirmed by the practical firing of the HE shell from the T-72 at the Abrams during the experiment. One shot at two Abrams was enough to put them out of action. So in Kuwait, when preparing for full-time shooting, the standard time for preparing the Leclerc firing complex took 4 hours ... By the way, their batteries are disgusting .. quickly fail ... We had 40 minutes. Fuel .. it eats like an airplane .. this fucking turbine helps to do it actively. A two-stroke engine was enough ... they were wiser. armament of a light-medium tank ... Although it is still a coffin on tracks in terms of dimensions .. SOMETIMES, SOFA EXPERTS ASSURED EVERYONE THAT DIMENSIONS DO NOT PLAY A ROLE NOW .. They also play like that. Soviet tank builders were wise .. And this is all Now it will be very well confirmed. What deserves attention is the AZ. We also developed the same one for installation on a promising amphibious tank and subsequently presented on the Omsk-made Black Eagle tank. And the superiority of the French AZ over ours is not yet obvious .. one PR. Everything is known in battle. After all, there was a reason why our specialists refused to use the tower one. In Ukraine, we will check ...
    1. 0
      27 January 2023 20: 09
      If you think that Western tanks have delicate capricious electronics that break down after a couple of hits, and the devices of Russian tanks are harsh all-cast iron like those of the "diamonds" of the First World War, then you think in vain. Everything is exactly the same and even worse. In February-March, the abysses of reliability opened up.
      1. -3
        27 January 2023 20: 49
        Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
        Everything is exactly the same and even worse. In February-March, the abysses of reliability opened up

        Please provide details, please. What is "revealed" there, with links to sources. Otherwise balabol turns out request
  12. +1
    26 January 2023 14: 30
    Good tank. But here's the problem: tanks are used in combination with other types of equipment and weapons. Air support is needed, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot provide it. I'm talking about SB...
    1. +6
      26 January 2023 14: 58
      Now one gets the impression that our aviation is not used for its intended purpose either, since air defense has not been suppressed, and guided bombs have not been delivered, so we will rather be on an equal footing here.
  13. 0
    26 January 2023 18: 09
    I do not think that tank formations will be used as part of a smaller company, equipped with one sample. Even Zelensky said something similar, about a tank fist and a shock brigade. And if the Ukrainian generals suddenly decide to tear apart Western equipment, I think import advisers will quickly correct them. These are not Soviet tanks, the loss of each is a blow to the authority of the country of origin.
  14. 0
    26 January 2023 19: 45
    The author has apparently never been to Ukraine and did not walk through the fields in the spring. If I had been, I would have known that 60 - 65 ton hippos have nothing to do there, no engine power will help when he sits on his belly.
  15. +1
    26 January 2023 22: 31
    The Leclerc is a great tank. If you do not take into account the cost and maintenance costs, I would put it in first place on the European theater of operations. Fortunately, U_r_ina is not Europe, and here muddy roads, rugged terrain, a lot of water obstacles and decent distances "come into battle". If there are no big problems with logistics in a dry summer, spring-autumn will keep Leclercs, Leopards (and even more so Challengers and Abrams) close to the tracks. And this is a vulnerability. By the way, in winter (even relatively warm), bourgeois MBTs also behave mediocrely, in terms of both mechanics and electronics. So the entire declared menagerie will probably not be thrown into breakthroughs with tank wedges, just like in urban areas. But on the defensive positions of important heights, they will show themselves to the fullest. In general, not comforting, especially if several hundred are compactly placed. In this case, perhaps, only the supply is cut and the advantage in the air is used. A direct collision threatens unjustified losses.
  16. -1
    26 January 2023 22: 36
    "... French Leclerc tanks may end up in Ukraine ..." After the Leopards and Abrams, this is most likely to be expected! fool negative It is necessary to prepare "Molotov cocktails" with liquid KS-1. This liquid that "Abrams", that "Leopard", that "Leclerc"! good
  17. 0
    27 January 2023 18: 55
    Interesting machine. To learn or find out results of application, and? I would like, of course, not in my own skin, but there is not much choice
  18. 0
    10 May 2023 13: 27
    In a year in Ukraine, we knocked out under 3000 tanks (yes, some could be repaired, and maybe some even repaired 2-3 times) ...
    Neither 10 nor 50 nor even 500 tanks will fundamentally solve anything.
    You need several thousand tanks, and not stretched out in time, but one-time to launch a massive offensive, or rather a couple of offensives ...
    2000 tanks (let's say 2 directions, offensive in 2 echelons of 400-600 tanks per echelon). This is at least 8000 tankers only ... Even if they are given the required number of tanks (there are a lot of Abrams in storage), even the Europeans do not have 8000 tankers, that is, even "vacationers" cannot be put there.
    And if there are fewer tanks and hostilities intensify, but we can’t talk about any strategic success. Especially considering that there is either leo1 or Polish t-55s occupy most of them ... They are not even equal to t-62s ... Such tanks can be used in defense or to develop an offensive, but not to break through a layered defense.
    In general, all this storm in a glass was to ensure that we did not go on the attack and the Europeans had time to transfer tanks and train crews at least minimally, in order to make it possible to maneuver troops normally if our troops went on the offensive.