From the point of view of the infantry. Beard, iPhone, tablet - all according to Hasek

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From the point of view of the infantry. Beard, iPhone, tablet - all according to Hasek

Good day to all. This is a cycle. New, and hopefully informative. It is being created together with our reader, whom many know as the Observer2014 and appreciate for his grumpy temper and inconsistency in judgments. But behind the statements of the Internet Observer, there is a very peculiar person who is best characterized by the fact that more than six months ago he went to the front of the NWO. Volunteer. And now he has already served his first (and, as it turned out, not the last) contract and is in limbo.

Between the first and second, as you know, the gap should be very small, and while Sergei (I will call him that, not by nickname about the person) is resting in the company of his comrades, we decided to use this time to good use and had quite long conversations on given topics. And then other fighters began to join us, which made the picture clearer.



And based on these conversations, transferring what was recorded to Internet pages, we will talk about many things that are very important and significant for shooters, machine gunners, grenade launchers, there are even two artillerymen, also our readers, whose explanations I will insert as an explanation into infantry reflections.

Well, Comrade Sergey / Observer2014 himself, as far as possible, will comment on what we will upload. And within the framework of this cycle, we are going to talk about many things, so to speak, exclusive in some way, since what comes into the soldiers' heads during trench seats, to be honest, will not even fly into a single military commander's head.

Generals from the State Duma


But let's start with General Sobolev's sensational statement about beards and tablets. Of course, now the “brave” general has already admitted his mistakes in relation to the Chechen fighters after a tank Kadyrov got in and trampled on our general, but, in fact, Sobolev remained unconvinced.


I would compare Sobolev's actions with the literary character of the immortal Yaroslav Hasek and his work on the adventures of the good soldier Schweik:

“The general paid so much attention to the latrines, as if the victory of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy depended on them. Regarding the situation created in connection with the declaration of war by Italy, the general said that it was in the latrines that our undoubted advantage in the Italian campaign was. The victory of Austria clearly followed from a latrine.

Something very similar, don't you think?

Sobolev, a general whose participation in hostilities is ZERO, whose highest award is the Cross of Military Merit, which, according to the statute, is given for high appraisal of the training of the entrusted troops and impeccable length of service, today rushes to decide how the fighters should groom themselves.

Moreover, there was another deputy general who supported Sobolev. This is Colonel-General Viktor Zavarzin, whose list of military affairs is much shorter than the list of his sitting in the State Duma. In fact, Zavarzin participated in only one "hot" case - the throw of Russian paratroopers to Pristina. Beautiful, but completely useless. On the other hand, Zavarzin has been sitting in the Duma for four terms, only not from the Communist Party, like Sobolev, but from United Russia.

“The goal is not to shave or not to shave the beard, but to maintain hygiene whenever possible during breaks. For this, commanders must create all conditions. You can wear a beard, but everything should be neat, ”- from an interview with Zavarzin to the RBC channel

“Currently, the Ministry of Defense pays great attention to the nutrition and hygiene of fighters who are in the combat zone”

And now the word to the fighters of different units, who literally experienced this “big attention” on their skin.

About water


Infantry - it is different. There are those who sit at the very front, there are those who are engaged in security at a distance. You can protect artillerymen, anti-aircraft gunners, warehouses, equipment maintenance points - in general, there are many targets at some distance from the front line, which the same dashing Ukrainian guys from the DRG care about.

My interlocutors belonged to both categories, there were also those in front of whom only fighters with thermal imagers stuck out, looking out for those who wanted to roam around the rear, there were also those who slept during the day and guarded the guns and crews at night.

The stories of all come down to one thing: for six months of the contract, that very command could not even once organize the most elementary bathing of personnel. Never. Everything went according to the scheme “saving the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves”.

In general, the issue of water supply is a very painful issue. The delivery of water to those places where there are no normal sources was organized simply disgustingly. By the way, when the foot soldiers stood at the turn of the Dnieper, local loyalists immediately warned that it was categorically dangerous to take water from the river, since so much sewage was drained into the Dnieper that the water in it was really a source of infection.

Really saved springs, which are few in that area, but do happen. But the spring is only half the battle, the water still needs to be heated somehow. And in something. And this is also a problem. Some might say that water can be heated in a field kitchen. You know, if there is one, it's the kitchen. Here Sergey saw her once, broken on the side of the road, and they unscrewed something useful from her there for themselves. But there will be a separate discussion about feeding, since it is generally sacred, but the details of the saint are necessary.

So, in order to fulfill the desires of Mr. Deputy Sobolev, you need to figure out a lot: collect and bring water, heat it up on something, and then begin to put yourself in order. It is clear that the main majority is doing this without waiting for sanctions from above. These are still people, albeit limited by many hardships and deprivations of military service.

But when it starts, as was the case with another Sergei, an artilleryman, then the logic generally runs away and burrows itself. Examination. This is generally epic, gentlemen colonels from various headquarters of all levels, from divisional to district, are very fond of checking gunners. It is clear why: the gunners are not on the front line and therefore it is not so dangerous there for the priceless lives of the inspectors. And therefore, to bang artillery is generally sacred for staff.

They brought as many as four colonels from the district headquarters. But they didn't bring water. And here is the situation: the colonels want to conduct a drill review to determine the level of compliance of the division with the proud title of Russian artillerymen, but the personnel have no opportunity to demonstrate this level due to the trivial lack of water, which has not been brought for two days.

In general, it is clear how the gentlemen of the auditors behaved, as a result, the personnel of the artillery division fought themselves almost dry, using the last drops from the flasks. The commander still received a reprimand for the dirty uniform from those who arrived, in general, everyone is almost satisfied. Gentlemen, the colonels found a violation that undermines the foundations of the combat readiness of the Russian artillery, they will have something to scrawl in the report. Detected, ordered to be removed. And the tattered and cut faces of the gunners are of no interest to anyone. Because there must be order.

And here it just takes melancholy: if washing at best is a five-liter canister with lukewarm water heated on a home-made boiler with diesel fuel from friends on caterpillars, then what to do with the form that is so dear to the hearts of the inspectors? After all, really, well, no one in the headquarters is interested in how everything is organized. The tactic of sloping shoulders at its worst.

Of course, if you remember my visits to all these ostentatious exhibitions of ours, if you look through the pages of VO, you can also find my photo stories about the superbahn, where while a soldier is washing, his uniform is washed and dried. A forty-minute cycle - and the fighter is washed, shaved, washed.

But everything turned out to be the same fairy tale in one copy, like the main number of new products of all these “Armies-…”. None of those with whom I spoke saw mobile baths in the eyes. None at all.

And Sobolev believes that "commanders must create all conditions".

Yes, it's just great to think, sitting in the State Duma. On full state security, with a half-million salary. I will allow myself one more quote from Mr. General-Deputy:

“I don’t think that with any of the most intense combat activities, there is no 15-20 minutes to tidy up your appearance. Peaceful people look at the soldier, he should be a model"

Another quote from Hasek:

“It’s much more pleasant to peel potatoes in the kitchen, roll up dumplings and mess with meat, than under heavy enemy fire, putting on full underpants, yelling: “Einzelnabfallen! Bajonett auf!” (One by one! Attach bayonets!)

Thanks, of course, to Prigozhin and Kadyrov, our oppositionists. After the roar from Grozny reached Moscow, Sobolev, of course, gave up. Everything he said, it turns out, does not apply to Chechen fighters from the National Guard. But for everyone else, it must be accepted for execution.

Of course, gentlemen deputy-generals are very far from the Duma meeting room to the front line. That is why they allow themselves such statements. In general, another quote came to mind, only from Harry Harrison and his comedic creation "Bill the Galactic Hero".

- All right, sir. Things are going like clockwork, sir. No complaints!
Why not in shape?
- I'm in shape, sir! squealed Spleen, moving closer to the screen to hide his bare ass and trembling legs.
- You're lying! You have sweat on your forehead, and you are not allowed to sweat in uniform. Am I sweating? And I'm also wearing a cap, put on, as you can see, at the right angle. Okay, I have a heart of gold, and this time I forgive you. Free!
- You dastardly son of a bitch! - Spleen swore loudly and tore off his uniform. The thermometer showed 48 degrees and the mercury continued to rise - Sweat! They have an air conditioner on the bridge, and where do you think they dump the heated air? Here!

So the words of Prigozhin, who called the demands of Sobolev and Zavarzin "archaic" - this is just flowers. Berries are what the soldiers themselves say. And they say you can imagine that. In itself, the vicious practice of the Russian army “I ordered, but how you do it, I don’t care” as harmful as possible. But there is nothing to be done, those who give such orders have not been and will not be on the front line.


Here Ramzan Akhmatovich suggested that all "guardians of the charter" be sent to the front line. But what should our General Deputies 73 and 74 years of age do? What, excuse me, can two pensioners organize there? Wash for one brigade?

And you know, I doubt it.

In itself, age already suggests that it is high time for them to retire to their well-deserved rest and provide assistance to the Russian army with their complete non-interference in its affairs. And this will be the best that our brave, ageless deputies-general can offer.

And I would like to finish the topic of beards with another quote from Hasek. Surprisingly, more than a hundred years have passed since the events that he described, but alas, nothing has changed at all and The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik is still relevant. To my great regret.

“Not everyone can be smart. As an exception, there should also be stupid ones, because if everyone were smart, then there would be so much intelligence in the world that every second person would become a complete idiot from this.

How great it would be if the Russian soldiers were simply not interfered with. They didn’t forbid shooting where enemy shells were coming from, they didn’t force them to learn songs and shave their beards in the absence of water, a soldier, he himself is able to take care of his appearance and hygiene, if he is given such an opportunity.

Just an appeal: gentlemen, deputies general, calm down and don't interfere. Everything will be done without you, your attempts to indicate your minimum usefulness are still doomed to failure. This, alas, is a given today.

In general, it is worth thinking about the future, but is there a place for those who are over 70 in a place like the State Duma?
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  1. +27
    23 January 2023 04: 44
    Well, checks are always sacred, but horseradish vegetables still make heaps of polkans and semi-polkans who don’t have to do normal work where at the headquarters.
    I don’t know if the Russian army is very different from the SA, but I’m afraid there are no less nerds,
    1. +23
      23 January 2023 05: 16
      And you listen to Solovyov: He flies on the NVO, and on Sundays he enthusiastically tells how everyone there clearly and well organized, therewhere he has been ... And in other places?
      1. +15
        23 January 2023 09: 47
        You know, dear Vladimir, Roman has a critic in his article, without which there can be no normal development. Checking colonels are looking for flaws, but those that can be blamed on those being checked. So who are these colonels and the generals who sent them? Yes, that's exactly what they are. I, a sinner, thought that at least in the army we have relative order. What the rule of communicating vessels does not apply to her is that the disorder with finances, the economy, and management affects all areas in the state.
        And Skomorokhov's soul hurts for the country.
        1. +32
          23 January 2023 10: 14
          I, a sinner, thought that at least in the army we have relative order. What the rule of communicating vessels does not apply to her is that the disorder with finances, the economy, and management affects all areas in the state.
          You are not alone, you are also sinful ...
          And Skomorokhov's soul hurts for the country.
          The story begins, as with Klimov. They were also not accused of anything, but he turned out to be right regarding the state of affairs of our fleet in everything ... Or how many slops were poured on Strelkov here at the beginning of the NWO - and he also turned out to be right in many ways. Roman in the comments below "a wave of popular anger" rises, but what did he say wrong?
          1. +12
            23 January 2023 19: 54
            Quote: not the one
            And Skomorokhov's soul hurts for the country.
            The story begins, as with Klimov. They were also not accused of anything, but he turned out to be right regarding the state of affairs of our fleet in everything ... Or how many slops were poured on Strelkov here at the beginning of the NWO - and he also turned out to be right in many ways. Roman in the comments below "a wave of popular anger" rises, but what did he say wrong?

            This is not a "wave of popular anger", this is the order of those whom he hooked. According to Rogozin, it went the same way.
          2. -4
            25 January 2023 00: 45
            "Or how much slop was poured on Strelkov here at the beginning of the NWO - and he also turned out to be right in many respects" - what is right - answer in essence? That Kuban and Moscow will be squeezed out? Or do you have a memory like an aquarium fish?
            Strelkov is still a specialist ... You better ask why the Armed Forces of Ukraine let him out of Slavyansk so calmly in 2014?
      2. -3
        25 January 2023 23: 07
        listen to nightingale droppings? do you really offer it? )
    2. +29
      23 January 2023 06: 00
      Reminds me of a joke from the 80s. Lies on the operating table Colonel. The skull is opened, the brain is pulled out, surgeons conjure over it. The adjutant comes up and whispers, “Colonel, they gave you a general,” he jumps off, cradles his skull and run. The surgeon followed "Colonel, what about the brains?" He replied, "Why do I need them now." This is such a harsh truth. And, looking at the mess in the Ministry of Defense, you understand that the majority are like that.
      1. +17
        23 January 2023 06: 29
        Bardak is not the right word, only obscene language climbs on the tongue. Thanks to the author for
        interesting new series of articles on the topic of the day. I wish our soldiers to return home alive, healthy and with victory. hi
        1. +10
          23 January 2023 07: 40
          These old robbers will not come up with something yet, especially in the matter of traditional values ​​(as you know, there are no other problems), for example - serfdom, the right of the first night, rods for serfs and their smerds.
          1. +3
            23 January 2023 20: 44
            You are very right. For this public, it is important to respect the status, hierarchy at any cost. Boots should be according to the status, tarpaulin, yuft, barren. And here it is important for them to be able to humiliate the fighters in any way possible, to force them to shave off their beards. This is forever yesterday, even though the Communists, even United Russia. They are ready to demoralize, demotivate the fighters, at least to come to defeat in this way, the status and the way to rule despite the consequences are important for them.
      2. +16
        23 January 2023 08: 29
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        "Why do I need them now?"

        "Let the colonels think!" And so the joke ends... hi
      3. +3
        24 January 2023 09: 12
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        And looking at the mess in the Ministry of Defense

        Can anyone tell me why we have a mess everywhere? And always.
        1. +3
          24 January 2023 17: 55
          The fish rots from the head, obviously. When your state contracts are fulfilled not by the one who does it better, but by a friend from the Ozero cooperative, then in general this is how it turns out
    3. +14
      23 January 2023 06: 04
      The selection is for cretins. They are easier to serve. Fulfill any requirements of the authorities accurately and on time, and you are a good commander.
      1. TIR
        +9
        23 January 2023 18: 36
        As they say, if you want to know what kind of people are in the community, then talk to one of its representatives. When such idiots from the State Duma speak out, trying to show that they are doing something there, you understand that there are a bunch of idiots
        1. TIR
          +5
          23 January 2023 18: 43
          Moreover, from this gathering, not only did they not try to pull back one "wise guy", but on the contrary, they only aggravated the situation by actually supporting his words. There really people of one brain are collected or something
    4. +21
      23 January 2023 09: 26
      Quote: saigon
      In general, it is worth thinking about the future, but is there a place for those who are over 70 in a place like the State Duma?

      In general, it is worth thinking about the future, but is there a place for those who are over 70 in a place like the State Duma?

      The worst thing is not the old senile in the State Duma, the cretin at the headquarters who loves to go to the rear with checks. An inspection came to Shali in 2001 in the shade + 45 it was at lunchtime we left the PRP-3 in only shorts and flip flops. Such a shot caught the eye so he screamed like he was hysterical, that his voice broke off, but we got dressed and sat down with him in the PRP-3, he wanted to drive outside with a breeze, but the battalion commander scared him that they were operating in the vicinity of a sniper and it was better inside, I also told the driver so that he didn’t drive, but drove longer, they battened down all the hatches and drove off, after 5 minutes he howled how hot it was all wet got out of it. At the positions of the hail batteries, he no longer yelled that everyone was sitting in a tent in shorts, but instead of a tent, in fact, a tent without walls. He asked for water, they gave him warm water with a specialist, he says that it is so warm, he was hot in response and pointed to a rubber waterskin where water was brought to us once a week. So after this incident, military engineers arrived and drilled a well in the location of the unit and a filter station appeared. So we will not hide if we found some kind of kung, then we tried to make a mobile bathhouse out of it on a trailer from a tractor or KAMAZ if we were lucky. In our division, we made a mobile bath under the old division commander for washing personnel and washing. When the new one came, he made it a VIP bathhouse for the Shokal Corps with whores but without blackjack, and he transferred us to a bathing tent where you will freeze before you wash up. The result was simple, they took a camping tent and a cot and a bucket of stones that were heated on a potbelly stove and washed like that.
    5. +2
      23 January 2023 18: 27
      The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense.
    6. +9
      23 January 2023 21: 52
      Quote: saigon

      I don’t know if the Russian army is very different from the SA, but I’m afraid there are no less nerds,

      Nothing different. And I believe that if the personnel at least once a week did not take a bath in the bathhouse, the zampokhoz should be hung up for a causal place. To build something similar to a bath is not difficult, there would be a desire. And if it is not there, then the gentlemen generals-deputies could organize a magic pendel. Instead of complaining about beards.
      Back in 87, in the Chernobyl zone (2nd sector of the civil defense) in our battalion there was a bathhouse and not just a bathhouse, but with a steam room for 3 people, 4 watering cans and even a pool with a diameter of 2 meters. Due to the fact that the bath worked around the clock, there was never a queue, but we washed every day. All this household was in a tent, and even in December it was possible to calmly bathe and wash. All this economy was provided by the GAZ-66.
      All this is not difficult to do, you just need to kick the zampokhoz well.
      1. +1
        26 January 2023 17: 22
        "It is not difficult to build something similar to a bathhouse, if there is a desire"
        in the Soviet army there were mobile baths, on the ZIL 131 chassis, I saw them myself. Where are they? if they run out, or everything is stolen, production can be organized at any plant in two weeks. factories, say no? organize production on the basis of the main temple of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, and at the expense of the priests, they will be more useful
    7. +1
      25 January 2023 21: 37
      Quote: saigon
      only I'm afraid there are no less cretins,

      Totally agree!
  2. +10
    23 January 2023 04: 49
    Morozov, according to legend, was at the forefront in 86
    let me show you an example...
  3. -37
    23 January 2023 04: 56
    Some strange articles. Comrade Skoromokhov does not like the deputies of the State Duma from the Communist Party. Well, the deputy said something, they listened and forgot. Here is a storm in a teacup. Checking bang, incomprehensible requirements, now about the water. It seems that no one knows anything, one comrade Skoromokhov is aware of everything that is happening. And GOU GSh and information hotel GSh rolled into one. Maybe a comrade is also called to the ranks. On the other hand, writing is very good. And in the end - I wrote and warned. This writing becomes uninteresting.
    1. +22
      23 January 2023 06: 15
      Quote: lambert
      Checking bang, incomprehensible requirements, now about the water. It seems that no one knows anything, one comrade Skoromokhov is aware of everything that is happening.

      Once, at the beginning of the lieutenant's "career", the regiment's chief of staff, who took it upon himself to bring in the contingent of graduates of schools and universities who had arrived for service, convincingly explained to us that as the task was set and provided, so it will be fulfilled. Here, gentlemen Volodin and Gerasimov, on whose behalf all sorts of inspectors come, would inflict on these inspectors a detailed public (at a meeting of the Duma or an operational meeting of the corresponding department / department of the General Staff) "interrogation" - what did these inspections bring useful for fulfilling the tasks of the NWO? And not the number of reprimands to trench officers, but how did the senior level of headquarters move the rear to the front line? How many "super-baths" serve a simple concrete line company/battery? What practical steps are taken by these reviewers to address the concerns they have painstakingly dug up? And after that, set a deadline and send other people there to check the work of these inspectors. I am sure that after a couple of such hearings, the number of people who want to "hang around" in the NWO zone (to mark in the personal file about participation in combat ....) will sharply decrease, or vice versa, the climate in the trenches will improve. And a simple statement of the presence of zealous staff officers will not give anything worthwhile. These "staff officers" were in the tsarist army, in the Red Army during the Second World War, in the Soviet army. Why would they disappear from Russia?
      1. +17
        23 January 2023 09: 07
        Just run a parallel check and find out what was checked. Then minus an asterisk. And maybe a pension. Drive, in short. Ballast is not needed.
        1. +5
          23 January 2023 18: 29
          As I put on my sword belt, I grow dumb and dull.
          1. 0
            25 January 2023 21: 39
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            As I put on my sword belt, I grow dumb and dull.

            If you are so smart, then why don’t you walk in formation and don’t wear vests ???
          2. 0
            26 January 2023 19: 13
            With he%rali?! Personal experience or so, just croak?!
        2. 0
          24 January 2023 17: 58
          To run a parallel check, someone must be interested in it. And who wants to take out dirty linen from the hut? it is better to send a scribble upstairs saying that "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" or "Ukrainians will meet us with flowers."
        3. 0
          28 January 2023 22: 02
          You don’t need to drive, just appoint a c. to the front line.
    2. +8
      23 January 2023 09: 47
      Quote: lambert
      It seems that no one knows anything, one comrade Skoromokhov is aware of everything that is happening.

      I don't like Skomorokhov, even though he'll come out of his skin. But in this particular case, I’ll tell you that you are wrong in the article, everything that has been said resonates with the communication of the demobilized members of the NWO and with my cousin, who returned essentially disabled with cold kidneys after spending a week in a trench under heavy rain and shelling. Pili said rainwater, since you taught me how to get it drinkable, some of the puddles scooped. The most difficult thing for a warrior is the presence of drinking water; it is a source of life and disease at the same time.
      1. +1
        23 January 2023 20: 08
        Quote: insafufa
        Quote: lambert
        It seems that no one knows anything, one comrade Skoromokhov is aware of everything that is happening.

        I don't like Skomorokhov, even though he'll come out of his skin. But in this particular case, I’ll tell you that you are wrong in the article, everything that has been said resonates with the communication of the demobilized members of the NWO and with my cousin, who returned essentially disabled with cold kidneys after spending a week in a trench under heavy rain and shelling. Pili said rainwater, since you taught me how to get it drinkable, some of the puddles scooped. The most difficult thing for a warrior is the presence of drinking water; it is a source of life and disease at the same time.

        Oh my ... they taught me how to extract water. Great science to collect rainwater
        1. 0
          23 January 2023 23: 10
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          . Great science to collect rainwater

          They drank from the puddles in the forest after the march ... They blew the whole company to mud .. And, interestingly, no one suffered from diarrhea ...
          1. +1
            26 January 2023 19: 17
            Lucky. And in our school, a third of the battalion crap before the holidays. So they had to spoil exclusively secretly and secretly, because the vacation of the entire battalion was in jeopardy with all the consequences for the "assholes". We drank a decoction of camel thorn, strong tea, and everyone was miraculously healed!
    3. +20
      23 January 2023 10: 36
      [quote=lambert]Well, the deputy said something, they listened and forgot./ Quote]
      Oh how! And why do we need such deputies then!?
    4. +2
      24 January 2023 09: 20
      Quote: lambert
      It seems that no one knows anything, one comrade Skoromokhov

      If, in your opinion, everyone who should know, EVERYONE knows, then why do we not have a picture anywhere that even remotely resembles a rainbow?
  4. -11
    23 January 2023 05: 11
    Without significant strategic success this year on the outskirts, liberal politicians will merge the entire SVO. Most likely, the right people from the prosecutor’s office are already looking for someone to play the role of “Budanov” in this situation, to stop the careers of “leftists not from the cage” with the combat experience of officers
    1. -3
      23 January 2023 09: 53
      Quote: Guran33 Sergey
      Most likely, the right people from the prosecutor's office are already looking for someone to play the role of "Budanov" in this situation, to stop the careers of "leftists not from the cage" with the combat experience of officers

      Budanov himself is to blame for his fate, there is no need to look for a mystical combination of circumstances. He took the girl and could not ensure her protection from the lynching of his subordinates, as he was intoxicated. Then these subordinates of his surrendered him saying that they acted on his orders. You can’t engage in lynching, and even Budanov was originally of ultra-right views, hence his actions are not fully adequate.
      1. 0
        29 January 2023 09: 23
        "Budanov" not as a specific person, but as a specific action and the counterproductive propaganda surrounding him about the participants in the military operation by the state and liberal media
  5. +11
    23 January 2023 05: 15
    The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense. As Pikul wrote, the army is decorated with disabled veterans. And such invalids from the mind only dishonor.
  6. 0
    23 January 2023 05: 22
    A lot of dope in the head of some generals accumulates from sitting in a chair for a long time.
    And so I read the respected Observer 2014 regularly smile... I sympathize with him of course
    ... because I felt in my own skin what it means to work around the clock in the rain and snow ... it's not ice, of course ... then some boss comes and begins to subtly press on a sore spot where it is not necessary ... a sadist in one word .
    According to the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthis Sobolev, in order to replenish the skills of field service, it would be necessary to subordinate Sergei for a month, at least seconded ... in November, December, so ... in slush and cold ... brains will quickly air out.
  7. 0
    23 January 2023 05: 54
    In fact, Zavarzin participated in only one "hot" case - the throw of Russian paratroopers to Pristina. Beautiful, but completely useless.
    - do not forget to say this with the help of the media, or better personally, also to Yunusbek Yevkurov and the rest of his colleagues in this cast. Throw it on the fan.
    1. 0
      23 January 2023 20: 31
      And what, the personal participation of Yevkurov and others made this really outstanding throw useful? Nice! And they left quietly.
      1. 0
        29 January 2023 09: 29
        Petrukh fifth, the guys from the RAF did something from which the ebna on the push first suffered and then the Americans kissed the shoes
  8. +27
    23 January 2023 05: 58
    Like being at home. He served as a volunteer from June to the end of December. Through Grozny. About water to the point. About beards ... It's like in hockey, it's a bad omen to shave. Yes, and flies with a beard bother less in the summer. And there are a lot of flies in Ukraine. And the generals? Fortunately, he fought at the very front line, then the commander of the regiment came there once in all the time.))))
  9. +12
    23 January 2023 06: 02
    I would call these figures old senile. But I am sure that even in their youth these specimens did not shine with mental activity. I've seen enough of these.
    Interestingly, where are all the defenders of your favorite army formations on the site? There were a lot of them here a year ago. It seems that the retired, having lived in civilian life, and having listened to what their "colleagues" who are still retired, decided to shut up so that they would not throw rags at them.
    For some reason, after the demobilization (88th year), I was sure that if there was a war, the 41st year awaits us. Fortunately, we started here first. And the opponent is no longer the same.
  10. +14
    23 January 2023 06: 03
    I immediately remembered the footage of the minister’s visit to an exemplary (100% built for his arrival) dugout, sheathed with clean sheets of chipboard, warm, dry ..... If I remember correctly, the boss, when giving an order, must provide the subordinate with everything necessary for its implementation ... But remembering this is not beneficial for the boss ...... For then you need to turn on your head and tear your butt off the chair.
  11. +10
    23 January 2023 06: 30
    In this case, I completely agree with the author. Yes
    What is rummaging through the skulls of authorized qualified generals almost always differs from reality. And if they also express their nonsense using their position, then ... request
    And here I again agree with the author - if you can’t help fight, then at least don’t interfere with your idiocy ...
  12. +4
    23 January 2023 06: 36
    Watch from 10 min. 35 sec. And 13 min. 45 tsec.

    The general paid so much attention to the latrines, as if the victory of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy depended on them. Regarding the situation created in connection with the declaration of war by Italy, the general said that it was in the latrines that our undoubted advantage in the Italian campaign was. The victory of Austria clearly followed from a latrine.

    And it's not funny...
    Against the background of our generals, admirals ...
    At one time, a cycle of programs by K. Nabutov "One day in the life ..." was shown on TV. Well, they showed the day of Admiral Popov, commander of the Northern Fleet.
    Upon arrival at the flagship, the missile cruiser "Peter the Great", the first thing he checked was ... latrines !!! He didn’t announce a combat alert, didn’t check the main combat post, but went to check the latrine, as if there were no midshipmen and others. I was very outraged at that moment that I remembered it .... And two months later the phrase "She drowned" sounded.
    On the cruiser "Moskva", I'm sure the latrines also shone ... Everything according to Hasek.
    1. +9
      23 January 2023 08: 54
      In many theories of people management it is said that the toilet is an indicator of a production culture and I agree with this 200%. It's just that they often forget that the key word in this phrase is "indicator". It's like a pregnancy test, you can draw stripes as much as you like, but this will not affect the appearance of the child. So with the toilet / latrine, torn off for verification only means that everything else will be done only for verification.
  13. +12
    23 January 2023 06: 40
    As old as the world. Checking how the pioneers who come to the camp in arrivals, one party after another, arrives in the unit, for some time fooling the commanders and fighters, in most cases interfering with combat work and getting in the way with their claims and comments (although there are rare exceptions) and "to Moscow , to Moscow" for the cherished record in the personal file about participation in hostilities, or even an order. One wants to swear, but "according to the Charter it is not allowed." winked
  14. +4
    23 January 2023 07: 24
    And as one very evil White Guard said, a real true enemy of Soviet power, but at the same time an excellent organizer of soldier's life ...
    IT IS NECESSARY TO STOP SHOVING PROPAGANDA TO THE SOLDIER IN ALL PLACES. IT IS NEEDED TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN THE WAR ... YOU JUST NEED TO FEED HIM, CLOTH, SHOE, GIVE HIM A GOOD GUN AND COMFORTABLE BOOTS. AND IT MUST BE WASHED WELL IN THE BATH AND GET HIM TO SLEEP. ONLY SUCH A SOLDIER WILL GO BREAKTHROUGH. AND FROM YOUR UNNECESSARY PROPAGANDA, HE JUST SHEETS ...
  15. +7
    23 January 2023 07: 25
    In general, it is worth thinking about the future, but is there a place for those who are over 70 in a place like the State Duma?

    Well, if senile Joe, at 80, can sit in the White House, and even dream of a second term, then why are these general deputies worse?
    1. +11
      23 January 2023 09: 20
      well, let them be senile - they sit there, why do we need them, to take an example from them? although if you are talking about the fact that the same Can, he still considers himself capable of GOGOGO, he agrees ..
  16. +23
    23 January 2023 07: 43
    The topic is raised right. But stopped halfway. Who allows these "detupeds" to sit in the Duma and generally open their mittens? Why is there not in the RF Armed Forces what was in the USSR Armed Forces even in the late 80s, when everything was going to be scrapped? Who will be responsible for the disgusting logistic and combat support of the Active "Army"? Who will be responsible for the responsibility of those who were obliged to provide, calculate, take into account and plan everything?
    In Russia, no one in power is responsible for anything. The people answer, they pay with their blood, their lives and their money. With this in mind, it is easy to calculate how much more is left for this "country" with such "power". And then to remember about beards, water and so on.
  17. +10
    23 January 2023 08: 14
    In general, it is worth thinking about the future, but is there a place for those who are over 70 in a place like the State Duma?

    And not only in the State Duma, but also in other government positions.
    1. +14
      23 January 2023 09: 02
      Quote: Million
      Is there a place for those who are over 70

      "What are you hinting at? I ask you, what are you hinting at, royal muzzle"? From x-movie....
      1. +16
        23 January 2023 10: 07
        So you say: “king”, “king” ... Do you think, Marya Vasilna, is it easy for us, kings? Yes, nothing like that, philistine talkers. All workers have two days off a week. We kings work seven days a week. Our working day is irregular. If you want to know, we kings should be given free milk for harm! The Health magazine so directly points out: nerve cells do not regenerate.
  18. +6
    23 January 2023 08: 50
    None of those with whom I spoke saw mobile baths in the eyes. None at all.
    Actually, it's very strange. Maybe the author did not talk to everyone? If so, then everyone should be covered in lice from the heels to the top of the head. Is there such a thing? For some reason, there were camping baths 80 years ago. And for some reason, bearded warriors were not noticeable during the storming of Berlin. And these generals cannot even say such a thing in their own defense. Again, it is impossible to wear a gas mask over a beard. More precisely, it is possible, but useless, and one-time use of improvised OV has already been noted on the LBS. It looks like you need to get a hundred or two poisoned to eliminate this danger. Or invent a gas mask that worked effectively with a beard.
    1. 0
      26 January 2023 17: 39
      "And for some reason the bearded warriors were not noticeable during the storming of Berlin"
      there were both bearded and mustachioed. only not Chechens,
      no. Chechens in that war were traitors and deserters, for which they went to Kazakhstan to explore the future virgin lands
    2. 0
      26 January 2023 17: 41
      "Either invent a gas mask that works effectively with a beard"
      and best of all, stop inventing bullshit about the use of ov
  19. +7
    23 January 2023 09: 00
    Whatsapp correspondence of our Ukrainians read online. Rockets are aimed at smartphones, a beard is not hygienic and causes lice. Everything seems to be logical
    1. +11
      23 January 2023 09: 10
      First, there is a cart
      Secondly, without communication, you will be killed earlier than with her.
      Thirdly, radio interception is not handled by every squad/platoon. This is an exception. See second.
    2. +13
      23 January 2023 10: 52
      In the absence of the opportunity to wash and wash, lice will start up with or without a beard. Body lice are not interested in human hair at all, they live in clothes, and head lice are also not such gourmets, in the absence of a beard they calmly settle in the hair. Then it’s necessary to demand from the fighters to shave their heads and walk naked, even in the cold. This is easier than organizing a normal bath and laundry service.
    3. +12
      23 January 2023 15: 48
      Smartphones are still a forced thing, the same gunners use a notebook with might and main there. If our army had specialized tablets with secure communication channels, then yes, no questions asked.
  20. +27
    23 January 2023 09: 01
    Instead of investigating what happened to 1,5 million uniforms from warehouses, the generals began to worry about the beard ... Really, what happy and carefree people.
    1. Tim
      +12
      23 January 2023 11: 59
      I open the AVITO website and other online stores selling military ammunition, which is not there. The armor protection equipment of the Russian Armed Forces is especially surprising, there are all sizes.
  21. +6
    23 January 2023 09: 03
    For our fighters - with all my heart. I appreciate Hasek from adolescence.
    And as for the "general-deputies", they were ALWAYS like that. And nefig of them (carrier flies) inflate elephants. The budget will blow up. To score on them, as in the SA, and forget when they leave. There are orders of magnitude more normal officers and generals.
  22. +8
    23 January 2023 09: 10
    Soon, the guests of the nursing home for the deaf and dumb will start hyping about this. Everyone correctly raised the issue of personal hygiene, the issue is not that bearded people walk, but, just, that they do not always and everywhere create the minimum conditions for HP. And, first of all, it is water. Drinking water, yes, always at war is worth its weight in gold. And the water is "technical", the same from the Dnieper, from which lake, channels, for that. in order to wash the ass, shave, it’s quite good for itself, frank feces don’t flow through it, properly organize water intake, it sucks, this is an element of military engineering training, as well as camouflage and engineering equipment of positions. Well, they didn’t carry bottled water to positions in 1941 - 1945. Where they didn’t know the elementary rules or were lazy, they screwed them up.
    1. +3
      23 January 2023 19: 59
      Quote from Cap
      Soon, the guests of the nursing home for the deaf and dumb will start hyping about this. Everyone correctly raised the issue of personal hygiene, the issue is not that bearded people walk, but, just, that they do not always and everywhere create the minimum conditions for HP. And, first of all, it is water. Drinking water, yes, always at war is worth its weight in gold. And the water is "technical", the same from the Dnieper, from which lake, channels, for that. in order to wash the ass, shave, it’s quite good for itself, frank feces don’t flow through it, properly organize water intake, it sucks, this is an element of military engineering training, as well as camouflage and engineering equipment of positions. Well, they didn’t carry bottled water to positions in 1941 - 1945. Where they didn’t know the elementary rules or were lazy, they screwed them up.

      Yes, there are more to local claims than to ours.
  23. Eug
    +12
    23 January 2023 09: 29
    Well, what can I say ... I remember the issue of the Military Parade magazine, I don’t remember for what year, but exactly before 2009 - a whole COMPLEX of machines was presented there to ensure soldier’s life - from membrane water purification to an automobile bakery with a soldier’s bath somewhere "in the middle". All this is still on the pages of the magazine? And now, taking into account the Hymers and in the long term GLSDB, it is not so easy to organize a bathhouse without crowding l / s, you need to carry soldiers quite far from the LBS. There has always been a problem with water in the Donbass, even in the presence of the Dnieper-Donbass canal, which now seems to be
    would be covered. So you won’t envy the rear, but l / s, forced to do without water and as a result
    attracting the attention of inspectors, especially ...
  24. +11
    23 January 2023 09: 37
    It’s good that they didn’t get to the tags. They didn’t get to the threads with needles in the hat, to the pencils sharpened in a multi-colored bag. And the generals, there are a lot of them there, for them to go to combat (15 km before them) is an honor, orders again, and then publish a book for their grandchildren. I had one such person surrounded by 3 soldiers, one brought him water, the second food, the third something warm (sleeping bag, mattress, woman, I didn’t understand, there was a mountain). I’m sure the guys understand everything (on the front end), looked, depicted, sent (to themselves), if they bake too much, you can shoot harder, they immediately shoot off.
    Attention. I'm not talking about everyone, there are very sensible, fighting ones, but there are more of these (reckless people)
    1. Aag
      +8
      23 January 2023 12: 36
      ...Threads, needles, what prevented you?
      I agree - there are things more relevant, but ...
  25. +12
    23 January 2023 10: 03
    blowing artillery is generally sacred for staff.
    Oh, yes! I confirm, I convinced myself in due time))
  26. +11
    23 January 2023 10: 13
    What don't you understand? The generals are still (a year already) playing soldiers. The badges are shining, the uniform is beautiful, the appearance is valiant, which means that everything is fine and the offensive is successful.
  27. +5
    23 January 2023 10: 14
    Quote from Flyer
    Instead of investigating what happened to 1,5 million uniforms from warehouses, the generals began to worry about the beard ... Really, what happy and carefree people.

    Didn't go anywhere. Everything is in stock. Why - the highest degrees of combat readiness were not given, mobilization was not announced. There are no grounds for opening and issuing NZ. And some talkers on TV should have read the policy papers and then chatted. Since 1991, officers who have reached the military rank of colonel and above have thought that they are princes - their daily activities are not their business, there are NS, heads of military branches and services, and they enjoy life.
    On this site, some commentators have already turned winter uniforms into Ratnik equipment, in a month we will find out that there is nothing at all.
    But how does it sound. Investigation, criminal case, punishment. And just simply incompetence and unwillingness to delve into the governing documents, as well as a large number of readers and commentators who are far from the army. On the other hand, those who are so ill and so willing to help.
    1. 0
      23 January 2023 22: 27
      Didn't go anywhere. Everything is in stock.

      Very interesting.
      Can you tell me a link to the documents of the General Staff, according to which you need to equip the whole world for your money, including medicine, the mobilized?
  28. +10
    23 January 2023 10: 31
    I am not ready to discuss whether it is possible to shave on the front lines or not (although an unshaven face and a full beard look different). But, I’m wondering why these conditions of the front line do not prevent Kadyrov’s men from shaving their mustaches, but such a hitch with water arises with a beard?
    1. +4
      23 January 2023 19: 56
      Quote: Ohsetin
      I am not ready to discuss whether it is possible to shave on the front lines or not (although an unshaven face and a full beard look different). But, I’m wondering why these conditions of the front line do not prevent Kadyrov’s men from shaving their mustaches, but such a hitch with water arises with a beard?

      The most interesting thing is that the claims mainly go to the Donbass units, which are now subordinate to the Moscow Region. And with the help of military bloggers, I would have said otherwise, yes it was impossible, he was inflated to the skies. The basis is that the Donbass do not want to lose their freemen.
    2. -2
      26 January 2023 17: 53
      "why don't these frontline conditions prevent Kadyrov's men from shaving their mustaches"
      because Wahhabis don't wear mustaches, it's not kosher for them. I wonder if they don’t roll up their pants to the ankles now so that the demons don’t catch on? and why is there so much attention to the Kadyrovites? did they stand out in some way? took Kyiv? or do they sit with everyone else, but with beards?
  29. +7
    23 January 2023 10: 45
    In itself, age already suggests that it is high time for them to retire to their well-deserved rest and provide assistance to the Russian army with their complete non-interference in its affairs. And this will be the best that our brave, ageless deputies-general can offer.

    Gold words! The retirement age for statesmen of any scale, especially in military uniform, must be strictly observed. Made it to retirement? With respect - a well-deserved rest. Pass on your invaluable experience... to your own grandchildren.
  30. +14
    23 January 2023 10: 59
    Prigozhin suggested giving real terms for attempts to "glamorize" the army. I am not a fan of the "cook", but I agree with him on this. Last year, despite the problems already clear to everyone during the NWO, all the cadets of military universities, like every year before, from March to May, scored for study, and were engaged in stepping, preparing for the parade, the Moremans, instead of combat training, were pulled out to the main naval parade, and this circus was engaged in after the inglorious death of "Moscow"!
    In a month and a half, the deadline for the start of rehearsals for the next parade will come. If even now PR people in stripes do not moderate their inappropriate zeal, and, as always, the process of combat training in units, training centers, military universities will be sacrificed for the show component, then you can no longer worry about the country and the army, just get up and drink without clinking glasses .
    1. +5
      23 January 2023 19: 52
      Quote: UAZ 452
      Prigozhin offered for attempts to "glamorize" the army

      It turns out that the Soviet army, like the Russian race in the 19th century, was "glamorous"? After all, they managed to shave and wash and put themselves in order
      1. 0
        25 January 2023 11: 27
        Non-combat - yes. Tell me where and how on the front line, say, the Steppe Front, to find extra water to wash. And what to make a bathhouse from, when for tens of kilometers around - not a single tree, literally
  31. Des
    +8
    23 January 2023 11: 42
    Good article. Problems "first-hand" are normally shown. Thank you.
    1. +5
      23 January 2023 19: 50
      Quote: Des
      Good article. Problems "first-hand" are normally shown. Thank you.

      From the first? Did I miss something and the author of the article went to the front?
  32. +6
    23 January 2023 12: 33
    In Afghanistan, they gave tablets for disinfecting water. The water acquired a unique taste, an unusual muck.
    1. +1
      23 January 2023 20: 58
      Quote: APASUS
      In Afghanistan, they gave tablets for disinfecting water. The water acquired a unique taste, an unusual muck.

      In the Caucasus, too, the aroma did not fade, although it should. A few years ago, I discovered imported similar pills for myself (long hunting and fishing trips, when you can’t get enough water with you and you have to drink from the river-lake), well, heaven and earth to taste, not spring, of course, but feelings of disgust and the feeling that they want to poison you, not at all ... What they disinfect now, probably the same as 30-40 years ago ...
    2. 0
      24 January 2023 01: 07
      And there were tubes, Spring, sort of. Stick it in a puddle and suck it. It sucks badly, the mouth knits with iodine, the water comes in warm, in general, not very much. Once he sucked, spat, drank so much. It passed, like, he didn’t pick up anything.
  33. +5
    23 January 2023 14: 23
    In general, it is worth thinking about the future, but is there a place for those who are over 70 in a place like the State Duma?
    Deputation for especially close military leaders is an addition to the pension, I hope after the VICTORIOUS end of the NWO they will all be asked from the State Duma (flowers to grow in mansions) and real competent and professional military officers will appear.
    1. -1
      26 January 2023 18: 02
      "and real competent and professional combat officers will appear"
      in thought? Do you need them for vegetables?
  34. +7
    23 January 2023 14: 42
    By virtue of their age, the generals-deputies have already crossed the threshold of criticism, and giving stupid advice twice confirm that they have been in this state for a long time and they cannot think of anything good. And as for colonels and lieutenant colonels, no one has yet canceled the rule, he was on the territory of hostilities, albeit in the deep rear and with the most useless task - checking the appearance of military personnel means you are considered a participant in hostilities, and this means the pension will be like for a top-level combat officer, or maybe a hairy hand will also help you get a medal, you look, and such regiments will drive into paradise on the backs of the infantry.
    1. +1
      24 January 2023 02: 00
      "Have you wiped your ass yet?" General Schweik asked kindly.
  35. +1
    23 January 2023 15: 43
    It seems to me that both the generals and Prigogine have forgotten why the military has such requirements in relation to the beard. There should not be a beard, because it interferes with personal protective equipment (gas mask). God forbid, the enemy will use (and everything can be expected from the enemy) asphyxiating gas. And what then, how to put on a gas mask with such a beard? It seems to me that this is a fashion for a beard until the rooster pecks.
  36. +5
    23 January 2023 16: 15
    An order must be issued that each inspector must serve in the unit being checked for at least 2 weeks as a private and at least 2 weeks as a lieutenant. And only then leave the trenches and draw conclusions and comments. And what is this superficiality! It seems to me that then the number of checks will decrease somewhat, and the life of the units being checked will improve (the problems with water will at least be solved).
  37. +3
    23 January 2023 17: 48
    But what should our General Deputies 73 and 74 years of age do? What, excuse me, can two pensioners organize there? Wash for one brigade?

    And you know, I doubt it.

    In itself, age already suggests that it is high time for them to retire to their well-deserved rest and provide assistance to the Russian army with their complete non-interference in its affairs. And this will be the best that our brave, ageless deputies-general can offer.

    Full approve-with! good drinks
    65 years old at any level of government - "Pension - dacha - vegetable garden - potatoes" bully hi
  38. +10
    23 January 2023 18: 54
    You know, the question is that everyone is waiting for who will deal with the fighter. Even if everything is nearby, figs will force you to put it in order ... I seem to have signalmen, somehow better, but there were still individuals ... Here are my cases. Khankala, united warehouse, next to the bath-laundry train. A sergeant is standing near the warehouse, black with dirt, chewing a biscuit. Nice guy, he introduced himself. The question is when I washed ... - I don’t know! Okay, he has time for a day, the column will not go into the night, let's go to the checkpoint with the team, I will say, they will wash and wash. Refused!
    And this is generally 474 obmos in Khankala. I went to check the signalers, there were about a dozen double basses in the tent, grown men. The homeless man is resting! Dirt, themselves dirty, the bed is something. There is a warehouse of linen nearby, change at least every hour, at least pour water, and then get out ... I drove it for a week, brought it to my senses, came back a week later, guess what I saw? And that's basically the case everywhere. The conclusion is simple, where we live there and shit, if you give us something, we will continue to spoil everything! I still remember the song that the special forces bawled, like, let's take the height and spoil it (in a different way, but I look at VO, they decided to move culture) to the ground! Let them tell you that there are mountains of garbage around the tents ... Oh, yes, I forced my men to take water in the convoy. No one wants to take bottles of water and shove them ... forced by force, they don’t know how, and where to buy bottles, but there are heaps nearby! Wash your hands to wash, I belittle you, bad form! So let the respected warrior also not really cry here about the mess in relation to them! Walk around your yards and plantings, throwing garbage out the window is the norm! Worse than us are only Asians, Africans and Indians. And in this respect it is a shame for our man abroad! And the inspectors are also from ours, so ... It’s good if you come across from experienced commanders, problems are solved, but mostly unrecorded heroes!
    1. +2
      26 January 2023 09: 19
      I absolutely support! Few people observe hygiene in the field or near the field.
      As for the ability to "dirt height", I will tell you one case. I worked as a power engineer in a construction company, they took a contract for the overhaul of the bridge. And at the firm there was a muddy office, which used no less muddy Ukrainian workers. For them, we built a residential area on the outskirts. Absolutely new good change houses, light, water. A latrine with a plastic "booth", a garbage container. Specials are new. We would like such conditions! As the tenants settled in, I look - in the corners there are 10-liter bottles of moonshine, under the beds there is homemade stew in three-liter jars.
      A week later, this section looked like a branch of Azovstal, only without bomb craters. Even the victim was drunk and decided to go out the window instead of the door. Everything that could be broken was broken; everything that could not be broken was uprooted with meat. In two trailers, the doors were knocked out and all the wiring was torn out. The filthy toilet was overturned. There was a garbage dump around - on the very first day, enterprising Ukrainians sold a metal container to someone. By the end of the second week, they themselves looked like homeless people - all dirty, overalls torn, blue faces from homemade fuselage. He himself worked as a shift worker, but it was a uniform horror.
      By the way, about water. He worked on the construction of a junction in Moscow. There was no water in the area. They brought it from the stores. The brought lunches were similar to the camp gruel. Gloom... and it's in the capital. And what about the trenches on the outskirts of a God-forsaken village somewhere in the Kherson region?
      By the way, I cannot fail to mention the amazing ability of our "neighbors" to unscrew and take with them everything that is not welded on, even at the risk of their own lives.
      As a result, this walking field continued until the information about the anarchy in the area reached their "owner". I have never heard such a swear word before or since. However, since then, the boss visited "his own" every day. The funny thing is that even the garbage container after a while was welded by shift workers and installed in place. Where they found the new sheet metal and welder is a mystery.
      Zadornov was right, our people have both will and strength and talent. But there is an eternal problem with the vector of application of this force))
  39. +2
    23 January 2023 19: 17
    Previously, such brave generals were compared with a secret product, which was described as a riddle: "Whistles, dances, sparkles, flies, but does not hit where it is needed." (Answer: a device for getting where you need domestic production).
  40. 0
    23 January 2023 19: 32
    Why are you attached to them, to this Sobolev and Zavarzin? Is there anyone in particular who is subordinate to them? No. Well, they pushed their speeches, and Allah be with them. What is there to do from an elephant mouse? Someone will rush to force the soldiers to fulfill the wishes of these deputies? No one rushes in their right mind. Well, and what about this rumble everywhere and without end? Enough, turn around. Sha!
    1. +3
      23 January 2023 19: 46
      Quote: Traveler_2
      Why are you attached to them, to this Sobolev and Zavarzin? Is there anyone in particular who is subordinate to them? No. Well, they pushed their speeches, and Allah be with them. What is there to do from an elephant mouse? Someone will rush to force the soldiers to fulfill the wishes of these deputies? No one rushes in their right mind. Well, and what about this rumble everywhere and without end? Enough, turn around. Sha!

      But how to gain popularity, they cannot do otherwise.
  41. +4
    23 January 2023 19: 44
    Well, as always ... the only question is why then did our soldiers manage to shave and put themselves in order in all wars for at least the past two centuries ... including the Second World War and Afghanistan, but in the 21st century they can no longer?
    1. 0
      24 January 2023 02: 31
      Where is infa from? Military leaders usually write memoirs - well, if they do it themselves. There, they usually lean on the author's strategic genius, the sanitary and hygienic condition and the provision of troops is an unpopular topic for memoirs. Movies are movies...
  42. +2
    23 January 2023 20: 05
    All these brutal beards before the first application of BOV ... If God forbid this happens, then even bells will shave ..
  43. +7
    23 January 2023 20: 07
    Of course, I will cause a flurry of indignation, but I will speak out in support of the demands for a neat appearance of military personnel, even on the front lines. Just for one simple reason: have you seen a lot of military chronicles, photographs, where would the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War look like Vakhlaks - overgrown with beards, with tufts of hair to their shoulders? Please provide it if you can.
    I hope that no one dares to name K.K. Rokossovsky "sofa strategist"? And in August 1944, one of the commanders of units of the 69th Army received a cruel reprimand from the front commander for the untidy appearance of his subordinates.
    My grandfather - the head of intelligence of the 69th Army - often recalled this incident. The front commander asked harshly if the personnel had not even half an hour to remove the bristles and hem the collars. Note, August 1944, the army is fighting intense battles on the Puławy bridgehead, and the front commander is smashing the unit commander for many days of stubble from the fighters and commanders.
    Well, three photographs, and find bearded, shaggy soldiers and commanders of the Red Army here.






    1. 0
      24 January 2023 01: 57
      You are absolutely right. Bearded soldiers, and even more so officers, look more like partisans.
  44. +4
    23 January 2023 20: 39
    Quote: mmaxx
    The selection is for cretins. They are easier to serve. Fulfill any requirements of the authorities accurately and on time, and you are a good commander.


    Well, it's like that everywhere.

    I quote:
    Any used armored object turns into a gypsy encampment of high cross-country ability in a month.
    Because it's their house on wheels. It is the house - where they live, sleep, eat, store things.
    Tank, armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicle.

    The armored gypsies always have a bunch of useful junk with them.
    You can always go to the gypsies for something and exchange or just ask like a brother.
    Armored gypsies are good, useful - they must be loved and interacted in every possible way.
    And who has a statutory tank - truly useless people!

    Since the tank of armored gypsies is plastered with all sorts of junk outside and inside, the rollers are not painted over, the wings are dented, hazing *** are welded on top, the statutory ones are cut off, etc. They won't pass any inspection.
    Because the used tank is naturally a gypsy van with a kit for a gypsy dacha screwed on top. And a close-knit gang of gypsies inside.
    1. 0
      April 7 2024 11: 14
      Even German tanks turned into “camps” in 1941-1945.
  45. +2
    23 January 2023 22: 24
    In general, interesting questions arise about the chicken and the egg after the article ...
    For example, what should a soldier worry about - the requirement that elementary conditions for hygiene be provided - or to hell with them, the main thing is not to demand a decent appearance of soldiers?
    It is somehow strange that all the anger and criticism is directed not at the fact that the same water is NOT delivered, but at the fact that they require a statutory form ...
  46. +2
    24 January 2023 00: 37
    In fact, Zavarzin participated in only one "hot" case - the throw of Russian paratroopers to Pristina. Beautiful, but completely useless.

    The author, it’s not good to indiscriminately find fault with a person. Only for Pristina did a person fulfill the standard of life on our mortal land, and this is not counting the command of the Turkmens in the dashing 90s, and pulling Tajiks by the scruff of their necks in their civil war ...
    And yes - calling the help to the Serb brothers a useless thing, you sign that relying on you in battle is a rotten thing ... Even the notorious demons from NATO recognized the heroism of our paratroopers and refused to clash with them in order to avoid the Third World War ...
    1. +1
      25 January 2023 11: 34
      so that was the problem. The Serbs were going to get out of there themselves, but they saw the flags and stayed. As it turned out - in vain, then almost all of them were crushed, and the flag-bearers looked at this and waited for the big politicians to resolve the issue. And all because they believed, like people in Izyum and Kupyansk
    2. -1
      26 January 2023 18: 10
      "Only for Pristina did a person fulfill the standard of life on our mortal land"
      and what happened in Pristina that it became a lifelong indulgence for the participants? senseless and useless march
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  48. -4
    24 January 2023 01: 32
    Alexander Dugin - about the beard:
    In Rus', all shaven-faced were considered blue!

    1. +2
      24 January 2023 01: 49
      Nonsense. There were portraits of the Golitsyn brothers, before Peter, only mustaches and no beards. Those of the boyars, who were older, of course, had a beard. And bisexualism was not particularly condemned, you never know who liked the boys too, especially on campaigns.
      1. +1
        24 January 2023 02: 03
        There are portraits of the Golitsyn brothers


        Yes, no beard. But at least with a mustache!
        You listen carefully to Dugin - he "forgives" Stalin the absence of a beard for the presence of a mustache!
        1. +1
          24 January 2023 10: 20
          And forgives Svyatoslav??! Or Skopin-Shuisky? (we don’t even talk about the disgustingly naked Mishka Romanov or Fedka Godunov)
          1. +1
            24 January 2023 16: 16
            Skopin-Shuisky and Fyodor Godunov probably did not have time to grow a beard in their youth. Lived only 23 years and 16 years.

            In general, I understand you correctly - are you implying that Dugin is just an idiot? laughing
            This idea is controversial, although quite popular.
            1. -1
              26 January 2023 18: 14
              "In general, I understand you correctly - are you implying that Dugin is just an idiot?"
              I'm not hinting, I'm directly saying, maybe not an idiot, but certainly not an authority, despite his beard
    2. 0
      26 January 2023 18: 11
      "Alexander Dugin - about the beard"
      damn, found authority
  49. +3
    24 January 2023 01: 44
    During the Second World War, they shaved at the front, of course, not every day, but every three or four days for sure. And the razors were dangerous. And lotions are only trophy ones. My father brought a Solingen razor from the front and shaved it to the very end. And now the question is: why now you can not shave. There are electric shavers, tablets are charged and the razor can be charged. There are good machines. There is everything, so why sometimes you can’t shave? If you watch it on TV, it is not clear who is on the screen a Russian army soldier or an ISIS fighter. Again, in Soviet times, in the army, all Muslims were shaved and nothing.
  50. +2
    24 January 2023 07: 53
    "And to unclean chimney sweeps, shame and shame, shame and shame!" A provocative and boozy article, the author apparently does not take care of himself and has lost self-discipline, and as a result, the discipline of the mind. Most of the comments are a booze of lazy, illiterate sailors. Haters! In the case, it was only possible to talk about problems with water and bath and laundry services. And try to bring these problems to the top level. Dot.
  51. +1
    24 January 2023 18: 55
    All this is a miracle of Yudo checks from army headquarters and below, just laughable! I read and analyze Zhukov.G.K. It turns out it comes from the 20th, 20th century! And I can still hear the gnashing of teeth of the senior tank forces when checking the BMD-1,1969, 1989, produced in 103. He wrapped a bandage around his finger, put it under the engine, and when he was a little dirty, he took it out and shook the little window, the landing force was not ready for war! And the fact that the infantry fighting vehicle no longer floats and air launch does not work is not important. 350 XNUMX airborne division, XNUMX airborne division. And I read and watch! I just can’t wrap my head around what the army has been turned into... no further words will be banned. And they are to blame for this.....
  52. +1
    24 January 2023 22: 52
    I remember another general’s order from “Schweik”: “Cook goulash and march to Sokal! Details in the newspapers!”
  53. 0
    25 January 2023 00: 49
    They clung to beards... For some reason, in the Great Patriotic War, shaving did not bother anyone, but here it’s just inconvenient to shoot without a beard. Moreover, the information was inflated by the telegram channels of one crop. Dear: which of you was in the North Military District zone?
    Those who want to find time to shave, the rest are excuses. The Americans wrote similar nonsense a couple of years ago - they say that their brave soldiers fight better with beards. So are you in the same steppe?
  54. +1
    25 January 2023 00: 55
    But everything turned out to be the same fairy tale in one copy, like the main number of new products of all these “Armies-…”. None of those with whom I spoke saw mobile baths in the eyes. None at all.

    Well, I don’t know... I personally deployed the PuSO of personnel when I was at the training camp at the end of the Lensovet LTI in Medvezhyegorsk. And this was in 1983. Where could they have gone, these kits, from Soviet warehouses? Did they rot, or what? Or just too lazy to deal with picking it up from the warehouse, checking it, delivering it and servicing it? Maybe the management is just working to “get married”?
    1. 0
      26 January 2023 18: 17
      "Or just too lazy to deal with picking up from the warehouse, checking, delivering and servicing?"
      At first, they just don’t know what it is. and then it’s just laziness
  55. +1
    25 January 2023 05: 45
    These generals are sent to the army (as privates for training) for retraining. A couple of forced marches, one personally dug trench in full profile and insight and wisdom will descend on them.
  56. +4
    25 January 2023 09: 39
    Quote from tsvetahaki
    Didn't go anywhere. Everything is in stock.

    Very interesting.
    Can you tell me a link to the documents of the General Staff, according to which you need to equip the whole world for your money, including medicine, the mobilized?

    Dear, links to General Staff documents on the introduction of b.g. are stamped. So go to the General Staff and ask there, maybe they will give it. As for the equipment - if you want Lova shoes, 5.11 clothes, Decormir turnstiles and other pleasures - then any whim for your money. I repeat once again - they wanted a small, professional army that could drive across the sands. That's what we got. In normal combat, losses are completely different. And the dreams of Putin, Serdyukov and Makarov failed. So take off your rose-colored glasses and stop provoking.
  57. +1
    26 January 2023 12: 46
    It would be cool if these brave guardians of soldiers’ happiness took an interest and loudly asked why military equipment “suddenly” became so expensive? And probably not only that!!! Comrade generals, so desperately struggling to shave in the trenches, where is the State Duma, in which you have settled so nicely and comfortably? Where are the specific questions and requests to the prosecutor’s office or anywhere else? No, everything is quiet. And very unhealthy thoughts appear - and who benefits from this??? In the end, to whom is war as dear as “mother”? Why are there always soldiers!!! paying with their blood for the ambitions and mistakes of those in power? Doesn't the loot smell like blood? Unfortunately, this has always been the case.
  58. +1
    26 January 2023 14: 43
    Quote: Navy7981
    It would be cool if these brave guardians of soldiers’ happiness took an interest and loudly asked why military equipment “suddenly” became so expensive? And probably not only that!!! Comrade generals, so desperately struggling to shave in the trenches, where is the State Duma, in which you have settled so nicely and comfortably? Where are the specific questions and requests to the prosecutor’s office or anywhere else? No, everything is quiet. And very unhealthy thoughts appear - and who benefits from this??? In the end, to whom is war as dear as “mother”? Why are there always soldiers!!! paying with their blood for the ambitions and mistakes of those in power? Doesn't the loot smell like blood? Unfortunately, this has always been the case.

    Yeah, wait, all the supplies are in the hands of people who are pleasant to the top, it’s a dangerous thing to be interested in their gamble, oh, what a dangerous thing, you can suddenly become the defendants themselves.
  59. 0
    26 January 2023 19: 25
    Author, why is the general just Sobolev?
    And Kadyrov - Ramzan Akhmatovich?
    Aren't you feeling sick yourself?
  60. +1
    26 January 2023 19: 37
    “Is there a place for those over 70 in a place like the State Duma?” - Well, donkey ears appeared! Well, let such a wonderful Skomorokhov make his way!!! This is the subtext of all his articles, and not just him. A
    Quote: My address
    Skomorokhov’s soul aches for his country.
    - use these phrases for elderly pensioners, but this is still the wrong audience (? I hope not the same...).
    But this phrase: “they will do everything without you” could be said to the author himself and the majority of commentators who angrily support him. Kadyrov and Prigozhin have already “corrected” the deputies-generals. Further verbiage on this matter is just an attempt to once again declare oneself.
    But to put it simply, we are now a society of consumers who have screwed up their great USSR. Volunteers were in “normal percentages” only from Kadyrov! And the number of those who escaped is greater than the number of those mobilized!!! It is necessary to work at this level, but they will not organize re-elections to the Duma because of Skomorokhov’s article. And if you suddenly assume... then instead of m.b. An already not very useful general may turn out to be some “capable” scoundrel, like Voronenkov.
  61. +1
    28 January 2023 14: 08
    It's time to replace old and backward generals with new colonels with positive combat experience
  62. +1
    28 January 2023 20: 28
    There have become a lot of commentators on issues of military service. There is nothing more to talk about, well, let the Chechens wear a beard, but it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that they fight with a beard or without a beard. they brought victory closer as best they could. Otherwise, a year has already passed, and our army is still marking time with the great commanders in one place, soon Donetsk will look like Stalingrad. There will be more work for Shoigu. Soon the partners who always deceive our respected president will bring tanks to Ukraine, and then it will be just fun there and we will just have fun. And you are all about beards and beards. We are swimming a bit shallow.
  63. +1
    29 January 2023 06: 18
    Author.... And what are these generals of their Duma wrong about? And why did you decide that for some reason “if you are over 70, then you have no place in the Duma”? They are RIGHT in absolutely everything! Another thing is that we are either going through a war, or not a war, but some kind of incomprehensible VSO, in which, in addition to the active army of the Russian Federation, some semi-partisan formations and detachments are involved. The point is not that in combat conditions fighters cannot always shave - this is something everyone understands. But the fact is that someone already has a strong conviction that both discipline and hygiene are secondary things and have no importance for the army. The fighting will end someday, but these beliefs will remain. This will be the beginning of the collapse of the army, which has already almost turned into some kind of semi-partisan formation, with field commanders, atamans, volunteers, Cossacks, Wagnerites, etc., etc....
  64. 0
    29 January 2023 13: 57
    Yes, our government has long been divorced from the people. What about the generals - they are sitting in the "Arbat military district", it is warm and quiet there. But when Putin personally talks about the “unprecedented increase” in scholarships for full-time (!) students up to 1,5 thousand per month - how is that? There is only one answer - they are all “at the top” and have no idea about the life of ordinary people here on earth!
  65. 0
    29 January 2023 21: 45
    I have an ambivalent attitude towards the article. On the one hand, the less the elderly rear oaks find fault with the soldiers on the front line, the better. On the other hand, I don’t believe about the complete technical impossibility of organizing shaving in a combat zone. I saw a lot of photographs and newsreels of the Second World War, and all the soldiers there - Soviet, German, American, British, Japanese - were shaved. Unless some encirclement or specific guys like German submariners or British long-distance desert patrols. But then the battles were much more severe, and even rich Americans had much less transport for supplies. Yes, no one requires a soldier on the front line to have a smooth face like a girl every day. But if they can’t provide him with an extra half-liter or liter of water every few days so that Santa Claus’s beard doesn’t grow, then you have to ask the command, which failed to supply.
  66. -2
    29 January 2023 22: 01
    Surprisingly, there are also fans of the charter among commentators who are not deputies, although who knows, maybe these are their closest friends. Yes, unfortunately, with this level of people in management, we will most likely lose this war. And then only God can save Russia from collapse.
    But our supreme will still be calm and sad, somewhere in The Hague.
  67. 0
    12 February 2023 08: 59
    There are two real problems with a beard - with a gas mask and with the fact that a fragment flying into the face will carry with it a bunch of bacteria living in the beard. And then, if you don’t get to the mainland right away - sepsis, infection, and a swearing surgeon pulling out the hairs of your tactical beard from a purulent wound and bone fragments. But, again, it’s a personal matter for everyone, just like armor (although I didn’t pay 3 million for an injury to the superminds driving LBS without armor).