The repair plant needed by the front went under the hammer for metal

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The repair plant needed by the front went under the hammer for metal

Despite all the arguments and requests of the committee for the rescue of the plant, headed by the former director, Colonel Alexander Shinkarenko, the 9th CARZ was sold for its further disposal.

Let's start with an article on the Military Review, which was read by almost a million people and which caused a strong reaction.
Why GABTU does not want to repair military equipment? Yes, the web archive because we had to pull the article from publication.



What started next?


Then there was a wave raised by several media and Saratov TV channels, the governor of the Saratov region Roman Busargin stood up for the plant, it came to Moscow.

In general, everything was quite joyful and promising: the governor was “for” the revival of the plant, these are jobs, this is money for the budget, in general, everyone who fought for CARH No. 9 noted the active and positive work of Roman Busargin. He raised the deputies of the State Duma, the deputies got involved in the work, there was a meeting with Volodin, who promised to support fellow countrymen (Volodin himself was a native of the Saratov region) and kept his word.

On November 1, 2022, State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin meets with Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov.


Many people talked about this, it’s enough for us that State Duma deputy Nikolai Pankov wrote in his telegram channel and another deputy, Alexander Strelyukhin, whom Volodin appointed to oversee the issues of CARZ No. 9 and the locomotive plant, gave an interview in which he said:

Vyacheslav Viktorovich instructed to take this topic into work. Grateful for the trust. She is very close to me, she worked as a director at the Locomotive Plant, she is also well acquainted with the activities of the 9th CARZ. Ready to work for results.


What Volodin and Chemezov were talking about, we will never know. And the result was as follows: in the fire order, CARZ No. 9 was sold.

But before that, following the results of the meeting, a commission was sent to the plant, headed by a representative of KamAZ JSC Petrushenko D.V., Remdiesel employees took part in the commission.

The commission, having visited the plant, presented a report from which it followed that there was nothing at the plant except for two drunken guards and three dogs. The information was received by the initiator of the revival of the plant, Colonel Shinkarenko, from the representative of JSC "High Precision Complexes" Ryazantsev, who was also contacted with the issue of taking CARZ No. 9 under his wing. Ryazantsev was surprised when Shinkarenko presented him with documents showing the presence instead of one plant TWO, since CARZ No. 9 also has a branch in the city of Samara, the former 16th ARZ. And five hundred items of equipment and property.



In general - not only walls.

JSC "NPO High Precision Complexes" did not believe the reports of "KamAZ" and sent its commission, headed by A.V. Shevtsov. True, "Complexes" would need a plant with high-tech machines for the production of spare parts, therefore it did not grow together with the VTK, to our great regret.

Real estate sales


And on December 30.12.2022, 1, information was published (Appendix 9) that JSC "XNUMX CARH" was sold to a private entrepreneur from Tver, Zaitsev Nikolai Kirillovich.


IP Zaitsev Nikolai Kirillovich was registered on March 14, 2022.


It is difficult to judge how the declared retail trade via the Internet was carried out by IE Zaitsev, apparently to the envy of many, because Zaitsev laid out the 245 rubles 035 kopecks offered by him as the only bidder for the plant.

However, it follows from the text that IP Zaitsev acts in the interests of Engelssky Metal LLC (clause 6 on sheet No. 2).



As follows from the site, the company does not repair equipment. And the plant acquires solely in order to destroy it. For Engels Metall has been operating in the market of ferrous and non-ferrous metals since 2018 and is part of the financial and industrial group of companies.
Dismantling of metal structures, buildings and structures is an integral part of the process of selling rolled metal, harvesting and processing scrap. EM has a lot of experience in this area.”


And as last year, the girls from the press service of RT-Capital assured me ... How they try to find a buyer for a completely unnecessary and unprofitable plant in such a way as to save and increase, continue operation, and so on.

The plant was sold for subsequent destruction. If you follow link No. 1, then there, in the text of the document, you can see a link to a list of everything that is included in the lot.


And there you can see more than 400 positions. Buildings, machinery, machines, cranes... It's worth taking a look at the list to see how it fits "blank walls".

The initial price of Lot No. 1 is 288 rubles. IP Zaitsev offered 274 rubles on December 901,40, 23.12.2022, and his offer was accepted immediately (December 245, 035), as a protocol was drawn up, certified by both the seal and the electronic signature of the auction organizer.

And this is where the questions begin.


According to the certificate submitted to the governor of the Saratov region, the authorized capital of JSC "9 CARZ" together with a branch in Samara is 817 million rubles.

Accounts payable is: 1 rubles. Huge number, but
- debt to the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation - 738 rubles;
- debt to the State Corporation "RosTech" - 450 rubles;
- the share of other creditors accounts for 21 rubles.

It turns out that the amount offered for the liquidation of the plant is about a fifth of the entire debt.

The plant, which could be repaired according to a certificate signed by Colonel Alexander Shinkarenko, the capacity of the plant, even after they were reviewed by the bankruptcy trustee, remained such that it would be possible to repair up to 300 BMP-1 or BMP-2 vehicles a year when working in one shift and 450-500 machines when working in two shifts.

Shinkarenko is sure that it is realistic to equip the plant to work in two shifts. And then the combat vehicles can be repaired at a small distance from the front line.

Let's take the railway junction of the Likhaya station as a point of departure, as a place capable of loading equipment onto platforms with maximum speed and convenience and having the ability to send equipment to different regions of the country.

From Likhoi to Engels by rail about 650 km. Let's look at the factories that will be able to repair the same infantry fighting vehicles.

The nearest one is 163 BTRZ in st. Kushchevskaya, Krasnodar Territory. But this relatively new repair plant (2009) is a structural subdivision of Uralvagonzavod, that is, it is focused primarily on Tanks.

Next, we have the 114th BTRZ in the city of Yekaterinburg. Almost 2000 km from Likhoi.

And the last place is 560 armored personnel carriers in the village of Vozzhaevka, Belogorsk district, Amur region. About 6 km.

For certain reasons (government order for the production of new equipment), we do not even consider KurganMashZavod.

Obviously, the plant in Engels could save just a lot of money and (which is no less important) time on transporting broken equipment to the place of repair.

Oh yes, I forgot. We will build two new repair plants! And in a couple of years they will definitely build it.

***


I am very grateful to fate for giving me the opportunity to at least somehow help real people with a capital letter - the council of veterans of the 9th CARZ, headed by a real officer. Comrade Colonel Alexander Shinkarenko will forever remain for me an example of honor and service to his army. I was very glad to be in the same trench with him.

And I am very happy for the residents of the Saratov region, who have such a governor. Roman Busargin is an example of how to rush into battle for the interests of your region. Unfortunately, even the powers and capabilities of the governor are not enough.

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  1. +106
    3 January 2023 05: 20
    Someone else is surprised at this, corruption has completely grown into the veins of Russian officials, they make money even under the threat of a war with NATO. And then they will fall out of the country, and I forgot their capital, then not here
    1. +14
      3 January 2023 05: 36
      Quote from: prosto_jose
      I forgot their capital is not here

      And there the partners will rip them off like sticky!
      1. +17
        3 January 2023 12: 44
        But they won’t understand this in any way (they think money will decide everything
        1. +40
          3 January 2023 13: 24
          Quote: Maksim_ms
          But they won't understand it

          And the Government lives on another planet. In order to fly to the government and the GDP, you need to have a gravitsappa ... native! This is you and me on the Continental Shelf (read the sea bottom - the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation) and still do not understand the extent of this bottom.
          What will be surprised? Everything is done correctly. The current and medium repairs of damaged equipment (accumulated in the SPPM) should be done by the corresponding repair units, which do not exist. NO in the required number of PARMs, MRS, MTO, MZA, MRM and other equipment for repair. Greetings to the hero of Russia Bulgakov.
          EVERYTHING has been transferred to the direct support of the Center, in violation of the basic principles of logistics and technical support. And here is the time to sell the repair plants!
          And the one who thinks that people there simply do not understand what they are doing, such as just corruption, is a naive person. War is coming!
          1. +17
            3 January 2023 15: 17
            The icing on the cake is the complete inaction of the FSB and other very terrible services.
            1. +20
              4 January 2023 13: 02
              Well, the FSB is not even a shadow of the KGB.
              One semblance of security.
              After the "famous" race of graduates of the FSB school on heliks, it is clear what their "values" and concepts of state security are...
              1. +4
                5 January 2023 01: 05
                each problem has a last name, first name and patronymic
                (C)

                Until the problems are planted, the problems will multiply
                1. +3
                  5 January 2023 01: 17
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  Until problems are planted

                  Even planting will not help, only shooting.
                2. +8
                  5 January 2023 13: 41
                  Whom to plant? Who to shoot? Kuma? A classmate? A drinking buddy in the bath in his youth? All around are their own ... but they don’t hand over their own. We Russians are not our own, we can be scrapped, but for those who are very indignant there are clubs and casemates. That they have already forgotten the answer to the direct question of BB, when they say they will put the red devil, the answer was direct .... I don't sell mine!
          2. -3
            5 January 2023 15: 47
            Current and medium repairs of damaged equipment (accumulated in SPPM) should be done by the appropriate repair units, which are NOT

            I would not judge the need to restore the repair plant only by the article and by emotions. Firstly, it is worth looking at whether there is really nowhere to repair equipment? Are you sure? For example, I have never read anywhere that we have thousands of units of unrepaired equipment. Where are these fields filled with faulty tanks and other equipment? I read another that, for example, they are modernizing T-62 tanks. And there are production facilities for this. Will someone in their right mind work with the T-62 if there is no way to restore the T-72 and T-90? - the answer is obvious.
            And only people who have not seen real production can talk about the repair plant as if only money is needed to restore it in order to prevent bankruptcy. Do you know what is the most valuable thing in any production? Walls? Machine tools? - by no means, as it is not banal - shots. And the plant, which has not been operating for many years, is in a pre-bankruptcy state, has long lost its entire human resource. I saw such "virtual" factories :(((
        2. -10
          3 January 2023 19: 20
          Cheap order! We wanted to write an investigative article, we could take our ass off the chair and go and look at this "factory". And to judge only by the oral statements of the former director, who first brought the plant to bankruptcy, and now decided to master the budget for its restoration on the sly.
          In general, the article is the bottom of journalism. It's embarrassing to post this.
          1. -5
            4 January 2023 15: 51
            I support! Commentators have little idea of ​​what an abandoned plant is. That the equipment has long been worn out, morally and physically obsolete! And the fact that it is 100% not without the participation of Shinkarenko, everything suitable has long been sold. Restoring such a production is not covering the roof with corrugated board and inserting windows This restoration will cost a pretty penny and may take more than one year. It is easier to transfer these funds to those who have kept production and personnel and continue to work at the moment!
      2. +3
        3 January 2023 21: 12
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote from: prosto_jose
        I forgot their capital is not here

        And there the partners will rip them off like sticky!

        They themselves are these "partners". So that they certainly will not be ripped off, but the state and the people will thoroughly lose. The question is, whom to rely on if there are no prophets in your own country?
      3. +2
        5 January 2023 12: 07
        if they had been ripped off, they would not have continued to take them out there, in my opinion this is propaganda of a zombie for poor patriots and those who believe in the good king father and bad boyars ....
    2. +66
      3 January 2023 05: 41
      It's like with the legendary Saratov Aviation Plant YaK - they "fought, fought", and in 2012 bulldozers arrived and rolled up all the plant's workshops in weeds. Then they were indignant for a long time, initiated some kind of business, but the plant was no longer there.
      And yes - in the 90s the factories "worked" the same way - they bought them for a penny and cut them into metal.
      1. +13
        3 January 2023 12: 24
        Quote: olegff68
        It's like with the legendary Saratov Aviation Plant YaK - they "fought, fought", and in 2012 bulldozers arrived and rolled up all the plant's workshops in weeds. Then they were indignant for a long time, initiated some kind of business, but the plant was no longer there.
        And yes - in the 90s the factories "worked" the same way - they bought them for a penny and cut them into metal.

        But now there is not enough power. MS-21 based on the development of Yakovlev Design Bureau.
        1. +31
          3 January 2023 13: 28
          Everything is simple. The Yak-42, in terms of its economic characteristics, was at least as good as the Boeing and Airbus at that time, thanks to a successful glider and a breakthrough D-36 with a high bypass ratio. (I used this gadget).
        2. +6
          3 January 2023 23: 36
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          in the 90s, factories "worked" in the same way - they bought them for a penny and cut them into metal.


          Enemies of Russia are full at the top, it is necessary to investigate, grab for me (s) and judge with the use of executions
          1. +8
            4 January 2023 00: 08
            Our brother has short arms for this. And their brother's are too long to prevent our brother from doing this.
      2. +35
        3 January 2023 13: 28
        Quote: olegff68
        And yes - in the 90s the factories "worked" the same way - they bought them for a penny and cut them into metal.

        Now at the helm are the same or their successors. To be honest, some individuals who claim to rise from their knees and create a sustainable economic model are irritating.
        1. +18
          3 January 2023 17: 39
          But how much propaganda, bombastic patriotic lies from the screen. And we will find out about the real state of affairs later ....
        2. +5
          3 January 2023 19: 09
          So a sustainable economic model is not for you and me, but for those who declare it
      3. +17
        3 January 2023 18: 46
        Quote: olegff68
        It's like with the legendary Saratov Aviation Plant YaK - "fought, fought", and in 2012 bulldozers arrived and rolled up all the plant's workshops in weeds

        Yes, in fact, as with the even more legendary ZIL! They killed, they killed as best they could ... and finally they killed! Only the metro station remained as a memory of the leader of the Soviet auto industry ... and the football team.
        1. +4
          4 January 2023 14: 18
          Note: the vast majority of enterprises were destroyed during the period of the Hybrid-Ambivalent Pres...
        2. +3
          4 January 2023 16: 51
          "Only the metro station remained as a memory of the leader of the Soviet auto industry ... yes, the football team"
          nothing, tomorrow somewhere near Moscow they will make some kind of workshop, and they will twist some kind of Chinese called ZiL-3 with screwdrivers
      4. Alf
        +16
        3 January 2023 21: 32
        Quote: olegff68
        It's like with the legendary Saratov Aviation Plant YaK - they "fought, fought", and in 2012 bulldozers arrived and rolled up all the plant's workshops in weeds.

        Volgograd Tractor...

        "In 2017, for the financial recovery of the enterprise, a decision was made to include the military component of the concern in the state corporation Rostec"
        For 2020, the factory entrance building and two monuments on the square are all that remains of the civilian northern site of the Volgograd Tractor Plant. Its workshops have been demolished[12], and the new owner leases the former plant management for offices."
        And again Rostec...
        1. +14
          4 January 2023 12: 06
          "And again Rostec..."

          Enemies not overseas need to be looked for
          1. +5
            4 January 2023 22: 30
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Enemies not overseas need to be looked for

            Yes, Konstantin, not beyond the seas and mountains, but here, in the offices of power. I remember how you reacted sharply to the words about the need for executions. Today it is already a question of the existence of the country.
            I never get tired of giving an example - the mayor of Togliatti, Nikolai Renz, is an honorary member of the Rotary Club, an American organization headquartered in Illinois. Also members of the organization are many deputies of the city and regional dumas.
            These people have worked for the destructive all their lives. Renz ruined health care in Togliatti, every resident of Togliatti knows this.
            But he is Azarov's man, who completely disgraced himself with the provision of the mobilized.
            These people should be tried under the law of war. Followed by execution. But for some reason they are still in power. request
        2. +1
          9 January 2023 14: 41
          My grandfather in 1943 was the deputy director of the Stalingrad Motor Plant, which worked during the war in Beketovka. Well, very "effective managers" came under the leadership of Oleg Savchenko and the engine plant now looks like the Stalingrad Tractor Plant in 1943. Hitler made a big mistake in 1942 by sending Paulus to Stalingrad, it was necessary for the likes of Yeltsin and Savchenko with bastards, gaidaryons and other red-haired Chubais demons,
    3. +12
      3 January 2023 19: 08
      During the First World War, effective private managers raised selling prices for weapons and ammunition by 2.5-3 times. Capitalism. Happiness. Get hurt!
    4. +13
      4 January 2023 00: 20
      Let's not talk about Russian officials! Talk about RUSSIAN, because not all of them are Russian. Not everyone. Fima will not let you lie.
      1. -6
        4 January 2023 09: 12
        Quote: KlausP
        Let's not talk about Russian officials!

        Well, of course! Russians are honest! They will dig the Russian World ...
        1. +1
          5 January 2023 18: 28
          Well, of course, where did they see the Russian oligarch? No, tell me your last name))) And the Russians are honest.
          1. 0
            12 January 2023 18: 39
            For this, the coat of arms has two heads that look in different directions, instead of looking at their feet, which is done in the country.
  2. -14
    3 January 2023 05: 38
    As a person who has been working in the industry for more than 30 years, I consider the decision not to save scrap metal to be the right one, unfortunately. This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.
    It will be right to build a new one, and the speed of building a new one is a priority.
    I understand the author, everything is gone ... and ... with him.
    From the trash (and I know perfectly well what kind of machine park at such factories) you can only squeeze a tear.
    We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible.
    Rostec is right.
    1. +34
      3 January 2023 06: 23
      Quote: Andvigor
      I think the decision not to save scrap metal is the right one, unfortunately. This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.
      The right thing to do is build a new one...

      That's right, of course...
      In my village, old (in two girths) poplars, planted back in the 60s, began to collapse, becoming a real threat. Over the past decade, they have been cheerfully cut out. However, only enthusiasts planted several pines and Christmas trees on their own, and the new building has a dozen seedlings, that's all. There were two hundred poplars, no less ...
    2. +94
      3 January 2023 06: 45
      Andvidor, how do you like this proposal: first build a new, modern plant, and then demolish the old one.
      1. +24
        3 January 2023 13: 30
        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        Andvidor, how do you like this proposal: first build a new, modern plant, and then demolish the old one.

        Most likely, everything was started for the sake of the land, including, but not at all for the plant.
      2. +6
        3 January 2023 21: 49
        Do not demolish, but modernize or repurpose
        1. -1
          4 January 2023 00: 23
          Quote: RoTTor
          Do not demolish, but modernize or repurpose

          Unfortunately this is not realistic. If only because any new machine requires a different foundation. Andrew is right. Those who are not building a new plant are wrong.
          1. Alf
            +5
            4 January 2023 18: 43
            Quote: Alexander_Schlidt
            If only because any new machine requires a different foundation.

            The Kuznetsov plant in Samara, workshop 12, the old machines were handed over for non-ferrous metal, holes were dug in their place, the foundation was poured, NEW machines were installed and nothing, they work quite normally.
            By the way, if we are talking about demolition. At Kuznetsovo, where I have had the honor to work for 18 years, the old destroyed and plundered workshops were demolished and new buildings were put in their place. Now they are building new ones and they promise to relocate the old ones there. And no problem. Creeping modernization.
    3. +34
      3 January 2023 07: 09
      Quote: Andvigor
      As a person who has been working in the industry for more than 30 years, I consider the decision not to save scrap metal to be the right one, unfortunately. This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.
      It will be right to build a new one, and the speed of building a new one is a priority.
      I understand the author, everything is gone ... and ... with him.
      From the trash (and I know perfectly well what kind of machine park at such factories) you can only squeeze a tear.
      We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible.
      Rostec is right.

      Before destroying the old, we must build a new one!
      I remember the head of the enterprise and his sycophant. The company was not surrounded by a fence. So this sycophant prompted the leader to put up a gate? The leader agreed and the work began to boil. And only after my explanation with the leader, in which I explained to him that the OWNER would first block the territory, and then install the gate, the "great construction" stopped! This is me to the fact that any undertaking must be approached in a businesslike way! With the thought: - And how would I do it, if it was all mine?!
      And to destroy, putting money in your own pocket, you don’t need a lot of mind for this! Or is it necessary?
      1. -2
        4 January 2023 09: 17
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        This is me to the fact that any undertaking must be approached in a businesslike way! With the thought: - And how would I do it, if it was all mine?!

        So the "owners" sawed the plant! Or do you think they sold someone else's plant? A private owner ALWAYS does what is most profitable! In this case - sell for scrap and get money here and now!
        1. +1
          4 January 2023 18: 59
          Panikovsky, when sawing a weight, also put a newspaper under it: "so that not a single grain of gold is lost," it seems that it is the same here, the same people are operating.
      2. +1
        6 January 2023 14: 01
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        And to destroy, putting money in your own pocket, you don’t need a lot of mind for this! Or is it necessary?

        Mind is not required. Corrupt ties, a complete lack of patriotism, greed and bestiality rule here.
    4. +35
      3 January 2023 08: 50
      As a person who has been working in the industry for more than 30 years, I consider the decision not to save scrap metal to be the right one, unfortunately. This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.
      It will be right to build a new one, and the speed of building a new one is a priority.
      I understand the author, everything is gone ... and ... with him.
      From the trash (and I know perfectly well what kind of machine park at such factories) you can only squeeze a tear.
      We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible.
      Rostec is right.

      Or maybe launch the old one and build the new one in parallel? Because now there is neither old nor new, and whether there will be a new one and when is the question. No money left? Money is such a thing that it is never enough. And as soon as they press, they are located.
      1. 0
        3 January 2023 21: 54
        money is not everything in our case.
      2. +7
        3 January 2023 23: 48
        Quote: Former soldier
        Or maybe run the old one in parallel and build the new one? Because now there is neither old nor new, and whether there will be a new one and when is the question.



        There are no machines, no equipment. Machine-tool factories were destroyed, as well as machine-building ones. Bearing factories were also destroyed...
        Who gave the order to destroy the factories?
        It is necessary to find out the full name of the scoundrels-traitors and bring them to justice!
        And judge by the People's Court
        1. +2
          4 January 2023 09: 22
          Quote: vlad106
          It is necessary to find out the full name of the scoundrels-traitors and bring them to justice!
          And judge by the People's Court

          The people's court in a capitalist state? How does it fit in your head?
        2. +2
          4 January 2023 10: 05
          I have been reading such appeals for 20 years, and things are still there. in short - this is another confirmation that the NWO is, as it were, not its own, but who the hell knows what. and we are fighting for the interests of s. and they rub their hands
        3. Alf
          +3
          4 January 2023 18: 44
          Quote: vlad106
          Who gave the order to destroy the factories?
          It is necessary to find out the full name of the scoundrels-traitors and bring them to justice!
          And judge by the People's Court

          Aren't you afraid that the threads will be drawn to the Kremlin? The seagull did not say in vain.
      3. +12
        4 January 2023 02: 37
        Quote: Former soldier
        now there is neither old nor new, and whether there will be a new one and when is the question. No money left?

        There is money - they don’t know what to do ... either to buy Chinese bonds ... or Indian ones ... or out of habit - in the USA, Europe and England? The question is about the machine park for the new plant, its logistics, connection to networks and professional staff. You can't buy something like that in a year or two or three. And even if you build it, you won't launch it right away. And the old plant has access roads, and connection to networks, and some kind of machine park ... to repair old equipment, it would be quite possible to complete the existing enterprise. For the plant is needed not even now, but YESTERDAY!
        But the decision is made by the enemies of the state, the Army and the People - pests, thieves and saboteurs.
        This is not visible from the Kremlin??
        And why are they feeding him?
        Maybe it’s not a plant that needs to be handed over for metal, and then another one should be built in a new incomprehensible place, but such is manual production? Otherwise, it will again agree with Kisenger ... so we won’t need factories at all ...
        The non-brothers adapt any production sites for the repair of equipment, even railway depots for the repair of armored vehicles ... and we have repair plants that are capable of repairing up to 500 infantry fighting vehicles in a year, let them go under the knife ... So WHO is fighting against Russia ??
        Forgotten, WHO was the main creator of the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia and revolutions? smile
        The lazy and narrow-minded king and his thieving servants !!
        They blew the RYAV with a bang and arranged a sinecure for the military-industrial complex (military-industrial committees) on military contracts in WWI ...
        War is a test for power for the right to remain as such. And now ours is failing exam after exam as the last loser.
        Or is this the plan?
        I would love to be wrong.
        1. Alf
          +2
          4 January 2023 18: 46
          Quote: bayard
          This is not visible from the Kremlin??

          Why is it not visible? THIS is from the Kremlin and is controlled.
          1. +1
            4 January 2023 23: 34
            Quote: Alf
            THIS is from the Kremlin and is controlled

            Quote: bayard
            So WHO is fighting against Russia??

            "The most important thing in the course of the investigation is not to come out on oneself." good
            hi
    5. +35
      3 January 2023 09: 05
      We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible. Rostec is right.
      "In order to buy something you need, you must first sell something you don't need." (c) Rostec has existed since 2007, what new things has it created over the years, why did it only now dawn on it?
      1. +14
        3 January 2023 10: 56
        Because there is a war going on, and ,, Rostec ,, works for ,, Ridna Nenka ,, judging by the publications.
    6. +44
      3 January 2023 10: 11
      Quote: Andvigor
      As a person who has been working in the industry for more than 30 years, I consider the decision not to save scrap metal to be the right one, unfortunately. This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.
      It will be right to build a new one, and the speed of building a new one is a priority.
      I understand the author, everything is gone ... and ... with him.
      From the trash (and I know perfectly well what kind of machine park at such factories) you can only squeeze a tear.
      We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible.
      Rostec is right.

      Yeah. When it’s cold outside, will you first throw away your old hat and go buy a new one, risking frostbite on your ears, or will you still go for a new one in an old hat? This is about preparing for your own. Hat-throwing troops fight best in the country.
      1. GIS
        +16
        3 January 2023 10: 20
        HERE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE you gave.
        What to do now. time is running out. and I think the receivers do not lose it, but in four shifts they cut the plant
      2. -7
        4 January 2023 00: 38
        And if there are holes in the old hat in all places, what does not warm, only freezes more? And it didn't dry out after drying. Will you also wear it for a new hat?
      3. -1
        4 January 2023 19: 13
        During the war, when the factories were moved, the foundations for the machines were prepared in advance, and what, the old foundations and factory walls with roofs are no longer suitable for use and it is necessary to build a new one in order to ditch more money?
        1. +1
          5 January 2023 15: 30
          Please familiarize yourself with modern machines and the requirements for their installation. And it's true, you village...
        2. 0
          23 January 2023 17: 50
          Quote: Village I ......
          Are the walls with roofs in Avodsk no longer suitable for use and is it necessary to build a new one in order to ditch more money?

          true, you are a village...


          You are correct Albert!
          And this Schlidt is probably a member of the Chubai circle, according to the cutting of the state dough ...
    7. +30
      3 January 2023 10: 55
      Quote: Andvigor

      From the trash (and I know perfectly well what kind of machine park at such factories) you can only squeeze a tear.
      We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible.

      Well, one can and can agree on the account of machine tools, but on the account of fixed assets - industrial premises, warehouses, access roads, etc. communications, one somehow does not believe that new equipment could not be placed in them. And that's not all. Building a new factory? Yes, of course, but where? Is it in the place of the destroyed? And if not? Then where to get ready-made specialists? Auto-mechanics, auto-electricians, welders, turners, millers, are there a myriad of them in any city? I believe that the people who made the decision to destroy the plant were not guided by the interests of the state.
      1. +5
        3 January 2023 11: 25
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Auto-mechanics, auto-electricians, welders, turners, millers, are there a myriad of them in any city?

        The plant has not worked for more than a year - all those who more or less represented themselves as specialists have been working for a long time.
        1. +9
          3 January 2023 14: 35
          Quote: your1970
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Auto-mechanics, auto-electricians, welders, turners, millers, are there a myriad of them in any city?

          The plant has not worked for more than a year - all those who more or less represented themselves as specialists have been working for a long time.

          The factory I worked at went through this. They also did not work at one time, many quit. But then, somewhere up there, they either came to their senses, or something else, but the plant received a contract and began to work. But since there were not enough specialists, the TV management asked to return, to those who quit. promising (and fulfilling the promise) to maintain uninterrupted work experience at the plant. Many returned. True, after 4 years, the plant was still cut into metal.
      2. +18
        3 January 2023 12: 17
        Most likely, it is property taxes in action. I don’t even want to think what awaits the entire industry if such trends continue.
        In the 90s, it was American experts who insisted on the introduction of property taxes in Russia, on real estate, machinery and equipment.
        Therefore, there is no construction equipment; only military builders are able to build railways.
      3. -3
        4 January 2023 00: 34
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Well, we can and can agree on the account of machine tools, but on the account of fixed assets - industrial premises, warehouses, access roads, etc. communications,

        Have you been to a modern A class warehouse? Compare with what was built in the 60s. Have you seen modern machines and know how much pressure the floor under it must withstand? Compare with the machines of the 60s. How much has the energy consumption of the new plant increased compared to the old one? And so with everything. With absolutely everything. And the most important thing. Do you know how many millers work at the new plant and how many work at the plant with the 60s nomenclature?
        1. Alf
          +4
          4 January 2023 18: 49
          Quote: Alexander_Schlidt
          Have you seen modern machines and know how much pressure the floor under it must withstand? Compare with the machines of the 60s. How much has the energy consumption of the new plant increased compared to the old one?

          Kuznetsov plant, shop 204, built in the mid-60s. Half of the workshop is given over to new machines, machining centers, new compressors, new wiring, new flooded floors. Works...
          1. -1
            5 January 2023 15: 26
            Quote: Alf
            Kuznetsov plant, shop 204, built in the mid-60s. Half of the workshop is given over to new machines, machining centers, new compressors, new wiring, new flooded floors. Works...

            What does he release? R-107? An engine that is 60 years old. The product range has not changed. Do we want 60 equipment to enter the troops?
            1. +1
              8 January 2023 11: 09
              Quote: Alexander_Schlidt
              What does he release? R-107? An engine that is 60 years old.

              Do you want to say that for each new engine it is necessary to build a new plant? Mm-yes, I have no more questions for you.
      4. +2
        5 January 2023 11: 31
        Yes, this is some kind of nonsense, what does the machine park have to do with it? It is necessary to pour the foundation, build walls, cover the ruins, bring lines of force, water, pave the way. The machine is quite simple to buy, connect and train workers to maintain it. If everything is demolished and rebuilt, there will not be enough money, and only workers and craftsmen will scatter while all this is being rebuilt. If you want to develop, build a new workshop nearby. What's the point of tearing it all down?
      5. 0
        23 January 2023 17: 53
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        the people who made the decision to destroy the plant were not guided by the interests of the state.



        These "people" destroying the industry should be checked by SMERSH
    8. +15
      3 January 2023 12: 32
      Your opinion is wrong, it is possible to install new equipment on the old production areas and carry out repairs while new production facilities are being built
    9. +7
      3 January 2023 12: 54
      Of course, you can build and then break, or you can break and not build on the turn.
    10. +3
      3 January 2023 13: 15
      Quote: Andvigor
      This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.

      I will not discuss this particular case, because. I don’t know it thoroughly myself (I didn’t examine it, I didn’t study it), but many years of experience in operating the buildings and structures of my “office” convinced me that sometimes it is easier and more profitable, both financially and in the interests of production, to destroy the old and build a new one. Buildings have the ability to age both physically and mentally. It’s not that they somehow don’t look “fashionable”, “moral obsolescence” often consists in the fact that it is impossible to restore the building’s former safety without exorbitantly high costs, to configure the premises so that they allow production to meet modern technological process algorithms. I won’t talk about the equipment, there are also a lot of problems with it, such that it’s cheaper to just replace it. And sometimes it is not even possible to introduce something new into buildings without significant dismantling of its supporting structures. Speaking about the fact that in Rostec everyone is full of traitors and "foreigners", it must be borne in mind that they are mostly under sanctions. Those. they can neither go to the West nor send their relatives. And speaking of their not high mental abilities, think about your own, which did not allow you to be on the same level with them ... In addition, giving various examples and analogies, it is useful to know that the history of any economic entity is not written in carbon copy. All these stories of births and deaths of plants and factories are purely individual. And they should be discussed only with a complete set of documents and vast experience in analytical practice in similar cases. To follow the saying "I do not know, but I condemn" is not worthy of a sane person.
      1. +4
        3 January 2023 13: 33
        Can you first build a new one, and then demolish the old one?
        1. -4
          3 January 2023 13: 48
          Quote: AVESSALOM
          Can you first build a new one, and then demolish the old one?

          To build something, you need to clear the place. For the only thing that can remain valuable from the old is land, which today is not cheap. And perhaps the existing communications will come in handy. But these are not binding rules. That's why I said "sometimes". But to start a conversation with an attempt to offend an opponent, only people who are in fact incapable of either discussion, or a positive act, or the cause itself, allow themselves, in a word, dull mediocrity. I won’t even downvote you, you are already offended by God ... request
          1. +4
            3 January 2023 23: 07
            Clear the place. Under what? What is now on the dear land of ZIL, Khrunichev, Tupolev and thousands of other factories? Are new ones built? Is there no place on our territory to build a new plant, except on the site of the old one?
            1. +2
              4 January 2023 17: 05
              Well, yes, indeed, it’s better to close and demolish factories and factories, and build shopping and entertainment complexes and luxury housing in their place, well, what else do our people need, of course, just buy and have fun, a consumer society in a word, and factories, so they are somehow no longer needed, and who should work there, if we have only lawyers, economists, bankers, and "effective managers" of all stripes in high esteem, they are used to buying everything abroad, working and producing the necessary goods have forgotten how, and then suddenly the sanctions fell on us and immediately everything fell into place.
            2. -1
              4 January 2023 20: 55
              Quote: U. Cheny
              Clear the place. Under what?

              Somehow, in the early 80s, I had a chance to participate in a "subbotnik" on the territory of AZLK. Apparently some kind of patronage assistance was provided by our school. The vast territory adjacent to the production buildings was occupied by scrap metal, paint barrels and other garbage, in which interesting products neatly wrapped in paper were periodically found laughing . So sometimes you just need to clear the territory, otherwise we have already dirtied everything that is near our place of residence. And it would not be bad to calculate how many kilometers of roads per square kilometer of the city area in our cities, especially with a population of 300-500 thousand or more. Traffic jams have become a daily part of our lives, even in villages with 50-100 thousand inhabitants. ZIL sorry? And what was he releasing new in the last years of his life, how much did he prosper by selling his products?
              1. +2
                4 January 2023 21: 26
                And what about AZLK and roads? And we don't have dog parks at all, and there are no Disneylands in every major city. And there are even fewer shopping centers than there are residents in the city. Let's close factories to make room for them.
      2. +18
        3 January 2023 15: 58
        Everything is as it is, as it were...
        But the repair of old armored vehicles can be carried out on old equipment. The old footage to which they are accustomed.
        New plant, new equipment. It needs new personnel who can work on this equipment. Do we have them? Will it need to be trained? Do we have time for this? NWO not in a couple of years. She's been going for a year now. Moreover, new trained personnel will have to be paid a lot so that they do not run away as competent specialists.
        I am also too familiar with the topic. We are now pouring tank barrels on old equipment, which is already half a century old. Something like constantly patching it. And there is simply no other! And no one is building a new plant. There is simply no new equipment for this in the country. And will not appear in the coming years, decades ...
        Owner generals from the military-industrial complex have long been engaged in sawing factories. They are engaged in earning dough, and do not cover the needs of the country and the army for the necessary weapons. And it will have an impact soon.
        Friends are good, of course, but the example of Milosevic, Gaddafi, Hussein should be alarming.
        1. +9
          3 January 2023 21: 05
          laughing laughing laughing
          Our office 6 years ago designed for UMP (aka Rostec) a production complex in the Leningrad region, incl. complete technology, in particular, for a product of the "pipe" type 2A82-1M, and a number of other composite products at the customer's site. The project was approved by the customer, the state examination was passed ... and then ... then interesting things began ... the customer began to delay payment when we filed for arbitration - famously began to go bankrupt (it was a daughter of UMP) ... The site was sold and the money went to Rostec, as the main creditor, the project dissolved (at least we don’t know about its implementation in any form, although the court’s decision is not satisfied and our legal service monitors possible movements) ... in total - 20 lyam loss and the project that went to heaven (see https://topwar.ru/207749-armaty-ne-budet-mozhno-rashoditsja.html) It was a completely new technology for the mass production of this product ... well, you, apparently, will be patching cash for a long time technology, before sawing into scrap metal along with the production lol this is how the state Rostec works, but in fact it is a state freeloader with zero profitability, living off continuous capitalization of property sales and bankruptcies, the results of which are taken away by management But you don’t get sick)))
          1. 0
            23 January 2023 18: 09
            Quote from Kepka
            The project was approved by the customer, the state examination was passed ... and then ... then interesting things began ... the customer began to delay payment when we filed for arbitration - famously began to go bankrupt (it was a daughter of UMP) ... The site was sold and the money went to Rostec, as the main creditor, the project dissolved (at least we don’t know about its implementation in any form, although the court’s decision is not satisfied and our legal service monitors possible movements) ... in total - 20 lyam loss and the project that went to heaven (see https://topwar.ru/207749-armaty-ne-budet-mozhno-rashoditsja.html) It was a completely new technology for the mass production of this product ... well, you, apparently, will be patching cash for a long time technology, before sawing into scrap metal, along with production, it’s like the state Rostec works, but in fact it’s a state freeloader with zero profitability, living off continuous capitalization of property sales and bankruptcies,



            This is how the "economy" of sawing works
            And what, the country's leadership does not understand what is happening?
            Or is it up there through one CIA and MI6 agents?
        2. +3
          3 January 2023 23: 06
          Quote: Oleg Ogorod
          There is simply no new equipment for this in the country. And will not appear in the coming years, decades ...

          What is the problem? The Chinese are ready to supply Russia with machines for the manufacture of artillery barrels with a diameter of up to 1000 mm and a length of at least 20 mm. It's just that money should not be invested in US real estate, but in the purchase of machine tools.
          1. Alf
            +1
            4 January 2023 18: 52
            Quote: gsev
            It's just that money should not be invested in US real estate, but in the purchase of machine tools.

            Do you propose to violate the economic installation of the Saints of the 90s? You don’t encroach on the foundations ... You still offer to raise your economy ...
      3. Alf
        +3
        3 January 2023 21: 37
        Quote: Hagen
        Speaking about the fact that in Rostec everyone is full of traitors and "foreigners", it must be borne in mind that they are mostly under sanctions. Those. they can neither go to the West nor send their relatives

        But they do not change their cause ....
      4. +1
        3 January 2023 23: 03
        I agree with the arguments regarding the materiel, but there is a nuance, if the condition of the main fund is not emergency and does not pose a threat to the production process, then in case of urgency and extreme necessity, it is easier to deploy a repair base in such an old plant with communications and access roads than to wait until they build it from scratch . Yes, and taking the plants out of circulation, they frankly had to think about building replacement capacities in advance. And delving into the nuances of the activities of this holding, you can find yourself in the position of ksyushadi)
        1. 0
          4 January 2023 12: 16
          Still, it is customary to write a nuance, not a nuance.
      5. +6
        4 January 2023 00: 31
        One can argue about this particular enterprise, because the process is not completed. But the 30-year experience of thousands and thousands of enterprises shows that in the overwhelming majority of cases (I would say with a probability close to one) enterprises are not demolished at all "in the interests of production." And it is this experience that forces people to protest against any demolition of factories. And they rarely make mistakes.
      6. +1
        4 January 2023 22: 38
        Quote: Hagen
        All these stories of births and deaths of plants and factories are purely individual.

        Not a pin to choose between them. First, privatization under the cries of the guards ( wink ) about the inefficiency of public administration, then a breakdown into several legal entities, then bankruptcy and sale for a penny.
        Betrayal and sabotage comes from above.
      7. +2
        5 January 2023 11: 33
        Again, an effective manager from Rostec, who says that no one understands anything except him.
      8. +2
        8 January 2023 11: 41
        Quote: Hagen
        studied), but many years of experience in the operation of buildings and structures of my "office" convinced me that sometimes it is easier and more profitable, both financially and in the interests of production, to destroy the old and build a new one. Buildings have the ability to age both physically and mentally. It’s not that they don’t look “fashionable” in any way, “moral obsolescence” often consists in the fact that it is impossible to restore the building’s former security without exorbitantly high costs, to configure the premises in such a way that

        But look how they approached the solution of this issue in Soviet times.
        The plant is the same age as the Moscow-Kyiv Railway (now the South-Western Railway). In 60-70 years. underwent modernization. Those workshops of the plant that did not meet modern, at that time, requirements, were demolished, and the rest, having removed the roof, built up walls and put a new roof. And they did it gradually, without stopping production, but only reduced the plan by 50%. But in order for the workers not to lose in wages, it was piece-rate, and then piece-bonus, they came up with the modernization of products. Those. The product is the same, but upgraded. And it cost a little more. As new and modernized production areas (workshops) came into operation, the plan and range of the plant's products also increased.
        But, in 2015, the plant ceased to exist. On its ruins, you can safely shoot a film about the Battle of Stalingrad.
    11. +1
      3 January 2023 15: 53
      You're right. For an accurate assessment of what, where, how and what is in the future, you need to see the plans and contracts.
      In our village, too, they whined that the machine-tool plant, a branch of the Moscow military enterprise, was being destroyed. The authorities fired, collected signatures, even the governor of the region took part.
      But in fact. The competition was held for the purchase of all scrap metal at the enterprise and demolition or dismantling and construction of communications for a new enterprise. Having sold the old equipment and cleared the site, having completed the preparatory work, the winners of the competition and the work left. With the proceeds, the state structure purchased new equipment, though not for the manufacture of parts for artillery, but for the navy, associated with the manufacture of gearboxes. Now the enterprise successfully works in 2 shifts. Screams and snot are a thing of the past.
      Conclusion - until you have seen the contract for the plant and plans (usually secret) for the future, conversation and discussion are meaningless. Although this is a state-owned enterprise, at least a private one on an agreement with the defense industry. Sometimes a new profile of an enterprise requires its transfer from residential areas, as with airfields within a city or on its outskirts. If it is possible to liquidate the old enterprise and build a new one, in another, uninhabited place or away from residential areas, then this should be done.
      Well, you can understand the director. Usually, people like him are backed by some kind of eomersky structures, or the director himself would not mind participating in privatization or this process and would not mind sticking to the state feeder himself, but he, apparently, was removed.
      So it's not for us to judge, especially since both the director and the author are obviously interested people and present the problem in a favorable light for them.
      1. +6
        4 January 2023 00: 34
        This is a very fine example, but there is less statistical error in such cases.
        By the way, if you don’t remember, as far as I know, the only remaining UVZ tank plant was actively tried to bankrupt some time ago.
        1. -1
          5 January 2023 14: 12
          Quote: U. Cheny
          This is a very fine example, but there is less statistical error in such cases.

          Give your argument in numbers. If there are fewer such cases, have you already counted them? Show me how many of them, how many others? Everything will immediately fall into place. Just do not forget references to "reliable statistical sources" .... I'm not against the fact that among all categories of citizens both patriots and traitors can meet. The whole question is where and how many of them? In order to understand how viable we, as a country, are, we need to understand the overall balance in numbers, in objective parameters, and not in the "snot" of individual citizens who have lost hope for the best.
        2. 0
          6 January 2023 08: 28
          Ale Omsk tank is still working, though it makes sonceps
          1. 0
            12 January 2023 01: 08
            Not only that, Omsktransmash is also engaged in a deep modernization of the T-80 tanks to the T-80 BVM version.
      2. +3
        4 January 2023 19: 06
        You can not build an enterprise away from residential areas, travel costs will not allow you to have sustainable production and a stable workforce, staff turnover will be too high.
    12. +6
      3 January 2023 20: 08
      If you are a theorist-idealist, then everything is correct. Only if we compare how many "antiques" were destroyed and how many were built instead, then the definition "enemies of the people" immediately comes to mind. Well, peaceful war is one thing, when you can wait, and suddenly the leadership of Rostec will wake up with a conscience (please do not ban, this is purely theoretical) and they will build something. And another thing is fighting, when it is no longer important that the equipment is repaired on the machines of the 50s or on a super-duper modern line (it’s a pity only imports, they don’t have their own).
    13. Alf
      +1
      3 January 2023 21: 34
      Quote: Andvigor
      It will be right to build a new one, and the speed of building a new one is a priority.

      So why didn't they build it?
    14. +4
      3 January 2023 21: 38
      new factories also need machine tools, but where can I get them. There are none of their own, and there is no one to buy from except China. And the Chinese will not sell us modern equipment. It is necessary to protect what was available until they themselves began to do their own.
      1. Alf
        0
        4 January 2023 18: 53
        Quote: wladimirjankov
        until they start making their own.

        And no one wants to make them...
    15. +4
      3 January 2023 23: 12
      Repeatedly read stories about the West ala bought out the old machines and began to produce something. In the same Czech Republic, the production of vinyl records was restored, for example (how is Melodiya there?). And I understand that such stories are impossible with us, everything is stupidly demolished and taken away for scrap. The climate is not the same.
      1. Alf
        -1
        4 January 2023 18: 25
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        The climate is not

        Damn place ...
    16. +3
      4 January 2023 00: 17
      Speak the truth! It is necessary to announce an emergency Komsomol construction, to call on young people on Komsomol vouchers, to announce a subscription - a collection of money for construction, to call on Russian oligarchs for donations, etc. Only now, where can you find Komsomol members? VLKSM has long rested in Bose. By subscription, money will be scraped up, at most, for a car - two bricks. And the moneybags will recoil: "There is no money, but you hold on!", Or "And we would be happy to help, but all the cash is behind the cordon and sanctions do not allow." Longing green, take the ashes!
    17. +4
      4 January 2023 11: 06
      Have you seen the equipment with your own eyes before claiming it is "antique"? Soviet weapons and ammunition, made more than 30 years ago, are also antiques, but they shoot well in Ukraine.
    18. -2
      4 January 2023 16: 09
      200% right ... All these repairs are more expensive for themselves ... They are beneficial to Mr. Shinkarenko and his accomplices! Where were they before when they drove the plant into billions of dollars in debt?
    19. +3
      4 January 2023 16: 56
      “We need to build something new, and as soon as possible.
      Rostec is right"
      he would be even more right if he also built, and not only broke
    20. +1
      5 January 2023 11: 39
      Judging by who bought this plant, they obviously do not plan to build a new one in its place. And also, given that even T-62 tanks are now fighting at the front, it is possible that this antique would not be superfluous. I remember in 1943 the Germans bombed the Gorky Automobile Plant almost to zero. Just razed to the ground. So ours restored it in 3 months!
    21. 0
      12 January 2023 18: 43
      Andvigor. Is it impossible to drag the machines inside the buildings? He worked at a factory in the mid-1960s, that's how they did it there. Old stuff in scrap metal, new instead of them. Surprisingly, everything worked and how. True, this was under Khrushchev, but he probably was not aware of the matter that the buildings should be blown up. It was in the center of the city, apparently that’s why they didn’t dare to blow it up or break it, he was not smart enough to do this
  3. +15
    3 January 2023 05: 47
    Is this some kind of... disgrace?
    ("Hero" of Russia heroically handed over the plant for scrap)
  4. +9
    3 January 2023 05: 54
    hi
    In principle, the journalist Skomorokhov did everything right in terms of paperwork (this was discussed in the withdrawn article). Except for the fact that there are no (at least not visible from the article) letters to where exactly they should have been written in batches - to the Government of the Russian Federation. And so it was correspondence and negotiations with one of the main creditors ... I hint again - with a person already participating in bankruptcy ...

    By the way, what is the benefit of this simple bankruptcy operation in two regions?
    And there you can see more than 400 positions. Buildings, machinery, machines, cranes... It's worth taking a look at the list to see how it fits "blank walls".
    The initial price of Lot No. 1 is 288 rubles. IP Zaitsev offered 274 901,40 rubles
    The land under the factories is interesting for industrial production or housing; railway branches; energy; or offices?
    The company does not repair appliances. And the plant acquires solely in order to destroy it. For Engels Metall has been operating in the market of ferrous and non-ferrous metals since 2018 and is part of the financial and industrial group of companies.
    In itself, demolition for the sake of scrap metal is a disadvantageous business. A quarter of a billion is not so easy to spread, what about the deposit and payment under the contract?

    And I would like to wish the author of the article good health and pay attention to what he himself writes: the two main creditors (it can be said the state) - these are creditors that, according to the law, approve the procedure for the sale of property... So, dear author, think about who the creditors are, in whose interests they act, and most importantly - where are the assets, that a quarter of a billion rubles are worth at least (and will the interests of the journalist and some beneficiaries of a quarter of a yard...).

    What can be done now - if the author is interested, I wrote about it in the comments to the deleted article.
    But before you do something, you need to think very firmly: who are the interested people; what is their interest (once again I remind you about a quarter of a billion) and has the author already communicated with them?
    Yes, the web archive because we had to pull the article from publication.
    it is from this "request" that you need to think hard, no matter how strange it may look.
    1. +18
      3 January 2023 07: 00
      The market economy in all its glory, and "effective managers" too, everything that cannot be put in their own pocket is not profitable for them and does not make any sense.
      1. +4
        3 January 2023 09: 38
        What does the market economy have to do with it? A typical example of cutting public money. Money will be allocated from the treasury for the construction of a new plant and the liquidation of the old one. Officials will take part of the amount into their pocket (or the entire amount).
        In a planned economy, it would be the same. The problem is that in our country crime has grown together with the authorities. Mechanisms to combat corruption and theft of public money do not work.
        1. +20
          3 January 2023 11: 02
          Under a planned economy, an official who put the entire amount in his pocket would be dressed in a padded jacket and given a saw, or a pick, but rather leaned against the wall. The amount stolen pulls on the tower. It is capitalism and the market that have something to do with it. The legal opportunity to get rich gives rise to such schemes, corruption.
        2. +12
          3 January 2023 11: 06
          What does the market economy have to do with it? A typical example of cutting public money.


          Because the market economy is designed to cut money.
        3. +7
          3 January 2023 18: 43
          Under a planned economy, these same factories were just being built, and in huge quantities. Surely you had a subject in school, history. So in our country, with the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, there have been strong changes, and first of all in the economy. It was the damned scoops who could only produce galoshes that created that country on the ruins of which we now live. Almost immediately after coming to power, they headed for the electrification of the country. You must have heard about Stalin's industrialization somewhere. In the beautiful Russia that we lost (the Russian empire), there was no full-fledged industry, it was an agricultural country in which effective managers (kulaks) sold grain abroad while there was a shortage inside the country.
          So, from a country that does not have a normal industry, the Bolsheviks created the most powerful industrial state with a stable planned economy.
          Or do you think that the T 34 appeared out of the blue, they took it on their own and with a prayer, and the new ones with the crews rushed into battle?
          All this industrial power ended up in the hands of people who ruined this country and robbed it. They did not earn their capital by honest labor, but stole it from the national economy.
          So the dude writes correctly, this is how the market economy works. It is much more profitable to fucking destroy the plant and build an LCD there, or a warehouse for products from China, in the most favorable case, there will be some kind of SKD assembly from imported spare parts.
          The merging of the state and private business to solve such issues and rake in the dough is called ordinary fascism. Read the economic programs of the Italian fascists with their corporate state structure. Google the word autarchy, for example, and a lot will become clear.
          Capitalism is moving towards monopolization, monopolies, large industrial and financial organizations are merging with the state. apparatus for solving their business interests, including abroad with the involvement of guys like PMC Wagner.
          So the market economy is still like, moreover, fascism is the most developed form of capitalism. And just like in Italy in the 40s they solved their business issues while the war was going on, in the same way our relatives, spiritual oligarchs solve their problems while the war is going on, they don’t care about the lives of soldiers, like your repair plant, the military-industrial complex, the army, to jobs, etc.
        4. 0
          3 January 2023 20: 18
          You absolutely do not know the system of functioning of the Soviet economy when you say this. This time.
          Second. Under capitalism, anti-corruption mechanisms never work anywhere - corruption is one of the forms of business. The most obvious example is the United States, where corruption has long been legalized and is called lobbying.
          1. 0
            4 January 2023 17: 16
            A bad example is extremely contagious, but we do not need to repeat this, we must in every possible way avoid repeating other people's systemic mistakes and unsuccessfully created economic mechanisms.
        5. Alf
          +4
          3 January 2023 21: 42
          Quote: RussianPatriot
          In a planned economy, it would be the same.

          Don't give a damn! Under the planned economy, non-cash money was allocated for the construction of the plant. The maximum that an official could get was a banquet for speeding up the signing.
    2. +4
      3 January 2023 08: 50
      But before you do something, you need to think firmly and firmly: who are the interested


      - You can sell and break at any time. Therefore, it was necessary to give a person who claims that it is possible to repair xxxx units in a year - half a year, in order to demonstrate at least the repair of 50 units and document the repair process.

      —- All these arguments - junk and squeezing tears - these are the words of Khoja Nasreddin ... People with energy and purpose are a completely different universe and dimension.

      —- This is a shame and disgrace, and in wartime not to give a person with experience and enthusiasm the opportunity to show what he is capable of is a criminal sabotage.
    3. +9
      3 January 2023 17: 24
      In itself, demolition for the sake of scrap metal is a disadvantageous business. A quarter of a billion is not so easy to spread, what about the deposit and payment under the contract?

      Now a similar problem is approaching the Voronezh Mechanical Plant. The protons are completing their operation, which means that new engines, if I am not mistaken, are no longer required, and the land under the enterprise is now estimated at TWO BILLION rubles. The recreation center named after 50 years of October (this is the recreation center of the Mekhzavod) has already been demolished. Medical unit the size of an average clinic in the process of demolition. The fur plant is probably next. sad
  5. +27
    3 January 2023 06: 18
    The funny thing is that the situation itself is the basis for a thoughtful investigation by the "competent authorities". Choose any option:
    1) Either you liquidate a workable plant near the war zone at the moment where equipment near it began to receive damage on an industrial scale.
    2) Or you have a damn abyss of time hanging on the budget of an absolutely inoperable plant - and this has not scratched anyone until now.
    Here, wherever you throw it, a wedge is everywhere ...
    1. +1
      3 January 2023 11: 38
      Quote from Bingo
      2) Or you have a damn abyss of time hanging on the budget of an absolutely inoperable plant - and this has not scratched anyone until now.

      The billion dollar debt means that the salary there was minimal and was paid perhaps irregularly - which means that the SPECIALISTS have not been there for a long time. There were no volumes of damaged equipment either. But it’s impossible to liquidate, defensive ...
    2. Alf
      +1
      3 January 2023 21: 44
      Quote from Bingo
      The funny thing is that the situation itself is the basis for a thoughtful investigation by the "competent authorities".

      Are you sure that the "competent authorities" are not in the share?
  6. +1
    3 January 2023 06: 19
    He rules the country from El Salvador, but here he is only shown on TV.
  7. +6
    3 January 2023 07: 33
    Where did this hefty debt come from? And if it appeared, is it not because of the incompetence of the leadership? Can the plant in its current state repair equipment? There are a sea of ​​questions, zero answers in the article, only slogans. In addition to the machines, there should also be a staff of qualified personnel, judging by the wild debt, they have not been paid salaries for a million years or pay the minimum wage, the question is immediately to the safety of the equipment, but apparently the machines there are as old as the debt itself, no one needs a non-working enterprise. And since even in the conditions of the NWO, Rostec does not undertake to repair equipment there, then things are completely at the seams.
    1. +24
      3 January 2023 07: 57
      Alexei, do you know how factories go bankrupt? Unfortunately, these bankruptcies were before my eyes, but I must say right away that I did not take part in them. I am a techie. My business was iron. And about the "old age" of the machines - how the cutters were used for steel T5 - T15, as well as on new ones. As with steel cable cranes, well, I have not seen nylon or other cables. And I have not seen products made on a 3D printer either.
    2. +4
      3 January 2023 19: 36
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      debt, a non-working enterprise is not needed by anyone. And since even in the conditions of the NWO, Rostec does not undertake to repair equipment there, then things are completely at the seams.

      And you are sure of it. But I have a question - did the plant work before? I will answer for you because the answer is obvious - it worked. And then suddenly (???) stopped, why? Because someone made a fuss and deprived the plant of contracts for the repair of equipment. Or do you think that the equipment is no longer in need of repair? And the plant was forced, while the administration was fighting to get a contract for the repair of equipment, to pay employees downtime through no fault of the employee, pay for electricity, water, land tax, and other payments, hence the debt. I went through all this at my now-killed factory.
      1. 0
        5 January 2023 11: 38
        It is quite logical yes, until the state gives money, the plant will not work, therefore the one who gives orders for repairs is 100% and controls the life of the plant. Under capitalism, the plant could find something on the side, and under the power of corruption, only the master who distributes orders will decide to live for this plant or die. So, in our country, all the shovels who have changed their shoes in their positions and attached rosy-cheeked managers "daughters and sons" determine the fate of the industry. What great temptation appears when orders of a plant depend on a person? And most importantly, in the current reality, this problem cannot be solved in any way, now they will give an order, but tomorrow they will still go bankrupt. Why all these purchases of machine tools, modernization if everything depends on the decision of officials.
  8. +8
    3 January 2023 08: 12
    Well, there are two options - either really for demolition, or for the State Defense Order.
    Everything that can bring profit to a private person will be bought from the state, but it is not clear why these resources cannot be managed by the state and the money would go directly to the treasury?!
    This is how it was done with Vodokanal, garbage, etc.
    As a result, everyone is pulling money from the budget, which was filled mostly through the sale of resources.
    Something needs to be done.
    1. GIS
      +6
      3 January 2023 10: 22
      what to do???? china to help .... hang or shoot
      1. -3
        3 January 2023 11: 17
        To fool your brains like that, you have to be Chinese. Otherwise, the hangers themselves will be hanged. Psychology is not the same mentality. More than a lard of people hunchback on a smaller one and at the same time believe that this is how it should be. The authority of the Emperor and the CCP is unshakable and sacred. Ants should build a sweet life for a third of the population, who bucks and against the system - against the wall.
        With us, such a practice will lead to complete depopulation.
        1. +5
          3 January 2023 14: 36
          Quote: Essex62
          With us, such a practice will lead to complete depopulation.

          Without any reference to the Chinese experience, but nonetheless. And the current Russian practice does not lead to depopulation?
        2. +6
          3 January 2023 16: 56
          And what do you propose, to leave everything as it is and continue to continue this vicious practice of private ownership of important defense enterprises that are part of the military-industrial complex, as well as corruption in the defense sector and embezzlement of the state budget ???
      2. -3
        3 January 2023 11: 43
        Quote: GIS
        what to do???? china to help .... hang or shoot

        They have been shooting for 26 years already... Does it help? Were the officials frightened and stopped taking bribes? Yeah ...
        They are already shooting 25-year-olds - those who were born AFTER the beginning, those who have known all their lives - they are shooting for bribes !!!
        Does it help?
        Their executions are so, an easy adjustment of the population of officials, nothing more ..
        1. +6
          3 January 2023 13: 33
          Quote: your1970
          They have been shooting for 26 years already... Does it help?
          Of course. Doesn't solve, but helps.
        2. +4
          3 January 2023 14: 37
          Quote: your1970
          They have been shooting for 26 years already... Does it help?

          Maybe then we will close the prisons? And then all the same robbers, thieves and scammers are not translated.
  9. +9
    3 January 2023 08: 21
    Apparently the owner of this plant is not a Russian, but someone else ...., And if a Russian, then a traitor.
    1. 0
      4 January 2023 17: 20
      Traitor and "effective manager" have almost become synonymous words.
  10. +12
    3 January 2023 08: 22
    You can name the article. If you still believe in patriotism. then they will come for you.
    How can you trust this government if it destroys the country itself?
  11. +10
    3 January 2023 08: 23
    Funny article! Zealous Rostec! Dark Government of the Russian Federation! And where the "dog is buried" did not understand.
    However, "if someone stole the hat, he sewed the grandmother" or sew. Therefore, to meddle in the topic is dangerous.
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  13. +28
    3 January 2023 08: 29
    Meanwhile, despite heated discussions, including at VO, the auction for the sale of the Motovilikhinsk plants, which did not take place in 2022, was postponed to the 23rd and will still take place.
    Our [former] great industrial power is slipping into the country of the great scavengers.
    Everything unnecessary is scrapped! Let's collect scrap metal!©
    1. +6
      3 January 2023 17: 06
      A country of "effective managers" for whom the national interests of the state are just an empty phrase that means nothing, the loot is more important to them than anything in the world.
  14. +11
    3 January 2023 08: 32
    So we are rebuilding our economy on a war footing smile
  15. +11
    3 January 2023 08: 36
    "They could only make galoshes," he said. And we will cut these galoshes into metal, decommunize, so to speak. For there is nothing on it to repair other galoshes. We will produce Muscovites on the third galoshes, of our own production, completely imported!
  16. -6
    3 January 2023 08: 36
    Roman, with all due respect. We need to look at the training of personnel and the purchase of modern, or at least new machines. On the old equipment, which stood for thirty years without use, nothing sensible can be built, unfortunately.
    Another thing is to take control of the construction of new factories. Walls can be built in a couple of months, with covid, hospitals were installed in a month.
    But the machines are the real issue.
    I do not know what machines are needed, and in what quantities. High-precision machine tools are needed for engine parts, welding for armor, and a separate factory for replacing electronic filling - the same walkie-talkies, headlights, night vision devices cannot be made with a sledgehammer.
    I'm afraid that the problem is more complicated than the preservation of old cases.
    1. GIS
      +9
      3 January 2023 10: 27
      On the old equipment, which stood for thirty years without use, nothing sensible can be built, unfortunately.
      I do not agree. you can do monogo e, tk. damage (as you paralyzed) can be different systems of armored vehicles.
      at the expense of the purchase of modern machines, what????
      cutting, welding, soldering, bending - this can be done with old equipment.
      pulling out money (budgetary and) for new machines (and they will be far from Russian-made) is extremely unreasonable
    2. +8
      3 January 2023 14: 40
      Quote from Kuziming
      On the old equipment, which stood for thirty years without use, nothing sensible can be built, unfortunately.

      And you look on YouTube what people can do with old machines and you immediately understand that the guards, as always, are engaged in outright lies and demagoguery.
    3. +1
      4 January 2023 01: 32
      Quote from Kuziming
      Roman, with all due respect. We need to look at the training of personnel and the purchase of modern, or at least new machines. On the old equipment, which stood for thirty years without use, nothing sensible can be built, unfortunately.
      Another thing is to take control of the construction of new factories. Walls can be built in a couple of months, with covid, hospitals were installed in a month.
      But the machines are the real issue.
      I do not know what machines are needed, and in what quantities. High-precision machine tools are needed for engine parts, welding for armor, and a separate factory for replacing electronic filling - the same walkie-talkies, headlights, night vision devices cannot be made with a sledgehammer.
      I'm afraid that the problem is more complicated than the preservation of old cases.
      It all comes down to the consensus of the majority - FIRST BUILD A NEW FACTORY WITH NEW MACHINES, RECRUIT TRAINED AND TRAINED WORKERS AND ENGINEERS - RUN THE FACTORY - and only then break the old plant ...
      sad
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    5. +1
      4 January 2023 17: 26
      What the hell is the purchase of machine tools, we need to produce our own machines, if we cannot master the serial production of the most modern and highly efficient machine tools, robotic lines, machining centers, then the price is worthless to us, the ability to create and produce the means of production ourselves in the required quantity, not inferior in their characteristics to imported analogues - this is now our main task.
      1. 0
        12 January 2023 19: 06
        sgrabik. What kind of machines. Soon they will figure out why they will get married and have a wife, if you can go to an institution with red lights and make yourself a boy or a girl. Of course, this idea is such that many will climb through the windows, whatever for free, but such people will be shot from a slingshot. With a completely bazaar economy, nothing needs to be done. I went to the market, or the bazaar, maybe later it will be possible to take in installments, or for a while, something that you will sit and smoke, and instead of you, the child will be cut for you. This is what you should strive for. And this is already close and the present economy and the country are ahead of everyone else.
    6. 0
      4 January 2023 17: 28
      "and the purchase of modern, or at least new machines"
      equipment created 30, 40, 50 years ago can be successfully repaired on machines of the same age. since there will be no armature, all other armored vehicles can be successfully repaired using old equipment
      1. 0
        4 January 2023 21: 23
        And why did you decide that there will be no Armata, no one has officially stated this anywhere, and the ridiculous opinions of some not quite adequate authors cannot be considered official statements from the creators and manufacturers of this armored vehicle, but this is not even the point, here we are talking about the factory buildings and main equipment, the most worn and outdated machines and technological equipment, of course, must be replaced with new equipment.
      2. 0
        12 January 2023 19: 09
        aglet. Some people do not understand that the equipment for the army in the USSR is used to the machines on which it was born and truncated! When a tank, or a weapon from the times of the USSR, seeing an imported machine, immediately shoots it, someone else's is harmful to it.
  17. +1
    3 January 2023 08: 54
    Hmm, everything for the front, everything for victory...
  18. +14
    3 January 2023 09: 08
    Adherents of the sect “nationalize everything”, because the private trader will sell everything, look. Not only did Rostec fail in preparations for an invasion of Ukraine. It also gives away factories.
    1. +4
      3 January 2023 14: 43
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      Adherents of the "nationalize everything" sect

      Adherents of the sect of the invisible hand of the market, tell us what you have with your exclusively private industry? What are your wins? When will you catch up and overtake a Lockheed Martin or BAE?
    2. +2
      3 January 2023 14: 55
      We are adherents of the idea of ​​nationalization under the socialist system. If you nationalize enterprises in a capitalist country, you will get what you are now discussing with such passion.
  19. +14
    3 January 2023 09: 31
    There is nothing more profitable for merchants than war.
    An excellent example is with repair plants: we will sell the old ones and build new ones. Why not just upgrade the old ones? Well, I do not. So less dough will be cut.
    1. +7
      3 January 2023 12: 03
      You are being too direct about the question. Not necessarily the goal of the process may be profit, the goal may be destruction under the guise of violent activity. You can evaluate the building in the amount of 10-20 times the real value and potential of the object. Under the guise of taking care of filling the budget, charge property taxes and voila! It is extremely difficult to challenge the assessment and the accrued taxes, and all that remains is to demolish the workshops and send the equipment for remelting.
      No one will see taxes, because the object will be demolished, but the goal has been achieved and the officials are in business.
      Who is the winner?
      "Because we are agents?
      - because subscribers!" (c)
      1. 0
        12 January 2023 19: 15
        Sergey Aleksandrovich. A man came to the barbershop for a shave and a haircut. The hairdresser shaves him, and scatters the foam on the walls. Why are you asking this guy? I'm retiring today. After everything, after paying, the man sits down in the middle of the barbershop and does big. Hairdresser - what are you. Man, I'm leaving this town in half an hour. This is how it all happens now. Factories are not needed, they will buy everything if they sell it. But they did it in the country.
  20. -12
    3 January 2023 09: 52
    If there was an unlimited amount of money, it might have made sense to deal with these plants, or maybe not. We found someone to listen to the director of the plant. The plant really died, but in order to revive it, in addition to the equipment, it is also necessary to pay good money to the workers, but why when there are a lot of factories where less equipment needs to be replaced and the workers do not need to be paid as much as Engels. The economy is a tough thing. Stop whining and grind water in a mortar, it's like with the Saratov aircraft plant, it's easier and cheaper to build a plant in a new place than to revive it.
    1. +18
      3 January 2023 11: 04
      Quote: alexey_444
      it is easier and cheaper to build a plant in a new place than to revive it.

      Well, yes ... And in a new place, quickly give birth to new workers and engineers, build housing and infrastructure for them even faster (shops, schools, hospitals, kindergartens), stretch communications to the plant (water, electricity, gas, sewerage, railway - road and automobile access roads).
      And effective managers themselves will catch up and take care of old things in a new place.
      Who can guess which one three times?
    2. +8
      3 January 2023 13: 18
      The Volga region, especially the Lower one, is almost the most depressive region in Russia, there are no resources cheaper than there anywhere. In the Saratov and Volgograd regions, a very significant part of the industry has been liquidated, it is easier to list what is left.
    3. +6
      3 January 2023 14: 58
      Since 1991, people like you have been doing nothing but destroying "economically unprofitable assets." And without building anything new. NOTHING.
    4. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 18
      alexey_444. So then it was necessary to defend the homeland, now it is unnecessary, everyone is leaving the country. We need lifting and something for old age, so that even the children would not curse. Who needs this homeland without factories and an army!
  21. +8
    3 January 2023 09: 53
    The plant is not needed for a simple reason: no one was going to fight and is not going to. They will threaten, persuade, but not fight.
  22. +4
    3 January 2023 10: 02
    We all need to URGENTLY write a collective letter to Putin, the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Krasnov, the director of the FSB of the Russian Federation Bortnikov, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu!
    1. Alf
      +1
      3 January 2023 21: 51
      Quote from StarWarrior
      We all need to URGENTLY write a collective letter to Putin, the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Krasnov, the director of the FSB of the Russian Federation Bortnikov, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu!

      On the roughest sandpaper, write that they would cry when this cidulka is used at 00.
    2. +1
      4 January 2023 17: 35
      "We all need to URGENTLY write a collective letter to Putin..."
      don't forget about sportsloto! all the addressees you have indicated are in the know, and many are in the share
  23. +5
    3 January 2023 10: 04
    branch in the city of Samara, former 16th ARZ

    ,,, all buildings are leased, the plant as such has long been gone.
  24. +13
    3 January 2023 10: 04
    If during the war Russia disposes of defense plants for scrap, then Putin is preparing not for victory over the enemy, but for capitulation to the West.
  25. Eug
    -6
    3 January 2023 10: 09
    As for me, no one will even cut and melt high-quality working equipment, the demand for used Soviet machines is very high - they are easy to upgrade. It seems that the author exaggerated somewhat.
    1. GIS
      +6
      3 January 2023 10: 28
      fresh legend, but hard to believe.
      they sawed a lot of iron in the country and handed it over to ferrous metal. nobody really bothered
    2. 0
      3 January 2023 10: 52
      demand for used Soviet machines is very high


      !!!
    3. +7
      3 January 2023 11: 22
      Yes of course. Nobody will. Russian capitalism is a bunch of thieves who got the property of the USSR for free. Hence the attitude, what are the long-term prospects, if money is being paid for iron now.
      I remember how at the former Tula airport they sold the An-24, which was 20 years old, for metal. It is now, the machine is irreplaceable and the surviving specimens were up to a respectable age.
      And then, the people became impoverished, they could no longer use air transport, but they got a lot of planes from the USSR. And the West paid well for non-ferrous metals.
    4. +9
      3 January 2023 12: 07
      For a repair plant, the main thing is the building, access roads, communications, cranes and loading platforms. The lack of missing machines can be quickly compensated.
    5. Alf
      +1
      3 January 2023 21: 52
      Quote: Eug
      demand for used Soviet machines is very high

      Metal receivers, but not leaders.
  26. +10
    3 January 2023 10: 45
    War is war, and new HC and TC are on schedule. And you, let's go there, get in line at the military registration and enlistment offices
    1. +3
      3 January 2023 13: 24
      Shopping malls are not good either. They started to burn more often. The taxes and maintenance costs are too high.
  27. +11
    3 January 2023 10: 57
    For the repair of equipment, new equipment is not needed, the main thing is that the cranes are working. After all, repair is to disassemble and remove the damaged part and put another in its place - a new one or from a donor. And in the end, you can buy a couple of machines, otherwise it all looks like the destruction of another factory and a residential complex will be built on an excellent site.
    1. +1
      3 January 2023 11: 52
      Quote from Etoya
      the destruction of another plant and a residential complex will be built on an excellent site.

      You even look at the map, damn it where, in the industrial zone, next to the railway.
      Atlichny residential complex, yeah ...
      1. +5
        3 January 2023 17: 34
        You even look at the map, damn it where, in the industrial zone, next to the railway.
        Atlichny residential complex, yeah ...
        Now there is such a word RENOVATION and with a flick of the pen the ENTIRE industrial zone turns into residential development. Moreover, without schools, kindergartens and clinics, because schools, etc. it is not profitable).
      2. Alf
        +1
        3 January 2023 21: 54
        Quote: your1970
        Quote from Etoya
        the destruction of another plant and a residential complex will be built on an excellent site.

        You even look at the map, damn it where, in the industrial zone, next to the railway.
        Atlichny residential complex, yeah ...

        The main thing is to conduct an advertising campaign correctly so that future carriers of 20-year-old ropes around their necks will be bought, and the grass will not grow there.
    2. -2
      3 January 2023 12: 19
      If only cranes are needed, then a separate plant is not needed for this, and where they will find specialists, they will wait for pensioners for 25 thousand rubles. (I have not heard about a significant increase in salaries in the defense industry)
      1. +1
        3 January 2023 13: 14
        In the summer, people were massively recruited for a local factory related to the defense industry. On-site training. They promised decent pay. At first, shift workers and specialists were invited. With accommodation and free meals. Now the ads are no longer heard. Apparently the state was recruited.
  28. +9
    3 January 2023 11: 00
    When will the people understand that for the ranks we are all sheep and nothing more. And we go to an incomprehensible war for them. Where are such things possible? Only here. So don't scream. After the fact that Yeltsin was the president of this country and everything that was happening with Russia was swallowed by the people, I am no longer surprised at anything. He endured and endured in Africa. I somehow no longer believe that the country can survive. Well, we don't have people who really love our country. Absolutely no. Many will shout blah blah blah. But this is the only thing that the people in Russia can do. And this has already been banned by law at all levels, even on the Internet it cannot be condemned. Ukrainians think in vain resist? They don't want to join us. It is better to work for anyone and live with anyone than with Russia. They have it in their heads forever. It's a pity that our guys are dying in vain. You will condemn me. But in fact, I love my country very much and am very worried that our rulers are all just insatiable traitors. And then I do not know anyone who can come to power and change everything for the better. Any official, no matter how big or small, already steals and will continue to steal. And it will never stop. All countries see this and believe that we have no right to live on this earth. There are too many bowels in our land that can be used for the benefit of many. So they climb on us to take it all away from us. They think that the people will step aside and go. And we go and beat them. Then again we live protecting thieves. Hell you'll understand. The only time we were lucky was with Stalin. But he is no more.
    1. -7
      3 January 2023 12: 22
      Did you write this from the trenches of Donbass? Power will always and everywhere be like this (with a bunch of vices and shortcomings), and at all times the Russian people have defended the country in spite of their attitude to power.
      1. +9
        3 January 2023 13: 13
        But it seems that never before in history have military operations been carried out simultaneously with the destruction of military factories in the rear by our own forces.
        1. -2
          3 January 2023 19: 05
          We do not work at this plant, who knows what is left of him and what he can repair. If BMP1 and BMP2 are as indicated in the article, they may not be available to repair.
          1. Alf
            +2
            3 January 2023 21: 57
            Quote: Vladimir80
            If BMP1 and BMP2 are as indicated in the article, they may not be available to repair.

            Will he not be able to repair BMP-3 or BMD? Is the difference fundamental?
          2. +2
            4 January 2023 01: 43
            Quote: Vladimir80
            We do not work at this plant, who knows what is left of him and what he can repair. If BMP1 and BMP2 are as indicated in the article, they may not be available to repair.
            Read articles on VO - they only send to the army modernized BMP-1, 2 - they change the turret, electronics, if possible the motor - the hull practically remains the same - little is heard about the BMP-3, 4 ... about the "Kurganets" and T-15 - a chance to meet unicorn, bigfoot and UFO in one place much more sad
            1. Alf
              0
              4 January 2023 18: 27
              Quote: cat Rusich
              little is heard about the BMP-3, 4 ... about the "Kurganets" and T-15 - the chance to meet a unicorn, Bigfoot and a UFO in one place is much greater

              Alas...
  29. +2
    3 January 2023 11: 03
    The cooperative LAKE is doing its dirty work....
  30. 0
    3 January 2023 11: 07
    Before selling for demolition and development, make them have an estimate, put money in the bank, by analogy with home developers
  31. +10
    3 January 2023 11: 10
    There have been hundreds of such decisions in Russia in recent years. And what did you expect from the current authorities? What time, while there is a war, the power will be different?!
    Naivnyak)) SVO simply showed that the degree of theft, incompetence, incompetence, disregard for citizens and the country has long been beyond all limits of reason
  32. +6
    3 January 2023 11: 17
    In my opinion, the court should call a spade a spade. If this is a betrayal, then a betrayal. Only there will be no judgment. This is ordinary capitalism. As during WWI, Russian businessmen sold sugar to Germany, so now they sell what they need to win. Very patriotic, and most importantly, profitable for someone. And there are not one or two such sales - this is a system, a system that will bring the country to collapse. And the authorities are looking for "sedition", but they do not notice such things at all. Hooray, gentlemen! Forward to the victory of capitalism over the Russian Federation! So we will win! I didn't forget anything?!
  33. +2
    3 January 2023 11: 40
    There used to be a repair plant in Belogorsk, I remember that MTLBs were tested, there was a column of dust over the gardens. There was a plant in Progress too. I didn’t hear about Vozzhaevka.
  34. +5
    3 January 2023 11: 56
    And why not transplant all these figures with confiscation? There will be something to reanimate the factories.
    1. Alf
      0
      3 January 2023 21: 58
      Quote: Alexander Toroshchin
      And why not transplant all these figures with confiscation?

      Lord, what a naivety? Who will plant something? Those who approve and allow all this?
  35. +5
    3 January 2023 12: 16
    Where is the Supreme? He didn't know about it????
  36. +11
    3 January 2023 12: 34
    By the way, did anyone remember the unsinkable Chemezov for some great achievements?
    Well, apart from the scandal with Ksyusha Sobchak, whose manager tried to blackmail him? And blackmail rarely happens from scratch, otherwise it would not be effective.
    Otherwise, we all love to scold the merchant Serdyukov, forgetting that before that the army was being destroyed by the "professional" Sergei Ivanov, and the professional diplomat, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov helped to defeat Saakashvili's coup of roses.
    We love to look everywhere for the "Jewish conspiracy", as well as the "dominance of the Germans" 100 years ago.
    And here they are - the heroes: Ivanov, Ivanov, Serdyukov, Vasilva, Chemezov ...
    But the king does not know. As believed until January 9, 1905, the workers of the Putilov and other factories. And with prayers, icons, children and wives in festive clothes, they set off along the Peterhof road (now Stachek Avenue).
    But they only reached the Narva Gates, the tsar preferred to sit in Tsarskoe Selo (coronavirus?), Instructing the St. Petersburg Governor-General to "solve".
    He decided that 12 years later, the tsar and the family were not particularly sorry for anyone in Russia (on a massive scale) either when they abdicated or when they were shot.
    And now, a hundred years later, the answer to the question: "would it continue to reign - would it be better?" ambiguous.
    A king who, like "does not know" is not real.
    Which does not like, or does not want to solve complex and unpleasant problems, but shoves them off to someone anyway - is he a king at all? Or a "private person" as Nikolai Romanov wanted to live.
    Lived. A little. It’s a pity for the princesses, the good girls were according to the descriptions, but the king and the queen, and the heir, because of which extra seas of blood could shed - it’s not a pity, the zainiz folder decided everything. And in many ways back in January 1905.
    1. +3
      3 January 2023 17: 50
      I’ll add that then we Japan war that ...... prolimonized))) some strange analogies, comrades
  37. +6
    3 January 2023 12: 40
    Apparently they decided not to repair the old equipment, I feel that after the SVO we will simply have no stocks of equipment. Then how much of this equipment was abandoned in the Kharkov region. Then the Ukrainians post a video in which they repair our own equipment.
    Well, who helps the West, like our fifth column, which was ruining the military industry, military schools, closed airfields, closed military units. What we actually see is that we do not have an army to send to the front. And where are those forecasters who planned the NWO? We didn't even think it would be enough.
    It is no secret that earlier the equipment of warehouses was dismantled (in case of war), because no money was allocated for repairs.
    Will they build new ones? I’m sure they won’t build anything, everything will also fall apart. But there was already a factory here, there were people who could be returned. They brought in Rostec, which does not want to develop the plant.
  38. +5
    3 January 2023 12: 44
    Until the government and leadership are not responsible for their decisions, nothing good will happen. 30 years have shown complete irresponsibility for the decisions made by this government
    Tell me to whom the president answers and you will understand the complete collapse of the state administration system, all issues are resolved not by law, but by direct decrees of the president, but this is only in cases if he noticed something, and if he did not notice and was not informed, an example of a cut down and taken to China poltaiga
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    1. +6
      3 January 2023 13: 11
      In wartime conditions, even the building itself is of great value, but it looks like they are preparing to demolish it. It will take years to design and agree on the construction of a new building for the plant.
  40. +4
    3 January 2023 13: 10
    There is an ideology in Russia. Monetization. Everything they can get their hands on
  41. +3
    3 January 2023 13: 21
    The other day, Mr. Skomorokhov wrote about the reform of the Armed Forces and the forces and means that are needed for this. Personally, I got the impression that we are being deceived again (I'm not talking about the author of the article, I'm talking about the authors of the reforms). For the country no longer has such forces and means, and soon there will be nothing to eat at all. And here - bam! Article about the repair plant, for his authorship. Hands down? I have yes. From all that has been said, it is still incomprehensible to me - how are these "comrades", who plundered the country to the skin, are going to live on? I'm not talking about their pangs of conscience ("blue thieves" died out long ago), I'm talking about how they are going to live on with stolen money? In Russia? Sooner or later, the "fried rooster" will get to their estates, there will be those to whom their mansions will be an eyesore. Abroad? But you still need to get out there. And the borders will be closed at an uneven hour! And even if they escaped, don't they think that one day polite people from the local Federal Tax Service will come to them and demand to prove the legitimacy of their enrichment? And for starters, they will freeze accounts. Weren't there already examples? Or did the thirst for profit completely beat off their survival instincts?
  42. +4
    3 January 2023 13: 24
    It’s a pity for your own machine only for the worker who works on it or the groom for his horse, but the clown or the actor cannot understand this.
  43. +6
    3 January 2023 13: 49
    Sad story. Even the governor in his area cannot stop this lawlessness. And again, a scheme with a dummy gasket, just created to make sure for the future. And then suddenly the power will change, the thieves will be brought to trial, and then - “no, it was not me, it was this LLC who bought it” - and the bribes are smooth. Abomination.
    1. 0
      3 January 2023 17: 47
      yes, the scheme is working, why bother, then when Baikalfinancegroup with 10 thousand of the authorized Yukos managed to buy)
  44. +4
    3 January 2023 14: 11
    there’s no point in even writing something, Putin and his cronies don’t care anyway.
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  46. +1
    3 January 2023 14: 22
    There has never been such a thing!
    And yes - here it is again
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  48. +9
    3 January 2023 14: 52
    And the "repressions" of the 30s do not seem so tough ..
  49. +7
    3 January 2023 15: 02
    To whom is the war - and to whom is the mother dear. For "effective managers" the main thing is the loot, and just that they are easy in Upper Lars and beyond. And after all, it was Putin’s regime that brought them up - there’s not even anyone to blame here ...
  50. +8
    3 January 2023 15: 02
    And the 30-45 year old mobilized fools will be told rotten tales about patriotism, the Motherland, the "people's war" and the "Russian world". Very funny. Comrade Lenin wrote about all this abomination more than 100 years ago.
  51. +6
    3 January 2023 15: 15
    That’s the end of the fairy tale, and whoever listened was the same as always. But someone else had a delicious meal. It doesn’t matter that there is a war going on, we need Victory, a war of survival. It's the little things. This is something “sacred”, money needs to be cut. So why are we better than the Ukrainians?
  52. -1
    3 January 2023 15: 52
    The situation may go one way or the other.
    I did not see evidence of malicious destruction of the plant in the article.
    It may indeed be cheaper and easier to make a new one than to invest in an old one.
    1. Alf
      0
      4 January 2023 18: 29
      Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36
      It may indeed be cheaper and easier to make a new one than to invest in an old one.

      Is it possible to build a new one FIRST, and then demolish the OLD one?
  53. 0
    3 January 2023 17: 18
    And all this is being done at the behest of Western “partners” (a favorite expression of Lavrov’s party leader), who are directing the plunder of Russia’s natural resources and not allowing strikes on truly strategic objects of the Ukrainian Reich, and even more so (God forbid) on decision-making centers and those who make these decisions accepts! Temporary workers have sold and betrayed and will continue to sell and betray Russia! A repetition of Russian history, the troubled times of the 17th century are repeated in the 21st century...
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  56. +2
    3 January 2023 18: 48
    Quote: F-12
    In a planned economy, these same factories were built, and in huge quantities. Surely you had a subject in school, history. So, in our country, with the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, strong changes occurred, primarily in the economy. It was the damned scoops, who could only produce galoshes, who created the country on the ruins of which we now live. Almost immediately after coming to power, they set a course for electrifying the country. You've probably heard about Stalin's industrialization somewhere. In the beautiful Russia that we lost (the Russian Empire), there was no full-fledged industry, it was an agricultural country in which effective managers (kulaks) sold grain abroad while there was a shortage within the country.
    So, from a country that does not have a normal industry, the Bolsheviks created the most powerful industrial state with a stable planned economy.
    Or do you think that the T 34 appeared out of the blue, they took it on their own and with a prayer, and the new ones with the crews rushed into battle?
    All this industrial power ended up in the hands of people who ruined this country and robbed it. They did not earn their capital by honest labor, but stole it from the national economy.
    So the dude writes correctly, this is how the market economy works. It is much more profitable to fucking destroy the plant and build an LCD there, or a warehouse for products from China, in the most favorable case, there will be some kind of SKD assembly from imported spare parts.
    The merging of the state and private business and the corruption that you write about are all business interests. To put it simply - ordinary fascism. Read the economic programs of the Italian fascists with their corporate state structure. Google the word autarky, for example, and a lot will become clear.
    Capitalism is moving towards monopolization, monopolies, large industrial and financial organizations are merging with the state. apparatus for solving their business interests, including abroad with the involvement of guys like PMC Wagner.
    So the market economy is still like, moreover, fascism is the most developed form of capitalism. And just like in Italy in the 40s they solved their business issues while the war was going on, in the same way our relatives, spiritual oligarchs solve their problems while the war is going on, they don’t care about the lives of soldiers, like your repair plant, the military-industrial complex, the army, to jobs, etc.
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  58. +6
    3 January 2023 19: 10
    They sold it at the price of scrap metal... Can anyone imagine that a plant capable of repairing armored vehicles while maintaining a database! could have been destroyed under Stalin? Fifth column in action... am
  59. +6
    3 January 2023 19: 16
    Quote: Andvigor
    As a person who has been working in the industry for more than 30 years, I consider the decision not to save scrap metal to be the right one, unfortunately. This is not a factory, but an antiques warehouse.
    It will be right to build a new one, and the speed of building a new one is a priority.
    I understand the author, everything is gone ... and ... with him.
    From the trash (and I know perfectly well what kind of machine park at such factories) you can only squeeze a tear.
    We need to build something new, and as quickly as possible.
    Rostec is right.

    Where will you get new machines? Is there really a machine tool industry in Russia and it was created in 20 years?
    Where will you find specialists? Weren’t all our vocational schools demolished in the 90s? In my city, they were all destroyed, what remained was a chemical technical school and also a mining technical school, but as people I knew at the mining school said, they are also idiots. So where will we get specialists? Those who worked at this repair plant will sit at home and wait for a new one to be built?
    Those who still know how to work as a turner, milling operator, engineers, they die in the Northern Military District, and in the spring, taking into account such losses, not just individual but massive as in Makeyevka, there will be more mobilization. There will be no one to work on the machines at all, and the young people will carry a box with the inscription Yandex food either sits in MVideo or DNS or in a bank as a consultant, you can’t sharpen a lot of details on a machine.
    PS: I once watched a program about import substitution of cheeses. Everything is cool, our own cheeses are delicious, BUT there is a problem, all the equipment in the workshops is imported, although in my opinion it is not so sophisticated and they don’t print chips on it, they could do it themselves, but why not can we buy from overseas? That’s all import substitution, cut off the supply of equipment and there will be no more Russian cheese.
  60. 0
    3 January 2023 19: 25
    I hope at least Zaitsev from this whole bunch turns out to be a patriot! laughing
  61. -5
    3 January 2023 19: 34
    The repair plant needed by the front went under the hammer for metal


    More precisely, the former repair plant, which had not been operating for several years, went under the hammer. And it was in such a state that it was easier and cheaper to build a new one than to revive this one.
    Stop looking for potential among ruined factories that have not worked for years, where everything of value has long been stolen, and what remains is outright rubbish and the resuscitation of which will take years.
    Otherwise, some people think that there was a fully operational plant with working equipment from which, just shake off the dust and start up the workers, and hundreds of repaired military equipment will immediately start flowing.
    1. +4
      3 January 2023 20: 54
      Quote: lopvlad
      Otherwise, some people think that there was a fully operational plant with working equipment from which, just shake off the dust and start up the workers, and hundreds of repaired military equipment will immediately start flowing.

      In 1941, Stalin asked the director of Krasny Sormovo:
      - When will the plant be able to start producing tanks?
      - A few months later, Comrade. Stalin.
      “In two months there are tanks - there is Rubinchik, no tanks - there is no Rubinchik,” Stalin answered briefly...
      1. +2
        4 January 2023 10: 04
        Because by that moment it became clear that the kirdyk was coming and the only way was possible, cruelly, without options. Do or die. This applied to everyone. Today society has not yet realized what is happening and what it threatens. The thunder hasn't struck yet. The army is fighting, sawing in the rear, making money and putting on a show.
      2. 0
        12 January 2023 19: 47
        isv000. Mister Stalin why were you so harsh with the Jews? Who else could I rely on?
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    1. 0
      3 January 2023 20: 56
      Quote: pleschakovai
      Who is in favor of creating a museum of the traitor to Russia and the USSR in Yekaterinburg instead of the Yeltsin Center???

      Only on the site of the Gorbachev Museum...
  63. +4
    3 January 2023 20: 00
    Yes, more than one plant ended up like this, it’s a pity for the specialists, there was 487 TsARZ in the village of Alkino-2, although the auto strategists were working for an old one, one might say it was a city-forming enterprise, local specialists worked for more than a dozen years. Alas, at the time of Stoolkin they made a JSC or an LLC, I don’t remember. Now only the territory and walls remain, no equipment, no specialists! Hooray, everything was optimized without creating anything new, without using cool specialists!!!
  64. +2
    3 January 2023 20: 18
    What debts can a military plant have? What is the state for?
  65. +1
    3 January 2023 20: 38
    What the article is about is unclear. This colonel - did he really think that his voice had any weight? There, the “generals” had already decided everything for him a long time ago... O. Henry had a story “Babies in the Jungle.” The same situation
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  67. -3
    3 January 2023 20: 43
    Quote: pleschakovai
    Yakov Kedmi said: the elite in Russia, in the USA, in Europe is degrading, in power are illiterate, corrupt, immoral, greedy people, people without conscience, without honor, no faith in anything!!! The collapse of the USSR was Yeltsin's personal project. Who is in favor of creating a museum of the traitor to Russia and the USSR in Yekaterinburg instead of the Yeltsin Center??? am am am angry angry angry

    Your Yakov Kedmi is Solovyov’s friend... that says a lot... enemy
  68. +4
    3 January 2023 20: 44
    Quote from Mazunga
    yes, the scheme is working, why bother, then when Baikalfinancegroup with 10 thousand of the authorized Yukos managed to buy)

    Did YUKOS emerge from scratch?) Or are these fragments of the USSR oil industry?
  69. +2
    3 January 2023 20: 47
    Quote: cast iron
    Since 1991, people like you have been doing nothing but destroying "economically unprofitable assets." And without building anything new. NOTHING.

    You shouldn't be doing that... enough new factories have been built. For example - SEZ Alabuga, in an open field there are more than 40 enterprises... when I was there personally - pride...
    1. +3
      3 January 2023 21: 42
      Quote from Buyan
      Enough new factories have been built. For example - SEZ Alabuga, in an open field there are more than 40 enterprises... when I was there personally - pride...

      What exactly are they producing at these enterprises, can you answer? Or assembly from imported components and parts. Which is now covered with a copper basin, due to sanctions.
    2. +2
      4 January 2023 18: 06
      “You shouldn’t be doing that... enough new factories have been built. For example, FEZ Alabuga”
      example is not the best. this Alabuga has existed for a long time, branches of bourgeois factories (again, not ours), from Finland to Turkey, and an assortment of toilet paper, disposable tableware, again toilet paper. only a few factories out of “more than 40 enterprises” produce truly complex products, such as ball valves for Gazprom. but again - bourgeois technology and bourgeois equipment
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  71. +1
    3 January 2023 21: 11
    [/quote]What debts can a military plant have? What is the state for?[quote]


    Debts arise, among other things, due to the underutilization of enterprises. When there is not enough equipment for repairs, then there are not enough orders, but you still have to pay for light, heat, etc. So enterprises fall on their side and only some of them can be saved through manual control. Much has been written above about factories with modern equipment, but the specifics of repair enterprises are such that it is more desirable to have universal equipment, which, although not new, is still available at existing enterprises. Because one combat vehicle has one breakdown, while another may have everything differently. But of course there are also pricing issues here; sometimes the prices for repairs and manufacturing are jacked up out of proportion. In the current conditions of the Northern Military District, the best thing would be, of course, to load the plant and at the same time modernize it. But, as they say, “we wanted the best, but it turned out as always,” although maybe it’s still possible to play the situation back?
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 55
      That is, win it back? Pull it out of the grave? This only happens in fairy tales and films.
  72. +3
    3 January 2023 21: 40
    Unpunished sabotage and blatant lack of professionalism, complete dishonesty are the cancers of modern Russia.

    To eradicate this, it is necessary to destroy the current internal system of semi-wild, bestial primitive capitalism, hiding behind pseudo-patriotic chatter.
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      +4
      3 January 2023 22: 29
      Quote: RoTTor
      To eradicate this, it is necessary to destroy the current internal system of semi-wild, bestial primitive capitalism, hiding behind pseudo-patriotic chatter.

      You said everything correctly, but there is no other capitalism and the Soviet phrase about “the bestial grin of capitalism” is not an empty phrase.
    2. +1
      5 January 2023 12: 28
      on this pseudo-patriotic chatter they earn forgiveness in the West, if not for playing along, everything would have long ago ended in victory, and not in a sluggish massacre with a foreseeable end in the foreseeable future......
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    1. 0
      12 January 2023 19: 59
      Do you mean the so-called "Poltinik" in Sverdlovsk? I worked there when I was 60 years old. The plant was excellent. Why did death come to him?
  74. +2
    3 January 2023 22: 27
    To spite the country, the “authorities” gave a New Year’s gift to “RABBIT-Zaitsev”. I wonder whose son this is????????????
  75. +3
    3 January 2023 23: 29
    So they will work themselves out to the point where they will lose the war and go to trial at an international tribunal. Even a sense of self-preservation cannot help them tear their “snout away from the feeding trough”
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  77. +1
    4 January 2023 04: 03
    You have to make tanks, grandmas. During the war - that's it.
    А
    The President of Russia gave voluminous instructions to the government in connection with the special operation

    this is in the next article.
  78. -2
    4 January 2023 06: 39
    If the prostitute-blogger Shariy reads VO, then this is ideal material for him. Expect another bucket of slop for Rostec and the Russian Defense Ministry.
  79. +2
    4 January 2023 08: 09
    In conditions of a protracted military conflict, it is short-sighted to liquidate a ready-made enterprise. In wartime, ordinary economic logic does not work. You can equip it, launch the production of mines, shells or any other popular products. There are potbelly stoves in garages as an example of products that are desperately needed by the front.
  80. 0
    4 January 2023 09: 40
    The plant is still listed as a strategic defense enterprise today! The fate of the plant during bankruptcy proceedings is decided by creditors! You can introduce external management, financial recovery, conclude a settlement agreement, and if this is not possible, destroy the plant by putting it up for auction. The decision to sell was made at a meeting of creditors! Today, 99,9% of the creditor is the state, represented by the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation and RosTech State Corporation! I am sure that in our country Laws play a dominant role! If a decision is made to destroy the plant, it means that the state does not need it according to the situation and current legislation! According to the commentary on the article, 99.99% are outraged by the destruction of the plant, and these are citizens of our country! This means something was done wrong, maybe our deputies who represent the interests of citizens will answer this question? I am sure that the truth will prevail; whether it will have time to touch 9 TsARZ, as they say, only God knows! But let’s hope that nothing depends on us today, let it be on the conscience of those who made this decision
  81. 0
    4 January 2023 10: 45
    Quote: Third District
    Quote from Buyan
    Enough new factories have been built. For example - SEZ Alabuga, in an open field there are more than 40 enterprises... when I was there personally - pride...

    What exactly are they producing at these enterprises, can you answer? Or assembly from imported components and parts. Which is now covered with a copper basin, due to sanctions.

    As an example - Aurus cars))) this is only 1 plant... Google it...
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      0
      4 January 2023 18: 34
      Quote from Buyan
      As an example - Aurus cars))) this is only 1 plant... Google it...

      Hurray! How many foreign parts are there in the Aurus? Google it...
      By the way, are there factories producing machine tools in this “free zone”? PRODUCTION, not ASSEMBLY?
  82. -3
    4 January 2023 15: 51
    Comrades, what does corruption have to do with it? If there was money to be made at this plant, they would have left it and made money. But due to the bureaucracy of Moscow, the wear and tear of the material and technical parts, the lack of personnel and vague prospects on the part of the customer, no one wanted to get involved with such an enterprise. And I suggest that everyone who is suffering from the plant take out a joint loan and buy out such an enterprise. But hardly anyone wants to get up from the couch.
  83. -3
    4 January 2023 16: 15
    Gentlemen, commentators! Of course, we need to give them money so that they can cheat the customer RosTech one more time! That’s right, commentators, 450 lyams is not money?
  84. +2
    4 January 2023 16: 59
    Well, it’s time for people not only to chip in for copters, but for all the people to buy out military factories? If all citizens are shareholders, does anyone have the right to sell later? And pensioners need to buy out Sberbank to preserve and replenish their pensions. And buy the whole country from the oligarchs or simply expropriate it in favor of the people and the state?
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      0
      4 January 2023 18: 36
      Quote: VLVL
      And pensioners need to buy out Sberbank

      Who will sell it to you? "This is the leg of someone who needs a leg..."
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  86. +2
    4 January 2023 17: 57
    "Reforms" continue! Yeltsin and Gorbachev will be blamed again.
    The country is at war, you nationalize enterprises. Let them repair the equipment. Sort out the debts, there may be hidden schemes. And the money will be found, and the deadlines should be astronomical.
    On the one hand, they are developing measures to refuse and delay government orders - here the enterprise is being ruined. request
    1. +1
      4 January 2023 19: 54
      There is nothing hidden there. A real estate appraiser, when he assigns an inflated cadastral or inventory value, receives praise. The taxman who assesses the tax also gets praise. MPs who vote for higher taxes also receive praise.
      And the owner, who has received a tax notice, clutches his head, but can no longer do anything.
      The sovereign’s people, it seems, have not yet understood that in the event of defeat, at best, The Hague awaits them, and at worst, the dungeons of the SBU.
      The SBU is already opening cases and bringing charges.
  87. 0
    4 January 2023 18: 35
    and who is responsible for our industry?? ...manturov... and all he has on his mind is trade, and only with Aurus... what kind of industry is there?
  88. +1
    4 January 2023 20: 18
    It’s all very simple, those who pushed for the destruction of this and other factories, IMHO, have already sent messages to the West, they say, count the destruction of factories towards the removal of arrests from my accounts, the accounts of my children and mistresses and, naturally, arrests from houses in the French Alps . Read that I am yours in body and soul and am ready to harm the hated “No. Raska - a city in Serbia” as best I can.
  89. 0
    4 January 2023 20: 24
    Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
    And all this is being done at the behest of Western “partners” (a favorite expression of Lavrov’s party leader), who are directing the plunder of Russia’s natural resources and not allowing strikes on truly strategic objects of the Ukrainian Reich, and even more so (God forbid) on decision-making centers and those who make these decisions accepts! Temporary workers have sold and betrayed and will continue to sell and betray Russia! A repetition of Russian history, the troubled times of the 17th century are repeated in the 21st century...

    Well, take not the 1917th century, but XNUMX. Then everything ended very badly for Nikolasha. The army, the navy, the gendarmerie, EVERYONE gave him a kick in the ass! Not a single regiment, not a single ship rose in defense of Nikolasha. But he imagined that he was reliably fenced off by the bayonets of the army, the pikes of the Cossacks, and the gendarmerie bloodhounds. The disappointment was overwhelming. Who knows, whether the refusal to go to defense today will not be a bitter disappointment for some, if the policy of betrayal continues?
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    1. 0
      12 January 2023 20: 07
      No, they won’t find it. Remember about the warehouses that are written about in “The Good Soldier Schweik”. The mice gnawed everything in the warehouses and hanged the cats for it.
  91. +1
    5 January 2023 11: 43
    Quote from StarWarrior
    We all need to URGENTLY write a collective letter to Putin, the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Krasnov, the director of the FSB of the Russian Federation Bortnikov, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu!

    It's actually a circus! You saw which mansion Shoigu lives in, found someone to write to... I was especially pleased with the former director, a colonel. To manage a commercial enterprise, you need to be in business for 20 years, know everything and everyone, and not from position to position. And it’s probably only the aliens who don’t know how they used to receive orders from the Ministry of Defense... this is not a sealed secret. They really seem to be adults, but everyone lives like they are in a fairyland.
  92. 0
    5 January 2023 12: 13
    it showed what modern Russia is, it is something incomprehensible and difficult to explain from the side of the common man........
    1. 0
      12 January 2023 20: 11
      This is exactly what happened under the Tsar in the First World War. They made boots for the army. Everything was fine, but when it started to rain, my boots fell apart. It turned out that the soles were made of cardboard. The company that made these boots was not found, but the money was paid.
  93. 0
    5 January 2023 12: 13
    If Volodin was there, then everything was approved by Putin. Something like this...
  94. +1
    5 January 2023 13: 52
    Volodin is such a buffoon in the State Duma who thinks that the people are stupid.
    According to Chemezov, they have been crying for a long time with a life sentence, but in fact, execution.
    But unfortunately we will not see this, the vertical of power is built in such a way that hand washes hand, nepotism flourishes.
    In such a difficult time for the country, changes in management, solving personnel and corruption issues are not visible at all.
    The people are straining their veins, trying to win the war to which our “magnificent” government has brought us, and our bureaucrats live as if nothing is happening.
  95. 0
    5 January 2023 15: 34
    Well, what can I say, nothing has fundamentally changed since the blessed 90s.
    NATO will soon easily and naturally supply 2 armored vehicles to Ukraine (France, Turkey, Germany, USA). There are 000 of them in conservation in the USA alone.
    Scratching the bottom of the barrel, they will give out 10 pieces. How will we answer, good gentlemen?
  96. 0
    5 January 2023 22: 54
    There are a lot of smart structures, from StopHam to deputies..... What do they do?
  97. +1
    5 January 2023 23: 17
    It’s tough, at a time when we need to repair military equipment and increase production as quickly as possible. There are no other words other than to call this deliberate sabotage.
  98. 0
    6 January 2023 03: 34
    Like 172 Tsars in Voronezh, which was also optimized by effective managers shortly before the SVO
  99. 0
    6 January 2023 10: 54
    Money has been allocated for three factories...Why support the existing one? The looted money so promised to the people with the words “you will lose” now needs to be poured in..This is where the next jackals appeared....And those who have factories did not please the RF Ministry of Defense...It doesn’t matter for what reasons.... And if Putin had introduced martial law, then... they would take it at the residual value and that’s it... But no, there’s no point in creating corruption schemes... and what about the blood of their own... Yes, they don’t have their own... what’s in Ukraine, what’s here... And NON-PEOPLE are usually very, well, a very secular and so unloving nation on this planet... And the point here is not in the president himself, but in the conditions created by him personally throughout all the years of his reign. not the leadership...In such a situation, we will not definitely win. They will conclude a peace under the guarantees of Turkey or Spain..Can you imagine, those who are fighting with us will definitely give guarantees...part of our associates..And the plundering of national wealth will continue.So Now there is a moratorium on military operations at the request, you hear, the request of a minority of the population. At the suggestion of a former rogue... Well, how can you fight here.....? But still I want to hope that the above will not happen.. Here But do you have the strength to rule the country manually, surrounded by the enemies of those who are now fighting in Ukraine... You should listen to how the guys who arrived from there talk about it, regardless of whether they are an officer or a soldier. The latter have less frequent expressions and more and more obscenities ...towards the authorities.. One thing is for sure - it’s time for Putin to stop poking his nose into the affairs of the Commander of the troops deployed in Ukraine.. And this is a fact. He may end up like Nicholas 2... And this is also a fact.. historical.. ...
  100. 0
    9 January 2023 16: 29
    Well, then in Dubai they celebrated... They treated, so to speak, the intermediary. You know who!