Key problems of SVO and ways to solve them

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Key problems of SVO and ways to solve them

"Upstairs they know what they're doing!" - you, dear readers, must have heard this phrase many times from various experts on television who tried to explain certain decisions of political power. The same phrase, in an ironic context, begins the well-known book by the Canadian Lawrence Johnston Peter "The Peter Principle, or Why Things Always Go Wrong," who studied hierarchical organizations and came to the conclusion that

"in a hierarchical system, each individual tends to rise to the level of his own incompetence."

It would seem, what does this have to do with the special military operation in Ukraine?



As it turned out, the most direct. The fact is that the root of all the problems of the SVO at the moment can be called two reasons - incompetence and impunity. The tragedy with many victims that occurred in Makeyevka, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine covered the location of Russian fighters (most of whom were mobilized from Samara) from the HIMARS MLRS, just clearly demonstrated the incompetence and lack of training of the military command.

Enough mistakes were made.

Firstly, a large number of fighters were placed in a room where there is no protected underground shelter.

Secondly, military equipment and ammunition were located near the location, which, of course, is unacceptable.

The attempt to shift all responsibility onto the dead mobilized fighters, who, they say, “didn’t turn off their phones,” is the intention to remove responsibility from specific generals who instructed to place the fighters exactly there.

In this material, we will try to answer the questions - why exactly incompetence and impunity are the key problems of the SVO and how to deal with all this.

The tragedy that was predicted


First of all, it should be noted that the tragedy in Makiivka is not an accident - it is a pattern and the result of the incompetence of the military command. Moreover, the tragedy was predicted back in mid-October by a soldier of the 107th battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR, political scientist Stanislav Smagin. In a comment to Svobodnaya Pressa on October 16, he said following:

“Sad tragic incidents are already taking place, and I am afraid that without a fundamental change in approaches, they will occur regularly. A simple example, which I voiced yesterday to my fellow journalist. The Ukrainians do not particularly hit the locations of the military personnel of the People's Militia of the DPR, although they often know their location well. Why? Because there are usually no more than fifty or sixty people there at a time, and they are distributed over several buildings. It is not particularly advisable to spend several rockets in order to hook everyone guaranteed. But when they start to drive Russian mobilized two or three hundred into one location, there can be very unpleasant and sad options. But they stop talking about it, considering it seditious.

Actually, exactly what Smagin was talking about happened in the end. He did not predict, no, he simply predicted the situation based on assessments of the situation on the front line, the lack of desire on the part of the military command to correct mistakes and punish the guilty.

“Someone quite specific, some Russian military, considered it acceptable in the 11th month of the war, after several months of missile attacks on artillery depots and dispositions, which had already entailed many casualties and shell hunger, to drive the mobilized into a heap, to impose them ammunition, furnish with equipment, make an ideal target,

- writes, for example, a fighter of the People's Militia of the LPR Andrey Morozov. He often criticizes the military command rather harshly, but this criticism cannot be called unfounded.

Of course, contrary to the reports of some Russian bloggers who expressed the timid hope that "the guilty will be found," no one was held accountable for this tragic incident.

Why is this happening?

10 problems of the RF Armed Forces


Back at the end of December, the journalist of the magazine "Expert" Peter Skorobogaty outlined the top 10 problems of the Russian army. The list looked like this:

1. Communication.

2. Intelligence, including obsolete intelligence tools and the very approaches to organizing intelligence activities. Lack of satellite vision, AWACS aircraft.

3. Lack of UAVs of all types, but especially small, company-tactical types.

4. Shortage of high-precision projectiles for artillery.

5. Weak work against enemy air defense, the inability to use control over the sky.

6. Obsolete fleet, problems of organizing a water blockade.

7. Imperfection of the supply system for troops, military expenses: first-aid kits, helmets, unloading.

8. The problem of communication horizontally and vertically, the lack of middle-level commanders.

9. The problem of communication between the military branches (a bunch of goal-setting - art; counter-battery combat).

10. Organizational problems of mobilization.

Of course, all these problems have a place to be, and one can agree with the author. However, perhaps the main problems that Russia encountered during the conduct of a special military operation were overlooked - this is incompetence and the absence of a system of punishment for the mistakes made by specific generals.

We clearly saw this in the example of General Alexander Lapin, who was removed from his post as commander of the Center united group of troops after public criticism - he was accused of leaving mobilized fighters at the front in the LPR without communications, food and ammunition, as well as dip near Izyum and Balakleya.

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, in particular, also blamed him for the surrender of Krasny Liman and was indignant that there were no checks on this matter. And now it became known that the general received a new position and headed the Main Headquarters of the Ground Forces, that is, one can say that he even went for a promotion.

“The appointment of General Lapin to a higher position is, to put it mildly, a misunderstanding. The point is not in his commanding qualities (if any), but in the fact that it was under his command that our troops suffered a heavy defeat near Balakleya and Izyum, leaving almost 10 cities as a result and "regrouping" from the Kharkov region. To raise for this is a boorish demonstration of their own invulnerability on the part of the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense, ”

- Igor Strelkov, FSB colonel in reserve, commented on this appointment.

Lapin is far from being the only person responsible for the “regrouping” from the Kharkiv region and Krasny Liman, the network called the specific names of specific responsible persons, but none of them suffered any punishment.

Why is this happening?

Peter's Principle and Parkinson's Laws


At the beginning of this article, I mentioned the book The Peter Principle, or Why Things Always Go Wrong, written by Lawrence Peter. According to his concept, a person who works in any hierarchical system will grow in his career until he takes the position that he will no longer be able to cope with. This will be the level at which the person will be "stuck" until eventually leaving the system. Peter's corollary reads:

“The general trend is that, over time, every position will be filled by an employee who is not competent enough to perform his duties [1].”

Peter's principle is very close in its fundamental idea to Parkinson's law, the difference is manifested in the conclusions drawn:

"In any hierarchical system, each individual tends to grow to a level where he is incompetent"

or more severely

"in every hierarchical system, most of the seats are filled by incompetent employees."

The law is explained simply and logically: competent employees are promoted as long as they demonstrate their competence. As soon as they stop showing it in a new place, they stop growing, but do not go down, as this would mean an admission of a mistake by the leadership. In addition, employees themselves rarely refuse promotion, even realizing their incompetence in a new place [2].

Lawrence Peter believes that once a hierarchy is established, its own existence becomes its goal. At best, this will manifest itself as local tyranny; at worst, this strategy leads to the self-destruction of the system as a whole. Moreover, this state of affairs will be facilitated by the fact that the manager who promoted the employee will not admit the mistake and will continue to support the incompetent employee.

Cyril Parkinson argues sharply with L. Peter, considering his methodology and conclusions to be erroneous, and the main difference, according to Parkinson, is how to treat employees in the organization. With Peter, they are initially competent, and only the organization itself and the rules established in it raise people up and make them incompetent.

Parkinson himself believes that people initially go to incompetence, especially those who move up the career ladder [2]. According to the author, Parkinson's point of view is closer to reality.

In the chapter "Life and Death of Institutions", Parkinson writes the following:

“Now every now and then there are institutions with a full set of superiors, consultants and employees and with a purpose-built building. Experience shows that such institutions are doomed. Perfection will kill them. They have nowhere to take root. They cannot grow because they have already grown. They can not bloom, and bear fruit - even more so. When we encounter such an occasion - for example, the UN building - we shake our heads wisely and sadly, cover the corpse with a sheet and silently go out into the air [3].

Parkinson describes three "stages of disease" of any organization, in the third stage these organizations become incapacitated.

We do not see personnel changes in the Russian army just for the reasons indicated by Peter and Parkinson - the system does not admit its mistakes and supports incompetent people. In crisis situations, this is extremely dangerous, given that incompetent leaders are simply not able to solve the tasks assigned to them.

What to do?


There are logical questions - what to do in such a situation? How to start solving the problems of SVO?

There are two ways to raise the morale of the army (which, frankly, is at a fairly low level) in two ways - firstly, by defining the goals and objectives of the NVO, the idea of ​​​​this military conflict, and secondly, by starting to punish incompetent generals and updating the system as a whole. Moreover, you definitely cannot do without the second point, since in the military command (at the most different levels) there are quite a lot of random people who “go with the flow” and do not support a common cause, for whom a comma and an indent in the report are more important than the actual combat readiness of his unit .

And you need to start, apparently, just from the second point.

We see how ordinary soldiers of the RF Armed Forces are given quite serious terms for insulting and disobeying officers, but we do not see how officers and generals themselves are punished. Attempts not to take out the garbage from the hut and not to change horses at the crossing will eventually lead to an aggravation of the situation. Admitting mistakes, punishing the guilty, removing the incompetent - this is what should be done first.

Использованная литература:
[1]. Peter L. D. The Peter Principle, or Why Things Always Go Wrong. / Aut. foreword R. Hall. - Ed .: Potpourri, 2003.
[2]. Pletnev D. A. Heuristic "laws" in the practice of developing management decisions / Bulletin of the Chelyabinsk State University, 2019.
[3]. Parkinson S. N. Parkinson's Laws / S. N. Parkinson. – M.: AST, 2004.
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  1. +45
    14 January 2023 04: 42
    Igor Strelkov, FSB colonel in reserve, commented on this appointment.

    I agree with Strelkov in this regard.
    Lapin, with all due respect to him, should be put down the opposite way until he proves his professionalism as a competent officer by deed.
    In general, I would recommend that all citizens never take a word for what comrades vested with supreme power say ... they have done too much stupidity and nasty things to our citizens since the 90s.
    smile As for our generals ... some of them are real combat generals capable of defeating the enemy, some of the parquet generals are suitable only for parades and exhibitions ... some are frank sycophants and opportunists ... and when I hear a general boasting about his position and the fact that the rest people for him are second grade below his status, you immediately understand that such an idiot should not be allowed to work closely with people.
    The NWO clearly showed the inner qualities of people ... now it is clearly visible who is a scoundrel and who is a real hero, who is able to fight, and who is mediocre in military affairs.
    1. +17
      14 January 2023 05: 07
      Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?
      1. +25
        14 January 2023 06: 14
        Teplinskiy. Commander of the Airborne Forces. Although a dishonorable operation, it was carried out very well. Departure from Kherson. I think he will show himself.
        1. +10
          14 January 2023 09: 23
          Quote: bulat
          Teplinskiy. Commander of the Airborne Forces. Although a dishonorable operation, it was carried out very well. Departure from Kherson.

          Why only this one. For a long time he was the Chief of Staff at LAPIN and his merits in the liberation of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk are many
          1. +36
            14 January 2023 18: 00
            Quote: svp67
            Why only this one. For a long time he was the Chief of Staff at LAPIN and his merits in the liberation of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk are many

            But what's the difference in these or those personalities? Do you all still not understand that there is no separate "problem of NWO", there are huge strategic, global problems of the Russian state, which this "NVO" showed in all its glory. Without structural changes in the state itself, no "problems of the NWO" can be solved; at best, there will be another shameful agreement, and at worst, the collapse and defragmentation of the country.
            1. +9
              14 January 2023 19: 27
              And nothing that we have everywhere like that? All in the reports
              1. +13
                14 January 2023 19: 49
                Quote: Civil
                And nothing that we have everywhere like that? All in the reports

                Well, yes, I am writing about it. CBO just clearly showed where we have come in 30 years of the reign of famous characters.
              2. +1
                20 January 2023 16: 39
                Everything is on our indicators, no one is interested in real problems, the main thing is that the indicators are normal
                And to bring them back to normal, it takes all the energy of people, creating lindens, hiding real problems, etc.

                PS I did not describe the work of the police, but the current situation in the state. communication companies
                But in other industries I think the same
            2. +12
              15 January 2023 16: 11
              Stalin said that every failure has its own name and surname - order was everywhere! And now even in the ARMY, where the entire organizational structure is responsible, but there is no order! I placed the mobs in 1 pile, and even in the zone of action of the enemy's MLRS - admit your guilt and make yourself hara-kiri! He placed planes and ammunition without shelter in the enemy's reach - take off your shoulder straps! He reported on 600 destroyed AFU officers, without even hitting their location - go to reconnaissance as a private! Instead of real combat training of mobs, he forced them to march and learn the charter - so he himself should be in the Disbat! Then every officer would have a soul for the common cause and for his entrusted unit! But all this requires will and firm vertical power, without concessions and without nepotism! If, for example, under Stalin what happened to the mobiles in Makeevka happened, I think that the responsible officer would be sent immediately to the penal battalion, and someone from his leadership would go down to his place with a decrease, the rest would have had a hard time, at least somehow who participated in the disgrace!
              What does it mean? -So there is no will from above to restore order! A president, a min. Where are the defenses looking?
              1. +10
                15 January 2023 20: 56
                Quote from: Peter1First
                What does this mean?

                A systemic crisis in the Russian state, that's what it means.
              2. -1
                16 January 2023 12: 59
                only after such officers will not be at all, they will quickly go to the reserve
              3. +1
                17 January 2023 10: 08
                Quote from: Peter1First
                Stalin said that every failure has its own name and surname - order was everywhere!

                Uh-huh ... I recommend reading the "Act on the reception of the People's Commissariat of Defense of the USSR Timoshenko S.K. from Voroshilov K.E." - great eliminates illusions about the order in the temporary detention center.
                The leadership of the USSR needed the Soviet-Finnish war to understand that something was wrong with the Red Army. And before that - the same bravura reports, the same belief that all the problems that emerged during the exercises, in the Far East and in Poland, are just "separate shortcomings" associated with specific personalities.
                And as it came to a full-fledged war at the level of armies, as a result, the inflated reporting bubble burst. And a systemic crisis was exposed: there were no commanders, no staff officers, no trained ordinary personnel, not even political workers.
                Creation of a cultural, qualified and educated command staff. We do not have such a commanding staff, or there are only a few.

                Farther. Well put together and skillfully working staffs are required. Until recently, they said that such and such a commander failed, a hat, you need to go to his headquarters. Or, for example, a person with a "vein" accidentally got into the headquarters, he can command, they say he has no place in the headquarters, he needs to be at the command post.
                If you look at the headquarters in this way, then we will not have a headquarters.

                Then, well-trained, disciplined, enterprising fighters are required for modern warfare. Our fighter lacks initiative. He is individually underdeveloped. He is poorly trained, and when a person does not know the business, where can he take the initiative and therefore he is poorly disciplined. Such new fighters must be created, not those Mityukhs who went into the civil war. We need a new fighter. It must and can be created: proactive, individually developed, disciplined.
                For modern warfare, we need politically stable and knowledgeable political workers. It is not enough that the political worker verbally repeats the party of Lenin-Stalin, all the same as hallelujah-hallelujah. It's not enough, it's not enough now. He must be politically stable, politically educated and cultured, he must know military affairs. Without this, we will not have a good fighter, a well-organized supply, a well-organized replenishment for the army.
                These are all the conditions that are required in order to wage a modern war on us, the Soviet people, and to win this war.
                © IVS
                Quote from: Peter1First
                Instead of real combat training of mobs, he forced them to march and learn the charter - so he himself should be in the Disbat!

                That's right, why do we need the Charter. Give! Forward! Don't argue! - everything you need to know the fighter and junior commander. And the construction of defense, the order of actions during an offensive, the organization of a march, interaction - this is all heresy, invented by wise men who held nothing harder than a pen.
                And then the military officers begin to cry that the fighters do not know how to fight.
                On 08.08.08 there was one commander who considered that the Charter was not for him. He led the BTG into an ambush and he himself received a bullet.
              4. +2
                17 January 2023 11: 55
                So we have a solid vertical power. Harder nowhere. Vertical power is a hierarchical structure and the entire article is about the problems of such a structure.

                I placed the mobs in 1 pile, and even in the zone of action of the enemy's MLRS - admit your guilt and make yourself hara-kiri! He placed planes and ammunition without shelter in the enemy's reach - take off your shoulder straps!

                It won't solve the control problem. These are simple solutions that you don't have to think about.
                But nothing that the MLRS coverage area is tens of kilometers. Both the first and second lines of defense, at least always fall within the range of enemy artillery.
                If the officer is not told how to do it, the result will be zero. This is not just a decision at the level of an individual officer. These rules and methods must be developed at the level of the entire army. How to disguise, how to hide, how to provide ammunition, how to provide communications?

                Instead of real combat training of mobs, he forced them to march and learn the charter - so he himself should be in the Disbat!

                The problem is that this officer taught what he knows and how he himself was taught. The initial problem is that the system has set the position of training an incompetent person and a replacement will be sent the same.
                Without changing the management system, such methods will only worsen the situation.
                Stalin said that every failure has its own name and surname - order was everywhere!

                With this order, the enemy reached Moscow in a few months.
      2. -20
        14 January 2023 07: 24
        Quote from alexoff
        Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

        Surovikin showed himself well, even when you look at him, it is clear that he is a real general.
        1. +31
          14 January 2023 09: 07
          So far, he has become famous for having passed Kherson and several districts of the Kherson region “not badly”.
          1. +11
            14 January 2023 09: 51
            Quote: Marine Engineer
            So far, he has become famous for having passed Kherson and several districts of the Kherson region “not badly”.

            In general, under his command, our troops acted excellently from the Crimea, passed through the entire Kherson region, part of the Zaporozhye region and went to Mariupol
            1. +18
              14 January 2023 10: 55
              “... under his command, our troops operated excellently from the Crimea, passed through the entire Kherson region, part of the Zaporozhye region and entered ...

              The surprise factor, the lack of Nazi forces in these areas. Under such conditions, you need to be an "alternatively gifted" general in order not to succeed.
              1. +10
                14 January 2023 14: 29
                Raising the morale of the army ... can be done in two ways, firstly, by outlining the goals and objectives of the NWO, the idea of ​​​​this military conflict, and secondly, by starting to punish incompetent generals and updating the system as a whole.

                —-Absurdity: the team lost several games. Team morale at the bottom. To increase the sports spirit, they change coaches, several weak players and the team organization system.

                —- How about simpler, faster and next - the result, a victory, although not great, but on the battlefield. Without this, all changes are work on the process, not the result.
              2. +6
                14 January 2023 20: 28
                Shortly before the war, I saw a Ukrainian reportage on the border with Crimea, there was a line of defense with troops, and the isthmus was narrow. You had to be gifted in order to make a breakthrough under such conditions.
                1. +1
                  15 January 2023 06: 41
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  You had to be gifted in order to make a breakthrough under such conditions.

                  And most importantly, make passes in the cost center, as if they were going not to defend, but to attack ...
              3. +3
                16 January 2023 23: 27
                Quote: Marine Engineer
                The surprise factor, the lack of Nazi forces in these areas.

                There really was a "suddenness" factor, although the Armed Forces of Ukraine knew about the offensive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they were preparing, but they did not know the exact date.
                But talking about "insufficient enemy forces" (?) ... How is that?
                They had from 350 to 500 thousand well-trained armed people under arms! Against our 150 - 160 thousand united group !! Taking into account the mobilized corps of the republics of Donbass. When no more than (!!!) 30 bayonets operated in each of the directions. And the grouping from the Crimea acted in three directions at once:
                - in Kherson-Nikolaev,
                - in Zaporozhye,
                - in Mariupol.
                Remind you what detachment of forces was surrounded by Mariupol?
                And with what forces was the assault carried out?
                The number of encircled elite (!) enemy forces was at least 1,5 times greater than the number of those who surrounded! Nevertheless, Mariupol was taken by storm.
                Almost straight away.
                My friend, as part of the 9th regiment of the DPR, took part in this assault. And it was their battalion that launched this assault.
                But the same group (headed by Surovikin) also took Energodar. And on the right bank, our troops reached the suburbs of Krivoy Rog and Nikolaev.
                And if the total number of our troops in the NVO was about 300-350 thousand, this could be quite enough for the successful continuation of the operation with the control of the occupied territories and the supply routes of the troops. And for timely rotation. It was this minimum number of troops that could ensure success with the condition of surprise. But not a "hodgepodge" of 160 thousand bayonets.
                Quote: Marine Engineer
                Under such conditions, you need to be an "alternatively gifted" general in order not to succeed.

                Under such conditions, one must be remarkably capable in order to prevent the defeat and encirclement of one's troops after the collapse of the adventure of the first breakthrough. For the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the same day (24.02.2022) announced mobilization and in 2-3 weeks Kyiv alone gave 70 thousand volunteers (not conscripts). And this is when a consolidated group of 30 thousand attacked Kyiv !!! Against "over 100 thousand garrison and volunteers"!
                So the southern group, whatever one may say, turned out to be the most successful - it took control of the largest territory (two southern regions and part of Donetsk) and to this day has ceded only the Kherson bridgehead. In contrast to the few northern regions left by other groups.
                But who hung on the ears of the leadership and the military that "they are waiting for us there with flowers", who forbade "opening fire on Ukrainian servicemen", removing Ukrainian flags, disarming the police and disbanding local administrations ... he is GUILTY.
          2. +32
            14 January 2023 10: 38
            Quote: Marine Engineer
            So far, he has become famous for having passed Kherson and several districts of the Kherson region “not badly”.


            As far as I remember, it was General Lapin who "became famous" in the Kherson region, who "regrouped" in such a way that it is still not possible to return all the cities and towns.

            In Kherson, yes, General Surovikin took responsibility .... but who led the situation to such an outcome? Why at one time failed to implement the offensive from Kherson to Nikolaev-Odessa? Why, for such an amount of time, the defense line around Kherson was not properly equipped? Surovikin became the commander of the NWO from October 8, 2022, and when was Kherson taken (from March 3, 2022)?

            But why Gerasimov and the generals under his command did not "become famous" is a good question ... with Lapin - Kadyrov raised the information wave, and if he had not been indignant, we would not have known about it) but who planned / implemented the first phase SVO? Why does the country not know "heroes"? Not in order...
            1. +13
              14 January 2023 11: 03
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              who led the situation to such an outcome? Why at one time failed to implement the offensive from Kherson to Nikolaev-Odessa? Why for such an amount of time, around Kherson, the defense line was not properly equipped?

              It is likely that this is no longer a question for the generals, they fight with what they have! But the "resources" are given to the generals by political leadership! Why was the mobilization not in the spring with the start of hostilities and the mobilization of the enemy, but in the fall when the enemy began to stupidly push with numbers ?!
              The question is as follows: when did the generals begin to ask for mobilization and when did the political leadership agree to mobilization? How will the answer to this question be, then it will be clear WHO is to blame for the absence of troops and a defense line near Kherson bully
              I think that even before February 24, the generals asked for troops soldier
            2. +2
              14 January 2023 11: 23
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              Surovikin became the commander of the SVO from October 8, 2022, and when was Kherson taken (from March 3, 2022)?

              And before that, he commanded the "YUG" grouping, this tells you something ...
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              As far as I remember, it was General Lapin who "became famous" in the Kherson region, who "regrouped" in such a way that it is still not possible to return all the cities and towns.

              You have memory lapses. Lapin commanded the "O" (Brave) grouping, and these are Sumy, Chernihiv, and then Lugansk
              1. +1
                14 January 2023 19: 03
                Quote: svp67
                And before that, he commanded the "YUG" grouping, this tells you something ...


                The appointment of General Surovikin as commander of the NMD just speaks of his good work ... if he were responsible for the failures, he would not have been appointed to such a high post, do you agree?

                Further, the generals responsible for certain areas are accountable to the general staff and the chief of the general staff - Gerasimov, + Shoigu, after all, is considered their chief ... and the question is:

                Why at one time failed to implement the offensive from Kherson to Nikolaev-Odessa?


                refers to the level above i.e. our general staff and high command. The same applies to the question of the defense of Kherson ... why, only after its surrender, did we normally begin to build defensive lines? In all directions ... (and under Surovikin), but before his appointment, everything was rather sad, also the Kharkov direction ... if we were to gain a foothold there as expected, would we really have to do a "regrouping"?

                Quote: svp67
                You have memory lapses. Lapin commanded the "O" (Brave) grouping, and these are Sumy, Chernihiv, and then Lugansk


                Indeed, nowhere is it indicated that General Lapin was responsible for the Kharkov direction, just as they don’t write who was responsible for the Kharkov region at that moment in time .... we can of course assume that it was General Alexander Zhuravlev who was removed (and some media wrote that it was him wards were there), but there is no direct confirmation - command, this is not.

                Some media wrote that it was Lapin who at that time led the troops of the Western Military District in this area .... others wrote that they didn’t, and it’s not clear who to believe, on the one hand, the general could be falsely accused, on the other hand, there could be an information wave (from above) for the purpose of cover, through controlled telegram channels .... but we will assume that Zhuravlev is guilty.

                But there is confirmation from Kadyrov (a person who definitely has information) that Lapin was responsible for the Liman Front (LNR), and almost simultaneously with the "regrouping" in the Kharkov region, the Liman Front failed ...

                +

                The commander of the Central Military District (CVO), Colonel-General Alexander Lapin, allowed a breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlements of Terny, Torskoye and Yampolovka (all in the DPR), because of which it was decided to remove the units from the defense of the city of Rubizhne. The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, spoke about this on his telegram channel.


                So even without information on the Kharkov direction, Lapin had failures in those areas where he commanded.
            3. +14
              14 January 2023 11: 35
              “In Kherson, yes, General Surovikin took responsibility ....”

              I remember his words “about not simple decisions ..”, as well as what the “guardians” wrote on the site, they say the Dnieper will freeze, the crossing of ammunition, the wounded, food, fuel and lubricants will become impossible, in general, a trap.
              As of 02.01.2023/10/XNUMX, the air temperature in Kherson was + XNUMX, no ice if We continued to defend Kherson, but Surovikin made a “difficult decision” and as a result the Nazis were able to save personnel, hundreds, maybe thousands of tons of ammunition, hundreds of pieces of equipment, motor resource of equipment, the resource of gun barrels that has been (will be) used in other areas.
              1. SIT
                +14
                14 January 2023 20: 00
                Quote: Marine engineer
                if We continued to defend Kherson, but Surovikin made a "difficult decision".

                Kherson would have been surrendered even if the grouping of Russian troops was commanded by A.V. Suvorov, and the chief of staff was M.I. Kutuzov. For Kherson TO R.A. Abramovich was given as much as 7 billion dollars in the ass. Right the next day, as the last boat left on the left bank. Cheap fuckers western!!! For such grandmas, Roma would easily organize Sevastopol for them in addition.
          3. -3
            14 January 2023 16: 43
            Before making such categorical statements, you would first familiarize yourself with the track record and details of the military path of General Surovikin. Everything is in the public domain
        2. +15
          14 January 2023 11: 29
          Quote from ARIONkrsk
          Quote from alexoff
          Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

          Surovikin showed himself well, even when you look at him, it is clear that he is a real general.

          Those. From now on, will the competence and professionalism of a general be determined by his appearance? By appearance?
          Then Nekrasov's "general" Toptygin can serve as the standard of competence:
          "And the caretaker jumped back:
          "Lord have mercy!
          For forty years I served
          Faith, truth, strength;
          I saw a lot on the road
          strict generals,
          No rib, teeth in the mouth
          Many are missing
          And I did not see this
          Lord Jesus!
          The Unforgettable General
          Apparently, in a new taste! .. "
      3. +35
        14 January 2023 08: 25
        Quote from alexoff
        Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

        How simple and easy it is to look for "one guilty" in the system, and then look for a "savior" who "settles everything"...
        But none of the "arbitrators" and their company will ever hint at changing the system itself.
        1. +29
          14 January 2023 09: 05
          Quote: Doccor18
          But none of the "arbitrators" and their company will ever hint at changing the system itself.

          What for? Here they are just, built since the time of Yeltsin and Gorbachev, the system is quite satisfied. Everything is in business, with money, with power, their children are also not in the trenches, they are also in business and with money.)))
        2. +10
          14 January 2023 14: 50
          Quote: Doccor18
          But none of the "arbitrators" and their company will ever hint at changing the system itself.


          Basically, what you say is correct. I would also add for the military system, which, after almost eighty years of peaceful coexistence with the state, has become bronzed and has ceased to adapt to the ever-changing realities of warfare.
        3. -2
          14 January 2023 15: 27
          Quote: Doccor18
          But none of the "arbitrators" and their company will ever hint at changing the system itself.

          And what will it give???
          Smart and conscientious generals??
          Zhukov, being the NGSH KA, for 10 days of the war only near Minsk had about 200 total losses, Minsk also lost at the same time ...
          Punished ??? head chopped off or impaled ???
          And then ....
          The system was fundamentally the other, but the approaches to the generals were the same ...
          And yes, not one of the USSR Ministry of Defense until the 1980s, almost until the collapse of the USSR, bothered: and someone is there for the nameless fighters lying around in the forests ?????
          "No one is forgotten", yeah ..
          Nah, it’s better to let the fighters pull their socks and beat off a corner on the blanket with little pieces - this increases the security of the Motherland .... the enemy will see that 2 million soldiers knock on the blankets with little pieces every morning and get dirty.
          And the fact that there in the forests fighters profaned by Zhukov are lying around unburied - these are trifles, it happens ...
          1. SIT
            +9
            14 January 2023 19: 53
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Doccor18
            But none of the "arbitrators" and their company will ever hint at changing the system itself.

            And what will it give???
            Smart and conscientious generals??
            Zhukov, being the NGSH KA, for 10 days of the war only near Minsk had about 200 total losses, Minsk also lost at the same time ...
            Punished ??? head chopped off or impaled ???
            And then ....
            The system was fundamentally the other, but the approaches to the generals were the same ...
            .

            For the defeat of the Western Front in general and for the loss of Minsk in particular, General Pavlov was shot. Who and how is now responsible for the disgrace of Balakleya, Liman and Kherson?
          2. +1
            15 January 2023 00: 46
            It should also be taken into account that the first months of the Second World War, the Red Army waged defensive battles, for which it did not prepare either theoretically or practically. And at the time of the attack, it was in the stage of reform, initiated by Zhukov, among other things, after the KShU in the summer of 1940.
            1. +1
              15 January 2023 21: 08
              The Red Army waged defensive battles for which it did not prepare either theoretically or practically.

              Is this an excuse? Rather, it draws on a point in the guilty verdict for the persons who were responsible for the content of the preparation of parts of the Red Army.
            2. 0
              17 January 2023 10: 19
              Quote: Andrey Andreev
              It should also be taken into account that the first months of the Second World War, the Red Army waged defensive battles, for which it did not prepare either theoretically or practically.

              Come on. In the same PribVO, defense training exercises accounted for a third of the total number of exercises.
              No one could simply defend themselves with an unmobilized army, even if they "turn the board over" and imagine the Germans in our place. And military and political intelligence could not provide 146% of the grounds for mobilization.
              Quote: Andrey Andreev
              And at the time of the attack, it was in the stage of reform, initiated by Zhukov, among other things, after the KShU in the summer of 1940.

              Earlier. The beginning of the reforms of the Red Army - the summer of 1939, when the mobilization reserve was knocked out from under the army in one fell swoop, starting the deployment of "troikas" into cropped units. Which, even according to the plan, would have been provided with equipment and weapons only in 1940. But which was inevitable, because by the end of the 30s, the deployment of "troikas" in the event of a war would have ended after the defeat of the cover army.
              Well, the SPV became the verdict of the old Red Army. As a result of which the IVS admitted that we do not have a modern army.
      4. +20
        14 January 2023 11: 23
        Quote from alexoff
        Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

        The question is, of course, interesting.
        Probably the one who received the general's stars not for personal loyalty to the first person in the state.
        And not for success in biathlon.
        And not for the ability to lick to shine the economy entrusted to him before the arrival of the inspectors.
        A man who is really competent in military affairs. A professional who received a general's position deservedly.
        But such an answer immediately gives rise to the following question - can there be such generals in modern Russia? At least theoretically?
        1. 0
          15 January 2023 00: 37
          can there be such generals in modern Russia? At least theoretically?

          There are such people in any country, the state must create conditions for such people to show themselves.
        2. +5
          15 January 2023 00: 57
          Quote from: skeptick2
          But such an answer immediately gives rise to the following question - can there be such generals in modern Russia? At least theoretically?

          such mutants, at best, end their careers as major lieutenant colonels by seniority.
          1. +5
            15 January 2023 21: 19
            Any transition from a long peace to wartime is accompanied by the "washing out" of the army of a part of the generals and officers who are not able to restructure their thinking. Their place is taken by those who are able to command and achieve their goals in the war.
            In our country, this did not happen during the year of the NWO - the parquet generals remain in their places. We console ourselves with the mantra that our VS are learning, gaining experience. But this is mostly crap - our generals are 60 years old or more, by this age people gain experience, but the downside is a significant decrease in learning ability. Down to zero. And experience... If this is the experience of preparing for parades and other biathlon-like shows, ostentatious exercises, then this experience not only does not help, but it is frankly harmful. Such "commanders" turn non-war into their habitual eyewash. Just because they know how to do just that.
            1. +1
              16 January 2023 11: 48
              part of the crap - our generals are 60 years old or more, by this age people gain experience, but the downside is a significant decrease in learning ability. Down to zero. And experience.

              Why write nonsense, most of our generals who directly command the troops are not yet 60 years old. Now, should they become generals at 35?)))) A person must go from "infusoria of a shoe" to the rank of commander. The vast majority of generals who are now in the NVO zone have real combat experience, starting with the first Chechen one. only there, they were commanders of platoons, companies and battalions. What other combat experience do they have?! Where can we get it if we didn’t really fight anywhere (well, thank God) ?! In the war that is going on now, no one has experience, starting with the NHS and ending with a snotty lieutenant. In the Second World War, the experience of our commanders began to appear only by the end of 1942 !!! Although, Khalkhin Gol was, and Finnish, and Spain ....
      5. 0
        14 January 2023 12: 46
        Kadyrov. So it is necessary to put the MO ..... And he, these red bears will quickly be sent to Magadan
        1. +8
          14 January 2023 20: 47
          Yeah ... Kadyrov will show you how to fight, on tik-tok. An old proverb: the farther to the rear, the more "heroes".
      6. +15
        14 January 2023 14: 43
        Quote from alexoff
        Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

        It's not even about personalities, but about systemic errors. To be a pro, you need to constantly learn (the world is changing before our eyes). Scientists say that after the age of 50, a person's ability to learn begins to decline. But if a person does not receive the latest knowledge in his field of activity, he degrades as a professional. Drones! And what is it? We have drones! Precision ammo? Since the times of the USSR, we have had so many shells that the lunar landscape is provided to the enemy. AWACS? Yes, we have A-50!
        ...... Maybe I'm exaggerating a little. But how can one not remember V. I. Lenin - study, study, and study again! So we learn, smearing bloody snot. Therefore, people who have been at war since the age of 14 fall into a stupor from what is happening. hi
      7. AAK
        +15
        14 January 2023 15: 52
        I believe that our army in the NMD does not need heroes, but professionals who honestly and efficiently do their job. He completed the task, inflicted serious losses on the enemy and did not allow such losses on the part of his troops, and also not a thief or a scoundrel - that means a professional in his place. Worst of all, at the very top they will not understand a simple rule from physics - you can only rely on what resists. Full approval may well, under certain conditions, end in complete betrayal ...
      8. +3
        14 January 2023 18: 42
        Quote from alexoff
        Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

        Normal those who are haited by power or top management. In this system there are ONLY their own kind, others will not be allowed there. It is in the West that they grow according to their abilities. Our growth is based on the ability to "present", the ability to timely and who needs to be lifted up, and to be personally devoted, well, not to climb into power. Everyone rushed to the trough, now they all have one task to stay at this trough. Therefore, Wagner is inappropriate for them, he shows all THEIR incompetence. And hence the nominal attitude towards them after the capture of Soledar by them. They did not come to their court.
      9. +7
        14 January 2023 21: 40
        A recent story, when the deputy commander of the Ninth Regiment was demoted to sergeant and sent as a squad leader to another unit just because he dared to open the eyes of the new general to the state of affairs in the regiment. The man fought from the fourteenth year, does not get out of the front from the beginning of the operation - and went to such and such a mother as a warning to everyone who wants to open their mouths so that the eyes of the authorities open. By the way, how did it end?
      10. -1
        22 January 2023 12: 37
        they don’t show such people on TV ... I hope that there are many real officers and generals. and those who run around the offices with papers are servants in the rank of officer
    2. +56
      14 January 2023 05: 15
      In the photo, the beginning of the NWO, the Kharkov direction, the execution of our column of paratroopers. When, according to the plans, they marched almost in parade columns without cover. This is for you
      As for our generals...
      Did someone answer? Has anyone been removed? No one. For that, see so many Heroes of Russia among the generals. The opinion is not only mine, but also that of the majority, the general can receive such a high award only for a carefully planned and conducted operation. He does not sit in the trenches and does not show personal courage and does not lead into battle. Not in reproach, but a statement of fact, this is not a general's business. But where are these operations? I see only throwing shells and frontal attacks.
      1. -2
        14 January 2023 06: 17
        Quote: YOUR
        Has anyone been removed?

        Colonel Generals Alexander Zhuravlev and Gennady Zhidko
        1. +20
          14 January 2023 10: 21
          Removed?
          Colonel General Alexander Zhuravlev serves in the General Staff, Colonel General Gennady Zhidko is the commander of the Eastern Military District.
          1. -1
            14 January 2023 11: 31
            Quote: YOUR
            Removed?

            Yeah they took it off...
            Quote: YOUR
            Colonel General Gennady Zhidko Commander of the Eastern Military District.

            Since October 05, 2022, the troops of the Eastern Military District are commanded by Lieutenant General Muradov, Rustam Usmanovich
            Quote: YOUR
            Colonel General Alexander Zhuravlev serves in the General Staff,

            These are your words, can you confirm? So far, there is only the Decree of the President of September 29, 2022 on his removal from the post of Commander of the Western Military District
            1. +4
              14 January 2023 12: 23
              Quote: svp67
              These are your words, can you confirm?

              No I can not. Appointments to positions are kept secret. Everything is just hearsay. What is brought to us is the same Presidential Decree to which you refer to the word without a number, and besides, information about it was published not on 29.09.22/09.09.22/XNUMX but on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, but from what date this Decree is not online.
              Something like this.
              1. -1
                15 January 2023 06: 44
                Quote: YOUR
                Something like this.

                That is, you no longer dispute the question that these generals were removed from their posts? Already good
            2. +25
              14 January 2023 12: 33
              And also the Deputy Defense Ministry for Logistics, General Bulgakov. With the transfer to the group of chief inspectors of the Moscow Region. Now he will inspect and transfer experience - how to ensure the disappearance of one and a half million sets of ammunition, and much more.
              1. +4
                14 January 2023 22: 21
                I agree, now when inspecting yourself, you wouldn’t get out). Sarcasm of course.
      2. +46
        14 January 2023 06: 26
        Indeed, the rewards should be differentiated very clearly. Just as an ordinary soldier cannot, for example, receive military orders (Suvorov, Kutuzova, etc.), so a leader of a strategic level, in theory, cannot become a Hero of Russia simply because, in the performance of his duties, he is not in the conditions for the manifestation of heroism.
        1. +37
          14 January 2023 09: 27
          Indeed, the rewards should be differentiated very clearly.
          I agree here, otherwise our entire generals are hung with orders and medals, you don’t understand why. They repelled the coming of the Martians.
          1. +28
            14 January 2023 11: 00
            Look for a medal! A huge honor!
            I have countless awards!
            All hung like a tree
            On the back - and then there are six of them!
            laughing
          2. +15
            14 January 2023 11: 13
            "And on his mighty chest one medal hung in a bunch, and that one for long service" ...
            But seriously, then
            Quote: not the one
            ... otherwise our entire generals are hung with orders and medals, don’t understand why

            This is the general. But you look, it happens, a lieutenant colonel or a cap is standing at the parade. two, and on the tunic there is only a rhombus of the school and something else. Let there be no war, let him not send a regiment to attack, let him not lead the defeat of the enemy landing, but he served, served for fifteen years, and, apparently, not bad, so why not give him a medal for impeccable service or for successfully conducted exercises / performance tasks..?
          3. +20
            14 January 2023 12: 41
            I agree here, otherwise our entire generals are hung with orders and medals, you don’t understand why. They repelled the coming of the Martians.

            Why Martians? For preparation for the parade - an order. For tank biathlon - an order. For the ostentatious teaching, where they shout cheers, the tanks go in a line and make broads, and from above, directly onto the battlefield, the paratroopers descend, shouting hurray while still hanging under the dome - orders to everyone involved. For 10 years of such service, it is necessary to lengthen the tunic to the knees in order to fit all the orders. Or breast augmentation surgery.
            1. 0
              14 January 2023 15: 41
              Quote: UAZ 452
              For 10 years of such service, it is necessary to lengthen the tunic to the knees in order to fit all the orders. Or breast augmentation surgery.

              Are you talking about "Dear Leonid Ilyich" ??
              1. +11
                14 January 2023 17: 11
                Two simple things need to be understood about Leonid Ilyich, firstly, he was really a combat officer who went through the war, and more than once went on a boat to the "small land" under shelling, the second, which is also no less important, was made by his environment in his old age, and the third he asked about resignation, realizing that he has already become old,
              2. +1
                17 January 2023 10: 28
                Quote: your1970
                Are you talking about "Dear Leonid Ilyich" ??

                This is about the "Procedure for placing medals of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the uniform of military personnel and civilian personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation." Which lists 122 medals including:
                "For contribution to congress and exhibition activities";
                "For contribution to the development of the International Army Games";
                "For excellence in financial support";
                "100 years of military trade";
                "For participation in the Main Naval Parade";
                "For participation in the military parade on Victory Day"
                "For participation in the military parade to mark the 70th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.";
                "For participation in the military parade commemorating the 75th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."
                Yes, we have three medals for the parade.
        2. +9
          14 January 2023 12: 37
          the head of the strategic level, in theory, cannot become a Hero of Russia simply because, in the performance of his duties, he is not in the conditions for the manifestation of heroism

          Well, don’t tell me ... To report something that the Supreme will not like - that heroism is still needed. But judging by what is happening, there were no such daredevils, so no one deserved a hero according to this criterion. Remember how Patrushev bleated, sweating, at a meeting in February? But still, cowardice won and obediently took under the visor, clicking his buttocks.
          1. +2
            14 January 2023 17: 15
            The discussion was before, and then just announced the decision.
        3. +22
          14 January 2023 12: 50
          I went to our regional council of veterans and drew attention to the chairman .... Enters the room does not greet you, looks at you like. As a result, he died. And then the information went, let's name our technical park on the river in honor of this comrade .... I got stuck in the Podolsk archive to see what this uncle is famous for. It turned out that he went to war in the forty-fourth year and received a red star .... The staff officer looked at the front line climbed the battle path, he did not receive a red star for restoring exemplary order in the award business ....
          And you are talking about the current heroes with it is not clear why .... The scheme was worked out a long time ago
        4. +20
          14 January 2023 13: 58
          Ever since the Second World War, it has been noticed that "Ivan for the attack ...., and Manka for .... the Red Star." What changed? Look at the "generalissimo" Shevtsova ...
        5. +5
          15 January 2023 11: 50
          Quote: Just_Kvasha
          Indeed, the rewards should be differentiated very clearly. Just as an ordinary soldier cannot, for example, receive military orders (Suvorov, Kutuzova, etc.), so a leader of a strategic level, in theory, cannot become a Hero of Russia simply because, in the performance of his duties, he is not in the conditions for the manifestation of heroism.

          And the former Minister of Defense Serdyukov, the hero of Russia, how is that? Dali for the collapse of the army, or heroism?
          1. +4
            15 January 2023 21: 22
            And what did the current MO get for? Or, when he was the Ministry of Emergency Situations, did he personally pull people out of the fire?
      3. +7
        14 January 2023 08: 00
        Empty.
        If everyone is equal, then everyone should have a chance to become a dollar billion with a 150m yacht.
        The means are different. Dispose of the meth plant or the military district.
        Efficiency of financial flows.
        Not people's lives.
        Pleased about mid-level communications.
        Some in the 90s thought that the initial accumulation was 5-10 years. They were mistaken - this is in everyone's brains, dark matter, the subconscious.
        Level of non/-competence=old man.
        Sinfulness.
        Each has a bible. There is. Or for gold or for indifference to the fate of people.
        The generals have raised the bar to hell.
        Maybe there is, until we see: to whom much has been given, much will be asked for
        1. +12
          14 January 2023 10: 05
          And who will ask? An atheist, do not offer an answer about God's punishment?
      4. +21
        14 January 2023 10: 02
        No one. For that, see so many Heroes of Russia among the generals. The opinion is not only mine, but also that of the majority, the general can receive such a high award only for a carefully planned and conducted operation.

        Carefully planning and conducting operations is just their job, you don’t give the hero of Russia to the cashier for normal service in a magnet or to the tiler for a flat tile? A hero is someone who has already done something extraordinary, going beyond the norm in a positive direction.
        1. +10
          14 January 2023 12: 47
          It’s really not right to give a hero for this, especially since there are military orders. As far as I know, in the Republic of Ingushetia the soldier "George" was given solely for personal courage and nothing else. But in later times, although it has now become mainstream to admire them, the percentage of Heroes among the generals was much higher than among junior officers and soldiers.
          1. +4
            14 January 2023 17: 20
            In WW1, there was a practice when the soldiers themselves in the company decided whom to award, such George was the pride of the recipient, his merits were recognized not only by commanders.
      5. -4
        14 January 2023 15: 36
        Quote: YOUR
        For that, see so many Heroes of Russia among the generals. The opinion is not only mine, but also that of the majority, the general can receive such a high award only for a carefully planned and conducted operation.

        Yes Yes....
        "Only for a carefully planned and carried out operation" ... Tell me for what operations did L.I. Brezhnev receive a handful (!!!!) of Heroes ???
        Well, judging by the Order of Victory, he immediately commanded all fronts ... at the same time ...
    3. +6
      14 January 2023 05: 38
      The NWO clearly showed the inner qualities of people ... now it is clearly visible who is a scoundrel and who is a real hero, who is able to fight, and who is mediocre in military affairs.

      A good phrase for a rally, and more specifically
      1. -1
        14 January 2023 07: 23
        Quote: Konnick
        A good phrase for a rally, and more specifically

        For more specific details, see the battles of the Wagnerites.
        1. +15
          14 January 2023 10: 08
          Yesterday's convicts are fighting for a specific and very understandable goal - the abolition of the term and the removal of a criminal record. specific patriotism.
          1. 0
            14 January 2023 22: 21
            But after all, not everyone agreed, and not everyone would have been taken. During the battle, bullets and the rest removes a criminal record along with life. Nizya now fight with Stalin's methods, so you won't get money. You need to fight in such a way that the enemy himself would send yours, earned by hard work, to the bank on demand. Remember how the tooth grabber explained to the service dog how he was terribly robbed, but they don’t want it. In addition, the fewer able to fight in the rear, the sweeter the sleep. Checking the people, below, for lice. Less people, wider circle for a round dance.
            1. +1
              16 January 2023 02: 08
              Point and the people in musicians specific. For those who are afraid, they, just, were not taken into account. Well, until recently, until they became a real force. And the thesis about a combat-ready people sent to the front is refuted by a lethal fact - the Revolution of 1917. They returned and stopped the round dance.
    4. -26
      14 January 2023 06: 12
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I agree with Strelkov in this regard.

      And what kind of FSB Colonel Strelkov?????? Who is this? You already decide whether this is either FSB Colonel Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin or Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, a man with an exciting fate.
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Lapin, with all due respect to him, should be put down the opposite way until he proves his professionalism as a competent officer by deed.

      And how did Girkin prove his competence after the surrender of Slavyansk? To hand over the key city of the entire operation before the start of the "North Wind", ,,, Are you really still sure that it was just removed from there and is no longer allowed there?
      And don't touch Lapin, he suffered so well, for other people's sins and his own inconsistency with the "powerful ones of this world."
      The fact that they were now urgently forced to FINALLY build a normal vertical of power in the NWO is an echo of the "graters" with Lapin, which even Surovikin was unable to resolve ...
      A lot will become known in ten years... And many of today's heroes will no longer have that "holy halo" over their heads
      1. +1
        14 January 2023 06: 25
        Quote: svp67
        You already decide whether it is either FSB Colonel Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin or Igor Ivanovich Strelkov

        Strelkov wrote in a telegram on 02.10.2022 that "Kadyrov (with the support of Prigozhin)" attacked "General Lapin for the surrender of Liman (although the latter's fault is only that he does not get along with Kadyrov himself, since Lapin was not initially responsible for the defense of Liman - its units were sent to help from another sector of the front and, moreover, sent too late)". 10.01.2023/10/XNUMX Strelkov writes in a telegram "The appointment of General Lapin to a higher position, to put it mildly, is a misunderstanding. The point is not in his commanding qualities (if any), but in the fact that it was under his command that our troops suffered a heavy defeat near Balakleya and Raisins, leaving, as a result, almost XNUMX cities and "regrouped" from the Kharkov region. "
        Thus, Strelkov-Girkin changes his mind like a weather vane. A very dull personality.
        1. +1
          14 January 2023 07: 25
          Most likely, Girkin wrote in October, and shooters in January.
        2. +27
          14 January 2023 09: 27
          Don't touch Igor Ivanovich! At least since March-April, Strelkov has been writing about all the shortcomings of the SVO. And then we wrote with boiling water, having heard and read Podolyak, Sladkovy and Poddubny and others (regrouping near Kyiv) A cold shower for all of us! I didn't believe it when I listened to his comments. Yes, it can't be like that. What he says. We have an ARMY!!! FORCE!!! And he turned out to be right about almost everything!
          1. +2
            15 January 2023 19: 59
            Alas, official military correspondents and bloggers who are welcomed by pro-government structures may well act on the principle: "they won't lie, but they won't always tell the truth." So you need to read everything: "both ours and the enemy" and think with your head. And independent bloggers (I don't know any) often don't have information and just repeat what others write.
      2. +19
        14 January 2023 06: 36
        And you do not confuse Stalin and Dzhugashvili?
        Some people don't like some pseudonyms so much that they can't even eat. And some pseudonyms in these same people do not cause absolutely no reaction.
        A mysterious situation, don't you think?
      3. +25
        14 January 2023 07: 27
        Quote: svp67
        And how did Girkin prove his competence after the surrender of Slavyansk

        If Girkin had not withdrawn the militias from Slavyansk in time, he would have been destroyed there ... no one had helped him there.
        Quote: svp67

        But don't touch Lapin, he's already hurt so well

        Yes, yes, he suffered so much that he went for a promotion ... and in the abandoned Kherson, dozens of people were shot by the Ukronazis ... how to deal with this.
        Everyone around is to blame but not him.
        It seems that the generals fought each on their own without mutual assistance to each other.
        Yes, I agree, in 10 years, details of the Kherson and Kharkov failure may surface ... it would be nice if new failures were not added to them, that's what I'm worried about ... I hope Lapin drew conclusions from these defeats.
        1. -17
          14 January 2023 09: 19
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          If Girkin had not withdrawn the militias from Slavyansk in time, he would have been destroyed there ... no one had helped him there.

          Of course, of course ... And how did he SUDDENLY have large stocks of weapons in Slavyansk? The same ATGMs, MANPADS. You didn't ask yourself a question. Had he not abandoned Slavyansk then, the "northern wind" would have blown from completely different positions and Donetsk would not have ended up in the tight "embrace" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          and in the abandoned Kherson, dozens of people were shot by the Ukronazis ... how to deal with this.

          And Kherson is also him.....???????? Hmm ... You have a mess in your head. You describe the fleet better.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          It seems that the generals fought each on their own without mutual assistance to each other.

          And not only generals, but some PMCs and proud "jigits" from the Russian Guard
          1. +10
            14 January 2023 10: 27
            Quote: svp67
            Had he not abandoned Slavyansk then, the "northern wind" would have blown from completely different positions and Donetsk would not have ended up in the tight "embrace" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

            Strelkov recently answered this in his telegram channel
            Please bring someone to the liar and moron Vlad Shurygin, who drank his last brains, that "the counteroffensive in the Marinovka-Stepanovka region, which created the first "Southern Cauldron", was carried out almost EXCLUSIVELY by the forces of the Slavic Brigade (with little distracting assistance from one Oplot company under the direct supervision Zakharchenko). under the leadership of "Master Yoda". Later, a battalion (two companies) of "Mole" was introduced into the battle (near Dibrovka / Dubrovka). Also, one tank from "Oplot" took part in the attack (it was hit and burned down, the crew died, the rest of the tanks - 30 pieces - they refused to go on the attack, citing unexpected "gun malfunctions"). An air defense crew ("Strela-20") was also located at the command post. NO ONE MORE in this attack and subsequent battles near Dubrovka (stretched e for a week) did not participate "from the word in general." And, yes, I personally planned the "counteroffensive near Marinovka-Stepanovka" and I - right on the spot - led it - from an impromptu field command post near Stepanovka. By the way, A. Borodai was also there at that moment ...

            That is (specially for Shurygin, who drank the last of his brain, I explain) - if the Slavic garrison had not left for Donetsk - there would be NO COUNTER-OFFENSIVE (or rather, the first serious successful attack of the DPR militia since the beginning of hostilities) would not have been in sight. There was simply no one to produce it.
            1. -8
              14 January 2023 11: 35
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Strelkov recently answered this in his telegram channel

              And if you read Manstein ... it's generally surprising how the Germans lost the war
        2. +9
          14 January 2023 11: 37
          The execution of people is a tragedy for people like you and me, but for the authorities and the army we are expendable material for achieving tasks. At least one case when in Rus' they took care of people and regretted bringing them? We were only told fairy tales about what conclusions were drawn from the wars of past years.
        3. +4
          14 January 2023 21: 47
          and in Kherson there is still an ammonia pipeline, which Antoshka Hutteresh loves very much, google it for those who are interested.
      4. +5
        14 January 2023 12: 53
        Nothing will be known in 10 years ..... The causes of the 1941 disaster are still classified
      5. +2
        14 January 2023 15: 01
        Quote: svp67
        this is an echo of the "graters" with Lapin, which even Surovikin was unable to resolve ...

        Here I completely agree with you. Exemplary army bureaucracy! Not a single step without a written order, without an approved plan! This is where we lose, in the speed of decision-making. Initiative is punishable ! Who doesn't know this? hi
      6. +6
        14 January 2023 18: 03
        Quote: svp67
        And how did Girkin prove his competence after the surrender of Slavyansk? Surrender the key city of the entire operation before the start of the "North Wind",,,,

        The key city was Donetsk, where a vertizhopay riff-raff was in power and didn’t do shit, waiting for someone to win. You somehow forgot to mention this.
      7. +1
        14 January 2023 22: 31
        Speak straight! What kind of wobble? Some kind of "graters" that neither Lapin nor Surovkin can do. Well, write about today's "heroes". Ten years from now, none of this will be necessary. The Chief of the General Staff is generally 68 years old. He may not know the whole truth. Although I think the military should be kept under the age of 50 in ANY positions, as people age and do not keep up with events.
        1. +3
          15 January 2023 21: 28
          Here's the truth - some kind of split consciousness among our people: when the retirement age was raised to 60-65 years, everyone was shouting that it was impossible to work up to this age, there was not enough health, physical, intellectual and moral strength .. And when we have a big part of the military-political leadership has crossed the threshold of retirement age, even taking into account its increase, and some for a long time, then for some reason the majority of Russians seriously believe that their ability to lead the country, the army has not diminished with age. There were so many jokes about the gerontocracy of the Brezhnev era, well, welcome to version 2.0!
    5. +18
      14 January 2023 07: 46
      Lech from Android. You have touched on an interesting topic.
      As for our generals...


      And, aren't there too many generals in the Russian Armed Forces?
      Found information:
      ... The official statistics of Russia do not keep an official count of generals and admirals. ... If we talk exclusively about the security forces, then at the beginning of 2020 there were 2 of them, including 205 in the Armed Forces, 1 in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 317 in the National Guard, 340 in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and 18 in other structures. .. Source: https://yakapitalist.ru/finansy/skolko-generalov-v-rossii

      Estimated - 1317 generals in the Russian Armed Forces per 1 million personnel.
      "... In the United States, the number of military commanders is documented in a report by the Congressional Research Department dated February 18, 2016. There are 896 generals and admirals in active service in the Armed Forces, with a declared army and navy of 1,4 million military personnel. ... China is ending the reform of the armed forces, launched in 2015, as a result of which the number of generals was significantly reduced - many representatives of the generals were dismissed, and senior officers were appointed to high posts. According to unpublished data, there are no more than 500 generals in the Chinese People's Liberation Army with corresponding ranks for 2,2 million active military.Source: https://yakapitalist.ru/finansy/skolko-generalov-v-rossii "
      1. -9
        14 January 2023 09: 31
        Quote: AA17
        If we talk exclusively about the security forces, then at the beginning of 2020 there were 2 of them, including 205 in the Armed Forces,
        That's exactly what SETTLEMENT, otherwise in the Russian army there are no more than 800 generals in the army
      2. +2
        14 January 2023 15: 06
        Quote: AA17
        According to unpublished data, there are no more than 500 generals left in the Chinese People's Liberation Army with corresponding rank positions for 2,2 million active military personnel.

        Learn on the go! good Maybe they are on this site? wink
      3. -1
        14 January 2023 16: 22
        Quote: AA17

        And, aren't there too many generals in the Russian Armed Forces?
        Found information:

        Quote: AA17
        450 - in other structures. ..

        Bike .. all the remaining structures have a significantly smaller number than the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so there will not be more generals than in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ..
    6. +31
      14 January 2023 09: 03
      There are actually two reasons: 1- power structures, like the army, have turned into a bridge where you can simply "feed" at public expense, and on the basis of a family-company organization - "strangers" are not needed there. 2- the same is true in terms of the military-industrial complex and the supply of the armed forces - these are just, first of all, "closed" feeding places for the "chosen ones" and "handshakes". Everything else is secondary. No one is going to change this existing structural organization; on the contrary, they are trying to strengthen it with others from "their own" and "shaking hands." Therefore, hope for drastic improvements ... well, that's ...
    7. +10
      14 January 2023 09: 15
      hmm, although there at the front they also voice a completely opposite opinion - the new major generals are afraid to report to the top and embellish reality, and when the situation reaches the top, actions are taken out of touch with reality. it is easier for him to go on the attack and disappear than to report reality and be filmed. That career took him 20 years...
      Maybe it's a learning process. the empire must fight constantly. first, those 5 boilers of half a million each happened, and then Stalingrad and Korsun-Shevchenkovskaya ... just like the Armed Forces of Ukraine have their own Debaltsevo Ilovaisk
      1. +9
        14 January 2023 12: 55
        During the Soviets, there was such a movie epic called liberation .... And my father fought in the fifth tank army of the captain ... He looked, spat and said do not believe anything
        1. +2
          14 January 2023 18: 48
          Quote: Rinat Khametov
          Under the Soviets, there was such a film epic called liberation ....

          Liberation is not a documentary but a feature film. The fact that a lot of it is shown unreliably does not detract from its importance as propaganda.
          Although, of course, "Only old men go to battle" or "In war as in war" films are much more detailed.
    8. +12
      14 January 2023 10: 40
      It will soon be a year, and the elevators still have not worked. Those that elevate new sensible people and replace old worthless ones, as it was in the Patriotic War.

      Why is that? Yes, because the old and useless do not bear any responsibility.
      1. -3
        14 January 2023 16: 32
        Quote: Stas157
        It will soon be a year, and the elevators still have not worked. Those that elevate new sensible people and replace old worthless ones, as it was in the Patriotic War.

        Hmmm ..... did I miss something? Who replaced Zhukov and Voroshilov???
        1. +3
          14 January 2023 17: 37
          Voroshilov was replaced by Timoshenko, Zhukov was replaced by Vasilevsky, Zhigarev was also replaced, if I'm not mistaken, by Novikov, but in any case they were also removed. Molotov, in conversations with Chuev, says that there was a disaster with competent personnel. Probably something similar now.
          1. -1
            15 January 2023 21: 59
            If he applies the circumstances of the change of these persons to today's times, then yes, then there was a disaster with the personnel .....
            Quote: Sergei Fonov
            Voroshilov was replaced by Timoshenko,
            when the people's commissariat was admitted, a shortage (!!!) of 320 tanks and 500 armored vehicles with a few kopecks was revealed.

            Quote: Sergei Fonov
            Zhukova - Vasilevsky
            under the strict guidance of the NGSH Zhukov, only near Minsk 200 total losses in 000 days
            Quote: Sergei Fonov
            Zhigarev was also replaced
            - in the fall of 1941, through his fault, the front received less than 702 (!!!) aircraft.
            Apply these sins to today's generals
            1. +1
              17 January 2023 11: 00
              Quote: your1970
              when the people's commissariat was admitted, a shortage (!!!) of 320 tanks and 500 armored vehicles with a few kopecks was revealed.

              More. 683 tanks, 780 tankettes and 382 BA disappeared into the air.
              However, against the background of the rest of the "order" in NCOs - nothing surprising.
              The People’s Commissariat does not have an accurately established actual strength of the Red Army at the time of admission.

              By the time of the acceptance and surrender of the People’s Commissariat of Defense, there was no operational war plan, operational plans, both general and private, were not developed and lacked.
              The General Staff has no data on the state of covering the borders. The decisions of the military councils of the districts, armies and the front on this issue are unknown to the General Staff.

              The People's Commissariat of Defense does not have a new mobilization plan.

              Most military units exist in temporary states not approved by the People's Commissar. Established and service personnel launched. About 1400 states and timesheets, according to which the troops live and are supplied, are not approved by anyone and published for the leadership as temporary.

              Quote: your1970
              under the strict guidance of the NGSH Zhukov, only near Minsk 200 total losses in 000 days

              Under the leadership of Pavlov. At the time when the ZOVO command made critical decisions that determined the future boiler, Zhukov understood KOVO.
              Here in KOVO - yes, Zhukov did not work well. It was impossible to leave Kirponos and Purkaev without control. And then the command of the Red Army in the first year of the war was distinguished by extreme initiative (and creative interpretation of orders), combined with a low level of knowledge. Simply put, orders from above were not carried out at best, and at worst, they were executed in such a way that it would be better not to do so.
    9. +5
      14 January 2023 11: 07
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Lapin, with all due respect to him, should be put down the opposite way until he proves his professionalism as a competent officer by deed.

      In fairness, I met other opinions. The breakthrough in Kharkov and Balakliya was not at all in Lapin's area of ​​responsibility. It was the area of ​​responsibility of the ZVO, Commander Berdnikov. It was not without reason that after that the chief of staff of General Lapin Teplinskiy became the commander-in-chief of the Airborne Forces. you can read Older Edda in telegram
    10. +4
      14 January 2023 11: 16
      "I agree with Strelkov in this regard."
      I have long been subscribed to the channel of Igor Ivanovich. Unfortunately, he is driven not by a desire to help our cause, but by personal resentment. And most of his texts are an expression of this resentment and judgments that greatly exceed the level of his competence. I left the channel, and I consider it not correct to quote his judgments about the generals ...
      Not to mention the laws of war!
    11. +6
      14 January 2023 11: 24
      "our generals ... some of them are real combat generals capable of defeating the enemy, some of the generals are parquet fit only for parades and exhibitions."
      they are all parquet sharks. in an army that did not fight, there cannot be combat generals, especially with such stars. they were all led to the existing ranks and positions by a happy accident, origin and mutual responsibility. hence the results. colonels and major generals unknown now will win this war, from the street laughing not these plywood marshals from the clip
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    13. +1
      14 January 2023 14: 20
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The NWO clearly showed the inner qualities of people ... now it is clearly visible who is a scoundrel and who is a real hero, who is able to fight, and who is mediocre in military affairs.

      Here are just those who determine the fate of the "manifested", as I understand it, do not want to change anything, at most - they shuffle the deck.
  2. +5
    14 January 2023 05: 03
    In no way do I want to shield officers and generals unknown to me, but it doesn’t fit in my head that these same mobilized unloaded ammunition and fuel at their own disposal. We apparently have another problem - there are a lot of those below who do not think about what they are doing. But they should be paid, and not the generals, unless they are fired!
    And generals are not kicked out as if because of a PR trap. Some kind of game happens, our "respectable partners" begin to write in their media that they say they will now kick out the next commander for this game. After that, our leadership is frightened by such a turn and does not expel or imprison the culprit, because otherwise the "partners" turn out to be right, and many other disappointing conclusions can follow from this ...
    1. +23
      14 January 2023 09: 25
      And the generals are not expelled
      Yeah, they are just then appointed to the post of inspector of the Office of Inspectors General of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, for example. Personal responsibility is needed and the inevitability of punishment for the guilty, and not the rearrangement of beds, you know where ...
      1. +2
        14 January 2023 16: 39
        Quote: not the one
        Personal responsibility is needed and the inevitability of punishment for the guilty, and not the rearrangement of beds, you know where ...

        And many generals were shot for the Crimea and Stalingrad with Rzhev ???
        Or was it easier for Stalin to rearrange the beds?
      2. +5
        14 January 2023 18: 40
        But who is arguing? Thieves should be imprisoned, incompetent ones should be fired. But for some unknown reason, among several hundred men, there was no master of sports who would ask the officers why they unloaded the BC into their own barracks. Still, 5 years in prison is better than an eternity in a graveyard. The problem is not only in stupid orders, but also that they are then carried out from top to bottom.
        1. +4
          14 January 2023 22: 37
          They were ordered from above to settle down in this place, they settled down. The bosses know better. Did they know the area, because it all started right away. Where there are bunkers for weapons and so on, no one knew. Served in aviation. Aircraft separately, soldiers separately, bombs a kilometer from the places of the barracks and aircraft parking. This was done from the very beginning, as soon as the airfield was realized there. I have served there since the mid 60s. Everyone knew what to do and so on. Three times in the formation they drove it into everyone's head.
    2. +4
      15 January 2023 03: 43
      but it doesn’t fit in my head that these same mobilized people unloaded BC and fuel at their own disposal.


      Do you think they made this decision themselves? There was definitely an order, exactly the same order as to be located in this building. They could not follow orders.

      It is necessary to ask the one who gave such an order.
  3. +7
    14 January 2023 05: 11
    First of all, it should be noted that the tragedy in Makiivka is not an accident - it is a pattern and the result of the incompetence of the military command.

    Such an imperceptible transfer of arrows to the command of the RF Armed Forces.

    And who, if not the command of the NM and the 1st Army Corps of the DPR, as well as the local self-government of Makeevka, deployed the 1444 SME attached to the corps? If you blame someone, then name specific names. Or it was Surovikin who personally ordered to place the regiment in a vocational school, and experienced Donetsk soldiers who did not place more than 50 people in one building did not advise against doing so.

    What about this phrase?

    Why? Because there are usually no more than fifty or sixty people there at a time, and they are distributed over several buildings. It is not particularly advisable to spend several rockets in order to hook everyone guaranteed.

    Is spending several MLRS missiles per company impractical for the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
  4. +7
    14 January 2023 05: 19
    "...... 2. Reconnaissance, including outdated reconnaissance equipment and the very approaches to organizing reconnaissance activities. Lack of satellite vision, AWACS aircraft.

    3. Lack of UAVs of all types, but especially small, company-tactical types .... "
    There are no such UAVs of their own, in fact, the Ukrainians do not have them, but the same Poles bought 60 thousand square meters from China. Almost everything is on point.
    about the UAV problem
    https://ok.ru/video/4303807318656
    1. +4
      14 January 2023 05: 21
      And here is a video from ukrov

      https://ok.ru/video/4303738243712

      That's where our CD should fly.
    2. +6
      14 January 2023 18: 09
      Quote: 28st region
      Lack of UAVs of all types, but especially small, company-tactical types .... "
      There are no such UAVs of their own, in fact, the Ukrainians do not have them, but the same Poles bought 60 thousand square meters from China. Almost everything is on point.
      about the UAV problem

      And our valiant hands of the drivers did not bother with this even after six months of hostilities. Although the people with a progressive cry shouted that drones were needed. The system is rotten to the core.
  5. +7
    14 January 2023 05: 40
    The article is correct. And here you need to understand that the author was never able to reveal. It is not the generals and commanders who are to blame for the fact that there are no goals and, most importantly, the ideological component of the war. Option one is a deep reform of the Ministry of Defense at all levels. .The system needs to be reformed. The question is who will go for it and who will carry out the reform.
  6. +12
    14 January 2023 05: 51
    There are two ways to raise the morale of the army (which, frankly, is at a fairly low level) in two ways - firstly, by defining the goals and objectives of the NVO, the idea of ​​​​this military conflict, and secondly, by starting to punish incompetent generals and updating the system as a whole.

    laughing
    Wow, what thoughts appeared in the minds of the people, less than a year has passed ...
    "Goals and objectives", and "updating the system as a whole" ....

    Firstly, so much has been said about goals and objectives by so many that it is not clear to me personally, how else is it incomprehensible to someone? Solovyov and Krasovsky, for example, spoke quite clearly. Although Surkov is most liked, he is "in the know" from the very beginning and writes clearly.

    Secondly, we will definitely read about the "update as a whole" (the genre "speech in front of an audience / Big Press conference" probably will not be, in 2022 it was not ... "but this is not certain" request ) program articles in newspapers authored by the President of the Russian Federation before the elections of 2024, 2030 and - if Valentina Tereshkova has good health - then in 2036.
    And remember, as our President said a long time ago: "There is no time for buildup!".
    By the way, we still need to catch up with Portugal. "In December 1999, a theoretical article by the then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, "Russia at the Turn of the Millennium", was published, and it contained the following remarks: it is necessary to ensure the overcoming of the protracted crisis, to create preconditions for the rapid and sustainable economic and social development of the country. "I emphasize that it is fast, since the deadlines for the buildup of the country have not been released, - then Vladimir Putin pointed out and continued: — Here are the calculations of experts. In order to achieve per capita GDP production at the level of modern Portugal and Spain - countries that are not among the leaders of the world economy, we will need about 15 years with a GDP growth rate of at least 8% per year. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/527620
    At the moment (there is only 2021, but it’s better not to watch 2022 when it appears in the IMF reports), according to the IMF, Portugal is still ahead, but by 2036 I hope we will catch up!
    1. +1
      14 January 2023 06: 11
      Firstly, so much has been said about goals and objectives by so many that it is not clear to me personally, how else is it incomprehensible to someone?


      Well, yes, there is no specifics, as well as logic, some streamlined phrases.
      News from 13.01.23

      The Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations (UN), Vasily Nebenzya, said that Russia is ready for a scenario that will allow the goal of the special operation in Ukraine to be achieved peacefully. His words are quoted by RIA Novosti.

      During a speech at a meeting of the UN Security Council, the diplomat noted that it would be possible to end the NWO only when the threat to Russia ceases to emanate from the territory of Ukraine and discrimination against the Russian-speaking population of the country ceases.


    2. +8
      14 January 2023 08: 57
      So they caught up with Portugal, our bridge is 500m longer
  7. -24
    14 January 2023 05: 54
    - Igor Strelkov, FSB colonel in reserve, commented on this appointment.


    there is no Strelkov, but there is Girkin, who, after his voyage to the NWO, finally turned into a clown. Everything is like in the immortal lines of a song about an instant where immortality is for Zakharchenko, Givi, Motorola, Mozgovoy, Korsa, etc. and shame for Girkin.
    And it’s unnecessary to tell here what they say he raised the Russian Spring in Ukraine. The main thing is not to raise, but most importantly to keep during the years of fighting.

    As for the key problems of the Russian army, they all stem from the fact that this same army stopped falling apart only with the advent of Shoigu at the end of 2012, and developed and rearmed like this just after 2014. That same 2014 in which the share of modern non-nuclear weapons in the Russian army did not exceeded 15%.
    This means that 85% of our weapons were obsolete, often completely out of order, rubbish that was not even able to reach even those same exercises.

    There are two ways to raise the morale of the army (which, frankly, is at a fairly low level) - firstly, by outlining the goals and objectives of the NWO, the idea of ​​​​this military conflict


    the goals and objectives of the NWO were designated by the President on the first day of the NWO, namely, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, its neutral status. What is incomprehensible?

    We see how ordinary soldiers of the RF Armed Forces are given quite serious terms for insulting and disobeying officers, but we do not see how officers and generals themselves are punished.


    he was punished with a serious term not for insulting and disobedience, but for beating an officer. Moreover, this was all filmed on camera. Officers and generals are also punished, which is expressed in transfer to another position and place of service, and in order to disrupt shoulder straps, an epic failure is needed.
    An epic failure is when you have more people and weapons, but you lost, and when you have a lack of people and you lost, then there’s nothing to tear off shoulder straps.

    “Someone quite specific, some Russian military, considered it acceptable in the 11th month of the war, after several months of missile attacks on artillery depots and dispositions, which had already entailed many casualties and shell hunger, to drive the mobilized into a heap, to impose them ammunition, furnish with equipment, make an ideal target,


    the problem is not in this, but in the fact that in the LDNR the work to eliminate the Bandera underground of the SBU, the "waiters" and spotters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was completely failed. save.
    And he also has the audacity to criticize Russia. It is known for certain that the location and coordinates of the Russian mobilized were leaked to the APU by local "peaceful" citizens of the republics.
    1. +25
      14 January 2023 06: 18
      he was punished with a serious term not for insult and disobedience, but for beating an officer

      Yeah, the beating, the second episode of the paper cup.
      1. 0
        14 January 2023 16: 58
        Quote: Konnick
        he was punished with a serious term not for insult and disobedience, but for beating an officer

        Yeah, the beating, the second episode of the paper cup.

        A similar situation of claims against the regiment commander, colonel - the period of the Second World War - how would it end for the private?
        Would you give me an order? Medal? An honorary degree?
        Me from what it seems that after two days of an ordinary, the wolves in the ravine would have eaten up - after the tribunal ...
        And this is the main difference between NWO and war ...
        Because it was impossible to appeal the decision of the tribunal ...
    2. +7
      14 January 2023 11: 42
      "which is expressed in the transfer to another position and place of service, and in order to rip off shoulder straps, an epic failure is needed."
      that is, there were no epic failures in Ukraine? you carefully count the number of people, guns and planes, maybe there, according to your methods of counting, there are only epic victories, but we don’t even know ..
      and for some reason they are transferred not to Chukotka or Kamchatka, to the post of regiment commander, but to the same Arbat military district, this hotbed of Macedonian and Bonapartes
    3. +4
      14 January 2023 18: 16
      Quote: lopvlad
      the problem is not in this, but in the fact that in the LDNR the work to eliminate the Bandera underground of the SBU, the "waiters" and spotters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has completely failed.

      Remind me how. This is not the same LDNR that was stuffed into Ukraine by the Minsk agreements for 8 years? And what about our intelligence and other special services that allowed the Crimean bridge to be blown up? So whose cow would moo. I am still silent about the epic failure of the parade march on Kyiv. For which it was necessary to remove all those involved and shoot the hell out of it.
    4. +1
      17 January 2023 11: 10
      Quote: lopvlad
      As for the key problems of the Russian army, they all stem from the fact that this same army stopped falling apart only with the arrival of Shoigu at the end of 2012, and developed and rearmed like this just after 2014.

      I recommend that you look at when and by whom the contracts for the supply of everything that our army rearmed in 2014 and beyond were signed.
      For example, under what contract were the Su-34s surrendered in May 2020. wink
      I’m not talking about the T-72B3, which pulled our armored vehicles out of the twenty-year pit of mass operation of tanks manufactured in the USSR without overhaul and replacement.
  8. +17
    14 January 2023 05: 59
    Just as the Great Patriotic War was a summary of the State that the communists and their supporters created in less than 20 years, so the NWO enemies of the USSR who captured the RSFSR became a summary of the State that they created in 30 years. And you can’t change everything in one place - gather there honest, smart, good professionals at work, people with a sense of responsibility, and leave everything else as it was.
    1. +3
      14 January 2023 11: 46
      "And you can't change everything in one place - gather it there And you can't change everything in one place - gather there honest, smart, good professionals at work, people with a sense of responsibility, and leave everything else as before, and leave everything else as before "
      unfortunately, "honest, smart, good professionals at work, people with a sense of responsibility" are now not enough for any one place taken separately
    2. -1
      14 January 2023 17: 09
      Quote: tatra
      How the Great Patriotic War was a summary of the State that the communists and their supporters created in less than 20 years,

      Moreover, they didn’t even bother to count the losses - with an accuracy of at least a million. Such a summary is normal ....
  9. +15
    14 January 2023 06: 08
    According to the Balakley situation. Equipment and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine begin to accumulate in Kharkov, Chuguev and other settlements. All this is the zone of responsibility of the Western Military District, Berdnikov is in command from Belgorod, a month after he accepted the post. Next comes the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the command post of the 11th Corps, control is lost, the defense of the mobilized and terribly equipped from the LPR and DPR + SOBR + a small number of forces of the RF Armed Forces, there are very few of them. Next comes the cutting blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Shevchenkove, with a further threat to Kupyansk, this is still the responsibility of the ZVO.
    The General Staff demands that Lapin withdraw his forces from near Seversk and go to the aid along the Starobelsk-Svatovo-Kupyansk highway (there are a lot of videos with this transfer). The withdrawal of our 20A from Izyum also begins. Then Lapin takes command, urgently builds a new line of defense with his special forces brigades of the Central Military District and units of the Western Military District. He starts to buy time, orders rearguard battles, disrupts the ambitious plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Then Lapin keeps the defense, yes, gradually leaves Liman in exchange for time. How else? Mobilization has just been announced, there is nowhere to take people from. After that, politics began.
    1. +6
      14 January 2023 06: 39
      Next comes the attack of the APU on the CP 11 of the corps, control is lost

      Like the textbook...
      The headquarters and communication centers have always been the primary targets.
      1. +6
        14 January 2023 09: 03
        By the way, in Liman there were five hundred snow leopards and Lugansk mobiks against at least several thousand sun buggers. Liman was kept to gain time, to build defenses along the Kremennaya-Svatovo highway. They kept Liman Bars-13 and Bars-16. The Armed Forces of Ukraine then made a mistake when, instead of developing an offensive on Svatovo through Redkodub to Izyumskoye and further assault and capture of Svatovo (our barriers there were slightly better than under Balakleya, that is, very rare), they turned to Liman, lost pace and time. During this time, 20A managed to build a defensive line and even pull the Barsikov out of Liman.
    2. +8
      14 January 2023 11: 55
      "According to the Balakley situation ...."
      the only thing our authorities have learned in 30 years is to explain any situation they put us in. and they have grown skillful helpers during this time, everything, as if put on the shelves. one thing is not clear to me: what is the role of the military in this grandiose, I'm not afraid of this word, operation?
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    3. +5
      14 January 2023 18: 52
      Drop dead stories about regroupings from a couple of military correspondents. The command post of the corps, which commanded almost no one, the forces near Seversk, which had not advanced anywhere since the end of June and did not really fight. Vsushniks cross a wide reservoir, but stop at a small river exactly on the border of the regions. Departure from the north of the Kharkiv region simply because. Forgotten in Balakliya, the National Guard, who were forgotten to be told that an armada is approaching there and we have to tick. Volunteers forgotten in Liman, who also forgot to say that they are afraid and retreat. Most importantly, no one saw any hordes of Ukrainian tanks and marching columns near Balakleya. There, everything began with politics, and not with some sudden accumulation of forces that no one saw.
  10. +14
    14 January 2023 06: 34
    All this is wonderful BUT it was needed the day before yesterday, now we are quietly being given temporary, financial, military limits, and these limits are getting tighter. Already 5-6 countries will begin to supply tanks, aviation is just around the corner, there is no time to build up everything now, the year of the war, and problems have only recently begun to be voiced normally, there is nothing to say about the decision yet
  11. -7
    14 January 2023 06: 40
    Well, if the author refers to Strelkov, then you can not read further. In addition, any hierarchical system sins like this. I agree with one thing, mistakes should be publicly acknowledged and punished. As for the tragedy in Makiivka, everyone and those who placed and mobilized are guilty there. The article is narrowly focused. Why is the fact of the low morale of the mobilized not understood?
    1. +11
      14 January 2023 06: 51
      and mobilized


      And what is the fault of the mobilized?
      1. Eug
        +16
        14 January 2023 08: 04
        I can say one thing - being at a checkpoint at night in winter, a RG fighter LISTENS TO MUSIC IN HEADPHONES (he himself said this in a conversation). Not the noise of an ATV engine of a potential enemy DRG, not the creaking of snow underfoot (in winter you can hear it for 200 meters at night, especially outside the NP), but MUSIC! And then he is surprised that the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at them from a rifle ...
        1. -1
          16 January 2023 08: 02
          So in any case, this is primarily the fault of the commander, who did not clearly explain what this is fraught with, and who allowed this, did not watch it.

          And then there are people who, yes, it is useless to explain. But there is nothing to do in the army like that. And for some reason, we have a universal appeal. Are you age appropriate? For health? Forward to the army! And nobody looks at the mentality. Only if it’s really a problem with the psyche, they will write it off.
    2. +2
      14 January 2023 12: 03
      "Why is the fact of the low morale of the mobilized not understood?"
      and who are the mobilized? there is no such kind of troops in the armed forces of the Russian Federation. he was mobilized in a short moment between receiving the summons and being sent to any unit, even a training center. and after that he is an ordinary soldier of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, with all the rights and obligations
  12. +7
    14 January 2023 06: 42
    Now many Western and our media are reporting that changes in the leadership of the NWO mean an imminent offensive. Like it or not, but some anxiety creeps in - will all these newly appointed to lead the operation, who have reached the level of their own incompetence (Surovikin is an exception here, since he seems to have proved his competence), commanders competently command? Especially in conditions when they are sure that they will not suffer any punishment for miscalculations. Why it was impossible to leave Surovikin at the head of the SVO, who demonstrated his competence. It seems to me that these reshuffles will not help to strengthen the morale of the military on the fronts.
    1. +2
      14 January 2023 12: 10
      "Why it was impossible to leave Surovikin at the head of the SVO, who demonstrated his competence"
      you misunderstood the point of the article. according to her, a person who has reached any position in the profession, and does not grow further, is incompetent. Surovikin has room to grow, up to the Minister of Defense - he is competent, and not because he supposedly has some kind of merit. Shoigu has nowhere to grow - he is incompetent, just like the president
  13. +19
    14 January 2023 06: 52
    Everything seems to be correct, but again the same rake. It is impossible to separate the army from industry, officials, courts, etc. Until we rebuild the entire system in the country, nothing happens. Corruption and stupidity in the government will not make it possible to do anything. For example, the Gurulev Defense Committee in GD says that this is not enough. But why didn’t you raise this issue before, it’s your duty, and in covid all these Golikovs, etc.
  14. +16
    14 January 2023 06: 54
    Admitting mistakes, punishing the guilty, removing the incompetent - this is what should be done first.
    The proposal is interesting, only the question is - in the Russian Federation, for jambs in the field of management, economy, weapons, reforms in the army, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who was severely punished? There were times when they answered for mistakes, oh, how severely, even with their own heads ... the text of the order No. 057 dated September 14, 1941, preserved in the archives for the troops of the North-Western Front (the document was written personally by L. 3. Mekhlis): "For the cowardice shown and personal departure from the battlefield to the rear, for violation of military discipline, expressed in the direct failure to comply with the order of the front to come to the aid of units advancing from the west, for not taking measures to save the material part of the artillery, for the loss of military appearance and two days of drunkenness in period of fighting," the head of artillery of the 34th Army, Goncharov, on the basis of the order of the People's Commissar of Defense No. 270, was shot publicly in front of the army headquarters commanders. But times have changed, the main thing has changed the country, the system, "democratic values" have appeared, for simple nepotism and theft, they don't abandon their own, there are no performers like Mehlis who took responsibility for such actions. As there is no personality of the level of Comrade. Stalin, hence all the marking time, omissions, incomprehensible rearrangements, the whole mess that is happening at the moment. You shouldn't be surprised at what's going on. This has already happened in the history of Russia, during the Russo-Japanese War of 1905. Have anyone been punished for the defeat of the army and navy? Kuropatkin, for example, or one of the Grand Dukes responsible for the fleet? Everything repeats itself, sadly. History does not teach anything, all the more the history of one's own country.
    1. +2
      14 January 2023 12: 59
      For the sake of justice, General A. Stessel, the commandant of Port Arthur, was sentenced to death, but ... a year later he was completely pardoned by Nicholas II.
      1. +5
        14 January 2023 13: 12
        Well, we all remember what the great martyr Nikolai Romanov eventually led to by his personnel policy (not only personnel, of course, but including her).
      2. +3
        14 January 2023 20: 36
        Quote: Edward Vashchenko
        For the sake of justice, General A. Stessel, the commandant of Port Arthur, was sentenced to death, but ... a year later he was completely pardoned by Nicholas II.

        Nebogatov too. In general, comparing the RYAV and NVO now, somehow I no longer want to consider the tsarist generals deb and lam. As well as stigmatize the rotten tsarist regime for providing troops. The rotten tsarist regime managed to revive two fleets after Tsushima in 10 years
    2. +4
      14 January 2023 13: 16
      Quote: Unknown
      there are no performers like Mehlis who took responsibility for such actions

      Mehlis in Sevastopol ordered so .... You don’t need to shoot a lot of mind
      1. -1
        14 January 2023 17: 37
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Mehlis in Sevastopol ordered so .... You don’t need to shoot a lot of mind
        It is necessary to study that time, and the people who lived at that time, and not collect various fables, anecdotes and memories of those who themselves were not, did not participate, ... but from the words of the same, they know for sure, etc. Mehlis - he did not command in Sevastopol, he did not command the fronts at all. He was a representative of the headquarters and a member of the Armed Forces of the fronts.
        1. +3
          14 January 2023 19: 54
          Quote: Unknown
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Mehlis in Sevastopol ordered so .... You don’t need to shoot a lot of mind
          It is necessary to study that time, and the people who lived at that time, and not collect various fables, anecdotes and memories of those who themselves were not, did not participate, ... but from the words of the same, they know for sure, etc. Mehlis - he did not command in Sevastopol, he did not command the fronts at all. He was a representative of the headquarters and a member of the Armed Forces of the fronts.

          True. But he interfered in military affairs. No wonder Stalin sent a telegram:
          “Crimean Front, Comrade Mehlis:
          I received your cipher No. 254. You hold on to the strange position of an outside observer who is not responsible for the affairs of the Crimean Front. This position is very convenient, but it is rotten through and through. On the Crimean front, you are not an outside observer, but a responsible representative of the Headquarters, responsible for all the successes and failures of the front and obliged to correct the mistakes of the command on the spot. You, together with the command, are responsible for the fact that the left flank of the front turned out to be extremely weak. If “the whole situation showed that the enemy would attack in the morning,” and you (as in the text) did not take all measures to organize a rebuff, limiting yourself to passive criticism, then so much the worse for you. So, you still have not understood that you were sent to the Crimean Front not as the State Control, but as a responsible representative of the Headquarters. You are demanding that we replace Kozlov with someone like Hindenburg. But you must know that we do not have Hindenburgs in reserve. Your affairs in the Crimea are not difficult, and you could handle them yourself. If you used attack aircraft not for side affairs, but against enemy tanks and manpower, the enemy would not break through the front and the tanks would not pass. You don't have to be a Hindenburg to understand this simple thing while sitting on the Crimean Front for 2 months. Nr 1281/sh."
          Wherever he came, everywhere he changed from a dozen commanders at once and put his people in their place. His trips were regularly accompanied by conflicts, and then devastating reports to Headquarters.
          1. 0
            18 January 2023 10: 51
            Quote: Pilat2009
            True. But he interfered in military affairs.

            Actually, in the telegram, Stalin reproaches Mekhlis precisely because this Mekhlis does not interfere in military affairs, and instead only reports omissions to Moscow.
            you hold on strange position of an outside observerwho is not responsible for the affairs of the Crimean Front.

            If "the whole situation showed that in the morning the enemy would attack", and you (as in the text) did not take all measures to organize a rebuff, limiting yourself to passive criticismso much the worse for you. So, you still have not understood that you were sent to the Crimean Front not as the State Control, but as a responsible representative of the Headquarters.

            Quote: Pilat2009
            Wherever he came, everywhere he changed from a dozen commanders at once and put his people in their place. His trips were regularly accompanied by conflicts, and then devastating reports to Headquarters.

            So what else did you want from the People's Commissar of State Control of the USSR? wink
            What should a representative of the Stavka do when he arrives at the troops and finds the following there:
            Arrived in Kerch 20.01.42/XNUMX/XNUMX. They found the most unsightly picture of the organization of command and control of the troops ... Komfront Kozlov does not know the position of the units at the front, their condition, as well as the enemy’s groupings. Not a single division has data on the number of people, the presence of artillery and mortars. Kozlov leaves the impression of a bewildered and unsure commander. None of the leading workers of the front since the occupation of the Kerch Peninsula in the troops ...

            Who knows, remove Mekhlis Kozlov in January or after the failed February offensive - maybe they would have been able to fight back in the summer. But alas - We don't have Hindenburgs, and there was no one to change Kozlov.
            And I still don’t remember the SPV - the notorious division commander Vinogradov, who destroyed his division with his own hands.
        2. +2
          14 January 2023 20: 17
          Quote: Unknown
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Mehlis in Sevastopol ordered so .... You don’t need to shoot a lot of mind
          It is necessary to study that time, and the people who lived at that time, and not collect various fables, anecdotes and memories of those who themselves were not, did not participate, ... but from the words of the same, they know for sure, etc. Mehlis - he did not command in Sevastopol, he did not command the fronts at all. He was a representative of the headquarters and a member of the Armed Forces of the fronts.

          In February 1942, the Crimean Front tried to break through the German defenses. In the combat formations of the troops was the war correspondent of the "Red Star" Konstantin Simonov. He recalled: “The blizzard, along with the rain, made everything incredibly unbearable, everything literally stood up, the tanks did not go, and the density of troops driven by Mekhlis, who led this offensive, replacing the de facto front commander of the weak-willed General Kozlov, was monstrous. Everything was pushed close to the front line, and every German shell, every mine, every bomb, exploding, inflicted enormous losses on us ... In a kilometer - two - three - five - seven kilometers from the front line everything was in corpses ... In a word, it was a picture of mediocre military leadership and complete, monstrous disorder. Plus, this is a complete disregard for people, a complete lack of concern for preserving manpower, for saving people from unnecessary losses ... ". The Soviet troops were not successful, they suffered heavy losses, they had to go on the defensive.
          1. 0
            18 January 2023 11: 21
            It is strange, but according to modern data, Mekhlis, despite all the demands of Moscow, constantly delayed the timing of the offensive, waiting for the supply of ammunition.
            February 20, 1942 G.M. Malenkov in negotiations with L.Z. Mekhlis directly asked: “Comrade. Stalin asks when will you be ready to carry out the task? L.Z. Mehlis, in response, pointed to the incomplete concentration of artillery: "Three SPM regiments arrived, but without ammunition and without limbers, I believe that they can be in 3-4 days." Also, the representative of the Headquarters noted great difficulties with the delivery of food to the troops. Accordingly, Mekhlis designated the new deadline for the readiness of the front for the offensive as February 25.
            © "Battle for Crimea 1941–1944"
            And the problems in the February offensive were far from being due to Mehlis.
            Battalion commander of the 633rd joint venture Art. Lieutenant Gorbulin reported on the occupation of height 66,3. As later stated in the message of the special department of the NKVD of the Crimean Front: "The offensive was suspended, the division was informed about the occupation of height 66,3." The report about the capture of height 66,3 really took place and reached the headquarters of the front. The 157th Rifle Division was even given the task of assisting the encirclement of Koi-Asan with a strike from the south.
            Due to an erroneous report, as noted by the NKVD OO, the artillery supporting the 157th SD, "being misled about the occupation of height 66,3 […] ceased fire." According to the battle plan, the artillery of the 157th Rifle Division began to change firing positions. In the absence of artillery support, even with a good first strike, the hopes for success were illusory. Attempts by the T-26 tanks of the 44th Army to return and drag the infantrymen with them were unsuccessful.

            And in those places where our offensive developed successfully, the traditional problem for the Red Army-42 followed: complete unpreparedness to repel enemy counterattacks. The units that occupied German positions were not fixed on them, artillery support was not organized, and the occupied positions were not strengthened by reserves. As a result, the units battered in the attacks were driven out by the Germans from the occupied lines and retreated to their original positions, often with heavy losses.
        3. +3
          14 January 2023 20: 31
          Quote: Unknown
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Mehlis in Sevastopol ordered so .... You don’t need to shoot a lot of mind
          It is necessary to study that time, and the people who lived at that time, and not collect various fables, anecdotes and memories of those who themselves were not, did not participate, ... but from the words of the same, they know for sure, etc. Mehlis - he did not command in Sevastopol, he did not command the fronts at all. He was a representative of the headquarters and a member of the Armed Forces of the fronts.

          Despite protests from Commander Kozlov, Mekhlis forbade digging trenches, and this was done in order "not to undermine the offensive spirit of the soldiers." He also stated that "anyone who prefers a comfortable position 100 meters from the enemy to an uncomfortable position 30 meters from the enemy" will be considered an alarmist. And all this took place in a bare, partially swampy steppe, almost completely devoid of trees. Going into a sharp conflict with the personal representative of Stalin and the Headquarters, Kozlov, of course, was afraid.
          1. 0
            18 January 2023 11: 04
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Despite protests from Commander Kozlov, Mekhlis forbade digging trenches, and this was done in order "not to undermine the offensive spirit of the soldiers"

            Well, yes, a familiar tactic - blame everything on the political leadership. Well, you can’t write about the fact that the fighters and commanders themselves scored on the execution of the order on engineering equipment for positions.
            The state of defense of the 63rd State Security Service was not brilliant. Inspection carried out in the division for performance Order No. 143 on strengthening the equipment of positions a few days before the German offensive (the report is dated May 7), showed: “the trenches and communication passages were made very narrow and small in places”, parapets were not decorated, only some soldiers had primitive loopholes
            © Isaev
            It is much easier to blame Mehlis for everything, blaming him, in particular, for your sins.
            ... later Colonel S.I. Chernyak in G.M. Malenkov wrote in November 1942: “I gave an order in the area where the division was located to prepare a defensive line and bury all the troops in the ground, to have a preparatory line in the depths.” However, as Chernyak describes the situation, he saw the fighters engaged in earthworks D.T. Kozlov inflicted a dressing and ordered "to give people a rest and prepare them for the offensive."
  15. +11
    14 January 2023 07: 02
    Thanks author. At least a little fresh breeze blows. Very relevant.
  16. +11
    14 January 2023 07: 43
    The author is one hundred percent right. This article, yes, on the table to the commander-in-chief.
  17. Eug
    +9
    14 January 2023 07: 56
    The fact is that from a peacetime army to a belligerent army there is a huge distance, the criteria for selecting command and command personnel in peacetime and wartime are fundamentally different. Very cool, as for me, this problem is considered in the book by Yu.I. Mukhin "If it were not for the generals." The Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to overcome this problem, albeit with the help of Western advisers, but still ...
  18. +1
    14 January 2023 08: 00
    starting to punish incompetent generals
    Appoint ambassadors to island states. smile
    1. +1
      14 January 2023 20: 39
      Quote: parusnik
      starting to punish incompetent generals
      Appoint ambassadors to island states. smile

      Send not a pension
  19. +14
    14 January 2023 08: 00
    Quote: YOUR
    The opinion is not only mine, but also that of the majority, the general can receive such a high award only for a carefully planned and conducted operation.

    What is heroic about this? This is his direct duty and he receives a salary for this.
  20. +5
    14 January 2023 08: 30
    "that the root of all the problems of the SVO at the moment can be called two reasons - incompetence and impunity."
    There is a saying: "The black sheep spoils the whole flock." So, when the "black sheep" is removed, then the environment will change. Well, it's all useless. We will only state the facts and wash ourselves with blood.
    1. +5
      14 January 2023 08: 34
      Who will we appoint as the black sheep?
      1. +4
        14 January 2023 08: 48
        "Who shall we appoint as the black sheep?"
        Ignorant! I say: "Even though the stake on the head scratches, it will not reach!" Now for another 8 years they will look for the "gateway".
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  22. +5
    14 January 2023 08: 34
    The fact that Ivan Konev's troops were defeated near Vyazma in October 1941 angered Joseph Stalin very much. At least, that's what Georgy Zhukov claimed, urgently recalled from Leningrad in order to save the situation. Zhukov told the writer Konstantin Simonov how Stalin, without even mentioning Budyonny, from whom it was "already impossible to ask," scolded Eremenko and Konev. Especially the last one. The leader intended to give Ivan Konev to the tribunal. In this case, the commander, most likely, would have expected execution.

    However, Georgy Zhukov stood up for Ivan Stepanovich.
    1. +10
      14 January 2023 08: 53
      "Georgy Zhukov stood up for Ivan Stepanovich."
      Your example is not relevant. If you are such a connoisseur of history, give an example of when and who argued with Putin? He never even participated in presidential debates.
      1. -1
        14 January 2023 13: 51
        Yesterday Manturov argued with Putin. And to the question of who stood up for Lapin, I unfortunately do not know the answer. Most likely Shoigu.
        1. +6
          14 January 2023 18: 29
          Is this the Manturov who "Quarter and can be done"? This is not even a dispute, but fucking a person accustomed to absolute impunity.
    2. +2
      14 January 2023 12: 20
      "Zhukov told the writer Konstantin Simonov"
      Zhukov is a bird talker, differs only in talkativeness, like the president. is not responsible for his words
      "However, Georgy Zhukov stood up for Ivan Stepanovich"
      for this, his horse with a stick retreated at a meeting of veterans, or for something else?
      1. +2
        14 January 2023 13: 53
        Zhukov was not only talkative. The Germans will not let you lie.
    3. 0
      18 January 2023 11: 49
      Quote: malyvalv
      However, Georgy Zhukov stood up for Ivan Stepanovich.

      Yeah ... for which Ivan Stepanovich in 1957 put his signature under an article in Pravda with devastating criticism of the arrogant comrade Zhukov, who underestimated the role of the Party.
      The plenum of the Central Committee revealed serious shortcomings in party political work in the army and navy. The upbringing of a conscientious, disciplined soldier who deeply understands his military duty was often replaced only by administrative measures, which contradicts the very nature of our army as the army of a socialist state.

      Responsibility for these shortcomings lies with the former Minister of Defense of the USSR Marshal G.K. Zhukov, whose line and practical activities contradicted the line of the party, the Leninist principles of building the Soviet Armed Forces.

      Tov. Zhukov, as a military and statesman, incorrectly, not in a party way, led such a complex organism as the modern Armed Forces of the Soviet state, grossly violated the Leninist principles of leadership of the Armed Forces. His leadership style was actually aimed at curtailing the work of party organizations, political agencies and military councils.

      Instead of relying on party organizations to mobilize the personnel of the army and navy for the fastest possible fulfillment of tasks for further improving their combat skills, for strengthening military discipline and order in every possible way, Comrade Zhukov, by his wrong actions, reduced the party organizations to the status of purely educational bodies. As a result, the activity of party organizations and their amateur work were downplayed.

      As Minister of Defense, Comrade Zhukov led a line to curtail the work of party organizations, political agencies and Military Councils, to eliminate leadership and control over the Army and Navy by the parties, its Central Committee and Government. The Central Committee revealed this dangerous trend in good time and took decisive measures to eliminate it.

      The Party and the Soviet people highly appreciate the merits of people who, through their honest work or military exploits, magnify the glory of our Motherland. But if these people, not understanding the nature of the Soviet social and state system, begin to become arrogant and underestimate the leading role of the party, then, despite any merits in the past, the people deprive them of their respect and trust.

      By the way, Gorshkov did exactly the same with Kuznetsov (whom Kuznetsov saved in 1938 after Gorshkov lost the EM "Resolute" - the first and only new EM Pacific Fleet). In short, no good deed goes unpunished.
  23. +20
    14 January 2023 08: 34
    What Shoigu personally remembered for me: the construction of temples in the Armed Forces, tank biathlon and recreation for Putin ... Shoigu's generals are valued for their loyalty, there are no people in the army capable of having a personal opinion! In principle, it shouldn’t be if the state managed to build the institution of a normal army ... The Soviet army was destroyed, and the front Russian army was created in its place ... I’m very afraid that the Strategic Missile Forces, in which I myself served for some time under Tolubko. Judging by their current status, one should not hope for a good condition ((
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  25. -4
    14 January 2023 08: 45
    There is an excellent way out of this situation - to give real terms for discrediting the army.
    Seriously, the situation now completely depends on the human qualities of only one person, our permanent leader.
  26. +9
    14 January 2023 08: 50
    Quote from alexoff
    Who among our generals is a real hero capable of fighting?

    from lampasnikov - none ....
  27. +1
    14 January 2023 08: 53
    Quote: steel maker
    "that the root of all the problems of the SVO at the moment can be called two reasons - incompetence and impunity."
    There is a saying: "The black sheep spoils the whole flock." So, when the "black sheep" is removed, then the environment will change. Well, it's all useless. We will only state the facts and wash ourselves with blood.

    Well, how much do you still clean up and change? there are no strong and competent military commanders and nowhere to be found ...
  28. +14
    14 January 2023 08: 56
    Firstly, they laughed at the idea of ​​​​using UAVs here at VO for a very long time, after the start of the operation. I suspect that the top was the same attitude.
    Secondly, we live in a feudal estate society. The lower class () does not have the right to raise their voices to gentlemen officers. Another thing is that Mr. Lieutenant Colonel behaved in such a way that he was demoted and sent to clean the manure. But they demonstrated to the whole people that they do not care about patriotism, lackeys should know their place.
    And finally, the goal. Without a goal nothing will get done. Of course, you can go to chop firewood out of nothing to do, but here the true goal is to keep the house warm. What the true purpose of the operation, we can only guess. But the Kremlin hysterically wants to make peace. It is even beneficial for the West to make peace. Kremlin fools. again, nothing will be changed, and in a few months the military officers will return, who are trained in Spain, Germany, and they will have to carry out a second mobilization, again, blunder
    1. +2
      14 January 2023 10: 52
      Why fools? In my opinion, they are not stupid, but very smart.
      1. +6
        14 January 2023 12: 15
        Well, for yourself, how to line your pockets, they are even geniuses. But taking care of a personal pocket and taking care of the country cannot be combined in any way.
  29. +2
    14 January 2023 09: 16
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Igor Strelkov, FSB colonel in reserve, commented on this appointment.

    I agree with Strelkov in this regard.
    Lapin, with all due respect to him, should be put down the opposite way until he proves his professionalism as a competent officer by deed.
    In general, I would recommend that all citizens never take a word for what comrades vested with supreme power say ... they have done too much stupidity and nasty things to our citizens since the 90s.
    smile As for our generals ... some of them are real combat generals capable of defeating the enemy, some of the parquet generals are suitable only for parades and exhibitions ... some are frank sycophants and opportunists ... and when I hear a general boasting about his position and the fact that the rest people for him are second grade below his status, you immediately understand that such an idiot should not be allowed to work closely with people.
    The NWO clearly showed the inner qualities of people ... now it is clearly visible who is a scoundrel and who is a real hero, who is able to fight, and who is mediocre in military affairs.

    There is nothing to add. Five +++++
  30. +8
    14 January 2023 09: 25
    It may be excusable not to punish for an ineffective solution to a newly emerged problem, otherwise there will be no one to command, but if we talk about the tragedy in Makiivka, then here we have not coped with the long-standing problem of long-range high-precision fire impact of the enemy, which has been known and has been haunting us for several months. Do we have the right to put a brake on everything in front of the dead and their relatives and in front of the living, who are threatened with a similar fate if the perpetrators are not punished, not to mention that this resembles a deliberate sabotage.
  31. +10
    14 January 2023 09: 30
    Quote: YOUR
    In the photo, the beginning of the NWO, the Kharkov direction, the execution of our column of paratroopers. When, according to the plans, they marched almost in parade columns without cover. This is for you
    As for our generals...
    Did someone answer? Has anyone been removed? No one. For that, see so many Heroes of Russia among the generals. The opinion is not only mine, but also that of the majority, the general can receive such a high award only for a carefully planned and conducted operation. He does not sit in the trenches and does not show personal courage and does not lead into battle. Not in reproach, but a statement of fact, this is not a general's business. But where are these operations? I see only throwing shells and frontal attacks.

    They get heroes for "honoring the master" and sycophancy. If the general did not win a single battle, why did he become a hero? For the performance of their current functions? Or for the "excellent" performance of their current functions? So for this, only a medal "for distinction" .. No, they are a Hero ... And how many of these are now, already newly appeared? And who signs the order for the Hero? AND ? Unknown? Known..
    And who signs the order for the removal-approval of the general's position? Everything comes down to one point. Here it is a "system" that does not admit its mistakes and supports incompetent people.
  32. +2
    14 January 2023 09: 36
    The main problem of our Armed Forces is that they are simply not allowed to fight. The army must fight and carry out the assigned tasks so that later, after the hostilities stop, the enemy could not strike, which would entail heavy losses of personnel or the abandonment of occupied territories. In our case, the military perform tasks and wait for a call when they say everything / enough / negotiations, etc. From the first days of the NMD, the RF Armed Forces had a tactical advantage - it’s enough to remember where our military personnel stood throughout Ukraine and then they hit military units and warehouses with missile strikes, but it was necessary both at substations and railway nodes, and then excuse me what were some negotiations. And now no one can explain why there are entire bridges across the Dnieper, and European leaders calmly come to Kyiv by train.
  33. +6
    14 January 2023 09: 49
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Quote: svp67
    And how did Girkin prove his competence after the surrender of Slavyansk

    If Girkin had not withdrawn the militias from Slavyansk in time, he would have been destroyed there ... no one had helped him there.
    Quote: svp67

    But don't touch Lapin, he's already hurt so well

    Yes, yes, he suffered so much that he went for a promotion ... and in the abandoned Kherson, dozens of people were shot by the Ukronazis ... how to deal with this.
    Everyone around is to blame but not him.
    It seems that the generals fought each on their own without mutual assistance to each other.
    Yes, I agree, in 10 years, details of the Kherson and Kharkov failure may surface ... it would be nice if new failures were not added to them, that's what I'm worried about ... I hope Lapin drew conclusions from these defeats.

    It is doubtful that such "lapins" at their age and with their bronzedness can draw the right conclusions. They will save up and "drown" those sitting next to them. There is no Personality who could restore personnel order in the generals and not only ...
  34. +1
    14 January 2023 09: 55
    Quote: Konnick
    Firstly, so much has been said about goals and objectives by so many that it is not clear to me personally, how else is it incomprehensible to someone?


    Well, yes, there is no specifics, as well as logic, some streamlined phrases.
    News from 13.01.23

    The Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations (UN), Vasily Nebenzya, said that Russia is ready for a scenario that will allow the goal of the special operation in Ukraine to be achieved peacefully. His words are quoted by RIA Novosti.

    During a speech at a meeting of the UN Security Council, the diplomat noted that it would be possible to end the NWO only when the threat to Russia ceases to emanate from the territory of Ukraine and discrimination against the Russian-speaking population of the country ceases.



    This is our Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Sad.....
  35. +5
    14 January 2023 09: 57
    Questions of a person who does not work in the field, a theorist. Try to order something from a civilian, the one who was at the restoration of Armenia remembers how they drank at the training camp too. Just because it's not on TV doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In the telegram channels, there are how the wives of the commanders of the mobiles are messing up, etc. I’ll say more at the front, special forces run around with Ukrainian sim cards. It's Putin's fault. As Khazanov said, our people are everywhere. What is a plumber, what is a doctor, a builder, etc. everywhere there is indifference and a mess, in the aria that people are recruited from Mars. About punishment, any structure, even an army, even officials, doctors, is based on relationships, even Stalin failed to destroy these connections, a person is a creature that can adapt very quickly. Again they write about the theory, ask (heart to heart) any leader why he has such subordinates, then you will understand why we have such generals.
    1. +3
      14 January 2023 13: 45
      I’ll say more at the front, special forces run around with Ukrainian sim cards. It's Putin's fault

      And who, then, if not the commander in chief, who did not provide modern communications in the army. So they run around with Ukrainian sim cards and no one turns off the cellular connection from our side, since our army uses Telegram instead of antediluvian walkie-talkies
      1. +2
        14 January 2023 22: 40
        The court seized the property of the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, Colonel-General Khalil Arslanov, who is accused of fraud related to public procurement. ... + - A court in Moscow seized the property of the head of the Main Directorate of Communications of the Armed Forces (AF) of the Russian Federation, deputy head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, Colonel-General Khalil Arslanov, TASS reports citing a law enforcement source. Khalil Arslanov. Photo: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. ... In 2009, Khalil Arslanov was appointed chief of communications - deputy chief of the Main Staff of the Ground Forces for communications. ... Denis Khalaimov, Director for Digital Development and New Media at AiF.ru. What is it?? or according to Galtsev what!
  36. +13
    14 January 2023 10: 00
    I understood a long time ago that incompetence and impunity for the consequences of incompetence "dominate" in Russia! Moreover, it must be said that "incompetence and impunity" prevail not only in the military "sphere"; but also, in almost all socio-economic, political state structures! Unfortunately, quite a small part of Russian society understands this. ..so small that the ruling regime allows itself to easily (!) "spit" on the whole of society as a whole, and not just on the "intelligent", "masking" spitting with the distribution of handouts! The author, having finished the pessimistic part (main!) of the article, at the end decided to "sweeten the pill" ... and covered the ending with "optimistic" icing! Who wants to, let him "eat"! But I do not believe in an optimistic ending! It will not exist as long as the flawed model of the construction, functioning and management of the state is preserved in the country, the guarantor of the preservation of which is the current ruling regime!
  37. +3
    14 January 2023 10: 00
    Quote: Konnick
    Next comes the attack of the APU on the CP 11 of the corps, control is lost

    Like the textbook...
    The headquarters and communication centers have always been the primary targets.

    Except for us.......
  38. +4
    14 January 2023 10: 08
    Quote: Eug
    I can say one thing - being at a checkpoint at night in winter, a RG fighter LISTENS TO MUSIC IN HEADPHONES (he himself said this in a conversation). Not the noise of an ATV engine of a potential enemy DRG, not the creaking of snow underfoot (in winter you can hear it for 200 meters at night, especially outside the NP), but MUSIC! And then he is surprised that the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at them from a rifle ...

    This is the job of the company commander. Checking posts, guards. The issuance of pills to the commanders of squads, platoons for .... what you described and more. This is how personnel is brought up always and everywhere. If you don't have it, then you will. He didn’t talk about the problem of middle and junior officers only ..... he didn’t serve anywhere.
  39. +6
    14 January 2023 10: 12
    Quote from crossbow
    Now many Western and our media are reporting that changes in the leadership of the NWO mean an imminent offensive. Like it or not, but some anxiety creeps in - will all these newly appointed to lead the operation, who have reached the level of their own incompetence (Surovikin is an exception here, since he seems to have proved his competence), commanders competently command? Especially in conditions when they are sure that they will not suffer any punishment for miscalculations. Why it was impossible to leave Surovikin at the head of the SVO, who demonstrated his competence. It seems to me that these reshuffles will not help to strengthen the morale of the military on the fronts.

    There is a shuffle of marked cards in one deck. Or - " ....... friends, no matter how you sit down ...." Or - "from changing places ...."
  40. +1
    14 January 2023 10: 17
    Our whole problem is that Putin is good for peacetime, but completely incompetent in wartime. All his decisions for this year are the height of confusion and liberalism. You can not use methods when stealing or failed friends are transferred to another job. Now our soldiers are paying for it with their lives.
    1. +3
      14 January 2023 17: 23
      igorra:
      Put a plus, but I would like to correct: Putin was good until 2008.
      And then a continuous chain of mistakes and gossip, which led to the SVO (Strange military operation) and everything else.
      1. 0
        14 January 2023 20: 42
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        igorra:
        Put a plus, but I would like to correct: Putin was good until 2008.
        And then a continuous chain of mistakes and gossip, which led to the SVO (Strange military operation) and everything else.

        How many times has it been proven that you need to leave on time
    2. +1
      15 January 2023 01: 30
      I wonder what was his competence in peacetime? In Investing our gold and foreign exchange reserves in the economies of other countries? Or in the "optimization" of healthcare, education, science, the army, industry. In carrying out pension reform.
  41. -2
    14 January 2023 10: 17
    The article has a lot of dubious arguments and conclusions that are between clinical idealism and idiocy. In populist fervor, the author proposes to engage in "beating" the generals. And what will he achieve in this way? Who will replace them? And they will be replaced by those, most likely, who do not have experience in the position to which they put him, that is, an insufficiently competent person will again come. I want to remind you that competence is knowledge + skills + experience (by definition). Based on this, we can confidently say that any step up in a career begins with a failure of competence in a position, because there is not enough experience in it. All or almost all who "went" up their careers experienced moments of doubt in their abilities to confidently work in a new position before agreeing to take it upon themselves. Exactly in the same way that a doctor achieves mastery by forming his graveyard, any combat commander has his own set of losses and victories behind him. Everyone has them. Even Suvorov wrote his "Science of Victory" on the basis of personal, including not entirely successful, experience. But he is a genius, born once in a hundred, maybe a thousand years. Start imprisoning generals for failures, and soon you will not have independent commanders from a company and above. Yes, Peter and Parkinson's joke books don't mention it. But even Stalin very quickly refused to shoot generals who failed serious operations. An example of this is Malinovsky, and Timoshenko, and the same Zhukov with Vasilevsky, and many others. First of all, what is bad with us is that very often in the struggle for a fee, people stop seeing the limits of their competence, i.e. in terms of what they can appreciate and what is beyond their ability to capture their knowledge, experience and skills. And the consciousness of one's responsibility for the written and publicly presented word also suffers. That's for sure, "loot rules."
  42. +5
    14 January 2023 10: 24
    In my opinion, high-performing managers, analysts, and policy advisers should have as many questions as generals.
  43. +16
    14 January 2023 10: 25
    All in principle is correct.
    However, the problem is taken out of context in the article.

    Negative selection, incompetence and irresponsibility have been a hallmark of Russia's power for a long time. You don't even need to give examples. Everyone understands everything.

    Only openly oppose - there are no fools. An example of H and others who openly named their full names and facts of corruption are before their eyes. All full names are in place, and people are in jail. And some in the ground.

    Therefore, even such "left" and "informed" ones as Goblin or Klim Zhukov are indignant abstractly, without full names ... "chu, chu, that's the Guarantor .." - they liked their phrase.

    And to pretend that up to 24 - they say, negative selection (and the accompanying deception), but after - all the holy truth and true red lines - just hypocrisy, IMHO.
    Everything goes on as before. The power of Edra, the property of the oligarchs, the elite over the hill, deceit and provocations of the population.

    As it was in 14, when the active part of the people were taken out to shoot at each other, and then they covered the Russian Spring with volunteers, and the communists in the LDNR, and the people's Cossacks, and self-government ...

    And what is described in the article, IMHO, simply confirms this scheme ..
    And technical problems - UAVs, communications, communication, etc. - they all have. They arise and are resolved, ideally, right along the way ..
    1. -2
      14 January 2023 15: 32
      Quote: Max1995
      Negative selection, incompetence and irresponsibility have been a hallmark of Russia's power for a long time. You don't even need to give examples. Everyone understands everything.

      Everyone only thinks that he understands. In fact, everything is not simple. The authorities of any country are characterized by the effect of the "human factor". Our government has sores "to hell". But even in the European corridors of power, things are no better. We do not really bomb them, and their energy sector is already on the "four bones" today. And it's all done by their hands. Themselves "commanded" the current result. The growth of numbers in their utility bills cannot be compared with ours, despite the fact that we are under their sanctions, and not they are under ours. Yes, we are also growing in the cost of a unit of energy, but not at such a terrible pace. So there is no need to sprinkle ashes on Russia, everyone has plenty of idiots in power. And if you see "negative selection, incompetence and irresponsibility" - offer solutions and go to power. Be evidence-based, people will support you.
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    2. +1
      15 January 2023 04: 14
      I agree, but only partly. Just the complete technical and organizational unpreparedness of the army for war is a direct consequence of the thoroughly rotten state system built on lies, nepotism, window dressing and theft. And the army is part of the system. Well, you saw how our roads are being "repaired"! It's the same in the military...
  44. +8
    14 January 2023 10: 40
    Tell me, Zhukov's decision to prevent the execution of Konev for the Vyazemsky defeat and the encirclement of 600 thousand. groupings of the Western Front, according to the decision of the Politburo commission, is correct. Or the execution of Konev and his staff would have corrected this. This is a war where there are a lot of mistakes and right decisions. We are not at war with the headquarters, but with the headquarters and parts of NATO, which they are now speaking openly about. Even about the surrender of Balakleya and Izyum, the American generals directly said that we planned and led it. The question is whether they correctly learned the lessons of this defeat and drew the appropriate conclusions.
  45. +12
    14 January 2023 11: 03
    As it turned out, the most direct. The fact is that the root of all the problems of the SVO at the moment can be called two reasons - incompetence and impunity.

    Dear author! These two factors that you pointed out characterize the entire political and administrative system of the Russian Federation for more than 30 years. So why should the troops be different? They didn't exist on another planet. To these two factors, I would add a third - eyewash. sad
    1. +2
      14 January 2023 23: 20
      Quote: Radikal
      As it turned out, the most direct. The fact is that the root of all the problems of the SVO at the moment can be called two reasons - incompetence and impunity.

      Dear author! These two factors that you pointed out characterize the entire political and administrative system of the Russian Federation for more than 30 years. So why should the troops be different? They didn't exist on another planet. To these two factors, I would add a third - eyewash. sad


      And I would also add that it did not become like this in the last 30 years, but a little earlier, approximately from the Brezhnev era. From that the USSR collapsed because they tried to replace reality with window dressing and stupid slogans. Well, the products of that system are now in power, and this is the result.
  46. +12
    14 January 2023 11: 13
    The daughter of the secretary of defense during the "war with NATO" hangs out in Dubai - the regional center of the CIA - and no questions about it!
  47. +12
    14 January 2023 11: 16
    10 problems of the RF Armed Forces listed above. They did not appear today or even yesterday. 9 out of 10 (except for mobilization) you are not included in the results and conclusions about the 5-day war in 2008. What has changed for the better since then? Looks like no. .
    1. +2
      14 January 2023 23: 18
      Quote: Mikhail Kononov
      10 problems of the RF Armed Forces listed above. They did not appear today or even yesterday. 9 out of 10 (except for mobilization) you are not included in the results and conclusions about the 5-day war in 2008. What has changed for the better since then? Looks like no. .


      It has only changed for the worse - the enemy has progressed and we have remained in the same place.
  48. -1
    14 January 2023 11: 23
    The article raises the problem, but still does not provide a solution. The problem of the quality of management and managers is quite open in the post-Soviet space. The managers are bad. There are many reasons for this problem. In part, it must be said that it is not so easy to find a person for a leadership position already because systemically thinking people are usually afraid of high positions and responsibility, therefore adventurers mostly make their way to the top. They are often very incompetent, unlike systemists, but for that, they rely on their personal ability to get out of the situation. This situation, in principle, is fueled by those approaches to management that are taught by all sorts of Western manuals on this matter, which seek to develop careerism instead of professionalism, for example, by ordering to shift their duties to subordinates, and for free. Moreover, according to Western doctrines promoted by us, a manager does not need to be a professional in his field. Today he can be the Minister of Railways, tomorrow the Minister of Health, the main thing is that he knows how to manage. As a result, everywhere in our places of management there are not professionals who know how to manage processes, but adventurers who know how to manipulate people. Then the cycle of these manipulators in nature begins: transfer from place to place, impunity, etc. All these Surovikins, Lapins Gerasimovs have already shown their incompetence in one way or another, but despite the alleged presence of 800 or 1300 generals in Russia, of which one could try to choose a ceiling, well, or whatever it is with Clausewitz, put young majors in their place, who combat experience showed that they beat generals with their minds ... well, let's say from the same corps of the Republics, or close associates of Kadyrov, who showed that he has the skills to manage, supply, control his people - we get the Krylovsky orchestra from the fable. About which, I just want to say: no matter how you sit down, friends, you are not good at musicians. However, it must also be said that the rear, materiel, and supplies significantly let down the regular military. Nothing to supply and arm. Instead of Coalitions, they ride D-20s of the forties, instead of Armats - T-62s. Yes, what can I say - there are not enough camp kitchens, which is why, in fact, soldiers are often lodged in large crowds. Maybe that's why the military generals are fighting as best they can, based on what they have. Although, why did the generals at their disposal turn out to be what they have - see above. It seems that in Russia, Putin has the Popular Front to help him, and the constant competitions for young managers throughout the country, and the Valdai-Petersburg forums there. And as for the case, there is no one to replace the leader who steals or does not justify the hopes. What is in the army, what is in civilian life. Some kind of garbage. In the management process, it is necessary to set tasks more clearly, according to the goals, to understand the goals yourself, to understand and limit the deadlines for completing tasks, to control and double-check the implementation at all stages, and not rely on reports, well, rewarding well for the implementation, severely punishing the failure to complete the tasks. Understand the staff, who is capable of what and teach them for yourself and your goals. Generate competition, in the struggle for results, not indicators. Don't wait for it to sort itself out.
  49. +2
    14 January 2023 11: 30
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    more specifically, see the battles of the Wagnerites

    With Wagner, very big questions arise.
    If someone remembers the history of the country, there was such a movement, the Stakhanovites. People, teams, in various branches of production, fulfilling one and a half, two, or even three or four plans in a shift or a month! Only in pursuit of these figures, somehow no one wrote in those days that the Stakhanovite brigade fulfilled 3 plans, five unknown brigades worked hard for them, and remained unknown further ... The main thing is the report that in our production , in our area there is a Stakhanov initiative!
    Here, too, something very similar ... Have we sent the regular army home? Are there only Wagnerians there? I am more than sure that they are working together with military units, and it is impossible in a different way, but for some reason they write only about Wagner ...
    The trend of time?
    1. 0
      14 January 2023 23: 18
      If you haven’t noticed in all areas where the Russian army has no good results, to put it mildly. Only Wagner and the LDNR militias have results
    2. 0
      16 January 2023 09: 18
      There are questions for everyone, but with the correct planning of hostilities by the RF Ministry of Defense, the correct analysis of information and the correct presentation of information prepared by other departments responsible for planning the NMD, representatives of the military units of the RF Armed Forces and the people of Wagner PMC would not now fight for several months for small settlements, deciding which of them captured him, but would sit at home, in warm apartments and watch Konashenkov's briefing from a television studio in Kyiv.
    3. +1
      18 January 2023 12: 09
      Quote from sdivt
      Here, too, something very similar ... Have we sent the regular army home? Are there only Wagnerians there? I am more than sure that they are working together with military units, and it is impossible in a different way, but for some reason they write only about Wagner ...

      Well, what's stopping you military units in other areas - where there are no musicians - to fight in the same way? wink
  50. +2
    14 January 2023 11: 31
    the key problem is theirs, that this is theirs, not a war, that they pity Ukraine or Ukrainians, everything could be finished in two weeks, you just need to act like the United States, carpet bombing, destruction of infrastructure, 32 tunnels in Ukraine, only their destruction will break the country on a patchwork quilt, the supply of the Donbass group will completely stop, but there are still bridges, roads, railway tracks, a lot of things, but they don’t touch it, they are fighting in a group of 150 thousand people, plus 40 thousand from the LDNR, now mobilized another 300 thousand, for 2 tons of km lines of contact, this is nothing, on the other side there is a man, NATO intelligence, NATO communications, which are better than Russian, technology, financing, bottomless reserves, I don’t know what and how they want to do, but not people, not finance, not equipment on Ukraine will not end, but can we alone resist the whole West for years? this is a big question
  51. +2
    14 January 2023 11: 42
    Quote: parusnik
    starting to punish incompetent generals
    Appoint ambassadors to island states. smile

    Like, to the Maldives? So it turns out not to be a punishment, but an encouragement. bully
  52. +12
    14 January 2023 11: 54
    Everything is not so clear. The question is very sensitive, complex and at the same time very simple. The socialist social formation with high responsibility of leaders of all ranks for the results of their activities, both legal and, most importantly, moral before their team, and significant dependence on public opinion, has been destroyed. An inherited class society has been created, divided by an abyss of moral principles, habitat and life interests, with a complete absence of social elevators. Hence this flawed, bordering on idiocy, as it seems from the outside, personnel policy based on nepotism, personal loyalty and crime. Instead of professionalism, personal achievements in this field of activity, moral and business qualities, hence the lack of any responsibility, etc. lack of jurisdiction. Family and friendly ties, servility and hypocrisy are of decisive importance for career growth, and the main criterion for the success of anything and everything is profit and loot, including moral and spiritual ones. It is difficult to expect a sane correct result from the activities of government agencies assembled on such a basis. They do not have the task of developing and prospering the state, the functions of creation, they only have profit making, ensuring cash flows, not forgetting their loved ones, they do not connect their future with this country, they need to do something, let’s wait, it will resolve itself. But it won’t resolve and won’t be like before, there’s nothing left to rob, and they are not intellectually capable and cannot create.
    In order to radically change such a semi-colonial entity, it seems to me, it is necessary to radically change social policy, returning to, historically for us, communal forms, to nationalize our so-called. elite, increasing for them the inevitability and the highest responsibility for the results of their activities, along with appreciation for their merits. Restore the main and critically important destroyed military educational, scientific and military analytical centers, strengthen the role and importance of state security agencies, remove restrictions on untouchability from civil servants of any rank, etc. “an effective manager” for operational work with them, for state security there should be no untouchables. In front-line regions and regions, military laws and military courts should apply, detachments based on the principles of SMERSH, etc. should be created.
    1. +2
      14 January 2023 15: 02
      Say revolutionary things, Filip Filipich. wink
    2. +4
      14 January 2023 16: 55
      Quote: seacap
      The socialist social formation with high responsibility of leaders of all ranks for the results of their activities, both legal and, most importantly, moral before their team, and significant dependence on public opinion, has been destroyed.

      Is it okay that since 1953 the Central Committee of the CPSU has been removed from the supervision of the KGB under the Council of Ministers of the USSR? Since then, we have had a superstructure that stands above the law and is not subject to it. The socialist formation was not destroyed. It decomposed under the influence of the party apparatus and died, destroying the Empire within the framework of which it was created. Everything else is just water without evidence that the current system of social relations is somehow significantly different from what it was in the 60-80s of the last century. There can only be one exception: then the whole people were hammered with the idea of ​​the imminent onset of communism ("...the current generation will live under communism...” N.S. Khrushchev). But social elevators worked in exactly the same way as today - creaking and often “through pull.” By the way, the term “through connections” itself comes from the USSR. Remember? And there was also “from under the counter”. There were “backbones” who sought benefits for themselves by calling someone “above”... They didn’t come up with anything new today. All the same.
      Quote: seacap
      In front-line regions and regions, military laws and military courts should apply, detachments based on the principles of SMERSH, etc. should be created.

      Could you tell me who destroyed the Zhukovsky special forces and for what reason? So don’t fool yourself, we all here, from privates to generals, come from the USSR, with all its pros and cons. We grow and learn from our own experiences. Yes, sometimes bitter. No one was sent to us from Mars, and we did not call up new “Varangians”. What we gave birth to and raised ourselves is why we fight today. We ourselves are the reason for all our movements and achievements. And it is right...
      1. 0
        14 January 2023 19: 02
        Your analysis is quite deep and thorough. But I want to clarify that the “empire” was rather destroyed not by the disintegration of the party apparatus, but by the conscious, especially at first, cultivation of Ukrainian nationalism and then the connivance of its growth.
      2. 0
        17 January 2023 15: 32
        Quote: Hagen
        Is it okay that since 1953 the Central Committee of the CPSU has been removed from the supervision of the KGB under the Council of Ministers of the USSR? Since then, we have had a superstructure that stands above the law and is not subject to it. The socialist formation was not destroyed. It decomposed under the influence of the party apparatus and died, destroying the Empire within the framework of which it was created.

        Khrushchev's abolition of control eventually resulted in numerous "cases" in the 70s and 80s, which affected not only the leadership of the national republics, but also the RSFSR (for example, the Medunov case). However, there is a fairly high probability that a ceiling was defined in the investigation of these cases, above which this investigation could not go. Otherwise it would have reached Moscow. Well, a quarter of the republic’s cotton harvest cannot imperceptibly evaporate from the fields, move to another republic, turn into threads and fabrics in state factories and finally go into the shadows - these are volumes at the level of the central apparatus.
        Moreover, most of these cases were only a reflection bulldog fighting under the carpet in Moscow, affecting the creatures of certain groups. And only the losing side ended up under the skating rink.
        By the way, the first bells went out even under the National Agricultural Committee - the same case of Leningrad trade in the early 60s, which eventually came to the executive committee of the Leningrad City Council and the city party committee and was smoothly released on the brakes with minimal time.
        Quote: Hagen
        But social elevators worked in exactly the same way as today - creaking and often “through pull.”

        No, son, the marshal has his own children. © smile
        Quote: Hagen
        By the way, the term “through connections” itself comes from the USSR. Remember? And there was also “from under the counter”.

        Yeah... and the main term for commodity-money relations in the USSR is “get it”. Not “buy”, but “get it”.
        Quote: Hagen
        There were “backbones” who sought benefits for themselves by calling someone “above”...

        “Telephone rights,” which future democrats loved to brand so much during perestroika...
        And which these same democrats began to use as soon as they came to power.

        In general, the second of two eternal principles of Russian policy: smile
        Spawn this did not happen, and again the same thing.
        © HF
        He formulated the first principle:
        They wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
    3. 0
      18 January 2023 15: 30
      Quote: seacap
      ... on the principles of SMERSH, etc.

      The opposite side of this is that the United States did not interfere with the theft of the national property of the USSR into private hands, and if the process is reversed, they will begin to put a spoke in the wheels. We already had chaos for about 30 years, I’ve been counting this since 1980, but now there will be worse chaos, and those thieves who actually stole factories from the people will resist and disrupt production as much as possible.
      Also, a public party is required that can lead this process in the country. For example, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the heirs of the CPSU, with vast experience in destroying the Soviet Union... But will these thieves be able to build a new socialism?
  53. +11
    14 January 2023 12: 39
    The North Military District has one problem and it is key - this is the complete lack of will to defeat the enemy among the top leadership of the Russian Federation.
    For the entire time of the Supreme Military District, since February 24, 2022, the Supreme Commander has never once said the sacred key word “VICTORY” for every Russian person.
    One can only see the burning desire of the entire top leadership of the Russian Federation to agree at any cost on another temporary truce with dear Nazi partners in Ukraine and no less dear Western partners in the USA and the EU, to restore business as usual with them.
    This is what determines the tactics and strategy of the war in Ukraine - why bridges and depots are intact, why Ukraine’s energy sector is not completely destroyed, why the top of the Nazi regime in Ukraine feels completely safe.
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      18 January 2023 15: 33
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      The North Military District has one problem and it is key - this is the complete lack of will to defeat the enemy among the top leadership of the Russian Federation. ...

      So you propose carpet bombing the entire territory of Ukraine?
      The Nazis simply shot all the patients in mental hospitals, and if you are for the exact same method, then how can fascism defeat other fascism?
      1. 0
        22 January 2023 01: 01
        It is necessary to completely cancel the entire energy sector of Ukraine, all 25 bridges across the Dnieper, the main 40 depots with rolling stock.
        And of course, liquidate the entire top leadership of the Nazi under-reich - Banderland: Zelensky, Zaluzhny, Shmygal, the entire Supreme Zrada. That is, to decapitate this criminal regime and deprive it of basic resources for resistance.
        And their preservation now suggests that a protracted war is very beneficial not only on the other side of the front, but also for many on this side.
  54. +11
    14 January 2023 12: 44
    I completely agree, and this is not only in the army, it is throughout bureaucratic Russia.
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  56. +7
    14 January 2023 13: 46
    Even in the days before WWII, the training of officers of the Reichswehr, and then the Wehrmacht, was carried out in such a way that lieutenants could competently not only command a platoon, but also two or three orders of magnitude higher, which turned out to be very handy in case of losses on the eastern front. Moreover, non-commissioned officers became an additional source of officer personnel. In our country, all warrant officers were made storekeepers...
    1. 0
      17 January 2023 15: 43
      Quote: AlexFly
      Even in the days before WWII, the training of officers of the Reichswehr, and then the Wehrmacht, was carried out in such a way that lieutenants could competently not only command a platoon, but also two or three orders of magnitude higher,

      For this, one little thing was needed - to firmly know that there would be no war in the next 10-15 years. Then yes, it is possible to turn the army into a huge officer and non-commissioned officer training, which has extremely little combat value and serves only for training personnel and practicing general skills.
      Von Seeckt had such guarantees - after the resolution of the Silesian issue, Germany was finally covered by the victors. Which is what they got in the end - no good deed goes unpunished. smile
      Quote: AlexFly
      which turned out to be very handy during losses on the eastern front

      EMNIP, the Reichswehr personnel were already spent by the beginning of WWII - they went to deploy the Reichswehr into the Wehrmacht.
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  58. +7
    14 January 2023 14: 01
    I read the report of the Ministry of Defense about how our army: paratroopers, aviation, artillery, unraveled the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Soledar and captured it, and not a word about the fact that it was all done by Wagner PMCs and only them. By talking about this to the whole country, you mean lying to the whole country, and not a word to say about PMCs says everything about the top in the Moscow Region. And only, I am completely sure, after the pressure and attacks on the Moscow Region, why and with what fright Soledar was taken by the professional military and not the PMCs, they rolled back and I’m sure, gritting their teeth, they admitted that this was entirely the merit of the musicians. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the generals has already drilled holes in their jacket for medals on this occasion. They decided to steal the victory from Wagner and got a sopatka. Here is one example of what is happening at the top.
  59. +6
    14 January 2023 14: 02
    No one will be touched, because the principle prevails: a personally loyal person is inviolable, no matter what failures he commits and no matter what sacrifices these failures are paid for. Except if the failures directly impinge on the PERSONAL safety of those at the top.
  60. +5
    14 January 2023 14: 09
    Quote: Hagen
    The article has a lot of dubious arguments and conclusions that are between clinical idealism and idiocy. In populist fervor, the author proposes to engage in "beating" the generals. And what will he achieve in this way? Who will replace them? And they will be replaced by those, most likely, who do not have experience in the position to which they put him, that is, an insufficiently competent person will again come. I want to remind you that competence is knowledge + skills + experience (by definition). Based on this, we can confidently say that any step up in a career begins with a failure of competence in a position, because there is not enough experience in it. All or almost all who "went" up their careers experienced moments of doubt in their abilities to confidently work in a new position before agreeing to take it upon themselves. Exactly in the same way that a doctor achieves mastery by forming his graveyard, any combat commander has his own set of losses and victories behind him. Everyone has them. Even Suvorov wrote his "Science of Victory" on the basis of personal, including not entirely successful, experience. But he is a genius, born once in a hundred, maybe a thousand years. Start imprisoning generals for failures, and soon you will not have independent commanders from a company and above. Yes, Peter and Parkinson's joke books don't mention it. But even Stalin very quickly refused to shoot generals who failed serious operations. An example of this is Malinovsky, and Timoshenko, and the same Zhukov with Vasilevsky, and many others. First of all, what is bad with us is that very often in the struggle for a fee, people stop seeing the limits of their competence, i.e. in terms of what they can appreciate and what is beyond their ability to capture their knowledge, experience and skills. And the consciousness of one's responsibility for the written and publicly presented word also suffers. That's for sure, "loot rules."

    That's right, Stalin refused to execute commanders and front commanders, but they were demoted from their positions. The same Malinovsky, the same Golikov, and a number of other generals. Therefore, we are not talking about executions, but about removal from positions for failures. If you couldn’t, figuratively speaking, manage a grouping or divisions at the army level, maybe this is your ceiling.
  61. +5
    14 January 2023 14: 37
    - "alignment" - worthy... not lacking in "Character"!...
    The conclusion suggests itself: - Russia, at least once every 50 years, needs a Big Trouble... so that Everything falls into place, everything turns upside down, in order to remove the Foam from our "Pot" - in order to simply Survive in this world!...
    - What could the Country count on - after 30 years, which has taken a course towards total consumption and an unlimited “struggle” for this consumption...? The result is what we have. “What we have” was ensured by the Political System established in the country. The main “Misunderstanding” of this system was the irremovability of Power and no influence of Society on power.

    - Why has the West always been ahead of Russia in technological and production terms?... They learned to quickly change management personnel, who began to slow down the development of the state...
  62. +7
    14 January 2023 14: 38
    Thank you very much for the article!
    I read it with great interest.
  63. +10
    14 January 2023 14: 40
    Once again about the same thing: 15 years of parades, amusing troops, the State Armed Forces were stolen, in troops like 70% of modern equipment (fraud) - there had to be a reckoning for this. Well, and the icing on the cake is our excellent reconnaissance. None.
    1. +6
      14 January 2023 22: 56
      I agree! And the graduates “with clean hands, a cool head and a warm heart”..... on the Gelikas are a nightmare for Moscow.
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    1. +3
      14 January 2023 19: 34
      There are also more specific circumstances. The vocational school building in Makeevka was closely monitored, including from satellites, for months, waiting for the right moment when it would be filled.
  65. +3
    14 January 2023 16: 52
    While agreeing, in general, with the author’s ideas, I must at the same time note that for Lapin, the appointment from the post of district commander (47 tariff category) to the post of Chief of the Main Staff of the Army (46 rubles) is a demotion. The position sounds loud, but has no direct relation to the conduct of hostilities. The front (district) commander is fighting. And now, his responsibilities include planning combat training, military educational institutions, research work, and peacekeeping activities.
    And along Makeevka. We don’t have clear information, but from the snippets from the TG channels we can understand that the vocational school building was used as a PVD before, someone left ammunition and fuel storage warehouses in it, they are not regimental. The Donetsk forces, specifically the commander of the 1444st Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 1st AK, to whom this regiment was assigned, were responsible for the deployment of 1 small infantry regiments. As I understand it, this is the Strelkov Slavic Brigade. And how, not abstract generals, but a combat brigade commander, allowed this to happen is unclear.
  66. -1
    14 January 2023 17: 05
    The author admitted his incompetence and unprofessionalism, bringing this topic to a non-professional platform for discussion. And, if the author does not agree with this, then the purpose of this publication generally seems strange. Who and what can decide after reading the “note on the fence”?
  67. +6
    14 January 2023 17: 50
    There is one problem - permanently incompetent management
  68. +4
    14 January 2023 17: 50
    And what do you want? The book about Schweik, written 100 years ago, talks about exactly the same colonels and generals who, despite their obvious stupidity, have influential acquaintances and continue to rise through the ranks. Nothing has changed in 100 years. During my service in the 80s, I would highlight 40-50 percent of officers who openly cut through. At least 50% were outright swamps. On the wall on the landing, under glass, hung an inventory of equipment for the outfit: mops, buckets, etc. At the bottom there was a signature - Mr. So-and-so. One of the soldiers signed next to it - 1 piece. It was absolutely true. His level of intelligence was on par with mops. Probably, then he rose to the rank of colonel...
  69. +2
    14 January 2023 18: 10
    The same song again. How to punish the generals... It is obvious that the system is stalling. They said the right things: everything starts with a lie, and it goes upward, from the grassroots level. And the higher the level of the commander, the more his picture of what is happening differs from the real one. How to deal with this? Establish direct feedback from the rank and file to the generals? But this contradicts the very principles of military organization. The rank and file often simply does not have the amount of information that is needed at the top. Tighten punishments? But this will only increase the fear of responsibility, which pushes people to lie. It is possible that the solution lies in the creation of a duplicate information system. This is an old invention. Previously there were commissars, then political officers. Everyone knows only their nominal purpose - political supervision, which was not particularly necessary in Soviet one-party times. But perhaps they have taken root in the army thanks to their accompanying function - a backup system for informing the command. The army is a living organism just like other state institutions, and something could not exist in it that was not important for the normal functioning of the entire organism.
    Maybe it's time to create something like this?
    1. 0
      15 January 2023 14: 45
      Quote from cpls22
      The same song again. How to punish the generals... It is obvious that the system is stalling. They said the right things: everything starts with a lie, and it goes upward, from the grassroots level. And the higher the level of the commander, the more his picture of what is happening differs from the real one. How to deal with this? Establish direct feedback from the rank and file to the generals? But this contradicts the very principles of military organization. The rank and file often simply does not have the amount of information that is needed at the top. Tighten punishments? But this will only increase the fear of responsibility, which pushes people to lie. It is possible that the solution lies in the creation of a duplicate information system. This is an old invention. Previously there were commissars, then political officers. Everyone knows only their nominal purpose - political supervision, which was not particularly necessary in Soviet one-party times. But perhaps they have taken root in the army thanks to their accompanying function - a backup system for informing the command. The army is a living organism just like other state institutions, and something could not exist in it that was not important for the normal functioning of the entire organism.
      Maybe it's time to create something like this?

      You just need direct access to information and automatic processing of information. When the higher-ups can look at the situation through the eyes of any soldier from his helmet without arranging ceremonial Potemkin patrols. The fact that the Minister of Defense can look at you through the eyes of private Petechken will already give a huge boost. The second is the automatic processing of information, which eliminates the influence of people on their flows, which will increase both the speed of information arrival and its honesty.
      1. +1
        15 January 2023 23: 22
        Direct access to information for everyone? laughing
        Would you suggest choosing commanders right away or later?
        There is no greater idiocy than democracy in the army.
      2. 0
        16 January 2023 16: 41
        This is achievable only at a new level of equipment of troops with communications equipment. Not even new, but breakthrough.
      3. +1
        17 January 2023 15: 53
        Quote: BlackMokona
        You just need direct access to information and automatic processing of information. When the higher-ups can look at the situation through the eyes of any soldier from his helmet without arranging ceremonial Potemkin patrols.

        It was with this that the army began an orgy of reports with photos and videos - “so that commanders could see with their own eyes how it really is.”
        The result is known - mountains of information, bloated headquarters, and commanders who spend all their time on reports and plans. For the commander’s activities are assessed not by the results of training his subordinates in practice, but by colorful papers and megabytes and their compliance with the current requirements for registration of a specific authority.
  70. +1
    14 January 2023 18: 24
    “Someone quite specific, some Russian military, considered it acceptable in the 11th month of the war, after several months of missile attacks on artillery depots and dispositions, which had already entailed many casualties and shell hunger, to drive the mobilized into a heap, to impose them ammunition, furnish with equipment, make an ideal target,
    Or maybe this was done intentionally?! On purpose, so to speak, a natural course of events followed.
  71. +6
    14 January 2023 18: 50
    Peacetime, a moment when a massive negative selection for command positions takes place in the state, including the Armed Forces.
    A competent and skillful commander, as a rule, has an extremely inconvenient character and is completely indifferent to the drill song, white curbs and painted grass! And such a bastard demands fuel, ammunition and all other things for the training of soldiers, while it is necessary to report on savings.
    If a general screws up, then he is transferred to a higher position or quietly fired, if he is a competent major, then he will be fired in the best case scenario for him, most likely left without prospects or imprisoned.
    By the way, as an example of negative selection in an enlarged form - 1904, Kuropatkin! A brilliant staff officer and intriguer, and a mediocre commander. However, he remained on horseback and in chocolate. And so it is here. But until the replacement of blood takes place, all these will shed quite a bit of blood on us.
  72. -2
    14 January 2023 20: 15
    The respected author clung to Makeyevka, although the RF Armed Forces have staged dozens of such “Makeyevkas” for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And all the shortcomings that you attribute to the Russian army can be attributed to any other army, depending on the degree of perfection that you put at the forefront. All those who consider the level of exactingness in the Stalin-type Soviet army as a model, forget that this type of exactingness was forged during the most brutal civil war, when society began to perceive executions as an ordinary punishment. In order for the current humane state of Russian society to reach at least part of such “cleansing bitterness,” tragedies and defeats at the front are needed. Therefore, you need to be more careful in assessing events if their true essence is unknown to you. Don’t forget also that in any business, and especially in war, there are a lot of fools and “risky people for free.” And dozens of similar “risky operations” ended successfully. This, unfortunately, is an inherent property of war. As for Igor Strelkov, to whom you are referring here, then, without a doubt, he is an extraordinary person. It’s a shame that they didn’t find any use for it in the Northern Military District. But there are spots on the “sun” too. Igor Strelkov at one time surrendered Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
    Even the same Nazi Azov fought in Mariupol to the last. Perhaps the Russian army would have come to his aid back in Slavyansk and then he would not have had to lose so many people liberating these territories now. Well, about the lack of certain equipment. Have you tried to compare the military budgets of NATO and Russia? Or have you forgotten the USSR, which had similar military parity with NATO, but also had a poor population?
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  74. -1
    14 January 2023 21: 19
    The content of the article does not match the title. Another “senior commanders on guard don’t understand anything”
  75. +4
    14 January 2023 22: 52
    I read the comments and am surprised. Everything is discussed except reality.
    What difference does it make who is appointed to throw infantry into frontal attacks?
    Regarding Kherson, specifically.
    We have a city of millions. Well, half of them left, maybe 500 thousand, plus 10 - 20 thousand military and civilian specialists on the right bank.
    We have two bridges. Let's calculate how much bread and milk you need per day. Let's say half a liter of milk and half a kilo of bread per person. One truck 20 tons. That is, you need at least 25 trucks per day. Only the city. Soldiers need ammunition, water, fuel.
    Bridges are destroyed from a distance, with impunity.
    Put anyone in command, even if you announce three mobilizations, the bridges will remain under fire.
    At the same time, the enemy’s communications have miraculously been functioning normally for a year now.
    The problem is not how brave a person is, or how smart he is. The problem is what means does he have?
  76. +4
    14 January 2023 23: 15
    How not to change a horse at the crossing if the horse is dead? We need a new horse. However, this is all pointless, as long as our guarantor is in power, no changes are possible.
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  78. +1
    15 January 2023 00: 00
    Generals... By some strange coincidence, those who “sniffed gunpowder” and acquired well-deserved authority among the troops disappeared somewhere... in all directions.
    At one time, I was stopped when I tried to enter the Rostov Higher Command and Engineering School of the Missile Forces... I was almost an “A” student after school and such a bummer because of my father’s very bad criminal background. Well, okay, thanks to the “vigilance” of the relevant departments after graduating from the walls of the Higher Educational Institution, I served for almost 25 years not in a dungeon, but in distant foreign countries... Why did I rush into a historical excursion... No matter how you scold the “wild-growing” ones, having three early ranks without real combat experience, so the father is a general or his wife is one of the very famous...
    I don’t think I’m the only one “lucky” to serve with such dynastic specimens.
    No, there is no personal grudge, I have earned my big stars in full... I have reached my personal ceiling. But maybe the general breed should be selected more qualitatively, and not just based on the presence of related genes.
    Pure into space ...
  79. +4
    15 January 2023 00: 19
    During my short mobilization, Lapin was mentioned in the regiment only with obscenities.
    Some drivers only completed their regrouping near Voronezh from near Kharkov.
    Any general who conducted exercises from 2014 to 22 and did not give everyone a bad mark for communications, who did not raise the alarm throughout the country, should be fired - i.e. All.
    1. 0
      17 January 2023 16: 03
      Quote: dfk-80
      Any general who conducted exercises from 2014 to 22 and did not give everyone a bad mark for communications, who did not raise the alarm throughout the country, should be fired - i.e. All.

      Hehehehe...that’s how communications worked during the exercises. Another question is at what cost.
      Look, Murza had a description of organizing communications using portable “Azarts” with a range of 2,5-4 km, when some of the fighters are sitting on points confident reception and poses as repeaters. In exercises conducted at the same training grounds, all these points have long been known - and there is a connection.
      The second option is cellular communication. No matter how much they fight with it, they still sit on it.
      In peacetime, everything is fine. And when they started to attack, they left the coverage radius, entered unusual terrain, spread out their formations - that’s all, alles kaput.
      Before answering this question, let's close the story with father and son, Russian military in the North Military District zone in March 2022, who talk on “Baofeng” instead of “Azart”, which they have alone. I think everyone has already roughly guessed why. Because my son’s walkie-talkie, as well as many other portable radio stations, are placed as stationary repeaters between the headquarters and locations of Russian troops where there are more than those 4 kilometers between them.
      © Murz
  80. +2
    15 January 2023 00: 32
    By the way, in the photo there are “Tigers” from the episode of the entry of Russian troops into Kharkov on 28.02.22/134/3. There is a video of the beginning of this battle, when at the first shots the scouts rushed into the loose. One of the "Tigers" showed one corpse in civilian clothes, but it was most likely an infiltrator from the scouts. Further, as indicated, the scouts barricaded themselves in school No. 4. There is a video from Butusov, where he is standing near a destroyed school, the camera panned over 4 or 5 bodies of scouts. Why do I pay attention to the dead? Initially there were 20-30 "Tigers" caught in the frame. This means there were more than 20 people there. Even closer to 30. At the initial stage, Ukrainians were very scrupulous about displaying the corpses of Russian soldiers. They immediately stated that they had killed these 4-5 people, but showed only 20-4 bodies. One was still a prisoner. The remaining more than XNUMX bodies were not shown. These Ukrainian sadists would have dismantled the entire school, but they would have shown all the corpses, but no. I began to hope that the others had left. I understand that the operation was swearing, people will be reluctant to talk about it, but those guys, like the Pskovites, are heroes. They even knocked out a Ukrainian BTR-XNUMX. Are they alive or not?
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    1. +2
      15 January 2023 00: 56
      This is probably not a planning problem, but a problem of reconnaissance and target designation. More precisely, the complete incompetence of those who gave input for planning, starting from the number and training of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and ending with their (the Armed Forces of Ukraine) psychological stability and ideologization. And also the degree of support (of our forces), or lack thereof, from the local population. Hence the failure to inflict critical losses on the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces with the first and second strikes, and uncovered columns and everything else.
  82. +4
    15 January 2023 01: 42
    Quote: Pilat2009
    How many times has it been proven that you need to leave on time

    it's hard to get your hands off the sweet stuff
  83. +3
    15 January 2023 01: 46
    So far they are only punishing scapegoats, and all sorts of soldiers who bully officers. All you have to do is put a couple of fat general asses on the bottle of justice and the morale in the army will skyrocket. In the meantime, it's pure demotivation stop
  84. +3
    15 January 2023 02: 08
    Quote: engy
    Many problems depend on the state of the industry. They laugh at the formula that Putin started the war primarily to resolve issues within Russian society. Despite the delusion of this idea, it turns out that it fits.

    treating a headache with a guillotine is madness. Allowing a bloc of 40+ states to be put together against oneself is a complete failure of foreign policy. Failure of domestic and national policies. In a country with an active opposition, the president would have already been impeached, removed and tried by a military tribunal.
    But our opposition is imitation, like everything else. Country of imitation.
    1. 0
      15 January 2023 11: 52
      Yes, in our country these state institutions are purely demonstrational in nature. Although in Russia they have long been talking about “Kremlin towers” ​​and in the country one way or another there is a consensus of certain clans. It’s a shame that this confrontation has not been legalized in our state institutions. This is the problem of all post-Soviet countries. Most likely, Putin is not an absolute ruler, and maybe even just a respected arbiter. In such conditions, he would have to follow the Stalinist path by eliminating competitors, or bring the situation to a certain level of instability in order to carry out his changes. This is a version, I don’t insist on anything, but the easiest way to explain the situation is that everyone around is idiots and does only stupid things. We see that it would have been much more rational to have had a large-scale intervention in Ukraine in 14, which was not done. And we remember certain actions of the banking and oil-producing clans to resolve the conflict. We see what kind of opposition to this exists in Russia today, even at the level of the attitude of Duma deputies, at least behind the scenes. The problem inside Russia is much worse than on the Ukrainian front. At least for now. And yes, these 40 countries have already been on this course in one way or another. The same poor dentist Assad or the dead Gaddafi, to whom they did something bad, were nevertheless designated for slaughter by the same 40 countries. Something had to be done, and in conditions when many did not want to do anything. And now they don’t want to.
  85. +1
    15 January 2023 12: 35
    ordinary soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces are given quite serious sentences

    Punishing the innocent and rewarding the innocent is, unfortunately, our everything until now.
  86. 0
    15 January 2023 15: 10
    In the photo, the Tiger's tire is flat. Probably shot through. Need airless tires.
  87. +2
    15 January 2023 16: 58
    It would be better if they read Mukhin, not Parkinson.
    А the idea of ​​government responsibility is recognized as extremism in the Russian Federation.
    If you don’t wait for the perpetrators to be punished, at most, some switchmen will be appointed
  88. -2
    15 January 2023 18: 25
    Back at the end of December, journalist from Expert magazine Pyotr Skorobogatiy outlined the top 10 problems of the Russian army. The list looked like this......:

    ALL THESE 10 PROBLEMS ARE IN ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD!
    ONLY RUSSIA began to rake them FIRST!!!!!
  89. 0
    15 January 2023 18: 53
    The peacetime army is degrading and growing fat in its belly and brains.
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    1. 0
      17 January 2023 16: 06
      Quote: V Kor_2
      Interesting moderation. My opinion about the above article by the author is chewed up. It seems that the channel does not need objective, independent opinions.

      The channel does not need problems with the law. For an unenthusiastic way of thinking can now grab much more than five rods without a kiss.
  91. 0
    15 January 2023 22: 07
    secondly, by starting to punish incompetent generals and updating the system as a whole. Moreover, we definitely cannot do without the second point, since in the military command (at very different levels) there are quite a lot of random people who “go with the flow” and do not support the common cause, for whom a comma and indentation in a report are more important than the real combat readiness of his unit .

    And you need to start, apparently, just from the second point.

    Since 2014, I have read at least a couple thousand articles of this type. I'm wondering, who will do this?
  92. 0
    15 January 2023 22: 35
    Did the article surprise me? No! I already know that our command is still commanders. I've seen enough of the military.
  93. +1
    15 January 2023 23: 17
    After reading the summary from the author; “The fact is that the root of all the problems of the Northern Military District at the moment can be called two reasons - incompetence and impunity...” I came to the conclusion that the author violated his own principles. He displays incompetence with impunity. feel

    How can you discuss something about which you do not have complete information? Discussion with superiors implies an analysis of the situation, even if not thoroughly. Does Viktor Biryukov from Lugansk have access to secret data? I doubt.
    Well, then there are quotes from the press on which the author’s conclusions are based.
    You can’t argue against the facts, but did the author of the article check Smagin’s words, “drive the mobilized into a bunch, surround them with ammunition, furnish them with equipment, make an ideal target.” Is this a fact or nice words for an interview?

    You can argue for a long time about whether the author is right or wrong. But it's easier to check. At the beginning, the author writes about incompetence and impunity, and at the end he writes a recipe: it is necessary to outline the goals and objectives of the SVO and begin updating the system and punishing the incompetent. Who is incompetent and who and how will determine this? Strelkov, Smagin, journalists? On what principles? According to Peter's books? What do the goals and objectives of the Northern Military District have to do with political ones? What is a good wish for a system update? Who's against it? For everything good and against everything bad? Cap, can you be more specific?

    IMHO, of course, but the author himself is promoting himself more than solving the problem.
  94. -1
    16 January 2023 09: 10
    The main problem is that the Commander-in-Chief not only does not surrender his own, but does not even punish...
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  96. 0
    18 January 2023 15: 20
    Indeed, if the generals are idiots, what is the point of turning off cell phones?
  97. -1
    18 January 2023 15: 35
    Quote from Olegs
    We need to look deeper, the trouble is in the state system itself. governance of the country, without turnover and election, the system is doomed.

    Yeah, and Yeltsin for president! Well, at least Sobchak the Horse!
  98. 0
    19 January 2023 09: 38
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Look, Murza had a description of organizing communications using portable “Azarts” with a range of 2,5-4 km, when some of the fighters sit at points of reliable reception and pretend to be repeaters.

    Why such a gimmick when there are “parrot repeaters” in nature?
  99. 0
    19 January 2023 21: 54
    Quote: LastPS


    ..... - but such people pose the greatest danger to the existing order!...
  100. -1
    19 January 2023 22: 53
    It seems to me that we still need to start from the first point... 11 months after the start of the war, I would like to hear its clear goal... And the feces that flow in a powerful stream from the mouths of various kinds of politicians are already quite boring.