"TeGeran", which blows up the Western world

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"TeGeran", which blows up the Western world

CNN, of course, well done. Are able to work. They know how, most importantly, to get information and present it beautifully. They know how to think a little worse, because if they thought, then the information would be kept in the style of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Sometimes, you know, it's better to chew than to talk, if there is no time to think.

What's the question?


The question is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down the "Tegeranka" and she got to them in a very necessary form. What did the specialists take advantage of and did an analysis of the fallen giblets drone.




In general, "Shahed-136" is an outrageously simple thing. Ukrainian specialists counted only 52 details. Everything is fine, you can be happy for them, men know how to count. What is the gap?

And the problem is that out of 52 parts, 40 were not made in Iran. And not even in China, which would be understandable and forgivable. They are American. Moreover, not one of some traitor companies, 13 American companies worked on the components! The remaining 12 parts have a distinct trail leading to Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Thailand and China.

Like Raikin: “Who sewed the suit? - We!!!".

Cianan's, as expected, climbed with revelations, and here it became somewhat inconvenient. So much has been done to the rustle that very high-ranking officials in some countries became worried.

For example, the Canadian company Tallysman Wireless supplied some components for Shahed-136, and in such quantities that Giles Panter, the company's executive director, had to take the rap, saying that the company generally supports Ukraine, but the trouble is, you can't always find out where the path of each individual product released by the company ends.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was also marked by a statement that "attention will be increased, measures will be taken and in general!"

“Ay, darling, what a chic module for Wi-Fi! Give me a hundred, I'll set it up for the whole village! - said a dark-skinned and bearded citizen of the world, placing an order via the Internet with delivery to Libya.

Themselves, perhaps unwillingly, but employees of CNN gave a hefty slap in the face to everyone, including the special services. It’s unpleasant, but it turned out that sanctions don’t just not work, no, that’s how they work, but the market…

In short, the whole world has long been making money on the shadow trade in components for Iranian UAVs. And because of the obvious corruption schemes, Canada bears the greatest reputational cost, which has worked very hard to supply the Iranian unmanned program.

But that's not all


Last October twice surprised the world community in the worst sense of the word.

First, the Peshmerga forces in Iraq, and a week later, the Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down an Iranian Mohajer-6 drone over the Black Sea. And a detailed study revealed that this UAV is driven by the Rotax-912 engine, which, by a strange coincidence, serve on the American MQ-1 Predator UAVs and the Israeli Heron vehicles. Well, to the heap they are put on the Turkish "Bayraktar" TB2.


Rotax is a very well-known and respected Austrian company, however, in the past. Rotax is now owned by… the Canadian company Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP)!!! Yes, the one that equips snowmobiles, boats, jet skis, motorcycles, airplanes and a significant number of unmanned aerial vehicles with its engines.

Yes, Canada again.

In response to the current situation, BRP announced that it would temporarily suspend the export of Rotax 912 engines to "countries with unclear use" and launch an internal investigation into the circumstances of the company's engines entering Iran.

In general, the situation for Canadians is unpleasant. This is not about an underground Chinese-style copy, but about completely “white” engines.

The supply of such equipment to Iran violates EU sanctions prohibiting the export of both civilian and military goods, such as auto parts. The European Union introduces identical sanctions against Russia. And here it is: Iranian drones with Canadian engines are a nightmare for Ukraine, for which the entire European Union stands up.

Canada makes excuses and tries to shift the blame onto the Austrians. Say, since the engines were manufactured in Austria, they are not subject to Canadian export rules, but to the export control of the European Union, and the fact that Canadians run Rotax does not mean anything at all, it is the Austrians who sell the engines.

In Austria itself, they are trying their best to figure out the intricacies of the sanctions sets, if only in order to justify themselves at a minimum. The press secretary of the Austrian Ministry of Labor and Economy, Alexandra Perl, said that it is not entirely clear how Rotax 912 fits into the sanctions rules, and to what extent it can even be recognized as a dual-use product.

It is clear that the guilty will now be appointed, but no one wants to sit on this bench. Not the Americans, not the Canadians, not the Austrians. But - will have to.

Even such assumptions were used that Iranian UAVs were used ... stolen engines!

In general, such a horse move is interesting, indeed, over the past 25 years, the theft of about 150 Rotax engines of the 912 and 914 series has been officially recognized.

A good excuse, of course, but more than 400 Tehraneks have already been fired in Ukraine alone.

And then there is such a thing with Mohajer-6 ...


BRP-Rotax has stated that their engines are not military-grade and that they are "not listed as dual-use".

Wonderful. That's just the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, trying to bring down the "moped", this does not make it any easier. And "Mavik" was also created by no means for participation in hostilities, but he does it so famously ...

BRP in general and Rotax in particular have a problem: on the one hand, the companies are shouting out loud that their engines are “manufactured, designed and certified for civilian use only by the appropriate civil regulatory body”, on the other hand, what about Heron and “ Predator"? Yes, and “Bayraktar”, this is such a peaceful drone, working on delivery ...

It would be nice for all participants in the scandal to try to pass off the branded "Rotax" as an unlicensed copy, but the trouble is - in addition to the engine, there is someone to put forward claims. Radio equipment, cameras, servos… Very well-known names such as the American HITEC or the Japanese Panasonic flash by.

It is clear that no one directly gave permission to sell Iran and Russia engines, cameras, communication systems, servo drives and everything else. We are simply silent about chips, microcircuits are a separate conversation. But what about in Iran, that we have few fools, because what is needed, but what is not there, must be mined at any cost, especially since one can stand up for it, the price.

Canadian concern press release: “We have become aware of the alleged use of Rotax engines or counterfeit engines in certain specific situations involving Iranian Mohajer-6 drones in conflict zones. We take this situation very seriously. BRP has not authorized or given any permission to its distributors to supply military UAVs to manufacturers in Iran or Russia.”

And yet, the engines and everything else went a little bit not where the European Union wants. And the Rotax found in the Mohajer-6 shot down over the Black Sea is the best proof of this.

Here, of course, CNN hurried, showing the Canadian-Austrian engine, Japanese cameras, a Swiss laser rangefinder and everything else. As it is, hurry up.

“These are mostly civilian components, they are not considered military goods, but Ukrainian intelligence expects that information about their origin may make it difficult for Iran to access these components,” the MIL.IN.UA. article says.

Here the Ukrainians are right. What is the point of blaming Iran and Russia for getting what they need? The question is not, it's like an alcoholic, if he needs to find an invigorating liquid to improve his health after a hangover, he will show miracles of ingenuity, but he will get it.

Here, too, the same is true: it is not the fault of the one who bought it, but the one who sold it. And you can puff as much as you like in the direction of Russia and Iran, but first of all, your own Western hucksters-capitalists are to blame, selling their products to those who are supposedly forbidden to sell.

Yes, the market. Yes, the triumph of capital. Yes, the resourcefulness of the same Iranians is possible, using any means to obtain the components they need. But first of all, these are the Rotax dealers themselves, who sell engines around the world.

You can talk a lot about cunning and deceit, about front companies, about thefts from warehouses (I looked at the statistics of thefts - not serious) ... Yes, engines are stolen all over the world, but not in such quantities. For one stolen, there will definitely be several hundred honestly bought ones. Or almost honestly.

Considering what a chic reputation Rotax engines have, how popular they are, it is understandable that the secondary market is also crowded. There is where to roam, since the same "Shahed" flies once, then you can put a used engine in, right?

And then there is the black market...


Iran, on the other hand, is well known for having entire networks of industrial spies and huckster spies who work tirelessly to circumvent sanctions and acquire various military and dual-use technologies. Well, here we are, by the way, and North Korea is also not far behind. But in general, Iran has many options to get its hands on Rotax engines, no matter how opposed the EU.

Maybe the example of an alcoholic was not very correct, but then he remembered his Soviet childhood, when the “cool” guys who smoked got cigarettes for themselves. There was, as it were, no particular legislative ban, but they simply did not sell aunts in kiosks. So in each area there was a "own" man who bought.

Roughly the same in the world. There will be someone who will buy everything you need for a commission, and it will be very difficult to prove that this is an intermediary between Rotax and Iran, given the spread of light-engine aviation and UAV.

Therefore, it is not at all clear whether Rotax and Panasonic will be able to do something that will be able to eradicate today and prevent tomorrow Iran's purchase of the components it needs.

In my opinion, this is a war on windmills, and it is impossible to block the purchase by Iran and all other necessary parts for the production of weapons.

But this stories there will definitely be a sequel. The wave raised by CNN has already hit the BRP quite well (the first time was because of the engines on the Bayraktars in the Karabakh conflict), it's up to the rest. And this process will go on, if only because the guilty must, if not found, then appointed. After all, in fact, the process of curbing Iran with sanctions somehow didn’t work out. And with Russia, not everything is so simple.

Based on:
https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/iran/2023/01/05/iran-drone-shot-down-in-ukraine-contained-parts-from-13-us-companies-report-says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Tk4WcHAUU&t
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  1. +6
    12 January 2023 05: 26
    In general, "Shahed-136" is an outrageously simple thing. Ukrainian specialists counted only 52 details.

    Interesting count. Apparently they thought so - Motor - 1 piece, blades -3 pieces .......
    Here it turns out that something else is not produced here, and not even in Iran, but in Canada.
    1. +9
      12 January 2023 05: 46
      Rather, Roman did not put it right ... not details, but knots winked the same wi-fi module ... it seems to be a detail, but it seems to be a node hi
      1. +4
        12 January 2023 05: 54
        This pebble is more likely not for the author's garden, but for those who consider it.
      2. +2
        16 January 2023 15: 01
        The author simply showed with his finger that there is no import substitution. Everything is entirely imported. And there is absolutely nothing funny or humorous about it.
    2. +10
      12 January 2023 07: 54
      Quote: YOUR
      Here it turns out that something else is not produced here, and not even in Iran, but in Canada.

      The most interesting thing is that, based on the article, nothing has been produced in Iran itself, but simply assembly + the project itself takes place. It's about living under sanctions. The Iranians have not learned any import substitution during this time, they just developed gray supply chains
      1. 0
        12 January 2023 08: 39
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: YOUR
        Here it turns out that something else is not produced here, and not even in Iran, but in Canada.

        The most interesting thing is that, based on the article, nothing has been produced in Iran itself, but simply assembly + the project itself takes place. It's about living under sanctions. The Iranians have not learned any import substitution during this time, they just developed gray supply chains

        This is actually even more difficult, since large volumes of gray purchases can raise questions, you immediately need to consider several replacement options, etc., etc. ... another question is why everyone is praying for these “geraniums” ... in fact, there is very little use for 4 months of use, the volume of supplies equipment to the enemy (strikes seem to be delivered in order to complicate logistics) are only growing, and the plans are generally grandiose ...
        1. -2
          12 January 2023 11: 27
          Quote: parma
          This is actually even more difficult, since large volumes of gray purchases can raise questions, you need to immediately consider several replacement options, etc., etc. ...
          It’s more difficult for managers, but here the question is in their production hi
          1. +5
            12 January 2023 12: 01
            The most difficult thing about this is the guidance system. As a child, he was engaged in aircraft modeling, they built airplanes themselves. The engine and guidance system, the rest is nonsense. Nonsense if yes if there was production.
        2. -3
          12 January 2023 16: 56
          So the goals were different. The goal was to raise the rating of one general and they did it. If for this it was necessary to declare something a miracle as a weapon, then for journalists and PR people this is not a problem. But now everyone will quickly forget about "mopeds".
      2. +4
        12 January 2023 11: 13
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        and what kind of import substitution the Iranians have not learned during this time, they just developed gray supply chains

        Did you draw such a conclusion from a single article? The fact that they are building warships in volumes larger than the Russian Federation, this says something, that ours ... I don’t even know what to call them, they are ready to import foreign cars from Iran, just not to make their own, the same textiles, oil equipment. And we import everything. We froze the construction of the Amur GPP, the reason for the refusal of South Korea to sell equipment. To go nuts Yu. Korea is apparently an oil tycoon since such equipment produces
        1. +4
          12 January 2023 11: 26
          Quote: YOUR
          Did you draw such a conclusion from a single article? The fact that they are building warships in volumes greater than the Russian Federation is what it says, what ours ...
          Will you provide a link? Regarding the comparison of the construction of warships with us and with them? I have big doubts about this
          1. +2
            13 January 2023 04: 10
            Too many links. In the search engine, type Iranian Navy, and you will be happy
        2. -1
          12 January 2023 18: 25
          Iranian foreign cars - this seems to be a very old Peugeot. Which they somehow managed to continue to produce at an already finished plant. Approximately like "Zhiguli" in the USSR.
        3. +1
          12 January 2023 18: 27
          South Korea is a developed Western country. No worse than others. And the industry there is appropriate. They also make tanks, fighters and ships. If anything.
      3. Aag
        +3
        12 January 2023 19: 14
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: YOUR
        Here it turns out that something else is not produced here, and not even in Iran, but in Canada.

        The most interesting thing is that, based on the article, nothing has been produced in Iran itself, but simply assembly + the project itself takes place. It's about living under sanctions. The Iranians have not learned any import substitution during this time, they just developed gray supply chains

        But in our country, at least, in the necessary volumes, will they be able to?
      4. +3
        12 January 2023 22: 58
        If you believe everything they say...
        "...do not read newspapers...especially at night..."
        In Iran, all the main "small things" have long been produced, the same Rotaxes. Moreover, it is the old models that have not been in the original for a long time.
    3. -1
      12 January 2023 10: 13
      blades -3 pieces

      ... screw - 1 pc, fuselage - 1 pc, planes - 2 pcs, ... Probably so
  2. +5
    12 January 2023 05: 37
    "Panikovsky will buy and sell you all. He will buy again and sell again, but at a higher price..."
  3. +17
    12 January 2023 05: 47
    And where is our Russian counterpart Rotax 912 (914) - the APD-110/120 engine from Agat? It seems to have been presented at exhibitions for a long time!
    1. +12
      12 January 2023 06: 29
      I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same licensed rotax.
      1. +3
        12 January 2023 06: 56
        No APD-110/120 is not a licensed Rotax, just variations on a theme. It would be much better if they didn’t get smart, but simply copied the Rotax gearbox. In short, they overdid it a little.
        1. +9
          12 January 2023 08: 36
          Drawing is not easy at all. For this, it is not enough to "just" measure. The technology will still be made by ourselves, and it will be made for the equipment that already exists or can be obtained. What is technologically advanced for the Austrians may turn out to be very non-technological for Russian production without significant investment.
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            1. +1
              12 January 2023 18: 54
              I had to pay! It's just a simple ransomware trick.
        2. +5
          12 January 2023 14: 34
          The trouble is that for domestic engines, the specific power is less than 1 kW / kg, and for limbs - more than 2 kW / kg. For aviation, this is a decisive moment.
    2. +12
      12 January 2023 06: 50
      It seems to have been presented at exhibitions for a long time!
      Yes, we had a lot of things presented at exhibitions ...
  4. +6
    12 January 2023 05: 52
    again it's a shame for the country! Well, we cannot currently produce something worthwhile on our own, only from our own parts. Why? The answer is obvious...
    1. +7
      12 January 2023 06: 09
      Quote from: miry_mir
      again it's a shame for the country! well, we cannot currently produce something worthwhile on our own,

      But in the USSR they could. An analogue of rotax was installed on Buran RMZ-640. You can try to put a forced turbocharged version on Geranium.
      1. +1
        12 January 2023 06: 58
        How easy it is for you. Have you tried to put TKR on a 2-cylinder 2-stroke?
    2. +1
      12 January 2023 18: 56
      Yes, we can do everything, but there are too many co-authors, and this infuriates.
  5. +6
    12 January 2023 05: 53
    A very superficial analysis, the main problem is that now, in the form of repentance, Canadian and Austrian companies will be assigned to supply UAV components to the outskirts, for self-assembly. And the article also justifies the inaction of the Russian military-industrial complex - like "we will buy everything again despite the sanctions."
    1. +14
      12 January 2023 07: 09
      There was an article about how our company, the manufacturer of UAVs and motors for them, was "cut down" by the Ministry of Defense because of the low cost of the product. You see, there is nothing to cut the budget on. I know this company, I worked for them as a "subchik" on this topic. As long as everything is run by "super managers", HSE graduates, it will be so. People are just making money. Yesterday we saw how Manturov and Putin "dive". In today's Russia and Tsarist Russia, there were problems with the supply of equipment and weapons for one simple reason, the exorbitant greed of the capitalists. So do not rely on a solution to the issue of the normal supply of the army and industry. Our hucksters take as an example the American hucksters when those $2 hammers were sold to the Pentagon for $100. There are a lot of such examples. Our situation is exactly the same, I worked on special topics, I know the issues of pricing by the main contractors. Capitalism, mother.
      1. +12
        12 January 2023 08: 43
        Rostec can be considered a "capitalist enterprise" with a very big stretch. Americans make a hammer for 2 bucks, then sell it for 100, but it's quite functional, like a hammer. And we are promised a hammer for 30 bucks, but they ask for 30 bucks every year, as a result, no money, no hammer. This is already something else. They are really hammers, not only do they not know how, but they don’t want to learn, and they don’t let others. I'm afraid there is only one way to deal with this in Russia. But it is hardly possible now. To do this, it is not the president who should reprimand Manturov in a fatherly way, but completely different people from another department with other "methods" of work.
        1. +9
          12 January 2023 09: 37
          Quote: Dimax-Nemo
          But it is hardly possible now. To do this, it is not the president who should reprimand Manturov in a fatherly way, but completely different people from another department with other "methods" of work.

          The problem is that these "people from another department" of those $ 30 for the development of the hammer get a good half.
        2. Aag
          0
          12 January 2023 19: 32
          "Scarlets"?
          I don't mind... On the one hand.
          But, at that time (SVO), when some of the deputies are resting (from what?!), and the "electrate" is dying, - ... Sorry ...
      2. +3
        12 January 2023 18: 31
        So is capitalism in the West. What does not prevent (or rather, helps) to produce the widest range of both civilian and military equipment.
      3. +3
        12 January 2023 20: 39
        such a liberal HSE student graduates and gets a job in the defense industry with a penny salary and total corruption. end of story.
        1. +2
          13 January 2023 11: 48
          And what for he is needed in the defense industry with its "high school economics". With a smart look, these figures can only direct "financial flows" wherever they like. They don't tell a bolt from a nut. Solid marketers, sociologists and other psychologists. They do not know at all what engineering technology is, what Sapromat, TMM, Machine parts and other technical disciplines are. Untalented and technical amateurs are put in charge of entire industries. In industry, in addition to economics and accounting, there are a lot of technical disciplines that the general from production, that is, the minister and vice prime minister, must know. CBO showed the whole price to a large number of our so-called top managers. As they were clerks, so they remained clerks. If we want to survive and survive as a state, we need to do something about it.
  6. -3
    12 January 2023 07: 54
    the problem is that out of 52 parts, 40 are not made in Iran. And not even in China, which would be understandable and forgivable. They are American. Moreover, not one of some traitor companies, 13 American companies worked on the components! The remaining 12 parts have a distinct trail leading to Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Thailand and China.

    Like Raikin: “Who sewed the suit? - We!!!".
    . So the localization of the production of the necessary components on its territory is a natural and necessary process, in the current conditions ...
    It will be so in the end.
    And the firms "apostates" will be left with a nose, without attendants, which in the current conditions will not benefit them.
  7. +8
    12 January 2023 08: 18
    The Iranian military-industrial complex is an example of the highest degree of patriotism, and the Iranians have long understood that they have no one to rely on except them. I would like most of our officials to also move from personal enrichment, to the wealth of the country and the people, but probably until the enemy hits them on the head with a rifle butt, they will not understand.
    1. +2
      12 January 2023 18: 33
      You would take an interest in the scale of corruption in Iran or something.
      1. 0
        16 January 2023 14: 10
        Isn't it really the dodgy Persian corrupt officials who profit from the Iranian budget more than honest lobbyists from the Senate and the US Congress who absolutely legally earn money on the budget of the Pentagon and not only?...
        You would be interested in the scale and order of budget figures in Iran and the United States or something ...
        When did you take the exam?
  8. +2
    12 January 2023 08: 23
    The capitalist himself will sell us a rope, on which we will hang him later (C) ..... however, it turns out that Rotaxes in China or Iran are either not made at all, or the quality is much worse than the original.
  9. +9
    12 January 2023 09: 40
    "And the problem is that out of 52 parts, 40 are not made in Iran. They are American. The remaining 12 parts have a distinct trace leading to Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Thailand and China."
    Kapets! Russian industry finds itself in such an opera. Not a single detail from Russia! This is the result of 20 years of rule. How many examples still need to be cited so that people understand - mediocrity rules!
    "The black sheep spoiled the whole herd" - there is such a saying.
    1. -2
      12 January 2023 17: 00
      And what should Russian parts do in an Iranian UAV?
  10. +9
    12 January 2023 09: 44
    IMHO, it's all little things...
    CNN is their profession, making news.
    And so in the yard of capitalism. Pay - and they will bring you both motors and non-motors.
    Although Vaughn recently published an article on trade with Ukraine here ...
    We are also in NATO - oil. They go to Ukraine from it - gasoline and solarium. And nothing...
  11. +7
    12 January 2023 10: 47
    In my opinion, the author's joyful irony about the scandal in the "noble" family is completely unjustified. But what if they tense up and close the shop? What will be good for us? So fervently and mockingly, you can broadcast if the author is sure that no one will take control of the sale of components, but if this happens, then we have other working options. Otherwise, there is nothing to rejoice at, if only because we cannot do it ourselves. If it turned out that 100% of the components are Russian, then this would be a reason for joy and irony over the enemy.
  12. +1
    12 January 2023 10: 52
    During WWII, American companies supplied various equipment to Nazi Germany, so why not supply components for UAVs to Iran .. War, war, and business itself ..
    1. +1
      12 January 2023 23: 54
      Then there were the same "gray schemes".
      Delivered to Spain for what they not entered into an open union
      with Hitler and did not let German troops into Africa through
      its territory.
      And the Spaniards resold American goods to the Germans.
  13. +1
    12 January 2023 11: 09
    This is how unhealthy sensations arise.
    Both Rotax and Limbach from shahid mopeds, and even more so various electronics are consumer goods, it is impossible to trace them. But the Ukrainians with CNN are right of course - getting one part somewhere is one thing, but supporting mass production is another. So the actions of manufacturers in this direction can, if not exclude, then complicate the work.
  14. +2
    12 January 2023 12: 52
    Read "The Predatory Things of the Century" by the Strugatsky Brothers ..... a similar thing is described there.
    What is more difficult is Geranium or Samsung / LJ Washing Machine, you still need to argue. Civilian "brains" to manage all this shaft, it is not possible to control this.
    Only Rotax surprises - for some reason there are no similar piston ICEs and competitors ?!
  15. +3
    12 January 2023 12: 53
    Not those times.
    No awl in a bag will last long.
    Be it a nuclear project, stealth, hypersound.
    As Comrade said. Lenin: "You can become a communist only when you enrich your memory with the knowledge of all those riches that mankind has developed."
    As it turned out, everyone in the world wants to become communists: the Americans want to communize hypersound, we are all sorts of controllers for three washing or freezing modes, Iranians want rotaxes, North Koreans want something from Yuzhmash.
    The Chinese do not bother at all, from Abibas and Povasonic to AL-31.
    Exceptions are rather surprising: beaten and plundered in the last centuries of existence, Byzantium took with it the secret of Greek fire, which was successfully used, among other things, against Russian squads. Or the secret of Damascus steel, held for centuries.
    But that is then.
    Everything is faster now.
    Another question is that not every state can handle a nuclear or, especially, a space program.
    1. -2
      12 January 2023 13: 40
      As it turned out - everyone in the world wants to become communists: the Americans want ...

      What? Lenin had in the form of general scientific knowledge of the world. If people know and understand world history, the laws of the universe and strict mathematical laws - by appealing to this knowledge, people can build a world of a new quality.
      And you probably thought about the fact that he offered to copy all the technologies .... My God! Did you understand what you wrote yourself?
      1. +2
        12 January 2023 18: 06
        You don't need to copy anything. The pioneers in the return of tsarism, after the USSR, expressed themselves that nothing needs to be done and there is no need to steal when you need to buy everything. In general, the Capitalists acted with today's Russia as in that fairy tale, they told the wolf that you can easily catch fish with your tail, you just need to lower the tail into the wormwood and just have time to get it. As you know, the tail grabbed, and the wolf was left without a tail. And of course, the new Russian parents read this fairy tale in childhood, but they thought that the method was suitable and the people of Russia would do it instead of them, and they would only shoot the fish. But the fish does not bite into what the Russians have, not into any. The West explained to them why. Now the authorities are thinking why and how they did not know this.
    2. -1
      12 January 2023 18: 37
      Almost anyone. These are 70 year old technologies. Even North Korea has already mastered it.
  16. +5
    12 January 2023 13: 36
    Why are they surprised? Isn't the freedom of market relations the creed of modern liberalism? Nothing personal - just business!

    Well, yes, they (liberals), like naive idealists, believe that business in freedom will not try to make money by selling goods to just anyone, if only they would pay. Modern liberals are quite naive (although it is not to say that the first liberals were less naive). Now they have to build a mine of surprise for the people, so that the people would not even think about the fact that they have long known about the tricks of their business. Very convenient and long-established scheme.

    The country's leadership is indignant in front of the TV, but says that "well, it's not us, but the companies screwed up." And the companies, in turn, say "We just traded in ordinary goods, we could not even think that they were being used for bad purposes." And in the end, no one is to blame. And the products, as they came from the company, continue to come. On the other hand, they hung noodles on the ears of the population that "we are not to blame, we were framed, we are honest"!

    But the most interesting thing is that if we look at the weapons and equipment that the Armed Forces of Ukraine equip, then we will find a trace of a greedy business there. Namely, domestic. I am more than sure that the equipment currently being transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine includes, at a minimum, fuel and spare parts for weapons - our own production. those. our big business profits just as much from the war as Western business. And the ordinary population suffers, which for decades have been pitted against each other.

    People were pitted on ethnic grounds. Although in fact different nations are not very different from each other. These are almost always ordinary citizens who simply want the safety of their families and guarantees for a peaceful future. On the other hand, those in power and the big capital associated with them are always in a competitive struggle between the same bourgeois in other regions and countries. Usually a trade war (who will kill a larger market for goods and sign more profitable trade agreements). But if the trade struggle does not bring results, they switch to political methods of pressure (after all, everyone who is in and around the leadership still wants to make a profit). And if the political methods of struggle do not work, they turn to the military.

    Ordinary citizens do not need war - but capital needs it!
  17. +1
    12 January 2023 15: 09
    "What's the point of blaming Iran and Russia for getting what they need? The question is not, it's like an alcoholic, if he needs to find an invigorating liquid to improve his health after a hangover, he will show miracles of ingenuity, but he will get it." He compared Russia with an alcoholic .... it's okay ... you can't say anything. Here we just began to drink several times less ... But with the brains of the people ... yes ..... I didn’t put it quite accurately .... That's just who is so smart in our country who has deprived the country of self-sufficiency? And it’s good that in this difficult situation we somehow find the missing somewhere ... But how long can this go on? There are two options - create your own and destroy the enemy .. But here trouble, we have no opponents, only partners ....
    1. +2
      12 January 2023 15: 31
      It still amuses me, why should Iran be embarrassed to sell something to the Russian Federation? Shahid - BR and not CR .... although they can also not be shy. They themselves led the UN sanctions to a dead end and imposed sanctions against the Russian Federation. Strange people with inflamed imagination.
      Already the law on prohibition would have been issued on stamped paper.
  18. +3
    12 January 2023 15: 56
    Didn't they calculate the cost? And then at one time they furiously drowned here that this Chinese craft costs us a ridiculous amount. It doesn't look like a ridiculous amount.
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 18: 25
      Why do something, if you can buy everything, even gasoline can be bought there, because there is no one of your own.
  19. 0
    12 January 2023 16: 18
    Quote: YOUR
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    and what kind of import substitution the Iranians have not learned during this time, they just developed gray supply chains

    Did you draw such a conclusion from a single article? The fact that they are building warships in volumes larger than the Russian Federation, this says something, that ours ... I don’t even know what to call them, they are ready to import foreign cars from Iran, just not to make their own, the same textiles, oil equipment. And we import everything. We froze the construction of the Amur GPP, the reason for the refusal of South Korea to sell equipment. To go nuts Yu. Korea is apparently an oil tycoon since such equipment produces

    And here again Manturov ....
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 24
      The key word is hardware. If there are no machines, there is no equipment. Why we are slaughtered for production, I don’t understand.
  20. -1
    12 January 2023 17: 20
    yeah, understandable. i.e., the Iranians have not mastered and are riveting their drones from Western components (in vain they set them as an example to ours). and west, if necessary, the faucet can block. what it will do now. so our "geraniums" cried
  21. 0
    12 January 2023 19: 22
    Unfortunately, we ourselves do not make most of the geranium ((
  22. 0
    12 January 2023 23: 39
    Stirlitz around the world and it's good!
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  24. 0
    14 January 2023 01: 23
    Quote: Max1995
    IMHO, it's all little things...
    CNN is their profession, making news.
    And so in the yard of capitalism. Pay - and they will bring you both motors and non-motors.
    Although Vaughn recently published an article on trade with Ukraine here ...
    We are also in NATO - oil. They go to Ukraine from it - gasoline and solarium. And nothing...


    - .... maybe that's why * transportation * communications from the Polish, Romanian and other borders on the territory of Ukraine have "protective letters" from Russian missile attacks ...?
  25. 0
    14 January 2023 23: 41
    Is this really a scandal, here Russia is at war with NATO THIS IS A SCANDAL
  26. 0
    16 January 2023 10: 24
    it's amazing that anyone believes anything americans said
    maybe they think we are stupid but same American were saying the profe of Iranian involvement in attack on Saudi is the fact the component of drone made by brand that only work in Iran
    but now after years telling us this are photoshoped now they cant hide behind their propaganda and deny effects of Iranian drone and to coping with disability to intercept them with anything west had
    they come out and want to take the credit and the fact that only western countries in that list should tell you alot
    iran made 100 present of the drone and years ago reverse engineered of sevaral engine from piston to turbofan
    i put some pictures of Iranian made engine and Iranian made semiconductor and not ordinary semiconductor thats a computer cpu
    so you tell me what do you need from this arrogant west
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  27. -1
    16 January 2023 15: 20
    I always wonder from such articles - why are they written? People are apparently 30 years behind the times and don’t know that the Soviet Union with its sovereign factories collapsed a long time ago, and we have been living for a long time, whether someone likes it or not, under capitalism, entering the WTO, which includes many: Almost all. And the WTO is a world, I repeat, a world trade organization. And one of the principles of the WTO is outsourcing, and by no means a combine. You must organize in your country the production of something better than anyone and trade it with the "world". That is why it is global. At the same time, due to the profits coming from the global trade in civilian goods, the civilian industry has long outstripped the military in terms of science intensity, and now the military orders all sorts of goods from civilians, which suddenly after that turn out to be dual-use goods. Yesterday it was an engine for a moped or a motor boat made on the knee, and today it is already an engine for a cool drone stuffed with explosives. Yesterday you sold a million JPS trackers for tracking the route of sausage trucks and key fobs for apartment keys, and then it turns out that a thousand of these circuit boards were built into cruise missiles. An unexpected surprise. And wow, despite the fact that the import of something into a certain country is prohibited, the military departments of these countries found an extra million in the budget to buy it for their military needs in 52 countries of the world, of which the export of sanctioned countries is prohibited. Moreover, they bought it quickly, and did not begin to deploy a scientific base at home, then a complex production line for the production of all this at home. Just after the conveyor they mold the label "made by us". Guys, well, you either cover the WTO, or stop being surprised at morning sunrises and evening sunsets. I understand that now it is not possible for everyone to prove that the Earth is round, but can somehow study the world around us more in order to understand some obvious things? For example, I recommend trying to track the entire chain of appearance in your exclusively Chinese xiaomi, well, or exclusively American iPhone of the appearance of the central processor. Be surprised, but there will be China and Britain, with the USA and the Netherlands and Germany and many more in one small piece of silicon oxide film. Well, or catch Belarusian shrimp. Well, this is how the world works now.
  28. 0
    16 January 2023 16: 30
    If "Geranium" is thoroughly imported, then it was necessary to do good self-destruction.