The transfer of Leopard-2 tanks to Ukraine is possible: you should not wait with trepidation, but you need to be ready

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Source: rare-gallery.com
Source: rare-gallery.com

As they say, this has never happened, and here it is again. In general, talk about the fact that the German government is already at a low start and is sleeping and seeing how to quickly transfer Leopards-2 to Ukraine appears before each announcement of the next package of military assistance to Kiev. However, even without a reason, such headlines are periodically full of large media.

More recently, a new round of passions around the German steel "cat" has begun, but at a more official level. It all started with the fact that about a week ago, the German newspaper Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung published an article stating that the United States was allegedly not particularly against the fact that Germany would start deliveries of Leopards-2 to Ukraine, they say, if you make such a decision, then go ahead and with a song. Such an unspoken agreement was reached between Biden's national security adviser Sullivan and Scholz's foreign policy adviser Pletner back in October.



News made a lot of noise - mainly among the Ukrainian media. But the long-awaited "Leopards" in the latest package of military assistance to Ukraine at the moment did not appear.

And here the question arises: can they transfer something? And then what to do with this goodness?

Cheaper to exchange than to give directly


There is no need to be under any illusions. In fact, NATO can transfer everything to Ukraine, including the notorious Leopards-2. And practice shows this bad trend. If in the first months of the special military operation, Washington was seriously afraid of the escalation of the conflict and kept Kiev on a cut-down "ration", then later the same HIMARS, self-propelled artillery mounts, air defense systems, and so on have already become an objective reality. Of course, you need to believe in the best, but you need to prepare for the worst - obviously it will not be superfluous.

But in the near future, the Leopards should not be expected, and there are several reasons for this.

So far, quite frankly, a strong deficit tanks for Ukraine no. You can say as much as you like that NATO is literally on its knees from a lack of weapons, but the North Atlantic Alliance is able to send a couple of hundred heavy combat vehicles to its eastern neighbor. Moreover, the Soviet model - without fear of the very escalation of the conflict.

So, for example, preparations are already in full swing for the repair and deep modernization of the T-72 in the amount of 90 units in the Czech Republic. The Pentagon and the Dutch government agreed to buy them for Kyiv - each side will pay for 45 tanks.

Source: topwar.ru
Source: topwar.ru

Slovenia is ready to hand over about 30 M-84s (the Yugoslav version of the T-72). The government of this country estimated its military property very cheaply. 28 M-55S (deep modernization of the T-55) have already left for Ukraine in exchange for German trucks and tankers. The “eighty-fourths” can also follow for a bribe in the form, again, of German armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. But here, by the way, one of the limiting factors is not their most satisfactory condition, however, they can put on the move.

Tank M-84. Source: wikipedia.org
Tank M-84. Source: wikipedia.org

The Slovaks will also give their “seventy-two” to the mountain if they wish and with a worthy reward. Previously, the issue with their tanks had already been raised, and the Slovak government was ready to sacrifice its armored vehicles in exchange for the German Leopards-2, but in the end they sent only infantry fighting vehicles to Kiev, but the issue hung with the tanks - they demanded an equivalent exchange from the German side. No progress has yet been observed in this matter, but with a mutual agreement, everything can be resolved.

The situation is similar in Poland. There, the stock of T-72 vehicles is enough for several battalions of a complete set, but, as in the case of the Slovaks, the issue rests on payment in kind.

The Polish PT-91 Twardy is a deeply modernized tank of the T-72 series. Source: wikipedia.org
The Polish PT-91 Twardy is a deeply modernized tank of the T-72 series. Source: wikipedia.org

Croats and even Macedonians also have "seventy-two". Also, Romania, with due "pressure", can provide its modernized T-55s.

The stock of Soviet-type tanks in NATO countries gives some confidence that in the near future our military will not face any Leopard-2s or even Abrams on the battlefield. And for the Germans, this state of affairs is actually quite beneficial. And that's why.

According to The Military Balance 2022, in the German Bundeswehr in active service, that is, actively used and included in the state of mechanized units, there are only 284 Leopard-2 tanks. Of these, 225 vehicles of modifications 2A5 and 2A6, as well as 59 units of modernization 2A7 / 2A7V. Most likely, even the most notorious "hawks" in the German government will not dare to withdraw them from the units, exposing entire battalions.

Hence the conclusion that under the "mobilization" can fall into storage cars - the old "Leopards" of the 2A4 series. At the beginning of 2022, that is, before all the events related to the special operation in Ukraine, the Germans had 55 of them. These are exactly the tanks that are in a state of full complement and after the depreservation can get on the move without any lengthy repair work and so on. At the same time, in addition to the official list number of these tanks, there are a number (perhaps dozens of units) of unaccounted for copies that require deep repairs and bringing them to running condition.

Leopard-2A7. Source: mavink.com
Leopard-2A7. Source: mavink.com

It seems to be not a steel horde, but they will be able to give out about a hundred cars to the mountain. However, do not forget that Germany is bound by "circular deals" and is obliged to replenish the armed forces of NATO countries with equipment in exchange for the one that was sent by them to Ukraine. For example, already 30 "Leopard-2A4" are reserved by iron - half will go to the Czech Republic for their T-72, and the second half will go to the Slovaks for their 30 transferred infantry fighting vehicles. And the list will grow.

Under such conditions, it is much more profitable for the German government to continue this exchange, since one Leopard for two pieces of equipment is somewhat cheaper than raking out all the stocks for shipment directly. So far, this scenario is the most likely.

In this vein, the statements of German representatives that, they say, we will send tanks to Ukraine only when other countries start doing the same, look quite logical.

Firstly, the appearance of Western-style tanks on the fronts of the Northern Military District is, no matter what they say about the red lines, a clear escalation factor. Germany will not do this alone with tacit approval.

And secondly, it’s much more profitable for the Germans to pool their efforts so as not to deprive the Bundeswehr of equipment - NATO countries have plenty of Leopard-2s, they can share it too. The only question is who will pay for the banquet.

This collective decision is obviously still a long way off, if it is taken at all. So many hundreds of "Leopards-2" on the railway platforms in Lviv is an extremely unlikely phenomenon so far. But if Germany decides to take such a step alone and sends about a hundred tanks (more is unlikely to succeed), is it worth it to be afraid?

What if they do pass it on?


As mentioned above, the possibility of transferring Leopards-2 to Ukraine should not be ruled out in any case. However, even if these combat vehicles are sent to the zone of a special military operation, some difficulties of a practical nature may arise.

Here, of course, I would like to mention the need to train crews for German "cats". In fact, this is not such a big problem. Yes, even for experienced Ukrainian tankers, mastering the Leopards-2 will not do without thorough practical training. This includes not only the actual operation of the tank itself - driving, the interaction of crew members, working with the fire control complex and other things. You also need to be able to make repairs in the field. But all this is solvable and can only affect the time period from the announcement of sending tanks to Ukraine until they appear there.

The whole snag is in the variety and all the consequences that follow from it. "Leopard" is not a Soviet car, therefore, it is logical that there is no wide range of spare parts for it in Ukraine. The West, of course, will put them on stream, but there are big doubts that this will make it possible to "spray" German tanks in different parts on different sectors of the front. Still, no one canceled the logistics, as well as the headache of the suppliers, which with the "Germans" in this case will only intensify.

However, spare parts are not so bad. After all, ammunition is a much more actively consumed material. And if the abundance of variegated T-64, T-72 and T-80 is still completely unified in terms of caliber and shells, then Leo with its 120-mm rounds is knocked out of the common track, like the M-55S with their caliber 105 mm.

Leopard-2A4 is so far the only possible tank that Germany can transfer. Source: wiki.warthunder.ru
Leopard-2A4 is so far the only possible tank that Germany can transfer. Source: wiki.warthunder.ru

Of course, the Leopards will not become useless from this, so we will not support the general trend of capping. Tanks are serious. And, as Aleksey Kuznetsov, an expert at Military Review, noted, the same conditional hundred of these vehicles (depending on how much they give) will be concentrated on one or two sectors of the front to minimize logistical delays. So they won’t trample on the entire contact zone with a shaft, you shouldn’t panic. But it will be necessary to provide reconnaissance and maximum operational training in dangerous areas.

Difficulties will also arise with the repair of this German equipment. So far, there is no certainty that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to create full-fledged repair bases that will provide a full cycle of repair of the "Germans". Most likely, completely killed tanks will be sent to Poland, where there are all conditions for the restoration of these vehicles. And this, again, is the time spent in the interval from “went in for repairs” to “back in service”. In such circumstances, it is not necessary to talk about possible ongoing clashes with hordes of Leopards.

But we shouldn't be complacent either. Most likely, if the transfer of tanks is ever approved, then Kyiv will receive Leopards in the 2A4 modification. In terms of the level of armor, they do not bypass the T-72B3 or T-90A / M as a whole, but due to a fairly good fire control complex and a wide range of ammunition, they can do things not only in terms of anti-tank combat (which is actually not the case in the NWO zone already common), but also in the aspect of “picking” fortified positions with manpower, which has already become a classic. So the anti-tank gentlemen - ATGM operators, RPG shooters and other "nightmare" tanks - have the last word.
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  1. +13
    14 December 2022 05: 22
    The transfer of Leopard-2 tanks to Ukraine is possible: you should not wait with trepidation, but you need to be ready

    I don't know about the thrill, but you have to be afraid.
    The story of a soldier of the Arctic brigade.
    Callsign "Goga", Northern Fleet Arctic Brigade, reconnaissance battalion. In the war from February 24, March 8, he was wounded by the ACS, then sent to Burdenoko and Cherry. He was treated until the end of April, returned to the unit, went on vacation. In July, he came out of vacation, spent two weeks in the unit and flew back to the war, again to Kharkov.

    About the enemy. The enemy's territorial defense is frankly weak - riflemen, mortars. The mobilized Armed Forces of Ukraine are better prepared, but they are far from much better trained personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who are literally hung with top-end NATO weapons, equipment and medicine. "Wheel" - Turkish, Australian, American, Finnish and others. Caterpillar mostly Soviet.

    "Haymars" is a terrible thing, because. I can't hear the exit, the devil knows where. As soon as the enemy identifies our command post - a platoon, company or brigade, then at least 4 missiles immediately fly there and there is no command post ... Arrivals are fast, there is half a second to fall into the trench.

    In comparison with the beginning of the NWO, in the summer it was easier for the Goge, they were again north of Kharkov, 10-15 km from it. On September 6, the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began, and after the occupation of Volchansk on the night of 9 to 10, they were ordered to withdraw. For another week we stayed in Russia and flew to Kherson ... where it was easy then. About 270 people. 10 shells a day there - nothing at all, they rested.
    The first two weeks were easy, but then they were attacked over and over again by 5 different brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Berislav direction - a total of 15-16 thousand people with a tank brigade. Our forces were small, and the front was very wide.
    On October 2, they retreated, miraculously got out and took up defenses at the crossroads. On the 7th, and for his opornik, they took seriously ... 500-600 shells from 6 in the morning to 11. Then the assault ...

    Thermal imagers are the first topic, all the main moves take place at night. Drones: DJI mini 2 only for the city, DJI AIR2S for grenade and VOG drops. In reality, only DJI mavic 3 is suitable for work and reconnaissance.


    Interview with him
    Part one
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSc9yJ5W04&t=27s
    Part two
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3kB1TkM6M&t=2s
    1. +13
      14 December 2022 05: 32
      After listening directly to the participants in the b / d, you understand how hard everything is there.
      1. +6
        14 December 2022 15: 01
        After listening directly to the participants in the b / d, you understand how hard everything is there.

        Yes, I talk about once a week and not with one. And my friend goes there once a week with a humanitarian aid. The main thing to say there all wrong as they write both here and in the media and military correspondents.
    2. +22
      14 December 2022 05: 37
      now I’m already thinking everything is possible, our uh ... weakness, they took it for blatant weakness, the fear of the “mighty army” disappeared, and in an attempt to put pressure on the Russian Federation, Westerners can go to any lengths.
      1. -7
        14 December 2022 17: 32
        The whole of Europe plus the SASH with its allies is fighting against us. And on weapons they make money and not bad.
        So far, only Ukronazi forces are fighting against us with the full support of the West with weapons, ammunition, communication systems, etc.
        And we are sitting on the defensive and waiting .... Meanwhile, the enemy is strengthening and gaining strength.
    3. +3
      14 December 2022 06: 08
      Exactly the same situation is now at VsUk near Bakhmut. So it's scary everywhere. About Donetsk - I am silent.
    4. +4
      14 December 2022 07: 15
      1. After the exhaustion of Soviet tanks, they will begin (and they have already reported about preparations for the transfer) to transfer the Leopard-1 of all modifications and only then the Leopard-2.
      2. "Leopard-2", "Abrams" will be transferred only after a full resumption of production, so that similar tanks do not decrease in operational units.
      3. "Leclerc", "Ariette", K2 and other rare exotic tanks will not be transferred for objective reasons.
      1. +3
        14 December 2022 10: 56
        Quote: Civil
        After the exhaustion of Soviet tanks, they will begin ........

        And we will have all the same.
      2. +3
        14 December 2022 11: 06
        1. After the exhaustion of Soviet tanks, they will begin (and they have already reported about preparations for the transfer) to transfer the Leopard-1 of all modifications and only then the Leopard-2.
        2. "Leopard-2", "Abrams" will be transferred only after a full resumption of production, so that similar tanks do not decrease in operational units.
        3. "Leclerc", "Ariette", K2 and other rare exotic tanks will not be transferred for objective reasons

        1. They will transfer both the first and second leopards together, because it is not clear that the West would advocate for the weakening of the Ukrainian front
        2. Not necessarily, the same leopards-2 with abrams can be replaced by Korean K2s, which are superior to the latter, South Korea has enough power
        3. They won’t, nevertheless, these tanks in terms of filling will be better than the zoo from modifications of the leopard and abrams
        1. -3
          14 December 2022 11: 38
          yeah, I can see a country that wants to give away Leopard-2, and then shell out 9 million bucks for at least another tank ... It's one thing to shove old trash by indicating its full cost, and it's another thing to give combat vehicles - military equipment is a very expensive pleasure. Rather they will massively transmit the M60 interspersed with the amx-30, leopard 1 and other mammoths of the Cold War .. And more than once for a long time.
          1. +5
            14 December 2022 12: 09
            Quote: Barberry25
            yeah, I can see a country that wants to give away Leopard-2, and then shell out 9 million bucks for at least another tank ... It's one thing to shove old trash by indicating its full cost, and it's another thing to give combat vehicles - military equipment is a very expensive pleasure. Rather they will massively transmit the M60 interspersed with the amx-30, leopard 1 and other mammoths of the Cold War .. And more than once for a long time.

            This is only fair if they drag out the war as long as possible. But if there is a chance, then they will lay out the Abrams with Leo-2. In my humble opinion.
            1. -2
              14 December 2022 12: 41
              well, then it had to be done yesterday .. here I think that one group wants to win, while others don’t want to spend a lot .. so they squabble. but I think if they see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be broken, then they will quickly stop deliveries of something serious
              1. -1
                15 December 2022 06: 11
                Quote: Barberry25
                I think if they see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be broken, then they will quickly stop deliveries of something serious

                And I think that deliveries will be stopped when they see that there are no power plants on the edge and there are trains, that all railway crossings, large junction stations and tunnels have been bombed, that there is not a single bridge across the Dnieper.
                By the way, not a single unit of our armored vehicles is needed to solve these problems, and not a single Russian soldier will die. But apparently, in the General Staff and the Moscow Region they think that it is more convenient to put their fighters on the battlefield.
                1. -1
                  15 December 2022 09: 50
                  they don’t care about the inhabitants — the tribal system of the Afghans did not prevent them from shipping tons of weapons, and here they will increase the supply of transport and bridges .. well, they will recommend the maximum to move beyond the Dnieper .. but as long as they see that they are fighting and weakening Russia, they will drive.
                2. +1
                  15 December 2022 17: 41
                  Quote: Pantsuy
                  that there is not a single bridge across the Dnieper.

                  this alone will be enough!
      3. +2
        14 December 2022 14: 45
        Quote: Civil
        . After the exhaustion of Soviet tanks, they will begin (and they have already reported about preparations for the transfer) to transfer "Leopard-1" of all modifications

        Perhaps, but not necessarily.
        Quote: Civil
        Leopard-2", "Abrams" will be transferred only after a full resumption of production, so that similar tanks do not decrease in operational units.

        Not necessary. Leo2 is in storage for hundreds, Abramov for thousands.
        Quote: Civil
        Leclerc, Ariette, K2 and other rare exotic tanks will not be transferred for objective reasons.

        There are no objective reasons. If the signora wants to sponsor the 8th Italo Gariboldi Tank Brigade - no problem. The same unique Slovenian T-55s were handed over, they are only an incomplete battalion, and there are more Arieta available, not to mention the Challengers, Leclercs, and even more so the Koreans.
        1. -4
          15 December 2022 09: 52
          the t-55 is not unique, it’s rusty rubbish when viewed from the point of view of modern MBTs, which immediately after the completion of the modernization went all for conservation and stood there for 15 years, after which it was exchanged for trucks, for trucks, Karl !, and leclercs and others like each of them without equipment costs 6-9 million euros. moreover, unlike other tanks, they are sold .. I don’t think that Paris will be happy to see the burned Leclercs against the background of entire T-72Bs .. and ours will equip everything with a specialist
          1. +1
            15 December 2022 10: 12
            Quote: Barberry25
            leclercs and others like them, each without equipment costs 6-9 million euros.

            That is a question purely about money.
            Quote: Barberry25
            ours will arrange everything so special

            Uh-uh. That would be the last problem I would think of in such a situation.
            1. -2
              15 December 2022 11: 21
              the question is always about money, and the Europeans do not want to pay a lot, so there are perversions with the supply of either moldy PRZKs, old ATGMs with expired shelf life, single air defense systems that look more like tests and old old tanks that they want to refuse anyway .. why are BMP-1s coming from all over Europe, but let's say not Puma? Because Puma is for sale and costs several million euros ..
              1. +1
                15 December 2022 11: 44
                Quote: Barberry25
                Europeans do not want to pay much,

                So, under 40 yards, the EU and the USA were slobbered in 2022, for a minute.
                1. -2
                  15 December 2022 12: 26
                  this money was given in the form of loans, and the scheme that part that went in the form of goods and weapons, let's say "very" far-fetched. If they really wanted to supply equipment, they would drive the newest, and not something that is worthless to themselves
      4. 0
        14 December 2022 17: 47
        "Leclerc", "Ariette", K2 and other rare exotic tanks will not be transferred for objective reasons.

        As for the K2, I would not renounce: the Koreans will easily release a commercially significant batch of tanks, but restarting the production of Leopards or Abrams will be much more difficult, since they have not been manufactured from scratch for a long time, only modernization is underway.
      5. 0
        15 December 2022 22: 29
        In general, I agree. But the stock of Soviet tanks is still incredibly large. And besides, they understand that by transferring weapons from Soviet history, Ukrainian specialists will be able to maintain this equipment on existing equipment without serious retraining.
        Another thing is cartridges / shells, which are spent actively and in large quantities. Given the fact that% of Western weapons in the country is growing. I think they will do so that part of the remaining factories producing shells / cartridges in Ukraine will be converted to the production of Western weapons. This will both reduce the load on themselves (so that they would not have to send shells as well) and create conditions for more efficient saturation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with Western weapons.
        But things will not go further than ammunition / shell factories, all production in Ukraine is still under the constant sight of the SV and VKS of the Russian Federation. And therefore, the production of something larger than cartridges / shells, it makes no sense to organize in Ukraine now.

        Of the tanks, they will rather focus on the Leopards. Firstly, their production (Germany) is closer than the USA. This means that repairs will be faster, and the delivery of tanks / spare parts will be faster. Secondly, the Leopard, as a European tank, is a little more adapted to the Ukrainian theater of operations than Abrams, who has mainly focused on the Middle Eastern theater for the past 20 years.
    5. +4
      14 December 2022 12: 40
      Quote: 28st region
      Interview with him

      When I also cited here the impressions of our chimeras that fell under fire about 2 months ago, some regulars wrote that it was all bullshit and there was no difference - to fall under hail or hamers. But our people from the front said that comparing shelling under hail and heimers is like comparing when a lump or a brick flies into your forehead.
  2. +13
    14 December 2022 05: 34
    The only sane article on the site this morning. Sadly. Thanks Edward!
  3. -5
    14 December 2022 05: 45
    There will be tanks, but not hundreds. A dozen, two, for a test somewhere in one place. And it’s not even about logistics or lack of training, it’s all solvable, I agree with the author. The point is possible image losses if the tanks don’t show themselves (and this is more than likely, there is a precedent) or they will be knocked out with lightning speed. And after Yemen (Houthis) and Syria (Turkey, Kurds), the reputation of Leopard and Abrams is somewhat tarnished. even it became inaudible about them at all), hymars and other prodigies, they won’t make much of the weather. It’s unpleasant, sometimes even extremely unpleasant, but no more.
    1. +1
      15 December 2022 06: 15
      Quote: shinobi
      hymars and other prodigies, they won’t make much of a weather. It’s unpleasant, sometimes even extremely unpleasant, but no more.

      Actually, by and large, thanks to the Haimars, they would have dumped Kherson.
      1. +1
        15 December 2022 22: 09
        Yes, and without Hemars they would have been dumped, the bridges turn out to be much more efficiently blown up by a truck, and they could have fired at points, two-thirds would have been past, but the remaining funnels would have been left at half a bridge. Passive (I would say stupid) defense does not win battles, and there the defense began literally from the beginning of March.
  4. +8
    14 December 2022 06: 09
    All this says only one thing: this war must be ended with victory ASAP!! By any means, until all types of NATO weapons began to appear there along with their own troops, including aviation and heavy armored vehicles and air defense. That's when we will be completely seamed there, that's when the huge country will get up and all this will be with an unclear ending and the price of victories
    1. -2
      14 December 2022 10: 50
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      All this says only one thing: this war must be ended with victory ASAP!!

      Do you have a ready recipe? HOW can it be completed quickly? Share?
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      By any means

      Any - what is it? Is it really nuclear weapons / tactical nuclear weapons again?
      1. -2
        14 December 2022 11: 14
        Any - what is it? Is it really nuclear weapons / tactical nuclear weapons again?

        How are you going to finish? From the very beginning, the Northern Military District, the Ministry of Defense and cheers told the "patriots" - strike at logistics, at urban infrastructure, at the cities of Ukraine themselves (in order to destroy the mobilization reserve as much as possible and stop deliveries of weapons from the West). What are you yelling - Our people are there !!! It is forbidden !!!
        Now that Ukraine is closed by Western air defense, mobilization has been carried out in it, only the use of tactical nuclear weapons, and large-scale ones, remains.
        If this is not done, then in a couple of years only strategic nuclear weapons will be able to solve the problem.
        Apparently, the "patriots" are counting on this cheer, opposing any effective measures with Ukraine
      2. SOF
        +5
        14 December 2022 13: 46
        ..... the simplest recipe is to gouge, to hell, all the holes for the entry of goods, from the west to Ukraine ......
        ..... destroy railway bridges .....
        ..... extinguish a 750kv substation ....
        ...... provide a set of measures to destroy air defense, in the end ....
        ....... this is already half the battle ..... moreover, mind you, without hatred and frontal assaults ......
        ..... and I don’t discover America - these recipes are already, perhaps lazy, the language has not been erased, to speak .....
        1. 0
          28 January 2023 17: 43
          the simplest recipe is to gouge, to hell, all the holes for the entry of goods, from the west to Ukraine ......
          ..... destroy railway bridges .....
          Forgive me what?)
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      3. +2
        14 December 2022 15: 02
        Is it really nuclear weapons / tactical nuclear weapons again?

        One of the purposes of tactical nuclear weapons is precisely to stop massive tank attacks.
      4. 0
        15 December 2022 22: 13
        Step 1 - take relatives of officials and businessmen to the Russian Federation
        Step 2 - promise three boxes to ordinary Ukrainians (it seems to them that we did not officially say anything at all)
        Step 3 - begin to liquidate the leadership of the Saloreikha, regardless of their location (and not send any directors of the Zaporizhzhya NPP to Kyiv because those scoundrels leaked such data to the Armed Forces of Ukraine)
        Step 4 - Give the geraniums to the white bears to beat the Norwegian oil industry

        I think things will get better after this.
    2. +3
      14 December 2022 12: 41
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      All this says only one thing: this war must be ended with victory ASAP!!

      So they are trying to accelerate the victory - the countries of 404. And it seems they are succeeding.
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 15: 03
        And they seem to succeed.

        Well, there are two troubles in Russia .... We are building roads.
  5. +10
    14 December 2022 06: 15
    So for the gentlemen anti-tankers - ATGM operators, RPG shooters and other "nightmare" tanks - the last word

    And before the SVO, our attack helicopters were considered the main nightmare for tanks. And now...
    1. +5
      14 December 2022 12: 05
      And before the SVO, our attack helicopters were considered the main nightmare for tanks.

      That's what they thought in the late 70s. Like, a squadron of tanks will burn a division without frowning. Already in the late 80s it became clear that this was nonsense. Since then, the infantry has grown such "teeth" that a helicopter lives no more than 8 minutes on average at a distance of 4 km. However, you can see for yourself - all the "hunts" from helicopters for equipment very quickly ended with "firing by NURSs from a nose-up". Otherwise, helicopters would "end".
      1. +2
        14 December 2022 13: 24
        Otherwise, helicopters would "end"

        Here I am about it. The Americans began to change the concept of using Apaches, at first they used Cobras for reconnaissance of targets and target designation, and now Apaches began to work in conjunction with UAVs. All of us successfully blew it. For such tactics, which are professed by "unparalleled" cheap small propeller piston single-engine aircraft as weapons carriers, which would be both cheaper and easier to manage, with better high-speed maneuverability and noticeably lower thermal signature for MANPADS, would suffice.
        1. 0
          14 December 2022 15: 05
          . For such tactics, which are practiced by "unparalleled" cheap small propeller piston single-engine aircraft as weapons carriers, which would be both cheaper and easier to manage, with better high-speed maneuverability and noticeably less thermal signature for MANPADS, would be enough.

          What nonsense. And it is in relation to SVO. A single-engine piston is a coffin. Yes, it is cheap, but the pilot is expensive.
          1. +1
            14 December 2022 15: 41
            A single-engine piston is a coffin.

            This is not an attack aircraft that needs to cross the line of clashes, as helicopters now operate from their territory, besides, it has significantly less heat generation and less EPR due to its size.
            And if you take a digression into history, then we can say that the survival rate during an attack on the half-wooden attack fighter I-153 Chaika or I-16 was much higher than that of the armored Il-2, largely due to high-speed maneuverability.
            Fast operational delivery of guided and unguided missiles to the launch point, this is the task of the carrier of these weapons without entering the danger zone. For guided missiles, target designation should be carried out by the UAV, which itself identifies the target. A heavy, armored helicopter is still afraid to enter the air defense coverage area.
            1. +3
              14 December 2022 18: 07
              There was also such an English plane - Mosquito. Also wooden and very, very fast. German radar simply did not see him, and the fighters could not catch up. One of the aircraft flew 260 (!!!) times to bomb Germany, this is an absolute bomber survival record.
            2. +2
              14 December 2022 18: 23
              Fast operational delivery of guided and unguided missiles to the launch point, this is the task of the carrier of these weapons without entering the danger zone.

              If NURS, the aircraft will certainly enter the affected area.
              If something controlled like a vortex, then the plane is still on the border of the affected area.
              But after all, a whirlwind can also be attached to a shock UAV. Why fence a bunch of UAVs and a piston aircraft? The drummer does not have a pilot, and the EPR and thermal footprint are definitely smaller. The only piston can take more weight.
              1. 0
                14 December 2022 19: 14
                Why fence a bunch of UAVs and a piston aircraft?

                The Americans made a bunch of Apache and UAVs. The UAV patrols and finds the target, and the Apache approaches the ATGM range, launches, and the UAV gives target designation. The speed and maneuverability of the piston is no less than that of an expensive helicopter, and it can also take off from the ground.
              2. 0
                15 December 2022 22: 16
                A whirlwind costs like an apartment in Moscow, and how much they spent on all sorts of zil and armored personnel carriers! There, the bassoons would have smashed 90% of the targets, and most of the tanks would not have gone far after such
            3. 0
              15 December 2022 22: 59
              The concept is good, but considering that most potential opponents still have serious air defense (even Ukraine). Then instead of a piston aircraft (the domestic version of the Super Tucano), I would still use a jet single / twin-engine aircraft based on combat training. For example, based on the Yak-130 or L-39. By using engines with a high bypass ratio, it is possible to achieve both an improvement in the fuel efficiency of the aircraft (and therefore reduce fuel consumption) and a decrease in the temperature of the exhaust gases, which, combined with the fact that such a light aircraft initially has a smaller thermal footprint, after a series of engine changes, it will become less noticeable for thermal homing heads, if it gets into the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXban unnoticed deployment of an air defense calculation with MANPADS. Also, unlike pistons, they will be able to take on board one, or even a couple of guided missiles. (not heavy of course) Then, working in conjunction with a drone, they will be able to launch heavy missiles, far from the potential edge of enemy air defenses. And in the nose of such an aircraft, due to the lack of a propeller, you can place a simple radar to control or interact with the drone, missiles and navigation (but with the ability, if necessary, to carry out direct target designation, if suddenly the target needs to be destroyed and the drone is gone). At the same time, such light fighters will still be able to land on dirt strips and have a low takeoff and landing.

              Although the plane will be jet, it definitely does not make sense to make it supersonic. Although the idea of ​​​​a piston aircraft, I would not throw it away. And yet I tried it. At least for drones.

              For example, a pair of such a "heavy" drone with a piston engine, similar in its characteristics to WWII fighters (maneuverable, fast and with a low thermal footprint). Which flies up to the area where the enemy is located first. And with a delay behind it, our light and jet platform aircraft flies, and, according to target designation data, launches missiles / bombs. The drone itself, due to the execution in the form factor of a piston fighter. In the event of an emergency, it will be able, by performing a series of evasive maneuvers, to either leave the affected area or dive on the target like a kamikaze drone. After all, many modern drones for targeting adjustments are built according to the form factor of a slow, high-altitude and non-maneuverable airplane. And this leads to the fact that, if necessary, it is more difficult for the drone to perform a successful evasion or dive maneuver. And in general, it is easier to shoot down such a device than a more maneuverable one.
  6. +1
    14 December 2022 06: 22
    The topic is certainly not simple as it seems at first glance, but there are several conclusions.
    1) Of course, the tanks will be serviced with the replacement of at least communications equipment;
    2) In connection with paragraph 1, the tanks will arrive in Ukraine in the spring and summer, they will not be sent either at the end of winter or at the beginning of spring;
    3) There is absolutely no doubt that they will go to the southern borders of the NWO;
    4) In combination with clauses 2 and 3, tanks will be used consciously. Most likely for breakthroughs of one and possibly several front lines. Any technique is dangerous. Glad that the T-90M is already at the front. You need to keep them at the front and use them wisely until the moment when the Leopards start shooting. Now the winter campaign and heavy equipment is not very active. But Ukrainians like to make counterattacks. So when they receive the Leopards will not wait. We need to prepare for the next offensive operations from the Ukrainian BTG after receiving tanks more modern than the T-64 and T-72, which were not serviced and not modernized taking into account the SVO. Now NATO is doing it. Leopards will be absolutely ready for offensive action.
    5) I wanted to get into politics, but changed my mind. Germany certainly does not surprise me. Their character is not the same now ... Let them do what they are told. Such is their fate today. Performers...
  7. -2
    14 December 2022 06: 47
    It's time to start a total war using all possible means. Any slippage is taken as weakness and leads to an increase in supplies from the West. On the other hand, no one is shy and does not deny himself anything.
    1. +2
      14 December 2022 12: 24
      what for? rather, for what? (denazification and demilitarization)
      so while everything goes the other way around - the weapons were brought in full ...
      It is sad that there are no clearly formulated goals. and the boys are dying
      1. +1
        15 December 2022 11: 25
        Learn history (at least very recent) and everything will be clear to you - because of what and why!
      2. 0
        22 December 2022 13: 37
        what for? rather, for what? (denazification and demilitarization)
        so while everything goes the other way around - the weapons were brought in full ...
        It is sad that there are no clearly formulated goals. and the boys are dying

        Exit to the Dnieper along the entire line of the Left Bank. The goal is achievable. On the Right Bank to maintain permanent energy and transport chaos until the enlightenment of Western and Ukrainian minds. Transfer military production to an emergency regime with the temporary abolition of property rights and tenders. There are only two criteria - efficiency and quantity. It's not too late to do it.
  8. +4
    14 December 2022 07: 33
    I believe more in the appearance of Leopards-1 in Ukraine, especially since there are already a lot of vehicles based on it in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, these are Cheetahs, bridge layers, ARVs, and the shells are the same as those of the Slovak T-55s
  9. -6
    14 December 2022 07: 46
    Western "colleagues" Start to borzet, watching how the Russian army is slowly advancing

    Apparently they will fight to the last Ukrainian with a rusty ar15
    1. +2
      14 December 2022 14: 27
      Quote: Amateur_wide_profile
      They begin to borzet, watching how the Russian army is slowly advancing

      In which direction is it moving?
      Quote: Amateur_wide_profile
      the last Ukrainian with a rusty ar15

      It is difficult to understand where this last Ukrainian came from. The losses are an order of magnitude lower than the number of new 18-year-olds each year. That is, with a regular conscription, the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will grow rapidly, without any additional mobilization measures, except for the absence of a demobilization.
  10. +3
    14 December 2022 07: 50
    I don’t know about “cats”, but today on the radio (if anyone says anything, station 1010 WINS, you can listen to it for free at https://www.audacy.com/1010wins) they said that someone (not Congress ?I listened in the car while driving on the go, i.e. half an ear; I concentrated only when I heard "Ukraine") allowed the supply of Patriot air defense systems (without specifying the model and configuration) in the amount of 1 (in words: one) battery in / for 404. Now approval is required first from the Minister of Defense, and then Biden's signature personally, but this is a matter of time, and Biden signs everything that is brought to him for signature.
    Not the best news for American taxpayers and Russian rocket scientists, but I would like to hope that there are means to combat this, at least for rocket scientists. A cloud of shahid-mopeds may well overload all escort channels for him, and the exchange of a shahid-moped at a price of a little more than a piece of bucks for a rocket at a cost of hundreds of thousands is quite nothing. And if this result is properly covered in the press, then at least some taxpayers will think about whether it is worth voting for Stupid Joe again.
    1. 0
      14 December 2022 11: 04
      Quote: Nagan
      A cloud of shahid mopeds may well overload all escort channels for him

      Do you really think that this option has not been calculated? And will not be neutralized?
      As for the news about the Patriot, it does not inspire optimism. Even one battery is capable, in principle, of covering one area. A radar, a command post, auxiliary equipment and eight installations with four missiles each - a considerable potential. Worst of all is a trend that is already established. If anyone noticed - the West gives at first a teaspoon, a stream. But then this stream turns into a wide river. So one Patriot battery (if it will be) delivered or several in the end is unknown.
    2. +4
      14 December 2022 14: 08
      Quote: Nagan
      A cloud of shahid mopeds may well overload all escort channels for him, and the exchange of a shahid moped at a price of a little more than a piece of bucks for a rocket at a cost of hundreds of thousands is quite nothing.

      1. Shaheed costs several tens of thousands. One engine costs 10K+, even Chinese. Ten thousand - this is Mavic 3 with all the stray.
      2. Patriot missile costs up to three million.
      3. Patriot is not given for hunting shahid mopeds, but for working in the integrated air defense / missile defense bush. Patriot-Nasams-35mm. The anti-aircraft guns are responsible for the martyrs, and the Patriot is responsible for the Iskander with the Dagger. Even one cluster of modern air defense / missile defense, say, in the Dnieper - where EXACTLY nothing will reach - would be a change in the situation at the strategic level.
      1. 0
        15 December 2022 22: 23
        If memory serves, then the martyr's engine costs 900 bucks. Well, the radars from the patriot will be clearly visible if they work, their mobility is worse than that of the C300. I strongly doubt that they will withstand the attack of martyrs, otherwise the raids of geraniums would be well reflected now by anti-aircraft guns-nasams in the same places. It’s not like a miracle weapon, the Saudis will confirm, it can be hacked. But if you want, I would say that if you want, Petrov and Boshirov can handle it without any missiles, and if you don’t want, then the black man on the Hummer will scare away the tank division
        1. 0
          15 December 2022 22: 59
          Quote from alexoff
          If memory serves, then the martyr's engine costs 900 bucks

          )))
          Changes
          Buy Google Limbach L550E China.
          Quote from alexoff
          radars from a patriot will be clearly visible if they work, their mobility is worse than that of the C300

          They are visible much worse, but oh well, that's not the point.
          Quote from alexoff
          I doubt that they will withstand the attack of martyrs

          A raid by shahid-mopeds Patriot should not "withstand" at all, this is the task of C-RAM / SHORAD systems.
          Quote from alexoff
          It’s not like a miracle weapon, the Saudis will confirm, you can hack

          I do not comment on the relationship of the Saudis with weapons.
          Quote from alexoff
          But if you want, I would say that if you want, Petrov and Boshirov can handle it without any missiles

          How these citizens coped is clearly visible to everyone. Both this time and this time.
  11. +5
    14 December 2022 07: 52
    Good article, except for this one.
    And practice shows this bad trend. If in the first months of a special military operation, Washington was seriously afraid of an escalation of the conflict and kept Kyiv on a reduced “diet”

    As the memoirs of the "former" leaders of NATO countries, such as the "shaggy-haired Johnsonyuk" show, the main problem was not seen in the escalation. Since the end of last year, the opinion has prevailed (including among respected journalists of the Military Review, not only in NATO) that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight (if they fight) for about 72 hours near Kyiv and a couple of weeks in other places. In Kyiv, a KVN worker was sitting, who urged everyone to calm down and get ready for the May barbecue, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were preparing for battles in the Donbass, the TRO was running around with plywood machine guns. KVNschik has already bothered everyone with a support level of 38% (but really wanted to be re-elected), so he did not take any, the most elementary measures for defense.
    As follows from the memoirs, Germany, for example, believed that the Russian Federation in Ukraine was a horror, but let the inevitable pass quickly. Further, IMHO, there would be a World Championship in DEEP CONCERN and "Afghanistan 2.0 at maximum speed" would begin - with Stingers and Javelins under a combat hopak.

    But what happened happened. Why it happened is a separate question.

    In general, the idea of ​​the NATO members that "something did not go according to NATO's plan" and that heavy equipment should be supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is around May of this year (M777 and so on).
    And the question "why doesn't NATO uncover its BKhVT and fill up the Armed Forces of Ukraine with thousands of units of the same M60 and M113" has a different answer IMHO - "because the wishes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukraine on the topic of "quick war before the New Year" are not a priority", to put it mildly. Not even the BKhVT - only Poland could conditionally supply tomorrow 300 Tvarda and 1000 infantry fighting vehicles with the corresponding consequences - but does not deliver.

    In the foreseeable future, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not have Leo-2 - they will all go to NATO countries through "ring exchanges", it is necessary to come to uniformity in terms of engines and tank shells. Yes, and the Germans need to earn extra money on tanks (maintenance, repairs, maintenance, modernization - it runs well ...).
    But when the Abrams are in Poland, Leo2 and K2 will arrive (and the Tvards will already leave for the Armed Forces of Ukraine) - here Leo2 will go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Poles do not need three types of tanks. IMHO, judging by the contracts with South Korea, this will be 2024-2025.
    1. -2
      14 December 2022 10: 26
      Since the end of last year, the opinion has prevailed (including among respected journalists of the Military Review, not only in NATO) that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight (if they fight) for about 72 hours near Kyiv and a couple of weeks in other places.

      The Americans openly said it. Therefore, they counted on a guerrilla war and supplied weapons for such a war.
      But it turned out that everything did not go according to plan, and it was necessary to supply weapons for the regular army, and not for the partisans.
      By the way, at the military game held by NATO in 2019, Kherson remained behind the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in reality we went there.
      There are some more facts indicating that events are not developing according to plan, at least in the United States. Question: are these our conscious actions to break the plans of the enemy, or did it happen by chance? It's hard to say for sure, everything is covered in the fog of war.
      1. +3
        14 December 2022 10: 40
        some more facts indicating that events are not developing according to plan, at least in the United States. Question: are these our conscious actions to break the plans of the enemy, or did it happen by chance? It's hard to say for sure, everything is covered in the fog of war.
        - the funniest joke since 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.
  12. -1
    14 December 2022 07: 52
    The transfer of Leopard-2 tanks to Ukraine is possible: you should not wait with trepidation, but you need to be ready
    And what should we do???
    PREPARING, MOBILIZING in everything and everywhere and beyond, according to a very long list!
    That's just one thing to remember, that from time immemorial it WAS, IS and WILL be ... until we begin to destroy traitors and others like them in our ranks, we won't see victory or it will cost so much ... why even think about this not allowed!!! soldier
    1. +2
      14 December 2022 12: 30
      Announce the list of all traitors please. Pugacheva Alla Borisovna well, so she doesn’t command troops and sending her to the zone is unlikely to bring victory closer, although yes ... she could sing to the soldiers on the front line ... or Instasamka with a concert in Donetsk?
      it is no longer clear where the traitors are and where they are simply unsuitable. what a theater of the absurd.
      1. -1
        14 December 2022 12: 49
        The theater becomes absurd for one reason ... with the director / artistic director, something is wrong.
      2. +1
        14 December 2022 15: 08
        Announce the list of all traitors please.

        Read the comments on VO over the past couple of months and make a list yourself.
        1. +1
          14 December 2022 18: 15
          Excuse me, how do the comments on the site affect the reluctance of the General Staff (or Vova) to bomb the routes for the transport of ammunition equipment by the ukrovermacht?
          1. -1
            14 December 2022 18: 29
            Excuse me, how do the comments on the site affect the reluctance of the General Staff (or Vova) to bomb the routes for the transport of ammunition equipment by the ukrovermacht?

            Already wrote about it. It seems to you that on the Internet you can balabol and bazaar completely irresponsibly (FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!!) and this will not affect the country, the people and you personally. But in reality, this buffoonery forms an information background that INEVITABLY affects specialists, officials, businessmen, the elite, and, as a result, the authorities. And the authorities put pressure on the General Staff. Our enemies (and I hope we do too) understood this a long time ago and created special units, for example, TsIPSO. And it costs more than one regiment of motorized infantry or an artillery brigade. And mindlessly writing comments often work for them, although usually in the dark.
        2. 0
          15 December 2022 11: 18
          Military Oborzenie is just a paradise now for cissots and liberoids of all stripes!
    2. 0
      15 December 2022 11: 20
      And this site is full of them: just look at the ratings under the adequate comments and comments of the “all-throwers” ​​and the cissot!
  13. +3
    14 December 2022 09: 17
    Why did my favorite series of articles "little, late, useless" slip into some kind of discredit, I'm not afraid of this word? Skormorokhov is already writing an article in the wrong direction, now these Leopards for some reason will not be destroyed immediately upon crossing the border. Here, in recent days, the conversation has already begun about the Patriots, at least I hope they are few, late, useless?

    Essentially. The repair of Leo, as well as the repair of Soviet equipment, will be carried out in Poland - a repair base has long been established there. As well as a replacement fund, there is, in principle. As long as we are talking about the appearance of at least one "new look" tank brigade, it will not be difficult to supply it. The problematic issue is not so much tanks as Western-type infantry fighting vehicles. The issue is still unresolved with them.

    But of course NOW it's all talk. I'll believe when I see it. The same NASAMS from the beginning of the conversation traveled for six months, from June to November.

    What's more important. If there is good for Leo2, it will automatically mean good for old tanks. Leo1, AMX, M60. They have a lot of people and in any conceivable quantity. As for the old Leo2 series themselves, Poland, Turkey and Greece have a significant number of drills. We are more interested in non-combatants. Switzerland, Finland, Spain, about 400 cars in total. We are not considering Switzerland yet (although the same Germany can buy them out for the same "circular deliveries"), but it is quite possible to talk about Finnish and Spanish ones.
  14. +6
    14 December 2022 10: 25
    Articles March 2022 : top stupid Bandera crafts - crossbow pickup truck
    december 2022 - the use of leopard 2 tanks in the free zone
  15. -4
    14 December 2022 11: 02
    Tanks will come with crews. And for their protection, "Patriots" are supplied ... Does this not threaten existence?
  16. 0
    14 December 2022 11: 14
    Hence the conclusion that under the "mobilization" can fall into storage cars - the old "Leopards" of the 2A4 series. At the beginning of 2022, that is, before all the events related to the special operation in Ukraine, the Germans had 55 of them. These are exactly the tanks that are in a state of full complement and after the depreservation can get on the move without any lengthy repair work and so on. At the same time, in addition to the official list number of these tanks, there are a number (perhaps dozens of units) of unaccounted for copies that require deep repairs and bringing them to running condition.

    There is one problem here ... This story has been going on since 2016, when the Frau gynecologist, then in charge of the Bundeswehr, once again changed into a jump changed its point of view along with the general line of the party and began to intensively restore what it had recently destroyed itself. In particular, it was decided to increase the number of Panzerwaffe tanks - from 225 to 320-328 units. Initially, it was decided to carry out this increase at the expense of "Leo-2" from storage - to commission equipment from the site of the KMW plant. Then it was decided in parallel to also upgrade the machines to the A7V.
    As a result, instead of taking 104 tanks from storage, KMW had to buy 84 vehicles from the Swedes and the Dutch.
    Of the 104 "new" tanks planned for modernization according to the Leopard 2A7V variant, 68 should be Leopard 2A4 vehicles, redeemed by KMW from the presence of the Swedish army, 16 - Leopard 2A6 tanks, similarly redeemed from the presence of the Dutch army, and another 20 - planned for completion 20 Leopard 2A7 tanks of the Bundeswehr.
    © bmpd
    The KMW storage site, according to some reports, gave only a little more than a dozen cars.
  17. -1
    14 December 2022 12: 37
    spektr9, you wrote about the "cheers-patriots", so they are on the payroll of the Russian oligarchy, which benefits from a protracted military conflict! The longer they fight, the more they steal from the state budget! They don't care about the country!
  18. VB
    0
    14 December 2022 12: 40
    And how will all this equipment be delivered? Has Putin already given the go-ahead to his partners? For which barrels of jam and baskets of cookies? So it turns out that the army and the people are on one side of the fly, and Putin with the oligarchs-friends and the authorities, Zelensky with the ukrovermacht and the whole west on the other. February 1917 is inevitable.
  19. +1
    14 December 2022 12: 42
    And where is our ARMATA? Or was it a PR company. It's time to check it out.
    1. 0
      16 December 2022 03: 47
      It's like the F 35 in the USA, a project for cutting the dough. Since no one was hanged, the president himself is in debt.
  20. 0
    14 December 2022 12: 46
    "If I were a philanthropist", I would start with the supply of M60, early Abrams with a 105mm cannon, LEO-1, French AMX, Late Elephants,
    1. -1
      14 December 2022 14: 56
      Well, that's how it goes. APU throw off all the trash along with the prototypes. for testing. This mess is the dream of the military-industrial complex.
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 18: 13
        There is also a Swedish tank without a turret with 105mm L7
    2. 0
      16 December 2022 11: 31
      They won’t supply this junk, because it takes a lot of money and time to modernize than to modernize the same 2A4, which will not undermine the defense of its state and is more efficient and cheaper, easier, faster to modernize than the junk you listed. Or do you really think that they will send without repair and modernization? And this junk will never go, because against whom to go, the steel fist of the USSR military-industrial complex will be ground in Ukraine, and there is no one else to get this junk against.
  21. -1
    14 December 2022 14: 19
    Logistics, energy supply and NATO military experts - their active destruction will weaken the desire to supply weapons to Ukraine, the West.
  22. +5
    14 December 2022 14: 43
    With such results and pace, there are no longer “leopards” to wait for. In fighters and destroyers. Do you remember how less than a year ago it all started with helmets? Progress in the quality of supplies is evident. Is this also part of the HPP?
    1. 0
      14 December 2022 18: 11
      The development of the situation suggests that the next step in the supply of patriotic leopards. Then something long-range, like tomahawks. Next is nuclear weapons.
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 18: 14
        Somehow I didn’t imagine nuclear weapons in this conflict ... but now I won’t be surprised if they hit the fort with special ammunition
    2. 0
      15 December 2022 11: 12
      Promise does not mean marriage! (Not) Dear all-weaver. Do you really believe that the West only helped Ukrainians with helmets if Merkel herself announced that they had been pumped with weapons since the Minsk agreements?
      1. 0
        15 December 2022 11: 53
        Of course no. But heavy weapons were not brought from NATO countries either. The same "Caesars" Pz2000 were not supplied to them. Hymars was also not delivered. As for promises...
        Give an example where they did not fulfill it in terms of deliveries.
  23. 0
    14 December 2022 21: 30
    Author, what did you sniff, what illegal drugs? Now tanks do not fight against tanks, and the Battle of Kursk is almost the only case. If the motorized infantry can't cope, they call in army aviation or artillery, and from above any tank with a 30 mm cannon or S-8 is flashed. Here, our warthog tankers should be afraid and cost air defense so as to exclude undisguised units ...
  24. 0
    15 December 2022 11: 09
    Will there be German crews there? Or will they entrust such expensive weapons to "monkeys with a grenade"?
  25. 0
    15 December 2022 18: 44
    A friend has returned to my house. Mechanic driver T-72. Lost a leg, direct hit by an ATGM. Impressive when he comes out, smoking from the entrance. There will be leopards, no doubt. Tank ballet, as in Alabino will not work.
  26. +1
    15 December 2022 23: 49
    Quote: Negro
    Changes
    Buy Google Limbach L550E China.

    The German engine is expensive, especially if you look for it on aliexpress, but the Chinese clone, which lives for 10 hours, is much cheaper. And the Iranian clone of the Chinese MADO MD550 engine is even cheaper. Well, if the Americans are going to deploy little Israel with full cover, with remote detonation ammunition and nasams, in a single area, then they will need money for this as from one lend-lease, well, so that they are not interfered with in the process. But you can fantasize a lot, for example, that a patriot will also knock down all ballistic missiles, and they will quickly bring an iron dome, and there will be a citadel with a radius of 70 km in the center of the country, where Kolomoisky’s house will be guarded, not otherwise
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  28. 0
    20 December 2022 09: 38
    Again about fairy tales, or rather tanks, how much German howitzers were praised, wear resistance, accuracy blah blah blah, and in a real battle overheating, loss of accuracy, resource. What is 100 tanks? An empty place, people do not understand in any way that we are witnesses of a new war, to concentrate some kind of armada as before and go on the offensive is a thing of the past with equal rivals, they have come down to company offensives, they will soon reach a platoon, since any group of arrivals of a Himers, and similar to ours ammunition. For something serious, it’s only Abrams (available) no less than 500 pieces. But the West is a rogue, they don’t have so much money, you can score as they say.
  29. 0
    23 December 2022 07: 37
    wow, Perov himself good did not recognize. at the expense of repairs, I strongly doubt that they will make rembases in Ukraine, firstly, and secondly, there is a chance that they can pocket a couple of tanks or do something else. so they will give fifty, they will throw caterpillars, and it will be necessary to repair already in Europe
  30. 0
    23 December 2022 18: 35
    It is necessary to train the fighters to use the equipment - will the pshekhs understand there?
  31. 0
    8 January 2023 17: 58
    It's just a blatant question to the Russian leadership - why do Western weapons still get into the ukroreich without hindrance ??
  32. 0
    23 January 2023 12: 36
    The article is interesting and it turns out it is about money, for the Poles about Lviv. Hungarians and Poles a piece of "their land". But Russia is strong. The discussion upset me. Our fighters are having a hard time. The Russian Army lacks even a small demonstration of such powerful weapons for the West to understand who Russia is and who the Russian Army is. Gerasimov and his staff are ready. Gentlemen, I cross my fingers for you and wish you complete victory. am
  33. 0
    28 February 2023 12: 20
    The transfer of 1 pz-2000 is more terrible for us than the transfer of 10 leopards 2A7, I am silent about the older ones.