MLRS "Tornado-S" use new rockets

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MLRS "Tornado-S" use new rockets
MLRS "Tornado-S" in the zone of the Special Operation, November 2022


The development of a line of 300-mm rockets for the Smerch and Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems continues. Previously, it was repeatedly reported on the development of new ammunition of this kind with improved characteristics of range, accuracy and power. Now it has become known that the new missiles have reached production, entered the troops and are now being used against real targets as part of the Special Operation.



Development completed


The project for the modernization of the MLRS "Smerch" under the designation 9K515 "Tornado-S" was developed in the first half of the tenth years, and then its main features became known. In particular, it was planned to develop new 300-mm missiles with increased range and accuracy, new warheads, etc. In the future, from time to time there were new messages on this topic.

In the summer of 2020, the management of the state corporation Rostec announced that its enterprises were working on two new rockets for the Tornado-S. The flight range of the products was supposed to exceed 100 km, a significant increase in accuracy was expected. In addition, it was planned to provide the possibility of firing with increased dispersion - to hit distant targets.


On November 20, 2022, the Ministry of Defense published a video about the combat work of the Tornado-S MLRS and their crews. Demonstrated approach to the position, preparation for firing and missile launches. In addition, the commander of one of the combat vehicles spoke about the capabilities of the available equipment and the specifics of its use. At the same time, the place of firing, the range to targets, etc. were not specified.

Rossiyskaya Gazeta drew attention to this video. On November 23, she wrote that in the episode shown, missiles were used on targets at a distance of 105 km. Guidance is carried out by satellite navigation. The source of data on the firing range was not indicated, but such information attracts attention.

Just the other day, on December 26, the Izvestia publication, citing an unnamed representative of the Ministry of Defense, revealed new information about missiles for the Tornado-S. According to the source, the development of a new line of such products has already been completed. The shells have been brought to serial production and are even supplied to the troops.

Due to a more advanced design and an updated composition of instruments, the accuracy of fire and the power of the warhead have increased. The ability to defeat manpower, equipment and fortifications of the enemy has been preserved and improved. At the same time, the exact tactical and technical characteristics are not named. In particular, the firing range is indicated only as "tens of kilometers."


Thus, the rocket troops and artillery continue to receive new combat vehicles and rockets for them. This has a positive effect on the overall potential of rocket artillery, and also allows you to solve more complex fire missions as part of the current Special Operation. In connection with the appearance of modern foreign models in the enemy, such fire capabilities are of great importance.

Excellence factors


MLRS 9K515 "Tornado-S" was developed in NPO "Splav" named after. A.N. Ganichev with the participation of a number of other enterprises. The aim of the project was a deep modernization of the serial 9K58 Smerch system with an increase in all the main performance characteristics. Such an update was to be carried out by replacing existing components with a minimum alteration of the base system - to simplify the modernization of combat products.

In the middle of the decade, the Tornado-S experimental products were tested and confirmed the calculated characteristics. In 2017, the production and supply of such equipment to the troops began. To date, a significant part of the existing Tornadoes has undergone modernization according to the new project. In addition, the development of new ammunition with improved performance and enhanced capabilities continues.

During the modernization, the combat vehicle received new navigation aids. When moving and for topographic location, it uses the GLONASS system and a gyrocompass. The presence of such devices allows the vehicle to independently enter the position, prepare for firing and attack targets - the direct participation of the battery command post is no longer required.


Also fire control facilities have undergone a radical redesign. The Tornado-S uses a new guidance and fire control system (ASUNO) with a number of important innovations. It has new capabilities for data exchange and target designation, as well as faster and more efficient calculation of aiming angles and other parameters. In addition, devices for entering data into the homing heads of missiles have been introduced.

The new ASUNO is compatible with all existing and developed 300-mm rockets. When using old types of ammunition, it remains possible to fire single missiles or volleys at area targets at distances up to 70 km. It ensures the defeat of targets of various types - due to a wide selection of combat units.

According to recent reports, new types of missiles with improved performance have reached operation. They retain the same weight and overall dimensions, but all the main components are being replaced. So, a new head part with external aerodynamic rudders has been developed. It accommodates a guidance system based on satellite and inertial navigation. Control is carried out for the entire duration of the flight, which makes it possible to obtain a minimum CEP. Due to the new solid-propellant engine, the launch range has been increased to 100-120 km. Several combat units are proposed to hit different targets.

Potential in practice


According to the latest reports, the new long-range guided missiles for the Tornado-S MLRS have already gone into series, hit the troops and are now being used during the Special Operation. The positive consequences of such weapons obvious. At the same time, we are talking not only about increasing the overall effectiveness of fire, but also about solving specific problems.


The modernized self-propelled launcher is capable of operating independently and without the direct participation of the command post. This simplifies and speeds up the entry into the firing position, deployment, preparation and firing. In addition, risks are reduced at the stage of curtailment and withdrawal from the position.

Using old types of rockets, "Tornado-S" can attack area targets at ranges from 20 to 70 km. The new generation of missiles allows to increase the maximum range up to 120 km. In this case, it becomes possible to attack targets at a greater depth of enemy defense or from safer remote positions. It also provides increased firing accuracy, due to which the MLRS is able to hit even small targets, incl. several different ones in one gulp.

"Tornado-S" with long-range missiles is of particular importance in the context of the current Special Operation. Foreign countries handed over to Ukrainian formations a variety of rocket and artillery systems, incl. with high enough performance. In particular, the advertised M777 howitzers, depending on the type of projectile, have a firing range of up to 25-30 km, and the M142 MLRS uses an adjustable GMLRS projectile with a range of 92 km.

Such weapons are used to attack civilian objects and terrorize the population - and require appropriate measures. A successful response to such threats could be Tornado-S. Regardless of the type of projectile used, in terms of firing range it surpasses any enemy barrel systems. The presence of different combat units simplifies the defeat of such targets.


Models of various 300-mm projectiles for the "Tornado-S" system

It is easy to see that with the new Tornado-S rocket it has advantages in range and over the HIMARS product. To a certain extent, this will simplify the defeat of the enemy's MLRS in parking lots, in firing positions, during reloading, etc.

It should be recalled that in such combat work, not only the tactical and technical characteristics of the MLRS itself are important, but also the availability of related means and systems. Reconnaissance means are needed to identify threats and enemy positions, as well as communication and control loops for the timely transmission of target designation to combat vehicles. Our artillery has all the necessary means and regularly demonstrates their impact on combat use - with a well-known devastating result for the enemy.

Components and systems


Thus, the rocket artillery of the Russian army continues to develop and gain new opportunities. Over the past few years, the production of the MLRS of the Tornado family has continued, and now new ammunition for it is being put into service. All these developments are already being used in real operation and demonstrate their capabilities.

At the same time, the development of the armed forces depends not only on combat vehicles and their ammunition. To realize their full potential, modern means of intelligence, control and communications are required. These areas also receive the necessary attention and develop in the required way. As a result, missile troops and artillery maintain and improve their capabilities in accordance with current requirements.
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  1. -1
    29 December 2022 05: 07
    Our answer is Curz... hymarsam. "Lords in the face" (c)
    1. +8
      29 December 2022 05: 30
      Quote: voice of reason
      Our answer is Curz... hymarsam.
      If with accuracy, like the "Hymax", it will be great! Their dogs lay down quite closely, funnels no more than five meters from each other. There is no sound of approach, immediately sharp, sonorous, short, but powerful break. When it arrives, even those who are far away think that it has fallen nearby, but they hear it from 10 kilometers away.
      1. -25
        29 December 2022 06: 09
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Their dogs lay down quite closely, funnels no more than five meters from each other.

        That is, Hymars is not able to perform the function of the MLRS. Unlike the Chimera, with adjustable ammunition, our MLRS are capable of performing the role of high-precision weapons. Is it such a difficult idea?
        The Chimera is a dead end, it's a one-shot weapon. How much does the Chimera and its analogue Hurricane cost? And 16 guides against 6 are actually three Chimeras needed to replace one Hurricane. Then manually register a spread for each missile in order to cover an area target ... Idiocy cubed. And if the goal is not a restaurant with Rogozin, but like near Kherson - a tank battalion in the attack with three battalions of motorized infantry? MLRS runs, dropping feces, because you can’t cover an area target - does it move quickly, dog? That's why, on the contrary, in modernization, the scatter was increased
        1. +16
          29 December 2022 06: 46
          Quote from Bingo
          That is, Hymars is not able to perform the function of the MLRS
          They have cluster munitions with anti-personnel and anti-tank fillings to destroy "squares". Yes, and for a long time there has been a version for 12 conventional shells in a container or two operational-tactical missiles.
          1. +13
            29 December 2022 07: 08
            Just one question:
            Tornado-S missile accuracy similar to Highmars? The rest is all water.
            1. +2
              29 December 2022 23: 46
              The question should sound like this - does a tornado cover a point target with an explosion, like hemars? If a XNUMX-kilo warhead crashed two meters further, then it doesn't matter. In the Russian army, the problem is rather in the coordinates, the presence of missiles and the testicles of the VPR
            2. +2
              30 December 2022 09: 10
              I don’t know about accuracy, there is GLONASS guidance and a cluster warhead. Obviously, we did not consider the use of MLRS instead of OTRK. Iskander is designed to hit point targets. But bad luck - they are not in the brigades and, as it were, should not be.
              We don't have a problem with what to hit. We have a problem - to find out where and quickly bring to those who can hit. So Smerch-S with satellite guidance will not actually solve the problem, as long as the number of optical reconnaissance satellites tends to 0, and there is nothing to conduct aerial reconnaissance with.
              1. 0
                6 January 2023 02: 57
                Of course, Iskander costing lam for pinpoint targets
            3. 0
              28 January 2023 10: 39
              Deviation from the target at a maximum range of 120 km up to 5 meters
            4. 0
              27 February 2023 08: 56
              It is not necessary to declare with a seal what you do not understand at all.
          2. -12
            29 December 2022 07: 32
            6 vs 16. The price is incomparable.
            I have already written everything - 6 sniper rifles on one carriage will not replace a machine gun. Even if they are equipped with a gross cartridge. But the machine gun sniper - completely replaces, moreover, very often replaced.
            And yet, the Chimera is sharpened for minimal dispersion, which is why the missiles are in the factory package, which is more expensive, by the way. The capabilities of the MLRS have been structurally cut, fundamentally.
            Quote: Civil
            Tornado-S missile accuracy similar to Highmars? The rest is all water.

            Similar. For corrected - absolutely similar. And that's it, that everything else is water, because the Chimera does not replace the Hurricane, but the Hurricane replaces the Chimera completely
            1. +19
              29 December 2022 07: 35
              Quote from Bingo
              6 vs 16. The price is incomparable.
              I have already written everything - 6 sniper rifles on one carriage will not replace a machine gun. Even if they are equipped with a gross cartridge. But the sniper machine gun - completely replaces, moreover, very often replaced

              Yes, what are you? Is Hymars useless? Have our MLRS, as Konoshenkov says, already destroyed all these Chimeras?
              But seriously, people are tired of you narrow-minded bots. Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to set the local public against itself with obvious inappropriate comments. People think you think they are idiots.
              1. -20
                29 December 2022 07: 40
                Answer on topic. You can't - talk to the mirror
                1. +18
                  29 December 2022 08: 28
                  Are you generally talking about Western MLRS, did you read something before the dispute? If you read it, you should be aware that this is just a base for rearranged launch containers of various types, among which there are also "for squares" with 12 cluster missiles and a range of 165 km - which is an analogue of Tornado cluster missiles, only more long-range and with several with a lower weight of the volley, but at the same time with a primitive, but guidance system .. It seems that you are either engaged in trolling or did not even bother to even open the information, or knowing everything, you are pushing a lie that one is not better than the other ..
                  1. +8
                    29 December 2022 09: 38
                    It looks like this "Bingo" really thinks so. When I go over his posts, I have a mixture of laughter and Spanish shame. To give an example of Kherson, when it was precisely because of the high-precision strikes of the Himars that we fled from there, this is the height of insanity.
                    A sect of “areal targets” has formed, which for some reason wants to spend thousands of tons of ammunition in nowhere, instead of destroying specific targets.
                    1. +2
                      30 December 2022 02: 14
                      Perhaps it's still not you who "fled" from Kherson.
                  2. 0
                    6 January 2023 00: 32
                    Hymars does not have such RS at 165 km. Unmanaged up to 45 km, managed up to 91 km. Type ER (extended range) are only being developed. And there are no 12 pipes at all. Only 6 x 227 mm. Tornado-S has 12 pipes 300 mm. Complete superiority of Russian weapons. Atakams does not count, let her compete with Iskander laughing
                    1. -1
                      7 January 2023 08: 37
                      Of course you will excuse me. But where is the superiority on the battlefield. You can write everything here. and on the battlefield that. Until now, after the shot, we are changing positions at a run. We still can’t destroy their artillery .. Maybe it’s enough to suffer with hatred. Everything is here for our victory over Ukraine.
                2. +6
                  29 December 2022 22: 25
                  Bingo below is clearly about you! They explained to you that in addition to the M142 HIMARS with 6 missiles in a package, there is also an M 270 MLRS with two packages of 6 missiles each, for a total of 12 missiles. And both of these universal launchers with M26, M26A1, M26A2 unguided missiles can operate as MLRS.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2023 00: 50
                    M270 MLRS with two packs of 6 tubes caterpillar, there is none in Ukraine. M142 Hymars wheeled, 6 guides in total. It is air transportable, therefore it is very compromise, to put it mildly. She is far from Tornado-S.
              2. 0
                29 December 2022 12: 58
                Did the Chimers destroy all Tornadoes?
              3. 0
                30 December 2022 09: 13
                Let's just say that without GMLRS, its use makes sense only by the "crowd", because there are too few trunks. If GMLRS is no longer a MLRS, but a tactical RK, but satellite guidance and the price of ammunition give it a different quality compared to Tochka-U. I understand why the Americans made this thing, but I doubt that we need to be monkeying around here.
            2. +1
              30 December 2022 00: 00
              Quote from Bingo
              6 vs 16. The price is incomparable.
              I have already written everything - 6 sniper rifles on one carriage will not replace a machine gun. Even if they are equipped with a gross cartridge.
              Maybe for comparison, take a "sniper rifle" with automatic firing mode ? - eg SVU-A with a shop on 20 or 30 ammo...
              fellow
              1. 0
                9 January 2023 10: 33
                It will no longer be a "sniper rifle".
            3. +1
              30 December 2022 22: 22
              As for accuracy: basically everything depends on GPS and Glonass. Glonass gives an average accuracy of 3 to 6 meters. Those. this is an average, and therefore a deviation is possible up to 10 plus the projectile equipment will add 2 meters, plus the target coordinates are determined with an error of +2, in total it can be up to 15 meters past. Of course, all errors can cancel each other out and then straight into the top ten. And the military GPS has twice the accuracy, if not three times.
              1. 0
                6 January 2023 00: 59
                Your balance of errors is correct. But it is the same for both Glonass and GPS. The systems are the same architecture, with minor differences. There is no advantage, especially in different ways.
              2. 0
                28 January 2023 10: 49
                Glonas is more accurate than GPS. They have a position determination on two satellites, we have three. They have many cases when GPS inaccuracy led to very different not good cases, up to disasters. Although it is possible that in the military sphere the receivers are positioned in three, like ours.
          3. +2
            29 December 2022 13: 14
            Quote: Vladimir61
            They have cluster munitions with anti-personnel and anti-tank fillings to destroy "areas".

            Pure M30? So they seem to have been discontinued more than 10 years ago.
            Only "monoblocks" remained - M30A2 with a fragmentation warhead with GPE and M31A2 with a high-explosive warhead.
          4. 0
            30 December 2022 09: 04
            Specifically, HIMARS has too few barrels for MLRS to achieve the same effect without a cluster warhead. Cassette warheads are formally prohibited in them. If you want exactly the MLRS in the same dimensions and the same mass (Grad + -) - the caliber of 220-240 mm is too large. 12-16 such trunks require a machine of 20 tons +.
            1. +2
              6 January 2023 01: 04
              Neither the United States, nor Russia, China, India, Ukraine, South Korea, Israel have signed the Convention on Cssset Ammunition. They are too effective to be abandoned.
          5. +1
            30 December 2022 09: 08
            Hymers are promotional weapons. They are great for carrying out actions on a set target like a killer rifle, but if the target is smeared with the phrase "somewhere out there!", then alas, even cluster munitions will not be effective. All the advantages of the Hymers when conducting a database in Ukraine is that their intelligence works an order of magnitude better than ours, and they have a well-established connection between obtaining coordinates and promptly responding to this information. Very often it is generally a direct connection. That is, there is a dedicated artillery unit that works in a specific sector with direct control from spotters. They were preparing for the conduct of hostilities, and were preparing to work in conjunction. We have a complete "seam" with intelligence, this is superimposed by poor communications and a cumbersome system of interactions. We have an enemy reconnaissance network operating in the rear, and communication channels are not suppressed and are often even open in the form of the Internet. They are trying to fight taking into account the technical capabilities of the 21st century, and we have only now begun to think about the presence of automatic positioning systems on artillery systems and often pass it off as a breakthrough. There is no breakthrough, the next stage will be shooting and hitting targets on the go. Without operational automatic positioning and corrective or homing ammunition, this is practically impossible, while such platforms must quickly receive target designation, but so far there are not even orders for the development of such platforms and systems. As a result, we have what we have and are amazed at the characteristics of quite mediocre hymers, but the main losses of this war are not from them, but from the old artillery systems with which we regale each other with all anger and diligence, and the hymers are assigned the role of just conducting high-profile actions. hi
        2. +11
          29 December 2022 08: 52
          Quote from Bingo
          That's why, on the contrary, in modernization, the scatter was increased

          Throughout the history of the creation of artillery, they fought to reduce the dispersion, and suddenly the know-how - it is necessary to increase the dispersion. Sorry, but this is a big nonsense. This is not an increase in dispersion, but the ability to attack different targets with sufficient accuracy. Those. something like several installations in one vial is created.
          1. +2
            29 December 2022 10: 20
            Quote: qqqq
            Throughout the history of the creation of artillery, they fought to reduce the dispersion, and suddenly the know-how - it is necessary to increase the dispersion. This is not an increase in dispersion, but the ability to attack different targets with sufficient accuracy.

            You understood correctly ! Controlled RSs are high-precision weapons (!) ... and it's not worth talking about the "physical" dispersion of the eres themselves! We can talk about the "settings" of the SLA, the layout of the guides, additional "bells and whistles" that work for a short time at the moment the eres take off from the guide! This increases the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXb"covering" the adversary with high-precision ammunition, the principle: "one target - one projectile" is fulfilled, it becomes possible to hit a moving target (for example, a tank) within the allocated "corner"! This allows high-precision hitting targets over a large area as successive ("single") launches without changing the "vertical" and "horizontal" launcher turn angles; so volley ...! Thus, modern rocket artillery systems acquire the capabilities of multiply charged systems of high-precision weapons, while retaining the "old" capabilities of "area" destruction ...!
        3. 0
          30 December 2022 17: 17
          yes, "khimara" is a dead end, and we have 16 against 6, caps fly up.
          only himars gather their harvest, and there are no analogues. there are no tornadoes, only in the comments they surpass competitors
          1. +1
            6 January 2023 01: 06
            Read the article - Tornado-S is fighting.
            ..............
  2. +5
    29 December 2022 05: 33
    Rossiyskaya Gazeta drew attention to this video. On November 23, she wrote that in the aired episode missiles were used on targets at a distance of 105 km. Guidance is carried out by satellite navigation. The source of data on the firing range was not indicated, but such information attracts attention.

    It's good when design and engineering ideas work...
    It remains for Mr. Borisov to come up with something sensible in order to thin out the number of "civilian" satellites over the zone of NVO, because it's not fucking ...
  3. +5
    29 December 2022 05: 51
    It is necessary to expand the range of ammunition, create new rockets. It is necessary to increase the maximum range to 200 km. Can't Rostec really create an analogue of the Chinese A 200?
    And in my opinion, the MAZ chassis is already outdated. There is KamAZ, BAZ, is it really impossible to find a suitable chassis?
    And why is there still no MLRS "Kama" in the army? This MLRS has its advantages. The only thing that can be done is to change her chassis to KamAZ-6560M.




    1. -2
      29 December 2022 10: 50
      .It is necessary to expand the range of ammunition, create new rockets. It is necessary to increase the maximum range to 200 km. Can't Rostec really create an analogue of the Chinese A 200?


      I hope we will soon receive mass-produced missiles with a range of 250 km.
      1. +2
        29 December 2022 18: 20
        It would not be bad if missiles with a maximum range of up to 250 km appeared for the Tornado-S MLRS.
    2. +4
      29 December 2022 11: 04
      This is half of the complex .... the second half An aircraft with a control center for identifying targets and transmitting coordinates to the launcher (silence about this so far)
      1. 0
        29 December 2022 13: 01
        Why silence? Russia did not run out of drones or aviation.
        1. +3
          29 December 2022 13: 10
          We need drones of the ORION type and larger, we need aircraft of the Tu204R type, and we need prompt data transfer to the launchers.
          1. +1
            29 December 2022 22: 55
            Even during the creation of the second (long-range) stage of the ammunition line, it was stated that there are RS with several drones instead of warheads, which were supposed to conduct reconnaissance and adjustment on the spot. More effective than any drone in terms of delivery speed and ability to be destroyed by the enemy.
        2. +3
          29 December 2022 21: 31
          Then how does the enemy form reinforcements for Bakhmut?
          They move in columns up to a certain point. And if there are ten thousand reinforcements, then why don't we see it, and if we see it, why don't we destroy it?
    3. +2
      29 December 2022 23: 52
      Sergey_59 I want to live when Tornado-S will shoot at 200 km. In your first post you will demand 300! laughing
    4. +1
      30 December 2022 02: 30
      Looking at the new chassis for Tornado-S, I absolutely want two things:
      1) Provide Kamaz with a normal armored cab.
      2) Hide the packages with the RS in reliable anti-fragmentation boxes.
      This will significantly increase the security of crews and the survivability of vehicles in counter-battery combat.
      1. +2
        1 January 2023 08: 14
        What? Well, what will they get in return with a counter-battery? What's there? Nimars stand every 10 km? Or will the armada of heavy bombers schenevmerly just rush?
    5. 0
      30 December 2022 09: 05
      It would be more useful from it with the "package" 15 x 220, which is also present in Hurricane-1.
    6. +1
      3 January 2023 22: 44
      You can add Uragan-1M here. bicaliber (220 mm / 300 mm) multiple launch rocket system with batch replacement of guides.
  4. -3
    29 December 2022 05: 52
    For counter-battery combat with the enemy, the new missiles are excellent.
    1. +1
      29 December 2022 11: 02
      The reality is that missiles over 200mm will mostly be corrected. Efficiency 6pcs corr 300mm like 2-3pcs Tornadoes.
  5. 0
    29 December 2022 06: 05
    M142 HIMARS is a universal launcher, which, depending on the ammunition used, can be used as a MLRS, a tactical missile system or an operational-tactical missile system. And "Tornado-S" is a MLRS in its purest form. So our answer to the Hymars was not very good.
    1. +6
      29 December 2022 06: 27
      And "Tornado-S" is a MLRS in its purest form. So our answer to the Hymars was not very good.

      For Tornado-S, GLONASS-bound missiles have been created (according to the article under discussion), which are highly accurate, and which are the answer to the Hymers with GPS reference. Another thing is not known how many such missiles were fired and hit the troops in the NVO zone. And we have operational-tactical missiles even without Tornado-S (Iskander).
      1. +1
        29 December 2022 18: 10
        Andy_nsk what do the rockets have to do with it? Compare the chassis of the MLRS "Tornado-S" and the chassis of the universal launcher M 142 HIMARS. What do you think looks better? In my opinion, the FMTV truck chassis looks much more profitable than the MAZ chassis. The FMTV chassis has many advantages over the MAZ chassis.
        As for missiles - that's it, it is not known how many such missiles were fired and how many of them hit the troops.
        1. 0
          29 December 2022 20: 15
          Quote: Sergei N 58912062
          Andy_nsk what do the rockets have to do with it? Compare the chassis of the MLRS "Tornado-S" and the chassis of the universal launcher M 142 HIMARS. What do you think looks better? In my opinion, the FMTV truck chassis looks much more profitable than the MAZ chassis. The FMTV chassis has many advantages over the MAZ chassis.
          As for missiles - that's it, it is not known how many such missiles were fired and how many of them hit the troops.

          Well, the MAZ chassis is for 12 containers, for 6 there is a KAMAZ.
          1. +1
            29 December 2022 22: 44
            Lt. I know about the existence of the Kama MLRS in the Air Force reserve, but how many of them are in the army?
            And about "Well, the MAZ chassis for 12 containers ..." KamAZ developed new chassis both to replace the MAZ chassis and to replace the Kama MLRS chassis. In addition to the KamAZ chassis, there are BAZ chassis suitable for replacing.

        2. 0
          9 January 2023 11: 14
          Quote: Sergei N 58912062
          The FMTV chassis has many advantages over the MAZ chassis.

          What are the advantages of a long-wheelbase 6x6 truck (well, at least not 6x4), without a locking differential in front of a short-wheelbase 8x8 truck with the possibility of locking differentials and excellent cross-country ability? laughing
          Maybe the 543rd is not as economical as modern trucks, but there is little that can compete with Soviet platforms in terms of cross-country ability.
      2. +3
        29 December 2022 21: 36
        Here, probably, the Americans have a plus. The installation shoots all types of missiles. No need to have 3 installations. You need to have 3 packs. I don’t know how the highmars is charged, but it’s probably cheaper to bring a package on a truck than to bring a specialized pu.
        Well, the crew can be taught according to one program. In highmars, I don’t think that the management is complicated, most likely everything is as automated as possible. And the computer on board itself calculates the necessary parameters and shows the tilt needles that are needed and does the topographic location, etc.
        1. 0
          9 January 2023 11: 22
          Quote: Goto
          I don't know how highmars is charged,

          Dumbly, he charges, TZM arrives, puts the packages on the ground with a crane, then the chimars loads the packages from the ground with his crane. It is more difficult for us with this, because the caliber of the ammunition is 300mm, the weight of the package would be, to put it mildly, more.
    2. +3
      29 December 2022 10: 41
      Since it was not created as an answer to Hymars. He screwed the chip with precision and that's it. I don't think it's redundant.
      1. 0
        9 January 2023 11: 25
        It is not superfluous, especially if it is possible to set targets according to the radius of destruction of missiles with full coverage of the area. Because 2-3 missiles in one place, this is not uncommon in the old MLRS.
    3. +1
      29 December 2022 13: 03
      The universal is always worse than the special.
      1. +1
        29 December 2022 18: 15
        stankow what are you talking about! Is it always worse? I do not believe! The universal launcher M 142 HIMARS did not show itself badly before Ukraine. And it does not show itself badly in Ukraine. And if the Yankees still deliver ATACMS missiles to Ukrainians, then we will have much more problems!
        1. +4
          29 December 2022 23: 59
          I say what I was taught by 40 years of experience as an engineer, in civilian life. Including developments on GPS. And I evaluate Hymars as a reserve officer, artillery. Hymars is just an ordinary MLRS. In insufficient quantities. But in propaganda - sweeps away everything laughing
          1. -1
            6 January 2023 03: 08
            An ordinary MLRS turned the tide of the war, where do you come from
        2. 0
          9 January 2023 11: 27
          On the outskirts, Western communications and intelligence, and not a chimera, show themselves well. if we hadn’t missed this paramount aspect, we would have already resolved the conflict with Poland, which would have thrown a tantrum in connection with the presence of the Russian Federation at its borders.
  6. +1
    29 December 2022 06: 41
    Shells brought to mass production and even supplied to the troops

    Hallelujah!!!
    ps even if the accuracy is not very good, even if the range is a little less - good news!
  7. +3
    29 December 2022 07: 25
    All these weapons are only being delivered to the troops. Previously, what was thought, it is not clear. I read the news every day, but I don’t see the ability of our troops, having all the weapons, to break through the defenses even in the Donbass. Something is not heard about guided bombs that would get any rats. Yes, and there are bridges across the Dnieper, which no one even tried to destroy. I’m wondering if, with the support of aviation, having hit 50-100 vehicles with an armored fist, it was impossible to break through the defenses and go behind enemy lines? Having gone behind enemy lines, the defense will already crumble, there will be no reserves. They say they dug in there, what's the point of wasting MLRS shells if adjustable bombs are needed there? First, strike with adjustable bombs, disrupting passages and communications, then treat with artillery and launch tanks and armored vehicles into the attack, with the support of helicopters and helicopter landings, break into the rear and gain a foothold. Depriving the enemy of reinforcements. The doctor starts walking away. Our generals have obviously forgotten how to fight. Take the same Bakhmut, for which month there has been a war there? They could break through, they say around the city 40 BTGs are ours.
    1. 0
      29 December 2022 08: 03
      I think that our generals understand everything better than us, there are apparently reasons why they don’t do what you wrote.
      1. +2
        29 December 2022 09: 00
        There is only one reason, this is a career and one's own skin and well-being in retirement with all the benefits. The marshal was rubbed glasses and shown slides. The slide show was introduced by traitors and agents of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For the sake of which the lompasniks wore shoulder straps.
      2. 0
        29 December 2022 11: 20
        This is the trouble, everyone thinks that there are some reasons, but it seems to me that there is a lack of determination
      3. +3
        29 December 2022 12: 55
        The main reason is the inability of these generals to fight in a new way, because they studied poorly, using the experience of the past they have problems that they don’t have this experience.
    2. +5
      29 December 2022 10: 45
      Our generals have obviously forgotten how to fight.

      While the news will show the shelling of the center of Donetsk from cannon artillery and mortars, what changes can we talk about in the NVO? It's immediately clear where the front line is!
    3. +7
      29 December 2022 12: 05
      Really, why?
      1. The concentration of the strike force will be immediately noticed by the enemy - detection and reconnaissance work perfectly for them.
      2. Accordingly, strikes will immediately be made on supply routes and warehouses - an armored fist needs a powerful supply of resources. Unfortunately, the Russian army is capable of logistics at the WWII level.
      3. You need a lot of assault infantry (even if you don’t talk about a “clean breakthrough”) - where can you get it?
      4. The attack itself will lead to at least heavy losses - the Ukrainians competently build defensive lines, mine the area, they have a large number of modern anti-tank systems in their hands. The most important thing is the accurate and fast fire of the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the same Chimeras.
      5. Even if a miracle happened and the breakthrough was successful (they found a weak spot, the enemy "rang"), the Russian army is currently not able to successfully develop a deep breakthrough - the level of communications and logistics, alas, will stop this offensive better than any Javelins. It will turn out like in the spring, only much worse in terms of losses.
      R.S. support by helicopters - the maximum that they can now - shoot from a roll-up. Over the battlefield their lives - 5 minutes.
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    5. 0
      29 December 2022 20: 56
      Even in the Donbass???!! In the Donbass - the most powerful and echeloned defense of the Sumerians. There further, except for Gulyaypole - bare steppe.
      With regards to Bakhmut, what is more profitable: taking this fortified area and running into another one - Kramatorsk, or hitting the targeted positions with artillery. Now, specifically, Bakhmut is Zeli's school, which drives reserves along the roads that are being shot through.
      1. +1
        29 December 2022 21: 46
        And behind these fortifications, there will be more fortifications, while one fortification is being dismantled, another is being built. In my opinion, there is only one option - to use the attack from different sides. The enemy will not be able to equally defend all positions. But then you need a lot of reserves, with such a development. And to attack in the forehead, storming the fortifications, this is possibly a very useless exercise. Because the main factor is leaving - time.
        1. 0
          30 December 2022 09: 47
          Because the main factor is leaving - time.

          Time will allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to set up shahid mopeds, with corresponding consequences for thermal power plants and airfields.
      2. 0
        30 December 2022 00: 02
        Nonsense, look at the map of Ukraine, if you go to Kramatorsk, then even without taking it to the south, any movement from it to the south will bring down the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the east, or they will leave the fortified areas near Donetsk without a fight or fall into a fire bag.
        That is why the retreat from Izyum was insulting, because if it was preserved, access to Slavyansk from the east meant a turning point in the war.
    6. 0
      7 January 2023 08: 47
      And air defense ukrov that they will sleep. therefore, we are trampling around everywhere that we are not able to destroy their air defense. And we don't have enough planes. to lose them.
  8. 0
    29 December 2022 10: 29
    Judging by the trends in artillery. We need to build a whole plant for such missiles. And get Kamaz-8x8 from the garage with 6 guides for such a rocket. And personally, my rationalization proposal is to hang such a corr missile under the Su30. When launched from a carrier, the range will increase to 250-300 km. And the Su30 will pull a couple of missiles.
  9. -2
    29 December 2022 10: 42
    The MLRS "Polonaise" has a range of 50 ... 300 km. 2015
    Somehow, 120 km of the new rocket does not look very good!
    1. +2
      29 December 2022 13: 12
      It is necessary to compare ammunition - Corps-number of explosives. A 152mm projectile and the same explosive in plastic are two different things.
    2. +1
      30 December 2022 00: 06
      The Polonaise has 300 km - this is not a high-precision missile.
      1. 0
        4 March 2023 18: 31
        the polonaise has an inertial guidance system.
  10. 0
    29 December 2022 12: 54
    All this was written about a year ago. But this did not stop hundreds of all-propellers from yelling "Russia does not have it, there are none in the troops, the generals stole everything." It won’t stop them from yelling even after this article wink
  11. -1
    29 December 2022 14: 06
    Quote: stankow
    Why silence? Russia did not run out of drones or aviation.

    Well, they didn't even start.
    1. +2
      30 December 2022 00: 07
      At least you wouldn’t burn with such statements, even the most notorious jingoistic patriots of Ukraine do not declare such things.
  12. +1
    29 December 2022 14: 15
    Quote from Bingo
    6 sniper rifles on one carriage will not replace a machine gun. Even if they are equipped with a gross cartridge. But the machine gun sniper - completely replaces, moreover, very often replaced.

    You are delirious, my dear. Can you give an example of solving SNIPER tasks by a machine gunner?
    1. +2
      29 December 2022 14: 56
      This appears to be in the categoryat the competition of snipers, the calculation of the machine gun won, hitting the targets in the allotted time 150 times". smile
    2. 0
      29 December 2022 16: 43
      If they don’t lie, then here: https://lenta.ru/news/2018/08/14/chpok/
    3. 0
      30 December 2022 00: 50
      Quote: KSVK
      Can you give an example of solving SNIPER tasks by a machine gunner?

      Easy. Defeat enemy snipers. Sniper mission? like one of the let's say a sniper with a caliber of 7,62x is against you, what is the more effective way to solve the problem? with a similar caliber or burst from Korda (Cliff, CPV, etc.) which has just been repeatedly seen with optics?
  13. +1
    29 December 2022 16: 29
    So, a new head part with external aerodynamic rudders has been developed. It accommodates a guidance system based on satellite and inertial navigation. Control is carried out for the entire duration of the flight, which makes it possible to obtain a minimum CEP. Due to the new solid-propellant engine, the launch range has been increased to 100-120 km.

    I really want to see the effective work of this MLRS comparable to the work of the enemy Hymars. That's the same way to make holes in the bridge defiantly and indicatively. There are enough bridges within reach.
    1. 0
      29 December 2022 20: 59
      You need to hit the bridges either with Fabs or with a tact. Everything else they will eat and not choke.
  14. +2
    29 December 2022 16: 37
    It seems that there were bazaars with a range of 100+ 10 years ago: (https://ria.ru/20221229/vyskazyvanie-1842216187.html).
    And in the 12th there was already an adjustable 9M542 rocket projectile (https://missilery.info/missile/smerch/5616)...
    what
    So what? Since then, the cart has been there until now?
    Everyone, as with drones, did not care ??? belay
  15. +1
    29 December 2022 17: 55
    Shells with a range of 92 km were presented at the Army 2011 exhibition for the Smerch MLRS and with a range of 40 km for the Grad MLRS, and precisely as a response to the Hymers.
  16. +1
    29 December 2022 19: 11
    It is necessary to design ammunition with drones. To quickly get a situational picture. Launched, and in 5 minutes the information already went. And now, for the first time, three drones must be included in the set of Tornado and Tornadoes for reconnaissance of enemy firing points.
  17. +1
    29 December 2022 19: 33
    Best rockets with increased consideration. It flies up and sees that the target number is not the same and it starts to dangle between targets, missing the desired number. If it doesn’t find it, it starts to get nervous, it heats up to a boil and then it gets anywhere. A completely innocent target may be harmed. She doesn’t give a damn, because she’s not responsible for the consequences, isn’t her toko high-explosive fragments, or what?
    1. 0
      6 January 2023 01: 14
      laughing laughing Fell off the couch laughing :)
      ....................
    2. 0
      9 January 2023 12: 55
      Laughter with laughter, but something very similar is in development;)
  18. 0
    30 December 2022 00: 42
    In particular, the advertised M777 howitzers, depending on the type of projectile, have a firing range of up to 25-30 km, and the M142 MLRS uses an adjustable GMLRS projectile with a range of 92 km.
    Such weapons are used to attack civilian objects and terrorize the population - and require appropriate measures. A successful response to such threats could be Tornado-S. Regardless of the type of projectile used, in terms of firing range it surpasses any enemy barrel systems. The presence of different warheads simplifies the defeat of such targets. It is easy to see that with the new Tornado-S missile it has advantages in range and over the HIMARS product. To a certain extent, this will simplify the defeat of the enemy's MLRS in parking lots, in firing positions, during reloading, etc.

    The author stop writing nonsense and your fantasies, or write non-science fiction fan fiction about saving the USSR on samizdat.
    Take a compass and measure the distance from the airfield in Saki to the nearest point that is controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ... The UPS distance is well over 100 km, at the time of the strike on the airfield. And this means that ER version missiles have long been delivered to / in Ukraine, the range of which reaches 150+ km (if I don’t confuse, I’m too lazy to check) This is with regard to the superiority in range of new rockets.
    As for fighting the Himars... hitting them in firing positions and reloading. Just a hand face. You cannot detect from the launch position, because NOTHING - this is the time. There are such fools that after the launch they will sit and wait, well, when will the answer arrive? This is two. They will pedal while their missiles are still flying towards the target. Reloading is the same, well, at least they made an effort on themselves and looked at how American systems are charged using PACKAGES, which are simply inserted at once into the launcher in a couple of minutes and this is not stuffing one by one into Russian / Soviet MLRS. It's three. The only option is to spot the parking lot and hope they don't move out of there before they arrive.
    1. +2
      30 December 2022 00: 59
      Well, there is nothing to detect it. Don't we have radio intelligence, and especially RTR. Any military vehicle is equipped with radio communications, HF / VHF. By means of direction finding, it is possible to determine the azimuth on the ground and the distance to the radio signal source. Well, they won’t carry Starlink with them, which is salty to calculate the location. They all have a connection. Therefore, a shift must be on duty and constantly monitor the air for the presence of various radio signals at the radio control point. Observe and track, create a profile of the signal under study, the history of the movement of this signal in space. When it is noticeable that it is moving in certain coordinates, it is mono to send a high-altitude UAV with very good optics to confirm the target and further observation, routes, deployment, etc. Surely you can trace where it is hidden and where the ammunition is hidden. The initial task is to determine the target area, and then, this is a matter of technology. Otherwise, the same UAV should be in the air 24/7
  19. 0
    3 January 2023 13: 25
    Blah blah blah. They went to the series in a parallel reality.
  20. -1
    5 January 2023 02: 22
    I read our military, they wrote that the accuracy of our Tornado-S would be worse than Himars, and as some people correctly noted here, the problem is not in the Tornado-G itself or its projectile, but in the fact that our accuracy of the Glonass system is significantly inferior to the American GPS system , therefore, it is extremely necessary to develop a satellite constellation of troops and then the shells will definitely increase.
    1. +1
      6 January 2023 01: 21
      Glonas in general not inferior to GPS. From what? The same number of satellites, the same frequency bands, the same ionosphere. And in the northern regions (Russia), Glonas is a little better, due to the rise of its satellites to the north. 65 degrees versus 55 for GPS.
      1. 0
        9 January 2023 13: 02
        This is just the result of the work of ipso mattresses. For 30 years they have been instilling in us "in Russia they can only do shit, you will not succeed, you are backward" and stuff like that. I remember these propaganda films in which another "American weapon is super cool super modern, almost alien" was suggested. I remember how we watched this feces as children and sincerely believed in it. The problem is that someone turned on their brains, and someone still believes in this shit and prays for their shooting-flying games.
  21. 0
    5 January 2023 02: 27
    Works Tornado-S
    https://t.me/swodki/211338
    1. 0
      6 January 2023 03: 09
      Tornado-With volleys do not shoot, their units, the usual Tornado
  22. 0
    6 January 2023 21: 48
    Due to the new solid-propellant engine, the launch range has been increased to 100-120 km. Several combat units are proposed to hit different targets.


    The Chinese have 300 mm rockets for 300 km, the Belarusians for 200 km, and why do domestic promising developments "having no analogues in the world" have a range of only 120 km.
    1. 0
      11 January 2023 14: 51
      And what kind of warhead do they have? What about the setup size?
  23. +1
    11 February 2023 02: 30
    This is of course wonderful. But it is only extremely important to urgently introduce a reliable target designation system that makes it possible to quickly exchange data with intelligence. It is necessary to reduce the maximum request-strike time