Horn for shooting

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Horn for shooting
Here it is - the FAMAS F1 rifle. Without a magazine, but with a red dot sight on the carrying handle. Photo Forgotten Weapons


“On the road, on the road, the day of fun is over, it's time to go hiking.
Aim for the chest, little Zouave, cheer!
For many days, believing in miracles, Suzanne is waiting,
She has blue eyes and a scarlet mouth."

Poems by Konstantin Podrevsky

Weapon and firms. And it was so that MAS released an assault rifle for the French army, and it became a milestone in stories firearms, and a milestone that we have not yet talked about. The unofficial name of the rifle is “Cleron” (fr. clairon - horn), but the development of a new weapon according to the “bullpup” scheme and under a low-pulse 5,56-mm cartridge began in France back in 1967. Designers Paul Tellier and Alain Kubet worked on it. For some reason, the French did not like the above cartridge, and in August 1970 they opted for the 5,56 × 45 mm M193 cartridge. It is interesting that the "horn" was created both as a rifle, more precisely - an automatic machine, and as a replacement for the 9-mm MAT-49 submachine gun. And she was supposed to replace the 7,5 mm MAS 49/56 self-loading rifle and Mle.1929 light machine guns. The requirements for it were as follows: 300 m - the distance of aimed shooting with a constant sight, firing rifle grenades. And, of course, it was also about the fact that the new rifle was ergonomic. In particular, unlike the British "bullpup" CA85, it could be fired from both the left shoulder and the right.




A Cameroonian soldier with an F1 rifle on patrol, March 18, 2014, during an exercise in Kutab, Cameroon

The first ten rifles were manufactured in 1971 (under the designation A1) for testing, and in 1973 the second model (A2) was introduced, which amazed everyone with its size. And no wonder, because it turned out to be as much as 200 mm shorter than most of the then automatic rifles, including those made in the bullpup layout, with the same barrel length as theirs! In 1973-1976, according to the test results, the A5 variant was recognized as suitable for the army, and in August 1977, the A6 variant was put into service under the designation FAMAS F1.


FAMAS F1 close-up

Within six years, the French army purchased about 300 F1 rifles and re-equipped almost all of its troops with them. Then, in the early 1980s, modifications such as Commando, Export and Civil were developed on its basis.


Recruits are taught how to assemble and disassemble the FAMAS F1 while blindfolded

In the early 90s, GIAT Industries offered its own version of this G1 rifle, and in 1994 - G2, which in 1995 entered service first with the Marine Corps, and then with all other units of the Armed Forces of the French Republic. The G1 differs from the F2 in having an enlarged guard, an all-fiberglass body, and a new 30-round magazine, while the first samples used a 25-round magazine. The G2 Sniper is a sniper variant of the G2 with a 650mm barrel and a Picatinny rail instead of a carrying handle that the scope should be attached to.


U.S. Marines and French Gendarmerie exercises December 3, 2014

The FAMAS rifle uses automatics, which work due to the recoil of a semi-free shutter, controlled by a lever. The chamber has 16 Revelli grooves, which prevent the cases from sticking in the 44 mm chamber. The design of the barrel is such that with its help the shooter from this rifle can also throw rocket-propelled grenades of various types. To do this, on the front of the barrel there are several annular protrusions with numbers printed on them for different grenade shanks - which “gets” to which number. This is important, because different grenades from a rifle are fired using different cartridges, both live with a bullet and blanks, and ... God forbid you mix them up! The flame arrester is slotted, fixed on the thread on the muzzle of the barrel. Transverse ribs are provided on the outer surface of the barrel for better cooling. The material of the receiver is light aluminum alloy, but both casings, in which the parts of the mechanism are located, are made of fiberglass. In this case, the upper casing simultaneously serves as the basis for a light bipod and a sight guard, designed in the form of a large carrying handle, which is also made of plastic.


Recruits shoot afloat!

On the back of the stock there is a rubber springy butt pad, which somewhat reduces the impact of recoil. The extractor is double-sided, it has two holes that open and close depending on whether the shooter is left-handed or right-handed. By the way, the reloading handle on the rifle stands vertically and is available for cocking both on the left and on the right.


"It's hard to learn, easy to hike"

The USM is designed in such a way that it makes it possible to fire single shots, short bursts with a cut-off of 3 shots, or conduct continuous fire. Interestingly, to ensure all these "provisions", the French had to put not one, but two translators - one near the trigger for three positions: "fuse", "single fire", "automatic fire"; another interpreter with positions "0" ("no fixed queues") and "3" ("fixed queues") is located on the butt.


Oh, these show-offs to me ...

Sights in the carrying handle are located next to the sight for throwing grenades. Nevertheless, the length of the sighting line is 330 mm, which is very decent. For comparison, for a Kalashnikov assault rifle, it is 378 mm. However, the French have a "bullpap" after all. At the same time, for shooting at 100 and 200 m, an adjustable sight is used, but at 300 m - a fixed one.


French special forces - "Men in Black"

A luminous dot on the front sight and a nozzle on the sight allow you to shoot in the dark. In addition, two folding plates with diopter holes of different sizes are provided in front and behind the carrying handle post. By changing them depending on the illumination, you can choose the most comfortable option for observing the target and aiming: during the day, both plates are raised, and aiming is carried out through a small hole. With the onset of dusk, the plate with a smaller hole (front) is lowered, and aiming is carried out using a large diameter diopter. But at night, both plates are already lowered, and aiming is carried out through a large hole on the rack itself. Naturally, adjustment of the sights is provided both horizontally and vertically.


“Who is knocking on my door with FAMAS on his belt?!”

The F1 rifle uses 25-round box magazines with rectangular shapes, which have holes for visual control of ammunition consumption. Also, the rifle is equipped with a bayonet-knife, but unlike most rifles, on the FAMAS rifle it is mounted not under the barrel, but above it.


A French Marine from the 5th Marine Regiment prepares to treat a conditionally wounded man during a practical exercise at a combat training course in the desert. French Desert Training and Training Center, Djibouti, February 27, 2013.

There is also a 58mm muzzle attachment for firing tear gas grenades. But this is a weapon for performing police functions. In a standard configuration, this rifle can be fired with rifle muzzle grenades of the following types: AC58 - an anti-tank grenade weighing 0,5 kg and armor penetration along the normal up to 350 mm. Sighting range is 75-100 m; APAV40 is an anti-personnel and anti-tank grenade weighing 0,405 kg, with a lethal radius of up to 12 m, fragmentation up to 100 m and armor penetration along the normal up to 100 mm. However, even this seemed insufficient to the French engineers, and just in case, they provided mounts for the M203 underbarrel grenade launcher under the forearm.


French and Somali military police are on duty at a roadside checkpoint near Buurhakaba. Somalis with AK-47s, French with FAMAS rifles

FAMAS Commando features a 405 mm barrel. You cannot shoot grenades from it. This is a special forces weapon. FAMAS Export is a self-loading variant specially designed for commercial sale to other countries. Finally, the FAMAS Civil is another self-loading variant chambered in .222 Remington. Designed for domestic commercial sale.


July 5, 2013 Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland. Brothers in arms measure who has the best "shooter"

It is believed that this automatic rifle has the following advantages: it is compact, has good accuracy of combat, it can be quickly adapted for firing both from the left and from the right shoulder, there are bipods (so each such rifle is also a light machine gun), the reloading handle is conveniently located, the entire body is made of plastic. And finally, the reliability of the design as a whole is noted.


NK416F-S of the French army, July 14, 2019. Photo by the author


HK417 is distinguished only by the caliber 7,62-mm and the fact that it is used by snipers. Author photo

What about disadvantages? They certainly exist too. So, in F1, a 25-round magazine can be inserted the other way around, the sight has only a rear sight, when firing rifle grenades, you need to remember which one to shoot with a blank and which one with a live cartridge. And it is better not to confuse them! When firing a grenade with direct fire, the recoil is very high. The magazine capacity, although not much, is less than that of most Western rifles. But the biggest drawback is that the automatic rifle deforms brass cases during firing, so FAMAS has to produce cartridges with steel cases.


French "parachutiste" in full street gear with a FAMAS F1 rifle and ... a Sauer pistol, previously removed from its holster! July 14, 2019 Photo by the author

Well, it all ended with the fact that in September 2016, according to the Franz-Press agency, the French army decided to abandon its “native” rifle and adopt the HK416 rifle, manufactured in Germany. In 2019, this rifle in several versions already went to the French troops, but FAMAS still continued to be used, and this rifle could even be seen in the hands of French soldiers stationed in Paris on the celebration of Independence Day on July 14, 2019.
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  1. +15
    31 December 2022 04: 46
    A rifle is like a rifle. She served her. I'm interested in something else. How prepared is our conscript for anything other than PCBs and sweeping the area? Do they even shoot at 25 meters from Makarov? In my time of 2011-2012, I only shot from AKS74U, NSVT, PKT and a tank gun, but I’m a tanker in my city at home, and I can’t advance the front line as it is now in Ukraine. And these are all? Infantry, Marines and landing troops? Looking at what is happening now, you begin to believe again that women are still giving birth. Someone says we have AKs and cartridges in the warehouses of darkness. Where is it all? Burnt out and sold? I think so. I'll tell you the hurtful truth... Conscripts leave for demobilization the same as they came to the service. The maximum level is KMB. How will these brats fight? They can't do anything. More than half of them will not fix the toilet at home. Let me tell you a little about my years 2011-2012. Tankers are not prepared from the word at all. First, we are poor. You can end there. Boiled just looking at the pictures and their descriptions. Conscripts, conscripts, conscripts ... And how can we not think about conscripts. Although I overdid it with PCBs. After all, we have vacuum cleaners and outsourcing ... Have we added cartridges and shells to our boys from this reform? In general, nothing new. We are, as always, the second in the world, having nothing there in the world and the very first in games. Sadness and nothing more.
    1. +9
      31 December 2022 04: 59
      for all that, I would, at hour X, choose AK 7.62, and a dozen three to five "horns".
      1. +3
        1 January 2023 11: 47
        Bucket! Bucket of ammo!!
        Ttttttttttttt
    2. +12
      31 December 2022 06: 04
      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      They even shoot at 25 meters from Makarov

      10 times here already wrote, I will repeat in the 11th. Until shooting sports are revived in the country, there is no need to ask about this. He himself was engaged in bullet training, when a conscript, after a two-year period, told me that he knew how to shoot - he always whinnied. I will say to myself that I always shot medium from automatic weapons. and these, motherfuckers. And now there has long been practical shooting, close to reality. This is a plus for DOSAAF - any kid will run there himself, the only thing is that there is no money for this. On shooting galleries, on cartridges, on an obstacle course, well, at least, it would be nice to have some sort of auto-thread circle, something like tourism, yes ... Yes, and this is already with ears! And it makes sense to allocate money for this from the budget - then it will be exactly PREPARATION, and not garbage with that name, and this is paying off on a national scale. It's not money thrown away at all. And you need them - not a damn thing at all ...
      So, and only so it is treated. Plus, again, patriotic education - that's exactly what is done. Damn it, believe me, who butted heads, and even more so, played for the national team of their country ... There is no need to explain anything to anyone there. Finally, well, just, aphids, sorry for my French. Somehow more ingenious than various gatherings of idiots on some lake there, Seliger, chtol?
      Quote: Dead Day
      for all that, I would, at hour X, choose AK 7.62, and a dozen three to five "horns".

      As practice shows, in the Donbass you have to dig and sit more than run - the weight of the store plays less ... So 7,62
      1. +10
        31 December 2022 15: 21
        Quote from Bingo
        And now there has long been practical shooting, close to reality.
        Practical shooting is for civilian self-defense, it is not useful for the military (the wrong targets, the wrong distances, in general the whole situation is not the same). It's probably better than nothing, but it's not. The strikeball and hardball are generally harmful for the military - it forms harmful reflexes.
        Quote from Bingo
        He himself was engaged in bullet training, when a conscript, after a two-year period, told me that he knew how to shoot - he always whinnied.
        Tell me, how quickly did your skills disappear after you stopped shooting?
        1. 0
          4 January 2023 17: 56
          The main thing is not in distances and goals, but to teach how to properly handle weapons, use and store .. This is not a mop standing outside the door .. as long as shooting sports and hunting are not removed from army ammunition, there will be no development .... US example all riflemen in the army come from a civilian, and not vice versa
          1. TIR
            0
            16 February 2023 18: 03
            Shooting is not the main thing, but psychology. The attitude towards weapons must be laid already from the school bench. So that already in the army the recruit is not afraid of weapons
    3. +4
      31 December 2022 06: 10
      Well, let's take, for example, the Yurga brigade. the very one that Dudayev's palace stormed along with the marines of the northern fleet and now also in the NWO. For about 18 years, their teachings did not stop. Constant field exits, tanks back and forth, firing around the clock and day and night, the entire training ground was pitted with ruts, they crossed ravines and some small rivers, that is, not only firing from stationary points. Then Tom’s forcing along the bottom with a snorkel, in my opinion, even the tank was drowned at the same time, it seems, what that press wrote. You just don’t have to judge everyone by yourself and from your own experience, Well, 10 years is still not an indicator. Everything changed very rapidly. I myself then thought how much money was thrown into the wind for these exercises. Who, like, needs tanks in a modern war, is it really that they drive a whole part for the sake of a fashionable tank biathlon. but it turned out how it turned out ... Why not be limited to the story about one part, but do you know what the 58th army in the Caucasus was doing in general? real combat operations. of course, against shaitans-militants, as they are now commonly called, who have neither mortars nor anti-tank missiles, but all the same, military operations in mountainous wooded areas are something. Well, I don’t think you need to tell you about the Syrian epic, if you are a real Russian and not a former Soviet from tsipso, you cannot but know about it ...
      1. +3
        1 January 2023 14: 43
        Quote: voice of reason
        Well, let's take, for example, the Yurga brigade. the one that Dudayev's palace stormed

        Do you know the difference between war and special operation? In their incurable deceit, our authorities stubbornly call the first the second, but if Monday is called a boot, it will still be impossible to put on it. So.
        Conscripts are fighting in the war. The special equipment either ends altogether, or plaintive lumps remain from it, and even those wounded are wounded. Ek us THEIR conscripts stuffed cheerfully, did you notice? And they keep pushing. Further, it will only get worse. Such is the story with points of view and "his experience".
        And we don't have trained recruits. Well, that is in general. You can hint at cisso as much as you like, this will not change the facts. Yes, there is BARS. In a meager amount. It was a brilliant idea - to raise the combat capability of the army without appealing to the people. They say there is no need to disturb the people, more will rise. So how? By special forces? Happened? Crap...
    4. +8
      31 December 2022 06: 58
      Hm. I look, from 1987-89 nothing has changed by 2011. For 30 years. It is strange then to expect that over the past 10 years it has changed ...

      We were building every day. Evening walk is a must. I can still beat mattresses with a special board with a clear edge with my eyes closed, but can I assemble and disassemble the machine? Um. I doubt.

      I fired once every six months, several rounds at a time. Once I shot from the DShK, 1/3 of the cartridges were rotten, it didn’t work in bursts, only single ones, throwing out rotten ones after misfires. The equipment on which he served (S-75, air defense) was -30 years old according to the year of manufacture, and not according to the year of adoption, 1955.
      1. +4
        31 December 2022 19: 19
        The equipment on which he served (S-75, air defense) was -30 years old according to the year of manufacture, and not according to the year of adoption, 1955.
        The S-75 of the 1955 model and the S-75, modified after the Vietnam War and a number of Arab-Jewish wars, are generally different systems. Although in 1987 this system was already outdated.
    5. Eug
      +6
      31 December 2022 07: 03
      The old principle - "war is bullshit, the main thing is maneuvers" has anyone canceled it?
    6. +7
      31 December 2022 13: 24
      why do conscripts shoot from Makarov?
      1. 0
        4 January 2023 00: 39
        Shooting training is effective from a pistol to a rifle or machine gun. Since there are more errors in the pistol, and if they are eliminated, then retraining for a long weapon is easy and simple. But if you start with a long one, then you can fix the mistakes in shooting that are not noticeable on it, and then relearn the figs.
        An additional plus is that the pistol cartridges themselves are cheaper, and there are fewer requirements for the durability of the shooting gallery.
        IMHO, the ideal option is that pistol shooting is a school subject, and the results fit into the certificate. Because accurate shooting from a pistol is also an indicator of fine motor skills and a calm character. That is, if hiring workers to assemble microelectronics is a priority for first-rate pistols.
        1. -1
          5 January 2023 11: 29
          Do you want checkers or go? The task is to train a soldier to shoot from a machine gun, and not to build a beautiful and "efficient" training process. What's the point of spending several days of training and a few zinc cartridges so that a soldier understands that if you shoot aiming, then the bullet hits, especially if he then he won’t hold a pistol in his hands at all. Give the fighter an extra hundred rounds of ammunition, explain in more detail in the training class the flight of a bullet and the effectiveness of such training will be an order of magnitude higher .. Our soldiers don’t know how to shoot, not because they weren’t given pistols at the beginning of training , but because they are poorly taught and given little ammunition for shooting. Have you heard about the "titmouse in the hands"? If you want to get well-aimed soldiers, you don’t have to reinvent the wheel and force them to learn a pistol, and then an assault rifle, but give them a single shooting training course that will include shooting 800 rounds per month and monthly shooting with 90 rounds per month and you will be surprised, but they will learn fire.
    7. +2
      31 December 2022 19: 14
      Do they even shoot at 25 meters from Makarov?
      But does he need it, a conscript from the PM to shoot? My son served as a driver in 2010-2011. The materiel knows, but he fired only once from the AK-74. So the mess with shooting training during Marshal Taburetkin was pretty big, I agree with that.
      1. -1
        5 January 2023 11: 36
        Serdyukov has nothing to do with it - stories with 6 rounds started 2 years before him .. If we want to get experienced conscripts and then contract soldiers, we need to change the training program .. I consider the American approach to be the best option for training, and let them at least get downvoted here, BUT I see this :
        1) the first month of training - adaptive, medical examinations, drill, army life in the training center
        2) 2-5 months of training - unified shooting training for all soldiers: 800 rounds in the second month, then a hundred rounds each, studying the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the basics of communications, the main types of weapons, hand-to-hand combat, etc., without drill. Training center
        3) 6-9 months of training in VUS. Training center, firing 100 rounds per month from a machine gun, if a sniper or machine gunner, then they have their own standards.
        4)10+ months-service in part.

        Training centers should be separate units, where sergeants and above are contract soldiers who have been trained, including in the educational part of communication with personnel. By the way, this will help to remove the problem of hazing, since a fighter who arrives in the unit after 9 months of training with regular hand-to-hand fighter classes is not yesterday's schoolboy who ate pies at home a week ago
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    8. +4
      1 January 2023 11: 52
      Someone says we have AKs and cartridges in the warehouses of darkness.

      In general, looking at the current situation, one involuntarily asks the question - how much of what we believe in and what we were told is fake? Already too many fairy tales held our house of cards, driving into people's heads as axioms (and as a result, they did not turn out to be axioms).
    9. +1
      2 January 2023 00: 12
      well xs. a friend's son was demobilized on New Year's Eve. He served in the Strategic Missile Forces as a signalman, it would seem, to whom to whom, but why should they shoot. So he says, he shot himself stupidly. The cartridges were not counted.
      1. 0
        4 January 2023 00: 43
        Quote: ecolog
        in the Strategic Missile Forces as a signalman ... why should they shoot

        In fact, signalmen are the first target for the enemy's DRG, from cutting off communication to giving a false order.
    10. +2
      2 January 2023 18: 31
      The liberoid muzzle selflessly dances on our existing problems ... and he takes special pleasure in the fact that this happens during a military operation. Break off, everything will be eliminated. Together with hysterics and ... Ukrainians.
    11. 0
      5 January 2023 14: 59
      Everything is stable on VO. An article about a French rifle, but the very first comment about the fact that everything is gone with us. Do you even read articles before commenting, or is there no need for this anymore? "Military Review" named after Roman Skomorokhov.
  2. +15
    31 December 2022 05: 45
    Happy New Year, friends! drinks

    The rifle, of course, is not a masterpiece, but it served its country.

    Incomplete disassembly in color. smile
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    But, in the end, they changed theirs to a Heckler-and-Koch hybrid with Eugene Stoner. bully

    1. +3
      31 December 2022 06: 10
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Happy New Year, friends!

      you too.
      - Until the new year, another 6 hours, and you are already drunk as pigs!
      - Life, comrade lieutenant, ahead of the dream!
      Dovlatov, "Zone"

      But the rifle, judging by the fact that the mattresses instead of Clairon called it a fagot ... Well, almost a fagot, but not quite laughing Probably failed feel
      1. +9
        31 December 2022 06: 52
        I don’t know about the meaning of fagot in French, but in English fagot is an insulting name for a person of a non-traditional orientation, something that in Russian begins with the letter P.
        1. +12
          31 December 2022 09: 20
          Good morning everyone!
          I shot a Frenchie in 2011. In comparison with the American (M-16a1). Loses to the latter in everything, most importantly, it is not convenient for prone shooting. Yes, and like all bullapps, it aims clumsily and reloads.
          Well, somewhere, so!
          1. +1
            31 December 2022 13: 25
            and the descent can also fall off) I read the memoirs of one "legionnaire", so he met this twice .. moreover, in a combat situation, I had to shoot back from a pistol ..
          2. +8
            31 December 2022 13: 53
            Good morning everyone!

            Vladislav, hello! drinks
            To all those present here, all friends on the site - Happy New Year! Happiness and health to you and your families. drinks And may the New Year be better than the outgoing one... hi
            1. +8
              31 December 2022 14: 43
              Hi, Nikolay! smile

              Thank you for your congratulations! All the very best to you and all of you! drinks

            2. +7
              31 December 2022 16: 32
              Happy New Year, Nikolay! Health and good luck! I admit and believe in a meeting in the New Year.
              1. +7
                31 December 2022 17: 24
                Sergey, Happy New Year to you too! smile All the best and good luck! drinks

              2. +6
                31 December 2022 18: 24
                I admit and believe in a meeting in the New Year.

                Sergey, all hands for! Only I will not come alone, but with a blacksmith. I mean, with Anton, Mikhail, Sergei Mikhailov and Alexander Asanov! drinks
                Everyone - Happy New Year! drinks
                1. +5
                  31 December 2022 21: 48
                  Who does not know the northwestern company. It's already a brand.
                  1. +5
                    1 January 2023 12: 46
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    It's already a brand.

                    It's already OPG.
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    Alexander Asanov!

                    With access to foreign partners. bully
                    1. +5
                      1 January 2023 12: 55

                      It's already OPG.

                      Who would doubt that!!! bully



                      Hello everyone and Happy Holidays!!! smile
                      1. +5
                        1 January 2023 14: 59
                        Who would doubt that!!!

                        Please!!! stop I personally cheer our, but not always adequate company I call "Society of lovers of history and belles-lettres named after St. Michael Pare"! laughing
                        I apologize in advance to the esteemed administration and esteemed comrade Vadim Smirnov for such a definition. drinks Some comrades had experience on the site of creating a "secret society", with wisdom and personal belongings ... what somewhat unfortunate...
                        We didn’t create anything, we just talked in a friendly way, and our company has been growing since 2016. You, Uncle Kostya, by the way, came in 2018. And yes, those of us who live or visit Leningrad - we meet, go to museums, although occasionally, but also "have a cultural time" over glasses too. wink And this is the best plus for Military Review. Because our site unites normal people! drinks And a special thanks to Anton for getting us out of the site and into the actual meetings! good drinks
                        And the definition of this "society" I personally gave this year as a joke. Yes For at the beginning of 2018, my article about this character was published. Please don't take anyone seriously. drinks
                        Guys, once again - Happy New Year everyone! Will live! drinks

                      2. 0
                        2 January 2023 15: 22
                        Oh, yes, Nikolai, well, he said! Well done, savsem - horseman, however!
                      3. +4
                        1 January 2023 15: 01
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        A holiday


                        This is clearly about them. *Gangster Petersburg* is resting.
                      4. +3
                        1 January 2023 15: 13
                        This is clearly about them. *Gangster Petersburg* is resting.

                        No, no, no, Sergey! stop The real spiritual and cultural St. Petersburg is with educated scientists and dismemberment! bully
                        You know, two of my friends on the site worked in law enforcement with us in the 90s. I will not name. drinks Both - still faced with this then in the service! request
                      5. +4
                        1 January 2023 17: 25
                        Real spiritual and cultural Petersburg


                        Who would doubt it! laughing



                        "In St. Petersburg - drink !!!" (c) laughing drinks
                        But the main thing is spiritually! Don't exhale on your neighbor. laughing drinks wassat
                      6. +6
                        1 January 2023 18: 11
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Don't exhale on your neighbor.

                        Petronedyshi!!!!
                      7. +2
                        1 January 2023 22: 07
                        In this clip, every character deserves attention. Piece goods.
                      8. +6
                        1 January 2023 18: 06
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        spiritual and cultural Petersburg is with educated scientists and

                        I'm saying ..... dismemberment. St. Petersburg * calm *.? Would you moan, huh?
                      9. +1
                        2 January 2023 01: 06
                        I'm saying ..... dismemberment. St. Petersburg * calm *.? Would you moan, huh?

                        Our "calm" is the Neva, and Petropavlovka, and Peterhof, and the monument to Pal Petrovich in the courtyard of the Mikhailovsky Castle. Our "calm" is also culture. Museums and theaters. And even the musical "Dance of the Vampires", which, Sergey, was first staged in Moscow, and then with us.

                        By the way, this is about prp. Michael Pare! laughing
          3. +1
            2 January 2023 01: 15
            I shot a Frenchie in 2011.

            .. and I dream that I am equipping magazines PM and AK-74 ... and shoulder straps .. grandfather's, Soviet, green ... he was a colonel. what Vlad, I've been a "jacket" for 14 years... recourse Sometimes I regret that I didn’t stay to serve ... I often regret .. there is a separate attitude ... recourse Well, and you - sincerely, become a general. Honestly. Worthy! soldier drinks
            1. +1
              2 January 2023 04: 31
              Agree! If someone is to be a general, then exclusively to our Vlad! drinks

              That's it, I drank tea - it doesn’t help, coffee doesn’t help, I’ll go and drink Massandra wine. In short, I went to "Alushta". wink
            2. 0
              2 January 2023 15: 25
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              general

              You deserve to be a general! The enemy does not sleep!
              (Major Pronin)
        2. +4
          31 December 2022 14: 41
          an anecdote from Soviet times, when our musician on tour introduced himself to colleagues
          and wondered what they are? I say that the bassoon and they say that they only have a bassoon conductor,
          well how? how can a bassoon be a conductor?
      2. +4
        31 December 2022 10: 02
        But the rifle, judging by the fact that the mattresses instead of Clairon called it a fagot ...

        Can you share the source of this information?
    2. +3
      31 December 2022 12: 24
      can also throw rocket-propelled grenades of various types.
      It’s bad luck with rocket-propelled grenades, there are probably a couple of pieces of RIFLE grenades of this type for the whole world, and then in prototypes.
      Happy New Year!
      1. +2
        31 December 2022 18: 02
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        There are probably a couple of rifle grenades of this type for the whole world, and then in prototypes.

        In fact, there are plenty of them, and serial ones.
        These are French...
        These are Canadians.
        1. +4
          1 January 2023 10: 45
          In fact, there are plenty of them, and serial ones.

          It's actually not a rocket-propelled grenade. This is an APAV40 rifle grenade. She doesn't have a jet engine. Throwing it is carried out in the old F1 model with a blank cartridge, in the new F2 with a combat one.

          A rocket-propelled grenade has a jet engine in its design. The American RAAM is the only production example of this type.

          1. +1
            1 January 2023 12: 30
            Quote from Passeur
            The American RAAM is the only production example of this type.
            It looks like it was never accepted into service.
            But "Brunswick" seems to have been accepted))).

            https://weaponland.ru/load/granatomet_raw/66-1-0-294
            1. +3
              1 January 2023 13: 49
              It looks like it was never accepted into service.

              We need to look for information. Somewhere I met that it was released for the ILC.

              As for RAW, it's like a rifle grenade, but of a rather cunning design, launched from a special bracket.
              1. +2
                1 January 2023 14: 52
                Quote from Passeur
                We need to look for information. Somewhere I met that it was released for the ILC.
                They write that in connection with "Perestroyka" they did not, the Soviet tank threat ceased to be a threat.
                https://topwar.ru/141041-protivotankovye-sredstva-amerikanskoy-pehoty-chast-2.html


                Quote from Passeur
                AW, then it’s like a rifle grenade, but quite a cunning design
                Well, just an adapter of a confused design,))) but launching it with a rifle shot allows us to consider this grenade as a rifle grenade.
                1. 0
                  1 January 2023 20: 30
                  but launching it with a rifle shot allows us to consider this grenade as a rifle grenade

                  Yes, I would say a kind of hybrid of a grenade launcher and a classic rifle grenade.
        2. +2
          1 January 2023 12: 18
          Quote: kalibr
          In fact, there are plenty of them, and serial ones.

          Mmmda...
          The mortar mine also has stabilizers, but that doesn't make it a rocket-propelled grenade.
          1. +1
            2 January 2023 15: 30
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            it doesn't make it.

            You are right, I did not read the essence of your initial comment ... We must be more careful. Thank you!
    3. 0
      4 January 2023 11: 50
      Dmitry Ivanovich Shiryaev said that allegedly after the capture of the famas, there was a serious scandal related to the fact that TKB408 Korobov once disappeared from the training ground, and the famas has an interchangeable shutter with it, and shoots in this form.
  3. +4
    31 December 2022 10: 14
    The development of a new weapon according to the "bullpup" scheme and under the low-impulse cartridge of the 5,56-mm caliber began in France back in 1967. Designers Paul Tellier and Alain Kubet worked on it. For some reason, the French did not like the above-mentioned cartridge, and in August 1970 they opted for the 5,56 × 45 mm M193 cartridge.

    To be honest, I didn’t understand which cartridge the French didn’t like, since 5,56 mm caliber cartridges were never produced in France. They had an experimental 7,65×35mm cartridge that they even designed an assault rifle for. But they really didn't like him.
  4. +5
    31 December 2022 15: 47
    I would like to note that fiberglass in Russian is fiberglass. For information.
    1. Fat
      +6
      1 January 2023 10: 27
      Any fiberglass = fiberglass, and then you can stir up as much as you like with resin and fibers. This is not a technical term, just a characteristic of the material. smile Wooden = possible, walnut, oak, birch or linden
  5. +6
    31 December 2022 17: 59
    hi
    Happy New Year!
    A few videos on the topic, including strange sights (still missing Ian from Foggoten Veapons in the comments):






    According to HK416, briefly.
    HC made the G36, and so well according to the specifications of the Bundeswehr that the HC even filed a lawsuit against the Bundeswehr, so that the court would confirm the old German truth "Without a clear TK - the result xs" And "according to specification and result".
    But since the HC's hands still grew as they should and from where they should, in parallel, a "smaaaaaly little" project was made for ARC fans - "everything is almost the same on the outside, only inside it is not an ARC, but a more efficient locking / gas outlet system" - here lovers of accurate technical descriptions, let's burn about "direct action" and "short stroke".
    And about a miracle! If you do it right, then it works out well!
    In general, XK416 "went" to those who are used to ARKs and those who wanted more reliable - from USMarineCorps to the French army.
  6. +4
    1 January 2023 11: 55
    Thanks for the interesting article! The rifle looks somewhat ridiculous due to the visual disproportion of a number of elements. I would say - not very aesthetically pleasing. But as a tool for filling up a person-by-man, it will do. A system with different cartridges for grenades is the wildest game of course, as if there will be time to figure it out in a combat situation ..
  7. -3
    2 January 2023 00: 18
    They are re-arming themselves with the Germans, because they screwed up their arms industry. The old FAMAS have exhausted their resources, but there are no new ones. In France, as in the once great Britain, Taburetkins are no match for ours. Elite real estate was built on the site of state arsenals that produce riflemen. Gaidar would be happy.
    1. +1
      2 January 2023 01: 48
      They are re-arming themselves with the Germans, because they screwed up their arms industry.

      They are re-arming themselves with the Germans because they believe that of the German Belgian, Swiss, Italian, Czech, Croatian, Israeli, Austrian, American, Canadian and French assault rifles considered, the German is the best.
      Small arms in France are manufactured by LEBEL (former Verney-Carron Security and Verney-Carron Defense). Their development, inferior to the Germans - VCD15.
  8. -1
    2 January 2023 10: 25
    I once read people who served in the legion. There were no good words about this Clairon. Those who had dealings with the Kalash people cursed this craft of frogs.
    1. -2
      2 January 2023 14: 02
      O! Frog lovers are among us! What is this? Is there any evidence that this guardian miracle is a good weapon?
  9. -1
    2 January 2023 18: 20
    Freak. And then I write so that it would not be said that "the message is uninformative." The rifle shoots great when it's beautiful. And this does not apply to the derivatives of the French and, especially, the British engineering "genius" from the word "completely".
  10. 0
    3 January 2023 13: 25
    The photo with the special forces shows what happens with intensive use - a piece of plastic from the "sight" is broken off. And if at -40 degrees. drop this rifle, then there will probably be nothing to collect)
  11. 0
    6 January 2023 00: 26
    There is generally an interesting story here, how the French le Shoigu competently and systematically killed not only a specific machine gun, but also the entire arms production in their country.

    Initially, FAMAS was not some particularly bad weapon. Anything is better than the British L85, and even against the background of the early M16 it’s not bad (any weapon has its own “childhood” period, perhaps if the Germans hadn’t attacked in 1941, now the SVT would be considered a legendary and ideal rifle). But the economy came into play. Why produce their own cartridges when the Belgians stamp them for all of NATO much cheaper? Let's kill our cartridge production and buy from the Belgians! Oh, and FAMAS only shoots well with French cartridges, Belgian strives to chew. Refuse Belgian cartridges? Expensive! Convert FAMAS to normal work with Belgian cartridges? Too expensive! Ignore the problem? You are accepted!

    And now some arithmetic. In the 1980s, 300-350 (but not more) thousand rifles were produced. Some of them ended up in the gendarmerie, some for export, some (with the truncation of automatic fire) for the civilian market. And the army before the reform of the 1990s was 500 people. Then they released about 000 more modernized rifles, in which the problem of cartridges (and many other problems) was partially solved. That is, by the end of the 50s, the main part of the FAMAs passed through dozens of hands (where they were not fired three shots on the oath, but used in full) and already physically fell apart. From such wear and tear, Kalash would have been crazy. More or less new and serviceable rifles were used by all sorts of elite troops.

    How to solve the problem? Well, to modernize FAMAS under the Belgian patron, to make all the improvements that have been overdue for 40 years and to rivet 400 pieces, so that it will be enough for another half a century? You're fired! Buy a license for the German M000 modification - this is my ninja way!
  12. TIR
    -2
    16 February 2023 18: 31
    Served 2011-2012. We were in the fields in spring and autumn. Rocket brigade. 2 times a week while in the fields we went to the shooting range. In general, the brigade fired every day, but the schedule was set in such a way that my battery went out 2 times a week. 1-2 full stores. If you hit the targets, then in the hill you find a mark for yourself and send the remnants far into the distance. As I was told, it is easier to use up the entire ammunition load than to unsubscribe later to the commander why the cartridges remained. Tired of cleaning the machine and therefore tried to leave the cordon. Sit in a trench there. Were in service with Tochka-U (after that, a part was transferred to the Iskanders). In general, the commander could tear off three skins from an officer or double bass if the equipment was not on the move or had stalled. Therefore, the entire fleet of vehicles was like a watch. Also, conscripts were taught to automatism what and how he should do. The same connection with other brigades was established by conscripts and double basses. The lieutenants did not climb at all, as they came from the school to the waist wooden. It was on the launchers that all were officers and double basses. It all depends on the commander