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M2 Bradley vs. BMP-3 - potential confrontation in Ukraine

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M2 Bradley vs. BMP-3 - potential confrontation in Ukraine
Bradley M2A3. They can make real competition to the BMP-3. But American infantry fighting vehicles in this modification are unlikely to appear in Ukraine. Source: vk.com



First Swallow


Until now, NATO has refrained from supplying armored vehicles of its own production, equipped with at least minimal cannon armament. The legacy of the Soviet Union is coming to Ukraine, which, unfortunately, is still enough in Eastern Europe. According to the most conservative estimates, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles from the stocks of the countries of the Eastern bloc will last until the end of 2023. Of course, if the NATO military-industrial complex manages to replace donations to Kyiv with modern equipment. From here, information from an unnamed person in the US government about the possibility of supplying the BMP M2 Bradley to Ukraine looks quite unexpected. Recall that earlier the Americans sent Kyiv a lot of M113 tracked armored personnel carriers and M1117 wheeled armored personnel carriers. The heaviest armament of these vehicles was a 40-mm Mk 19 automatic grenade launcher - otherwise they were infantry fire support vehicles, nothing more. And now they are talking about the M2 Bradley, and immediately in iridescent colors. For example, analyst Mark Kanchian, who once worked in the White House, argues that

"The Bradley will provide a significant increase in ground combat capability because it is essentially a light tank."

It is possible and necessary to argue with such self-confidence of the ex-official, but not this time. The M2 Bradley is a typical NATO-standard infantry fighting vehicle developed during the height of the Cold War and tailored to combat Soviet armored vehicles. Of course, in addition to the main tasks - fire support for tanks and transportation of manpower.








Bradley has aluminum armor. This machine is similar to the BMP-3. Source: vk.com

It is necessary to determine several basic points in stories with potential deliveries of M2 Bradley to Ukraine. First, infantry fighting vehicles will appear in the theater of operations not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. At best, at the end of spring of the current year. The Americans need time both to train the crews and to create the necessary infrastructure - the cars need to be maintained and repaired somewhere. These are not self-propelled howitzers operating at a decent distance from the front, the M2 Bradley is supposed to be used in areas of front breakthrough, which will inevitably lead to losses. Disabled infantry fighting vehicles need to be repaired, that is, qualified mechanics and the necessary stock of components are needed. The option of delivering each M2 Bradley from the east of the country to Poland, as happens with the PzH 2000 and Krab self-propelled guns, is too expensive. The second point regarding American infantry fighting vehicles is that vehicles will be delivered to Ukraine not from the latest modifications, but from the availability at storage bases. About two thousand Bradleys in the M2A2 and M2A2 ODS versions accumulated overseas. Now the most modern version of the American BMP is the M2A4, which recently entered service with the US Army. There is a new more powerful engine, an improved transmission, increased ground clearance from 380 to 510 mm, and, most importantly, the Iron Fist Light Decoupled (IFLD) active protection system developed by the Israeli company Elbit Systems. The appearance of this version in Ukraine is extremely unlikely, since the Americans themselves have no more than two hundred such infantry fighting vehicles. Therefore, we will proceed from the option of supplying machines of the M2A2 and M2A2 ODS (Operation Desert Storm) series, as the most massive and relatively inexpensive.




Landing in Bradley. Source: vk.com

Some experts consider the potential supply of Bradley to the Kyiv regime as the beginning of a new stage of Lend-Lease. BMPs will become a trial balloon or, if you like, the first signs before the appearance of the entire spectrum of NATO weapons. As soon as cars from the USA appear on the eastern front, they will revive in Germany. The Germans do not want to be the first in the supply of offensive weapons and, after the American launch, they may well send their Marders to Ukraine, and after some time - Leopard 2 tanks.

Bradley vs BMP-3


How much is an American infantry fighting vehicle worse or better than Russian? This is the first thought that comes to mind when you hear about the potential supply of Bradley to Ukraine. It is also necessary to place accents here. Firstly, direct fire contacts between infantry fighting vehicles at this stage of the special operation do not occur so often. This is due to the specifics of the positional confrontation, and the lack of infantry fighting vehicles among the nationalists. However, with the gradual saturation of the Ukrainian army with NATO infantry fighting vehicles, duels between vehicles of this type will be inevitable. Secondly, the BMP-1 and BMP-2 cannot compete with the Bradley in terms of security. The American machine was originally developed to deal specifically with Soviet armored vehicles, which led to its great firepower. The 25-mm M242 cannon hits the BMP-1 and -2 from almost any distance in any projection. Particularly dangerous are the M919 sub-caliber projectiles with a depleted uranium core, capable of penetrating more than 70 mm of homogeneous armor. At the same time, Bradley has a fairly serious reservation, for which they sacrificed the ability to swim without prior preparation. For reference, only cars from the very first M2 and M2A1 series could swim on a completely calm water surface. Subsequently, an increase in armored infantry fighting vehicles led to a critical increase in weight to 34 tons or more. The initial weight of the Bradley M2 did not exceed 22 tons.

But back to the domestic 30-mm armor-piercing shells of the 2A42 (BMP-2) and 2A72 (BMP-3) cannons, which are not capable of hitting Bradley in the forehead at a distance of 1500 meters. And there is nothing surprising in this - the American car appeared much later than the Soviet infantry fighting vehicles, which ensured a higher technical level of performance. With a high degree of probability, we can assume the appearance in Ukraine of vehicles with dynamic protection units BRAT (Bradley Reactive Armor Tile), which includes protective units mounted on the hull and turret. There are five sizes of dynamic protection blocks: for the forehead of the M3 hull weighing 13,48 kg each with 1,18 kg of explosives, M4 blocks are also mounted in the frontal part (weight - 2,68 kg with 0,27 kg of explosives), M5 is hung on the sides (weight - 33,46 kg with 2,68 kg of explosives), on the tower blocks M6 (weight - 13,7 kg with 1,32 kg of explosives) and blocks M7 (weight - 10,2 kg with 0,95 kg of explosives) . In total, 96 blocks are mounted on one Bradley, which significantly increases the resistance to cumulative weapons.






BMP Bradley М2А3 with BRAT (Bradley Reactive Armor Tile) complex in Syria. Source: vk.com

All of the above suggests that the most prepared enemy for Bradley is the domestic BMP-3, which appeared not much later than the American car. And here for the "American" is not good at all news. First of all, due to the unprecedented firepower for vehicles of this class. For example, the Bradley is designed exclusively as a tank fire support vehicle, as an independent combat unit, it is used only against a lightly armed enemy. A 100 mm 2A70 gun-launcher paired with a 30 mm 2A72 cannon provide the ability to "effective conduct of combat operations by motorized infantry units in the offensive and defense without the support of tanks and artillery". Perhaps Mark Kanchian should have referred to this car as a light tank, and not a Bradley. A 100 mm rifled gun is guaranteed to inflict fatal damage on an American infantry fighting vehicle in any design. Except for machines with an active protection system. The Russian cannon does not have the highest ballistics (the initial velocity of the projectile is 355 m / s), which allows the Israeli system to intercept it at the final stage of the flight.

By the way, once Bradley has already lost the BMP-3. We are talking about the UAE tender for the supply of infantry fighting vehicles, in which Russian equipment won. According to various sources, the Arabs now have up to 650 triples. For 2022, BMP-3 operators are at least 13 countries in which more than a thousand Russian vehicles serve.










A lot of Bradleys have been transferred to Europe, some of them may end up in Ukraine. Source: vk.com

The most stable when meeting with Bradley will be the BMP-3M variant with reinforced spaced armor. But this technique is not so much in the Russian army. Unfortunately, unlike the Americans, neither industrialists nor the army could reach the mass equipping of infantry fighting vehicles with dynamic protection. Although there are projects implemented in metal - for example, the Cactus DZ. This equipment would come in very handy in the face of the threat of Bradley using standard TOW-2 ATGMs capable of penetrating tank armor, not to mention light armored vehicles. According to the Americans, it was Bradley anti-tank missiles that destroyed more tanks in Iraq than Abrams. The Russian BMP-3 also has the ability to hit the enemy with ATGMs, only through the barrel of a 100-mm gun-launcher - we are talking about missiles of the 9K116 "Kastet" series.


The main advantage of the BMP-3 over the Bradley is its firepower and mobility. Source: 7themes.su

Despite all of the above, the BMP-3, even in stock, is capable of withstanding a 25 mm Bradley cannon head-on. Difficulties can arise only when meeting a 25-mm uranium "scrap" M919. The main caliber of the domestic armored vehicle, on the contrary, will leave no chance for the American.

The Russian armored vehicle of the American competitor is also superior in mobility. The specific power of the BMP-3 is 26,7 liters. s. / t., Bradley - no more than 21,7 liters. s./t. As has been repeatedly stated, it is mobility that is one of the most important factors for survival on the Ukrainian front. Where the Bradley outperforms the BMP-3 is in the greater ease of operation of the fully automatic transmission. In a domestic car, the driver selects gears manually, although without a clutch pedal. And, of course, the Bradley is distinguished by a more ergonomic troop compartment due to the engine located in the front. Everything here is classic - a massive aft ramp, and the BMP-3 has a forced dismounting through hatches in the roof of the hull on top of the engine. However, combat experience suggests that neither American nor Russian vehicles are used to transport infantry in the original sense of the word.
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 4 January 2023 06: 05
    +42
    SVO showed that there are no correct fights and never will be. Tank battles are sporadic, and then they suddenly ran into each other, shot and dispersed with one or another success. Fights between infantry fighting vehicles, nuuuu can and can be again, just like tanks. Guided projectiles, that is, ATGMs for the BMP-3, are available according to the nomenclature, but ask the crews of these vehicles, they have ever seen them live.
    The article is just to remind you that the Americans have BMP Bradley, and we have BMP-3, which is better than Bradley.
    1. Reklastik
      Reklastik 4 January 2023 09: 08
      +22
      and we have BMP-3, which is better than Bradley.
      - but which is smaller than Bradley, and therefore Bradley will be very lonely in the fields of Ukraine, that's the whole tale.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 4 January 2023 15: 06
        +1
        Quote: YOUR
        The article is just to remind you that the Americans have BMP Bradley, and we have BMP-3, which is better than Bradley.
        In almost all the photos, Bradley is hung with remote sensing, and the kind of remote sensing that is hung on it works well against the cumulative threat, but not so much against kinetic projectiles. The quality and thickness of the main armor works against kinetics. The main armor of the BMP-3 is much thicker.
        BMP-3 board thickness

        .... The BMP-3 received spaced armor, built on the basis of aluminum parts from the ABT-102 alloy and BT-70Sh armor steel. The upper frontal and zygomatic parts of the body are made of aluminum and have a thickness of 18 and 60 mm, respectively. The medium frontal part, which has a slight forward slope, includes 10 mm steel, 70 mm air gap, 12 mm steel and 60 mm aluminum sheets. The lower part has a similar design, but dispenses with the inner steel sheet. The boards are assembled from sheets ABT-102 with a thickness of 15 and 43 mm. The roof, stern and bottom are 15, 13 and 10 mm thick, respectively. The forehead of the tower received protection in the form of 16 mm steel, 70 mm air and 50 mm aluminum. An additional protection of the frontal projection is a wave-reflecting shield made of armored steel of small thickness.
        _The spaced and homogeneous armor of the BMP-3 provides all-round protection against large-caliber small arms. The frontal projection withstands shelling from a 30-mm cannon from a range of 200 m. ....

        BMP-3 with additional protection (bulwarks + DZ) the same thing happens, but they are not yet visible on the video from Ukraine.
        Early releases:

        Later
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 4 January 2023 17: 22
          -1
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Quote: YOUR
          The article is just to remind you that the Americans have BMP Bradley, and we have BMP-3, which is better than Bradley.
          In almost all the photos, Bradley is hung with remote sensing, and the kind of remote sensing that is hung on it works well against the cumulative threat, but not so much against kinetic projectiles. The quality and thickness of the main armor works against kinetics. The main armor of the BMP-3 is much thicker.
          BMP-3 board thickness

          .... The BMP-3 received spaced armor, built on the basis of aluminum parts from the ABT-102 alloy and BT-70Sh armor steel. The upper frontal and zygomatic parts of the body are made of aluminum and have a thickness of 18 and 60 mm, respectively. The medium frontal part, which has a slight forward slope, includes 10 mm steel, 70 mm air gap, 12 mm steel and 60 mm aluminum sheets. The lower part has a similar design, but dispenses with the inner steel sheet. The boards are assembled from sheets ABT-102 with a thickness of 15 and 43 mm. The roof, stern and bottom are 15, 13 and 10 mm thick, respectively. The forehead of the tower received protection in the form of 16 mm steel, 70 mm air and 50 mm aluminum. An additional protection of the frontal projection is a wave-reflecting shield made of armored steel of small thickness.
          _The spaced and homogeneous armor of the BMP-3 provides all-round protection against large-caliber small arms. The frontal projection withstands shelling from a 30-mm cannon from a range of 200 m. ....

          BMP-3 with additional protection (bulwarks + DZ) the same thing happens, but they are not yet visible on the video from Ukraine.
          Early releases:

          Later

          The author of The National Interest believes that most modern 25-mm and 30-mm automatic guns can easily penetrate the frontal armor of the BMP-3, moreover, after breaking through the hull, the vehicle was torn apart due to the detonation of numerous shells[15]. Kurganmashzavod itself remains silent on this matter.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 4 January 2023 17: 54
            +5
            Quote: Pilat2009
            The author of The National Interest believes that most modern 25-mm and 30-mm automatic guns will easily penetrate the frontal armor of the BMP-3,
            Is there any confirmation (photo) of these fantasies?
            Quote: Pilat2009
            in addition, after breaking through the hull, the car was torn apart due to the detonation of numerous shells[15]
            The same question, where is the confirmation that the BMP exploded immediately after it hit the ammunition body, and not after a long burning?

            By the way, the BMP-3 in the zone of military operation in Ukraine is the most demanded BMP and only laudatory reviews are heard. Complaints about her fighting qualities, something is not heard.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 4 January 2023 18: 58
              -4
              everything is simple - if the projectile hits a 100 mm shot, then there will be a detonation, otherwise until the fire gets there, the same as with the T-72.
            2. Alf
              Alf 4 January 2023 22: 18
              +4
              Quote: Bad_gr
              BMP-3 in the zone of military operation in Ukraine, the most popular BMP

              And how many of them are there, otherwise on the video they are all Twos and Ones ...
              1. CTABEP
                CTABEP 8 January 2023 14: 22
                +1
                They abandoned a lot during the regroupings. And the musicians now have triples.
            3. Negro
              Negro 4 January 2023 23: 00
              +5
              Quote: Bad_gr
              By the way, the BMP-3 in the zone of military operation in Ukraine is the most demanded BMP and only laudatory reviews are heard. Complaints about her fighting qualities, something is not heard.

              Well, this is the only Soviet infantry fighting vehicle that has at least some kind of armor, at least against Utes, AGS and fragments. Mk 19 can also penetrate if there are new grenades.
          2. Prisoner
            Prisoner 6 January 2023 22: 53
            +1
            Are you offering to take your word for it? Are you yourself so naive or do you think others are? hi
        2. cold wind
          cold wind 4 January 2023 19: 05
          +3
          Not so simple. DZ on Brel are mounted on a hinged plate made of armored steel.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 4 January 2023 19: 52
            0
            Quote from cold wind
            DZ on Brel are mounted on a hinged plate made of armored steel.
            Ours is similar. Yes, it is not put differently: either on top of the main armor, or on the additional one (for example, on top of the bulwark).
            1. cold wind
              cold wind 4 January 2023 20: 43
              +2
              Similarly, we have it in the project, they have a serial machine produced since 1988. M2A2 is gathering dust thousands in warehouses.
        3. cast iron
          cast iron 5 January 2023 15: 42
          +6
          BMP 3 with additional protection you can only see in computer games and in a photo of 15 years ago. They are not in the army. And it won't. But Bradley with remote sensing and active protection is in the army and in a fairly decent amount. Moreover, I am sure that Bradley's weapons control system and surveillance system are better than those of the BMP 3.
        4. Pilot 2017
          Pilot 2017 7 January 2023 06: 53
          0
          Oh, she is our swallow, surprised duck surprised)! For more such machines in the army, there is no price for it. So many times she saved our guys) Her armor thickness is impressive. This is no longer an infantry fighting vehicle, this is already a tank! What can I say?) We know how to make weapons, we know how and do).
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 5 January 2023 00: 40
      -2
      Quote: YOUR
      SVO showed that there are no correct fights and never will be.

      Never mind, the author apparently outplayed tanks on a computer.
    3. Mikhail Kazakov
      Mikhail Kazakov 7 January 2023 13: 19
      +1
      I support. With the current tactic of squeezing out, there is usually a “rolling forward” either of ours or of the kakels. Ours usually first process the positions, then the tanks drive up - again, they process them from close range with cannons, and then the infantry fighting vehicles drive up, when disembarking, they again process the positions (and the BMP3 shows itself best here - you can hit with high-explosive fragmentation) and leave. And the infantry "finishes the job" and consolidates. There have already been such vidos - not one or two. And for such a war, Bradley is the worst intended. There are no guns for opening fortifications, there is no mobility with a mounted remote sensing. Well, without it - an analogue of our BMP2, only higher in profile and worse in terms of maintainability for kakels.
  2. Negro
    Negro 4 January 2023 06: 13
    +16
    Hm, yes. Something became less heard about little, late, useless.

    Ukraine does not have the BMP-3 or Bradley option. NATO countries have almost no BMP-3, a few dozen. But literally thousands of BMP-1 and BMP-2 (including their own Ukrainian ones) - naturally, they work mainly. And of course, compared to the BMP-1/2 Bradley, this is an increase. By the way, as for the guns - if it comes down to it, not a shell will fly, but an ATGM.

    The author is right in another aspect. The USA did not give anything with a gun and an engine at the same time (not a single self-propelled guns were received from America, only towed artillery). If Joe finally decides to supply at least Bradley, this will once again draw the "red lines" and in itself will bring the delivery of other Western style equipment closer.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 January 2023 10: 39
      +7
      If Joe decides to finally supply at least Bradley


      Then Germany will put the Marders, and then something else will go. The current agreement itself is as follows - NATO countries do not supply new escalating types (full-fledged infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, aircraft, combat helicopters, etc.) first, only after the United States.
      1. Negro
        Negro 4 January 2023 13: 12
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        Then Germany will put the Marders, and then something else will go

        Maybe, although I don't see the point. Bradleys are available in any quantity. Marders will come in handy for round trips, as will Leo.
        Quote: donavi49
        The current agreement itself is as follows - NATO countries do not supply new escalating types (full-fledged infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, aircraft, combat helicopters, etc.) first, only after the United States.

        Escalating Westen type, I'll clarify. Soviet without restrictions.

        It is very similar to this - although it was different with self-propelled guns. What, someone just said it out loud?
        1. Plover
          Plover 7 January 2023 19: 32
          +3
          Marders have already been announced. Apparently, different NATO countries took "patronage" of different brigades. The latest news - it seems that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forming corps, i.e. the command of the direction will no longer command brigades, but corps - in the field of "army building" they indirectly talk about this.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 10 January 2023 19: 07
            0
            They always had corps management, all brigades were part of some kind of corps. The number of buildings can be increased.
            1. Plover
              Plover 12 January 2023 00: 54
              0
              What I read spoke of the direct subordination of brigades to commanding areas, without corps
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 4 January 2023 19: 02
        -3
        it’s more of a question of money — it’s one thing to give back decommissioned MANPADS with a delay or to force neighbors to hand over old tanks, and it’s another thing to give up YOUR tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, and in commercial quantities .. after all, you first need to give away a battalion of 30 Marders, and then buy another Pum battalion to replace it .. and each Puma itself costs 8,5 million euros + excluding ammunition .. So it turns out that you can put Marders, but you need to immediately look for 300 million euros for the purchase of new infantry fighting vehicles.
        1. Negro
          Negro 4 January 2023 22: 31
          +3
          Quote: Barberry25
          it's more of a money issue

          Money is not an issue at all.
          Quote: Barberry25
          it’s another matter to give away YOUR tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, and in commercial quantities ..

          Equipment from the 80s is stored like shoe polish at a shoe polish factory.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 5 January 2023 11: 20
            -3
            the question ALWAYS revolves around money. Otherwise, Europe and the United States would have driven 2 Western tanks like Leopard 000 and Abrashka A2 there from parts, but instead they are supplied by a teaspoon. About "shoe polish". And who exactly has it? The Germans? It’s half empty. The British? It’s empty. Similarly with others, the only exception is for the Americans. T-2 will look hearty. In general, the situation is such that in theory they will supply something, but there will be nothing of the most modern and in commercial quantities, and if ours are born by strengthening the NWO and NATO realizes that the game will end in Ukraine within a year and a half, then the deliveries will come down no, Kyiv and the Nazis will be merged.
            1. Negro
              Negro 5 January 2023 13: 30
              +9
              Quote: Barberry25
              Otherwise, Europe and the USA would have been driven there

              Without even commenting on everything else - why? What do you think is a bad 10-year SVO for the US and Europe?
              if ours are born by strengthening the NWO and NATO understands that the game will end

              How do you imagine the "strengthening of the NWO" and why would you suddenly merge in the next 20 years?
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 7 January 2023 16: 55
                -1
                It is good for the USA, but not for Europe, as it is a blow to the pocket. Regarding the Reinforcement, an increase in the grouping of troops from the current 450 thousand to 1 million and blocking the supply routes of equipment. In this case, they will reduce assistance to Ukraine to nominal and pretend that it was intended
                1. Plover
                  Plover 12 January 2023 13: 02
                  0
                  It is good for the USA, but not for Europe, as it is a blow to the pocket
                  Look at the amounts in money from the US and from Europe. Even if Europe "merges", then the United States and Poland will not notice this.
                  increase in the grouping of troops from the current 450 thousand to 1 million
                  Up to 1 million at the front? Up to 1 million at the front + combat reserve? Or up to 1 million in general (that is, including repairmen, transport workers, doctors, including those in the rear)? This is such a level of organization and it takes so much time that if you start right now by the next winter, you would be in time. I'm not talking about equipment (because of this 1 million there will be both tankers and artillerymen) - where can I get it? To build a new one, to remove junk from conservation - these are also months and months.
                  blocking the supply routes of equipment
                  How? If it could be done, it would have already been done. The truth of life is that this can only be blocked by occupying half (and even more) of the territory, so that it can be bombed by planes on the border with Poland.
    2. Wildcat
      Wildcat 4 January 2023 16: 49
      +4
      By the way, as for the guns - if it comes down to it, not a shell will fly, but an ATGM.

      Hmm, for all the time I did not come across a single video of "ATGM with BMP / BTR". And there are many options for shooting light BT vehicles from cannons. IMHO, for BMP2 this is due to the need for the hero to get out of the tower waist-deep, cling to the ATGM and preferably shoot from a fixed platform.
      Well, urban combat or cosplay "Battles in Bocages" (now - "Battle between Landings") still does not give those distances where it is preferable to shoot at light armored vehicles with ATGMs. Not Desert Storm tea.

      IMHO: During the shootings "Bradley - BMP1-2-3", purely theoretically, the BMP1 with its "73 mm kuma" has a chance; BMP2 30mm gun will not take Bradley's forehead and side, ATGM ... (here it would be nice to bring memories of 08 08 08, but suddenly corrected ...); BMP3 - there is a chance with ATGMs.
      During the shootings "Bradley - BTR70-80-82A" there will be no options, taking this opportunity, it is necessary to express emotions for those who did not install ATGMs on armored personnel carriers, "not BMPs, tea."

      But, IMHO, things will not come to "duel fights". The Americans, passing on Bradley, will probably betray the "tactics of small groups" and still try to "link" the BT with the infantry and, possibly, with intelligence at least at the level of a "company UAV".
      Tactics "will decide", perhaps the Armed Forces of Ukraine will master not only "squeezing", but also "pitting".
      But we are also preparing. Moreover, frosts have come to Ukraine and the thaw has ended ...
      But in the state of Laos, about which the long read from "that same Tatarsky" (https://t.me/s/vladlentatarsky), they are not very prepared: "How many tanks of the battalion are capable of participating in hostilities is unknown. But in a similar state there is not one tank or two! It comes to idiocy - there are tanks that are able to drive, but cannot shoot and are considered ... combat-ready! Even a general from //// came to check. They say he appreciated it satisfactorily and left ...
      But what about the battalion, you ask?
      But the battalion is a different story!
      In February 2022, literally in the first days of the operation, he, being a company commander, was taken prisoner, where he told ////// on the camera (video on the network) that he was going to no one knows where and knew nothing at all. Roth lost! He spent 4 months in captivity. Changed. They returned to service, immediately moved up the career ladder - the battalion chief of staff, and now the battalion commander!
      Perhaps, in captivity, his psyche was strongly “pressed down”, but in the battalion he had already become a byword. Drinks. Already twice set fire to the headquarters of the battalion. Taken out, extinguished.
      ...
      And most importantly, the transfer to the front should begin in the coming days! According to all documents, the “economy” is combat ready and fully equipped with everything necessary.
      "
      Laos is so...
      1. cold wind
        cold wind 4 January 2023 19: 09
        0
        The combination of remote sensing, armored steel screen and main armor will not give a chance to break through Bradley's cumulative. Even with a lead charge. Is that 2-3 hits in one point.
        1. Wildcat
          Wildcat 4 January 2023 21: 28
          +4
          This is if there is a DZ. Then yes, for this "light tank" you will need to look for and spend 125 mm sabots or anti-tank mines. ... or an ATGM with a leading charge, it is done just for remote sensing ... request
          But, IMHO, it is possible that they will be sent to Croatia in the M2A2 / ODS variant, simply with increased armor to the level of "we hold 30mm shells in the forehead and side."

          And the question is what kind of training the Americans will give: if "that's how to drive, that's how to shoot, and that's how to refuel and repair" this is one story. And if "stop chasing 2-3 BMPs with infantry, take 2 brigades and, due to the advantage in nightlights and information, start cosplaying Desert Storm at minimum wages at least at night" - another story.
          But, IMHO, according to the apt remark of the AKA "Negro" "APU is not kissed on the top of the head" and the previous practice of "squeezing out" will be continued by them, even with Bradles, even without. Not so dangerous.
          1. cold wind
            cold wind 4 January 2023 21: 52
            +1
            DZ is set starting from M2A2, of course, depending on the tasks. In Croatia, remote sensing is not needed, if anything they will simply be retrofitted. In principle, Contact-1 can stand up, where a 30-32 mm plate must withstand.
            With the fact that the question of quantity I agree completely. We will be lucky if there are not enough of them. BMPs, starting from the M2A2, are extremely dangerous, tank scraps (from what is in service) will confidently take them, everything else can only disable external equipment.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 8 January 2023 15: 27
              0
              I’ll reveal a terrible secret - hitting at least an armor-piercing, at least an OFS tank shell in Bradley will break it with a guarantee
          2. Negro
            Negro 4 January 2023 23: 07
            -1
            Quote: Wildcat
            the former practice of "squeezing" will be continued by them,

            Rapid regroupings, you mean? Yes it is possible. But on the other hand, almost all the personnel units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine disappeared somewhere after November, they are not heard or seen. But we hear a lot that respected partners are raising the level of light infantry, just like in the summer. And massively.
            Quote: Wildcat
            due to the advantage in nightlights and information, start cosplaying "Desert Storm" at minimum wages at least at night" is another story.

            So far, the materiel was not enough for a storm in the desert. On the BMP-2 and T-64, he fights so-so.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 8 January 2023 15: 28
              +1
              half of these personnel units are already under Bakhmut .. was
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 8 January 2023 15: 25
          0
          those. breaks through tanks, but Bradley does not?
      2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 January 2023 21: 18
        +4
        Get out on the BMP-2 waist-deep and cling to the ATGM? To install an ATGM, you need to lean out. But snuggle?
        And to the ATGM "Malyutka" on the BMP-1, which was attached above the barrel, how did it look to snuggle?
        Who is not on the forum!
        1. Wildcat
          Wildcat 4 January 2023 23: 59
          +5
          And to the ATGM "Malyutka" on the BMP-1, which was attached above the barrel, how did it look to snuggle?


          This is what it looked like, 06.57 timing.
          But the Babies, IMHO, are no longer on the BMP1 ....

          Get out on the BMP-2 waist-deep and cling to the ATGM? To install an ATGM, you need to lean out. But snuggle?

          Does the word confuse you or something else? "Snuggle": "The general prototypical meaning is to get close."

          It’s as if I’m not the only one who is not enthusiastic about ATGMs on our equipment (at the same time, the BMP3 has the strangest IMHO - 100 mm).
          Shamanov's quote (as he looked today ...): "In 1985, the BMD-2 appeared armed with this gun, but retained the old base. High rate of fire, automatic loading, 300 rounds of ammunition and more powerful anti-tank missiles favorably distinguished the" "from the previous car. However, both entries into Chechnya showed that its weapons were not enough. To increase the range and effectiveness of defeating enemy manpower, a larger caliber was required, and the high damaging capabilities of the Fagot and Konkurs ATGMs were offset by the need to stop the vehicle to install them on the turret and launch. Well, to the second Chechen campaign these Soviet-made missiles, which had lain in warehouses for 15 years or more, began to fail more and more often. They either did not leave the guides at all, or fell without flying even 100 meters. Other ATGMs cannot be installed on the BMD-1 and BMD-2. As a result, in Georgia, the firepower of the Airborne Forces appeared more clearly than ever. And although the paratroopers decided the fate of the five-day war, they succeeded in the blitzkrieg not thanks to, but despite the technical equipment. They won, as they say, at the expense of reputation. Because the Georgians, who at first firmly pressed our infantry, fled when the landing force appeared.
          “And they could have inflicted significant damage on us even on the march,” admits the division commander, Colonel Vladimir Kochetkov, who took the town of the Georgian motorized infantry brigade in Senaki without a fight.
          In general, it's great, of course, that the legends about the Airborne Forces live and win, but let's get back to reality. And they are:
          - With a 30-mm cannon and one ATGM on the turret that fires every other time, our vehicle is not competitive in modern warfare. And in the event of a conflict, we have nothing more serious than the Chechen campaigns, by and large, we have nothing with which to hide the problem, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov, commander of the Airborne Forces, Hero of Russia, does not hide the problem.
          And he gives an example in one of the newspapers: “During the five-day war in the town of Podgorye, a Russian company was in ambush. A column of Georgian T-72s was walking past it. Ours have four ATGMs on the rails, officers behind the launchers. But none of them pressed the trigger. Remembering how four out of five such installations did not work at the training ground, they simply did not dare to attack».
          You can understand the officers: if a couple of missiles had not worked, the Georgian tanks would have incinerated the brilliant green that snapped at them. And if not for us, but for the enemy to ambush? Or did the paratroopers face the Georgian tank company head-on? Ours would have stopped, removed the ATGM launchers from the vehicles, installed them on the towers ... But there would have been no need to aim. Because a couple of minutes is enough for one tank with a trained crew to destroy all 10 parachute company vehicles.

          Who is not on the forum!
          - I agree, it's time to start up on the passport.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 8 January 2023 15: 31
            +1
            as you can see, the BMP-2 is firing from the hull,
        2. malyvalv
          malyvalv 5 January 2023 23: 50
          0
          It was not necessary to climb out to install the Baby. It was placed through the hatch. The steering machine was taken out from under the gunner's seat.
          There the problem was that Malyutka needed awesome experience and training to get into it. It is very difficult to hit the target.
  3. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 4 January 2023 06: 27
    +5
    only through the barrel of a 100-mm gun-launcher - we are talking about missiles of the 9K116 "Kastet" series.
    Actually, the Arkan tour is intended for the BMP-3! This is an anti-tank missile with a tandem cumulative warhead and laser-guided ... The first modifications had a range of 5 km ... the next, 5,5 km ... "Duster knuckles", when laser-guided, "beats" 4 km and is equipped "monoblock"! (Infa from the memory of a decent time ago, without a "peep" in "Wikipedia" ... feel )
  4. Shket53
    Shket53 4 January 2023 06: 42
    -1
    "Firstly, direct fire contacts between infantry fighting vehicles at this stage of the special operation do not occur so often. This is due both to the specifics of the positional confrontation and the lack of infantry fighting vehicles among the nationalists. "..... the author of this opus .... direct fire contacts , between BMPs and armored personnel carriers occur daily .... and there is a shortage of "beh", something from my friends who are now at the forefront .... no one noticed .... 01 01 burned BMP-2023 from "brothers "Bulgarians .... true from our BMP -1 ..... with regards to the M2 "Bradley" .... then, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted ..... otherwise he painted it directly and has shells super-duper, and right from a distance of 2 meters he will disassemble our "Bashka" with his "Bushmeister" .... wait ... we'll see
  5. Shket53
    Shket53 4 January 2023 06: 48
    +1
    I read what was published now .... they singled out the most interesting .... maybe again this Madame Anastasia is in moderation
  6. svp67
    svp67 4 January 2023 07: 15
    +6
    Everything will be decided by the skill of the crews ...
    And do not forget about the significant height of the BMP M2 "Bradley", which in a situation of clashes will play against it
    1. Shket53
      Shket53 4 January 2023 07: 45
      +2
      "Everything will be decided by the skill of the crews ...
    2. Shket53
      Shket53 4 January 2023 07: 51
      0
      Good day, Happy New Year ... well, all the best .... and you are right ... everything will be decided by the skill of the crews ... if "Bradleys" appear, or even "Leopards" .... yes, at least to hell with horns ..... in short we will fight
    3. Zufei
      Zufei 4 January 2023 11: 12
      +3
      From 1000-2000m the difference of 0.5m is vanishingly small. And the convenience of entry-exit and placement inside for passengers is more important
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 8 January 2023 15: 33
      +1
      everything will be decided by the presence of artillery on the front
  7. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 4 January 2023 07: 53
    +4
    And it’s not necessary to break through the armor right through, the sights and body kit are demolished by HE, and not only, by shells quite confidently, so the advantage in armor-piercing 25 mm is leveled by the large 2A42 caliber. So on so.
    But the fact that Bradili clearly surpasses the BMP-2 and even the BMP-3 in search and aiming capabilities is already serious and the low silhouettes of our vehicles are not compensated. Here the hope is that completely old stuff will be used and the reduced reliability of used equipment in inexperienced hands.
    And so ATGMs and tanks to help.
    1. svoroponov
      svoroponov 4 January 2023 10: 52
      -2
      .........But the fact that Bradili clearly surpasses the BMP-2 and even the BMP-3 in search and aiming capabilities ...............

      More details please. Especially about the BMP-3.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 4 January 2023 15: 10
        +9
        Quote: svoroponov
        More details please. Especially about the BMP-3.

        Any doubts? In vain...
        M2A2 / M3A2
        Some changes were made to the SLA: a new combined sight was installed for the gunner with thermal imaging channel.....
        M2A3 / M3A3
        Improved Bradley Acquisition Subsystem (IBAS) - detection and target designation system, Commander's Independent Viewer (CIV) - commander's TV vision and target designation system, which works regardless of the direction of aiming and firing by the gunner; both include thermal imagers second generation and electro-optical telesystems; IBAS additionally has a direct optical channel (direct-view optics-DVO) and an eye-safe laser rangefinder (eye-safe laser rangefinder-ELRF). The FCSW FCS software, like the similar system of the M1A2 Abrams tank, takes into account rangefinder data, weather conditions, the type of shot and controls the weapon guidance, taking into account the movement of the infantry fighting vehicle and the target, which allows you to achieve defeat from the first shot / burst - without preliminary zeroing. FCSW includes a thermal imager with automatic tracking of two targets in the field of view (thermal aided target tracker-ATT)......
        USA - 2500 M2A2/A3 and 1200 M3A2/A3. Another 2000 M2s and 800 M3s in storage as of 2018[13]
        M2A2 started in 1988. M2A3 in 2000-2002.

        When did BMP-3s start receiving thermal imagers, apart from MICVs? Year in the 12th. Only for the gunner, there is no commander's thermal imager. How many of them are in the troops, 100-200? Generally unknown. hi
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 4 January 2023 15: 32
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          When did BMP-3s start receiving thermal imagers, apart from MICVs? Year in the 12th. Only for the gunner, there is no commander's thermal imager. How many of them are in the troops, 100-200? Generally unknown. hi

          In addition to the BMP-3, it would be worth recalling the BMD-4M landing equipment, which is comparable in protection and armament to the BMP-3, but more big-eyed, since it has both a panorama for the commander and a thermal channel for the gunner in the sight.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 4 January 2023 16: 03
            +1
            Quote: Bad_gr
            In addition to the BMP-3, it would be worth recalling the BMD-4M landing technique

            You can remember a lot of things, but it is the BMP. hi
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 4 January 2023 19: 00
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              You can remember a lot of things, but it’s BMP

              I do not argue with that.
              But when the landing force is on the ground, their BMD will perform the same tasks as the infantry BMP, which is why I put the BMD next to the BMP.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 4 January 2023 17: 29
            +4
            Quote: Bad_gr
            BMD-4M

            It’s generally a tin can. It’s not clear when the last time they threw out troops with equipment from aircraft and whether it will ever happen at all. 2050
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 4 January 2023 18: 13
              +2
              Quote: Pilat2009
              It's basically a tin can.
              The thickness of the armor of the forehead and sides of the BMD-4M, can you give in mm?
              When there is no need to transport a parachute, 4 tons of additional armor is hung on the BMD-2,5M (according to the weight of the parachute system), can you name its composition and its protective properties?
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 4 January 2023 20: 37
                -3
                Quote: Bad_gr
                Quote: Pilat2009
                It's basically a tin can.
                The thickness of the armor of the forehead and sides of the BMD-4M, can you give in mm?
                When there is no need to transport a parachute, 4 tons of additional armor is hung on the BMD-2,5M (according to the weight of the parachute system), can you name its composition and its protective properties?

                Does bulletproof booking mean anything? This means that it protects against small arms bullets
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 4 January 2023 20: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  Does bulletproof booking mean anything? This means that it protects against small arms bullets

                  I have no more questions.
            2. Canna Steinfeldgrubber
              Canna Steinfeldgrubber 4 January 2023 21: 49
              0
              Yes, there was also an article about new parachutes. It's certainly good that they are new, but why are they needed if landing operations take place only at training grounds? Jump from burning silts?
          3. Yaroslav Tekkel
            Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 13
            +1
            They say that this miracle costs like the T-90. It really shoots very accurately, since our French partners did not comply with sanctions well, but after the battles near Kyiv, there are already much fewer of them.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 5 January 2023 01: 00
              +1
              Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
              They say that this miracle costs like the T-90.
              Quite possibly. The lion's share of the price of the tank is now from the filling (electronics, optics, etc.). And if you compare it with the old T-90s, which have no panorama for the commander, no thermal channel and auto-tracking of targets for the gunner (the BMD-4M has it all), then perhaps more expensive.
  8. air wolf
    air wolf 4 January 2023 10: 46
    -8
    Hmm, it seems that everything will not end before the end of the year, but I would like to make a decision earlier, I am for carpet bombing of the positions of Bandera and mercenaries, for this we have Tu-22M3 with Fab-3000 and OTAB-500.
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 4 January 2023 11: 34
      +12
      First you need to knock out the air defense, and with this from the very beginning of the air defense there are problems. I don’t understand how they will get out when the Patriots are brought up.
      1. Rosemary
        Rosemary 4 January 2023 11: 53
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry Rigov
        I don’t understand how they will get out when the Patriots are brought up.

        Apparently, the carpet bombing is not starting, because the Patriots have not yet been delivered to Ukraine. And as soon as they bring it up, the bombers will immediately send it there.
        1. Alf
          Alf 4 January 2023 22: 24
          0
          Quote: Rosemary
          And as soon as they bring it up, the bombers will immediately send it there.

          And they will leave all of them there ... Are there electronic warfare aircraft?
      2. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 17
        +5
        There are no Patriots there. An S-300 or even a Buk will shoot down this flying destroyer without any problems. Here, either severely crush all the electronic combat (which, as shown by the SVO, is unscientific fiction) or physically remove all air defense 80-100 km from the bomber route (the same fantasy).
    2. Alex_mech
      Alex_mech 9 January 2023 11: 54
      0
      Carpet bombing means corresponding losses. For example, 50% each departure. 2 bombings and that's it.
  9. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 4 January 2023 10: 54
    +2
    Yes, it’s not about the BMP. This is a new and quite expected stage in the supply of modern equipment. NATO is just planning to turn on its factories, and we are already working in three shifts. In addition, there have not yet been agreements on targeted deliveries, and they will definitely resort to this. In addition, they will strengthen air defense.
  10. spirit
    spirit 4 January 2023 12: 11
    +1
    The Americans need time both to train the crews and to create the necessary infrastructure - the cars need to be maintained and repaired somewhere.
    As we can see, the Ukrainian crews master everything very quickly + the Americans "ate the dog" on this kind of training of local proxies in owning their weapons and creating supply systems, logistics and logistics. They have entire units sharpened for this with the experience of dozens of military companies (green berets, special air force units and others). So do not hesitate if you need it all will arrive quickly and there will be no problems with logistics and logistics hi
  11. chingachguc
    chingachguc 4 January 2023 13: 43
    -3
    In general, it is impossible to compare according to the principle - forehead to forehead. Both Bradley and BMP-3 are easily detected from the air and unwound by artillery. And the fact that the American is overweight is a fact. In conditions of fire impact (to bring up troops, pick up the wounded), mobility and patency, and not security, matter. In terms of fire support, Bradley also loses
    1. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 20
      +4
      For "bring troops, pick up the wounded" they have the M113. Cheap, reliable, passable, repaired with scrap and such and such a mother. And Bradley is already on the edge of the main blow. He can take out a tank with his TOW-2s (probably he won’t take the latest ones head-on, but the relics of the Cold War that we pulled out of storage are easy).
      1. Mikhail Kazakov
        Mikhail Kazakov 7 January 2023 13: 34
        +1
        Neighing with - cheap, reliable, passable. I hope you are aware that this is not even a heavy machine gun, as well as fragments from mines, shells, etc. Especially delivers the shooter on the roof behind a machine gun, in which all protection is the front shield. Yes, any modern mrap is many times better than this shit, at least in terms of booking and speed characteristics. What do you want from a 60s tin can.
        1. Yaroslav Tekkel
          Yaroslav Tekkel 8 January 2023 23: 27
          0
          It is strange that you are laughing at a cheap, reliable, passable one, and making claims about armor and firepower. But even his armor is much better than our BTR-50/60/70/80. The forehead keeps 12,7 mm from 200-300 m.
      2. chingachguc
        chingachguc 7 January 2023 23: 35
        +1
        In this war, armored vehicles are not in the first place at all. We have seen enough of the video when armored vehicles are dismantled at the deployment stage. And the same goes for Bradley.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 9 January 2023 11: 07
          0
          So we wouldn’t have lost Kharkovskoye .... and M113s didn’t see MCIs either .... and Polish tanks. Something not really we smash the columns.
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 January 2023 14: 31
    0
    Need BOPS for 30mm guns. And development to replace 30mm with 37-45mm to replace 30mm guns with BMP 1-2-3.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 4 January 2023 15: 35
      -2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Need BOPS for 30mm guns. And development to replace 30mm with 37-45mm to replace 30mm guns with BMP 1-2-3.
      For the BMP-3 and BMD-4M, this is not necessary, since where there is not enough 30mm caliber, a 100mm cannon can be used there.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 January 2023 17: 37
        -1
        In the current realities, it would be nice to replace 100mm with 120. But it will be hard
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 January 2023 21: 40
          +8
          Feel free to ask for 152 mm right away, like on the M551, Sheridan. laughing
        2. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 4 January 2023 22: 07
          +1
          One could offer 115 mm with manual loading ...
          1. Alf
            Alf 4 January 2023 22: 25
            +3
            Quote: d4rkmesa
            One could offer 115 mm with manual loading ...

            And the extra braces in the back...
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 9 January 2023 11: 05
              0
              If you make a short sleeve, why not? The only thing is a 115mm smoothbore gun. It is necessary either with Vienna 120mm or with a D-30 122mm projectile
      2. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 29
        0
        Yeah, with an initial speed of 350 m / s (I have seen worse numbers, up to 270 m / s). A little not what you need for shooting at a point moving target. And the penetration of Bradley's DZ with such a weak cumulative projectile, let's say, is not guaranteed.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 5 January 2023 00: 00
          +1
          The 100-mm cannon projectile is high-explosive, not cumulative. A hit by a 3UOF19 "Cherry" projectile will leave no chance for the "Bradley", the main thing is to hit.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 9 January 2023 11: 03
            0
            There is also a cumulative. Why shouldn't he be?
  13. yaglon
    yaglon 4 January 2023 14: 38
    +4
    For some reason, the author did not mention ATGMs on these BMPs. Meanwhile, the shooting in their hypothetical confrontation will not begin with bursts of automatic guns, but with launches of guided missiles.
    1. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 14 January 2023 03: 27
      0
      For some reason, the author did not mention ATGMs on these BMPs.

      yaglon re-read the article carefully again.
  14. Eroma
    Eroma 4 January 2023 16: 49
    +7
    Comparison of two infantry fighting vehicles, in a duel confrontation, in my opinion, is not correct No. it would be more correct to compare their usefulness and effectiveness in a particular theater. The visibility capabilities are the same or not, the capabilities of the weapon (BMP Bradley, as the author indicated in Iraq, effectively used his anti-tank systems, in Ukraine I have never seen the use of ATGMs with infantry fighting vehicles on tanks), Bradley's heavy armor gives chances to survive artillery raids, and DZ helps against Contests, Metis? The bassoon is probably definitely useless, but will the RPG 7 in the troops cope or are they also useless? feel
    At 34 tons, is the ground pressure higher or lower than the T72? Those. is Bradley's patency limiter, or is it an opportunity?
    These questions would be interesting to explore. hi
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 January 2023 22: 29
      +1
      Quote: Eroma
      At 34 tons, is the ground pressure higher or lower than the T72?

      Bradley has 0,66 in the heavy version, T-72 has 0,87 ...
  15. Alf
    Alf 4 January 2023 19: 29
    +3
    It is, of course, all wonderful. BUT ! In the 21st year of the BMP-3 in Russia, there were 640 pieces against 3700 M2 in the USA ...
    1. Negro
      Negro 4 January 2023 21: 59
      -1
      Quote: Alf
      against 3700 M2 in the USA...

      More than 6 thousand like.
      1. Alf
        Alf 4 January 2023 22: 15
        0
        Quote: Negro
        Quote: Alf
        against 3700 M2 in the USA...

        More than 6 thousand like.

        I counted only those that are in service, I did not touch the canned ones.
        1. Negro
          Negro 4 January 2023 23: 14
          +3
          Quote: Alf
          I counted only those in the ranks

          I don’t understand, are you trying on BMP-3 with American combat vehicles? However, you have plans

          By the way, there has been talk for a long time about replacing Bradley. So, theoretically, combatants can also be released over time.
  16. runway-1
    runway-1 4 January 2023 20: 42
    0
    The Americans need time both to train the crews and to create the necessary infrastructure - the cars need to be maintained and repaired somewhere.
    In fact, this is not the most difficult task.
  17. Grognag
    Grognag 4 January 2023 21: 22
    +2
    Dear authors, it may be time to order to compare equipment in such a way that here we have a larger caliber, and here the armor is thicker and generally stronger in the world only the sky, even from the TV commercials it is clear that not only triples are fighting from our side, but also deuces and pennies, plus you don’t mention Bradley’s most important plus, namely the fact that she is network-centric, that is, she herself will be able to give out tsu arte and UAVs and deliver information in real time
    1. Negro
      Negro 4 January 2023 21: 54
      -1
      Quote: Grognag
      precisely the fact that she is network-centric, that is, she herself will be able to give out zu arte and UAVs and deliver information in real time

      There have been no such opportunities yet. But it's being discussed.
  18. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 4 January 2023 22: 18
    0
    BMP-3 in its current form, including all sorts of "Manulas" and "Dragoons" is outdated. Now overhead modules of multilayer protection on a steel base are widely used. And DZ is on top of that. Perhaps it is possible to strengthen the chassis, take the UT-32T engine, add developments on the Kurganets, incl. in terms of protection - and you get a "normal" infantry fighting vehicle, like the same K21.
  19. Belisarius
    Belisarius 4 January 2023 22: 20
    +7
    The author of the article is obviously mocking. Back in the summer of last year, the Internet was full of photos and videos with a lot of burnt and abandoned BMP-3s. And in the fall, as a compensation for losses, the BMP-1 was massively reactivated. Another year of such a war and the BMP-3 will not be physically left with us, and the author tells us tales about the confrontation with Bradley.
    And the result of this was not at all some fatal shortcomings of the machine itself adopted by the Soviet army in 1987 (although the sighting system, of course, is extremely outdated), but the general monstrous strategy and tactics of the NWO.
    In the absence of communications, normal management and logistics, and on the other hand, in the presence of "gestures of goodwill" and frontal assaults on cities, you can quickly lose any equipment.
    It is this, and not at all Bradley, that is the main enemy of our army as a whole and the BMP-3 in particular.
    1. Vasily Lugovskoy
      Vasily Lugovskoy 5 January 2023 02: 23
      +3
      The point is also the unwillingness to destroy the enemy’s logistics, no matter who of the bloggers says that they can’t demolish bridges with missiles, I believe that no one has tried .... you need to demolish not with one missile, but with a dozen and using, like x-32 , and the Iskander, as well as other options, will be repaired, send Gerani to the repair teams, take the polonaise from the father, 250 km to Dnepropetrovsk, the polonaise shoots up to 300, demolish the bridges, like the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kherson .... And it’s not clear why there is no work to destroy the enemy’s air defense, if the planes fly along the entire left bank of the Dnieper (at least) the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not survive
      1. Eugene_Eugene
        Eugene_Eugene 5 January 2023 15: 11
        -2
        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        not one rocket, but a dozen

        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        x-32

        Does the Russian Federation have so many?

        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        Geraniums for repair teams

        It's a weapon to terrorize civilians, nothing more

        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        take a polonaise from dad

        Will he give? Would a large jade rod mind?

        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        demolish bridges like APU in Kherson

        The RF Armed Forces do not know how :)

        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        why there is no work to destroy enemy air defense

        Does the VKS have so many planes?

        Answer these simple questions for yourself and you will understand why it is not
        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        in unwillingness to destroy enemy logistics

        but in impossibility. The destroyer didn't grow.
        1. flint
          flint 6 January 2023 15: 12
          -3
          Your brains got rotten before they grew up
        2. alexoff
          alexoff 7 January 2023 02: 10
          -3
          Yes, it’s clear that the missiles ran out back in March, more planes were shot down than before, geraniums only scare everyone with noise and do no damage, even there were no cartridges for the director of the Zaporizhzhya NPP - there are no such opportunities, none!
    2. Mikhail Kazakov
      Mikhail Kazakov 7 January 2023 14: 39
      +1
      You correctly wrote about the losses of BPM at the beginning of the operation (although, unfortunately, you and any other person cannot say the exact amount - our Ministry of Defense does not disclose losses, but they write like this - we don’t even have so much equipment in warehouses, gee). Another question is that at the beginning of the war the type of combat was different - with a high-speed breakthrough by columns - the loss of ANY equipment is simply inevitable (tanks, including the t-90, were also lost). the author writes about military operations at the moment - when the method of extrusion and "attack" is used, as it is called in the troops. And here I agree with him - Bradley, yes in the forest belt, but with such a battle - no better than our armored personnel carriers, if not worse. Yes, and the tales that the car is indispensable there are nonsense, in the same Iraq, the United States lost about 2 cars, and during the war with the enemy, at least one tech is lower. level (20\4+ vs 4) and with TOTAL air supremacy.
  20. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 January 2023 22: 43
    0
    Quote: d4rkmesa
    One could offer 115 mm with manual loading ...

    T-62M should appear in sufficient quantities.
  21. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 4 January 2023 23: 35
    +1
    Yes, it resembles a very reasonable (without irony, it looked like that in peacetime) doctrine of the French army. They say that our mass tanks are weak against "Triples" and "Fours", but they will not meet with them, we will release our best against the best German tanks, and against the worst German, our worst ones are quite good. It turned out that on a real battlefield everyone is at war with everyone, and it was necessary to immediately prepare for the arrival of all calibers.
    1. cold wind
      cold wind 5 January 2023 00: 07
      +2
      You confuse warm with soft. Pz-3 / 4 did not fundamentally surpass the French tanks, especially since there were a meager number of them. The basis was Pz-1/2. And in quantitative terms, everything was in favor of the allies.
      The only reason for such a quick defeat of France was not the desire to fight, they did not want a repeat of World War 1 and just sat out, there were no other real reasons.
      1. Negro
        Negro 5 January 2023 02: 00
        +2
        Quote from cold wind
        The only reason for such a quick defeat of France was not the desire to fight, they did not want a repeat of World War 1 and just sat out, there were no other real reasons

        Not really a claim at all. As of the beginning of WWII, the Germans were the only ones who knew how to maneuver war - and therefore sharply outnumbered any enemy.
      2. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 5 January 2023 22: 04
        +2
        The Germans themselves were of a different opinion. "In hot pursuit" of the 1940 campaign, they released a study (collectively authored by several Wehrmacht generals), in which, among other things, they analyzed the "moral explanations" for the French defeat that had already appeared - and "they did not want to fight", and "the government betrayed", and in general " the people are not the same." They dismantled and rejected: no, the Germans wrote, the fault lies with the incompetent and uninitiative French generals, who, after WWI, pupated and rested on their laurels.
      3. Eule
        Eule 9 January 2023 19: 58
        0
        Quote from cold wind
        the reason for such a rapid defeat of France

        This is a contrived rearmament of the infantry.
        Moreover, at first there were modernizations of the "old" rifle, and then new ones went. And the loading is batch, that is, packs of the "old-old" rifle do not hold in the "old-new" and in the "new", and vice versa, that is, bringing cartridges into the company did not mean that they could be fired. Is it possible to put cartridges into the chamber by hand one at a time.
  22. Olegsv
    Olegsv 5 January 2023 14: 05
    0
    How many BMP 3 does the Russian Federation have in the NVO zone? If Bradley appears there what will happen, that's the whole conclusion.
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 January 2023 17: 08
      +3
      Quote from Olegs
      How many BMP 3 does the Russian Federation have in the NVO zone?

      There were a lot of them during the march on Kyiv, so they were beaten up great. Now they are rare, more than one and two, as on the other side. So if Bradley arrives with a dozen, then in general it doesn’t matter, but if they give a few hundred, then this is a completely different story.
      1. Mad_Max
        Mad_Max 7 January 2023 04: 27
        +1
        News from the near future: so far 50 pieces in the 1st batch + 500 TOW missiles and 250 thousand 25mm for them as ammo.
  23. Ghost1
    Ghost1 5 January 2023 15: 47
    0
    We ourselves have 600 BMP3 units (as some write) and sold the same number to the Saudis, like this, everything was put up for sale. Treshek is clearly not enough now. And at the expense of comparison, efficiency will show on the battlefield and not against each other, all these comparisons in the forehead did not make much sense.
  24. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 January 2023 21: 09
    -2
    If the Americans supply scrap metal from the garbage heap, what kind of protection blocks and crowbars are we talking about? It's all about tactics.
  25. IvanR
    IvanR 5 January 2023 23: 11
    -1
    Well, we can already say officially that the Bradleys will be, like the Marders from the Germans ..
  26. evgen1221
    evgen1221 6 January 2023 06: 58
    +1
    Bradleys will appear, and terminators will appear. You can also mobilize pickups with UAZs from hunters and arm the shatstan with pipes.
  27. Cetarb kilk
    Cetarb kilk 6 January 2023 10: 34
    +3
    In general, NATO has not yet begun to "really" supply and equip the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And even if those (early) supplies were enough to stop the Russian army, what will happen now?
  28. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 6 January 2023 18: 00
    +3
    After the Cold War, seeing that Europe sharply reduced its military spending, Russia spent more money on ICBMs. Poplars, Yarsy, etc. No one planned any, especially long-term confrontations with the enemy, where tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and Katyushas will play the main role
  29. Iris
    Iris 7 January 2023 14: 39
    -1
    “By the way, once Bradley has already lost the BMP-3. We are talking about the UAE tender for the supply of infantry fighting vehicles, in which Russian equipment won. According to various sources, the Arabs now have up to 650 triples.

    The decision of Kuwait and the UAE to purchase the BMP-3 was purely political, in gratitude for Moscow's position. Today, all these machines are decommissioned.
  30. chingachguc
    chingachguc 7 January 2023 23: 29
    -1
    Why they put these bars on the BMP, I don’t understand. Even if the grenade is destroyed, its energy is enough to break through the armor. And all this energy will remain in the reserved space. And so there is a chance that the cumulative jet will flash through both sides and go outside
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 8 January 2023 01: 44
      +2
      Probably the Research Institute of Steel knows better what to install on equipment? Factory grilles reduce the likelihood of initiating a cumulative grenade.
  31. Andrey_Druzhinin
    Andrey_Druzhinin 8 January 2023 17: 19
    0
    It is unlikely that such a duel will come, but the duel of art against Bradley is more likely. Lose Bradley.
  32. Navy7981
    Navy7981 8 January 2023 18: 30
    0
    Car + Crew! Trained, trained and motivated! + Exploration! Who first saw the one on the "horse".
  33. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 12 January 2023 09: 31
    0
    Something like this with Bradley, the war will show who is stronger
  34. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 14 January 2023 03: 41
    0
    Even in the M2A2 modification without DZ and KAZ BMP Bradley is a pretty dangerous opponent!