Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?

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July 2021, in his speech at Rosvertol, Minister of Defense S.K. Shoigu said historical the words:

“Today, everyone - some with anger, some with approval - understand and state that the Russian army has more than 70%, or more precisely, almost 71% of modern weapons and equipment. This is the highest percentage among all the armies of the world, and in the strategic nuclear forces, the percentage of modern technology is 83%.

Not new - modern. Today, many people talk about this topic and many make mistakes. What is "new"? It's not used, is it? That is, an AK-74, manufactured in 1980, taken out of the factory grease - it is definitely new. And "Ural-4320", the same year of manufacture, removed from state storage with a range of 82 km - it is also new.

Dealt with one.

Now another question is whether these two types of weapons and equipment will be modern? It really is more difficult. Certainly not in 40 years. Although modernization work can somewhat modernize any fossil. Replacing the forearm, butt, installing a collimator sight - and here you are, you can fight.

It looks quite normal to itself, given that there are places where they still fight with Mosin rifles.

Let's go in order. It is difficult to play with numbers now, because the war. Equipment, of course, breaks down, and often even destroyed or abandoned. Therefore, it will be necessary to operate exclusively with pre-war figures relating to the Ground Forces. Here it must be understood that some air defense and electronic warfare systems belong to the aerospace forces and do not take part in this consideration.

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Tanks

According to our tank expert Alexei Kuznetsov, modern tanks in the Russian army, T-80BVM and T-90 / T-90M can be considered. A modern tank is indeed a very complex concept, and so, it is really complex, like a combat vehicle. And it is capable of performing many combat missions with high efficiency.

What can you dance from, comparing our tanks with imported counterparts? Well, first of all, this is the Merkava.

After the Israeli tank, it is quite possible to consider the French Leclerc and the South Korean Black Panther modern.

The rest is so-so. Modernized, pulled up to the level and so on.

What about quantity? Well, at the beginning of the SVO, the Russian army had 220 T-80BVMs and 117 T-90s of all modifications. With a total number of three and a half thousand tanks - about 10%.

Definitely a modern tank would be the T-14 "Armata", if it were. But since it does not exist, we will leave our concept behind the scenes. As well as all the upgrades of the T-72 and T-62.

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Artillery

Of the more than two thousand self-propelled howitzers, only the Msta-S of the second modernization, with digital fire control and navigation, can be considered modern. That is, 2S19M2, of which there were about 350 pieces. That is - 15% and no more.

All other self-propelled guns (“Peony”, “Malka”, “Hyacinth”, “Acacia”, “Carnation” and further down the list) cannot be considered modern, since the most important thing for artillery today is missing: the possibility of high-precision shooting. There are no modern guidance systems, no modern control systems, no guided and corrected munitions. It is impossible to call a modern gun mount, the only function of which is shooting at squares.

Yes, we have the same concept as in tanks - "Coalition-SV". Our answer to many foreign samples. But foreign samples are quietly participating in the war in Ukraine on the side of the enemy, but our answer is still at the stage of parade calculation.

Non-self-propelled artillery

Yes, we do not have an analogue of the American M777, but it cannot be said that the “three axes” are such a breakthrough thing. Together with Excalibur - yes, this is serious. However, the main problem of towed artillery today is frankly low mobility and security. In this regard, there is no modern towed artillery in the Russian army - and there is especially nothing to worry about, the future is clearly for self-propelled.

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MLRS

Rocket artillery systems do not shine here either, because most of them were made in the USSR fifty years ago.

What can be called really modern? 9K512 "Hurricane-1M" and 9K515 "Tornado-S". The total number of these complexes did not exceed 30 pieces in February. The rest - alas, the Soviet legacy, from which it is simply unrealistic to demand anything other than shooting at squares.

The small-caliber system "Tornado-G", of course, somewhat improves the statistics, but in the best scenario, the number of modern MLRS cannot exceed 20%.

Light armored vehicles

Unfortunately, here we can state the fact that all light armored infantry support vehicles in the Russian army are still from the USSR. BMP-1 BMP-2 BMP-3 BTR-80 BTR-82A fight.

If we take world analogues, then they (German "Lynx" and "Puma", Korean K-21, Swiss "Piranha") demonstrate an increase in size and thickening of armor. Of course, in our concepts we have the BMP "Kurganets", which is in no way inferior, but again - in concepts.

To say that Russian infantry support armored vehicles are modern today is somewhat imprudent for many reasons.

Anti-tank systems

Here, too, everything is not very beautiful. What can be said about modern anti-tank systems? First of all - "shot and forgot", that is, the operator after launch can quickly begin to change position, while maintaining the possibility of further participation in the battle.

None of the ATGMs (with a single exception) of the Russian army can be called modern, because the maximum that is available is the Kornet ATGM guided by a laser beam. This is not modern, this is the last century. The laser beam has long ceased to be something prohibitively difficult to suppress, and if we take the same Javelin for modernity, there are no questions for the Cornet.

The only pleasant exception is 9P157 Chrysanthemum. This anti-tank complex cannot, but must be considered modern, since dual control (laser + radio channel) allows you not to depend on the situation on the battlefield and weather conditions. Many (including myself) consider Chrysanthemum to be a very strong complex with great potential.

However, the presence of only 28 units in the Russian army (there are more in the Azerbaijani army!) Puts the number of modern anti-tank systems on the brink of statistical error.

“Bassoons”, “Mestizos”, “Cornets”, “Competitions”, no matter how they are pulled up to the level of modern anti-tank missiles, are still aliens from the last century with all the ensuing consequences. No matter how good anti-tank systems are for their time, which “tie” the operator to the target with a laser beam or wires, this definitely does not make them modern, and the soldiers are hostages of the situation.

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Army air defense

Just a few words about the radar. Everything is sad with the radar, since again the Soviet models, at best with a replaced element base. This applies to all stations, with the exception of Sky. But not everything is going smoothly with the "Sky" either, because there is a fairly decent number of "Nebo" radars from there, and there are "Sky-SV" and "Sky-SVU", which are just quite modern without reservations.

The question of quantity, but with this in any way, there is no data.

As for anti-aircraft missile systems, everything is simple here: we are sitting hard on the Soviet backlog, modernizing the old S-300, Buk and Tor systems. But here is just the case when modernization successfully allows you to "keep everyone in sight." You can argue for a very long time whether the S-300V4 air defense system is relevant - it is relevant, but I don’t even want to raise the question of obsolescence or inconsistency of the Buk-M3, because even in earlier upgrades of the Buk-M2 and Buk-M1-2 » the complex is deadly for any type of aircraft in its radius of action.

But the main majority of air defense systems in the ground forces are completely outdated Soviet air defense systems 9K33 Osa and 9K35 Strela-10, of which there are so many that modern Buks and Tors, at best, can be about 20% of their number .

Electronic intelligence

There are several components here. Separately, it is worth mentioning the artillery, where the Leopard, Panther, Zoo, Argus are Soviet heritage, and not much modernized. At present, the fleet of artillery and counter-battery radars is a sad picture.

The situation is somewhat better (much) in the field of short-range radars.

The Tula software "Strela" has developed and supplies the army with a decent amount (according to the nomenclature) of really modern radars such as "Aistenok", "Fara", "Credo", "Sobolyatnik", which are quite modern means of reconnaissance and target designation.

I would venture to say that it is in this type of weapons that the percentage of new and modern products is the highest in the Russian army.

Weapon

Pistols The Makarov pistol, of course, can hardly be called modern. Yarygin's pistol, which replaced him, can hardly be called combat. A tribute to modernity is observed (plastic in the design, an enlarged store, etc.) to the detriment of reliability and convenience.

Machines The main armament of a soldier of the Russian army is the AK-74M. This machine gun was new more than forty years ago, today (which has already been mentioned on our pages more than once) its cartridge does not ensure the proper defeat of enemy manpower.

AK-12 / AK-15 is a variant of the future, but for some reason the promotion of this weapons proceeds at an extremely slow pace. And if we take the latest examples from the SVO, then there were cases of refusals mobilized in favor of the AK-74 as a more well-known weapon.

Sniper rifles Neither the SVD, nor the SVDM, nor the SV-98 can be considered modern weapons. The fact that today single copies of new rifles fall into the troops does not change the role. High-precision infantry weapons today are 95% outdated and out of date.

Machine guns Here, of course, there are as many people as there are opinions, but the fact that the 6P41 Pecheneg, made on the basis of a very solid PKM, is a good thing, you can argue here, but it’s difficult. The machine gun is really quite and meets all modern requirements. Yes, it is not without flaws, but it is really a modern machine gun.

As for the large-caliber 6P50 "Kord", it's just a very good 12,7-mm machine gun, with virtually no flaws. When compared with the main competitor M2NV, the American is generally archaic.

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So with machine guns, everything is fine with us, without interest. They are.

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Aviation. Aircraft

Fighter aviation The basis of our fighter aviation (the basis is when it is most quantitative) are the Su-27 and MiG-29 of various modifications. These are frankly obsolete aircraft that need to be changed both for moral and physical wear and tear. There are more than 200 of all types, and the time of these machines is over. It is difficult to say what, however, the MiG-29 light fighter will be replaced with, because the MiG-35 went down in history even earlier.

The Su-30 and Su-35 are quite modern aircraft capable of performing the entire range of today's missions. Yes, we admit that 4th generation aircraft are relevant today, the fifth is not yet ready to fully participate in battles due to both lack of knowledge and huge cost. For us, this is a real plus.

We have about an equal number of old and not very old aircraft, so we can say that with regard to fighter aircraft, yes, 50% of modern technology is available.

Specially left the MiG-31 apart. It’s not easy with them, the planes are really old, but the upgrades allow them to keep the sky in their wings. Indeed, in terms of fulfilling the task of “catching up and killing”, the 31st has no equal.

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Front Bombers The Su-25 attack aircraft is suitable for its tasks. We can say that the aircraft is outdated, but it irons the front line of the enemy’s defense, and it doesn’t need to do anything else.

Su-24 is frankly old. And no matter how you modernize it, this is the plane of yesterday, not today. There is a Su-34, which is a cut above the 24th, and there are sufficient quantities. But if you look at the entire front-line aviation, then the share of modern / new aircraft does not exceed 24-26%. And in aviation, the “new” aircraft is a more significant difference than, say, in tanks.

Strategic Aviation Modernity as a parameter here is very conditional, because aircraft are designed for a very narrow range of tasks. The reliability of strategists is determined, among other things, by novelty, and here we, like our opponents in principle, are in perfect order: aircraft from 40 years old. Yes, a new Tu-160 was released in Kazan. This can be said to be a breakthrough. But in essence, our strategic and long-range aviation is represented by Soviet aircraft that have gone through various stages of modernization.

It is difficult to say how modern and new they really are.

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Transport aircraft Here is the realm of Soviet-era aircraft. Unfortunately, the Russian aviation industry has not been able to establish the production of transport aircraft, so the fleet of this type of aviation is not only not modern - it is also not new.

The only "ray of light" is a ten-year-old contract for 39 Il-76 aircraft. The remaining TA aircraft were produced by the Antonov Design Bureau and there is nothing to replace them with.

Helicopters With combat helicopters, we are very, very decent. Mi-28 and Ka-52 attack helicopters of various modifications make up the attack helicopter fleet, and here the percentage of new and modern machines is really high. Mi-24s are still in service, but they are gradually being withdrawn, replacing them with Mi-35s, which is good news.

Transport aviation consists of Mi-8, Mi-38 and Mi-26 helicopters. You can’t call them modern, but the truck as a whole doesn’t really need it.

If you use a calculator, it turns out that the helicopter fleet consists of modern / new machines by more than 55%.

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Air Defense Forces subordinate to the VKS Here everything is more luxurious than in the air defense of the Ground Forces. Complexes S-400 Triumph, S-350 Vityaz, S-300V, Buk-M2, Buk-M1-2, Pantsir C1 and C2. The old ones include S-300P and S-300PS. In the Air Defense Forces of the Aerospace Forces, the level of modern technology does indeed reach 70% in terms of air defense systems.

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Radio engineering troops of the VKS As for radars for various purposes, there are a lot of them in the RTV VKS, but there are no clear data in terms of quantity. Therefore, the presence of modern stations such as Nebo-M, Podlet-K1, Gamma C1, Opponent-GE is given, but frankly old radar stations Desna, Terek, " Defense", "Sky-U".

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As you can see, for the most part, for various types, the figure of 70% regarding modern technology is simply unattainable. Perhaps they didn’t explain to us how to count correctly and where to get the numbers for calculations, but we have what we have: in very rare cases, it is possible to confirm the reality of the numbers.

And in this case, quite rightly, the question may arise: where then to look for these same 70% of modern technology?

Yes, in this analysis, the engineering troops were not touched at all, in which there is simply a huge amount of different equipment. And there is quite possible the presence of a large number of NEW cars. But NEW is not necessarily MODERN. Therefore, I would prefer to leave this very sensitive issue aside.

But as for tanks, artillery, MLRS, light armored vehicles - alas, the mentioned 70% are not even close there.

And what are we fighting then? And why should we be so surprised? Although, perhaps, the answer to the successes of the Russian army observed by us in the NMD lies, among other things, in this figure.

Comments

[Russian jacket]

Well, where? There is only one answer. On the paper. Subscriptions and lies. The main thing is to say it smartly. Now we are seeing the consequences of the work of the same effective managers only in uniform. And none are properly punished. Zampotylu, somehow Hero of Russia TYLOVIK ???? Became an inspector for failures in work. What to say…. The vertical is our everything….

[NDR-791]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Well, where? There is only one answer. On the paper.

In the same place as 1,5 million sets of modern uniforms, I think. But if a set of uniforms, if desired, can be found on the market from a former ensign, then where can you find such an ensign who will get Armata out of the stash?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: NDR-791

then where to find such an ensign who will get Armata out of the stash?

It is clear that it is nowhere to be found, but all these are consequences, and the reason is the lack of industrial production. No industry == no modern army == no education, because why train competent specialists, where should they work? Equally lack of medicine and others, and others. And today, the financial policy of the state, sharpened by the trade in resources (low value-added products), does not allow the development of Russian industry. From this it should be concluded that since the times of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in terms of the collapse of industry, nothing has changed and the current leadership of the country should be considered worthy successors of the work of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, the NWO has clearly shown this.

[runway-1]

Greetings!
Strategically, fundamentally, nothing has changed for the better. Yes, of course, the system has changed, evolved, but the basic, "generic" defects have not gone away ...

[alekseykabanets]

Hello dear!

Quote: WFP-1

but the basic, "generic" defects have not gone away ...

And where do they go then? These defects, blood from blood and flesh from flesh, those defects that were acquired through criminal privatization, sacrificing the interests of the country, for the sake of a narrow circle of people.

[Sidor_Bodrov]

MPs want to eat. And they always wanted to, like their ward relatives. Therefore, there is no money for the defense industry and everything else, and so far there will not be. Since, in their opinion, it is not advisable to introduce a progressive personal income tax. But selling new items for export to private companies is very nice - the profit is not bad, but past the state treasury. Business is everything.

[private person]

But selling new items for export to private companies is very nice - the profit is not bad, but past the state treasury. Business is everything.

So we have everything in private hands, selling over the hill getting bucks and euros is more profitable. And then where would elite housing and accounts abroad come from?

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: WFP-1

Greetings!
Strategically, fundamentally, nothing has changed for the better. Yes, of course, the system has changed, evolved, but the basic, "generic" defects have not gone away ...

This is called birth trauma. Which was obtained during the formation of the Russian Federation and which has not yet been outlived and does not allow it to develop normally.

[Il'nur]

which is still not obsolete and does not allow to develop normally

Here the question arises: who will outlive it, if all the key positions are occupied by the followers of grabbing and those who believe that the market will destroy everything, and the Head is satisfied with everything and everything ...

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Ilnur

which is still not obsolete and does not allow to develop normally

Here the question arises: who will outlive it, if all the key positions are occupied by the followers of grabbing and those who believe that the market will destroy everything, and the Head is satisfied with everything and everything ...

I absolutely agree with this, they will not outlive themselves.

[Shark Lover]

I'll say it a little differently. Now effective managers are put in leaders, but not specialized specialists. Journalist-space, thief-oil, accountant-banker. In general, the market for specialists is very narrow, there are not enough of them. The main specialty now in the management of large enterprises is the game with securities. Medium and small, you know who the hell. Proverb - no matter who your son or daughter studies, he (she) will be a sales manager (sales agent, accountant, well, and other foreign words)

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

And no matter what suits, if he is in charge of it all and directs it all. They have their own goals and interests, and no one promised that these goals and interests would coincide with the interests of the majority of the population. According to Marx: "The state is an apparatus of violence in the hands of the ruling class. The president is a representative of the interests of the ruling class", in our case, the ruling class is bourgeois / capitalists (bankers, hucksters, speculators), and all movements, laws, etc., are made in their interest.

[Adrey]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It is clear that it is nowhere to be found, but all these are consequences, and the reason is the lack of industrial production.

Here I do not agree with you. Of course, the lack of industrial production leaves its mark, but it was the military-industrial complex that survived to a greater extent than the machine tool industry or the electronics industry, and more attention was paid to it.
In my opinion, the main reason is the primacy of the "correct" report over the "real" work. And of course, the almost complete absence of personal responsibility. In case of failure, you will not be thrown into the "air", they will simply transfer you, and not "vertically" (down), but "parallel".

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Adrey

but just the military-industrial complex has survived to a greater extent than the machine tool industry or the electronic industry,

The military-industrial complex cannot exist separately from machine tool building, microelectronics, the space industry, the chemical industry, agriculture, and so on. etc. Everything is interconnected.

Quote: Adrey

And of course, the almost complete absence of personal responsibility.

The entire control system is built on this, unfortunately.

[Il'nur]

complete lack of personal responsibility. In case of failure, you will not be thrown into the "air", they will simply transfer you, and not "vertically" (down), but "parallel"

What personal responsibility can there be, and who will throw them out, they are "Friends" of Himself ...

[Foundling]

If not for the Soviet "galoshes", then there would be trouble.

[Kolobochok]

Galoshes turned out to be super strong. And very good quality. And a lot of them

[alexoff]

There is no industry if the state can suspend purchases for years. UVZ built a line for fittings for credit money, the Moscow Region takes and does not buy anything - the plant almost goes bankrupt. No modern rifle? So the Moscow Region doesn’t buy anything, Kalashnikov, if it weren’t for whirlwinds, and exports would go bankrupt. If you look at the amounts that the Ministry of Defense in which branches of the troops buys there, in general, tears for the ground forces. And the generals don’t care, they won’t have to fight

[TheWatcher]

Quite right! Fucking bureaucrats from the Moscow Region generally need nichrome, and therefore the new equipment in the troops cried like a cat.
One project with the AK-12 is worth something when KK, on ​​its own initiative, under the leadership of the then general director Vladimir Zlobin, made a new machine gun, which only remained to be brought to mind.
The generals went to shit and said they don't fucking need it, like a dear. Zlobin was fired from the KK, the new machine gun was scrapped, and the AK-12 began to be molded from the old AK-74M.

[alexoff]

Why is there Kalash - there is a satellite constellation "sphere", space enterprises say - let's cut down our worldwide broadband Internet! A bunch of communications satellites plus intelligence! What does the government tell them? And where is the profit? We will invest, and when will you return the money to us? That is, it turns out that Roskosmos is running around with a business project and is looking for investments, while the state does not need any satellites, there is no such need. Nevertheless, money was raised, as much as one and a half billion dollars for three years, rather to support the pants of the industry. In fact, 99% of what the enterprises of the military-industrial complex or Roscosmos tell us are initiative projects, and there each headline must end with the phrase "if funding is allocated." And those who seem to be interested in general laid down the bolt. Won - three billion rubles were allocated for "Altair" for several years, and this is an analogue of the global hawk, which costs three times more. A thing, not a program, but for this money, let's give the plant, engines and Russian electronics. Then the director was imprisoned (corrupt officials are usually arrested in absentia when they are already in Cyprus) and the design bureau was also destroyed. Although, judging by the fact that three pepelats took off, people need to erect cast-iron monuments at railway stations and help them in every possible way, and not ruin everything so that competing sawmills get it.

[Sidor_Bodrov]

Only the majority of the Communist Party in the Duma will solve the problem.

[alexoff]

Modern communist socialists do not inspire confidence. One out there is a furious communist crunching rolls in France, one head of the French Socialist Party not so long ago staged interventions in former colonies and scammed voters, and he is no longer remembered because of the wildly low ratings. Well, the children of the Communists are generally atas - Khakamada and Browder will not let you lie.

[Commissioner_Wolf]

And according to the results of the SVO, the AK-74m broke all AK-12s in efficiency and reliability ...... Ak-12 is such a rare piece of garbage that people on the LBS are in the deepest frenzy. In place of the norms of the sight there is DIOPTER (WHAT !!!!?????) on the cover of the receiver (Moving part, forget about accuracy) The stock breaks when firing from the GP ... since the plastic is fragile, melted down from Chinese materials. AK-12 is a complete failure and not a weapon. Suitable for a shooting gallery, but not for WAR

[Vashek]

About Armata. And the car, in principle, is bad, it cannot pass the tests, the crew does not see a damn thing. And the workshop was not built. And the directorate for these years twice came across and was replaced. The school is long gone.

[alexoff]

An initiative project, how much did the state allocate there? What did the state do to make the tank work? Arranged checks and worked out that everything was wrong? With such an approach, Peter 1 would have been left without a fleet and access to the Baltic, and the USSR would have had neither missiles, nor strategic bombers, nor nuclear weapons - the industry simply does not work well, that's nothing.

[Johann Klassen]

Is it possible to say it directly, without any censorship-tolerant and politically correct words and allegories.
Isn't it time to name the Names, Surnames and places of work (positions held)?
And most importantly, with the "liberal-democratic sect" to build a developed ultra-global capitalism, Russia is moving in the "right direction."
It turns out that the "Chief Disinformer of the Russian Federation" is none other than the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, President Vl. Vl. Putin?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Johann Klassen

It turns out that the "Chief Disinformer of the Russian Federation" is none other than the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, President Vl. Vl. Putin?

Swapping one talking head for another will do absolutely nothing. It is necessary to get rid of gaskets such as Abramovich, Deripaska, Potanin, etc. etc., because this is the "birth trauma" of our state.

[Shark Lover]

These pads and rule the country. Each of them has its own deputy in the Duma and not one, from the Federation Council, in the government, through them they oppress their business. The president, as a breeder between all of them, so as not to squabble, may be trying to do something, but the system works.

[Horn]

And Peskov's mustache said that he had nothing to do with it. Neprichemysh.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Horn

And Peskov's mustache said that he had nothing to do with it. Neprichemysh.

so mustache separately, Peskov separately ... Mustache please do not touch!! Peskov can .

[Sidor_Bodrov]

- Fuck you. Between the country and Putin - United Russia and its wards. The tail doesn't wag the dog.

[Osmodey]

Since the collapse of the USSR, the country has been going downhill. For 30 years of the rule of the so-called democrats, and in fact the bourgeoisie, who have neither a homeland nor a conscience, for 30 years I have not seen a single positive achievement. Everything that these moral degenerates have reached is being destroyed (education, medicine, industry). Yes all! I almost forgot - there is still progress in one direction - these are religious organizations such as the ROC. Their adherents were even given feelings - which protect at the level of the Criminal Code. The feelings of people who do not believe in imaginary friends, apparently don't give a damn

[Civil]

1. We wear out grandfather's clothes, since he bought a lot of them in his time and in reserve.
2. The author has not yet touched on the fleet and military space.
3. Thanks to Soviet industry and science.

[Stas157]

Quote: Civil

We are wearing out grandfather's clothes, since he bought them a lot at one time and in reserve

And do not forget to blame grandfather for galoshes.

[AdAstra]

Yes, if not for the Soviet "galoshes" ... """

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Civil

1. We wear out grandfather's clothes, since he bought a lot of them in his time and in reserve.
2. The author has not yet touched on the fleet and military space.
3. Thanks to Soviet industry and science.

If not for the Soviet legacy, we would sit in one place. A clear example of the fact that galoshes were not made under the Soviet regime.

[alekc73]

The ensign is a trifle is an anecdote. The fish rots from the head. Look at the general's pitchfork and foreign cars.

[Victor Wolz]

In vain you commemorate ensigns as some kind of thieves, even if he took out several sets of uniforms, then generals and colonels are taken out by trucks. At least in the 90s.

[AAK]

The indicated figures for the percentage of new technology or close to them could only be in the "heroic" Tamansko-Kantemirovskiye and the like, but only after Izyum-Barvenkov-Liman the percentage dipped a lot ...

[Johann Klassen]

You commemorate the Tamansko-Kantemirovskiye Guards Divisions in Sue.
But during the Great Patriotic War, our ancestors earned the high ranks of the guards by fighting and defeating the European fascists.
In my family, 9 people fought in the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War.
Moreover, two of them fought in the formations of this division, were awarded high government awards for heroism and courage.

[Diverter]

the fact of the matter is that these are the merits of our grandfathers. I think that 50 years after the Victory, these parts should have been renamed into ordinary bkz of all kinds of regalia.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Well, where? There is only one answer. On the paper. Subscriptions and lies. The main thing is to say it smartly.

and with the blocked 300 billion in the West, it also turned out that in fact, only 100 are available, the rest are on paper. So it's the same everywhere...

[Civil]

Quote: Stirbjorn

and with the blocked 300 billion in the West, it also turned out that in fact, only 100 are available, the rest are on paper. So it's the same everywhere...

From this point of view, the loss of billions sparkled with new colors and highlights the corruption scheme as bae.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Stirbjorn

and with the blocked 300 billion in the West, it also turned out that in fact, only 100 are available, the rest are on paper. So it's the same everywhere...

Yes, everything is simpler there - as soon as they began to demand not just to block Russian funds, but to take them away and use them for other needs, the announced amounts of blocked funds immediately began to decrease. PMSM, just no one wants to share.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Alexey RA

PMSM, just no one wants to share.

Well, it's so natural. What did they block to share sweat with the rogue? Yeah, keep your pocket wide.

[Igor_Lvovich]

Even from there they somehow managed to steal 200 billion!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Igor_Lvovich

Even from there they somehow managed to steal 200 billion!

Most likely stolen at the stage of sending. That is, according to pieces of paper like there are reserves, but in fact 0, just like with all this new equipment.

[Timur_kz]

I do not understand where the information comes from? They should be in American bonds, but there are only 100 billion of them?

[AA17]

Dear Russian quilted jacket. Agree with your comment.

...And none are properly punished...

There is a well-known truth: impunity breeds irresponsibility and negligence.
".... My friend was talking about Putin just now. Here, he says, for example, let's imagine that Putin is the head of the mafia. Purely fantasize. Don Corleone. Godfather. That's where he has all such a mafia: oligarchs, corrupt officials, bandits. And they deceive him. They deceived him once. They deceived him twice. They deceived him three times, four times. And the Don is like that—well, how can it be, how are you not ashamed to deceive me? And the whole of Sicily is like that—we have a good Don, only dishonest people around him are constantly deceived. "Hmm. Something doesn't add up. The Don cannot be deceived. Or rather, it can. But only once. After that, the body of the analyst will be gutted and displayed in the main bazaar of Sicily, and a tablet will be nailed to his forehead with the words: Questo pederast ha ingannato Don. Which, translated from Sicilian, roughly means: here is the person who deceived Don. Why, in the case of Putin's deception, is everyone alive, no one was fired, and nothing happened at all?..." https://vnnews.ru/german -sadulaev-putin-kak-kompromiss/

[nepunamemuk]

the conclusion is simple: then Putin is not the head of the mafia

[Stas157]

Quote from: nepunamemuk

output simple: so Putin is not the head of the mafia

And how do you like this output?
The leader who is deceived all the time may not be the head of the mafia. But what he definitely isn't is a good leader.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

A very strange approach. I remember very well what Russia and its army represented in 2000 and naturally did not vote for Putin. How could I vote for someone who comes from Yeltsin. But I voted for him with pleasure in 2012, because I had something to compare: 2000 and 2012. He pulled the country out of complete shit and is he a bad leader? Where is the logic?

[Stas157]

Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev

because I had something to compare: 2000 and 2012

Yes, after the end of the redistribution of property and the strait of gold-oil rain, life began to get a little better, but no fundamental difference. If instead of Putin there was EBN, everything would be the same. And maybe a little better.

[Deon59]

Under Yeltsin in 1993, a foreign car with customs clearance cost 1300 bucks; in 2008, under Putin, only one customs clearance cost at least 3200 euros.

[Stanislav0009]

In 93 there was one car for the whole village. And now each family has two

[restless]

I have been driving my Renault since 2004, and if it weren’t for the galvanized body, I would walk, because I can’t buy a new and even a used car because of the small salary, although the average in St. Petersburg is voiced at 89 thousand, of course, if our director receives 6 million a month, and I’m 30 thousand, then everything is clear that the director can buy two new cars or one apartment with his salary, well, the rest, study the possibilities for your survival in these conditions. Young people will say look for a job with a higher salary, but when you are over 50 no one needs you, even with work experience, except for those employers who will pay you a penny salary ...

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from Deon59

Under Yeltsin in 1993, a foreign car with customs clearance cost 1300 bucks; in 2008, under Putin, only one customs clearance cost at least 3200 euros.

Yeah. Only in 2008, 3200 euros is a salary for SIX months of work, and 1300 dollars in 1993 is for FORTY

[Deon59]

3200 euros is only customs clearance. 2008 Golf3 1994 cost 195000 rubles. In 1993, while serving in the Far East, I managed to buy two foreign cars for a year.

[Deon59]

So Ukraine decided to join NATO, we did it long and hard .... When the Baltic countries joined NATO in 2003 and the Nazi marches took place. And that Putin was silent.

[Stas157]

Quote from Deon59

So Ukraine decided to join NATO, we did it long and hard .... When the Baltic countries joined NATO in 2003 and the Nazi marches took place. And that Putin was silent.

So now our neighbors Finland and Sweden have one foot in NATO. And no demarches from our side!

[Alf]

Quote: Stas157

And no demarches from our side!

Why not ? We constantly express concern and beg to change our minds ...

[Alexey Lantukh]

As always and everywhere the question is money. If you have money, then you are good, if you don't have money, you are bad. Putin came in 2000 when oil and gas prices were low and Russia's budget was choking on poverty. After about 2 years of government, prices grew very much and Russia became rich, which even began to be put aside in reserves. However, at the same time, the industry was still stagnating, unable to withstand competition with the West, and it seems that they didn’t really understand this and were going to buy everything behind the cordon. Well, here we are. They realized it around 2010-15, but it’s not so easy to raise entire industries, especially since the technically knowledgeable generation is almost gone and it’s impossible to replace it with Tajiks, and our young people don’t particularly go to the real sector for various reasons (low wages, laziness to work). Here we got what we got.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev

A very strange approach. I remember very well what Russia and its army represented in 2000 and naturally did not vote for Putin. How could I vote for someone who comes from Yeltsin. But I voted for him with pleasure in 2012, because I had something to compare: 2000 and 2012. He pulled the country out of complete shit and is he a bad leader? Where is the logic?

The logic is simple, because much more could have been done.

[R_S_F_S_R_]

gladly voted for him in 2012

that’s why I voted because you were sitting behind the fence, as under communism - they feed, water, clothe, shoe, you don’t take part in the real sector of the economy, benefits, housing and communal services, sanatoriums, vacations, you can embarrass yourself, fill the state car with state gasoline and take off on personal matters. And they pay for it all!
And at this time, on the other side of the fence - the ruins multiplied and extinction.

In this contrast, you went to vote for him in formation, and you set such a task for conscripts. And then nedaiboh and then what?

And today he called on you, his faithful dependents, to fix his jambs with weapons, but many of you immediately jumped off the topic, and drove to the front those who were not shod and not dressed, and from whom the last was torn off.

I summarize all warriors, of course there is an exception, which only confirms the rule.

[savage3000]

O! hello! I had almost the same logic. comes from an alcoholic? would never vote.
then the oil bubbled up. I think, let me see what will be done after 2004, when Kasyanov and other purely Yeltsin people are expelled. waited with doubt, the flooding of MIR was still fresh.

I waited for the replacement of the government. remains the same liberal. what started? accumulation of capsules, statements "we will buy everything for oil", exam, fursenok with the words attributed to him: we do not need creators, we need literate users .... and so on.

so tell me how someone pulled the country out of a complete g??? very interesting. can be on the example of SVO, as the most pressing topic.

never voted for this figure. and the crises of 2008, the 12th and others clearly showed all what kind of people we rule.

ps the country was pulled by oil and gas. and other raw materials. but not this figure, who was saving money, instead of developing the country. so yeah bad. I am surprised that you voted for him, with the initial introductory.

[EFIM LYUBIN]

And what will the Russian authorities do when (already this century) all of Western Siberia, Kazakhstan and the entire coast of the Arctic Ocean sink to the bottom of the World Ocean? There will be no oil and gas!

[Akuzenka]

Alas, it is. It seems to me that the WWI scheme in the Republic of Ingushetia from the time of Nicholas 2 works here, I exaggerate a little, but still. In addition, the capitalist will not peck out the eyes of the capitalist. He knows everything, he agrees with everything. Therefore, everything in the Russian Federation is good. So good that it will get even better soon. The truth is not for us. We won't be left anymore.

[Grancer81]

Then what should have been done instead of SVO?

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev

The strongest survives. If there's nothing left of you, then so be it. Law of nature. Fuck your understand! In Russia, not everything is good, but not bad either. Much better than in the 90s. I am 64 years old and modern Russia suits me. What are you spreading snot here? I have two complaints with Putin: the first is that the special operation was late and it was no longer worth jumping on the outgoing train, the second is stagnation in the space industry. And I completely agree with you. It will get even better for me, not for you. And you won't be here.

And I'm 67 and this Russia does not suit me.

[Alf]

Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev

It will get even better for me, not for you. And you won't be here.

Good evening, Mrs. Have you already come back ?

[Negro]

Quote: Alf

Good evening Mrs.

This is the phrase of Andrei Petrovich Parshev, a colonel of the FSB of the Russian Federation and a media freak from Russian TV.

In fact, it is easy to figure out that if a country lives by exporting raw materials abroad, then, hmm, the optimization of the population is primarily interested in the authorities of this country. Everyone else doesn't care.

[Svyatov_Den]

All these plans are in effect. Nobody was going to give them up.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev

I have two complaints with Putin: the first is that the special operation was late and it was no longer worth jumping on the outgoing train, the second is stagnation in the space industry.

Just two complaints? Do you live in Russia from an alternate universe? But wait, there will be a lot of claims soon. The flywheel of the crisis has not yet been sufficiently spun.

[Dart2027]

Quote: AKuzenka

In addition, the capitalist will not peck out the eyes of the capitalist.

Do the capitalists know?

[Ruby]

Now our Defense Ministry seems to be very sorry about the absence in the country of such a structure as the Ministry of Truth :)

[Russian jacket]

Very sorry. Just tears flow from managers in uniform.

[Stas157]

. However, the presence total 28 units in the Russian army (there are more in the Azerbaijani army!) puts the number of modern anti-tank systems on the brink of statistical error.

There is no excuse for this at all! Seventeen years have passed since the adoption of the complex into service. There is everything for production, It costs a little money ... But nevertheless Chrysanthemum in quantity - the cat cried. That is, including where all the new items are usually located.

. Quite rightly, the question may arise: where then to look for these same 70% of modern technology?

What our officials have become adept at is the "correct" statistics. Adjust, suck from the finger, but give out the necessary numbers - in this they are unsurpassed masters!

And life expectancy will be sharply raised before the pension reform, and inflation will be calculated in such a way that you are surprised - why are the exorbitant prices in stores? Elections - a separate song. There, by a strange coincidence, we always have a pariah of ED always in the majority.

[zenion]

Russian padded jacket. You are right! It can also be vertical, deep vertical. It can vertically to the very bottom, even from a stool.

[Geo73]

So I would not tear my hair and hysteria now, although the Author brings us to this, but whose side is it right now?

I am embarrassed by the pseudo-real figures of what was and became, without reference to where the Author got these figures from, military property is a delicate thing and often goes hand in hand with enemy misinformation and military secrets.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Well, where? There is only one answer. On the paper. Subscriptions and lies. The main thing is to say it smartly. Now we are seeing the consequences of the work of the same effective managers only in uniform. And none are properly punished. Zampotylu, somehow Hero of Russia TYLOVIK ???? Became an inspector for failures in work. What to say…. The vertical is our everything….

Probably he got a hero for stealing wagons of stew.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

On paper.

You're wrong, in fact I'm sure it's really 70 new. Only information in percentages does not say anything, as a rule, this is an attempt to hide the real state of affairs. For example: there are 100 obsolete tanks, for 70% of new ones you need to supply 70 new ones, and send the same number of old ones for storage. And you can send 97 old ones for storage, and put 7 new ones, in total there will be 10 of them 70% new and loudly report on the next success on TV. It is necessary to prohibit the submission of any information at all levels as a percentage, then the picture of the catastrophe will be immediately visible. And so these tales can be fooled for a very long time.

[Timur_kz]

Reports on the state of affairs of interested departments and services should be banned altogether. It was always surprising when there was a campaign against the stick system and then the Minister of the Interior immediately reported to the President on the detection of crimes, i.e. those sticks. Let a separate service deal with this - analytics and accounting, controlled directly by the head of state. True, Putin will continue to be deceived anyway, because if he believes that by transferring the offending official to another position for jambs, he thereby punishes him ... then I have bad news for him, as they say.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Timur_kz

still keep cheating

The question here is, do they want to hear the truth at the top? If you wanted to, then everything is done very quickly, and so we have what we have.

[Timur_kz]

Well then, if you dig even deeper, you should ask the question: why don't they want to know the truth? The answer suggests itself: because they do not know what to do with this truth. Then you will either have to break everything that you have created over the years, or start right away with yourself.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Timur_kz

because they don't know what to do with this truth

This is the root of the problem. In the current system of government, the truth is destructive.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Well, where? There is only one answer. On the paper. Subscriptions and lies. The main thing is to say it smartly. Now we are seeing the consequences of the work of the same effective managers only in uniform. And none are properly punished. Zampotylu, somehow Hero of Russia TYLOVIK ???? Became an inspector for failures in work. What to say…. The vertical is our everything….

Transplant the entire staff of the Moscow Region to modern, "unparalleled" Russian-designed cars! To start and let them be proud!

[Sniper]

At the forefront is not the competence of the officer, but personal devotion. There they have their own circle for laundering, and washing out ..

[Uncle lee]

the Russian army has more than 70%, or more precisely, almost 71% of modern weapons and equipment.

- I swear on my mother!

[zenion]

Uncle Lee. And if you pull out your teeth, then they do not press in the mouth. It's so beautiful without teeth, you can chew your lips. I swear by dad, here it is!

[SaLaR]

Where is Zinn's money?..................

[dmi.pris1]

Do not ask this question to the gentlemen ... Slaves are only supposed to have noodles on their ears

[Uncle lee]

Quote from Beaver.

What if you pull out your teeth?

I don't know, I haven't tried it... And I'm not a dentist.

[zenion]

Uncle Lee. So you need to tear not your own, but the enemy, and then ask - the tongue does not press, do not you feel that it is superfluous?

[Beaver]

And I didn't write that. Rip your teeth if you want, I don't care

[zenion]

dmi.pris. Noodles should be old, dry and chewed many times. Then it's just cymys. You chew it and there is no feeling that you do not want to chew. Such noodles can not be counted, they have been chewed for 30 years and for twenty years they have been like fresh.

[Akuzenka]

Where is Zinn's money?..................

They are "invested in real estate". To foreign.

[Popenko]

Looking forward to new Bolsheviks and soldiers' committees? But we'll wait with such managers.

[Dmitry Rigov]

The saddest thing, in my opinion, is the lack of reconnaissance UAVs and wheeled self-propelled howitzers in sufficient quantities, like the SV-ShK Coalition. Those. everything else is, in principle, acceptable within the current framework, and the difference between modern foreign and ours is not so significant, but these two points in conjunction would give a huge advantage during the NWO. I still don’t understand what was the difficulty in simply riveting them in sufficient quantities, these are not some kind of space technologies like Starlink or optical reconnaissance satellites.

[Stas157]

Quote: Dmitry Rigov

The saddest thing, in my opinion, is the lack of reconnaissance UAVs and wheeled self-propelled howitzers in sufficient quantities, like the SV-ShK Coalition. Those. everything else is basically acceptable

Satellite reconnaissance, drill aircraft ....

[zenion]

You forgot to write that in the photographs, they are very beautiful, as if they were always there.

[saigon]

But the minister said 70% what questions to the demons? Here the people do not believe the whole minister and directly the defense in the pagons. Although words and deeds are heaven and earth.

[tomas.09]

And there were so many beautiful pictures on the "Star"

[Dilettante grandfather]

I want to draw attention to one nuance. Shoigu said - in the army. Not in the zone of the NWO, but in the troops. I’m not going to argue with Roman about the amount of modern technology in the NWO zone, firstly, I didn’t wonder about the exact calculation from open sources, and secondly, most likely, the author is right, the video from the NVO zone often demonstrates not the most modern technology. But the troops are not only units performing combat missions at the front.
I fully admit that the databases are maintained using the most reliable, but not the most modern technology intentionally. It is well studied, the fighters know it very well, a huge amount of ammunition and spare parts has been accumulated in the warehouses. The risk that advanced developments fall into the hands of the enemy is low. Yes, the Americans can capture and study something. But even the T-90M, which fell into the hands of the enemy, is only an upgrade of the T-90. Even if it's deep. But the T-90 is still not a T-14, not the most modern machine. And then, if the old technique copes well with the tasks, why use the new one?
After all, we don’t know what the plans of the president and the General Staff are. We do not know what tasks are set there and then solved on the battlefield.
In short, everything is ambiguous. Yes, I would like Su-57 clouds to plow the sky above the database zone, covering a steel rink of 2-3 thousand Armats, sweeping away everything in their path with the support of the Terminators. But...

[SaLaR]

I would understand if they fought on the old, but reliable, and the new one was being prepared for great war ... But her, this the new simply does not exist, except for exhibition toys...

[Dilettante grandfather]

But it, this new one simply does not exist, except for exhibition toys ...

Are you ready to prove these words documented? Or is it just your opinion? I would like to know what it is based on. Why do you think that the Defense Ministry is ready to tell anything without concealing even classified information to the general public? This is a purely Western attitude: oh, the Russians showed us another cartoon! And then - oh, it turns out that the "Sarmat" has already entered service with them. Yes, how can they create hypersonic weapons, they are backward, these Russians! Oops, do they have that?!
Come on, prove your words about "exhibition toys".

[Foundling]

Do you think that the Ministry of Defense does not take into account losses by saving new equipment and using the less protected and less efficient old one? Doesn't appreciate fighters? Yes, you are my friend TsPSO definitely

[Dilettante grandfather]

I do not think that the "old" technique, as you put it, is less secure and effective. T-90 - far on the T-34 arr. 1941. Moreover, in the course of the NWO, the protection of tanks is being finalized, and the vehicles are being modernized. But we don’t know anything about the losses, or do you have information? Since spring-summer, Konashenkov has been silent about our losses.

[Foundling]

That is, the new technique does not have better indicators in terms of security and efficiency than the old one. I think Uralvagonzavod will be upset after hearing your statement. Communications, sighting systems, armor are all empty. And where does the "modernized technology"? Modernized means modern on the topic of the article. You yourself write that in the NWO zone "not the most modern technology." No need to wag)))

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Foundling

Do you think that the Ministry of Defense does not take into account losses by saving new equipment and using the less protected and less efficient old one? Doesn't appreciate fighters? Yes, you are my friend TsPSO definitely

Then the Americans on their abrams and hummers value their fighters even less ...

[timokhin-aa]

I posted an article on VO listing everything you ask, the administration demolished it.
Now the search for lies in the words of Shoigu is a criminal offense, if anything.
A few photos from that article (not all, I don’t provide a video), all from 2020-2022 (including the beginning of the NWO)

90th TD, 2020 exercises. Then she went to the NVO without drones, in the first month far beyond a hundred killed, including senior commanders, some units lay down completely, completely.
And this is still the world, everyone is alive.
In the photo - firing of divisional artillery, a "museum" GAZ-66 is visible as a working transport unit.

In the same place, the first car in the convoy, a Soviet motorcycle league with a 7,62 mm machine gun, followed by a T-72A without DZ, 1979.

In the same place, it is clear that there is more than one such tank in the division

In the same place - T-72A, with a DZ hung in a repair or workshop

There could be more to post, but this is a comment, so let's move on to CBO.
March 2022, north of Kyiv, group V. Another such rarity, already at war

Continued in the next comment (the limit of posted photos will be reached).

[Akuzenka]

I would understand if they fought on the old, but reliable, and prepared the new one for the great war ... But it, this new one simply does not exist, except for exhibition toys ...

You forgot about cartoons, it's still better!

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AKuzenka

I would understand if they fought on the old, but reliable, and prepared the new one for the great war ... But it, this new one simply does not exist, except for exhibition toys ...

You forgot about cartoons, it's still better!

Dill has already convinced the effectiveness of "cartoons", you still do not?

[zenion]

SaLaR. The most secret secret of the new technology is from which side to get into it, sit down and leave it. As far as it is clear, the issue of evacuation from it has not yet been resolved in the new technology. Or like from an airplane from tanks, or like from tanks from airplanes. The most secret question. Someone rearranged the letters against any rules in the fairy tale. Whale to cat vice versa. A whale catches mice on land, a cat beats buckets on the sea.

[SincerityX]

Entrance to the VLD under the lure of the tower. The exit is right there. I have not heard about the presence of hatches in the bottom, but I assume their presence.

[Dmitry Rigov]

It's just that if the SVO drags on, we risk turning into a testing ground for Western technology, and here the alignment is clearly not in our favor. Take the same shelling of airfields and ships, after which military aircraft were lost, and after all, each aircraft is a lot of money, and even the same cruiser, is it really worth the delay? And I am silent about the daily losses of soldiers and civilians due to insufficient equipment advantages, in my opinion, they forgot about this at the top.

[zenion]

Dmitry Rigov. Either they frighten with saucers, they say vile ones fly, then their dogs bark, then the ruins speak. We have become adept at them, we beat plates all year, we ate a dog on them, if the cook does not lie to us. And heaps of medicines, we are in the toilet, who is not a weakling, and suddenly Ukraine, what are you, you can’t do that! From the past V. Vysotsky.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dmitry Rigov

Just if the SVO drags on

..there is a risk that all of our VPR will hang on the loopholes of the Kremlin. But they seem to be completely out of touch with reality.

[Bingo]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

It is well studied, the fighters know it very well, a huge amount of ammunition and spare parts has been accumulated in the warehouses.

Exactly ... Together with the risks you mentioned of getting the latest technology to the enemy, the technology that has not been properly mastered is not really needed. After all, where did you see the Zamwalt in Syria or the B-2 in Afghanistan? Yes, because they are not idiots sitting there, and even with the love of mattresses for beautiful show-offs, they are not driven for fun by "military experts from bloggers" in orderly rows, for example, augmented reality glasses for infantry in linear units on a real front. Although they exist, they are also in experimental form, being tested.

[Dmitry Rigov]

But the B-2 was quite used in Yugoslavia and Iraq. Also, the RQ-170 in Iran is remembered to have been shot down. Again, if the conditional "Mexico" began to bomb border regions and airfields with them, I strongly doubt that the Americans would suddenly take care of their equipment, their judicial system is very strong.

[Bingo]

Quote: Dmitry Rigov

But the B-2 was quite used in Yugoslavia and Iraq.

And the Su-57 in Syria and Ukraine, but who stops? As I understand it, it’s necessary to bombard the Su-57 for show, and on the Armata, which was sharpened as a command tank, to crush a target like a machine gun in a forest plantation, where, for example, an armata radar is not needed. Motor resource only to waste. But with the RQ-170, you remembered correctly, the result was a downing, spinning into cogs - and Iran's production of a copy of the RQ-170, mattresses, who invented it - you need to present Iran's highest state award for the fact that Iran is now producing this:

[zenion]

Dmitry Rigov. So the Americans at that time did not know that the technique was secret. And our secret equipment, geese in chain mail shot down a couple of American secret equipment and the aliens were offended by the American headlessness. They have since been banned from flying. You can, of course, fly a little, but only in films, without identification marks, as if it were from other worlds. We have such technology. Absolutely invisible technique. The trouble is that she hides in the hangars and is difficult to find and she is very offended by such a name. She wants to be seen and loved. She only comes into contact with specially trained dogs who know foreign woof. Whatever they boasted on TV, it’s good that they don’t cry now. It is interesting to watch when everyone gathers to the heap and chats on TV, as in the collective farm "Svetly Put", scary, already horror!

[Dilettante grandfather]

I completely agree. Only a narrow-minded person can, without training in new equipment, simply put fighters on it and send them into battle. It's like a person who passed on the rights of category B, put behind the wheel of a scheduled bus, and send to work. Or the driver, albeit a professional, to make him take up the levers of the bulldozer, which he sees for the first time.

[single-n]

What does no learning mean? Or do you think there are hundreds of t-14s or su-57s in warehouses somewhere and just waiting for the command to use ?. Even if hypothetically, there are so many of them, then why didn’t they train l / s? The same armata is almost 10 years old. These are 2 full training cycles for officers and 10 shifts for conscripts. How much longer do you have to wait? 50 years until this armata becomes museum rubbish?
It's more likely that they simply don't exist.

[Dilettante grandfather]

What does no learning mean? Or do you think there are hundreds of T-14s or Su-57s in warehouses somewhere and are just waiting for a command to use them?

Su-57s are being produced and gradually transferred to air units. But, excuse me, a modern fighter cannot be mastered in a few days. Even for someone who has a lot of flying time on previous aircraft models. This is not a matter of weeks, but months. Even during the Great Patriotic War, pilots had to be retrained for new models for a long time. It's one thing if a unit fought on the Yak-1, and they were re-equipped on the Yak-3 or Yak-7. And it’s completely different if the rearmament was carried out from, say, I-16 to LaGG-3.
T-14s are possibly being produced. Or maybe not - I can’t say anything here, they don’t report to me from the Moscow Region. But in any case, training for this tank will also not work quickly: fundamentally different control systems. Su-57, by the way, according to our Defense Ministry, participated in the NWO.

[single-n]

Su-57s are being produced and gradually transferred to air units.

16 pieces in 3 years is sooo slow. moreover, it was planned to start producing them back in 2016. Yes, the Germans in WWII switched to jet aircraft faster. Me-262 in 1 year, under bombing and conditions of shortage of everything, almost 1,5 thousand were riveted. Or okay, take the F-35. For 16 years, 875 pieces were riveted, 54 pieces per YEAR !! And it is the USA that already has the most powerful Air Force in the world and no one bites their ass. And we, knowing that it can blaze at any moment, 5 pieces a year. The stump is clear that no one knows how to manage them. What to learn then? We are building space rockets 3 times more than these "miracle aircraft".

[Dilettante grandfather]

16 pieces in 3 years is sooo slow. moreover, it was planned to start producing them back in 2016. Yes, the Germans in WWII switched to jet aircraft faster. Me-262 in 1 year, under bombing and conditions of shortage of everything, almost 1,5 thousand were riveted.

Firstly, the Messerschmitt is a much simpler aircraft than the Su-57, created almost a century later. Secondly, can you tell me where to rush? Aircraft of the previous generation successfully perform all the tasks, so why arrange a rush?!

Or okay, take the F-35. For 16 years, 875 pieces were riveted, 54 pieces per YEAR !!

Yes, let them rivet at least 200 pieces a year. They are not sculpting them for the sake of their beloved Air Force, like pies, but for sale. And the faster they collect, the more emergency situations happen to fighters.
About "flash". The war has been going on for a long time, if you haven't noticed. And in the case of a global nuclear aircraft, the number of aircraft will not play any role, in 90% of cases missiles and anti-missiles will decide. And air defense, if one of the crazy ones decides to enter its zone of action on the B-52 or B-1B with the B-2 and B-21 to boot.

[Timur_kz]

They wrote nonsense. Modern technology is just different in that it is easier to master in management than the old one. It's like the first punch-card computer the size of a room and a modern gadget that a five-year-old child can figure out. Another question is if the technique itself is capricious, raw - it means not ready!

[Foundling]

That is, it is impossible to send a Kurganets to the work area with Javelins, but the BMP-1 is the very thing. Originally. And a category B driver in a passenger car in a quarry will have more chances not to be killed and move a couple of hundred cubes of rock than on a bulldozer, even if for the first time behind the levers? What kind of nonsense is delusional? Who prevents the preparation of mechanical drivers for Kurgan or armata? Three months of training and they will drive on Yars

[Dilettante grandfather]

Firstly, they teach mech-water for 6 months. In Cap Yar. Secondly, "on Yars" no one will allow a serviceman with a rank below an ensign to "drive". You would, for starters, study the materiel, then write nonsense.

[Foundling]

It's good that you generally agreed that a category B driver seated in the cab of a bulldozer in a quarry will be more useful than sending him there in a familiar passenger car. Wrote nonsense if you please sign it. Your comparison with a "category B driver", who is more familiar with the task in a passenger car than in a bulldozer that he has not mastered, immediately gives you a housewife))))

[IS-80_RVGK2]

For starters, you yourself would learn the materiel storyteller. If our troops are not armed with modern weapons, this is not because we have removed the old weapons. But because someone has a yacht worth several hundred BMP-3s. And the jackals defending such a system must be hung. Remember this.

[Dilettante grandfather]

For starters, you wouldn’t poke, otherwise it immediately betrays you as an uneducated person. And the system, the system was created by you, too. Where were you when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were destroying the USSR? Protested? Tried to protest? If yes, why didn't it work? You are such a fierce fighter against the oligarchy, right? And what about the Internet? Why not openly, in the square? ..

[timokhin-aa]

But is it okay that the group was assembled for a throw on Kyiv for a year? And that there were only contractors? Did you ever have to teach?

[Akuzenka]

Yes, because there are no idiots sitting there, and even with the love of mattresses for beautiful window dressing, they don’t drive the “military experts from bloggers” in orderly rows for fun, for example, augmented reality glasses for infantry in linear units on a real front.

And here is the fun! New? (5-10 years as) technique, it means that there should already be trained calculations and tactics of application developed! And God himself ordered to run it in real combat conditions, suddenly they didn’t think of it! So this is not. The conclusion is disappointing.

[zenion]

AKuzenka. In order to work with new equipment and increase its shooting ability, the army must be exactly like a worker at a machine tool, know it inside and out and be able to make any detail on a machine tool. You can't master a new technique in a year or three. The army must be trained and serve for at least 20 years. Start service at twenty and finish at forty. During this time, a shift that knows everything should be prepared. With such a territory, the number should be at least two million employees, at the border and across the country, one million each. Of course, you need supplies and supervision of supplies. As Suvorov wrote, those who served in the supply should be shot in a few years, they know why. But when everyone who is admitted to warehouses and money is stolen, this is impossible to do. Millions of things that are worth billions and trillions are being lost, there won’t be enough cartridges for all the cartridges, they will also be stolen.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from Bingo

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

It is well studied, the fighters know it very well, a huge amount of ammunition and spare parts has been accumulated in the warehouses.

Exactly ... Together with the risks you mentioned of getting the latest technology to the enemy, the technology that has not been properly mastered is not really needed. After all, where did you see the Zamwalt in Syria or the B-2 in Afghanistan? Yes, because they are not idiots sitting there, and even with the love of mattresses for beautiful show-offs, they are not driven for fun by "military experts from bloggers" in orderly rows, for example, augmented reality glasses for infantry in linear units on a real front. Although they exist, they are also in experimental form, being tested.

So Zamvolt is already everything bye-bye. Write them to the scrap completely

[Mikhail Ya2]

NWO, just the place to run in new weapons. Without real combat experience, any weapon will remain only for parades.

[vitvit123]

You write as if you already know that a lot of new weapons are being tested there ..
I honestly doubt

[Mikhail Ya2]

I don't know, I'm sure they don't even do that. But in my opinion, they are obliged to run in and check in real combat

[vitvit123]

So this is the opinion of any adequate person ..
But the fact is that, somehow, we all will not swing, or there is no desire (goal) to win quickly ... I even sometimes think that we are satisfied with this delay, freezing of the conflict ..
I don’t want to say that if we wanted to, we would have won - Wow and immediately won, I want to say that with our almost absolute gouging (on the part of the leadership), we still get it not bad strategically, but it’s still not clear how everything can turn upside down in the future...
The price, of course, is tragic, but there are many aspects ...

[Russian jacket]

In terms of troops, as I understand it, Shoigu means the Taman and Kantemirov divisions? Tada agrees. And about planning. How was Donetsk taken into account in the plans? And these plans somehow had to create the impossibility of shelling from the side of the Ukrainians. But in fact? One gets the impression, and for a long time, that our rulers do not care about the people. Although this is no longer an impression.

[Negro]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

In terms of troops, as I understand it, Shoigu means the Taman and Kantemirovskaya divisions? Tada agrees

Are there any modern weapons there?

[Alf]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

If the old technology does the job well, why use the new one?

To reveal all her shortcomings. At the landfills, everything is not always clear.

[Uh Neuhov]

Modern Russian weapons! What is it in general? Are there criteria? Apparently, for most of the highest military ranks in Russia, "shot and forgot" is not the main thing! For civilians, it was "fraud".

[Konnick]

Helicopters With combat helicopters, we are very, very well. Mi-28 and Ka-52 attack helicopters of various modifications make up the attack helicopter fleet, and here the percentage of new and modern machines is really high. Mi-24s are still in service, but they are gradually being withdrawn, replacing them with Mi-35s, which is good news.

At one time, the Mi-24 was in high demand on the global arms market. And no one buys the over-hyped Mi-35 and Ka-52, although the Ka-52 managed to sell Egypt along with the Mistrals. Maybe they are modern in years, but they are far behind in tactics of use.

[Konnick]

Industry had to be financed, not the army.

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Yes, we have no industry, I work at a wood-chemical plant; all equipment is imported, pumps are imported, sanctions were introduced, production almost stopped, because sulfur dioxide, hydrogen peroxide, etc. were supplied from Finland, how did we come to this?

[N3onMiami]

"How did we get to this point?"
What do you think?
We chose them ourselves and supported these 20 years.

[Bingo]

Quote from N3onMiami

We chose them ourselves and supported these 20 years.

They just gouged everything for the previous 15 - from 84 to 1999. And the production of EVERYTHING that was then restored for 20 years, otherwise there would be nothing, and the army

[N3onMiami]

The fact that then everything was gouged is not an excuse at all.
In 20 years, with competent leadership, and, most importantly, if desired, it was possible not only to restore everything, but also to completely reach the level of economic and social development of a number of European, even Scandinavian, countries.
After the Second World War, when the country lay in ruins, after 12 years the first satellite flew, and after another 4 years the first man went into space. It's like that, think about it.

[Bingo]

What nonsense. 20 years can be restored? Photo of 1965 - near the unfinished by the forces of prisoners of war of Moscow State University, the land is being plowed, the fields are there with vegetable gardens. And the whole capital lives in communal apartments. This is despite the fact that the heavy machinery in the USSR was not destroyed, as we had in the late 90s - in general, there was NOT A SINGLE machine-tool plant in 2000 - there was nothing to restore and nothing!
Do you want to tell that in 20 years they have not been restored to the level of the end of the USSR? I'll upset you - I remember very well Moscow of the USSR period or priestly Moscow, where one and a half light bulbs on Leninsky Street burn at night. Don’t tell me fairy tales that they didn’t recover back to the level of the USSR - they recovered, though not in everything, but objectively, shipbuilding cannot be built without Nikolaev in Salekhard. for example. And as for medical care - tell us. How much worse is it now than the Soviet one, when there were 5 artificial kidney devices in all of Moscow, 3 of them were in the 9th council, aka the Kremlin, I also remember this whole canoe.
It is impossible to restore what was destroyed to zero without factories, and they began to build them only in 2000, and half of the 20 years - they cleaned out all the nits from the 90s, such as the same Nemtsov, Semibankirshchyna, and other Western friends - half of this time there was a civil war at the top went, not recovery. But now there is already the same military-industrial complex, otherwise they would have chewed us up a long time ago in Syria, not to mention Ukraine - and they broke their teeth, it’s NATO’s warehouses that are already empty, and they, if you wave at the stocks of the USSR, also have stocks remained

Quote from N3onMiami

It's like that, think about it.

You can think about something else - the Russian Federation is not the USSR. Chopped-off Kazakhstan is like cutting off Yakutia and saying - but fuck it, there’s nothing there anyway ... So in Kazakhstan there’s nothing but gold. uranium or tungsten...

The total volume of extraction of solid minerals brought the republic to 13th place in the world among 70 mining countries

[Akuzenka]

This is despite the fact that the heavy machinery in the USSR was not destroyed, as we had in the late 90s - in general, there was NOT A SINGLE machine-tool plant in 2000 - there was nothing to restore and nothing!

Wow, how are you running. "The younger the blogger, the worse it was in the USSR." At least read the Internet if you didn’t get to the TSB.

[Dismas]

Launched...? Well, 's, my memory is not bad and I'm past retirement age. So I’ll say it straight, in the “zero”, yes, the younger the blogger was, the more he piled on the Union, like a ram on a fan. After the Crimean spring, the trend reversed - the younger the blogger, the closer his Union is to the utopia of the kingdom of universal prosperity. And the Union, sorry, was different: 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s - early 1960s, ser. 1960 - late 1970s, early - mid. 1980s and this motherfucking "perestroika" - so this is all the USSR. And I don’t need to read the “network garbage dump”, I remember my childhood very well, we didn’t prosper and didn’t travel by taxi - at five in the morning in thirty-degree frost for half an hour at the stop, the snot froze, waiting for the tram on the way to the kindergarten (although another one is within walking distance was, but "criminal". Or would you say there was no cronyism in the Union? Everyone, like cherubim, fluttered over "existence"?). Yes, and the bloggers of the "zero" dug up their slops in the same "network garbage dump".
In general, there is no "golden mean" - either they blamed the Union as an "evil empire", or they sing it - as an ideal image, that is, the kingdom of God on Earth. About an unbiased approach ... no, they have not heard.

[Negro]

Quote: Dismas

In general, there is no "golden mean" - either they blamed the Union as an "evil empire", or they sing it - as an ideal image, that is, the kingdom of God on Earth. About an unbiased approach ... no, they have not heard.

It's very funny, but the best advertising of the scoop was the 90s. And not in the sense that in Soviet times, oh-oh-oh, but in the 90s horror-horror. However, all the 90s Soviet social systems continued to work under completely extreme conditions - education, healthcare, transport, housing and communal services, cops, the army, etc. At the very least, VERY at the very least, but everything held on. Rockets, by the way, flew into space, a trifle but nice.

But in the era of getting up from your knees and a raw-material superpower, problems suddenly began. Schools are being optimized here, hospitals there, oops, the money has run out in retirement, show understanding, let's collect SMS messages for the treatment of a child in Germany, etc. etc.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dismas

About an unbiased approach ... no, they have not heard.

What is unbiased? Like Putin - the scoop, we seem to respect it for the time being, but there will be no return to socialism and a review of the results of privatization. And in general, there are repressions and a gulag, but we have a third way and getting up from our knees with election promises to build a paradise on earth if again the damned zarad does not interfere. Which constantly forces bureaucrats to rob the state, and effective managers to squeeze the last out of stolen enterprises and impoverished people. So let's win!

[single-n]

as we had in the late 90s - in general, there was NOT A SINGLE machine-tool plant in 2000 - there was nothing to restore and nothing!

Okay, fill it up. In our city, the machine-tool building went bankrupt in 2009. Now there is a mall. You can check out the Lipetsk Machine Tool Plant.

It is impossible to restore what was destroyed to zero without factories, and they began to be built only in 2000,

Weird. And in our country, for example, the tractor plant was finished off in 2004-2009. The last workshop for the production of military equipment was closed either in 2020 or in 2019. The pipe plant was also broken in 2000. The starter engine plant was also converted into a shopping center not so long ago.
In the same Krasnoyarsk, the harvester plant lived quite well in the 2000s, by the way, it was also crushed in 2008-2010. You can see it in the output. in 2008 - 1,9 thousand, and after only 2 years 197!!! Fall 10 TIMES!!! By the way, do you remember WHO was the prime minister then? It even became interesting, but how many factories were closed in 2008-2012? And then we have 5 pieces in the city.
And with the Krasnoyarsk plant, everything is so interesting. in 2009 they are actually bankrupt, in 2014 they transfer production such as we are reviving production, and the territory is under construction. BUT production at the new location did not go. Again bankruptcy. in 2021. What about import substitution? BUT? No, you haven't heard. But the wheel was built in Moscow.
There is such an interesting story with tractor production. In fact, the entire industry turned out to be in the same hands, and even guess where it is registered? Right in Cyprus. There the plot is so dashing that even the FSB was connected. But there the leading military factories turned out to be dirty.
Read about such an interesting character - Mikhail Bolotin. Maybe then you will find out WHERE all these hundreds of "Armata" and other things.
By the way, there is one of the son-in-law of Nikita Mikhalkov involved in the affairs of the concern, Albert Bakov. This is the one who talks about patriotism and teaches how to love your homeland.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Single-n

This is the one who talks about patriotism and teaches how to love your homeland.

This is the most wickedness. These faces that openly trade in the Motherland and the people teach us patriotism.

[Lelik 56]

Well, yes, right now they just rushed, not like in Moscow. Secret info: at times up to 80.000 workers worked in the Soviet Union on the face of URALMASH plants, and now 6000. The boy got lost in three pines - you need to watch the telly less.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from N3onMiami

The fact that then everything was gouged is not an excuse at all.
In 20 years, with competent leadership, and, most importantly, if desired, it was possible not only to restore everything, but also to completely reach the level of economic and social development of a number of European, even Scandinavian, countries.
After the Second World War, when the country lay in ruins, after 12 years the first satellite flew, and after another 4 years the first man went into space. It's like that, think about it.

Sir ... What, just did the whole country lay in ruins from Brest to Vladivostok?

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Kapets where did you get such information from?) our plant just started working in the 80s and much has not changed since the days of the USSR, but the damned Bolsheviks put bad pipes, they stood for 40 years in total) and the poor capitalists should change now

[Lelik 56]

Don't be responsible for everyone. My friends and I have never voted for EP. and P.

[N3onMiami]

So neither do I.
By "we", I meant all citizens of the Russian Federation. It doesn't matter who voted how, in the end we have what we have.

[2 Level Advisor]

well, there is another way to achieve 60-70-80-90% .. as an example .. there are 1000 aircraft, 100 of them are modern - 10%.. we reduce the number to 200 pieces, leaving modern ones and voila - 50% modern in the report it became in a year .. although in fact there were 1000 units, and it became 200 units .. as for, for example, the Air Force - you can see the number of cars in 1993 and 2022 ...

[Konnick]

well, there is another way to achieve 60-70-80-90% .. as an example .. there are 1000 aircraft, 100 of them are modern - 10%.. we reduce the number to 200 pieces, leaving modern ones and voila - 50% modern in the report it became in a year .. although in fact there were 1000 units, and it became 200 units .. as for, for example, the Air Force - you can see the number of cars in 1993 and 2022 ...

Ha, that's what was done with attack helicopters. Mi-24 was built 2648 pieces. Over a thousand have been exported. Now, instead of 1500 Mi-24 attack helicopters, we have 340 units, including Ka-52 and Mi-35.
Uraaa 70% modern.

[Jonny_Su]

Most likely, it was a cunning percentage, designed to show the supreme commander in chief the steadily growing strength of our weapons. I think that there the base was selected correctly or the necessary troops were selected, or the level of modernity (all this was indicated in small print in the notes). This is a real bullshit and the reason is information secrecy, the lack of independent audit and investigations in the media, as well as speculation in secrecy.

[Moneron]

here we have only 2 answers.
1. fraud is a lie.
2. the second one is more terrible and dangerous for the country - complete incompetence with online living in a rainbow virtual world.

[AdAstra]

Another third is recruitment and, as a result, sabotage.

[Foundling]

Not at all. Probably just dementia

[astronom1973n]

It would also be interesting to consider the issue of communications. And their compliance with the required level of combined arms combat.

[Alex 1970]

The war, like a litmus test, brought all the verbal husks and loud statements about "unparalleled in the world" to clean water. By the way, where is the Peresvet laser? After all, it even happened that the tests passed and he was ready to burn everyone and everything. Didn't someone here write about this? By the way, recently something has not been heard of our bravura herald.

[zenion]

Alexei 1970. In the Bible it is written in human language that Lazarus punched an oak tree. They could not find him, but then he began to smell so strong that they found him by smell, revived him, and instead of Lazarus, he became a laser. Now he lights candles, but then he stopped doing it, the fat ran out. There is no light from Peresvet.

[Sasha1979]

"Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?". Somewhere... On the road...

[Lykases1]

I heard the expression from several bloggers and tend to agree with it. It does not happen that the management of a yacht and an apartment with an exorbitant price, and in the army there is modern equipment. Nobody canceled the law of conservation of matter.

[Proctologist]

I have very strong doubts about the modernity of Russian aviation. Although the very concept of "modernity" is vague, there are no clear criteria, but I define it as an opportunity to solve actual combat missions of the current war, and not the availability of technologies newer than 2000, for example.

What is required from aviation? It is safe, if not entering the enemy air defense strike zone or entering, but not allowing this air defense to work properly (be invisible to him, suppress electronic warfare), effectively strike. Efficient = highly accurate if we have any concern for collateral damage.

Destroy the bridge, for example. Tunnel. Headquarters. Or moving targets - a column on the march in the rear.

AND?....

[zenion]

Proctologist. Modern means at this time, it is. When it was born - it does not matter, even if it is on crutches, it is considered modern. Even after they bury them, they will say - he lived in our time, a contemporary.

[Proctologist]

Quote: zenion

Modern means at this time, it is.

From this point of view, yes, the Gazelle is a modern car.

[fiberboard]

The author, but now any child knows that the USSR produced only galoshes. This is what an old man told us from the screen.

[Foundling]

Dementia isn't just for Biden. Alas, age brings surprises sometimes

[Boris55]

Quote: R. Skomorokhov

Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?

Ukraine, among other things, which is mentioned many times on the forum, is also a testing ground for identifying vulnerabilities in enemy weapons. The West is not in a hurry to demonstrate its modern weapons, allegedly referring to the "stupidity" of the Ukrainians, so why should we, for our part, provide them with such an opportunity? Ukraine is just the beginning. Big war ahead. We need to save something for her.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Boris55

We need to save something for her.

And the women give birth to us fighters. Ah, no. They don't give birth. We have a demographic ass.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Well, go to bed and die. The author is unfamiliar with the saying - the old horse does not spoil the furrow .. I am familiar with the guys from the musicians who trophyed the western stalker and tried it ... the reviews were extremely obscene. Yes, and the prisoners themselves speak very negatively about it. Difficult. they look beautiful but capricious. Whether it’s a trouble-free AK-74. Old baby bassoons tear modern leopards like a heating pad. It’s not for nothing that Olaf the king of heaven rests his horns on the supply of Khokhlami leopards. In Russia, they don’t build good roads because there are Urals. The entire Western military auto industry is bogged down in the mud of Ukraine, and ours are crawling very cheerfully. All our equipment is adapted to the war. Easy to operate and technologically advanced in production. And most importantly maintainable in any conditions. I saw a video of how the T-7 engine was changed in the field. Two and a half hours by the crew. I won’t say about the rest, and I clicked on so much. In one I’m right. Unconditionally. Managers in uniform. Recently, information about Shoigu’s daughter slipped through. That’s a smart girl. .

[AdAstra]

But it won’t plow deep either, so does it sound full, right?

[zenion]

Alexey Alekseev_2. Now, if they didn’t remember someone’s daughter, they would get a plus five, or even a hundred. And remember - got three. This strange daughter was given to you!

[Alf]

Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2

That's why they don't build good roads in Russia because there are Urals.

But for some reason you bought a foreign car, and not the Urals ...

[alexey alexeyev_2]

I would have bought it and the Urals. If I could fit in the garage.

[Egg]

Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2

And why the author does not like Ural4320. In Russia, they don’t build good roads because there are Urals. The entire Western military auto industry is bogged down in the mud of Ukraine, and ours are crawling very cheerfully.

I don’t like the fact that despite the “military machine”, this is still more of a civilian technique.
Lack of booking: protection of the crew, protection of components and assemblies even from small arms, not to mention fragmentation, lack of protection for the crew from a blast wave and shrapnel during mine explosions. And is this a war machine? I’m generally silent about KAMAZ ... there the first mine is the death of the driver, and the automatic burst pierces the cabin right through.

[EFIM LYUBIN]

One Great Man from the past Russia voiced a thought that was great in content - what is happening in Russia can be described in one word STEAL! Nothing has changed in over 200 years! The author is either very naive or does not know the history of his homeland!

[zenion]

Here they grabbed minus 4. Although in the minus, but still a big assessment, as they looked into the water. If they remembered ischo someone's daughter and so on, then it would definitely be minus 100.

[svp67]

Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?

This question has been tormenting me since February 24, when I saw WHAT equipment was moving in our columns. But only a small part of our Armed Forces entered, but which simply had to be equipped with all the latest, because it was led by contract soldiers, not conscripts

According to our tank expert Alexei Kuznetsov, the T-80BVM and T-90/T-90M can be considered modern tanks in the Russian army.

This is where I disagree with Alexei, forgive Alexei. T-72B3, especially model 2016, can also be attributed to this category. And I would be glad if our columns consisted of them, but they were full of T-72A ... (((

All other self-propelled guns (“Peony”, “Malka”, “Hyacinth”, “Acacia”, “Carnation” and further down the list) cannot be considered modern, since the most important thing for artillery today is missing: the possibility of high-precision shooting. There are no modern guidance systems, no modern control systems, no guided and corrected munitions.

The author shows his complete ignorance of the materiel.
"Peony" is turning into "Malka" because it is undergoing a serious modernization with the installation of modern controls.
Shooting "Krasnopolye" is carried out from the Soviet 152-mm artillery systems: D20, 2S3M "Acacia". The question is how many 2S3 Akatsia have undergone this modernization, in any case, the UVZ concern has been actively carrying it out for the last two years.
Yes, and the 2S1 "Carnation", like the D-30, has a guided projectile - "Kitolov-2M"
And the author did not mention one more PROBLEM, this is about means of communication, especially the tactical level. That's where the "blockage" is so "blockage"

[wladimirjankov]

I wonder where it is and who has this whaler 2M ?. In any case, it is not visible in the NWO. And did it go into production at all? If he passed the tests and was put into service, this does not mean that he is in the army.

[Beaver]

What kind of society - such an army. Everywhere there are not enough smart and responsible people. But personalities and egoists, whom everyone owes in abundance.

[Konnick]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

Yes, we have no industry, I work at a wood-chemical plant; all equipment is imported, pumps are imported, sanctions were introduced, production almost stopped, because sulfur dioxide, hydrogen peroxide, etc. were supplied from Finland, how did we come to this?

Gaidar advised, Yeltsin picked up, and Putin continued. I remember a report with Luzhkov about new street cleaning equipment, they demonstrate Unimog with all sorts of attachments, the journalist asks the mayor (a vile word) - Why don't we make such equipment ourselves? Luzhkov replies - Let the Germans do it for us, but we will buy .... And from personal experience ... he worked at a good factory, but Khusnullin's friends liked the place, the factory went bankrupt, but the residential complex was not built, it turned out to be a sanitary zone of a thermal power plant. I mean that in addition to the main products, we sometimes carried out orders for the manufacture of complex non-standard equipment such as a tubing layer or a line for processing edges of a rolled profile, which were successfully sold in Europe. And now the old customer calls, asks, who else can do this besides you, says I’m looking for, no one is taken, but there are orders ... that’s how they blew the rest in the last 20 years. In Moscow, Sobyanin has a chip on the transfer of industrial zones to residential ones.

[multicam]

Personal armor protection, of course, is not weapons, but the survival of a fighter on the battlefield depends on their quality. How many sets of Ratnik - 2? Why do the mobilized and not only buy helmets, plates and unloading belts at their own expense? Why is the coloring of cartoons in the eyes of many fighters preferable?
And the UAV???

[erased]

Even with old or not quite new equipment, you can fight and win. If everything is done correctly, according to the mind. But the fact is, the top government is not going to seriously protect the country. And in this case, Almaty from the Coalition will not help either.

[DmSol]

in addition to the fact that the army must be saturated with modern technology, it is also necessary to train personnel in all this economy and conduct combat coordination. That's how strong the American army, let's say, is the fact that it goes over the top to automatism.

[rocket757]

Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?

As always, you will have to start with the fact that many need to be ASKED - Where is the money, "Zin", what was "spent" on ???

[Alex 1970]

In general, comments on the article are like a cross section of society. See how many believers "the tsar is good, only his boyars are deceiving", and judging by the posts, people sincerely believe in this and no arguments convince of anything, just some kind of sect!

[Foundling]

Actually, it is largely thanks to these people that what is happening is happening.

[cmax]

Quote: Alex 1970

In general, comments on the article are like a cross section of society. See how many believers "the tsar is good, only his boyars are deceiving", and judging by the posts, people sincerely believe in this and no arguments convince of anything, just some kind of sect!

You said everything correctly. Although it can be added that the SVO is a summing up of the management of Russia for 22 years. Rating - failed.

[Wildcat]

modern tanks in the Russian army can be considered T-80BVM and T-90 / T-90M. A modern tank is indeed a very complex concept, and so, it is really complex, like a combat vehicle. And it is capable of performing many combat missions with high efficiency.

What can you dance from, comparing our tanks with imported counterparts? Well, first of all, this is the Merkava.

I doubt very much that the respected AlexTV did not tell the author of the article that "there is a KAZ - there is something to compare with; there is no KAZ - there is nothing."
And about the MSA Merkava4, Leclerc and K2, too (he said about Leo2 of the latest modifications, and about Abrams M1A2), IMHO, he said. And about communication, and about navigation. And about providing BREM. (I hardly began to talk about logistics, interaction, intelligence.)
And, probably, the T-80BVM and T-90 / T-90M compared with them.
And he added what the author did not print.

The rest of the parts are the same. For example, in the part about small arms, there is not the slightest mention of the Mosin rifle (and it exists). Sights - from collimators to nightlights - silence.

Well, about "unnecessary drones" silence.

PS That's what struck me the most in the NWO - that the people started, I don't even know how to call it correctly. The people began, turning a blind eye to everything, to the extent possible "transfer the supply of the army to the people" - from socks and turnstiles to drones and sights at the price of a car.

[Evset Magomedov]

If it were not for the Soviet Union, Russia would not have these weapons .... this system is tuned only to theft and corruption ...

[Dilettante_broad_profile]

Where is 70%?
Yes, in the same place as always, in the words of press releases.

By and large, everything rests on the industry destroyed in 30 years. Of course, one can also say about education, but everything is not so clear-cut (more and more often the idea slips that there are normal institutions, it’s just that students come there in order not to join the army or at the behest of their parents).

That in the end, in the end, defense orders are pure feeders for those who need it, and even if, in theory, the Minister of Defense comes in who really wants to rearm the army, he will be faced with the fact that such a request will not be taken out by the missing industry and it will take time, which time will not be .

[dimasik-nl]

I live in the Netherlands, a couple of months ago there was a program on the radio where the presenter told how much property and money were seized from wealthy Russians, probably in total cost this is equal to the budget of Belarus. With this money, or at least for their tax, they could equip not with modern, but with ultra-modern weapons, but as you know, history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: dimasik-nl

how much property and money were arrested from rich Russians

The whole trick is that the system is one around the world. In the same United States, aircraft carriers are being built for many billions of dollars instead of solving social problems. There are more than enough of them. The difference between Russia and the countries of developed capitalism is essentially only that there is more money in the first world and the system of their distribution is slightly more fair, in order to avoid any bad uprisings of the hungry plebs. But this is largely due to the countries of peripheral capitalism, where rogue people work 12 hours 7 days a week for food.

[ratoborets]

No, the difference is that they are "building aircraft carriers" there, and they have more than a dozen of them. We have, in fact, on the move zero. The same HIMARS Americans riveted 540 units and the cost is by no means prohibitive, but less than 4 million per unit.

[Woodman]

According to our tank expert Alexei Kuznetsov, modern tanks in the Russian army can be considered

I’m just clarifying - isn’t this the same expert who suggested opening welded hatches in the tank with a grenade from the inside?

[Robert Suvorov]

Where where ? In Karaganda. We have everything in Karaganda. Found someone to believe 70%. Not a day or a word I did not believe the leadership and I will not be able to. Lies were and are. Theft was and is. Russia throughout its history is based on lies and theft. What did you expect? I am simply amazed at how our poor country is held together and on what. We do not have people in power who want and will really make Russia great. The size of the country in people. Since the birth of power, people have been protected by kings. They went to war and defended themselves. What do we have? Where is dead Europe without gas? Or something else? Fuck they lay down on everything. Their development is beyond our reach. There are different people and different government. So God only knows what will happen next. Because of our rulers, all patriotism is at zero in the country.

[Nik2002]

In modern warfare, it is important to have a comprehensive advantage over the enemy in terms of types and types of weapons. If in some kind of troops modern systems will be at least 100%, while others remain at the same level, then it will be very difficult to win. It is also important that all systems interact with each other and act as a single mechanism.

[Woodman]

Now another question is whether these two types of weapons and equipment will be modern? It really is more difficult.

Well, in order to judge the "modernity" of weapons, it would be nice to at least more or less accurately give the criteria by which this judgment will be made.
For example

modern tanks in the Russian army can be considered T-80BVM and T-90 / T-90M.

Definitely a modern tank would be the T-14 "Armata", if it were. But since it does not exist, we will leave our concept behind the scenes. As well as all the upgrades of the T-72 and T-62.

But in an article a year ago on VO it is stated that the T-72B3

According to its characteristics, it approached the T-90

So why is he left behind the scenes?
Next

Let's go in order. It's hard to play with numbers now

at the beginning of the SVO, the Russian army had 220 T-80BVMs and 117 T-90s of all modifications

I would like to clarify where the author got such numbers from, because he did not provide any links, and a banal query in a search engine gives out much higher numbers.

What can you dance from, comparing our tanks with imported counterparts? Well, first of all, this is the Merkava.
After the Israeli tank, it is quite possible to consider the French Leclerc and the South Korean Black Panther modern.

If we take world analogues, then they (German "Lynx" and "Puma", Korean K-21, Swiss "Piranha") demonstrate an increase in size and thickening of armor

Do the examples cited by the author mean that the armies of the United States, Germany and China (not to mention all the others) have no models of modern heavy and light armored vehicles at all? In my opinion, definitely - yes, they mean. Can I believe this? No I can not. So the mistake is somewhere in the definition of the criteria of modernity.
In my opinion, warning about the error

Not new - modern. Today, many people talk about this topic and many make mistakes.

The author himself, in the end, makes such a mistake.

[Nikolaevich I]

The only pleasant exception is 9P157 Chrysanthemum. This anti-tank complex cannot, but must be considered modern, since dual control (laser + radio channel) allows you not to depend on the situation on the battlefield and weather conditions. Many (including myself) consider Chrysanthemum to be a very strong complex with great potential.
I do not understand such a statement! There are specific criteria that determine the "modernity" of weapons; incl. and anti-tank ...! Incl. and classification "by generation"! Whatever it was, but "Chrysanthemum" can hardly be called a modern weapon! "Cornet" is also not a modern weapon, but it is suitable for use in modern warfare ... so is "Chrysanthemum" ... just a "suitable" weapon! Does "Chrysanthemum" have "modernization" potential? Perhaps there is ... although not "bringing", probably, anti-tank systems from the generation (2+)! 1. This is an anti-tank missile with warheads of the TOW-2B type ... that is, with a SPS that hits armor from the top! But this can be done with the "Cornet" ... more common! Moreover, the "Kornet" 8-10 km are not "khukhra-mukhras"! Then the second(!) remains: 2. Hypersonic anti-tank missiles of kinetic destruction (with a penetrator)! This will make it possible to classify the "Chrysanthemum" as a modern weapon ... the only way (!) ... but not what it is!

[Viktor Sergeev]

And then the author suffered. Modern technology is a technique that meets the modern realities of combat. For example, the modernized Mig29 is modern, the T72 is modern.
If an army armed with junk from the 80s and having collected all the NATO scrap metal is standing against you, then the weapons we used are modern.
Is this a Leclerc modern tank? The Black Panther is a so-so tank, but super expensive. Stick it in Ukraine and see how it burns.

[Negro]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

The Black Panther is a so-so tank, but super expensive. Send it to Ukraine

Do you really want this?

[Viktor Sergeev]

Tornado, Hurricane, Grad are currently excellent, modern systems capable of fulfilling their task. The Mi8 is the most modern helicopter, since nothing better has been invented in the world, the same applies to almost all weapon systems.

[Foundling]

Yes, what is MI-8. Look, the Lada in maintainability will do any Maybach. They have not even mastered the level of our car industry Zhiguli. Where can they compete with us with helicopters?

[Miro_Vladimir_Viktorovich]

It's more real now. Our army was not prepared for big conflicts. The reforms were right on it and aimed at the reduction of divisions and regiments and the formation of brigades - and with a big conflict, mobilization was required. And here everything would be fine - but it turned out to be a very difficult task for the country to provide everything necessary for even one percent of the reserve.
This means that we must prepare ourselves - and the fact that our state is selling the country's resources right and left and at huge discounts - this determines the essence of all power. They can sell - and sell and build pipelines to Europe, Turkey, China. This is the power of capital and we see it.

[Vladi_S]

By and large, it's the same with everything. The Soviet backlog is being eaten away. Maybe somewhere there are inclusions of modern technologies, but this is most likely bought or copied from somewhere else ... The most foul thing is that a normal education has been practically destroyed, which there is no one to restore. Incompetence and degradation of management is now our everything. It's a shame for the country....

[runway-1]

Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?

Where everything else is (lies, window dressing and fraud, and of course corruption + mess).
But in the comments, the trolls-"guards" promptly began their usual work ...

[Ruslan_3]

One whining once again from the author that everything is gone ... I have a couple of questions for the author: 1) why drive modern technology into your own when the old one copes ?? 2) with NATO, in which case, what will you fight with if you rake out all the stocks of modern technology?

[wladimirjankov]

it is necessary to drive modern technology in order to win with little bloodshed. So that our soldiers do not die. But unfortunately there is nothing to drive especially. We have this technique only for parades and exhibitions.

[dnestr74]

You would be in BPM-1 and under the Ukrainian Bucephalus ... To wake up

[Ruslan_3]

Quote: dnestr74

You would be in BPM-1 and under the Ukrainian Bucephalus ... To wake up

Do you think that modern technology is a panacea for all problems and cannot be destroyed? Or, in response to this, the West will not drive modern samples to them in greater numbers ??? And yes answer my questions

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Ruslan_3

Do you think that modern technology is a panacea for all problems and cannot be destroyed?

I think all your guard scum should be given a mosquito for three and sent to storm the fortifications of the Ukronazis.

[Ruslan_3]

Well, it’s clear that you won’t hear anything smart from you

[nerovnayadoroga]

Did they forget to mention the signal troops, or is everything so outdated there that there is nothing to mention !? Apparently so...

[Zaurbek]

% and statistics are a tricky thing. From what number was it considered? From the size of the Army? Army + National Guard? Peacetime or the times of the NWO + LDNR corps?
And so, thanks to the totalitarian USSR, that there are equipment, shells and cartridges in warehouses and storage.

[APASUS]

It was necessary to go through collimators, night sights, UAV equipment, modern means of communication..... But the author correctly did not take engineering equipment into account, IMR 1, from the time of Chapaev and the conquest of Crimea, is still dominant there

[Maks1995]

Good parsing.
Necessary in the light of rosy idealistic hopes for the Kremlin’s new promises after the 24th, in which everyone suddenly believed so much, so believed.....there are no words.
But for some reason they suffered the fate of the Kremlin’s old promises... Why would that be? After all, there was nothing foreshadowing?

Alas, those who did not have rose-colored glasses and were away from power turned out to be right..

[AG-76]

It depends on what “there” is considered modern...
Apparently renovated, repainted old or slightly modernized...
In short, the figure can be reversed - 70% of Soviet junk, which is often half a century old...
And if it weren’t for this legacy, then in terms of the army it’s really a “banana republic” - a formidable army only on paper, but there are a bunch of ranks with large shoulder straps and wide stripes, which are of no use...

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AG-76

It depends on what “there” is considered modern...
Apparently renovated, repainted old or slightly modernized...
In short, the figure can be reversed - 70% of Soviet junk, which is often half a century old...
And if it weren’t for this legacy, then in terms of the army it’s really a “banana republic” - a formidable army only on paper, but there are a bunch of ranks with large shoulder straps and wide stripes, which are of no use...

Well, yes... does the United States have these 70% of the latest weapons?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: Illanatol

Scandinavians... when was the last time they fought in earnest, and who cares anyway? Then these hamsters live happily ever after. The hamster is not a model for the Russian bear.

The last time the Scandinavians fought in earnest was the same time we did - during World War II. I hope you will not deny that Finland is located on the Scandinavian Peninsula? As for the bear, it’s time to moderate your pride. The bear cannot cope with a grunting pig for ten months, receives offensive pokes with his snout in sore spots, but he considered himself equal (if not higher) to a bison and a dragon.

[zenion]

Fighters are still wow. If you wave a stick and a rag under it, it can rise high and even catch up with some types of pigeons. They can even sit where they are accustomed and fly into windows if lured. If you pour grain onto the flyer, it is impossible to tear it off, unless you scare it with a photo of a falcon or other bird of prey.

[Glagol1]

The State Armament Program is a very convenient and legitimate tool for theft and misrepresentation. Trillions were stolen - and all with shoulder straps, orders and dachas. There’s just nothing to fight with except what’s left of the USSR. And so in all spheres of our life, the war simply revealed what had been covered up. I agree with the author, the Su-35 and S-400 are stars. Lonely stars against a dark sky.

[vadim_ivanov]

All this is scary for such a huge country.

[ARCHON]

Good article to the point, what more can I say!

[Alexander_First]

Good and thorough article. If you objectively look at the armament of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces. It is clear that 90% are “Soviet galoshes” (many thanks to the leaders of the USSR)

[Alex katc]

What is the use of a “fire and forget” Javelin if the missile launch reveals the fighter’s position?
“Cornet” allows you to control the launch at a distance from the launch site, plus it is practically impossible to jam the dual guidance beam, and not many enemy tanks have an analogue of “headlights”.
I am silent about the fact that while the homing head is cooling, the tank can already leave...

[certero]

It was listening to such statements from the Ministry of Defense that politicians decided to launch a special operation.
The only thing that is not clear is why, after they were so deceived, no decisions were made?
Only one thing is clear, the country really needs a change of leaders, otherwise we will be screwed

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

I feel that if in a hundred years the Russian army loses to someone, they will blame it on Serdyukov. Hey, Serdyukov has not been a minister for ten years. For ten years now, a true patriot and a Real Man (and by no means a thief), general of the unserved troops, Shoigu, has been responsible for everything. To which the patriotic public had no complaints until the first gestures of goodwill, and our wonderful generals still do not. Ten years. Armies were created from scratch in less time, and quite good armies. Why go far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were created in 8 years not even from scratch, but from negative values.

Serdyukov managed, while stealing (and who doesn’t steal?), to leave behind ready-made platform vehicles “Armata”, “Coalition”, “Kurganets”, “Boomerang”, Su-57. Serdyukov’s reformed army blew away the Ukrainian Armed Forces with one breath of the “North Wind”.

As a result, all parties and coalitions, as inherited from Serdyukov, remain in this state - the state of ceremonial experimental parties. In ten years, it was possible to either bring them to mind and put them into production, or (well, if the damned furniture maker had done something completely worthless), start new developments, but for now at least replace “Acacia” with “Msty”.

Instead, Warhammer temples and rainbow biathlons. Serdyukov was at least withdrawn from the stolen billions (although this is also a question - Western partners seized yachts and villas on the Cote d'Azur from all the Usmanovs and Millers, but allegedly they found nothing of the kind from the billionaire Serdyukov). And who will remove Shoigu for the thousands of dead soldiers, for the shame of the “regroupings”, for the ten months of the “special operation going according to plan”?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

Serdyukov’s reformed army blew away the Ukrainian Armed Forces with one breath of the “North Wind”.

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

Why go far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were created in 8 years not even from scratch, but from negative values.

How cleverly you come up with mutually exclusive paragraphs. The trick is that Serdyukov is essentially a performer and nothing more. And as it turned out, a performer of the level of Chubais, whose effective activities cost the country trillions and enormous human losses. And Shoigu, well, what about Shoigu? The system has rotted and grandfather, like flesh from flesh, blood from blood, simply couldn’t pull it out. Yes, and this is what needs to be done, and not pretend to be a hectic activity.

[Comandor777]

As where? In castles and palaces there are people in uniform.

[Alexey RA]

The worst thing is that even the physical presence of these 70% of modern technology does not guarantee anything. Look, Murz described the situation with communications. According to the papers, everything is fine, the troops are full of new radio stations. In fact, too, there are stations. But there is no connection.
The reason is simple. The developer created a full-fledged structured closed communication network, in which portable radio stations for fighters and small stations on equipment were united by portable and transportable “base” stations that worked as repeaters and switches and provided horizontal and vertical communications via the general network. Just in case, to work in places where communication is unstable, portable stations were given the opportunity to work as repeaters: if one fighter does not have a direct connection with the base station, then he can be contacted in a chain through another portable radio station with which there is a connection.
In fact, out of this entire structure, the troops only have portable stations. There are many of them, the numbers of their availability are pleasing to the eyes of the readers of the reports. But these are only end devices. There are no base stations. As a result, the communication network is organized only at the platoon-company level, and through the left ear - through ersatz repeaters based on portable stations. This network constantly breaks down, as repeaters lose contact with each other when moving around the area.
Moreover, there is no closed communication above the company - portable stations communicate with other types of radio stations only via an open channel.
In general, it’s like giving soldiers smartphones without base stations - let them build a network through the bluetooth.
Here is a picture in which from the communications network structure planned by the developer, in red, what the army did not buy is excluded.

No: no connections “on the long arm”, over 4 km, without installing a chain of repeaters between subscribers. There are no PRFC radio stations on armored vehicles and command and staff vehicles. There is no whole HF segment at all.
There are: infantry portable radio stations operating in VHF at a distance of up to 4 km, which can be helped by lifting the same radio station into the air on an UAV. Let's leave it on the conscience of the warriors of the pen how, over the years of pear “up to 4 km”, “portable-portable” communications in the area turned into “4 or more kilometers” and “from 4 kilometers”. Physics does not read newspapers. BEFORE. Up to 4 km. With a very good terrain and location of stations. The average is about 2,5 km.
That is, the system, not on the diagram, but which was actually adopted by our army, really has no analogues in the world, it is unique. This is a monstrous dummy, which is devoid of a base, devoid of a powerful network of repeaters and HF stations, devoid of radio stations integrated into tank intercoms (TPU or AVSK as they have become fashionably called).

© Murz

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Alexey RA

The worst thing is that even the physical presence of these 70% of modern technology does not guarantee anything.

The worst thing is that even the traditional strong 146% does not guarantee anything if you constantly make gestures of goodwill, regroupings, organize positional wars and other brilliant moves of tactical and strategic thought for the sake of a friendly unity of the VPR and other oligarchs that do not exist.

[Alf]

Quote: Foundling

Maybe he meant the general’s personal fleet of vehicles. There is 100% rearmament

And it is constantly rearming...So to speak, in accordance with global trends.

[wladimirjankov]

Of course, if you pay the main attention and invest money for the most part only in the development of nuclear weapons, and on combined arms on a residual basis (which is what we have been doing for the last 30 years), then this is how everything should be. There is nothing surprising here. For some reason, the country's leadership and the army command have always assumed that if a war happens, it will be nuclear and conventional combined arms weapons will not have much significance. Therefore, the bulk of the funds went specifically to the creation and improvement of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles, their carriers (nuclear submarines, new mobile and silo-based missile systems, etc.), new missile defense and air defense systems. They believed that the more of them we had, the less there would be those who would want to start any kind of war with us. Considering the exorbitant prices at which these weapons were developed and purchased, it becomes clear that there was simply not enough money in the budget to purchase modern conventional weapons. This imbalance led to the situation we now have. There is a real war going on, and we cannot use nuclear weapons. We have to fight with what we have left from the times of the USSR. The events in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, and Ukraine since 2014 have not taught us anything. Our government did not draw practical conclusions and did not change its defense strategy. This is what our soldiers are now paying for, fighting mainly with weapons made in the 60s and 80s. Not having a sufficient number of modern means of communication, reconnaissance, detection, target designation, counter-battery warfare, UAVs, high-precision, guided and long-range artillery. systems, MLRS, etc. The training and competence of the high command and the General Staff also raises questions, due to obvious errors in the planning of the SVO and the organization of its implementation. To change the situation and defeat Bandera, it is necessary to rebuild on the fly, mobilize all of our remaining industry, military-industrial complex enterprises in the first place, optimally build logistics and supplies for the army, ruthlessly get rid of mediocre, narrow-minded and incapable of fulfilling their duties people in the command, the General Staff, the military-industrial complex , government. And in the end, begin to involve personnel units consisting of conscripts who have served for six months or more in combat operations. It’s some kind of nonsense to have an army that cannot be used in the Northern Military District. War is a matter for the young, healthy, motivated and prepared. They will always be better than mobilized 40-50 year old men who have long forgotten how to hold a machine gun in their hands and who will always think first of all about their children, wives, and parents left behind in the rear. Remember the video about our 11 bearded mobilized soldiers in Makeyevka, who resignedly, as if to the slaughter, went out, lay down and surrendered to the Nazis, hoping to survive, but the monsters killed them all while they were lying down. The kingdom of heaven be theirs and God will be their judge. And we all remember about the 9th company of our conscript paratroopers in Chechnya, who all died fighting, but did not surrender to an enemy outnumbering them.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: wladimirjankov

Considering the exorbitant prices at which these weapons were developed and purchased, it becomes clear that there was simply not enough money in the budget to purchase modern conventional weapons.

You quickly forgot about the 300 billion money donated to the Western friends of the guarantor.

[Radical]

Where are 70% of modern weapons in the troops?

Where where...? Usually such questions in Russia are answered rudely and not literary... . But seriously, really - where?

[Radical]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Well, where? There is only one answer. On the paper. Subscriptions and lies. The main thing is to say it smartly. Now we are seeing the consequences of the work of the same effective managers only in uniform. And none are properly punished. Zampotylu, somehow Hero of Russia TYLOVIK ???? Became an inspector for failures in work. What to say…. The vertical is our everything….

What are you talking about, or who are you talking about, my dear? In the old days, a certain Joseph Dzhugashvili, later Stalin, the head of the Soviet state, if you are not aware, personally controlled the development, production, and supply of modern models and types of weapons to the Red Army. Any General Designer or director of a defense plant could call him directly and outline the problems he encountered. Subsequently, and after the Victory, this practice was adopted in the USSR. And now? And now the head is content with the fact that the author of the tank biathlon and the minister-sociologist of the Ministry of Industry and Trade will report to him. Maybe that's why 71 percent appeared? If it were not for “SVO”, then next year the number of 80, 85 percent might have appeared, in general - in increasing order. Well, then his sphere of interests lies in the area that is closer, clearer, and dearer to him, it warms his soul - this is where cash flows flow, from where, and where, the main thing is that in the “right” direction, the export of precious metals outside the border, friend Erdogan, corefan Macron, etc., etc. Feel the difference!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Radikal

In the old days, a certain Joseph Dzhugashvili, later Stalin, the head of the Soviet state, if you are not aware, personally controlled the development, production, and supply of modern models and types of weapons to the Red Army. Any General Designer or director of a defense plant could call him directly and outline the problems he encountered.

And as a result, in 1940, following the results of the SFV, a certain Joseph Dzhugashvili bitterly stated that the USSR did not have a modern army.

Quote: Radikal

And now the head is content with the fact that the author of the tank biathlon and the minister-sociologist of the Ministry of Industry and Trade will report to him.

Well, the temporary detention center trusted Voroshilov’s reports in the same way. Who was kicked out of the Red Army following the results of the victorious SFV for the USSR.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Alexey RA

Well, the temporary detention center trusted Voroshilov’s reports in the same way. Who was kicked out of the Red Army following the results of the victorious SFV for the USSR.

There, at least the system made it possible to mobilize the efforts of the entire state in the right direction. And now? All these Kremlin towers with their economic interests are fighting among themselves in Ukraine. Although in theory they should fight Ukrainian Nazism. What did the ancients say? “A kingdom divided within itself will not stand.”

[Reducer]

Everything is clear with interest. It wouldn’t be too bad to get an answer where 20 trillion is. safely mastered this wonderful action!

[alexey_444]

Damn, they're so small. There was a cartoon where one greedy uncle wanted 7 hats to be sewn for him. The army cannot say what is not expected of it, like any dependent structure. When you have a budget of 60 billion dollars, it’s simply stupid to calculate how much modern weapons cost and it’s clear that they don’t exist, but any boss in any country doesn’t like bad news from subordinates. Americans, by the way, when we wanted to allocate 20 trillion and didn’t worry about it at first, we thought a third would be stolen, a third would be spent on reviving production, and the rest would produce a single something, there’s nothing to be afraid of. But it turned out, thanks to Putin (which is why they have an animal hatred for him) that not everything was stolen and they didn’t lose their competencies everywhere, so they got their ace in the form of Ukraine.

[Radical]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Radikal

In the old days, a certain Joseph Dzhugashvili, later Stalin, the head of the Soviet state, if you are not aware, personally controlled the development, production, and supply of modern models and types of weapons to the Red Army. Any General Designer or director of a defense plant could call him directly and outline the problems he encountered.

And as a result, in 1940, following the results of the SFV, a certain Joseph Dzhugashvili bitterly stated that the USSR did not have a modern army.

Quote: Radikal

And now the head is content with the fact that the author of the tank biathlon and the minister-sociologist of the Ministry of Industry and Trade will report to him.

Well, the temporary detention center trusted Voroshilov’s reports in the same way. Who was kicked out of the Red Army following the results of the victorious SFV for the USSR.

Your petty arguments, in the style of a guarantor, do not detract from the role of the generalissimo in the Victory. You would also screw up about galoshes, except for which, according to your kurbashi, nothing was produced in the USSR, although now they are fighting with the help of such “galoshes”, and not using models and ceremonial models that have no analogues in the RF Armed Forces.

[heber]

You know, when during the SVO, an event called “Tank Biathlon” is held, and in Ukraine our guys die in real combat operations. What kind of leadership can one write and talk about?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Previous generation aircraft successfully perform all assigned tasks

Because in the command, after all, there are not completely idiots sitting and setting the tasks that the planes can accomplish. In fact, they work on LBS, mostly with unguided weapons, and don’t even think about targets in the rear. The air defense and air force of Ukraine (themselves extremely archaic), contrary to the boastful statement of the early days, continue to exist and work. Nothing but missiles reaches the Ukrainian rear.

If the Americans or even some French were in our place, they would set themselves completely different tasks. For example, there would not have been a single bridge across the Dnieper for a long time.

[Vlad Bel]

Everything new that was created and exhibited was in fact intended only for propaganda and export. Therefore, the Indian army has 90 times more T-10 tanks than the Russian army.

[Zurba Gun]

Did all the carousels really burn down??? But seriously, who believes in the current media!??? Well, only if the main electorate is pensioners.... Well, they don’t give a fuck about all these troubles with military technologies...

[ilpine]

The Ministry of Finance does not give very much money, again based on the country’s budget. And then everything is divided according to priorities - the nuclear triad (primarily the construction of submarines and strategic missiles), air defense in various versions, aerospace forces, and what’s left goes to support the ground forces. And then there are delays in financing, often bankruptcies, budget cuts, crises - in general, not everything is as beautiful as we would like. Hence the numbers, that is, it is modern in the priority types of troops, and the rest is simply modernization.

[Baobabus]

Quote from N3onMiami

We chose them ourselves and supported these 20 years.

Them or HIM? There are no "them". There is a rule of one person for 20 years.
But even if you didn’t choose and didn’t support, do you think anything would have changed? Over there, in Belarus, they recently tried not to choose...

[Vladimir100]

What do you think is the reason that a democratic people's government cannot come to power in Russia?

[Baobabus]

This is a very good question. Maybe the Russians simply haven’t grown up to this historically yet. Maybe in resource-rich countries, democratic rule is more of a utopia than a reality. Maybe the authorities are so entrenched that they simply won’t allow themselves to be replaced. Or maybe all of this combined.

[Negro]

Quote from: Baobabus

, in resource-rich countries, democratic rule is more a utopia than a reality.

As for example in Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, Norway.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Negro

As for example in Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, Norway.

Why not the USA, or is the standard of democracy no longer the standard after all the crap that has been going on there in recent years?

[Negro]

In the giant American economy, resource extraction accounts for a very small share. And extremely dangerous trends in the EU are progressing much faster, including because they cause an order of magnitude less noise. You know about “bullshit” precisely because in America there are different opinions on all issues, and they sound very loud.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

What do you mean by democracy? She's actually very different. Was there democracy in ancient slave-owning Greece? Was. But only rich men had voting rights. Is there democracy in bourgeois society? Eat. But whoever has the most money wins the elections. Bourgeois elections are a battle of wallets.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

What is "people's government"? The oligarch and the miner are people, but they have completely opposite interests. "The state is an apparatus of violence in the hands of the ruling class." Now the ruling class is the capitalist class. Do you want a government that defends the interests of the majority of the population? Then the ruling class should be representatives of the corresponding classes

[NightmareIvanych]

Are you tired of asking questions into the void yet? Everything is going according to plan... well, you understand...

[Pantsuy]

The article is good. But more details on individual systems with photographs attached would look even more interesting. Despite the fact that many people do not like “a lot of letters”.

[timokhin-aa]

It won’t work, this is now a criminal article

[drago36]

Look in the pockets of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov.

[Mstivoy]

The restless Skomorokhov churns out identical topics in order to find out where and how much, and most importantly, when they will use the latest weapons of the Russian Federation in the Northern Military District! I think the answer is obvious, exactly in the same place where f22, f35, Arbams, Leclercs, Leopards and all the latest Western developments are used.

[savage3000]

maybe it's not worth trying? otherwise we were already so sick from the javelins and khimars that we abandoned the Antonov bridge.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Mstivoy

I think the answer is obvious, exactly in the same place where f22, f35, Arbams, Leclercs, Leopards and all the latest Western developments are used.

Why are we already at war with NATO? Why would they use all this against us? And yet, highmars have already been brought to Ukraine. And somehow they are not as ineffective as the filthy security officials said about them.

[alexey sidykin]

Even the richest states with their own printing press are not able to have 70% of new weapons... The novel has finally slipped into criticism for the sake of criticism... Got a taste for it?

[Horn]

Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev

A very strange approach. I remember very well what Russia and its army represented in 2000 and naturally did not vote for Putin. How could I vote for someone who comes from Yeltsin. But I voted for him with pleasure in 2012, because I had something to compare: 2000 and 2012. He pulled the country out of complete shit and is he a bad leader? Where is the logic?

No one was pulled out. There was just so much money that they didn’t have time to steal everything. I had to give crumbs “to the people.”

[Horn]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

But it, this new one simply does not exist, except for exhibition toys ...

Are you ready to prove these words documented? Or is it just your opinion? I would like to know what it is based on. Why do you think that the Defense Ministry is ready to tell anything without concealing even classified information to the general public? This is a purely Western attitude: oh, the Russians showed us another cartoon! And then - oh, it turns out that the "Sarmat" has already entered service with them. Yes, how can they create hypersonic weapons, they are backward, these Russians! Oops, do they have that?!
Come on, prove your words about "exhibition toys".

Are you ready to prove the opposite?

[Horn]

Quote: Negro

Quote from: Baobabus

, in resource-rich countries, democratic rule is more a utopia than a reality.

As for example in Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, Norway.

What's wrong with these monarchies?

[alexey sidykin]

It’s such an impression that all the Facebook people have fled to VO. I have never seen such overwhelming hatred towards Putin personally anywhere else from our people. Well, maybe at Bolotnaya, 11th from the liberda with the leftists...

[Vladimir 1961]

But millionaires appear like mushrooms after rain. The government is making sure that the Westerners have enough gas, oil, and metals ---- hats off, gentlemen

[Lako]

Well, that's it, off we go...... off to the buds. You are also pro-World War I. Some die on the front line, while others, behind their backs, throw shit at everyone. Some people here remember the entire Soviet era. Well, remember the real military conflicts in which the USSR participated and its readiness for war - the Finnish company, the beginning of the Second World War. And this is without the oligarchs and with his beloved Joseph Vissarionovich.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

The first was lost because the industry was useless (google the table of weapons produced by the parties to the conflict, there, in addition to the production of rifles and cartridges for them, the Republic of Ingushetia lags behind in everything by 5-10 times, and some positions were not even produced), because at the time when the front lacked guns and supplies, private effective managers, and simply speculators, raised the prices for guns and supplies by 2-4 times, because the people, mostly illiterate, hungry and flogged, did not understand that they were dying, no military there was no success, and having a 2-3 times advantage over the enemy, they did nothing but defend themselves, but at the same time they cheerfully reported on their successes in defense.

[Sergey39]

Based on reviews of Skomorokhov’s next article, fans of his work have gathered!
The article, as always, looks depressing!
“Everything is gone, the plaster is being removed...!”
Was Skomorokhov’s definition of the term, new models of technology, defined by himself?
Any new technology is mainly created using existing technology, and only the latest developments based on new principles can be considered the latest technology, and it still relies on existing developments!
It’s strange why the author remained silent about the T 73B3 tank. This modernized tank meets modern requirements, taking into account the replacement of the engine, gun, installation of new firing devices, installation of additional armor, and the last batch of modernized tanks sent to the front was hung with new additional armor. armor. So compare the cost of the T72B3 with the T14.
There are many other types of weapons that correspond to modern warfare. American weapons with their bells and whistles are always more expensive and harder to operate on the battlefield!
Yes, in Ukraine, their small arms, Javelins, 3 axes, self-propelled guns of various modifications, and even the praised Hymers have their own problems in operation and repair!
It seems that many are accustomed to defining modern military equipment on paper and promotional videos, and not by actually using it on the battlefield!!!

[savage3000]

T-72b3 corresponds??? Are you kidding me??? yes, you're kidding me.
and as clear evidence of this is the appearance of the T-72B3M. or whatever it's called.

T-90m corresponds and only it. everything else is mothballs. and the tank guys, unfortunately, are dying.

[savage3000]

A laser beam has long ceased to be something prohibitively difficult to suppress, and if we take the same “Javelin” as modernity, there are no questions for the “Cornet”.
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author, are you sure you are on topic? Maybe arrange an educational program before writing an article? What are you planning to suppress in the cornet and what does the javelin have to do with the cornet???


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Air defense troops subordinate to the Aerospace Forces. Everything here is more luxurious than in the air defense of the Ground Forces. Complexes S-400 "Triumph", S-350 "Vityaz", S-300V, "Buk-M2", "Buk-M1-2", "Pantsir" S1 and S2.
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author, are you sure you are on topic? S-300V is a military air defense system. Buk - military.

The article is a bit illiterate, there is no analysis or numbers. but the message is clear. You can even agree. but why write an article for this??

[Negro]

)))
I didn’t bother to come here yesterday, I thought from the title - a usual article for this author in the genre of new realism (the plywood marshal slept through the polymers).

It turns out no, Comrade Skomorokhov is embellishing reality. Let's go through his list. Let’s not even talk now about the army’s key technical problems, which are not mentioned here at all.

Tanks.

It’s quite funny to read that the T-90 and T-80, both from the 70s, are modern, but Western cars from the 80s with the latest upgrades are not modern. Moreover, right now it is very easy to determine what a modern tank is. A modern tank has a KAZ.

Such tanks are not produced in Russia.

Cross out.

Artillery.

What makes artillery modern is a combat information and control system, at least on a tactical scale. She doesn't exist at all. Some solutions from enthusiasts on their knees on Chinese commercial quadcopters and Android tablets. Battalion level.

Cross out.

MLRS.

MLRS is outdated as a class. It is being converted into tactical missile systems. According to rumors, there should be a Tornado with such capabilities, but in practice the S-300 is used as an OTRK.

Cross out.

Light armor. Everything is simple here. If the equipment is at the leading edge, then the wheels cannot weigh less than 20 tons, the geese cannot weigh less than 30. The near-rear equipment is MRAP.

Modern armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are not produced in the Russian Federation. MPAP - in microscopic quantities.

Cross out.

Anti-tank systems.

The modern complex is a roof-breaker shot and forgotten. Not produced in Russia.

Cross out.

Army air defense

Typically, army air defense refers to C-RAM/SHORAD systems. In the RF Armed Forces it should have been Tunguska. There are some doubts about its capabilities and quantity in parts, as well as tactics of use. The author also included the Buk with the S-300. The modernity of these systems is not such a simple matter - they have never faced a modern enemy, even at the level of the 80s of the last century.

We leave it questionable.

Electronic intelligence

Based on the results of 10 months of the SVO, we can assume that it was entirely made up. On the other hand, the question is too special to be stated in a few words.

We leave it questionable.

Weapon

We cross it out. The author is right, it’s relatively decent only with machine guns.

fighter aircraft

Let me tell the author that the fifth generation is entering its third decade. A modern 4+ generation fighter is an AFAR (without options) + modern weapons.

Cross out.

Front Bombers

Outdated as a class. We cross it out.

Strategic Aviation

Outdated as a class. We cross it out.

Transport aircraft

Not produced. We cross it out.

Helicopters.

Helicopters have now occupied a narrow niche - direct support in missions more complex than just getting Helfire to where it needs to be. The remaining tasks, the vast majority, are solved by drones or, conversely, large aircraft with high precision. We can say that the Ka-52 is not so bad. But this does not change the fact that the Russian Federation has no direct aviation support at all.

Cross out.

Air defense troops subordinate to the VKS/Radio-technical troops of the VKS

Both of these are the electronics industry, which does not exist in the Russian Federation. I would cross it out, but these systems never passed an exam against a strong enemy.

As a favor, we'll leave it in question.

I repeat, we didn’t even mention the really key systems - BIUS, space and much more.

What's left there? Just machine guns? Wonderful. Give me two.