Used and broken: problems of Ukrainian trophies

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Used and broken: problems of Ukrainian trophies
A Ukrainian workshop where captured Russian armored vehicles are allegedly restored. Photo by The Washington Post


Unfortunately, the Russian formations and units involved in the Special Operation suffer losses in people and equipment. At the same time, a certain number of combat vehicles goes to the enemy, and with their help he tries to make up for his own losses. However, captured Russian armored vehicles rarely appear on the battlefields and practically do not affect the general situation. This is due to a number of objective factors and problems plaguing the Ukrainian side.



Propaganda and facts


Kyiv propaganda claims that during the entire period of hostilities, Ukrainian formations managed to capture several thousand Russian armored vehicles of various types, including the latest Tanks. However, these claims do not receive adequate evidence. Ukrainian sources support their theses with photographs and videos of only individual combat vehicles. At the same time, they often pass off their own materiel as Russian equipment - and it’s good if it’s of the right type.

In search of evidence, enemy propagandists like to refer to the notorious foreign resource Oryx. He carries out "intelligence through open sources" and compiles lists of losses and trophies of the parties. At the same time, numerous errors and direct falsifications of Oryx are well known. So, several photos of one armored vehicle can be counted as separate vehicles, Ukrainian losses are presented as Russian ones, etc.


Destroyed Ukrainian BRDM-2 in characteristic camouflage, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to pass off as a trophy. Telegram photo / "Colonel Khodarenok"

Thus, given the bad faith of foreign sources, incl. enemy, it can be argued that their data on Ukrainian trophies, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality. Obviously, a certain number of Russian tanks and other armored vehicles in one form or another could remain on the territory occupied by the enemy, but we are not talking about thousands.

In recent months, Ukrainian propaganda has several times mentioned plans to re-equip entire divisions and units with Russian equipment. However, things did not seem to go beyond talk. Trophies appear in Ukrainian units infrequently, and this can be considered another indirect argument against the theses about thousands of armored vehicles.

Thus, the real "achievements" of the Ukrainian formations in the capture of Russian equipment are far from the declared ones. This is due to a number of objective factors of various kinds. Thus, the Russian army shows a clear superiority over the enemy in weapons and tactics, and it rarely has to leave equipment. In addition, the potential of the defense industry, which ensures the operation and repair of equipment, as well as the supply of ammunition and other products, is of great importance.

Used and broken


In the conditions of a modern armed conflict, it is at least not easy to take an armored combat vehicle in good condition as a trophy. With the right technology and weapon, ammunition and support of comrades, the crew will carry out combat missions and will not give up or leave their car. Accordingly, it will not get to the enemy.


A well-known episode of the destruction of the armored personnel carrier Sisu of Ukrainian formations. The label "BMP VSU" indicates, presumably, a captured BMP-3. Photo UNM DPR

A tank or other object will be left only in case of critical problems and the impossibility of correcting them - loss of mobility, depletion of ammunition, etc. At the same time, all valuable instruments and devices will be removed from it, as well as the rest will be disabled. In addition, if possible, they will try to destroy the car on their own or with someone else's help.

Available materials from the Ukrainian side show that the vast majority of enemy trophies were abandoned Russian armored vehicles. Their condition is almost always far from ideal - it was because of various damages and breakdowns that they had to be left.

Despite all the efforts of enemy propaganda, we can talk about a small percentage of breakdowns and high reliability of our equipment. In addition, the virtual absence of real combat trophies indicates the low performance of enemy troops and formations. In fact, he cannot effectively resist the Russian troops and take trophies in battle and gets only what was left to him.

Repair problem


Under the current conditions, captured armored vehicles are of great interest to Ukrainian formations. Despite the small number, it is considered as a real source of replenishment of its own fleet of vehicles and compensation for losses incurred. However, as practice shows, it is not possible to fully use such opportunities. And not only because of the insufficient number of captured cars.


The same BMP-3 and Sisu from a different angle. A frame from the reportage of the TV channel "Zvezda"

Trophies are received mainly in damaged and partially dismantled form. The operation of such equipment is impossible, and it needs to be restored and repaired. However, the Ukrainian industry and military repair structures are not able to provide a full-fledged repair and resumption of operation.

From the very first days of the Special Operation, the Russian armed forces have been regularly attacking the facilities of the Ukrainian military industry. Full-fledged production facilities have long been destroyed, and repair facilities have been put out of action. Various small and medium-sized workshops appear regularly in new places, but they work only until our intelligence reveals them and destroys the next missiles.

Under such conditions, it is at least extremely difficult to repair captured or damaged armored vehicles. At the same time, the result of the work can be destroyed at any time along with the workshop and its staff - already without any chance of a new restoration.

The repair process is associated with a number of characteristic difficulties. Thus, Ukraine does not have the entire range of spare parts necessary for the repair of modern Russian equipment, and also cannot always get the necessary parts abroad. Because of this, the restoration of some samples is simply impossible. For example, on December 27, the American edition of The Washington Post wrote that Ukrainian repairmen, due to a lack of spare parts, cannot put captured BMP-3s into operation and are experiencing great difficulties in repairing tanks.


Ukrainian repair enterprise. Photo by The Washington Post

In addition, the workshops do not have the necessary instructions and manuals, as well as experience with modern Russian technology. Because of this, the repair stops or is accompanied by gross errors that threaten the further operation of the machine.

Predictable outcome


Ukrainian "overcomes" with the capture of captured armored vehicles delight the target audience of such News, but in the future they develop according to a well-known scenario and have a completely predictable ending. Despite all the efforts made, the Kyiv regime does not receive a significant number of trophies, and also cannot use them in the desired way.

In general, everything is quite simple. Even if the Ukrainian formations manage to find an abandoned Russian armored vehicle, there are no guarantees that it will be able to be evacuated to the rear, brought to a working condition and returned to the combat zone. On this path, only individual trophies can be carried out, which cannot have a noticeable effect on the combat capability of the troops.

Once at the front, restored vehicles are exposed to known risks. Any use of them in combat results in the risk of being hit by fire and being destroyed or damaged. In this case, the possibility of recovery is again in question.


A high culture of production is visible. Photo by The Washington Post

It is noteworthy that the failure of equipment or its abandonment for objective reasons generally does not affect the combat capability and the general condition of the Russian army. It continues to be active and fulfills the task of demilitarizing a neighboring state. Ukrainian "successes" in capturing trophies do not have any impact on the course of these processes.

Pointless optimism


Thus, despite all the optimism of Ukrainian propaganda, the situation with trophies is quite complicated and does not allow solving urgent problems. Ukrainian formations actually "capture" only the equipment that they are allowed to take. And this number includes only cars with certain damage.

Such "trophies" delight the townsfolk and even the command, but there is little benefit from them. Restoring equipment for commissioning turns out to be too difficult or even impossible, and its effective use is not guaranteed. The result is an interesting situation. The Russian army, leaving individual armored vehicles, does not weaken, and the Ukrainian army, picking them up, cannot become stronger.
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  1. +35
    2 January 2023 06: 18
    Well, here .. again, everything is in a "pejorative tone" like "little and useless." "Little" is debatable. It's just that a huge amount of equipment was left to the dill after the "victory march" you know where. Well, after "regrouping into convenient positions." YouTube is full of videos on this subject. And as for "useless" ... in the "good economy" everything will come in handy and still serve. Have they really forgotten how during the Second World War the Germans collected all the trophies and successfully used them against their opponents. And the abandoned SPMs, after being finalized, for a long time were the best anti-tank weapons they had. Well, the Finnish army is almost 70% equipped with captured Soviet equipment and weapons, which is not an example. Well, the last example is the Israeli army, which successfully uses modified captured equipment or uses its base for its weapons. So that I would not speak "pejoratively" about the trophies that the dill got. It’s bad, very bad, that they got so much in an undestroyed state.
    1. +7
      2 January 2023 07: 10
      Happy New Year to all of you! Health and all the best!
    2. +15
      2 January 2023 07: 13
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And as for "useless" ... in the "good economy" everything will come in handy and still serve.

      Damaged equipment is a source of spare parts. The equipment is almost the same. hi hi
      1. +16
        2 January 2023 08: 05
        Quote: fa2998
        Damaged equipment is a source of spare parts.

        Naturally ... Cannibalism lived, is alive and will live. I think it is possible to assemble one combat-ready vehicle from 3-5 vehicles without problems. There would be a head and hands. And the culture of production (to the photo in the article), here, as it were, has nothing to do with it. If necessary, a clean field will be a workshop hi
    3. +13
      2 January 2023 08: 26
      How does it happen that they abandon equipment suitable for restoration? Was it really not possible to set fire to or undermine? Well, let's say, in half of the cases it really wasn't, but what about the other half? And as for the brand new T-90, practically "without a run", finally I have no idea what to say. In the Red Army, for such a penal battalion was for luck, and it happened that it was immediately against the wall.
      1. +12
        2 January 2023 11: 02
        And as for the brand new T-90, practically "without a run", finally I have no idea what to say. In the Red Army, for such a penal battalion was for luck, and it happened that it was immediately against the wall.
        In the Red Army there were no court divisions, which are now, which left this tank, shown to the Sumerians 50 times already and from different sides.
      2. +5
        2 January 2023 20: 07
        Quote: Nagan
        In the Red Army, for such a penal battalion was for luck, and it happened that it was immediately against the wall.

        Read about the fate of the T-35 and KV-2, comrade. The Red Army, at the same time, was better prepared for full-fledged combined arms combat operations.
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      3. +1
        3 January 2023 06: 41
        How is it? The result of a retreat, leaving positions. Panic, finally.
      4. +1
        4 January 2023 22: 28
        But how is it? War is war, and things happen.
    4. +8
      2 January 2023 10: 28
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Well, here .. again, everything is in a "pejorative tone" like "little and useless."

      Well, Duc ... But such notes raise our morale. The style "everything is fine with us, but everything is bad with the enemy", apparently, has already been chosen as official and mandatory.
      But the author is inaccurate in his remarks and conclusions.
      Here he writes "Having serviceable equipment and weapons, ammunition and the support of comrades, the crew will carry out combat missions and will not give up or leave their car. Accordingly, the enemy will not get it ... they will try to destroy the car on their own or with someone else's help" "
      Small correction: the crew should do so. But it's far from certain that he did. Or does. Or will do.
      The story of the T-90M is a good example of this.
    5. +11
      2 January 2023 12: 59
      Unfortunately you are right. There are a lot of rollers, where units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting on our BMP-3, T-72B3, it is quite possible that they have other armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, but here it is already difficult to say there are no other differences except for the color. Remember the case when the dill T-64 fired at the BMP-2 and almost killed a platoon with one shot. It turned out to be "friendly" fire. A crowd of dill gathered near our abandoned BMP-2, which only had a caterpillar flying off. Abandoned and left, not destroyed. Two of our Ka-52 helicopters were shot down at the Gostomel airfield, one was blown up during the withdrawal, the second was forgotten.
    6. 0
      3 January 2023 14: 51
      Well, then where are the battalions created on the basis of captured equipment?
      It's not about the fact that there is no such technology, but that the score is not in the thousands how it is presented. With 300 captured tanks, even if 99% are out of order, you can create a battalion of 30 vehicles, if not two, due to cannibalism. And here they are talking about several thousand pieces of equipment.
    7. -1
      6 January 2023 07: 39
      You do not confuse serviceable equipment abandoned by thousands in the Second World War and in Israel in huge quantities due to the environment, and dozens of defective vehicles abandoned now. Of course, from dozens of cars you can assemble a few dozen, well, maybe a hundred, not for long. And then what? Thousands of equipment was not captured, hundreds of warehouses with spare parts were not captured, repair bases and repair plants were not captured. It’s bad that it hasn’t been destroyed, but so far we see a dozen trophies. Even the DPR has more trophies.
  2. +21
    2 January 2023 06: 18
    When I read the first sentence, I immediately understood who the author was. Again from empty to empty. Minimum objectivity.
    1. +3
      2 January 2023 07: 49
      Pennies from the thieving MO apparently work out.
    2. -7
      2 January 2023 20: 08
      Oh, as if Skomorokhov is an example of objectivity :) Two directly opposite positions. But the "all-propal" hype works better.
      1. 0
        3 January 2023 14: 45
        It is simply supported by the target audience. In general, be careful, I already have two warnings for such comments. Here the light is extinguished for those who disagree.
        1. 0
          4 January 2023 01: 19
          Quote: Herman 4223
          It is simply supported by the target audience. In general, be careful, I already have two warnings for such comments. Here the light is extinguished for those who disagree.

          I know and thanks for the reminder of the "interesting" approach to local punishments.
  3. 0
    2 January 2023 06: 24
    Oh yes, them. idiots ... Pros ... the entire scientific and technical potential of the country, which, by the way. in many ways, she could give odds to the RSFSR and the Russian Federation ... Also, such a funny trick, I already said that all those specialists who were something of themselves - had been driven from the Outskirts for a long time ... Well, I remember, they caught their tongue with one acquaintance , well, he was then in Mariupol at the MMZ, "Ilyich" who worked as a technologist ... Well, I was also a technologist then, but at FSUE VNIINM ... They got hooked on armored steel. and this has always been the strong point of MMZ ... Well, yes, I was struck by how a person, using only pretexts from censorship words, explained what kind of jamb with Beter armor, which were rejected in Iraq, Ukrainian production. The joke was that there were a number of options to plant not a lumine on them, but a sandwich with armored steel. And the weight of the box turned out exactly the same. But the level of protection outdid the BMD, and in a circle ... Initiative development specifically for Ilyich ...
    And, about the bust ... So he, too, has been in the Russian Federation for a long time, on Tulachermet ... I'm telling you, it's just that the man is sensible. And in Marika, after the collapse of the Union, neither his brains nor his experience ... In order to roll slabs, a semi-finished product is not needed to hell, Afonya can handle it
  4. +41
    2 January 2023 06: 27
    This is how I understood about undermined and faulty? But the T-90 abandoned in the forest, the commander's infantry fighting vehicle with a bunch of new electronic equipment .... even more precisely, carefully left! And to look at the abandoned (not abandoned !!) equipment after the victorious drape .... If I were the administration, I would be ashamed to raise such a foul-smelling topic!
    1. +14
      2 January 2023 07: 22
      I agree, the topic is worthless, in theory, for leaving equipment to the enemy, a tribunal, a term.
      1. +6
        2 January 2023 12: 41
        ... and for the destruction (undermining) without an order - gratitude? The problem is in the management of the army on the model of the 1940s. Lack of independence in decision-making by junior commanders. Mistrust.

        The second problem is retreat. When retreating, always, in one state or another, but the trophies remain with the enemy. And while running...
        1. +10
          2 January 2023 13: 58
          Quote: Proctologist
          Lack of independence in decision-making by junior commanders.

          We don’t have commanders at all, they have been replaced by managers!
          Quote: Proctologist
          Mistrust.

          That's for sure, judging by the performances, there is no one to believe!
          Quote: Proctologist
          The second problem is retreat. When retreating, always, in one state or another, but the trophies remain with the enemy. And while running...

          The retreat from flight is just different, that in the first case the whole technique does not rush, as by the way, people!
        2. +4
          2 January 2023 14: 27
          Quote: Proctologist
          And while running...

          Well, on a tank, and even more so on a T-90m, it’s more pleasant to run away than on foot.
    2. +4
      2 January 2023 20: 13
      Quote: lithium17
      But the T-90 abandoned in the forest, the commander's infantry fighting vehicle with a bunch of new electronic equipment .... even more precisely, carefully left! And to look at the abandoned (not abandoned !!) equipment after the victorious drape .... If I were the administration, I would be ashamed to raise such a foul-smelling topic!

      In fairness, but that T-90tik, and it was sorted out on the site, was barefoot and they tried to disguise it.
  5. Eug
    +4
    2 January 2023 06: 31
    March -22
    "abandoned" Russian equipment stood in Kharkov along three avenues ..... mostly Tigers.
    1. -6
      2 January 2023 06: 42
      And would you suggest that the guys then catch on with their teeth for these tigers that have already been stopped, and not go to school? At school, they then held the defense for a long time while the BC was held, and on the street they would have been snapped at at-two, like in a shooting range
      1. +6
        2 January 2023 07: 04
        The guys could and would burn the equipment! Or didn't know how to do it? Or maybe they didn't want to? Bargained .... were able to get out without problems! It's trending right now! Good will!
        1. -4
          2 January 2023 07: 48
          Quote: lithium17
          The guys could and would burn the equipment!

          I'll ask you a question - introduce yourself. you burst in, waited for the column and found it - you are in an L-shaped ambush under fire from all points without dead zones. To leave is already a feat. But they left almost without loss. If they had lingered to set fire to the equipment, they would have shot everyone, they were expected, understand? I can see everything from above, you know it - and click from the dots ... They would click exactly
          1. +1
            2 January 2023 13: 53
            Quote from Bingo
            To leave is already a feat. But they left almost without loss. If they had lingered to set fire to the equipment, they would have shot everyone, they were expected, do you understand?

            A grenade or a shot .... And the concept of a feat is already distorted in our country, all the "heroes" have fled abroad with impunity, and those who remain are throwing worse equipment over the cordon!
        2. +2
          2 January 2023 16: 06
          The main thing that came out alive is much more important than technology.
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        3. -1
          2 January 2023 20: 14
          Quote: lithium17
          The guys could and would burn the equipment! Or didn't know how to do it? Or maybe they didn't want to? Bargained .... were able to get out without problems! It's trending right now! Good will!

          It is easy to talk, sitting on the couch, about what a platoon of fighters ambushed should do with their lined equipment.
        4. +2
          2 January 2023 20: 35
          The tigers in Kharkov, then burned down, stood together with the armored personnel carrier 3 Ukroreykha! I don’t know who burned, it’s quite possible that ours were burned
          1. +2
            2 January 2023 22: 37
            Quote: Eroma
            The tigers in Kharkov, then burned down, stood together with the armored personnel carrier 3 Ukroreykha! I don’t know who burned, it’s quite possible that ours were burned

            Our special forces burned this armored personnel carrier during the defense at the school, to which they retreated, leaving the tigers. By the way, the Tigers were already without fuel, and were also disabled by enemy fire.
  6. +13
    2 January 2023 06: 34
    By the way, at the beginning of the NWO, one K-52 was lost (it sat down in the field and was abandoned by the crew safe and sound) ... what is wrong with it now ... blown up or fell into the hands of the Americans?
    Same thing with TOS-1 ... what's wrong with her now?
    1. +6
      2 January 2023 07: 50
      The helicopter stood in the field, and after the "regrouping" went to the forelocks.
    2. +8
      2 January 2023 10: 50
      They quietly loaded it into a car and drove away. Before that, she stood in one place for 40 days. You can find the video yourself.
    3. +7
      2 January 2023 12: 46
      I propose to recall those dates more precisely - absolute confidence in a quick and easy victory, which means that control over the territory of an emergency landing was perceived as a matter of a matter of hours, and the main risk was not to spoil, not to lose equipment, so that Bandera did not have time to set it on fire during these hours. No one even thought about capturing. As for the case with that Ka-52, I personally have no questions. I would have done the same myself.
  7. +14
    2 January 2023 06: 49
    According to my calculations, the Ukrainian armed forces, in general, if we count only tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns and air defense systems, there are only 112 -115 vehicles, namely the trophy taken near Kyiv and the Kharkov region in Kherson, of which: 5-7 BMD 2, 7 armored personnel carriers d Rakushka, five or seven BMD 4 m, 12 armored personnel carriers 82, 7 infantry fighting vehicles 3, 9-12 KShM vehicles based on the armored personnel carrier 80, two Solntsepek launchers, three MSTA S all, three T 90A and two T90M tanks (one was at an exhibition in Prague and I think that he is already in the USA), 8-9 T72B3 tanks, several T80BV tanks, there is a problem in identification here, since Ukraine also has its own T80. The rest are BMP 2, one BMP 1 Basurmanin and a certain amount of MTLB and MTLBu, two launchers of the Pantsir air defense system and one Tor air defense system and two Buk M3 launchers regarding one of the Buk M 3 launchers, there are doubts that they got it working since the car was overturned and fell off the bridge.
    Regarding the Oryx site, this site does not calculate correctly and finally they have a lot of errors
  8. +25
    2 January 2023 06: 56
    author .. why write such heresy, at 6 o'clock. morning?? are you convincing yourself now? Or are you encouraging us? mdaa.
  9. +8
    2 January 2023 07: 01
    I’m interested in something else - are there orders at the level of unit commanders to “destroy the equipment if evacuation is impossible or render it inoperable”, figuratively speaking, throw a grenade inside the tank or disable the control devices ... now the war is not on the T34, the control devices if you disable it, no one will even bother with repairs, will she?
    1. +2
      2 January 2023 07: 14
      The same thought came up. And so Happy New Year!
  10. +14
    2 January 2023 07: 13
    The author just works out his salary, like everything is fine with us. He simply does not know about the abandoned Russian equipment, they just connected it to the Internet.
  11. +13
    2 January 2023 07: 15
    At the same time, numerous errors and direct falsifications of Oryx are well known.

    When such a phrase is memorized, it should be read backwards

    If “well known and numerous”, then this is an excellent reason to choose and give the most striking example of errors or direct falsification from the Oryx resource

    If the conversation immediately moves on to another topic, then examples numerous Oryx errors unknown
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      1. +14
        2 January 2023 08: 23
        Well, referring to Oryx is categorically not welcome. There is such data that .... you know, they don’t fit, somewhere .... but this is not good. Yes We must listen to Konashenkov and "verified sources", such as which reports how one of our planes shot down 2 enemy planes and 2 helicopters, how! And here you are climbing with your Oryx... Not good. stop
    2. +3
      3 January 2023 10: 07
      I constantly hear about the fact that Oryx falsifies everything, but so far I have not seen a single proof.
  12. -12
    2 January 2023 09: 18
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    "Little" is debatable. It's just that a huge amount of equipment was left to the dill after the "victory march" you know where. Well, after "regrouping into convenient positions." YouTube is full of videos on this topic.


    Of course, this source is the height of reliability!
    It's high time to rename to YouFake!
    In fact, it is the ukrovoyaks who provide our trophies, including those of foreign production. The number of captured and fully serviceable Jewels runs into the hundreds. Armored vehicles are also missing. Moreover, our side has no problems with the repair of Ukrainian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Familiar Soviet-made equipment, spare parts and accessories - in abundance in warehouses.
  13. +13
    2 January 2023 09: 52
    Ukraine captures only the equipment that is allowed? And why did they leave the Ka-52 and t-90m? What is the diabolical plan of the closed family club "General Staff of the Russian Federation"?
  14. NSV
    +1
    2 January 2023 11: 45
    In any case, there will be abandoned equipment !!! I wonder who writes about a grenade thrown into a tank, or drain the diesel fuel and set it on fire .... Have you tried it yourself ??! In battle, seconds count: run away from the tank in which the ammo is thrown into the hatch ...., or set fire to pre-draining a bucket of fuel .....!!!!
  15. +1
    2 January 2023 12: 25
    By the way, cheers-patriots and z-torsida, how do you hope to win this year? Or not in this?))
    Those. interested in hopes in the spirit of: "Europe will freeze", "Ukraine will freeze", "we will get as many mobs as necessary", "we have a vigorous loaf", etc., do not be shy about your fantasies. Optional (welcome) terms of victory.
    1. BAI
      -3
      2 January 2023 14: 08
      Not this year. And the next time you die
    2. 0
      2 January 2023 22: 21
      Judging by the events of the last three months, due to the destruction of infrastructure and energy in Ukraine.
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    4. +3
      3 January 2023 10: 09
      Well, everyone is already frozen on TV, so the victory will be shown on TV.
  16. BAI
    +3
    2 January 2023 14: 06
    A tank or other object will be left only in case of critical problems and the impossibility of correcting them - loss of mobility, depletion of ammunition, etc. At the same time, all valuable instruments and devices will be removed from it, as well as the rest will be disabled. In addition, if possible, they will try to destroy the car on their own or with someone else's help.

    Yes, nothing of the sort. Under Izyum, everything was thrown in good condition
  17. Lad
    -3
    2 January 2023 14: 42
    References to all these oryx-shmoriks and other Americans and the author of the article and other jingoistic patriots are straight out of themselves and cause complete contempt. But as soon as the same Americans declare something about the shortcomings of the enemy, this message immediately rises to the flag, so, they say, you have one hundred percent proof. Here it is necessary to either remove the cross or put on panties or something.
  18. +4
    2 January 2023 15: 53
    Everything is like in a lecture. Gentlemen, what did you have under Soviet rule? You gentlemen didn't have a damn thing. But now you will have twice as much. Here the enemy is bad, but we have twice as much as the enemy. The enemy is dressed abroad, and your fathers and mothers dress you; they will buy you the best so that you stay alive, at least in parts.
  19. +1
    2 January 2023 18: 02
    In reality, no one knows anything about this topic. All guesswork. But there are real facts. First. Among the many video evidence of the destruction of Ukrainian armored vehicles over the past six months, captured Russian armored vehicles are found in single copies. Second. In principle, there is no video from the Ukrainian side, where at least a dozen or two serviceable captured Russian equipment would have been collected. But the Ukrainians will give everything for the sake of propaganda, and if there really were hundreds of abandoned tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, all this would be demonstrated constantly. I am subscribed to the most stubborn telegram channels, there is nothing there. The same tank is often filmed from different angles.
    1. -2
      2 January 2023 20: 20
      What are you?!!! Is it possible to say such things here! Wait, the minuses will throw minuses! :)
      And if without jokes, then everything is as they wrote. It’s just that the “all-weapons” in their “dreams and fantasies”, sitting on a warm sofa, forgot that trophies in a military conflict are a reality.
  20. 0
    2 January 2023 22: 40
    So it is not in vain that propaganda eats its bread. No wonder the special fighters run with their machine guns and not trophy ones, only if they are short. It’s still that gimor to repair someone else’s equipment, during the Second World War and Israel it was possible to fight on the simplest Soviet equipment. Now it’s hard to replace the element base, controllers, logic, etc., and most importantly, spare parts are needed if only repaired and sent one way .
  21. -2
    3 January 2023 08: 50
    Quote: ares1988
    By the way, cheers-patriots and z-torsida, how do you hope to win this year? Or not in this?))


    Who cares? It will be necessary - we will fight for five years. We can. And you urcoblin - do not pull. You exist only thanks to handouts from the West, you yourself are no longer capable of anything. Soviet weapons, for the most part, have already been "damped", go around the world with outstretched hands. They are not able to produce their own, there is no one and nothing. So you have no chance. How many rope do not wind - the end will be.
  22. +3
    3 January 2023 09: 56
    Wow, Kirill switched from the mantra "Western weapons are not effective and there are not enough of them" to the mantra "the enemy repairs our broken tanks inefficiently." This is progress.
  23. 0
    3 January 2023 10: 02
    Quote from: topol717
    Quote: Proctologist
    And while running...

    Well, on a tank, and even more so on a T-90m, it’s more pleasant to run away than on foot.

    Well, don’t tell me, the tank is more noticeable and everyone and everything will shoot at it. And you can walk away quietly. There are more chances to survive alone in the forest than with a tank
  24. +1
    3 January 2023 17: 15
    At the same time, a certain number of combat vehicles goes to the enemy, and with their help he tries to make up for his own losses. However, captured Russian armored vehicles rarely appear on the battlefields and practically do not affect the general situation.
    By this phrase I tried to determine the author and yes, I was not mistaken: it's him! winked A set of fascinating reasoning based on a flight of fancy and here is the conclusion:
    The Russian army, leaving individual armored vehicles, does not weaken, and the Ukrainian army, picking them up, cannot become stronger.
    So win !!! winked
  25. +1
    3 January 2023 18: 00
    Here are the wrecked Soviet tanks, in the USSR the fighters fought to the last

    Po
    Unlike the current tankers, most of the equipment shown in Ukraine was simply abandoned without damage.
  26. 0
    3 January 2023 22: 50
    I have been searching the net for a long time for information about acoustic intelligence systems. (determining the position of a shot by sound, counter-battery combat)
    There are helmet-mounted devices that determine the direction of the shot. Acoustic reconnaissance was used during the Second World War. According to my understanding, it would be necessary to use a system consisting of at least three precisely positioned microphones that send a signal to a device in which the difference in the moments of arrival of a sound wave is determined. The speed of sound is 343 m/s. A pair of microphones for two tracks of the audio editor. You can determine the difference up to 1/100 of a second. This is an accuracy of 3 meters. The position of the microphones can even be behind enemy lines. A simple always-on mobile phone with GPS and an extra battery for extended use. Having information about the time of arrival of the signal, you can quickly calculate the position of the mortar, gun. You can also easily adjust the position of the ANSWER by determining the location of the explosion.
    1. 0
      4 January 2023 15: 29
      Since everything is as simple as you write, make a model of such a device. And count its accuracy. You feel good, you have a constant sound speed and precisely positioned microphones are precisely positioned as you wish
  27. +1
    4 January 2023 19: 19
    The topic is dead and useless. What commanders, such an army. So far, I see not the actions of the army, but the dirty policy of our entire leadership. What this will lead to is not difficult to guess.
  28. -2
    5 January 2023 04: 57
    Ukrainian formations actually “capture” only the equipment that they are allowed to take

    - yes, they will be given normal equipment, so, one scrap metal .... judging by the pictures
    1. 0
      9 January 2023 13: 15
      You judge by the pictures and it's not objective. After the war, we will find out the exact numbers of captured equipment used.
  29. 0
    8 January 2023 19: 41
    Isn't it a shame to hand over your military equipment? They also managed to leave the T-90M "Proryv" serviceable.
    1. 0
      22 January 2023 00: 24
      And these devils dare to call themselves guardsmen? I would crush the devils with a bulldozer !!!
  30. 0
    22 January 2023 00: 21
    https://topwar.ru/202055-pochemu-brosili-t-90m-v-ukrainskom-lesu.html
    IF THIS WILL CONTINUE THEN IT IS NOT WELL!!!
  31. 0
    19 March 2023 07: 22
    The tragedy lies elsewhere: when they seize equipment that is of interest to the overseas owner and take the equipment out for study.
  32. 0
    20 March 2023 00: 47
    I read and it feels like a branch of TsIPSO.