Su-27: leaving for the last flight, you should not look back

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Su-27: leaving for the last flight, you should not look back

Following our good friend Thomas Nedwick from The Driwe, we will look after the departing history aircraft Su-27.

More than enough has been written about the history of the Su-27, including on our pages. We confine ourselves to general data that, as the Su-27 aircraft made its first flight in 1977, in 1982, aircraft began to arrive in aviation parts, since 1985 their operation began. Adopted on August 23, 1990.



The Su-27 is the base aircraft of the Russian Air Force. Based on the Su-27, a large number of modifications have been developed: the combat training Su-27UB, the carrier-based fighter Su-33 and its combat training modification Su-33UB, multi-role fighters: Su-30, Su-27M, Su-35, front-line bomber Su -34. Third in the world in terms of quantity, the most common type of Russian-made combat aircraft.


At the time of the start of the SVO, there were 20 units on the list in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. Su-27, 10 pcs. Su-27UB, 47 pcs. Su-27SM and 24 pcs. Su-27SM3. In addition, a number of Su-27P aircraft are in storage.

According to official data, by the end of 2020, the almost complete decommissioning of the Su-27P and Su-27SM aircraft, which were ending their flight life, was expected. Naturally, with the beginning of the SVO, the aircraft continued to serve, which was repeatedly recorded by both our and Western media.

According to the official videos from the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Su-27 continues to be used in various modifications, despite the fact that the model is clearly inferior to its successors, the Su-30 and Su-35. In one of the last videos of the Zvezda TC, the “main character” was the Su-27SM, a candidate for retirement.


Despite the decision to decommission the aircraft, the flight life of which casts doubt on the expediency of their use, they continue to serve in the same Crimea. The Su-27SM was shown conducting combat air patrols carrying two R-27 medium-range air-to-air missiles and four R-73 short-range air-to-air missiles.

Indeed, the aircraft in the video bears traces of a fairly long operation. This is not the most modern modification, such a conclusion can be drawn from the pilot's helmet, which is not equipped with a helmet-mounted aiming system, characteristic of later models of the Su family aircraft.

This video allowed some foreign experts to draw conclusions about the deplorable state of the Russian Aerospace Forces fleet and seriously talk about the fact that "everything is not as rosy as the Russian OFSMI say."

Let me disagree.

For starters, you should look at the video of the TC "Zvezda". It is clear what it is, but it contains a certain amount of accurate information that allows us to draw certain conclusions.

Su-27SM belong to the 38th IAP, which is based at the Belbek airbase. That is, we are talking about an airfield in the rear, since Belbek is a suburb of Sevastopol, not Melitopol.

Accordingly, the Su-27SMs patrol the airspace over the peninsula in general and the Sevastopol base in particular. Which, in fact, is not surprising. Quite an acceptable role for such an aircraft.

According to the Zvezda TV channel, Su-27SMs provide top cover for attack aircraft and bombers, as well as combat helicopters. In addition, when patrolling the airspace, the tasks of intercepting small air targets (UAVs) are solved.

So, the picture is not of a total shortage of aircraft, but of the air defense of Crimea by the forces of aircraft, let's say, of the second line, which makes it possible to free up new aircraft to perform more important tasks in the NMD zone.

Judging by the reports of the Governor of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozzhaev, the Su-27s are coping with the assigned tasks. Reports of UAVs shot down by pilots of the regiment appear systematically, which allows us to conclude that in this role the Su-27 is quite fit for service. Given that the likelihood of Ukrainian UAVs penetrating Russian airspace over Crimea is a real threat, the need for constant patrols is clear and understandable.

Despite the attacks at the beginning of the NWO, the infrastructure apparently did not suffer losses, and therefore is used in full. And not modernized Su-27s are also used. Why? There is a certain meaning. To fly the resource of aircraft and write it off with a clear conscience, driving "dryers" over the Crimea, expecting that they will be replaced in accordance with the plans by single-seat Su-35S and double Su-30M2. At least some Su-30M2s have already arrived in Belbek and are being used for crew training.

It is quite obvious that the Su-27, whose range is more than 3 kilometers, can also be used in patrol overflights of the Black Sea. And not just “maybe”, but it is involved. In September of this year, it was the Su-27 that “missed” a missile during the incident with the RC-135W “Rivet Joint” electronic surveillance aircraft of the Royal Air Force of Great Britain over the Black Sea.

The situation did not become tense, the missile, which seemed to have started "accidentally" did not hit the British aircraft, both sides agreed to consider the incident settled, but since then RAF RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft have been accompanied by Typhoon fighters in flights over the Black Sea. Just in case again.

If you delve into history, you can find many cases of contacts between the Su-27 and representatives of the NATO bloc. The life of the aircraft was long and eventful, it must be admitted. However, today the Su-27 is gradually leaving the arena, because that's it, it's simply not worth delaying longer - the aircraft becomes obsolete much faster than design work is underway to modernize it.

Here it is worth mentioning the modernization of the Su-27. The Su-27 service life renewal program in the form of Su-27SM modernization was launched in 2003, the program primarily affected the Su-27, the production of which began back in 1982. Twenty-year-old aircraft received a new weapon control system SUV-VESH, which additionally ensures the use of X-31A anti-ship missiles.

The equipment of the aircraft was radically changed, the RLPK-27VESH radar sighting system, the OEPS-27MK optical-electronic sighting system, the SILS-27ME windshield display system and the state identification interrogator. RLPK-27VESH is a further development of the RLPK-27E radar sighting system of the Su-27SK aircraft, supplemented by an air-to-surface channel. Plus a new optical-location station OLS-27MK and a new helmet-mounted target designation system "Sura-K".

The work is so large-scale that the language does not turn to be called modernization. At the output, a practically new aircraft, with very impressive capabilities at that time. For 2002, it's just a job well done.

Next was the modernization of the Su-27SM2 ​​and Su-27SM3. The batches of these aircraft were frankly small, they can even be called a study in the field for further possible upgrades. The weapon control system was improved by an order of magnitude, AL-31F-M1 engines were installed, the airframe design was strengthened, which made it possible to place additional weapon attachment points.

Importers have noticed that analog gauges have begun to give way to multifunctional displays and data entry panels.


This is also a definite improvement, but in general, what was added to the combat system from the Su-30MK2 modification (produced for China), in my opinion, was more significant. We improved the capabilities of the sighting system, both from the side of radar and from the side of electro-optics. Infrared search and target tracking in IR mode. A more powerful on-board computer that calculates all these processes.

In general, the improvements that gradually entered the Su-27 and remained in it made it possible to significantly improve the combat capabilities of the aircraft. In addition to the R-27 and R-73, the aircraft was able to take on board (respectively, use) the X-31A anti-ship, X-29 anti-radar (L, T, TD), as well as laser-guided bombs. In addition, a new air-to-air missile with an active radar seeker, R-27, was introduced into the Su-77 range. This further strengthened the capabilities of the Su-27, as it was originally designed to work as an air defense fighter.


By the way, Ukrainian pilots in their interviews have repeatedly said that the R-77-1 gives Russian pilots advantages that do not cause positive emotions in the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In addition, improvements have also affected the electronic filling of the aircraft. The navigation system received a new model of the GPS receiver, the Bereza radar warning indicator was replaced with a more modern Pastel, and the modules of the Sorption electronic warfare complex were replaced with Khibiny.

In general, the path from the Su-27 to the Su-27SM was quite decent in terms of replacements and upgrades.

When the SVO began, in addition to the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 were deployed in Crimea. More modern and efficient aircraft took over the priority tasks, and the Su-27 was left with the issues of patrolling and direct defense of the Crimean airspace.

Everything looks quite logical: newer aircraft, which have a better chance of performing combat missions in the face of enemy opposition, are engaged in priority tasks, while older aircraft play secondary roles. This is normal, you must admit that sending the Su-27 to work on Ukrainian air defense systems would be simply stupid. If problems arise with more modern aircraft, then what about the Su-27, for which the task of getting away from the same Buk is simply impossible?

Some Western and Ukrainian (especially) media are trying to convince readers that the work of the Su-27 in the rear should be considered solely in the context of the poor performance of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which proved incapable of gaining air superiority.

It is worth agreeing that, in the light of recent events in Belgorod, confidence in the Aerospace Forces and Air Defense (which is now part of the Aerospace Forces) continues to decline, since attacks on old Russian territory are already becoming commonplace. Here one can blame attacks on strategic and long-range airfields by old Soviet unmanned aerial vehicles, and attacks on Belgorod with the help of long-destroyed Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - and there is a lot of truth in these accusations.

Increased attention to the problems of Russian air defense is a completely normal thing. Russian citizens have the right to be protected from any encroachment on their lives. And the Russian army is OBLIGED to provide the full range of protection measures, and not just what is possible at the moment.

Speaking about our today's object of consideration, how the Su-27 modern air combat aircraft is so outdated that we simply don’t want to talk about it. It really is time for him to a well-deserved historical pedestal, because no upgrades can force out the relevance for this old car.


Cut into metal - yes, it will be wide, but not prudent. It’s easier to really use it to the end, in such secondary roles, although, what the hell are they, secondary ones, if Russian cities are under attack from the ground and air?

Another question is that we have not so many Su-27s of all modifications left, about a hundred aircraft. Of course, these are actually two regiments, but the question arises that, now, they will work out their resource and leave the stage. So, what is next? Believe that in Komsomolsk-on-Amur they will be able to fulfill an order for 76 Su-57 units? Not funny. They will not be able to, this is already clear, understandable and confirmed today.

Yes, and it makes no sense to throw expensive and untested aircraft from the Ukrainian meat grinder, even if it seems like the fifth generation. They are simply not needed there.

And, speaking of what will happen after the departure of the Su-27, we will say that there will be ... Su-27!

In fact, the Su-30, and the Su-35, and even the Su-34 - all of them are essentially nothing more than the Su-27. 45 years ago, a prototype of a simply unique aircraft was launched into the air, in which so much was laid that the descendants continue to be quite relevant and modern.

Moreover, we have yet another upgrade of the Su-35, and this will be the subject of material in the very near future in the “Armaments” section, because this upgrade, if everything goes as planned, will be able to provide the Su-35 with a rather impressive future. And what will happen at the end is a separate question altogether.

The designers, who laid such a huge potential for development in the Su-27, have created a masterpiece. More than 40 years of operation and the models that make up the shock core of the Russian Aerospace Forces only confirm this. And with the departure from the scene of the Su-27 itself, nothing ends. And even more so, one should not consider the transfer of the aircraft to service in the rear as something that shakes the foundations of the Aerospace Forces. Everything is not so bad, although it would be better.

Just really, it's time to change the Su-27 to newer models. The whole question is how to do it.
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  1. +12
    21 December 2022 05: 33
    The designers, who laid such a huge potential for development in the Su-27, created a masterpiece
    And the plane is beautiful! good
  2. +5
    21 December 2022 06: 06
    A separate topic is what will happen to the Su-33, which does not even reach 27CM.
    1. +6
      21 December 2022 07: 52
      Falling from the deck of Kuznetsov ... In general, a sore subject with these floating airfields. Sorry for answering so harshly. You are aware of the problem.
    2. +6
      21 December 2022 10: 45
      Quote: Pavel57
      A separate topic is what will happen to the Su-33, which does not even reach 27CM.

      Most likely, they will write it off due to wear and tear and replace it with the MiG-29KR.
      There will definitely not be new ones - the base machine has not been produced for a long time, and making some kind of Su-35K in the amount of 20 sides is long and expensive. Especially when there is a live alternative from a competing company.
      1. -2
        21 December 2022 12: 18
        It is necessary to look at the remaining resource. Rusks are ready to modernize the Su-33.
      2. +3
        21 December 2022 17: 42
        There is no alternative to them - they will continue to serve.
        And the MiG-29K has not been produced for 6 years - the company is on its side.
        There are no others and will not be for Kuznetsov.
        Only what is, maybe there will be Ka-52K and UAVs.
      3. +2
        21 December 2022 19: 24
        alexey, why not release a limited MiG-35 adapted for a blacksmith
      4. 0
        27 February 2023 13: 51
        Quote: Alexey RA
        making some kind of Su-35K in the amount of 20 sides is long and expensive.

        If at all possible.
        I remind you the mass of an empty Su-27 is 16,3 tons, seaming in the Su-33 added 3,3 tons to 19600
        The weight of the empty Su-35 is 18,4 tons. A similar seaming will add at least the same 3,3 tons to it, up to 21,7 tons. And most likely more.
        At Kuznetsov, finishers were already torn, and I suspect it was precisely from the fact that “dry” sit on it. You can calculate what load the finisher cables must withstand when a 22-ton machine stops at a speed of ~ 250 km.h. But I think it's pointless. For the shtatovtsy, even Hokai is easier ...
        Dry ones are too heavy for Kuzi.
    3. -1
      22 December 2022 09: 15
      Retirement and section for metal and replacement with the MiG29kr
    4. +1
      22 December 2022 15: 20
      Given the pace of repair of the Kuznetsov, not only will the Su-33s turn into trash, but there will still be no one to fly. Deck pilots, and so, the cat cried, they are not getting younger, the "deck" is under repair, which means they have not had deck flight practice for years, etc.
      And when this long-term repair of the only aircraft carrier is completed, it will turn out that there is no one and nothing to fly with ...
  3. 0
    21 December 2022 06: 18
    Roman, thanks for the great review. It’s a pity, of course, when the technology becomes obsolete, but nothing can be done.
  4. -3
    21 December 2022 07: 27
    Something is doubtful that there is no NVU on drying.
  5. +22
    21 December 2022 07: 44
    Su-27 leaves, but what comes? A miserable couple of hundreds of Su-30s and Su-35s do not solve the problems of qualitative and, most importantly, quantitative development of the Air Force, for such a country there are stupidly few of them (76 Su57 by the 30th year.? .. - where is my comrade Mauser!)
    A good solution would be to urgently put into service an aircraft of the Su-75 type (or similar) and replicate up to 1000 copies to fill the "voids".
    But .. - "everything is going according to plan ..."
    1. -11
      21 December 2022 07: 51
      Quote: mark1
      Su-27 leaves, but what comes? A miserable couple of hundreds of Su-30s and Su-35s do not solve the problems of qualitative and, most importantly, quantitative development of the Air Force, for such a country there are stupidly few of them (76 Su57 by the 30th year.? .. - where is my comrade Mauser!)
      A good solution would be to urgently put into service an aircraft of the Su-75 type (or similar) and replicate up to 1000 copies to fill the "voids".
      But .. - "everything is going according to plan ..."

      I think so, we urgently need to raise the drawings of our best WWII fighters from the archive, figure out which ones we can urgently urgently set up production on an industrial scale, and saturate at least the European part of Russia with them to combat the arrivals of all kinds of different shahid mopeds good and don’t wait until the thunder breaks out - and then get baptized ... we opened Pandora’s box ourselves ... we must be ready to meet the answer ...
      1. +7
        21 December 2022 08: 48
        Exactly, and do not forget to remove the T34 from the monuments, they will also come in handy ...
      2. -5
        21 December 2022 13: 57
        Well, yes, IL - 2 to do. Armored well, and the speed is greater than that of a helicopter, pilot training is cheap, and cheap itself
        1. +4
          21 December 2022 23: 21
          Another would be to find such pilots who fought on them during the Second World War.
      3. -1
        22 December 2022 00: 56
        I think so, we urgently need to raise the drawings of our best fighters from the Second World War from the archive, figure out which we can urgently quickly launch production on an industrial scale
        What's the point of starting from scratch? We take conditional Yak-55 or Su-26, attach a couple of 12.7mm machine guns to them, and go ahead, drive UAVs.
        1. 0
          22 December 2022 09: 31
          What for? We put a machine gun on each An-2 in the doorway, and during passenger flights, at the same time, they will patrol the sky
      4. +5
        22 December 2022 09: 25
        Quote Corona without virus
        I think so, we urgently need to raise the drawings of our best WWII fighters from the archive, figure out which ones we can urgently urgently set up production on an industrial scale, and saturate at least the European part of Russia with them to combat the arrivals of all kinds of different shahid mopeds good and don't wait until the thunder breaks out - and then get baptized... we opened Pandora's box ourselves... we must be ready to meet the answer...

        The Yak-152 has a good aircraft, but there will be no radar.
        And so the option of installing the Yak-130 radar instead of the pilot and adaptation to combat UAVs was worked out.
      5. +1
        22 December 2022 09: 30
        And also to get PPSh and maxims from the storage bases - they probably still lie. Give a three-ruler to each reservist
        1. +2
          22 December 2022 11: 51
          Laughter, laughter, I had a chance to shoot both from PPSh and from Kalash. If the Kalash jumps when firing (even the muzzle compensator was made because of this), then the PPSh lies in the hands perfectly - took aim, and put the entire disk / horn into the target. Straight fun to shoot it
          1. +2
            22 December 2022 18: 52
            Curious, why downvoted? Afftar, show up! You definitely didn’t shoot from PPSh))
          2. +1
            23 December 2022 21: 16
            from PCA to the target the entire disk? Does the Kalash jump? So I beg you, don't make me laugh.
            Kalash up to 200 meters is just handsome! Especially 7,62. You just need to know how to use it))) Ah! and shoot to start))))
            PPSh in the hands is really like a glove, the return is minimal. But the whole disk at the target?))))))))))))))))))))) Did they shoot from the PPSh?
            1. -1
              25 December 2022 18: 22
              Well, yes)) In the dash. Moreover, not in a queue, but single. Version, PPSh, apparently civilian, made in China
      6. 0
        20 January 2023 20: 42
        against "mopeds" you need to make a separate product - cheaper than a helicopter in operation, having all-round afar, a weapon with a bunch of bullets (buckshot) storing lethal force for a kilometer and a half, speed from 250 to 600-650 km / h. Possibility, takeoff and landing at grassy area
    2. +6
      21 December 2022 19: 01
      (76 Su57 by the 30th year.?

      The states have already made 35 F-500s for themselves, 200 for the allies, and 2000 more are planned.
      As they say, feel the difference.
      1. +1
        22 December 2022 17: 42
        Quote: nickname7
        (76 Su57 by the 30th year.?

        The states have already made 35 F-500s for themselves, 200 for the allies, and 2000 more are planned.
        As they say, feel the difference.

        And therefore now they know how to replace this 35 laughing
      2. -1
        23 December 2022 21: 18
        Well, yes. And they also resumed the release of fu15 and fu16, because the entot 35th turned out to be full of g ....
    3. +6
      22 December 2022 09: 28
      mark1
      A good solution would be the urgent adoption of an aircraft such as the Su-75 (or similar) and replication of up to 1000 copies

      You are in vain ... In fact, there is neither the Su-75 nor "their kind". The layout that was shown a year ago at MAKS does not count. If at least a few flying prototypes had been made, the Western media would have reported this long ago (intelligence is working for them). There was only a beautiful presentation, it is not clear what (the exhibition copy immediately raised a lot of questions). Now, I think, in connection with the SVO, all projects "for the future" have been postponed indefinitely. Especially those that were primarily export-oriented
      1. 0
        22 December 2022 09: 57
        It’s not possible “in fact”, in fact the design is well thought out, and the concept is just interesting not for third countries, but, first of all, for us - cost / efficiency, open architecture, continuous modernization of both the existing and the fleet under construction is possible with relatively minimum costs and in relation to our capabilities at the moment. The shift to the right of construction, I personally attribute to the confirmation of the conspiracy theory (that's how paranoid I am),
        Such a "wunderwafer", if desired and with the effort applied, could be mass-produced (in large batches) already from the age of 26.
        1. +1
          22 December 2022 10: 28
          mark1
          You yourself, quite rightly, called the Su-72 a "wunderwaffle". According to the dubious aerodynamics and low survivability of the "horse", only the lazy did not walk. The plane does not have a built-in gun! (why???).
          It is much easier for our industry to restore the production of the MiG-29, which would hardly have been higher in price than the incomprehensible pepelats, and definitely better in combat qualities. Moreover, there is all the documentation, equipment for production and experienced specialists. "Board" could be modernized to the modern level.
          Your "horse" needs to be brought to mind for many years, then spend tons of money and resources on launching into production, etc. Just don’t talk about wings, a lantern, etc. common with the Su-57. Su-57, too, in fact, has not yet become a serial aircraft. And if the Su-75 reached the series, it could change unrecognizably: the plane is not a Lego constructor.
          It’s funny to read about the 26th year - look how long the F-15, F-16 went to the conveyor, and the same MiG-29s with the Su-27
          1. 0
            22 December 2022 14: 02
            Quote: futurohunter
            called the Su-72 "wunderwaffle".

            Yes, in general, I didn’t call it names, but affectionately, with a great deal of respect ...))
            Well, everything else for me is a squeeze from the collective mind on the forums, not convincing, just one of the points of view.
            1. +3
              22 December 2022 18: 42
              mark1
              When I saw him live, he raised a lot of questions in me. No modern aircraft has ever raised so many questions for me (well, except maybe the Chinese J-20). And I have a certain relationship with aviation.
              I wrote about the gun. Very strange tailless aerodynamic design. Strange control surfaces. One engine. Characteristics were declared that definitely cannot be achieved on this aircraft. According to my impressions, the characteristics of the aircraft, if made, will be worse than those of the F-35. The exhibit itself made an impression on a hastily made layout. Didn't get any respect, that's for sure. Rather, some kind of, incomprehensibly to whom, calculated advertising. Moreover, pepelats was advertised as an export
    4. -2
      22 December 2022 16: 10
      Perhaps the MO heard prayers and decided to create 3 new air divisions. Which will include 8 bombers and 1 fighter regiment.
      Although my personal opinion is that bombers are needed today, tomorrow there will be no one to fight in the air. This is the way out in my opinion. We need fighters + hanging containers to work on the ground.
    5. 0
      22 December 2022 23: 17
      It is necessary to change the very system for adopting new weapons, in an alliance under the Ministry of Defense they created technical specifications with specific performance characteristics of the future model, on a competitive basis, a commission that will consider and accept or reject concepts, and only after that a decision was already made, and now everything is the opposite, a lot " concerns", offices and design bureaus, and everyone is trying to sell something of their own, as an example, the Navy, how many mutually exclusive projects have come out, the situation is similar with the VKS, and the same with everything else ...
    6. 0
      27 February 2023 14: 16
      Quote: mark1
      Su-27 leaves, but what comes? A miserable couple of hundreds of Su-30s and Su-35s do not solve the problems of qualitative and, most importantly, quantitative development of the Air Force, for such a country there are stupidly few of them (76 Su57 by the 30th year.? .. - where is my comrade Mauser!)

      Su-27 never had a lot. Over the years of production of all modifications and varieties, about 800 aircraft were produced, including 95 Su-27s assembled in China. They've been making them since 1981. That is, even if we accept that they were made only in the Soviet period, production did not exceed 70 cars per year. In real life, of course, there are fewer wives. Now there are about 370 vehicles in the RF Armed Forces. I don't know if it was discontinued or not and when? But let 20 years of production for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. That's 18 cars a year on average.

      Do you understand what I mean? As usual, I'm talking about the fact that it is absolutely, completely impossible to form an Air Force on the basis of "dry" ones. Too complicated, too expensive. Even the USSR could not. In general, no one can form a full-fledged air force based on heavy fighters. Even the US can't.
      Therefore, until Pogosyanism is eliminated, as a delusional desire to unify the Air Force fleet based on heavy fighters, there will be no quantitative development of the Air Force. Especially if the fourth member of the Sukhoi zoo, the Su-57, is involved in this matter.
  6. +12
    21 December 2022 07: 59
    In fact, the Su-30, and the Su-35, and even the Su-34 - all of them are essentially nothing more than the Su-27. 45 years ago, a prototype of a simply unique aircraft was launched into the air, in which so much was laid that the descendants continue to be quite relevant and modern.
    Better not, about the sad. A little more than thirty years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, and during this time, the so-called "Defense-industrial complex of Russia" could not produce anything, not only its own, without a Soviet backlog, and, well, good too. They ruined their aviation industry - completely. There are almost no working personnel who have been trained for decades in the workplace, probably in the entire defense industry. And so, throughout the industry. They traded for nothing, everything they could, including weapons, the latest at that time. And now, with bulging eyes, they are surprised how the West and the United States have moved forward with the latest weapons technology. Yes, they have advanced by studying everything that they sold right and left, to everyone. That's how it is. Nothing good can be done by the current system. What can we take from it, if in the first half of 2022 the share of workers with higher education was 34,9 percent, which is equivalent to 25 million people. According to all the outfits, they should be ahead of the rest, according to scientific discoveries in any field. And we have the opposite. You can only hear .. lagged behind there, and there too. Give money to buy technology. Yeah, over there with Iran, which has long been under sanctions. Wonders?! So, what about the 25 million graduates? But where...The number of officials in the Russian Federation at the moment is about 2 people.

    And it keeps growing. The state bureaucracy breeds. And mind you, everyone with higher, or even two educations. Yes, what to talk about, if students of the Moscow Aviation Institute (National Research University) (MAI), are famous only for KVN, they prepare clowns, what kind of planes are there.
    1. +5
      21 December 2022 14: 53
      What is there to complain about - how did we get to such a life. Overseas ghouls cheated us, and local rogues - freeloaders happily played along with them. And now they sit in the majority in the Duma and fool the electorate, raking up dividends for themselves. But in the case: It is necessary to achieve a majority of the Communist Party in the Duma and gradually, in an evolutionary way, begin to restore the People's State, without fanaticism. First of all - progressive personal income tax, as in China:
      Up to 1500 yuan (15 thousand rubles) per month - 3%
      From 1500 to 4500 (up to 45 thousand rubles) per month - 10%
      From 4500 to 9000 (up to 90 thousand rubles) per month - 20%
      From 9000 to 35000 (up to 350 thousand) per month - 25%
      From 35000 to 55000 (up to 550 thousand) - 30%
      From 55000 to 80000 (up to 800 thousand) - 35%
      More than 80000 (more than 800 thousand rubles per month) - 45%.
      This will significantly increase the budget, and then start restoring the public sector, increasing state funding for the defense industry. Then the retirement age will be restored to the previous, free higher education, the restoration of the engineering corps, and so on, little by little.
      1. +5
        21 December 2022 18: 06
        Quote: Sidor_Bodrov
        like in China:
        Up to 1500 yuan (15 thousand rubles) per month - 3%
        From 1500 to 4500 (up to 45 thousand rubles) per month - 10%
        From 4500 to 9000 (up to 90 thousand rubles) per month - 20%
        From 9000 to 35000 (up to 350 thousand) per month - 25%
        From 35000 to 55000 (up to 550 thousand) - 30%
        From 55000 to 80000 (up to 800 thousand) - 35%
        More than 80000 (more than 800 thousand rubles per month) - 45%.

        Any stepped scale of personal income tax is bullshit ...!!!
        What ... you can not use the usual linear function - otherwise:
        44999 rubles is 10%, and 45001 rubles is already 20%

        Brad-brad-brad.... fool fool fool
        1. 0
          22 December 2022 12: 09
          This "bullshit" takes place both in the European Union and in the United States. Although, I agree, everything is completely defective.
          1. +1
            24 December 2022 03: 01
            Quote: kartantirambler.ru
            This "bullshit" takes place both in the European Union and in the United States. ...

            The fact that this is the case in these countries, it still remains "bullshit" ...

            Well, ... okay, piecewise linear - if they want a different level of personal income tax increase in different areas of wages ...
            1. 0
              26 December 2022 10: 46
              So, you can also have a linear relationship, approximated to the Chinese scale.
      2. 0
        22 December 2022 10: 06
        Sidor_Bodrov
        progressive personal income tax, as in China

        It is immediately clear that you, apparently, have a very small salary. Or there is none at all (student living at the expense of parents?). For you considered 45-90 K a big patch (apparently, you don’t get that much, and are very offended by this), that you propose to take the 5th part from it. Let it be known to you that for large cities, such as Moscow, St. Petersburg or Yekaterinburg, this is the level of survival. 45K - 20% \u36d 20K - purely to eat and pay a communal apartment (if the family and children). Even clothes and shoes will need to be bought on credit. The car is generally only a XNUMX-year-old wreck, and that one is on credit. There is no money left for children. Housing is not available (neither mortgage nor rent) - only live with parents.
        Between 90K and 350K the gap is generally huge. A person who receives, say, 100K in his hands clean, can already afford to pay for the education of his children. 200-350K - can already save up for a car and can go on vacation. 350K, even if you subtract 20% (70K) - this is already in Russia the standard of living is already significantly above average.
        I wish the author himself to pay such taxes (well, or give to charity according to his own scale).
        It is a pity that I can only put one minus
        1. +3
          22 December 2022 12: 31
          Your assumptions are "do not sew the mare's tail." I am not offended by anything and I am satisfied with my income. The current personal income tax scale of China is given, and it is not the coolest. In the US, the tax on excess income is 35%, and in the EU there is also 75%. I'm just annoyed only by our microscopic State Budget and, accordingly, the low possibilities of state financing of the economy and the military-industrial complex, in particular.
          1. 0
            22 December 2022 18: 49
            You may be annoyed with the budget, but then again, you are little aware that the lion's share of it goes to pay the growing army of officials in vain. On your scale from 90K (I know, I was there myself). At current Russian prices, income below 90K is low. Average wealth is achieved with an income of 90-200K. Income of more than 500K per month can be considered excess income.
            And in order to increase the budget, it is necessary to reduce the salaries of deputies and state employees, to force the oligarchs and mining states and big business to fork out. And you propose to make the poor even poorer, and the rich richer.
            By the way, you did not answer: do you agree to pay according to your scale?
            PS. The Chinese population can afford to pay such taxes. Russian - in the truest sense of the word, put your teeth on the shelf. And officials in China steal orders of magnitude less
            1. +1
              23 December 2022 12: 18
              The Chinese scale is not a dogma and is given as an example. Nevertheless, the salaries of our officials are considerable, and according to a progressive scale, their personal income tax will be returned to the budget. But, of course, the salaries of deputies should ideally be reduced, as well as their number. I don’t agree about state employees - their salaries for the most part are small (I myself work in a budget office) and I agree to pay according to the given scale. By the way, the oligarchs and big business will be forced to "fork out" under this scale. The same Sechin, instead of 60 million a month, will receive only about 35 million, and the rest will be unfastened to the budget. And if we break down all the employees by income into groups, then, in my opinion, 80% will fall into the category - up to 45K. So, I think the rich will become poorer, the poor - richer.
              Ps I recommend - https://dzen.ru/video/watch/63a334c05ead49382708dc7b Uncensored Glazyev: About the special operation, the collapse of the ruble, the venality of the elites
          2. +2
            22 December 2022 20: 14
            Quote: kartantirambler.ru
            Your assumptions are "do not sew the mare's tail." I am not offended by anything and I am satisfied with my income. The current personal income tax scale of China is given, and it is not the coolest. In the US, the tax on excess income is 35%, and in the EU there is also 75%. I'm just annoyed only by our microscopic State Budget and, accordingly, the low possibilities of state financing of the economy and the military-industrial complex, in particular.

            Plus the state monopoly on alcohol
            If I remember correctly in the USSR in the state budget, this is 20% of the revenue.
            There is a lot of money in Russia, but not in those pockets.
            The richest country. No wonder many sharpen their teeth on our natural resources.
            But as the chief said, there will be no revision of privatization.
      3. 0
        23 December 2022 21: 26
        it has already been passed. do you remember how it ended?
      4. 0
        23 December 2022 21: 35
        You have a session soon. Go get ready. As for personal income tax, in order for your idea to work,
        you need to 50 do not take it in principle.
        And then the taxable salary is measured in minimum wages, for example.
    2. +6
      21 December 2022 23: 16
      in the first half of 2022, the proportion of workers with a tertiary education was 34,9 percent, equivalent to 25 million people.

      But of that 34,9%, probably 70% are lawyers, financiers and sales managers! And the remaining 30% are doctors, and teachers, and many more. And unfortunately the number of aviation engineers (and just engineers for industry) is at the level of statistical error.
      1. +4
        22 December 2022 07: 17
        Quote: bonifacius
        But of that 34,9%, probably 70% are lawyers, financiers and sales managers! And the remaining 30% are doctors, and teachers, and many more. And unfortunately the number of aviation engineers (and just engineers for industry) is at the level of statistical error.

        In the USSR, by the beginning of 1991 there were 289,2 million people. In 1989, 11 percent of the population had a higher education, and there were successes in medicine, by the way, Soviet citizens did not need any medical policies. An adult could receive qualified medical care in any locality of the USSR. There were scientific achievements, I will not enumerate them. Now in the Russian Federation more than 31 percent of the population aged 25 to 65 have graduated from a university, and among citizens aged 25-35 more than 41 percent of citizens have higher education. For comparison, in Italy, 19,5 percent of the population aged 25-65 have higher education, 25 percent of the population aged 35-27,8, in Germany 28,5 and 32,5 percent, respectively, in France - 22,5 and 46,6 percent in the same age groups. Where are our successes in science? Maybe in medicine? Raised the defense? And then ... "Unfortunately, and this is what experts, scientists and officials say, the level of professional training of young specialists does not fully meet the requirements and state standards of the "tower" Source: https://yakapitalist.ru/finansy/rossiyan-vysshim -education." Why are there so many idiots? But officials, with higher education, through the roof. In the USSR, 1 official was engaged in 136 people, and already in the Russian Federation, 25 people per 1 official.! With a population somewhere between 145-146 million people. They bred bureaucrats - it’s unmeasured. Yes, there will be no achievements, mediocrity will not be allowed.
        1. +4
          22 December 2022 09: 39
          Why are there so many idiots? But officials, with higher education, through the roof. In the USSR, 1 official was engaged in 136 people, and already in the Russian Federation, 25 people per 1 official.! With a population somewhere between 145-146 million people. They bred bureaucrats - it’s unmeasured. Yes, there will be no achievements, mediocrity will not be allowed.

          from your officials arithmetic in R.F. 5,8 miles of people, and in the USSR there were 2,2 million officials.
          Here I am in 2008 was a civil servant mediocrity as you say. So he worked as an inspector at the Ministry of Natural Resources of the Russian Federation. there were 3,5 thousand of us throughout Russia who were engaged in monitoring forest plantations and accurately counting forest reserves on the ground, identifying local violations and abuses. Medvedev decided to arrange a reform to cut officials and lowered the directive. The largest percentage of cuts should have affected Trutnev’s department in Moscow, no one in the ministry was cut, but in the regions everyone was fired, part of the function was assigned to the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The result of the area of ​​fires only increases from year to year because professionals, not amateurs, should do their job.
          1. 0
            22 December 2022 18: 45
            Quote: insafufa
            from your officials arithmetic in R.F. 5,8 million people, and in the USSR there were 2,2 million officials

            Not my arithmetic, a statement of facts based on Rosstat data.
            Quote: insafufa
            engaged in monitoring of forest plantations and accurate counting of forest stocks on the ground identifying violations on the ground and abuses

            Now, the barbaric deforestation, at least in the European part of the Russian Federation, has stalled, and then thanks to the adopted laws banning the export of round timber to Scandinavia and the EU. Otherwise, everything was cut down in the bud, after us even a flood.
            Quote: insafufa
            detection of violations on the ground and abuses

            The prosecutor's office and the Investigative Committee should be involved, since the forest is an important strategic material.
            1. +1
              23 December 2022 08: 47
              Quote: Unknown
              The prosecutor's office and the Investigative Committee should be involved, since the forest is an important strategic material.
              The prosecutor's office initiated cases on the basis of our expert opinion. In order to initiate a case, a basis is needed, in order for a basis to appear, an expert opinion is needed, that under the guise of a sanitary felling, a mine was going on with the choice of liquidity and leaving non-liquidity. This was done by inspectors at the ministries, since we had the entire database and statistical information about the planned activities and the volume and place of their implementation. The tenants scribbled at us every week that we were abusing our position. And we just forced them to do their work efficiently and without violations, as established in the regulations.
    3. -1
      22 December 2022 09: 27
      everything is gone wink laughing
  7. +7
    21 December 2022 08: 10
    It would be interesting for me to see two topics on the forum in the future. The author might think...
    1) Balloons with OELS and air control radar;
    2) long-duty UAV with OELS and air control radar.
    The topic touches on much more than Sukhoi's pension. When will we start developing two directions? Who else will fight the UAV and Kamikaze? What other fighters? For what? How much does an hour on the 27th cost? It will be ridiculous if they also work with the S-300 family for any barrage. I hope our minds from the General Staff will not think of it. As measures to protect Sevastopol ... Well, we don’t have heavy UAVs for such functions. But balloons do that ... And airships. Where are they? Why are there blind people in our ministry?
    1. +3
      21 December 2022 08: 51
      There are airships in the US and NATO? Here is the answer, you don’t need to produce unparalleled junk, you need to, like S.P. Korolev, first learn to copy something normal
      1. +7
        21 December 2022 10: 48
        Quote: Vladimir80
        There are airships in the US and NATO?

        The United States and NATO have serial base vehicles for AWACS aircraft and experience in regularly updating their filling.
        It seems to be easier for us to do Kirov reporting! with radar than to bring the A-100 to the series.
      2. 0
        21 December 2022 13: 55
        I don’t know how it is now, but in the mid-10s, three airship projects were developed in the USA. They don’t know about two, but with one they got something for a billion money, but it didn’t fly from them, as it turned out to be much harder than the original project
      3. -1
        21 December 2022 18: 37
        Do you like trailing in the tail of this star-striped mare? They buy up brains and ideas from all over the world, they borrow everything themselves. I do not argue, why not adopt something new and interesting, but why not create your own?
        And an airship in the form of a thick wing with a hybrid control system can be almost invisible and hang in the desired area for a very long time. And if it's cheap and...
        1. 0
          28 December 2022 15: 15
          USA is not a mare, it's a dirty, smelly pig.
  8. +10
    21 December 2022 09: 01
    Su-27, the range of which is more than 3 thousand kilometers

    The author measured widely, from the heart, without regret! :))
    1. +11
      21 December 2022 09: 30
      Yes, he and the X-29 suddenly became anti-radar ...

      In addition to R-27 and R-73, the aircraft was able to take on board (respectively - use) anti-ship X-31A, anti-radar X-29 (L, T, TD)

      Expert-"Dunno", in a word, regularly caught on this kind of mistakes.
    2. +4
      21 December 2022 10: 49
      Quote from solar
      The author measured widely, from the heart, without regret! :))

      And don't go back! smile
  9. +7
    21 December 2022 09: 09
    The plane is not bad, the best that was in the USSR, but, at one time, active PR played a bad joke - someone decided to leave only them in the Air Force / Aerospace Forces IA, in various modifications. Contrary to the mantras about unification, these are not cheap aircraft to operate. Then oddities began, in the form: PTBs are not needed, AFARs are not needed, UVT is needed with a resource of 500 hours (now apparently more) and so on. The result is obvious. But, a huge fighter can "show tricks" at an air show.
    1. +9
      21 December 2022 14: 15
      Quote: d4rkmesa
      we need UVT with a resource of 500 hours (now apparently more) and so on. The result is obvious. But, a huge fighter can "show tricks" at an air show.

      As the experience of the NWO has shown, super-maneuverability turned out to be needed a little more significantly than the dog's fifth leg. All the same, the Pindo-stantsy were right when they spoke. that the F-35 should not make beautiful loops, but should shoot from afar and dump it invisible.
      1. +2
        22 December 2022 10: 16
        Pantsuy
        As the experience of the NWO has shown, supermaneuverability turned out to be needed a little more significantly than the fifth leg of a dog

        You, apparently, do not know that our aviation industry in the late 90s and early 2000s survived only thanks to the Indo-Chinese order. But for them, this UVT has become almost a decisive factor. For little money, they received aircraft that surprised everyone at air shows much more than Western aircraft.
        About SVO. There, yes, the battles go on at long distances and UVT is not needed, as well as maneuverability to intercept enemy targets in general. But who knows how the hostilities will develop further, and whether they will go into a mass war with NATO. That's when it might come in handy. F-35 in a real batch will not help either invisibility or from afar. The aircraft was created for conditions when the US Air Force has no real opponents. Now the situation is very different. The Americans themselves scold him.
        Will fall in heaps like mosquitoes from a spiral
  10. +8
    21 December 2022 09: 22
    = Cut into metal - yes, it will be wide, but not prudent. It’s easier to really use it to the end, in such secondary roles, although, what the hell are they, secondary ones, if Russian cities are under attack from the ground and air? =
    Interesting girls dance. It turns out that Ukrainian pilots are bigger heroes than ours? After all, they fight on non-modernized SU-27s and strike at our cities, while our SU-27M2 and SU-27M3 are outdated (?) for striking at targets in the outskirts.
    As for the SU-27 and all its younger brothers, they cannot be equal in beauty in the world. As per my taste.
  11. +5
    21 December 2022 09: 35
    Quote from: GRAFIN_32
    1) Balloons with OELS and air control radar;


    Why balloons?
    We need airships-drones.
    Better - in the form of a "saucer". Place solar panels on a flexible polymer base on the upper surface. He rose above the clouds to the sun - he recharged the batteries for the operation of technical systems (electric motors, OES, target designation, communications). The autonomy resource is weeks and even months. 3-4 dozen such unmanned airships could effectively control the entire NVO zone, detecting potential targets in a timely manner and pointing strike systems at them (for example, by illuminating them with a laser).
    1. 0
      21 December 2022 09: 53
      of course, if we don’t know how to make drills, and the old “cat cried”, all that remains is to climb in a balloon with binoculars ...
      1. +2
        21 December 2022 13: 33
        And what about the balloon? Can't we see the difference between an airship and a balloon?
        How long can a DLRO aircraft be in the air continuously? Day? Two? Certainly not weeks. What is the cost of operating it? And the fact that DLRO aircraft are a priority target, are they easy to detect and shoot down? With an airship, it is more difficult, and it costs much less.
  12. +4
    21 December 2022 09: 40
    Speaking about our today's object of consideration, how the Su-27 modern air combat aircraft is so outdated that we simply don’t want to talk about it. It really is time for him to a well-deserved historical pedestal, because no upgrades can force out the relevance for this old car.


    Come on. Like the no less old F-15 and F-16 are still quite relevant and can be upgraded, but the Su-27 is hopelessly outdated.
    Flight characteristics - still quite. Change avionics and add new weapons, more modern SD.
    You might think that a potential adversary will completely switch to the 5th generation tomorrow ... the dough is stupidly not enough. So that "there" will be junk flying for a long time. Dreams and reality are very different.
    1. 0
      22 December 2022 09: 33
      so it has already passed ... although I agree with the further use of the glider.
      1. +3
        22 December 2022 09: 43
        Quote from splin44
        so it has already passed ... although I agree with the further use of the glider.


        Which country has switched completely to the 5th generation? USA? No matter how. All these "needles" and "falcons" will fly for another 20 years, at least. F-22 and F-35 will never completely replace them. Moreover, these prodigies are not very bright and shine in local conflicts. It can be seen that even the Pentagon is not very confident in their high performance characteristics and prefer to use proven machines.
        1. +2
          22 December 2022 10: 37
          The F-22 is no longer in production, the aircraft is very expensive to operate, and, apparently, they will be written off as their resource is depleted. F-15/16/18 will be produced and upgraded for a very long time, because these are "workhorses". Their predecessors - Phantoms - flew for a long time, and in some places they still fly. F-35, I think, will still gradually arrive. Ams themselves signed up for them. Despite the apparent failure of the aircraft, they have nowhere to go. Giant money has been pumped into the program (which needs to be "beaten off"), nothing new is foreseen, therefore, in the end, they will gradually replace the F-15/16/18 anyway. Moreover, neither the United States nor NATO are going to fight directly with Russia, and for local wars the F-35 will do just fine. By the way, the Jews are quite at war with them, but they protect them in every possible way (apparently, there was an instruction from the "elder brother" not to lose face). In particular, they avoided contact with Russian aircraft in the sky of Syria in every possible way.
  13. +2
    21 December 2022 10: 41
    Su-27SM belong to the 38th IAP, which is based at the Belbek air base.

    According to airforce.ru, the 27th IAP has already received its Su-28SM with mileage - he was given a squadron of 22 GIAP named swan cancer and pike.
    According to the airforce.ru forum in November 2014, the regiment had 12 Su-27P and Su-27SM aircraft, 3 Su-27UP aircraft, 2 Su-30M2
    Su-27SM is a squadron from the 22nd regiment in Central Corner.
    © eagle_rost
    The most interesting thing is that back in 2016 it was planned to remove all SM from the regiment by 2020:
    The 2014th Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 38th Mixed Aviation Division of the 27th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Southern Military District, formed in the summer of 4, is deployed at the Belbek airfield. The regiment, according to known information, has 31 aircraft - 12 Su-27SM, 12 Su-27, four Su-27UB and three Su-30M2. It is reported that by 2020 it is planned to completely re-equip the regiment with 24 modernized Su-27SM3 fighters and six Su-30M2.
    © bmpd
    1. +2
      21 December 2022 12: 31
      Quote: Alexey RA
      28th IAP

      38th Iap, of course. mea culpa.
  14. +5
    21 December 2022 12: 43
    The navigation system received a new model of the GPS receiver

    What is that supposed to mean? GPS is owned by the US "government", the Pentagon. And the size of the navigation error for the consumer is determined by the Pentagon.
  15. +1
    21 December 2022 13: 29
    Well, by the way, a piston aircraft for combating UAVs is a good solution, modern weapons and engines allow, and even cheaper than a reagent for these tasks.
    1. -2
      21 December 2022 14: 19
      Quote: evgen1221
      Well, by the way, a piston aircraft for fighting UAVs is a good solution, modern weapons and engines allow, and even cheaper than a reagent for these tasks

      Why not adapt some kind of training or sports Yak for these purposes? Cheap and cheerful.
      1. -1
        21 December 2022 14: 56
        In addition, cadets can be trained for combat work in the light version, and the country will benefit from both experience and force in front of the girls.
    2. 0
      22 December 2022 00: 49
      Quote: evgen1221
      Well, by the way, a piston aircraft for combating UAVs is a good solution, modern weapons and engines allow, and even cheaper than a reagent for these tasks.

      How did you intend to shoot down these UAVs with piston aircraft?
      1. 0
        22 December 2022 05: 24
        These are definitely not massive and not cheap, there are other ways for them, we are talking about mopeds, bayraktars and others like them.
        1. +1
          22 December 2022 09: 39
          This is definitely a massive and cheap unmanned fighter that will win air superiority in the wars of the end of this decade. They will destroy everything flying, fantasy with manned propeller-driven aircraft will only bring the loss of a bunch of human lives.
          Bayraktars are armed with V-V missiles from MANPADS. Who will be the hunter and who will be the victim in your fantasy is still a very big question.
          1. 0
            22 December 2022 10: 13
            The question is when and in what fantasy will these pipelacs become massive and cheaper than a piston with a machine gun? And here and now there are shakhidolets and other slow but extremely cheap UAVs and the piston copes with it with a bang, by the way, they also learned how to fasten missiles to it a long time ago.
  16. -1
    21 December 2022 13: 51
    For me, the most beautiful fighter!
  17. 0
    21 December 2022 17: 46
    The later Su-27P series, produced since about 27, went under modernization in the Su-1990SM.
    Those early modifications with buggy avionics that have been made since 1982 are long gone.
    They were put out of action by various problems and lack of money back in the 90s.
    1. 0
      21 December 2022 21: 59
      In 1982, the Su-27 was still an experimental aircraft, its tests were in full swing. What modifications could he have at that time, and even related to the avionics, if this very avionics, in fact, did not exist in full yet ???
      1. +2
        22 December 2022 00: 08
        Until about 1988, there was only one modification - the Su-27S for the Air Force.
        Later, a modification of the Su-27P for air defense came out with stripped-down weapons - they only left it in-in.
        Sparky Su-27UB was put into production at KnaaPO around 1985-86, but they began to be mass-produced in Irkutsk from 1987 to 1992.
        1. +2
          22 December 2022 10: 09
          Until around 1988
          It was not about the "end" date, but about the "beginning" date, here is your text:
          Those early modifications with buggy avionics that have been done since 1982 are long gone
          . In 1982, the aircraft was tested, and there are no modifications in 82 !!! The first production aircraft went into service in 1985, and they were manufactured in the summer of 1984, and as for some kind of "buggy", it's all on your conscience.
  18. 0
    21 December 2022 18: 56
    You can revive all sorts of PPs like Growler and transfer the Su27 there
  19. +1
    21 December 2022 19: 14
    Carried away by the planes about the bombs must not be forgotten. We need high-precision planning bombs that are dropped from the stratosphere beyond the reach of the stinger at a distance of 50-80 km.
  20. 0
    21 December 2022 22: 59
    What is the conclusion? That it's time to write off forty-year-old planes? It's time.
    Although, of course, they would still have to work as bombers, but this is a question of pilots.
  21. +4
    22 December 2022 00: 23
    Well, at least some kind of replacement for the SU-27 is expected. But I don’t see any new developments to replace the SU-25 ...
    1. 0
      26 December 2022 20: 30
      Because it is not needed. The Su-25 is a product of its time, then the realities were completely different, the concept of an attack aircraft has already become obsolete. Why risk a pilot and a car when you can throw a KAB 30 km away? For such purposes, any modern MFI is adapted.
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  23. +2
    22 December 2022 09: 16
    This time Roman - respect! Pleasantly surprised by a good and sensible article.
    What can be added. Good planes usually fly for a long time. Until the resource of the airframe is exhausted. During operation, they can undergo numerous upgrades. A good example is the MiG-21 and Phantom, which are still flying today.
    And this is in peacetime. In wartime, any technique is all the more valuable. The best goes to the front, and what is outdated guards the rear. Moreover, the Su-27. Even obsolete machines are formidable combat units. In addition to the tasks of protecting the rear, they do an excellent job of maintaining the flight skills of the pilots (just don't talk about glass cockpits and alarm clocks and a controlled thrust vector - the basic flight characteristics of the aircraft, as well as the main operations with the cockpit equipment, have not changed much)
  24. +2
    22 December 2022 09: 29
    I may not understand something, but some time ago the Americans announced another modernization of the old man f15, the number of f16 in the Air Force of not the most backward countries, the same USA is decent. And no one strongly reflects on the topic of their obsolescence, you know, they hang all kinds of avionics and means in the glider and on the glider. It will turn out like with tanks that have been cut down - they would be modernized, strengthened, but no longer.
    1. -1
      22 December 2022 10: 40
      splin44
      The fact is that the Ams now already understand that they greatly missed the F-35, and in all its characteristics (except for the notorious invisibility), it is inferior to the "classics". There is simply nowhere to go, money has been invested in the F-35, it is necessary to recapture them, so they will release them, bring them to mind, take them into service and sell them to the allies. Along the way, releasing and exploiting the "classics"
  25. +1
    22 December 2022 15: 07
    Quote: futurohunter
    when the US Air Force has no real opponents.

    And how real is the Russian Air Force now for the US Air Force?
  26. 0
    22 December 2022 16: 55
    Quote: Osipov9391
    There is no alternative to them - they will continue to serve.
    And the MiG-29K has not been produced for 6 years - the company is on its side.
    There are no others and will not be for Kuznetsov.

    Redeem the MiG-29K from the Indians.
  27. -2
    22 December 2022 20: 59
    I remembered a cartoon with a dog that, along with a gun, went to the bottom. The beaver says to him - you fool, throw the gun and come up. The dog answered - I can’t, money was given for the gun, and my life is free. It's the same story with airplanes. The USSR was not lucky that it left a lot of weapons. Although in theory it should have been replaced at least twenty years ago. Thieves left weapons for their own protection, slaves.
  28. +1
    23 December 2022 11: 10
    I finished reading this tactical vinaigrette about Belbek with Melitopol to = ...... that the Su-27, whose range is more than 3 thousand kilometers,... = once again I was convinced that the site has turned into an info dump for several years.
  29. 0
    23 December 2022 13: 45
    Quote: futurohunter
    Giant money has been pumped into the program (which needs to be "beaten off"), nothing new is foreseen, therefore, in the end, they will gradually replace the F-15/16/18 anyway.


    Questionable. So far, the F-35 is actually used as a front-line bomber or attack aircraft, for strikes against ground targets. There is no reason to believe that he will change his work profile in the future. And no one has ever proven its effectiveness as a fighter, the experience of air combat is zero.
    Most likely, the Yankees will nevertheless begin to develop another fighter to replace the outdated F-15, 16, 18 in the prospect of confronting the PRC Air Force.
    1. 0
      29 December 2022 10: 19
      So they are developing, the NGAD program, the prototype has already made the first sorties. In the future, it will replace the f-22/15.
  30. 0
    23 December 2022 22: 21
    I am sure that each VO should have:
    IAD of three regiments on the Su 35 and Su30 (where the thirtieth in the role of commander)
    BAA for three regiments on the Su 34
    EW/REW regiment on the Su-30.
  31. 0
    7 January 2023 10: 09
    Just really, it's time to change the Su-27 to newer models. The only question is how to do it?

    Answer to the author's question: Everyone knows that the Su-27 is the hero of many literary and musical works, films and computer games. The high-precision sight allowed and still allows to effectively carry out the tasks assigned to the crew. The Su-27 is a legendary aircraft, in particular, due to its ability to return to the air base even with significant damage. It is simply necessary that the plane flies every day, and all the recommendations for design bureaus are recorded in the notebooks of pilots and technicians.
  32. 0
    9 January 2023 16: 29
    It would be nice to have a modernization program for them a la F-16 Viper. Yes, but the airframe resource is not as large as that of the later Sukhoi Design Bureau aircraft, and most of the sides have already worked out it almost completely.
  33. 0
    2 February 2023 12: 16
    228 UAP in the early 90s, for example, was still armed with MiG21 aircraft. Maybe it makes sense to extend their operation, on the 27th, with appropriate preliminary measures, in the training regiments? The need for flight personnel is growing, maybe the UAC will be revived again, by the way, they will have such materiel.
  34. 0
    2 February 2023 16: 55
    The MiG 21 is still flying in the world, so the Su27 is still flying and flying. Carry out modernization and there will still be nothing to the plane.
  35. Eug
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    11 February 2023 21: 15
    New helmet-mounted system Sura-K? I wonder why they called it that? I know the Sura river - in Ukraine ... given that the GPPR for R-40 missiles was called "Trubezh" - and there is such a river in the Kyiv region - it's very interesting - either the system is not new (perhaps modernized), or someone I was mistaken ... by the way, the first helmets for the Su-27 and MiG-29 were made by the Kiev software named after. Artem..
  36. Eug
    0
    11 February 2023 21: 26
    I was wrong ... there is such a river in Russia. I admit.
  37. +1
    21 February 2023 20: 34
    SU-27 Good aircraft. The Americans F-15 and F-18 are even older and nothing else is flying and is not written off in circulation. He would have to change the engine, install a radar from afar and create the opportunity to use long-range missiles R-77 and R-37M. then he would have served the country.
  38. 0
    26 February 2023 09: 06
    Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
    Well, yes, IL - 2 to do. Armored well, and the speed is greater than that of a helicopter, pilot training is cheap, and cheap itself

    About booking and the general splendor of the IL-2, do not take the propagandistic myths for granted. Its advantages are relative cheapness due to one motor and ease of development, but they had huge losses
  39. 0
    3 March 2023 13: 46
    Just really, it's time to change the Su-27 to newer models. The whole question is how to do it.

    Let's turn to Deripaska and Rotenberg, they will sort everything out ...
    Oligarch Oleg Deripaska delivered a speech at the Krasnoyarsk Economic Forum, declaring the inefficiency of state capitalism and the need to attract investors from friendly countries, without which the Russian economy would not survive.
    “If there are no foreign investors, there will be no money in the country. There are already serious problems with money in the country, so they started shaking the business like sticky, ”said Deripaska, obviously referring to reports of the Russian government’s proposal to large businessmen to make one-time contributions to cover the budget deficit in the conditions of the SVO.

    As long as such and others like them exist “to our delight”, we will not have shit, except for the Soviet legacy ... We have been confused by state interests and the whims of private structures. We are too deeply mired in a business that was a priori created on blood ...
    “They were given the opportunity to get this business - they did not build it. They were, at best, some kind of deputy minister in the USSR. Some were good managers, some were bandits, and some ended up in the positions of financiers in time during the privatization of those concerns and enterprises that they had collected into their own hands. They were just allowed to plunder the country. They took into their hands what was not theirs - they contrived, contrived, agreed among themselves. OK. But, guys, now the country can come kirdyk "

    Satanovsky warns.
    It remains to be asked - is it only in the Su-27 that all the troubles?
  40. 0
    13 March 2023 01: 18
    A stupid thought arose - the t62 is being modernized from storage, but what thread of the moment 21 was not lying around in the warehouses? A couple, three hundreds would have corrected air superiority. Or okay, in modern aircraft (and even UAVs :)) a complex and expensive filling, and in an instant 15 - a cannon engine and 2 wings - won’t they make a couple of hundred? - massive raid and no air defense
  41. DO
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    13 March 2023 19: 36
    they will work out the resource and leave the stage. So, what is next?

    Further, there are two options for upgrading 27x-old men into attack drones (by the way, this applies to decommissioned MiG-29s and others).
    The first, for more or less preserved gliders, is an aircraft for transporting autonomous kamikaze drones to the deep rear of the enemy - on autopilot, along a fixed route. Or managed, for the near rear of the enemy.
    The second, for completely worn-out gliders, is to upgrade them themselves into especially powerful kamikaze drones, and send them on their last flight to transport infrastructure facilities deep behind enemy lines (for example, inside a tunnel, or into a bridge made of steel structures).