Rocket "305" LMUR and its carriers

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Rocket "305" LMUR and its carriers
LMUR product at the exhibition. Photo bmpd.livejournal.com


In Syria and Ukraine, the Russian army aviation uses a light multi-purpose guided missile LMUR or "Product 305". it weapon It has high performance and is capable of hitting a variety of targets. The flexibility of its use is increased by using it with different media. Domestic helicopters of three main types and a number of their modifications can carry and use the LMUR missile.



Universal weapons


The future "Product 305" was created by the Kolomna Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering in the first half of the tenth years by order of the Federal Security Service. It was planned to equip special forces helicopters with this missile - to hit various targets at a great distance and fire support for ground units. In the middle of the decade, the rocket passed the necessary tests and was recommended for adoption.

In the same period, the Ministry of Defense became interested in the LMUR product. It conducted its own missile tests as part of various aviation complexes. The carriers of the product "305" were attack helicopters of the latest models and modifications, incl. not yet adopted.

In the second half of the decade, LMUR missiles underwent experimental military operation. In particular, a number of such weapons were delivered to Syria, where they were tested on real targets in the form of various enemy objects and vehicles. Probably, it was the results of these events that "305" was recommended for adoption. At the same time, the first public demonstration of the new rocket took place only in 2021, when the main events were completed.


Single launcher APU-305 on a Ka-52 helicopter. Photo bmpd.livejournal.com

Since February-March 2022, army aviation has been using LMUR against Ukrainian formations. Video recordings of their combat work appear regularly, moreover, filmed by the homing head of a flying missile. Such videos clearly show the high accuracy of the new weapon, on which its effectiveness depends.

As reported, the Mi-305N(M) and Ka-28 attack helicopters are carriers of the 52 products. They are able to carry several of these missiles and consistently apply them to targets. In January 2023, domestic media reported that modernized Ka-52M helicopters, also equipped with a light multi-purpose missile, are now participating in the Special Operation.

Actually rocket


The LMUR or "305" is an air-to-surface guided missile designed for launchers of various types and capable of hitting a wide range of ground targets, stationary and moving. The rocket is built in a cylindrical body and has a canard aerodynamic configuration. Planes and rudders are foldable for transportation. The length of the rocket is less than 2 m with a body diameter of 200 mm and a wingspan of no more than 600-700 mm. Starting weight - 105 kg.

LMUR is equipped with an optical homing head with two modes of operation. At the first GOS, it captures the target before launch and follows it. The second involves flying to the target area under the control of the carrier, followed by target detection by the operator, capture and guidance. The GOS is interfaced with communication equipment, which provides video signal transmission to the carrier and reception of commands, incl. on target acquisition. The missile delivers a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 25 kg to the target.


Flight to the target - shooting the GOS missile. Frame from video from Telegram / Komdiv_76

The rocket has a solid propellant engine, with the help of which it develops speed up to 220-230 m/s. The maximum launch range is determined at 14,5 km. Probably, this parameter may vary depending on the flight altitude and the speed of the carrier at the time of launch.

Two types of aircraft launchers were developed specifically for the "Product 305". The APU-305 device is intended for the suspension of one missile. On the beam of the device there are locks and connectors for connecting the missile and carrier avionics. In addition, the device has a hinged cover that protects the missile's nose fairing before launch. The APU-L device carries two missiles at once, but does not fundamentally differ from a single-seat one.

In a multipurpose class


According to known data, the first carriers of the 305 missiles were multi-purpose and transport-attack helicopters of the FSB aviation - Mi-8MNP-2 and Mi-8AMTSh-VN. Compatibility with the new weapon was provided by a set of devices mounted inside and outside the fuselage. Not later than 2015-16 strike aircraft complex based on Mi-8 variants was tested and entered service.

First of all, helicopters of the Mi-8 family receive launchers for LMUR. Up to four APU-305 or APU-L products with missiles are placed on the external sling. The maximum ammunition load is up to 6-8 missiles, depending on the task and / or technical features of a particular modification of the carrier helicopter.


Transport and attack helicopter Mi-8AMTSh-VN with the possibility of using "305" missiles. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

Also, the helicopter receives an optical-electronic station of one type or another. "Ball" with a day and night camera and a laser rangefinder is suspended under the forward fuselage. An antenna device for two-way communication with the rocket is also placed outside.

New fire control devices are mounted in the cockpit; also provides for the use of regular devices. So, for communication with the missile, a new "equipment for interfacing with an unmanned aerial vehicle (AS-UAV)" is used. The video signal is displayed on regular monitors, and there is also a remote control for controlling the launch and flight of the rocket in different modes.

Attack helicopters


The Air Force did not use the developments for the FSB and ordered the integration of LMUR into the armament of specialized attack helicopters. The first carrier of such a missile in army aviation, experienced and combatant, was the Mi-28NM helicopter. Tests of "305" on such a helicopter started in 2019.

The Mi-28NM has four underwing pylons, each of which can be mounted with a launcher for LMUR - the maximum ammunition load includes eight missiles. However, in practice, "305" products are suspended in smaller quantities and are used together with other weapons.


Attack helicopter Mi-28NM. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

Target detection for LMUR is carried out by standard means already available on board the Mi-28NM. This can be an H025 over-the-arm radar or a turret OES under the forward fuselage. The target is detected in one way or another, after which, with the help of the OES, target designation is issued to the rocket head. Information from the radar and OES, as well as from the missile seeker, is displayed on the screens of the pilot and operator in a regular manner. The missile is controlled in flight using AS-UAV instruments, which were originally present on the Mi-28NM.

The situation is similar with the Ka-52 attack helicopter and its modernized version. So, these machines have four underwing suspension points and are also capable of carrying up to eight missiles. At the same time, as in the case of the Mi-28NM, the integration of the new missile does not require restructuring of the onboard equipment complex.

For the initial detection of ground objects, the crew of the Ka-52 (M) can use the Arbalet radar and / or the GOES-451 station. The launch is carried out in the required mode, both with the preliminary capture of the target and with the launch of the missile to the required line. Taking into account the prospects for the development of weapons and other equipment, the Ka-52M was also equipped with an AS-UAV device.

With the help of radar or optoelectronic means, the Mi-28NM and Ka-52M are capable of detecting and tracking a variety of ground targets over a wide range of ranges. In the case of relatively large targets, such as automotive and armored vehicles, structures, etc., detection, identification and tracking are provided over the entire range of the LMUR missile launch range.


Attack Ka-52 during the tests of the LMUR missile. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

Having received the new 305 missile, attack helicopters retain the entire previous range of ammunition. The presence of several types of guided weapons with different flight characteristics, guidance principles, warhead, etc. allows the Mi-28NM and Ka-52M helicopters to more effectively and flexibly solve an extended range of tasks.

Rocket and its carriers


Judging by the available data, the 305 light multi-purpose missile or LMUR is one of the most successful acquisitions of our Air Force in recent years. This product shows high tactical and technical characteristics and has other advantages. However, to use all its strengths, any aviation weapon needs a carrier.

In the case of the LMUR missile, modern domestic helicopters of three types and several modifications, which form the basis of our army aviation, can act as a carrier. It is possible that the development of the 305 product will continue - and it will be able to be used on other aerial platforms, manned and unmanned. However, as the practice of recent months shows, the existing carriers do an excellent job with the use of a new missile and the solution of real combat missions.
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  1. +3
    24 January 2023 05: 49
    The rocket is very good.
    I especially liked the low speed and high image quality, which allows the operator to calmly determine the target and hit even a moving target with high accuracy.
    The only thing, in my opinion, a range of 14,5 km will not be enough. In fact, this is not much more than regular ATGMs.
    You can upgrade the rocket quite cheaply. Attach an additional upper stage based on, say, a large-caliber NURS. A range of 30 kilometers would be just right.
    And it would be nice to work out the tactics of use when a helicopter launches a rocket according to data from a drone or the ground. Low speed and high image quality allows you to bring the missile to the target area and only then detect the target and hit it.
    1. +9
      24 January 2023 07: 54
      And what kind of cheap part of Nursa will you improve with a stable connection with a rocket at such a distance?
      1. +1
        24 January 2023 08: 11
        Quote: Vincent Price
        And what kind of cheap part of Nursa will you improve with a stable connection with a rocket at such a distance?

        Screwing on an antenna with a more powerful signal is an order of magnitude easier and cheaper than screwing on a NURS.
        1. +9
          24 January 2023 09: 14
          To launch at 30 km, you will have to climb higher in order to get a good look at the target. In the opposite direction, it also works, the target will also look at the helicopter laughing . And actually, the OLS of a helicopter (let’s take the K-52) definitely cannot work at 30 km, the old GOES-451 worked up to 10 km on tanks, it’s better on M-ke, but obviously not at times. It’s not easy with the radar either, the first Crossbow detects a tank up to 12 km, on the M-ke it’s like the second Crossbow, there is no data on it, but like with the OLS, this parameter has clearly not improved significantly. Then why would a 30km rocket just carry extra gunpowder instead of kerosene or a couple more "shorter" rockets?
          1. -1
            24 January 2023 10: 15
            Quote: vadimtt
            The OLS of a helicopter (let's take the K-52) definitely cannot work at 30 km, the old GOES-451 worked up to 10 km on tanks, it is better on M-ke, but obviously not at times. It’s not easy with the radar either, the first Crossbow detects a tank up to 12 km, on the M-ke it’s like the second Crossbow, there is no data on it, but like with the OLS, this parameter has clearly not improved significantly. Then why would a 30km rocket just carry extra gunpowder instead of kerosene or a couple more "shorter" rockets?


            That's why I wrote:
            Quote: SergeyB
            And it would be nice to work out the tactics of use when a helicopter launches a rocket according to data from a drone or the ground. Low speed and high image quality allows you to bring the missile to the target area and only then detect the target and hit it.
            1. +8
              24 January 2023 10: 40
              Don't you know how things are going with us with "online" targeting of aircraft? And no one will launch a rocket into the white light.
              So first these drones with something like link-16 in commercial quantities should appear first (well, satellites are repeaters, which is already there), and only then suitable missiles. So LMUR is quite within the framework of the current concept and capabilities.
              1. -7
                24 January 2023 12: 21
                Don't you know how things are going with us with "online" targeting of aircraft?

                and what is the problem with "online aviation targeting"?
                with something like link-16

                Let's finish praying for American Finches. We have OSNOD, S-108, S-111. Sooner or later they will reach such categories as UAVs
                1. +3
                  24 January 2023 13: 38
                  1. Lack of "online" intelligence data. Although, rather, it is worth clarifying - "real-time intelligence data".

                  2. All these domestic "joints" variations on the theme "mil std" and "link-XX" laughing That does not prevent them from being quite successful.
                  But when they reach the UAV, then the helicopters will need a long arm, right?
                  1. -3
                    25 January 2023 05: 04
                    1. Lack of "online" intelligence data. Although, rather, it is worth clarifying - "real-time intelligence data".

                    before you write this nonsense, at least take an interest in how aircraft work in conjunction with AWACS and NKP.
                    All these domestic "joints" are variations on the theme "mil std" and "link-XX"

                    I'm sorry, but I don't feel like masturbation at the American military-industrial complex, like you. So I don't care what the variations are.
                    But when they reach the UAV, then the helicopters will need a long arm, right?

                    LMUR remote-controlled missile on any part of the trajectory. Therefore, even without target designation from the UAV, it may well fulfill its task. UAV only expands its capabilities
                    1. +2
                      25 January 2023 08: 55
                      AWACS is something of a fantasy now, both in terms of parameters and homeopathic dosages.
                      And unlike you personally, the domestic high-tech military-industrial complex is mired in masturbation up to its ears laughing
                      1. -4
                        25 January 2023 10: 43
                        AWACS is something of a fantasy now, both in terms of parameters and homeopathic dosages.

                        a very convoluted admission that you don't know shit about the issue under discussion. Well, you know how to pompously puff out your cheeks according to American protocols laughing
                        And unlike you personally, the domestic high-tech military-industrial complex is mired in masturbation up to its ears

                        liberal whining about all is lost is not a subject of discussion.
                      2. -1
                        25 January 2023 15: 43
                        Well, of course, you have no arguments left.
                      3. -2
                        27 January 2023 04: 50
                        I see you fucking arguments came up with the essence of the issue laughing Your argumentation method:
                        - we do not have secure channels of information exchange like link-16
                        - well, as part of the KSS - OSNOD (С107, 107-1, 108, 111).
                        - crow, yes, these are variations of the American link, we don’t have AWACS, whimper, whimper, everything is gone, we haven’t grown up to the Americans, kokokoko, you have no arguments ....
                        laughing laughing
                        this is a serious discussion of a technical issue by you ????
                2. 0
                  April 13 2023 00: 24
                  And you can ask what is the communication range of OSNOD, S-108, S-111?
    2. -1
      24 January 2023 09: 37
      Yes, I wonder why they don’t make interchangeable engines and warheads for different tasks. I screwed on what was needed in the operation - and forward.
    3. 0
      24 January 2023 09: 57
      Quote: SergeyB
      The only thing, in my opinion, a range of 14,5 km will not be enough

      In fact, the rocket designer himself said that 14,5 km is a guaranteed (!) Range ... under certain conditions, the range may be slightly higher! (So, about the maximum range, the author of the article slept .. licked!)
      Quote: SergeyB
      Attach an additional upper stage based on, say, a large-caliber NURS.

      There is another popular way to increase the range ... installing a turbojet engine (turbojet engine) instead of a solid propellant rocket engine ...!
      Quote: SergeyB
      A range of 30 kilometers would be just right.

      Duc ... they all "forgotten" something, that, acre LMUR-305, the RF Ministry of Defense promised "Hermes-V" ...!
      Quote: SergeyB
      And it would be nice to work out the tactics of use when a helicopter launches a rocket according to data from a drone or the ground.

      Yes, this feature would be very useful! Speaking of application modes ... the author mentioned 2 modes, of course, the most real and really applicable! But in the "promises" (TTX) there is also a 3rd mode: the missile is autonomously launched into the area, the alleged location of a certain (!) Target ("the image" of which is located in the "memory" of the rocket ...) According to this "image" the missile must find the target and aim at it!
      There is another option for using "vabche" missiles (not only LMUR) ... This option was used, for example, in the anti-ship "Caliber" ... That is, a significant part of the "path" the missile flies at subsonic speed on the turbojet engine, but after a guaranteed capture targets of the GOS, the booster block (RDTT) is turned on and the ammunition switches to supersonic!
      1. +1
        24 January 2023 12: 32
        the rocket flies at subsonic speed on the turbojet engine, but after the target is guaranteed to be captured by the seeker, the upper stage (solid propellant rocket engine) is turned on and the ammunition goes supersonic!

        LMUR subsonic. Generally all. Why does she need supersonic? She, unlike the caliber, does not break through the air defense umbrella.
    4. +4
      24 January 2023 15: 31
      Quote: SergeyB
      The only thing, in my opinion, a range of 14,5 km will not be enough. In fact, this is not much more than regular ATGMs.


      The rocket is not made by itself. But as an attack helicopter weapon. This helicopter has a radius of confident target detection and recognition by means of avionics. You can launch a rocket at least 100 km away. How will you conduct reconnaissance there?
      1. 0
        24 January 2023 20: 19
        drones, AWACS, remote sensing satellites should be for this.
        1. -1
          25 January 2023 22: 50
          That is, to launch a rocket from a helicopter, do you propose to raise an AWACS aircraft? Are you seriously?
          Remote sensing satellites do not hang over one point of the Earth, they fly in an orbit, as a rule, geosynchronous. This means that you cannot count on their help at any given time.
          The drone is also interesting. You understand that this missile is an UAV in itself. Only with a jet engine. It turns out that to launch one UAV, you need another UAV. And a helicopter. :) In principle, the scheme has the right to life and on the Mi-28 even the "H" version has a dedicated channel for communication with the UAV. But there is no drone yet. And again, the question remains, how will you understand where to "fly" with a drone?
          Well, you flew out on a combat mission. They tell you, "Somewhere ahead, 100 km from you, there is a tank." How much do you think you will look for it from the UAV? A radius of 100 km is a VERY large area. And the reconnaissance UAV is not the fastest car. It’s easy for him to fly such a distance and it won’t be fast.
          Here is a shot at previously explored coordinates with taxiing at the final stage of the flight - this is a real option, but as already mentioned - this requires very good piloting skills. If only because the angle of view of the rocket is small (the more "zoom" the narrower it is, and you need to look from a distance of kilometers) ...
    5. -4
      24 January 2023 21: 36
      Yeah, low speed is power, it allows air defense or CAS to work on this missile.
      1. 0
        25 January 2023 11: 23
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Yeah, low speed is power, it allows air defense or CAS to work on this missile.

        And many LMURs were shot down?
        No one?
        Well, then why talk about it?
  2. +3
    24 January 2023 08: 52
    Israel puts similar systems on ground "carts", 4 pieces per SUV. If there is also a copter or UAV, you can do a lot of harm.
    1. 0
      24 January 2023 23: 05
      It seems that they wanted to do the same with us, the ROC "Baikal" is utterly similar to the LMUR launched from a ground platform with a retractable antenna. And a range of 15 km. I don't know how it went on...
    2. +2
      25 January 2023 01: 04
      Even North Korea puts its analogues
  3. +1
    24 January 2023 09: 00
    I can’t imagine how it is possible to have time to aim a missile at a target while it flies towards it? Too little time.
    1. +1
      24 January 2023 10: 31
      enough time for correction and targeting. She's not very fast. More than a minute flies to the maximum range.
  4. +1
    24 January 2023 09: 33
    It is strange that they can use mi-8, mi-28, but not mi-24, although crocodiles in the army are dofiga and are not going to abandon them in the foreseeable future. Yes, the mi-8 has already largely taken over its role, but still, in places where the enemy does not have MANPADS, but only the mi-24 machine-gun armament is very good.
    1. +4
      24 January 2023 15: 17
      Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
      It is strange that mi-8, mi-28 can be used, but mi-24 is not

      As far as I know, the rocket was made specifically for the MI-28NМ. The capabilities of the rocket are fully realizable only if there is a radar on the carrier. The Mi-8 for the FSB is rather a cunning way to implement the "topic" that has been shelved in the KBM for several decades.
  5. +4
    24 January 2023 09: 47
    It remains to wait until the Tula people finish their Hermes.
    1. +1
      24 January 2023 10: 04
      Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
      It remains to wait until the Tula people finish their Hermes.

      This Hermes drank the budget stupid system if the problem of target designation at the declared ranges is not solved. In fact, Hermes, on the basis of the failed Shell SM project, the booster unit migrated from there the warhead from Krasnopole. Needs backlight from the carrier, cannot fire on the GPS signal from Glonas. This is a kind of Ersatz Excalibur with a rocket engine with its chassis, an analogue of Himers in essence.
      1. 0
        24 January 2023 11: 16
        It has always been interesting how the control center is conducted with this system. In theory, only in coordinates. And so, the rocket for this range is not large, more powerful than a 155mm projectile with satellite guidance. And they put launchers on Kamaz 4x4 - 6 pieces. So that's a tempting unit.
        1. 0
          24 January 2023 13: 20
          Quote: Zaurbek
          It was always interesting how the control center is conducted with this system

          The presentation included a drone and ground stations.
      2. 0
        4 February 2023 13: 38
        Well, firstly, the shell, see, successfully passed the tests, and secondly, in the context of this article, the interest was precisely in Hermes-A, and there they promised an active homing head and work on the principle of a shot-forgotten from turntables and an attack aircraft at a distance of up to 20 km, which is definitely further than any MANPADS, and allows you to hit targets in the depths of enemy posts, including the same art systems, air defense, and MLRS.
  6. +9
    24 January 2023 10: 07
    Everything is wonderful, only hundreds and thousands of these LMURs are needed. There is little sense from NURSs from cabling
    1. 0
      4 February 2023 13: 43
      It’s normal for the nurses to understand, LMUR does not compete with the nurses in any way. LMUR hits warehouses and other important single targets, while nurses use dispersed infantry and vehicles. The accuracy from the cabling is sufficient there, the main thing is that the coordinates of the targets are correct.
  7. +4
    24 January 2023 11: 18
    The future "Product 305" was created by the Kolomna Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering in the first half of the tenth years by order of the Federal Security Service. It was planned to equip special forces helicopters with this missile - to hit various targets at a great distance and fire support for ground units. In the middle of the decade, the rocket passed the necessary tests and was recommended for adoption.
    In the same period, the Ministry of Defense became interested in the LMUR product.

    More precisely, Fays's "Product 305" grew out of the original army project "Product 79".
    Initially, the army ordered the rocket. And then the circus with ponies began.
    A relatively small number of samples were ordered for testing, funding is typical for MO - a small advance, and payments at the end of the R&D stages.
    In view of the failure to meet the deadlines (because of the MO, without details - this is such a failure, just an anecdote), the stages were not signed and paid for. The topic could really die out and close, and never reach the test.

    In short, the topic could just die. But art historians in civilian clothes with kind tired gray eyes did not let the project die out - the office also needed a long-range rocket for spot work. For the existing ATGMs required the carriers to approach the target too close, which could frighten it away. And aviation SDs caused unacceptable collateral damage, and for their carriers one would have to turn to the army every time.
    As a result, the Chekists picked up the development that had fallen out of the hands of the army - and as a result received the "product 305" for their Mi-8MNP-2.
    LMUR is equipped with an optical homing head with two modes of operation. At the first GOS, it captures the target before launch and follows it. The second involves flying to the target area under the control of the carrier, followed by target detection by the operator, capture and guidance.

    The second mode is a very strong sorcery. smile
    For product 305 - the mode of firing at an unobserved target is technically possible, but practically very difficult to implement, so the requirements for the operator will be VERY high due to certain limitations of the seeker and the rather high average speed of the rocket.
    I do not know whether this regime was reliably worked out in the troops (including in Syria), but this regime was not tested in interdepartmental tests. In most cases, if the operator on the helicopter does not observe the target, then there will be no launch.
    In the original version of product 305 (formally product 79), there was no radio line at all, it was then added, for the purpose of unification.
    Real work at the training ground showed that it is practically impossible to detect targets in flight, a lot depends on the operator and the interaction interface.
    There were real cases of switching targets in flight, which actually confirms the fundamental possibility of additional reconnaissance in flight and hitting an unobserved target.
    But this is with an experienced crew. Those who watched this process did not call it anything other than "rocket kung fu".

    Analogy - imagine that you have great myopia (optics is the bottleneck of the GOS) and you have to drive a Formula 1 car. Certain skills are required.
  8. +5
    24 January 2023 12: 05
    With such a guidance scheme, the missile is vulnerable to electronic warfare. It will be difficult to fight with a decent enemy.
    1. 0
      26 January 2023 04: 15
      Quote from Vashek
      With such a guidance scheme, the missile is vulnerable to electronic warfare.

      Due to the limited range and short flight time, turning on the electronic warfare and clogging up the communication channel / ly ... is difficult. Just don't have time.
      But over time, adding a guidance function for Glonas \ pre-known coordinates with additional targeting in the final area ... with some increase in range ... would be very useful.
  9. +4
    24 January 2023 12: 18
    at one time there were videos with the use of the product at the front, but for a couple of months you have not heard about it at all. Apparently problems with components.
    1. 0
      24 January 2023 15: 23
      Quote: kaluganew
      at one time there were videos with the use of the product at the front, but for a couple of months you have not heard about it at all. Apparently problems with components.


      ??? Why "everything"? Did it ever occur to you that in our army, for the entire Air Force, there are 1-2 crews capable of using this missile?
      1. +2
        25 January 2023 11: 34
        even these 1-2 crews are not firing now, judging by the published materials. Probably unlearned?
    2. +2
      24 January 2023 23: 11
      No, they simply used a previously purchased batch for several hundred missiles. Then we had a long meeting, prepared slides and presentations, looked at the allocated budget, and maybe even decided to conclude another contract for the supply of several hundred in 2023.
  10. -2
    24 January 2023 12: 38
    The speed is 220-230 m / s, this is not enough, but it seems that otherwise the range cannot be stretched. So okay.
    But what is surprising is the black and white camera. Really it was impossible to put something at the expense of a cheap smartphone? This greatly simplifies the search and identification of the target.
    Now for the carriers. Of course, the ability to use this product by combat helicopters should be. Only they have a different task, work on the front line, where no one can do it better than combat helicopters and there is nothing to distract them.
    But for arming multi-purpose helicopters just right. Without approaching the zone of action of military air defense and small arms, strike at the near rear of the enemy.
    1. +2
      24 January 2023 13: 12
      Speed ​​220-230 m/s is not enough

      Not enough for TV guidance
      But what is surprising is the black and white camera. Really it was impossible to put something at the expense of a cheap smartphone? This greatly simplifies the search and identification of the target.

      In the infrared range, making a multi-color output of an image is a mockery of the operator. In the case of TV guidance, the image quality is more dependent on the quality of the connection (therefore, up to 8 km, the Israelis still do not go away from wired transmission)
      1. -1
        24 January 2023 13: 56
        Not enough for TV guidance

        Well, of course, 60 seconds at maximum range. You can smoke.
        By the way, Sturm is also TV guidance.

        In the infrared range, making a multi-color output of an image is a mockery of the operator. In the case of TV guidance, the image quality is more dependent on the quality of the connection (therefore, up to 8 km, the Israelis still do not go away from wired transmission)


        And what, we only fight at night?
        1. 0
          24 January 2023 14: 29
          Well, of course, 60 seconds at maximum range. You can smoke.

          This is far from a record for such missiles. How do you like three minutes at maximum range?
          By the way, Sturm is also TV guidance.

          If you are talking about 9M114, then no. Telecontrol and teleguidance are two different things.
          And what, we only fight at night?

          What did you want to say?
          1. 0
            24 January 2023 15: 04
            This is far from a record for such missiles. How do you like three minutes at maximum range?

            And what's good, even Sturm flies to the maximum range in terms of perception in the cockpit for too long.

            If you are talking about 9M114, then no. Telecontrol and teleguidance are two different things.


            A young man, they don't control a rocket, they point a rocket. lol


            What did you want to say?


            Yes, the fact that you again climb into topics where you do not understand anything.
            Firstly, the bulk of the fighting takes place during daylight hours.
            Secondly, the most difficult thing when using guided missiles of the mentioned type is the search and identification of the target. And the monochrome image thus works in a minus.
            1. 0
              24 January 2023 15: 26
              And what's good, even Sturm flies to the maximum range in terms of perception in the cockpit for too long.

              Are you in a hurry somewhere? Kamikaze UAVs are even slower, they fly even further, but nothing, the operators do not have time to fall asleep.
              A young man, they don't control a rocket, they point a rocket.

              A remote guidance system in which information about the position of the missile is formed on the "carrier" and control commands are generated there - telecontrol.
              A remote guidance system in which information about the position of the missile is formed on the "rocket" and control commands are generated there - teleguidance.
              Yes, the fact that you again climb into topics where you do not understand anything.

              Well it goes without saying.
              Firstly, the bulk of the fighting takes place during daylight hours.

              AND? The spectrum of sunlight includes the infrared zone.
              Secondly, the most difficult thing when using guided missiles of the mentioned type is the search and identification of the target. And the monochrome image thus works in a minus.

              You don't need to hit the LMUR in the crowd of people in the one in the blue T-shirt.
              1. -1
                24 January 2023 17: 30
                Have you again decided to flood out of an old habit? You have already been told, I see no reason to waste my precious time on such conversations.
                1. -1
                  24 January 2023 17: 37
                  Again, out of old habit, you decided to flood

                  Well, how can you not remember the epigraph to the "Inspector"))
                  You have already been told, I see no reason to waste my precious time on such conversations.

                  Don't waste. And then write even more nonsense, in addition to the existing ones.
                  1. -3
                    24 January 2023 18: 34
                    Why are you so nervous, your job here is trolling and provocation. So take it easy on the costs.
                    1. 0
                      25 January 2023 11: 09
                      your work here...

                      And yours is to discredit SVVAUL?
                      So take it easy on the costs.

                      Are you talking about hearing nonsense? Yes, these are the costs of being in the VO of the 2020s.
                      Stupidity #1
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      But what is surprising is the black and white camera.

                      The camera is not "black and white", just for the convenience of operation, the infrared image is programmatically converted to the WHOT (hot white) or BHOT (hot black) modes - this way there is less eye fatigue, and, most importantly, night vision is less "lighted up". The fact that the camera operates in the IR range, and not in the optical (visible) range, is immediately clear from the picture with reflection characteristic of IR waves from metal surfaces and substances with a dipole structure.
                      Stupidity #2
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      By the way, Sturm is also TV guidance.

                      They do not understand the difference with telecontrol. The fact that Shturm cannot be "also teleguided" is clear, if only because the external guidance equipment has only one-way communication with the missile. Not to mention the lack of sensors on the rocket to obtain information about the location of the target.
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      And what, we only fight at night?

                      We have very little. Opportunities are limited even for training personnel to conduct such actions. Not with us, everything is in order with night operations, unfortunately. But this does not negate the inappropriateness of such a statement of the question - at least it can be immediately parried with the question - Why is thermal imaging used only at night?
                      Stupidity #3
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      A young man, they don't control a rocket, they point a rocket.

                      It was not about the process (guidance of the means of destruction), but about the type of guidance (television / telecontrol). This time. Two - guidance (missiles), according to the definition in the Military Encyclopedic Dictionary on the website of the Ministry of Defense - this is a way Management... By the way, you will also see there that telecontrol exists, and this is not the same as teleguidance ("Remote N. is carried out from point N., while control commands are generated either at point N. and transmitted to the rocket (telecontrol) (Fig. 2), or directly on board the rocket (television)."). And if you open a paper Soviet military encyclopedic dictionary, you will be surprised (for you) to find:
                      CONTROL ROCKET in flight, a targeted impact on a rocket in flight with the help of control forces and moments created by the performer. organs of the system Management rocket and ensuring its movement along a trajectory close to the calculated one. U. r. consists in controlling the movement of its center of mass (actual management or pointing) and in stabilizing motion around the center of mass (orientation).

                      Stupidity #4
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      Firstly, the bulk of the fighting takes place during daylight hours.

                      In principle, the repetition of stupidity number 2. Nothing special to add. The use of IR optics is possible during the day, because sunlight includes the IR range of waves, which means that their reflection from objects can be fixed by observation / guidance systems. The characteristics of absorption and reflection of IR waves by metals (and military equipment, oddly enough, are usually metal) contribute to both earlier detection and earlier recognition of equipment whose usual masking is usually limited to methods of reducing visibility by blurring shape / color fusion. In addition, IR waves are less scattered by the atmosphere (molecular haze) than visible waves (the intensity of light scattering is inversely proportional to 4 degree wavelength)
                      Stupidity #5
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      Secondly, the most difficult thing when using guided missiles of the mentioned type is the search and identification of the target.

                      A possible target is determined before launch, which means it has already been identified either by helicopter means or by reconnaissance / gunner. And after launch, the ability to detect / recognize "missiles of the mentioned type" only increases, since the missile is constantly reduces the distance to the target, and the picture is transmitted from the place where the rocket is located, as it comes from the rocket itself.
                      Stupidity #6
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      And the monochrome image thus works in a minus.

                      The matrix sensor ... is monochrome, the image becomes color because the matrix is ​​covered with a layer of microlenses with a red, blue or green filter. So these microlenses, part of the incident light ... reflect, so the average pixel sensitivity when outputting color declining 3-4 times. And so the monochrome image is brighter and more contrastthan color.
                      When compressed, a monochrome image occupies a volume that is two orders of magnitude smaller than a color one, and therefore there are less losses during transmission, which means that the image quality on the armament operator’s monitor is higher.
                      Stupidity #7 and #8

                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      Only they have a different task, work on the front line, where no one can do it better than combat helicopters and there is nothing to distract them.
                      But for arming multi-purpose helicopters just right. Without approaching the zone of action of military air defense and small arms, strike at the near rear of the enemy.

                      I could describe these nonsense for a long time and in detail. But ... not in horse food (according to the experience of previous communication).
                      1. -2
                        25 January 2023 19: 36
                        I'm even too lazy to read your sheet of an offended schoolboy who puffs up to look for some "nonsense" from a pilot who actually pointed those very ATGMs. wassat Answer one question if you think that speed is not important:
                        Are you in a hurry somewhere? Kamikaze UAVs are even slower, they fly even further, but nothing, the operators do not have time to fall asleep.

                        Why then abandoned the further development of the Phalanx PV and adopted the Sturm?
                        Time has passed, you are so smart. lol
                      2. -1
                        26 January 2023 13: 10
                        I'm too lazy to read

                        It's bad to be lazy, especially to be lazy to read, it wouldn't be superfluous.
                        puffing up looking for some "nonsense"

                        The most regrettable thing is that there is no need to puff up, they are so blatant and lie on the surface. And not "some", but quite definite and detailed.
                        from a pilot who actually guided those same ATGMs.

                        1) Let me remind you that in this article "those same ATGMs" are LMUR. Which you naturally did not induce.
                        2) Specialty does not speak about qualifications. You can be... a bad pilot. No, you yourself, of course, consider yourself a hoo-hoo guy.
                        3) You are trying to replace knowledge with experience (which is normal) where ... where you have no experience (which is not normal).
                        4) An attempt to expose me as a schoolboy is to sign that even a schoolboy understands the subject of discussion better than you. good
                        Answer one question if you think that speed is not important:

                        My words quoted further by you are a reaction to your subjective perception of time. Where did you see "think speed is not important"? I can say with more reason in this case that you are saying that it doesn’t matter if the missile hits the target or not.
                        Why then abandoned the further development of the Phalanx PV and adopted the Sturm?

                        1) Due to the lack of meaning, such a question is equivalent to the question "Why, then, did they abandon the further development of SS11 and adopt NOT?"
                        2) Because they were going to adopt Sturm (more precisely, Cocoon) from the moment they formulated the task and began to develop it in 1967 (as soon as they learned about the HAW program), and Phalanx-P (V) was a forced measure, an ersatz-alteration of 1969 years from Falangi-M of the MCLOS system, to the SACLOS system. Because work on 9m114 was delayed until 1974 and we were behind in time from similar projects in the West.
                        3) Sturm and Phalanx P - one concept - ATGM with radio command guidance. Even the guidance algorithm was not changed - at three points. Therefore, it is incorrect to speak of "further development".
                        4) You are trying to draw conclusions about teleguided missiles by looking for arguments in teleguided missiles. Naturally, this leads to errors in reasoning.
                        PS It's not scary not to know, it's bad to think that there is nothing to learn from others.
                      3. 0
                        26 January 2023 19: 45
                        1) Due to the lack of meaning, such a question is equivalent to the question "Why, then, did they abandon the further development of SS11 and adopt NOT?"
                        2) Because they were going to adopt Sturm (more precisely, Cocoon) from the moment they formulated the task and began to develop it in 1967 (as soon as they learned about the HAW program), and Phalanx-P (V) was a forced measure, an ersatz-alteration of 1969 years from Falangi-M of the MCLOS system, to the SACLOS system. Because work on 9m114 was delayed until 1974 and we were behind in time from similar projects in the West.
                        3) Sturm and Phalanx P - one concept - ATGM with radio command guidance. Even the guidance algorithm was not changed - at three points. Therefore, it is incorrect to speak of "further development".
                        4) You are trying to draw conclusions about teleguided missiles by looking for arguments in teleguided missiles. Naturally, this leads to errors in reasoning.
                        PS It's not scary not to know, it's bad to think that there is nothing to learn from others.


                        Do not spread your thoughts along the tree. The fact that you like to dodge and lie to me is not news for a long time. You still haven't answered why you didn't. subsonic Phalanxes of PV, where semi-automatic guidance has already been implemented in favor of supersonic Storm.
                      4. -1
                        27 January 2023 13: 26
                        The fact that you like to dodge and lie to me is not news for a long time.

                        1) Give my words where I lie.
                        2) That is, talking about rocket with TELEVISION LMUR to talk about missile with telecontrol Phalanx YOU translated, and I dodge. Not ashamed?
                        You never answered why you abandoned the subsonic PV Phalanx, where you already implemented semi-automatic guidance in favor of the supersonic Shturm.

                        1) Why did you change the wording of the question? He sounded different before. Maybe because paragraph 2 of my text you copied clearly demonstrates that you do not understand what you are asking.
                        2) The new formulation of the question is also stupid - no one refused the subsonic Phalanx-P - 9m114 appeared in the troops in 1976, and 9m17p was produced after the advent of Sturm - until 1980 inclusive, upgraded to version M, was in service until 1997.
                        3) 9m114 began to be developed not because 9m17 is subsonic, but because probable opponents switched to the second generation of ATGMs and container (tube), and not rail launchers, but we did not. That's what R&D was all about. The increase in speed is Investigation the transition to semi-automatic mode from manual (automatics kept the course of the rocket better than a person, especially during air launches), and not the reason for the development. You have lost the speed limit imposed by the human factor.

                        PS WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PHALANX OR THE STORM TO THE PRODUCT 305 ???
                      5. 0
                        28 January 2023 16: 11
                        Don't turn around. And I repeat, do not spread your thoughts along the tree. The fact that you like to dodge and lie to me is not news for a long time. You still haven't answered why you didn't. subsonic Phalanxes of PV, where semi-automatic guidance has already been implemented in favor of supersonic Storm. I specify, it is for the Mi-24.
                      6. -2
                        28 January 2023 20: 27
                        I specify, it is for the Mi-24.

                        Oh, what is it? Again, "innovation" from the one who accuses others of resourcefulness. Why's that? wassat
                        Maybe because both the Mi-8TV and the Mi-8MTV have already AFTER after they adopted the supersonic Shturm-V into service ... put the subsonic Phalanga-VP? tongue What makes your "theory" ... empty.
                        As well as the fact that last year the subsonic air versions of 52m9 were installed on the Ka-133M.
                      7. 0
                        29 January 2023 11: 49

                        Oh, what is it? Again, "innovation" from the one who accuses others of resourcefulness. Why's that? wassat
                        Maybe because both the Mi-8TV and the Mi-8MTV already AFTER the supersonic Shturm-V was put into service ... the subsonic Phalanga-VP? tongue Which makes your "theory"... hollow.
                        As well as the fact that last year the subsonic air versions of 52m9 were installed on the Ka-133M.



                        So why did Shturm become supersonic at all, since subsonic ATGMs, in your opinion, are in no way inferior? You never answered. Just keep spinning, yes spinning, yes spinning, gaining momentum. laughing
                      8. -1
                        29 January 2023 17: 23
                        You never answered.

                        Maybe because the question was asked for the first time - you changed the wording for the third time, since the answers to the previous "versions" showed that the questioner does not understand what is being discussed. And the courage to admit it is not enough.
                        since subsonic ATGMs, in your opinion, are in no way inferior?

                        1) Show where I state something similar.
                        2) And also, show me where I'm lying. You previously attributed to me a lie in something, but the request to indicate what the lie was was ignored (however, like other questions). The word of an officer, the honor of an officer ... an empty phrase, right?
                        3) The question is again stupid - they don’t approach development with such childish criteria, the concept is always established, which the designer follows. To understand this, it is enough to rephrase the question - if supersonic ATGMs are definitely better than subsonic ones, why do new subsonic ATGMs continue to appear?
                        So why did Sturm make supersonic at all

                        Because for missiles, which control occurs along the line of sight, increasing speed allows you to hit the target faster, which increases your own chances of survival.
                        Here is what I have highlighted, done, of course, for a reason. And, before writing another nonsense (and I foresee it), better think about what lies behind these highlighted words.
                      9. 0
                        30 January 2023 14: 07
                        1. Did you ask for mercy in any way? And did you go back?

                        Because for missiles that are controlled along the line of sight, an increase in speed allows you to hit the target faster, which increases your own chances of survival.
                        Here is what I have highlighted, done, of course, for a reason. And, before writing another nonsense (and I foresee it), better think about what lies behind these highlighted words.


                        But what about this, here you have long and tediously argued that speed for ATGMs is not important. lol



                        2. Already shown. A little higher. And my honor is always with me and not for anonymous scoundrels to judge it. Yes
                      10. 0
                        30 January 2023 14: 29
                        But what about this, here you have long and tediously argued that speed for ATGMs is not important.

                        Open your eyes. - there is not a word about the fact that "speed for ATGMs is not important." It says that "for TV guidance 220-230 meters is not a little."
                        Isn't that what I asked?
                        WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PHALANX OR THE STORM TO THE PRODUCT 305 ???

                        Didn't I warn you?
                        You are trying to draw conclusions about teleguided missiles by looking for arguments in teleguided missiles. Naturally, this leads to errors in reasoning.

                        In the end, already directly singled out
                        for missiles controlled line of sight

                        You disgraced yourself again, "specialist".
                        And my honor is always with me

                        It's not for you to talk about honor. The one for whom this is not an empty phrase will not baselessly and under the guise of Internet immunity accuse others of lying just to get out of the trap of their own stupidity.
                        Point out where I lied.
                      11. 0
                        31 January 2023 13: 52
                        Which of you is a "specialist" you have already shown with your "knowledge" about the breakthrough of the Maginot line. lol

                        Open your eyes. - there is not a word about the fact that "speed for ATGMs is not important." It says that "for television guidance, 220-230 meters is not enough."


                        So the question was for you, since in your opinion
                        for television guidance 220-230 meters - this is not enough
                        , so why did they abandon the subsonic ATGM "Phalanga-PV" in favor of the supersonic "Shturm".
                        You bred a bodyaga for a long time and then backtracked.

                        Isn't that what I asked?
                        WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PHALANX OR THE STORM TO THE PRODUCT 305 ???


                        Did I link them somewhere? These are your personal thoughts. More like a lie.

                        In the end, already directly singled out
                        for missiles control which occurs along the line of sight


                        Because you grind nonsense. Provide at least one document where exactly such a definition is mentioned word for word. Yes

                        Point out where I lied.

                        Pointed out more than once. Or have you already forgotten how you cut off half of the sentence?

                        It's not for you to talk about honor. The one for whom this is not an empty phrase will not baselessly and under the guise of Internet immunity accuse others of lying just to get out of the trap of their own stupidity.


                        Do you hope to provoke me with such provocations, and then immediately run to complain to the administration? So useless suffering. You are not the only one. That's just in the end, I will remain myself, and you will remain a "vile skeptic."
                      12. 0
                        31 January 2023 18: 34
                        So the question was for you, since in your opinion
                        for television guidance 220-230 meters - this is not enough
                        , so why did they abandon the subsonic ATGM "Phalanga-PV" in favor of the supersonic "Shturm"

                        You're scary, honestly. Falangi-P and Sturm have NO TV guidance. What has already been said, and then more and additionally chewed.
                        Did I link them somewhere? These are your personal thoughts. More like a lie.

                        We look carefully (and at your own picture):

                        Message number 1 - yours, talking about LMUR
                        Message number 2 - mine, talking about LMUR
                        Message No. 3 is yours, Sturm appears (and the word ALSO is used).
                        Because you grind nonsense. Provide at least one document where exactly such a definition is mentioned word for word.

                        What do you consider "nonsense"? Specifically as written. The assault is not directed along the line of sight? Is there such a thing as "line of sight"? Leave manipulations with "document word for word" for children.
                        Pointed out more than once. Or have you already forgotten how you cut off half of the sentence?

                        It is not necessary "and more than once", it is necessary to indicate a specific lie. And this is where you have a problem.
                        Do you hope to provoke me with such provocations, and then immediately run to complain to the administration?

                        If you haven’t noticed, then I don’t even give you minuses, as you do in your pettiness (after only the two of us remained active in this topic, this immediately became clear).
                      13. 0
                        1 February 2023 18: 20
                        Well, you still cry in someone's vest, maybe it will help. lol
                      14. 0
                        1 February 2023 21: 39
                        1) No one is crying, just stating a fact
                        2) As far as I understand, there is nothing to say about the case.
                      15. 0
                        6 February 2023 10: 41
                        Not exactly, I stated a fact, and you are crying. lol
                      16. 0
                        6 February 2023 10: 54
                        Not certainly in that way

                        See point 2 of the previous post.
                      17. 0
                        7 February 2023 14: 13
                        And what to watch if you don't know what TV guidance is? lol
          2. 0
            30 January 2023 13: 30
            9M114 - radio command guidance. There is no body guidance there.
            1. 0
              30 January 2023 14: 35
              9M114 - radio command guidance. There is no body guidance there.

              You wrote this to the wrong person. The fact that 9m114 does not have TV guidance, I unsuccessfully tried to explain to my opponent.
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              By the way, Sturm is also TV guidance.

              Quote: A vile skeptic
              If you are talking about 9M114, then no. Telecontrol and teleguidance are two different things.
            2. 0
              1 February 2023 18: 34
              Guys, you have read all sorts of amateur articles on the Internet and you already imagine yourself as specialists. 9M114 system guidance radio command. Guidance principle, the three-point method, aka television guidance. And for this principle, it doesn’t matter how commands are transmitted to the ATGM, by wire, or by radio.
              1. 0
                1 February 2023 21: 43
                The principle of guidance, the method of three points, it is also television guidance.

                fool
                Long thought about this stupidity or is it impromptu?
                TV guidance is impossible without GOS. Which 9m114 does NOT have.
                Aren't you tired of being embarrassed?
                1. 0
                  6 February 2023 10: 43
                  That is, in your opinion, television guidance is exclusively through the camera? At least you looked into Google, or something. lol
                  1. 0
                    6 February 2023 10: 52
                    That is, in your opinion, television guidance is exclusively through the camera?

                    No. TV guidance is exclusively when "information about the position of the rocket is formed on the" rocket "and control commands are generated there." You were even given a definition from the military dictionary on the website of the Ministry of Defense. Tell us how, without a GOS, a rocket learns about its position in space relative to the target?
                    At least you looked into Google, or something.

                    This is said by a person who blurted out "the three-point method, aka television guidance"
                    1. 0
                      7 February 2023 14: 50
                      No. TV guidance is exclusively when "information about the position of the rocket is formed on the" rocket "and control commands are generated there."


                      Are you seriously?
                      Still, advice, you need to study military affairs in a real way, and not having read just one dictionary, imagine yourself a guru and carry fierce nonsense.
                      lol
                      1. 0
                        7 February 2023 15: 31
                        Are you seriously?

                        Absolutely.
                        Still, advice, you need to study military affairs in a real way, and not having read just one dictionary, imagine yourself a guru and carry fierce nonsense.

                        Don't worry about the amount of stuff I've learned.
                        The problem for your self-confidence is that where you are now in a hurry looking for information on a topic is based on definitions half a century ago. It was not just that it was written to you that now they separately distinguish between what is considered telecontrol and what is teleguidance. What was not there before.
                      2. 0
                        8 February 2023 23: 25
                        Absolutely.
                        Don't worry about the amount of stuff I've learned.


                        I even feel sorry for you. I'm just imagining how hard it is for you. It is one thing to carry nonsense under an anonymous nickname and quite another real. lol

                        The problem for your self-confidence is that where you are now in a hurry looking for information on the topic is based on definitions half a century ago.


                        Well, yes, of course, in the school and in the service they taught me incorrectly, but you read the utter truth on the Internet. So-so argument, rotten however.

                        It was not just written to you that now they separately distinguish between what is considered telecontrol and what is teleguidance. What was not there before.


                        You know, I won't even burden you with the requirement to provide official technical documents where such a division exists.
                        But first try to answer what does the prefix TELE mean? Yes
                      3. 0
                        9 February 2023 09: 10
                        I even feel sorry for you.

                        Again verbiage, not related to the topic of conversation.
                        Well, yes, of course, in the school and in the service they taught me wrong

                        1) And this is a question that is indirectly related to your specialization, just for informational purposes. 2) The fact that you were taught does not mean that you studied 3) Tank tactics and the history of the French campaign of 1940 were also taught to you there, probably lol
                        You know, I won't even burden you with the requirement to provide official technical documents where such a division exists.

                        Primitive manipulation from a person who does not understand the principles of compiling that very "documentation", and who has never provided a single document confirming his words.
                        But first try to answer what does the prefix TELE mean?

                        To begin with, you try to answer all the questions that are asked to you and which you simply decide not to notice. before demanding anything from others.
                        The prefix TELE- is equally present in the word "television" and in the word "telecontrol" - therefore it does not matter at all that it means "carried out from afar." back to milk tongue
    2. +1
      24 January 2023 15: 26
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      But what is surprising is the black and white camera. Really it was impossible to put something at the expense of a cheap smartphone? This greatly simplifies the search and identification of the target.

      I will open the secret of the Open - the "camera" there is multispectral, the picture is NOT black and white. This image given to monochrome :)
      1. -2
        24 January 2023 19: 27
        Well, at least that's comforting. The cameras are now, a penny.
  11. +1
    24 January 2023 12: 46
    It remains, on the basis of a very successful model "305" LMUR, to develop systems for launching from the ground, an option for the coast guard. Do not stop the process itself.
  12. +1
    24 January 2023 23: 29
    Really actual rocket. That's just Suspension Devices APU-305 and APU-L are painfully oversized. The suspension for assault and attack is much more compact and 4 missiles are mounted on one. This allows the Ka-52 and Mi-28 to carry 8 of them. and additionally 2 packages with NUR. If on 4 APU-L hang 8 pcs. "305", then you won't take anything else. Yes, and 8 of these missiles will still not be enough. Apache has 16 such missiles. on two hangers.
  13. -1
    25 January 2023 01: 02
    The future "Product 305" was created by the Kolomna Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering in the first half of the tenth years by order of the Federal Security Service. It was planned to equip special forces helicopters with this missile - to hit various targets at a great distance and fire support for ground units. In the middle of the decade, the rocket passed the necessary tests and was recommended for adoption.

    In the same period, the Ministry of Defense became interested in the LMUR product.
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------

    Nonsense, the rocket was developed under Serdyukov for the Moscow Region, but the genius Shoigu did not buy and was attached to the FSB. Everything modern under Shoigu was sabotaged
    1. 0
      25 January 2023 22: 57
      Quote: Sergey Kazarin
      Nonsense, the rocket was developed under Serdyukov for the Moscow Region, but the genius Shoigu did not buy and was attached to the FSB. Everything modern under Shoigu was sabotaged


      No, it's not nonsense. Rocket Have begun develop for MO. But the military allocated approximately 40% of the R&D amount declared by the Design Bureau, after which the funding was stopped. As a result, the topic almost died. And it was the FSB officers who financed the development to the end, and after them the missile was included in the Mi-28NM arsenal.
      No one "sabotaged anything under Shoigu." The work was carried out according to schedules and in the amount of funding.
  14. +1
    27 January 2023 09: 18
    Handsome Ryabov! DOES NOT freeze! Three identical articles on the same topic went wild! Previously, he juggled with words and sentences in one article, now with articles! Links: https://topwar.ru/198796-potencial-i-vozmozhnosti-rakety-lmur-305.html
    https://topwar.ru/198077-legkaja-mnogocelevaja-upravljaemaja-raketa-305-v-specoperacii.html
    It’s not for the VO website to write about stagnation and window dressing in industry, the army and the space industry ...
  15. 0
    27 January 2023 20: 48
    And if it’s not a secret, 305 with mi-8 was used for real purposes? I ask for statistics of history using weapons of any kind with the Mi-8. With the Mi-28NM and Ka-52M I know what they use. For example, we know with Mi-8 used 9M17m, LAHAT, Spike - NLOS. I saw 9M114, but for them I also don’t know about the use of biy
  16. 0
    27 January 2023 21: 46
    Video today was from Ugledar.
    2 missiles, two hit oporniks - no risk to the crew.
    Krasnopol, Lancet, LMUR - a solid trio.
  17. 0
    4 March 2023 13: 17
    I think the option of launching from ground carriers would be very interesting. Pickup truck, light armored car or something like that with 2-4 launchers. 25 kg OFBCH (or OD) will work much better on the fortifications and dugouts of the ukrovermacht than a conventional cumulative ATGM.
  18. 0
    April 5 2023 16: 39
    Quote: vadimtt
    AWACS is something from the realm of fantasy now
    Where I live, these AWACS are buzzing day and night and almost every day.