According to some reports: Turkish DPICM cluster shells for Ukraine

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According to some reports: Turkish DPICM cluster shells for Ukraine
American howitzers M777 for Ukraine


Over the past months, the Kyiv regime has been receiving various artillery systems and ammunition for them from foreign partners. The other day it became known that Turkey became the next supplier of ammunition. At the same time, products with cluster combat equipment are shipped from the arsenals of the Turkish army. Such shells pose an increased danger, and in addition, their supply may be associated with a violation of international agreements.



According to the press


The new direction of Turkish-Ukrainian military-technical cooperation was reported on January 10 by the American edition of Foreign Policy. The publication received information about it from its sources in the US and Europe, who are familiar with the situation. It also tried to get comments from the Turkish embassy in the United States and the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense - but both departments refused to answer questions.

According to FP sources, over the past few months, Kyiv has been begging Washington for dual-purpose improved conventional munition (DPICM) cluster-type artillery munitions. However, the US refused to supply such products for technical and political reasons.

However, Ukraine still received the desired ammunition. The delivery of DPICM shells began in November last year, and Turkey acted as the sender. The supplied shells were manufactured by the Turkish industry under an American license during the Cold War. Until recently, they lay in the warehouses of the Turkish army, and now they are written off and sent to Ukraine.


Projectile M483A1 caliber 155 mm

Foreign Policy was unable to find out what stocks of such shots Turkey has. There is also no information on the volume of deliveries. In addition, the use of the transferred shells by Ukrainian formations has not yet been reported.

Legal Issues


The American edition not only reports on the supply of DPICM shells, but also reveals the legal features of these processes. It notes that Turkey's current actions are inconsistent with its previously voiced position on cluster munitions.

The fact is that in 2021 the Turkish leadership expressed a desire to join the current international Convention on Cluster Munitions. Turkey, in a corresponding letter to the supervisory body of the Convention, wrote about its commitment to the cause of peace and disarmament, and also indicated that since 2005 it has not been producing, using, importing or exporting weapon with cassette equipment.

Now the situation has changed - Turkey has begun transferring cluster munitions to a third country. FP tries to analyze this policy change and offers his explanations. In addition, other deliveries of Turkish military products to Ukraine are recalled in this context.

"Dual Purpose Ammunition"


The first Dual-Purpose Improved Conventional Munition projectile ("Improved conventional dual-use ammunition") was adopted by the US Army in 1975 under the designation M483. It carried 88 combat elements of two types and was intended to combat manpower and armored vehicles - this is what was designated as "dual use". The 155 mm DPICM cluster projectile was considered as an addition to the existing 105 mm M444 APICM product with anti-personnel submunitions.


Active Rocket M864

In the eighties, a 155-mm M864 projectile was created with similar equipment and a bottom gas generator, due to which the firing range was increased. In addition, in the late nineties, M915 and M916 shells appeared for modern 105-mm howitzers. The M915/916 allowed the old M444 to be retired.

Early cluster shells managed to be used in Vietnam. In general, they confirmed the calculated combat qualities, but at the same time showed significant shortcomings. So, about 3% of submunitions did not work when they fell and remained lying on the ground, posing a threat and requiring attention. In this regard, in later modernization projects, new contact fuses with a self-liquidator were introduced.

In the tenth years of the XXI century. The Pentagon has reviewed the status of its DPICM stocks and has decided to phase out such projectiles from service. This decision was led by the moral and physical obsolescence of products, as well as the risks of their further storage and operation. Since the middle of the last decade, a program for the disposal and conversion of existing DPICMs has been carried out. Submunitions are removed from the shells and sent for further disassembly. The hulls are used to make practical munitions and the explosives are recycled.

At one time, the United States supplied DPICM shells to some foreign countries. In addition, licensed production of such products was carried out in Turkey and other states. After the end of the Cold War, the bulk of the armies abandoned such shells and disposed of them. Turkey, in turn, retained at least part of its reserves. If the information from Foreign Policy is true, then now it gets rid of unnecessary shots through export.


Smaller caliber M915 projectile

Cassette equipment


The DPICM range of artillery shots includes four types of projectiles and their modifications. In the 105 mm caliber, the M915 and M916 products were made. For 155 mm guns, the larger and heavier M483(A1) and M864 are intended.

It was possible to place 155 elements in the 88 mm caliber case: 24 fragmentation-cumulative M46 and 64 smaller fragmentation M42. Fragmentation ammunition hit manpower within a radius of several meters, and cumulative pierced approx. 100 mm homogeneous armor. 105-mm shells contained 42 M80 fragmentation-cumulative elements. Due to their smaller size and weight, they showed more modest characteristics.

DPICM projectiles of all types were intended to destroy stationary area targets of various kinds and were generally considered as an alternative to conventional "blanks". Due to the dispersion of small submunitions over a large area, a high probability of hitting individual "soft" targets was ensured and the consumption of projectiles was reduced. Fragmentation-cumulative submunitions of various types could hit armored vehicles, but their small size and power did not guarantee the destruction of all targets in the area.

Threat and response


Deliveries of foreign artillery shells to Ukraine pose a certain danger to our troops and the population of the liberated territories. Ukrainian artillery regularly shells populated areas, causing serious damage to residential areas and civilian infrastructure. It is possible that the received DPICM projectiles will also be used in such shelling.

The results of these attacks will look different. Unlike a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, a cluster projectile can damage targets over a larger area, although detonating a single submunition does less damage. At the same time, the risks for the population will increase. In addition, there will be a problem of failure of individual combat elements - they will create an additional threat and add work to our sappers.


M80 combat element

Artillery shells with cluster equipment can be classified as weapons of indiscriminate action. Their use in a populated area and civilians would be a clear war crime. However, the notorious world community will once again pay no attention to these events. Or he will notice him, but habitually blame the Russian army for the shelling of Donbass.

Our armed forces should take into account the new threat and take measures to eliminate it. In general, the methods of such struggle are well known. It is necessary to find and destroy warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons, guns with crews in positions and in the rear. The interception of artillery shells is not yet possible, and therefore it is necessary to prevent the very fact of a shot. It is also necessary to maintain an effective and developed system of counter-battery combat.

Potential hazard


So far, only the American edition of Foreign Policy has reported on the supply of Turkish cluster shells to Ukraine. Decent confirmation of this information has not yet been received. DPICM projectiles have not yet been seen in the combat zone either. However, the experience of recent months shows that only a few days can pass from the appearance of unofficial information to the arrival of weapons at the front.

Whether there is a real threat in the form of DPICM cluster projectiles is not yet clear. However, the lack of clear information does not preclude the need to prepare for new risks. Our army has the necessary means and skills, and it can be expected that even a new batch of foreign shells will not help the Ukrainian formations.
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  1. +4
    January 15 2023
    We have seen how Ukraine complies with international treaties to which it has joined. Back in 2006, the Convention on the Ban of Anti-Personnel Mines was ratified. Back in 2012, the complete destruction of all anti-personnel mines was announced for the entire globe. Also in 2008, they joined the Convention on the Prohibition of Cluster Munitions and ratified this treaty.
    Let me remind you that Russia and the word the United States did not join either the first or the second. But in the war with Ukraine, we do not use such mines as remotely installed butterflies, Ukraine, which destroyed them, sows cities with these mines without any problems. We have not joined the convention on cluster munitions but do not apply it, Ukraine has joined but applies it without any problems.
    A question for non-brothers, if we start using at least Hurricane MLRS cluster shells, you will at least get a little bit that there will be little left of your infantry units.
    1. +6
      January 15 2023
      So butterflies or all the same petals? It is strange that the reason for the article was the stuffing of the American media.
      1. +1
        January 15 2023
        Quote: Olaf Uximae
        So butterflies or all the same petals?

        Butterfly, the name of the mine PFM-1 "Petal" in everyday life.
        1. +1
          January 15 2023
          In whose everyday life, let me inquire? Universal specialists in terms of usefulness and expediency? On one page I learned, on the other I already teach this to others?
      2. -2
        March 26 2023
        Throw? Do you really want to present wishful thinking? What throw??? And Turkish deliveries for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the form of the Bayraktar UAV and hundreds of KIRPI armored vehicles are also stuffing ??? Turkey has long learned to deftly and Asianly flatter Russia in words in order to fully receive various and generous material preferences from the Russian Federation (gas, wheat, nuclear power plants, tens of billions to the Turkish treasury - an ANNUAL gift from Russian tourists ...), but in reality - TO HELP OBVIOUSLY and HIDDENLY with various weapons for the Ukrainian army .... A Russian attack aircraft shot down by the Turks over Syria in 2015 ... Shot at point-blank range - the Russian ambassador to Turkey .... Turkey's attack (by the hands of Baku ...) on Karabakh in 2020. ... Spokes in the wheels of the RF Armed Forces in Syria and the interests of the Russian Federation in Libya ... How long ??? How long will Turkish treachery and arrogance be tolerated in the Russian corridors of power??? Although, this is not surprising - if it is not unreasonable to assume that in the modern Russian "elite" and the criminal oligarchy there are many secret and obvious admirers (admirers) of the West (NATO) and Turkey in particular ...
    2. +2
      January 15 2023
      But we joined in and destroyed all chemical weapons and joyfully reported to the world, despite the fact that the Americans themselves refused and the Ukrainians had already used chemical weapons against our fighters, if we had used them in response, they would have cooled down a bit and thought about it another time.
    3. 0
      January 17 2023

      Yes, they have already been used in Kharkov. You can view
  2. +4
    January 15 2023
    The Turkish side already spoke out on this American stuffing a few days ago, clearly and understandably. No ammunition was delivered to the outskirts.
    1. -1
      February 28 2023
      These are not stuffing, this is official information from the Russian side. And what surprises you so much is that Turkey has been actively selling and selling weapons to Ukraine before. This is a business, baby, for Turkey, our NWO is a mother, this country, together with the USA and China, is the main beneficiary of this conflict
  3. +4
    January 15 2023
    so officially Ankara has already said that this is not true
    1. -1
      February 28 2023
      Seriously? And do you believe in it? laughing
      And what actually confuses you so much, Turkey has been actively selling and selling weapons to Ukraine before that. This is a business, baby, for Turkey, our NWO is a mother, this country, together with the USA and China, is the main beneficiary of this conflict
  4. +2
    January 15 2023
    there is a suspicion that the Amerian media produced this stuffing as part of the information war. driving a wedge between Russia and Turkey. the latter is already so out of hand that all means are good. Well, do not forget that the United States is an empire of lies.
    although there may be a continuation: the Americans supply these shells with gray schemes, and they blame Turkey for everything.
    1. +1
      January 15 2023
      https://topwar.ru/208742-predstavitel-jerdogana-nazval-absoljutnoj-lozhju-soobschenija-v-smi-o-postavkah-turciej-kassetnyh-boepripasov-ukraine.html#comment-id-13241874
    2. -1
      February 28 2023
      And what actually confuses you so much, Turkey has been actively selling and selling weapons to Ukraine before that. This is a business, baby, for Turkey, our NWO is a mother, this country, together with the USA and China, is the main beneficiary of this conflict
  5. Eug
    -1
    January 15 2023
    Russia is "tied" hand and foot by Turkey ... and I don't see a conditional "stick" in the hands of Russian politicians (maybe Russia should seriously improve relations with the Kurds), only "gingerbread" ... but its own benefit and other people's gingerbread may be sweeter.
    1. 0
      January 15 2023
      Quote: Eug
      Russia is "tied" hand and foot by Turkey ... and I don't see a conditional "whip" in the hands of Russian politicians

      For that, the Turks took it and on December 26 suddenly announced the deportation of all Russian citizens who had previously received a residence permit. They must leave the country within 10 days. Explanation of a sharp deterioration in relations with Russia.
      Another spit from the "allies"
      1. +1
        January 15 2023
        You think this way, I personally think a little differently. It seems very likely that this was done at the request of our side, they are blocking a few loopholes for "departed" freelancers and remote workers.
      2. +3
        January 15 2023
        This fake, unconfirmed by anyone, was launched in Turkish publics and telegram channels, just cover it up and replicate it.
        1. -1
          January 15 2023
          In this case, Vesti 24, Izvestia, RBC are these same Turkish publics, telegram channels and ukrosmi
      3. +2
        January 15 2023
        Give a link.
        My neighbors live there in Antalya, two apartments. residence permit.
        On this information square eyes made.
  6. +1
    January 15 2023
    Erdogan was already beating his chest with his hooves and shouting: "I swear by my mother! I swear by Allah! It's not my fault! Evil people lie! Pah on them! Pah, pah, pah!"
  7. +3
    January 15 2023
    Quote: YOUR
    We have seen how Ukraine complies with international treaties to which it has joined. Back in 2006, the Convention on the Ban of Anti-Personnel Mines was ratified. Back in 2012, the complete destruction of all anti-personnel mines was announced for the entire globe. Also in 2008, they joined the Convention on the Prohibition of Cluster Munitions and ratified this treaty.
    Let me remind you that Russia and the word the United States did not join either the first or the second. But in the war with Ukraine, we do not use such mines as remotely installed butterflies, Ukraine, which destroyed them, sows cities with these mines without any problems. We have not joined the convention on cluster munitions but do not apply it, Ukraine has joined but applies it without any problems.
    A question for non-brothers, if we start using at least Hurricane MLRS cluster shells, you will at least get a little bit that there will be little left of your infantry units.


    The potheads believe that they were created for democracy, therefore, at least in front of their eyes, we are God's dew for them.
  8. +1
    January 15 2023
    https://topwar.ru/208742-predstavitel-jerdogana-nazval-absoljutnoj-lozhju-soobschenija-v-smi-o-postavkah-turciej-kassetnyh-boepripasov-ukraine.html#comment-id-13241874
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  10. +2
    January 15 2023
    It is not so much the possible supply of cluster munitions to the enemy that is worrying, he has been using them all this time without restrictions. The same Tochka-U missiles are equipped with a cluster warhead and are used by the enemy without hesitation.
    We are concerned about the lack of such ammunition in our country. In my opinion, the rejection of the 122-mm caliber and the transition to a single 152-mm caliber was just associated with the possibility of creating cluster munitions in a larger caliber. And now what? There is no convenient 122mm caliber and no cluster munitions for 152mm systems. Where is the logic here?
  11. -2
    January 15 2023
    Mattresses in their repertoire. They lie, stir up, provoke. It bakes them that Turkey and the Russian Federation are not in contact without benefit to each other, so they come up with different sloppiness.
    1. 0
      February 28 2023
      And what actually confuses you so much, Turkey has been actively selling and selling weapons to Ukraine before that. This is a business, baby, for Turkey, our NWO is a mother, this country, together with the USA and China, is the main beneficiary of this conflict
  12. -1
    January 15 2023
    turkey - God is not a yashka., these are the same speeches! - you are in the shoulders)
  13. -7
    February 22 2023
    No wonder Allah punished vile and hypocritical Turkey with a major earthquake!
    The Lord lives!
    He will not leave unpunished scoundrels who add fuel to the fire of war.
  14. -1
    March 6 2023
    It looks like the Americans are back to their old ways: they want to drive another wedge into relations between Russia and Turkey... However, they have never given up on this.

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