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Emergency at the Ministry of Defense

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Emergency at the Ministry of Defense



The Russian mass media have repeatedly raised the topic of the urgent resignation of Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. At the same time, not only journalists, political scientists, but also retired and active military personnel, and many other citizens who are seriously concerned about the problems of the Russian army, gave their forecasts. Even when Serdyukov was the defense minister, the names of the people who could change the unpopular head of the defense department were called. Among such “candidates” were: Nikolay Makarov, Dmitry Rogozin, Vladimir Shamanov and a number of other worthy personalities. However, as a result, Nikolai Makarov is still the chief of the General Staff, although it is said that after the dismissal of Anatoly Serdyukov, his days in this post are numbered. Last December, Dmitry Rogozin became deputy prime minister in charge of the Russian defense industry. Vladimir Shamanov remains commander of the Airborne Forces.

The post of the Minister of Defense of the country, as is known, was taken by Sergei Shoigu. And here, as they say, no one guessed. President Putin made the appointment of Shoigu to the new post 6 in November 2012 of the year, relieving Anatoly Serdyukov of his ministerial position.

In order to get an idea of ​​the personality of the new Minister of Defense, it is worth touching on his biography and career.

Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu was born in the Tuva ASSR 21 May 1955. His father, who at birth was called Shoigu (name) Kuzhuget (generic name), by the will of an error in the passport office, became Kuzhuget (name) Shoigu (last name). The father of the current Minister of Defense began his career as a journalist, and then his career entered the political plane. During his professional activities, Kuguget Shoigu was able to achieve a regional political Olympus as the first deputy head of the Council of Ministers of the Tuvinian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

Mother Sergei Shoigu - Alexandra Yakovlevna Kudryavtseva (in marriage - Shoigu) comes from Orlovschiny. She in the Tuva Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic also occupied fairly high positions related to agriculture. Aleksandra Shoigu repeatedly became a deputy of the Supreme Council of Tuva, and also worked as the head of the planning department of the Ministry of Agriculture of the Tuva ASSR.

Shoigu Jr. studied mediocre, was a solid troechnik. He was a hooligan (he even got the nickname Shaitan), but thanks to his father’s high position, all pranks got away with him.
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After graduating from high school, Sergei Shoigu entered the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic Institute and in 1977, he received a degree in construction engineering. There is no exact data on whether Sergei Kuzhugetovich studied at the military department, but by April 1993 he had the military rank of senior stock lieutenant.

After graduation was obtained, Sergei Shoigu worked in the building trusts of Siberia. As a result, in 11 years of work, he has gone from master to manager of one of these trusts. At the end of 80, the political career of the current Minister of Defense went uphill. In 1988, Shoigu becomes the second secretary of the Abakan city committee of the CPSU, and a year later he becomes an inspector of the Krasnoyarsk Regional Party Committee.

A year later, Sergei Shoigu finds himself in Moscow and proposes his candidacy for the post of head of the Committee on the Elimination of the Consequences of the Chernobyl Accident. His proposal was not supported, but Sergei Shoigu received the position of chairman of the State Committee for Architecture and Construction, which was fully consistent with the record in his diploma. However, apparently, Sergei Kuzhugetovich didn’t entice such work, and he finds himself in the prototype of the future Ministry of Emergency Situations - the Russian rescue corps, formed from rescue teams that at one time did hard work to eliminate the consequences of the terrible earthquake in Armenia.

A year later, the corps was transformed into a committee, and Sergei Shoigu became its leader. Emergency work in Ufa was one of the first manifestations of Shoigu's extraordinary thinking and coordination work, when a multi-ton pipe fragment at the local oil refinery, ready to fall from a height, could cause enormous damage to the enterprise and even lead to a serious earthquake. That operation served as an example of the clarity of the actions of the Committee’s staff, and was even listed in the Book of Records. This particular case of Shoigu’s first steps in an “emergency” field suggests that this person is able to solve tasks that are extremely complex in a short time.

In 1994, Sergei Shoigu becomes Minister of Emergency Situations, and he is given the rank of Major General. This fact in the biography of Sergei Kuzhugetovich from the public raises certain questions, because before Sergei Shoigu extraordinary assignment of titles took place only in connection with the flight of Yuri Gagarin into space. However, we must pay tribute to Sergei Shoigu. With his work at the Emergencies Ministry, he proved that the work that his employees do is often less than the level of risk in terms of space flight. At the same time, the work of Sergei Shoigu himself at his post did not cause any complaints from any of the leaders of the state.

The media wrote about Shoigu as the head of the Tuva diaspora in Moscow. It was noted that in the homeland his name is held in great respect: in the hometown of Chadane a street was named after him, a mountain peak appeared Sergei Shoigu, the state farm “Flame of Revolution” was solemnly renamed into the State Unitary Enterprise “Balgazyn” named after Sergei Shoigu. The outcome of elections in the republic depends on his word.
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In the political sense, Shoigu “survived” a truly impressive number of government leaders, just like these Governments themselves. Having started work in the Emergencies Ministry within the Cabinet of Ministers of Viktor Chernomyrdin, he worked in the Government of Sergei Kiriyenko, again Viktor Chernomyrdin, then Yevgeny Primakov, Sergei Stepashin, Vladimir Putin, Mikhail Kasyanov, Viktor Khristenko, Mikhail Fradkov, Viktor Zubkov and again Vladimir Putin.

After, let's say, a short break connected with the work as the governor of the Moscow region, Sergei Shoigu returned to the Government, which at the moment, as you know, is headed by Dmitry Medvedev.

Obviously, Shoigu gets the reins of government of the Russian army in not an easy time for her, but are there any easy times for our army? .. Sergei Shoigu himself, after hearing from the president’s words about the offer to take the post of defense minister, said that will try to justify the hopes placed on him.

Shoigu will have to solve the problems associated with the continuation of the modernization course, the provision of housing for servicemen, waiting for heaps of corruption scandals, which for the Ministry of Defense have become a negative talk of the town hall. The reform, at the initial stage of implementation of which Anatoly Serdyukov stood, clearly cannot be reversed, and therefore Sergei Shoigu will have to apply for his progress all his strength and knowledge, which he has accumulated during the years of work in various Cabinet mines.

Judging by his work at the Emergencies Ministry, Sergei Shoigu is set up to solve any tasks assigned to him, and he will not look like a black sheep in the Ministry.

Today, the new Minister of Defense is faced with the task of raising the prestige of service in the ranks of the Russian army, as well as raising the prestige of the Ministry itself, which (prestige), it must be admitted, has been pretty battered over the past few years (by the way, far from being Minister of War Anatoly Serdyukov) .

Shoigu used to rely on a strong team, which means we should expect that in the near future a systematic personnel policy will be pursued in the Ministry to select those who are ready to go to the end to complete the tasks. At the same time, we must not forget that Sergei Shoigu is, excuse me, a “grandfather” in the Government, and is clearly not ready to dance here to someone's tune. He needs comrades, but he will not compromise with those who will stand in his way. This once again proves that Shoigu is a strong and extraordinary personality, and therefore not only the state of affairs in the Armed Forces, but also the degree of relations with his colleagues will depend on his attitude.

In this regard, it will be interesting to observe such a combination as Shoigu-Rogozin. After all, it is no secret that Rogozin was in the Government at the moment when it became clear that the Ministry of Defense was not coping with the plans for the State Defense Order, and, in fact, at the moment when one of the minuses of work in the Ministry Anatoly Serdyukov showed up. But today Serdyukov took the place of a more decisive Shoigu, and the whole question is, does he need some kind of external assistant in the form of a special deputy prime minister? Obviously, no changes will take place on this flank in the near future, but over time, the presence of the post of deputy prime minister for defense will depend on the zeal of both Dmitry Rogozin and Sergei Shoigu in their posts.

In general, there is more than enough work for the new minister, and therefore it is worthwhile to wish him success in improving the country's defense capability while relying on experienced and professional cadres.

Materials used:
A.Yolkin, V.Prybylovsky, A.Shlyapuzhnikov "Putin's Second Cabinet". Biographical collection, M., Panorama Center, 2008
http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=3122
http://lenta.ru/lib/14159636/full.htm
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  1. Fox
    Fox 8 November 2012 08: 25
    +52
    success in restoring the Army and Navy! yes ... and also: Serdyukov to the count ... (really necessary)
    1. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 8 November 2012 08: 53
      +18
      In the Ministry of Emergencies, he dealt with 5, while in the army the situevina did not go far from the emergency, just in part.

      And "furniture" is unlikely to be allowed for firewood, I'm afraid they'll just move it to another office and that's it.
      1. Witch
        Witch 8 November 2012 10: 13
        +4
        If they transfer it, it’s far from immediately - it’s necessary that the scandal subsides ...
      2. Set
        Set 8 November 2012 10: 35
        +7
        And in fact, the Minister of Emergency Situations.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 8 November 2012 10: 59
      +5
      Moreover, he will have a lot of time - Putin will be president for another 6 years, and there, you see, they will still leave. So hopefully ...
      1. Samovar
        Samovar 8 November 2012 11: 20
        +7
        Good luck to the Minister in a new place! The fact that he began to cancel the idiotic decisions made at the heart is a positive beginning. Maybe he’ll pick up a normal team for himself.
        1. VeteranVSK
          VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 29
          0
          The whole team with him ...
      2. predator.2
        predator.2 8 November 2012 16: 45
        +5
        Even more than a year ago, all the highest generality in one voice shouted to remove the tubaretkin. It is a threat to the combat effectiveness of the army and the security of Russia. But in response, as usual, this deaf-mute deceiver PUTIN inserted bananas in his ears. Here's the result, instead of fighting generals in the army, sikuhas are running the show. How much more will this deaf-mute power learn from newspapers about the mess in the country? It is necessary to imprison for life the one who put on this responsible post, and not the girls in skirts, whose diamonds are best friends.
      3. VeteranVSK
        VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 28
        +1
        Hope for God, and don’t do it yourself!
    3. Hammer
      Hammer 8 November 2012 11: 38
      +1
      Well, God help you. I really hope that Shoigu will do well.
      1. VeteranVSK
        VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 31
        0
        We all hope for a long time ...
      2. donchepano
        donchepano 8 November 2012 21: 47
        +2
        it is necessary that not at the shoigu itself but at the common people everything turned out well in his reign. And how well it turns out for leaders in relation to themselves, we know very well. To the people, what will be the use of this?
    4. Cesar_Xnumx
      Cesar_Xnumx 8 November 2012 13: 19
      +3
      I hoped that they would return Sergey Ivanov, but I think everything will be fine with Shoigu too. Good luck to him!
    5. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 8 November 2012 16: 46
      +8
      a good man, a housekeeper, will restore order in the army, only plant stools and at least 15 years ...
      1. VeteranVSK
        VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 54
        +1
        First the investigation, then the court and the punishment ...
      2. K.E.A.
        K.E.A. April 4 2017 07: 45
        0
        Yeah, they planted ...
    6. beech
      beech 8 November 2012 18: 52
      +1
      cheers cheers cheers !!! We are waiting for positive changes !!!
    7. VeteranVSK
      VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 25
      0
      At least it’s a matter of trial ...
    8. Cadet787
      Cadet787 8 November 2012 22: 44
      +2
      foxes
      success in hard work, furniture maker in sawdust!
      1. Che
        Che 9 November 2012 07: 22
        +1
        Cadet787,
        God forbid he and Rogozin work together, man is not bad either.
        1. not good
          not good 9 November 2012 17: 01
          0
          Shoigu has little time. During the reign of Taburetkin, a lot of experts were dispersed, a lot of really needed was broken up, and the reform program needs to be reformed. For the implementation of any plans, a team of responsible, initiative associates is needed, and Taburetkin thoroughly cleaned the staff. It is not only necessary to assemble a team and build the whole system almost anew , but also to correct what is thoughtlessly broken by the predecessor. You will have to attract (return) old frames, and how many will agree to return. And also take into account the opinion of experts and clearly follow the agreed plans, which quickly bothered Serdyukov. I want to believe that there is (or will be in the near future) a clear reform plan with the deadlines for its implementation, allocated funds and really appointed responsible persons.
          The coming months will show how correct the choice of the president is. In any case, God grant you strength Sergey Kozhugetovich.
          1. Taratut
            Taratut 12 November 2012 09: 22
            +1
            You make an old mistake. The king is good - ministers are bad.
            Serdyukov alone is no one.
            He became Minister of Defense at the request of Putin and carried out the tasks set by him. He did not make any supporter friends. He quarreled with both the security officials and Medvedev, Kudrin and other "moderate" ones.
            But he was unsinkable as he performed (and, apparently, not bad) the tasks assigned to him.
            What happened now is really interesting. Of course, the story with Oboronservis is just an excuse. With the same success, Ivanov can be dismissed due to theft with Glonass. It seems that Putin simply could not resist the pressure of his associates. And this is an interesting sign. Until now, Putin has not taken pressure.
            Two options are now possible - either Shoigu will continue the work of Serdyukov, or he will turn abruptly. Here's how to see what happens - draw conclusions.
    9. siberalt
      siberalt April 17 2017 02: 44
      +1
      Actually, if there is a military department, then the military rank of ml. lieutenant, after which it was necessary to pass an urgent (1 year in the SA). Military ranks were also assigned to party workers, depending on their position. The instructor of the regional CG CPSU ceiling had a captain's position. It is interesting, of course, to know for what reason Shoigu did not go through an emergency.
      The Ministry of Emergencies was formed on the basis of the fire service and the Civil Defense. What side did he have to do with these services? Although, I have a familiar builder by education, so he headed the city department of the KGB.
  2. Dimitr
    Dimitr 8 November 2012 08: 28
    +7
    God forbid, maybe even with this luck!
    1. Nick
      Nick 8 November 2012 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: Dimitr
      God forbid, maybe even with this luck!

      Judging by the work of S.K. Shoigu in the Ministry of Emergencies, the army was already lucky. We'll see...
      1. VeteranVSK
        VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 55
        0
        We will wait and see ... hi
    2. VeteranVSK
      VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 34
      0
      Hope for God, and don’t do it yourself! hi
  3. bashkort
    bashkort 8 November 2012 08: 32
    +17
    The best leader in our government in recent years! MES works like a clock. Finally, our army may be lucky! Good luck
    1. dim
      dim 8 November 2012 08: 44
      +9
      only in hours the hands lag behind
      1. VeteranVSK
        VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 43
        0
        Throw away SUCH WATCHES! hi
    2. VeteranVSK
      VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 37
      +1
      The most unsinkable minister of the Russian government!
  4. alatau_09
    alatau_09 8 November 2012 08: 36
    +5
    Put from scratch the Ministry of Emergencies, and put the sun. He must be able to!
    Well done man! Worth respect.
    I started with a note about corruption, like "stand! Be afraid!"
    Best wishes at the combat post!
    1. dim
      dim 8 November 2012 08: 45
      +9
      think well from scratch and whether or not emergencies appeared
      1. starpom
        starpom 8 November 2012 09: 05
        +21
        Quote: dim
        from scratch or not

        First, more or less debugged GO was brought to zero, and then naturally they started from scratch smile
        1. dim
          dim 8 November 2012 09: 09
          +8
          Well, yes, and then the savior of the whole world appeared
        2. Che
          Che 9 November 2012 07: 25
          +5
          starpom,
          GO worked at the councils pretty well. Everything was captured. Thanks EBN and Gorby for the collapse of everything and everyone.
      2. alatau_09
        alatau_09 8 November 2012 09: 47
        +16
        dim,
        Read to our colleague who briefly and clearly described the work on creating the Ministry of Emergencies during the collapse of everything and everything, created when everything collapsed.

        TRex,
        “Shoigu (well done!) Managed to pick up the civil defense troops lying at his feet, squeezed firefighters out of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, tried to establish a unified management. Without support at the highest level, without good organizational skills, without political instinct, nothing would have happened. Look - how many prime ministers he survived? Where was he before United Russia?
        Heather, smart ... "

        Let him be "cunning, clever ....", let him be calculating and cruel, but for the good of the Fatherland and in the name of the Fatherland ...
        In white gloves and saliva on the lips, today in the Russian Federation, you can’t put a clearly functioning state structure.
        or do you have another recipe?
        1. dim
          dim 8 November 2012 09: 56
          -1
          alatau_09, "Read our colleague" why a colleague?
          1. alatau_09
            alatau_09 8 November 2012 10: 13
            +8
            for dim,
            "colleague" is a respectful address or designation of an opponent, which many here use referring to each other, as well as "friend", "comrade", etc. It all depends on the degree of upbringing and perception ...
            with respect ...
            1. dim
              dim 8 November 2012 11: 00
              +3
              thanks understood
        2. Rockets
          Rockets 8 November 2012 11: 09
          +1
          Quote: alatau_09
          Shoigu (well done!)

          Here is an admirer of local clowns who mixed a person with mud
          http://topwar.ru/20755-nuzhen-sereznyy-otkat-nazad.html

          According to UN estimates, our Ministry of Emergencies is the best in the world !.
          And this is a merit of Shoigu and his team.
          1. alatau_09
            alatau_09 8 November 2012 11: 49
            +5
            Rockets,
            it is surprising to read the posts of some colleagues who, when discussing articles by different authors on the same topic, change their opinions to diametrically opposed ... What is this? trend? psychology of an opportunist? virtual careerism? ......................
            Or are "mind control technologies" being practiced here?

            I read the article proposed by you, she was "offended" ... but the summary of the article is indicative:

            "VZGLYAD: Nevertheless, can his previous ministerial experience be in demand in the military department?"

            YB: His experience as an organizer and leader will be useful if Shoigu is an honest and decent person to the core. If he is honest with himself, will defend the interests of the state, with his experience of leading people, he will be able to do something in the next three to five years. "

            All that was required to be proved ... and ... do not confuse the economic power of the USSR, which created, yes, the most powerful structure of civil defense ... and the RF of the 90s, when the B.E. government could not get a loan from the IMF of 12 billion dollars of technical credit ... when everything was strewed like sand castles ...
            The country was crumbling, its sun .... what talk is now about maintaining the GO in the form it was ??? Remember yourself in the 90s and early 2000s .... Where was the economy ... etc. etc....

            People’s memory is short ....

            At S.K. Shoigu is the most important thing - systemic thinking, there is an understanding of the task - powerful, modern Sun, there is Patriotism and healthy spirit and ambition, there is an understanding of what the Motherland is, there is a Desire finally! (otherwise he would not have agreed to leave the warm seat of the governor of the metropolitan area) ... his activity speaks about this ...

            And the former, as always - only foam from the mouth ... They would be decent and rooting for the Armed Forces would offer help and assistance in matters, at least in analytics and analysis in all military affairs, in understanding the proper structure, etc. instead of immediately pouring mud at a person because he is not from their circle and they have no resources to influence him ...
            Build a strong Army, there will be at least Respect.
            1. Rockets
              Rockets 8 November 2012 12: 34
              0
              Quote: alatau_09
              I read the article you proposed

              This is not an article. And in commenting. I can understand the general who drives Shoigu. But I do not understand, clowns, who from themselves do not represent anything at all. Not only do they never rummage about the topic, they don’t want to understand
              But they have something to say. And if you poked them in their manure, they minus it, but silently, because it is sycotic
              Darling, mean and deeds the same ...
          2. vivan
            vivan 8 November 2012 12: 20
            +1
            Sorry, don't be a clown yourself! And thank you very much for the link, this is one of the most competent assessments of this situation and no dirt and pathos. It is immediately clear that the interview is given by a competent military leader who cares for the army and the state. And about the best Ministry of Emergencies I can competently say in words my former army colleagues, who were not small ranks in the Ministry of Emergencies: "paper organization", where everything is on paper, but really nothing.
            1. Rockets
              Rockets 8 November 2012 13: 10
              +4
              Quote: vivan
              MES: "paper organization", where everything is on paper, but really nothing.

              If I poke you in the affairs of the Ministry of Emergencies Ak remove the writer from this forum?
          3. Strategia
            Strategia 8 November 2012 19: 04
            0
            When you hear praise from your opponent, think about what’s wrong with you!
      3. VeteranVSK
        VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 47
        0
        first we will destroy everything to the ground, and then ...
    2. VeteranVSK
      VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 19: 45
      +2
      Thank you for returning Suvorov to the VICTORY parades! Hurray! fellow
  5. zemlyak
    zemlyak 8 November 2012 08: 37
    +1
    and where will the secret hero of Russia go?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 09: 01
      +6
      Quote: zemlyak
      and where will the secret hero of Russia go?

      Suddenly dies of heart failure in one of the Lifortovo cells.
      Well, as an option hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 09: 17
        +1
        NORD, you weren’t tired of backing up there yet, you could write at least one little post. You run the minuses after me and put down the clowning.
        1. Evil Tatar
          Evil Tatar 8 November 2012 12: 29
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov (1) Today, 09:17 ↑ ↓ new -1 NORD, you weren’t tired of backing up there yet, you could write at least one post. You run cons from me behind the site. You put some clowning.

          Oh, oh, you, Sasha, are adding anti-worshipers? love
          Apparently too capacious, but leave short posts - people are not happy ... negative
          They got used to talking about beer and fish, vodka and lard there, and that’s not the right format for you ... lol

          Here are the "advanced" doctors say that:
          Beer and vodka dry the brain, reducing it due to the absorption of water by alcohol ... In short - one headache, because the brain in nature due to shrinkage has become smaller in volume and due to body vibrations, it reaches the walls, no matter how careful ... The hangover, however. belay
          And after the sober bumblebee, it becomes even smaller for the same reason ... And now the brain, if it was, already does not reach the walls. Grace... good
          Although other doctors argue that the brain is not muscle at all, when training increases their mass due to blood flow, stretching of fibers and subsequent tissue repair, and on the contrary, periodic reduction / increase in brain volume, through the above training, does not lead to a gradual increase the volume of gray matter, as if this would not be desirable, but to its reduction and, accordingly, to a decrease in the number of thoughts, and as a result, the ability to form, communicate and, ultimately, to complete degradation, yesterday worthy of flickering personality ... wassat
          Let women as they want, they are all one more than half a blonde, and even when in kind - brunettes ...
          But we all, men, need to not forget about this feature of the brain ...
          If possible hi
    2. Che
      Che 9 November 2012 07: 30
      +1
      zemlyak,
      The flexospin has already been fired.
  6. Olego48
    Olego48 8 November 2012 08: 38
    +3
    Yes, and to disperse in the first place all the stupid women with their departments.
    1. VeteranVSK
      VeteranVSK 8 November 2012 20: 06
      0
      To disperse the Indian, to reorganize the departments in the GU MO and to head again the generals ... hi
      1. Che
        Che 9 November 2012 07: 33
        +2
        VeteranVSK,
        There are not many generals; colonels are enough. Lampas sometimes interfere.
  7. afire
    afire 8 November 2012 08: 43
    +3
    Good luck to the new minister! Let it accelerate this riffraff empty
  8. gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx 8 November 2012 08: 44
    +1
    I hope Shoigu will not fail. It's nice to look at the person who created one of the best in the world of the Ministry of Emergencies and now holds the post of Minister of Defense.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 8 November 2012 09: 01
      0
      gorkoxnumx
      Because our country has long turned into a continuous camp of the Ministry of Emergencies.
    2. smel
      smel 8 November 2012 09: 24
      +5
      In my opinion, this is the best Ministry of Emergency Situations only because there is no such ministry in normal countries. Yes, this office knows how to PR better than others, at the same time taking over its tasks from others (recall Krymsk at least). But they had a good foundation (GO, firefighters ). Nevertheless, I wish good luck to Shoigu. Let him begin by dissolving his predecessor
      1. Nick
        Nick 8 November 2012 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: smel
        Let him begin by dissolving his predecessor

        And this, what is the most important thing now? ...
  9. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 8 November 2012 08: 47
    +14
    A very symbolic appointment. What condition did the army need to be brought in to appoint the former Minister for Defense as Minister of Defense emergency situations.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 8 November 2012 08: 59
      +2
      Quote: Lakkuchu
      A very symbolic appointment. What condition the army needed to be brought in to appoint the former Minister of Emergency Situations as Minister of Defense.

      You can’t say better good
    2. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 8 November 2012 09: 50
      0
      because the army is in an emergency!
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 8 November 2012 10: 49
      +10
      Quote: Lakkuchu
      A very symbolic appointment. What condition the army needed to be brought in to appoint the former Minister of Emergency Situations as Minister of Defense.



      Speaking figuratively After Serdyukov the army has many smoking ruins. Shoigu was appointed in order to pull the army out of ruins Serdyukov reform.
      Let's not forget what remains in the Ministry of Emergencies after Shoigu. This is a full-fledged, well-functioning structure. Moreover, Shoigu never made voluntary decisions, unlike Serdyukov. He gathered subordinates, closed the generals in the office and said: I want to solve this problem, I am listening to you. Did it Serdyukov? No, he did not care about the military expert community.
      I am sure that Shoigu will not come tax police concubine harem. I think, lady's battalion, which has broken a lot of firewood there, will eventually scatter. Shoigu will breathe into the Ministry of Defense the military life that has been present there from time to time, and he will at least start by putting things in order on the floors of the Ministry of Defense, where there are more skirts than stripes
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 8 November 2012 11: 40
        +6
        Quote: Ascetic
        the Babsk battalion, which had broken a lot of firewood there, would eventually scatter.

        I hope that does not run away. And they’ll divorce them in the cells under guard.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 8 November 2012 13: 55
          +2
          Quote: Flood
          I hope that does not run away. And they’ll divorce them in the cells under guard.


          Vasilieva has already fled, but whoever doesn’t have time, they’ll probably get into the cameras of small performers
          1. Lakkuchu
            Lakkuchu 8 November 2012 15: 25
            +3
            Yes, she did not seem to run away, she was admitted that they found her, she is in the hospital, they did an "urgent operation" to her .. sorry for the poor .. apparently overstrained from overwhelming amount work lol
            1. not good
              not good 9 November 2012 17: 10
              0
              Emergency surgery still to be done, first in pocket bully and then free. am
  10. avreli
    avreli 8 November 2012 08: 51
    +1
    Well, pokamali, and waking up. wink
    Commentators, in general, read the phrase that begins the material.
    It turns out that Serdyukov could not cope with the concealment of corruption. Everything else is in order, but there is no way to conceal it.
    And by the way, anyone who is curious would have a look at Shoigu on this twitter. For rent is a fake.
    http://twitter.com/SergeyShoygu
    1. dim
      dim 8 November 2012 08: 55
      0
      whatever it was but they put him to hush up all this situevina. he does it well by quiet
  11. cahekmosa
    cahekmosa 8 November 2012 08: 52
    +1
    I hope that after Serdyukov I can
  12. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 8 November 2012 08: 52
    +2
    For some reason, I thought that Patriot Rogozin would become Minister of Defense, but no, the Savior-Shoigu became.
    1. zelenchenkov.petr1
      zelenchenkov.petr1 8 November 2012 10: 28
      -2
      Quote: Milafon
      I thought that Patriot Rogozin would become Minister of Defense, but no, the Savior-Shoigu became

      Vladimir is great, he knows what he is doing: Patriot Rogozin should become "Felix-Lavrenty", the general commissioner of state security; Rescuer Shoigu is already in place. Further they will become "Vladimir and Dmitry" - SO .... MUST BE because it MUST BE .... SO !!!
      One misfortune, Vladimr somehow timidly, slowly and carefully creates a brigade, but there seems to be a reason for this!
      Good luck, Vladimir, in the reconstruction of the Russian Empire!
  13. zemlyak
    zemlyak 8 November 2012 08: 55
    +4
    Olego48 Today, 08:38
    "Yes, and to disperse in the first place all the stupid women, together with their departments." Yes, the woman is just not stupid, the woman is sitting or sitting on the grandmas, but the generals must be dispersed, Makarov and Postnikov must be demoted to ensign and to the Tula division or a brigade of airborne troops to Shamanov. Speaking of brigades, will the principles of manning the army be revised with the arrival of a new minister?
    1. Witch
      Witch 8 November 2012 10: 17
      0
      In the near future is unlikely, kmk. Maybe in a year to return to this issue ...
      1. not good
        not good 9 November 2012 17: 30
        0
        With proper organization, the brigade-corps scheme is more flexible than the army one. There are fewer bosses, shorter communications.
  14. shaman012
    shaman012 8 November 2012 08: 57
    +6
    Everyone should be in place. Perhaps Shoigu is the best thing to choose. Rogozin had discredited himself earlier and had been in disgrace for a very long time, although as a Minister of Defense he would not have been bad. But the system would not have allowed him to restore order. But Shoigu, the corefan of GDP, a fellow party member, stood shoulder to shoulder at the beginning of the road, a huge credit of trust, remember how he stood under the hero to support the power rating (I think it was hard for him to agree to this title). Shamanov is an excellent general, a warrior with a capital letter, and working as a minister is more an administrative activity. Makarov worked under Serdyuk, of course they probably had friction, but would it still turn out to be a military opposition ??? After all, Serdyuk is a man of power, her protege: no matter what happens (well, he didn’t justify it, it happens). So Shoigu got carte blanche, and I'm sure he will do everything right. And most importantly, I'm glad that they finally removed this moron.
    1. military
      military 8 November 2012 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: shaman012
      remember how he substituted himself under the hero in order to maintain the power rating (I think it was hard for him to agree to this title)

      belay well, yes, of course ... loaded up an "overwhelming burden" ... repeat like the macarque after ...
      interesting ... is it difficult to be "god"? ...
  15. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 8 November 2012 09: 01
    +4
    but wait and see, but the fact that Shoigu is a very strong personality, and that his will to achieve a specific goal is strong, we must agree.
    First of all, he needs a honest and decent chief finsist of the army, there will be order in finances, you can work! And then, on the beaten track, look for holes, and patch them or just eliminate them !.
    And good luck to him, God forbid he will succeed!
  16. dim
    dim 8 November 2012 09: 25
    +1
    and right now, it became fashionable to remove objectionable comments that didn’t write anything from the forbidden. and koment deleted.
  17. TRex
    TRex 8 November 2012 09: 25
    +6
    It would be necessary to correct the author ... "before Sergei Shoigu, the extraordinary conferral of titles took place only in connection with the flight of Yuri Gagarin into space ..."
    Yura Gagarin, senior lieutenant, was awarded the extraordinary rank of "major" for that flight.
    Brezhnev’s son-in-law from captain turned into a lieutenant colonel overnight ...
    Some unknown "cap-three", standing on the barricade next to Yeltsin - drunk, instantly, turned into "cap-times" ...
    So before Shoigu, titles were thrown like used spacers. I am generally silent about conferring the title “Hero of Russia” by "my" people.
    And as for "the world's best Emergencies Ministry" - this is also an anecdote. Talk to the pros who work there ... Window dressing, however.
    Shoigu (well done!) Managed to pick up civil defense troops lying at his feet, squeezed out firefighters from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and tried to establish a unified command. Without support at the highest level, without good organizational skills, without a political instinct, nothing would have happened. Look - how many premieres did he survive? Where was before United Russia?
    Heather, smart ... God forbid that the same happened with the army.
    1. borisst64
      borisst64 8 November 2012 10: 21
      -1
      Quote: TRex
      and until Shoigu ranks were thrown like used pads.


      However, let's not confuse the award of the title of merit (albeit dubious) and the award of title in accordance with the POSITION. And about criticism of employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, listen to the opinion of any person about his office. As the saying goes, "everyone imagines himself a strategist ...". I know one thing - if a catastrophe happens, the Ministry of Emergencies is always in place and Kuzhugetovich is there in his jacket. Good luck to him!
      1. Nickname
        Nickname 8 November 2012 11: 51
        +1
        Yes, of course, there are titles in the prosecutor's office and in transport and in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and probably somewhere else. But then the rank in the Armed Forces passed from another "industry" - that's what is a little surprising. But these are trifles and I agree with you.
    2. military
      military 8 November 2012 10: 29
      0
      Quote: TRex
      Heather, smart ...

      emphasis is placed correctly good +++++++++++
    3. Nickname
      Nickname 8 November 2012 10: 53
      0
      Well, at least a person in uniform will take parades. And then I was wondering that after the managers Ivanov and Serdyukov there should be a woman minister
    4. Rockets
      Rockets 8 November 2012 12: 57
      0
      Quote: TRex
      As for "the world's best Emergencies Ministry"


      No jokes and tell us what is wrong with your work, but much cooler
      And the assessment of the Ministry of Emergencies was given by the UN in view of the professional activities of this structure. Shoigu troops GO attached to 2002 year. But this does not mean that they entered the structure of the Ministry of Emergencies. But the Ministry of Emergencies is part of the civil society and reports directly to the head of civil defense, that is, to the Prime Minister.

      With all the negativity to the BNU, it was he who, in those harsh times for the country, realized that if troubles came, there would be nobody and nothing to rake her up, there was a BADAK
      Sparing no money, a small structure was created and it was called the rescue corps
      ..............................................

      And this is a certificate, for the very gifted
      Russian Emergency Situations Ministry
      one of the emergency services of Russia.

      "Acts in conjunction with the territorial rescue services, municipal rescue services, the fire service of the constituent entities of the Federation, the departmental fire brigade, municipal fire brigade, private fire brigade and other services. Carries out general management."
  18. AAA
    AAA 8 November 2012 09: 26
    0
    In any case, it won’t be any worse. I would still have sensible deputies.
    1. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 8 November 2012 09: 53
      0
      oh liz would not bother him
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 8 November 2012 11: 39
        0
        Quote: slav4ikus
        oh liz would not bother him


        It is very difficult and dangerous to disturb him repeat repulsed all such a desire
    2. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 8 November 2012 19: 32
      0
      Quote: AAA
      He would have sensible deputies.

      The first one is already, his former Deputy Emergencies Ministry.
  19. dim
    dim 8 November 2012 09: 39
    +3
    put him to hush up all this situevina with the Ministry of Defense. he does it well, he has experience with firefighters and how much sense we will see. If everything is like in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, then we will repulse the enemy belatedly however).
  20. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 8 November 2012 09: 42
    +10
    In the Soviet and Russian armies, the main rule of training has always been "Do as I do"
    As a military pensioner, I really hope that in the Armed Forces, starting with the highest command personnel, they will move from commodity-money relations (stolen-sold) to real service to the Fatherland. Then the equipment will go to the troops worthy and in sufficient quantities and the youth will be studying military affairs in this way.
  21. anchonsha
    anchonsha 8 November 2012 09: 46
    0
    It seems finally fortunate that the Ministry of Defense - an experienced (albeit not special in military matters) man came. And fair. He also needs to find firm and honest assistants to continue reforms in the army. GOOD LUCK SERGEY KUZHUGETOVICH !!!
  22. Romeohihnic
    Romeohihnic 8 November 2012 09: 57
    +3
    Shoigu, in my opinion, was always a strong man, and his face is strong-willed. Good luck to him in all difficult affairs. Let him not shame the responsibility assigned to him.
  23. Olego48
    Olego48 8 November 2012 10: 04
    0
    We are slowly starting to come to life after stupid orders. such as not to pay allowances to "managers", etc.
  24. Glory
    Glory 8 November 2012 10: 06
    0
    I am sure that Sergey Kuzhugetovich is able to cope with emergencies not only in the Moscow Region, but also in the Russian Federation as a whole.
  25. vezunchik
    vezunchik 8 November 2012 10: 16
    +3
    Shoigu was the first acting general at the head of the Ministry of Defense since Marshal Igor Sergeyev’s resignation in 2001. As the press service of the Ministry of Defense said yesterday, President Vladimir Putin returned Shoigu with his order to military service with the rank of army general he had. This is intended to show officers that Shoigu is “his own,” says an official close to the Kremlin.

    Shoigu began holding familiarization meetings with the leadership of the Armed Forces. During one of them, according to a source in the military department, he drew attention to the preparations for the parade on May 9, 2013 and decided to participate in this parade of pupils from Suvorov and Nakhimov schools. The decision of the former Minister Anatoly Serdyukov not to withdraw the Suvorovites to the parade, which was motivated by the need not to distract them from their studies for many days of training, was subjected to wide criticism of veterans and deputies this spring.

    According to another officer in the Ministry of Defense, Shoigu’s decision is a signal that soon Serdyukov’s other unpopular measures in the military environment will be canceled. In his opinion, the most likely are the cancellation of the concept of military education adopted by Serdyukov and the dismissal of its author, the head of the Department of Education of the Ministry of Defense, Ekaterina Priezheva. Most likely, some of the liquidated schools and academies will be restored (including the Academy of Aerospace Defense) and a two-year period of study at the academies will be returned instead of the current 10-month courses. But there will be no reinstatement of all 40 abolished schools, the officer says.

    Personnel measures are also expected. A Kremlin official and an officer of the Ministry of Defense consider the inevitability of the dismissal of Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov, and the most likely successor is his former deputy Valery Gerasimov, who has been the commander of the Central Military District since May. Two Defense Ministry officers are also awaiting the dismissal of Serdyukov’s closest associates - First Deputy Minister Dmitry Chushkin (responsible for the state defense order) and Deputy Minister Tatyana Shevtsova (oversees the financial services of the department). At the same time, the first deputy minister Alexander Sukhorukov (before Chushkin was in charge of the state defense order) and the deputy minister Anatoly Antonov (a native of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, oversees international issues) will most likely retain their posts.

    Such personnel and organizational decisions would be logical for Shoigu, says Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, but the cardinal directions of military reform — the new structure of the army, the increase in the number of contractors, and rearmament — would remain unchanged.
  26. Olego48
    Olego48 8 November 2012 10: 17
    +1
    I think that if you return everything that was stolen by Serdyukov and his team, then you can provide housing for not only needy officers.
    1. alatau_09
      alatau_09 8 November 2012 10: 19
      +1
      h-yes, I think there will also be enough for the Borey with full armament ... wink
  27. Pula
    Pula 8 November 2012 10: 36
    +4
    The praises are, of course, good. But it seems that Shoigu is needed where it is necessary to do what the authorities need at the moment. Abakan and Krasnoyarsk. MOE. Moscow region Moscow took a bite at Shoigu without problems. Now the problems of the Army. Not discussing the order, but fulfilling it on time without moral problems.
  28. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 8 November 2012 10: 56
    +7
    I read the comments to the article. Yes, how Serdyukov was supposed to get the people, how pent it was among the military and civilians, that Shoigu now had hopes not to maintain, to continue reforms, but to SAVE the army. I really want to believe that everything will work out, although by the nature of my current activities I belong to civil defense and I know that in the Ministry of Emergencies it is not so simple. Nevertheless, good luck Sergey Kozhegetovich.
  29. samyraigonka
    samyraigonka 8 November 2012 11: 09
    +2
    Dear Sergey Kozhugetovich! Return to the Moscow region, please. All the officials in the places that you stepped on the tail of (to our great joy) raised their heads again and took up the old: they again cut down forests, scoff at old people and children. Is there really no incorruptible and unsaleable people in all of huge Russia, besides YOU, who could lead the ministries? YOU are always thrown into the most difficult areas, but is it easy in the Moscow region? Come back !!!!!
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 8 November 2012 19: 36
      0
      Quote: samyraigonka
      Return to the Moscow region, please. All the officials in the places that you stepped on the tail of (to our great joy) again raised their heads and took up the old: again cut down forests, scoff at old people and children

      Yes Shoigu only two days in office, who managed to raise his head? And immediately immediately cut down the forest?
      1. samyraigonka
        samyraigonka 8 November 2012 22: 36
        +1
        They cut it, dogs, and pensioners are beaten. In Saltykovka.
  30. Olego48
    Olego48 8 November 2012 11: 12
    +9
    The old youth has returned.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 8 November 2012 11: 45
      +5
      And I think where I saw him before .. what now remembered - in the market laughing
    2. Joker
      Joker 8 November 2012 17: 10
      +2
      Yes, this bastard will weigh lol
      1. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 9 November 2012 03: 23
        0
        And we will not go to him!
  31. ramp
    ramp 8 November 2012 11: 58
    -11%
    and why are you so harassing Serdyukov as if he had ruined the army
    1. makrus
      makrus 8 November 2012 13: 53
      0
      you look at the news, I thought you won’t be surprised at anything, but these bitches continue
  32. Farvil
    Farvil 8 November 2012 12: 23
    +2
    There is a failure in management in the country, everywhere the management has incompetent officials and slabs who live by theft and bribes, who consider this the norm of life. There are competent officials, but they are worn out and they have no opportunity to stand at the helm of the leadership. The country is not too late, it needs competent rotation of officials so that random and incompetent people do not fall into leadership positions, the current officials have relatives and children around the posts, and this is everywhere starting with small bureaucrats.
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 8 November 2012 13: 44
      +6
      Quote: Farvil
      The country has a failure with management; everywhere the leadership has incompetent officials and slabs who live in theft and bribes, who consider this the norm


      And who, interestingly, built such a system during all his presidential terms ...? That would know the name ..... soldier
      1. military
        military 9 November 2012 17: 43
        +3
        Quote: vadimN
        And who, interestingly, built such a system during all his presidential terms ...? That would know the name .....

        hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... repeat
  33. ammunition
    ammunition 8 November 2012 12: 24
    0
    There is a crazy hope that Sergei Kuzhugetovich will restore at least three of the best motorized rifle divisions. With all ammunition depots. With the services of MO. Communication, etc. Three pieces are easily integrated into the new control system. And the division is still a serious force, and autonomous.

    But now it's hard to imagine anything. Only the Moscow Region knows how irreversible changes are.
  34. understudy
    understudy 8 November 2012 12: 33
    +6
    Quote: Ascetic
    Speaking figuratively After Serdyukov, the army has many smoking ruins. Shoigu was appointed in order to pull the army out of the ruins of the Serdyukov reform.


    Yeah ... An elementary question begs ... But why did you have to bring the Army to ruins? And who is the initiator of this process? I believe that the feldman played only the role of a stupid ram, a wooden ingot.

    Quote: samyraigonka
    Come back !!!!!


    Nifiga! We need it if it’s the one we trust in ... fellow
  35. geptilshik
    geptilshik 8 November 2012 13: 05
    +6
    Of course, I understand that you are all for the new minister, but explain how it was possible to jump from the lieutenant of the reserve to Major General, directly the second Gagarin.
    1. makrus
      makrus 8 November 2012 13: 49
      +1
      the main thing is not a thief, the rest is fucking ... just some emotions are gone. am
  36. Footmansur86
    Footmansur86 8 November 2012 13: 16
    +6
    Hurray comrades, information has been received about the upcoming dismissal of the beginning. General Staff Makarov !!!
    1. Samovar
      Samovar 8 November 2012 14: 13
      +2
      Instead of Makarka, Gerasimov will be appointed as the new chief of staff, and Shamanov will be appointed to the post of first deputy of the Moscow region.
    2. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 8 November 2012 19: 47
      +1
      Quote: Footmansur86
      Hooray comrades, received information

      I want to add. Starting next year, Nakhimov’s and Suvorov’s will again participate in parades, instead of ten months of the academy again two years.
      Some previously closed Nakhimov and Suvorov schools will be restored. And this is only the beginning, in just two days.
      The work of the newly-minted minister is endless. How long will it take to debug the whole complex and extremely neglected mechanism, which is our Armed Forces? God grant him strength and sensible heads!
  37. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 8 November 2012 13: 17
    +3
    We’ll wait and see ... But I think that it’s unlikely to be worse than it was now ... In any case, Shoigu will never allow herself to swindle the Hero of the USSR or the Hero of Russia ... And I think the women in the General Staff of the Moscow Defense Ministry will substantially decrease .. ..Yes, and I think the headquarters will change to a professional one, headed by a chief .... No matter how it is, it will be difficult for a minister to rake what was created by economists ....
  38. makrus
    makrus 8 November 2012 13: 47
    0
    Maybe after Vova Putin as his president. One of not many who are not disgusted.
    1. Nickname
      Nickname 8 November 2012 13: 52
      +4
      Such wishes can be a disservice.
      History shows that "the authority of the people" does not lead to good.
      One of the reasons for the "longevity" of the former minister is "universal love" smile
  39. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 8 November 2012 14: 20
    0
    I see no foam from the fifth column wassat , very happy, I think now no one will ask such a question, hu from Putin ??? because hu from Shoigu to explain vaapche nothing hi
    And it’s unnecessary to put Mr. Serdyukov at stake, for such figures there were barracks detachments before, he is obliged to drink a cup of mistrust and try to at least somehow rehabilitate !!! This I mean that in England our moaning is LOTS, and in our country even there will soon be no one to cut wood wink
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 8 November 2012 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      I see no foam from the fifth column

      Fifth, after the scandal with Navalny, they realized that the sushukany take off finished, a little swollen. angry
  40. Normal
    Normal 8 November 2012 14: 42
    +8
    Festivities about the resignation of Serdyukov were noisy. No joke - 38642 visitors and 1077 comments on the news about the resignation.
    Festivities began regarding the new appointment of Shoigu. Isn’t it too early?
    My opinion on the new MO is not as enthusiastic as that of most commentators. Too much window dressing and PR. Little attention to daily routine work and a love of emergency. Not in vain about his short political activity and his tenure as governor, in general, there is nothing to say - there was no emergency. Maybe I'm wrong ....

    News! I heard on the radio: Makarov was being filmed, and Shamanov was in the closet to the Moscow Region.
    We will "see"
    1. dim
      dim 8 November 2012 15: 40
      +3
      I agree with you a lot of PR in his work.
      20 years was a good lifeguard and nothing bad happened or almost never happened .....
      1. vlbelugin
        vlbelugin 9 November 2012 11: 06
        +1
        A useful PR army just does not hurt.
        For more than 20 years, her poor UNAUTHORIZEDly harassed anyone. Therefore, PR, in a good way, will not hurt.
  41. wax
    wax 8 November 2012 15: 02
    0
    The decision on Shoigu is all the more correct because the Ministry of Defense should be in touch with the Ministry of Emergencies and, ideally, have a unified management and monitoring system for the entire Russian space. Therefore, Rogozin is not a competitor to him. If Glazyev became the prime minister next year, then one could worry much less about the innovative development path than now. Rogozin could be entrusted to the defense industry. Further, this trio, under the leadership of President Putin, would be able, in my opinion, to conduct our dreadnought called Russia through the straits and skerries quite confidently.
  42. Slevinst
    Slevinst 8 November 2012 15: 17
    0
    The biography is impressive, I wish you good luck and that would meet the expectations of not the president but the military and the people
  43. dmb
    dmb 8 November 2012 15: 42
    +8
    Yesterday, in the comments, I gave a puzzle about the assessment of the income of the Shoigu family in general and his crystal honesty in particular. I will not repeat myself. Now about efficiency. The trouble is that citizens judge the work of his past department by the victorious reports in the media. And what are his former subordinates doing in reality. They "track" and make lists. I'm not talking about firefighters. They put out fires both in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and in the Ministry of Emergency Situations they are doing this. And even then recently, they want to shift this function to municipalities, and the Ministry of Emergencies will leave only fire supervision, that is, collecting fines from stalls. The work is not dusty and profitable. I also have nothing bad to say about saved. detachments and mobile hospitals. But they are a drop in the ocean. And everything else, all these hordes of colonel-generals in Moscow and generals in subjects. What are these doing? I tried to ask. The more honest shyly hide their eyes, shrug their hands less widely, saying "Well-oo-oo". This is where the dialogue usually ends.
    1. dim
      dim 8 November 2012 17: 16
      +5
      say honestly dear. this type of shoigu is still gaining popularity in disasters and disasters of various
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 8 November 2012 19: 54
        -1
        Quote: dim
        say honestly dear. this type of shoigu is still gaining popularity in disasters and disasters of various

        How is this?
  44. paanvl
    paanvl 8 November 2012 16: 19
    0
    In general, I won’t be surprised if Shoigu becomes the next president.
  45. Olego48
    Olego48 8 November 2012 17: 10
    +3
    And the most, to put it mildly, unpleasant thing in this whole story with Serdyukov is that for their bl ..... th and bedding there are 13 room apartments in the center, and several tens of thousands of officers are "fed breakfast" about future housing in 2010,2011,2012 , XNUMX, etc. ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 8 November 2012 19: 29
      +1
      The most unpleasant thing is that the tricks of perdyukov, the incompetence of this grundel
      was known to everyone, "from a soldier to a marshal," during all the years of his reformism, except for some ..., deaf-blind leaders, who were confident that he "did a lot", "did the dirty work." wassat
  46. s.cot
    s.cot 8 November 2012 18: 05
    +2
    If Shoigu will continue to replace the stolen top-level officials, he will have an exciting life. laughing
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 8 November 2012 19: 59
      0
      Quote: s.cot
      If Shoigu will continue to replace the stolen top-level officials, he will have an exciting life.

      There is no doubt that personnel changes are coming to Moscow Region. So it should be. Well, and at the expense of the stealing officials, WE WILL FIND A BULL, WAS A COW. laughing
  47. Strategia
    Strategia 8 November 2012 19: 27
    +5
    General Deinekin (in my opinion, very true) called the normalization of Shoiku the normalization of the moral climate in the Armed Forces. The task is paramount, not tangible, but the main one.
  48. v53993
    v53993 8 November 2012 19: 51
    +3
    Serdyukov’s case must be brought to its logical end, that is, planted so that his example becomes a different science.
    Yes, and take his entire female battalion under the gentle guard, so that there are no bad thoughts to leave the beloved Homeland, to which they owe a lot.
    And Vasiliev must be returned to his homeland, so as not to wither in a foreign land from longing.
  49. DRY
    DRY 8 November 2012 21: 28
    0
    I hope Shoigu will not forget about the destroyed and plundered bomb shelters, because they also need to be restored, and then maintained in full combat, and Perdyukov upside down and well drilled can not all manage to spend it and something will come out?
  50. killganoff
    killganoff 8 November 2012 23: 53
    +7
    Shoigu came as a sedative to the masses, and not a savior of the country's defense. Do you believe that the whole reform was conceived by Taburetkin?! ... This is Putin’s plan, and everything is going according to plan.