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Military perspectives of the first Russian VTOL aircraft "Ecolibri"

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Military perspectives of the first Russian VTOL aircraft "Ecolibri"



Optimistic Aeronet 2035


News, which is very difficult to ignore in the framework of this review - in Moscow at VDNKh in the pavilion "Cosmos" the exhibition "Aeronet 2035" is open. According to the official website, this is “the first exhibition and presentation of technological products and solutions in the field of unmanned aviation systems." In Russia, it turns out, there are a lot of companies involved in drones. In this exhibition alone, more than 130 developers will present more than XNUMX off-the-shelf solutions and technologies for aerial drones.


Source: aeronet2035.rf

Here is the helicopter VT 45, lifting up to 10 kg of cargo; and a ST D-20 aircraft-type drone capable of taking off and landing vertically; and the very first civil drone-helicopter BVS VT 440 in Russia, officially approved for operation in the country. The last car takes up to 100 kg of cargo into the sky with a delivery radius of 300 km. From the new products on the official website of the exhibition ripples in the eyes.

And what will happen when the layman is at the event offline? Here it is - the long-awaited equipment of the Russian army, its heavenly eyes and deliverers of "gifts" to the enemy's trenches.

Only now our fighters do not see this magnificence. There is hope for the six-bladed Supercam X4 drone, which is the only one of those presented at the exhibition that is mass-produced. The car was also presented at Army 2022, but so far there is no evidence of the presence of drones in Ukraine. Maybe because the share of Russian components does not exceed 70 percent. This is a very good result.


70% domestic Supercam X4. Source: mobilelegends.net

According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, by the end of 2022, the level of localization of drones is approximately 40 percent. In particular, Russian manufacturers independently manufacture "electric motors, the production of payloads is being established, including with optical and thermal imaging sensors of domestic production, domestic composites and resins are used, and electronic devices are localized."

A couple of years ago, they didn’t know how to do this either - the share of imports reached 90%. But by 2024, Russian manufacturers expect to achieve 70% localization.


Small-scale BVS VT 45. Source: radar-mms.com

By the way, the only primordially Russian drone at the Aeronet 2035 exhibition is called the Cyclocar air taxi, which still exists in the form of a mock-up. Otherwise, everything is fine with drones in Russia, they are exploring new areas of application, expanding their functionality and becoming more and more independent. But this is all spinning anywhere, but not on the fronts of a special operation, although all these 130 developers should have simply filled up the fighters with drones. On paper, everything is very good - in the nomenclature of Russian commercial and government developers of unmanned aircraft, there are more than a hundred different types of products!

The unambiguous name of the event "Aeronet 2035" very accurately illustrates the level of backwardness of the domestic industry. If you believe the comments of officials, then 2035 is called a watershed, after which a lot of UAVs will appear in the sky, which do not need a person either in the air or on the ground. It remains quite a bit before the new glorious world.

Enough about the sad, let's look at the main conceptual novelty of the forum - the first Russian vertical takeoff and landing aircraft "Ecolibri".

fighting hummingbird


A lot of things in the Russian industry are connected with electrification now. Unfortunately, there are not many projects tailored for domestic components. The project of the first vertical takeoff and landing aircraft in Russia "Ecolibri" is just one of this number.

The main idea of ​​the developers is clear from the name - to create an environmentally friendly aircraft. The Ecolibri flight range is planned to be about 1 km with an average speed of 200 km/h. The design hints at the possibility of transporting two or three people, or 270-300 kg of payload. There is no exact data on the power plant of the car, it is only known that they are planning a hybrid version. Energy-consuming take-off in all modes (with a small run-up or vertically) will be electric.

Horizontal flight is assumed due to two gas turbine engines with pusher propellers. Eight propellers are responsible for takeoff and landing, located four on two longitudinal beams. The outwardly laconic appearance of the Ecolibri is devoid of complex components, like a helicopter main rotor skew mechanism.


Model "Ecolibri". Source: ixbt.com

Alexei Rogozin, chairman of the scientific and technical council of the Ecolibri developer company, comments at the presentation of the model of the future drone:

“The VTOL aircraft will receive modern Russian avionics and will be made mainly on components produced in Russia. As a result, it will be more cost effective than helicopters in some applications. This is especially true for long routes, since due to the large area of ​​the wing, high aerodynamic characteristics can be ensured.”

He also publishes a vision of the military use of such products in his telegram channel. The hypothetical "Ecolibri-V" can be used as a repeater of control signals for strike and reconnaissance drones, a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, and even a hunter for enemy drones.

In hover mode, the thermal signature at high altitudes will tend to zero - only the radar will be able to detect the drone. Several hundred kilograms of payload can significantly expand the functionality of the machine.

Marching gas turbine engines that are not used for takeoff do not need to be built too powerful, which means they will be quiet enough. At low altitudes, this will allow the front lines to pass unnoticed and deliver everything necessary to blocked units. A sort of combat shuttle, not Ecolibri.

And of course, a hybrid drone is great for the most dangerous missions - delivering several hundred kilograms of bombs, missiles and other “cast iron” to the enemy.

So far, this idea is more theoretical than practically realizable. Even at the Aeronet 2035 exhibition, only a drone model was presented. But there are still certain hopes for implementation. They are connected with the construction of a plant for the production of lithium-ion cells and batteries for cars on the territory of the Baltic NPP in the Kaliningrad region.

The main designer of the enterprise is the Rosatom Corporation. There is no fundamental difference (except for weight and size restrictions) between an aircraft and a car lithium battery, so there is every reason to believe that the future Ecolibri will be equipped with a domestic product.


Project "Partizan". Source: ixbt.com

The Kaliningrad plant of Rosatom will provide the aviation industry with batteries not only for the project of an unmanned vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, but also for more prosaic vehicles. An illustrative example is the Partizan technology demonstrator aircraft, which should be able to take off from a platform of 50 by 50 meters. Approximately the same amount is needed for a Mi-8 class helicopter to take off into the air from a run.

The machine has been developed since September 2019 on the basis of the TVS-2MS Baikal aircraft. For the uninitiated, this is a modern interpretation of the well-deserved An-2 "corner", which is planned for production no earlier than 2024.

The main feature of the future "Partizan" should be the technology of active blowing by a distributed propeller group of the lower wing plane. Simply put, eight electric motors from the propeller will provide the lift required for a short takeoff.

The prototype of the Partizan was supposed to appear at the end of this year, but the lack of foreign components shifted the deadline to the right to 2023. In what quarter of next year the car will appear, the developer did not specify. There is no clarity with the timing of the construction of at least a technology demonstrator of the Ecolibri project.

It seems that the permanent shift of time to the right is becoming a habitual trend in modern technological Russia.
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  1. mitroha
    mitroha 26 November 2022 06: 06
    +17
    It seems that the permanent shift of time to the right is becoming a habitual trend in modern technological Russia.

    This is a hangover after "Why do we need production, we have money, we need what we need, and so we will buy it." I hope the hangover will be short-lived and will lead to a sober look and understanding that the independence of the country is, not least, the need to produce the main range of products domestically
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 26 November 2022 07: 49
      +12
      And the rest in Russia with drones, everything is fine ....

      It was very reminiscent of the song "All is well, beautiful marquise", in fact, after these words you can not read any further, searchlights, searchlights, and even the name Rogozin (how could it be without him?). And the decision to localize production in Kaliningrad, in the current situation, is generally beyond.
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 26 November 2022 08: 18
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And the decision to localize production in Kaliningrad, in the current situation...

        There are also our people and they also need work. This is me in general and in general, but as for the localization of production, it depends on many factors.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 26 November 2022 08: 39
          +6
          Quote: Tatar 174
          There are also our people and they also need work. This is me in general and in general, but as for the localization of production, it depends on many factors.

          Work, of course, everyone needs, but not at the borders with NATO, the first and only such production should be opened! There, and with logistics through the Baltic states, problems will arise sooner or later.
          1. Oleg812spb
            Oleg812spb 26 November 2022 16: 13
            +6
            Not otherwise, effective managers conceived to save on transportation costs when exporting
      2. Eroma
        Eroma 27 November 2022 10: 31
        -5
        Kaliningrad, apparently with an eye to export, was chosen, since in the Russian Federation there are no production facilities capable of consuming these batteries in sufficient volume to economically justify the production of batteries in the Russian Federation, and a factory of such batteries is wisely needed! At the moment, from an economic point of view, the decision is correct.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 27 November 2022 10: 47
          0
          Quote: Eroma
          Kaliningrad, apparently with an eye to export, was chosen, since in the Russian Federation there are no production facilities capable of consuming these batteries in sufficient volume to economically justify the production of batteries in the Russian Federation, and a factory of such batteries is wisely needed! At the moment, from an economic point of view, the decision is correct.

          What kind of export, when such batteries are needed in the Russian Federation? How is it that there are no devices for such batteries?
          The Kaliningrad plant of Rosatom will provide the aviation industry with batteries not only for the project of an unmanned vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, but also for more prosaic vehicles.
          Don't you need lithium-ion batteries for boats? This was the time to do it. And what will you do with transit through the Baltics? Criminal decision. Stalin apparently was not smart when he developed industry beyond the Urals?
      3. Andy_nsk
        Andy_nsk 3 December 2022 16: 45
        +1
        And the decision to localize production in Kaliningrad, in the current situation, is generally beyond.

        Did they decide to bury the Novosibirsk plant of lithium-ion batteries Liotech? Little did Chubais spread rot, do modern managers want to finish him off?
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 3 December 2022 16: 58
          -1
          Quote from Andy_nsk
          Did they decide to bury the Novosibirsk plant of lithium-ion batteries Liotech?

          Didn't even know this existed! I thought they were going to do it first. and the one in Kaliningrad.
          1. Andy_nsk
            Andy_nsk 3 December 2022 17: 23
            0
            As far as I know, Liotech has been dying for the entire time of its existence (for several years already, including the period when nanotechnologists took it under their control). And all the talk about the fact that it is unprofitable to produce batteries in Russia should be brought from China, they are cheaper. In general, the old song: we will sell oil, and we will buy all products for petrodollars. Effective managers have not gone away, they are still in all power structures.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 3 December 2022 17: 51
              -1
              Quote from Andy_nsk
              ... Effective managers have not gone away, they are still in all power structures.

              But who is arguing here?)))) If you look at the well-known events with a certain degree of abstraction, then sometimes I get the impression that today two Ukraines are fighting, one American and the other Chinese.
      4. Sergey777
        Sergey777 14 January 2023 17: 50
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        It was very reminiscent of the song "All is well, beautiful marquise", in fact, after these words you can not read any further, searchlights, searchlights, and even the name Rogozin (how could it be without him?). And the decision to localize production in Kaliningrad, in the current situation, is generally beyond.

        No, everything is simpler - the customs there is cheap (special economic zone), so all screwdriver production is developing there. Because of this, it is cheaper to transport it from China there, as it were.
    2. filibuster
      filibuster 27 November 2022 19: 00
      +2
      "Why do we need production, we have money, we will buy what we need"


      According to legend, this phrase is attributed to Gaidar, uttered in 91 in a conversation with the ex-Minister of Machine-Tool and Tool Industry of the USSR Nikolai Panichev, well, as if Gaidar himself had not been in the ministry at 94 and so many years have passed that the question arises of what he has been doing for the last 22 years the current leader of the country and his government.
      Not to mention the fact that here you can ask Panichev himself a question, how did it happen that in the USSR, despite all the efforts, hundreds of design bureaus and research institutes, the presence of “free” designers and engineers, and the machines could not even come close to being compared with machines from cap. countries.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2022 06: 33
    +6
    I remember that during the years of perestroika, Leontiev, an American economist, came, he was asked how to get out of the crisis? Answered: You have technologies where you are 50 years ahead of the West, develop them, reach a new level ..
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 26 November 2022 10: 22
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      I remember that during the years of perestroika, Leontiev, an American economist, came, he was asked how to get out of the crisis? Answered: You have technologies where you are 50 years ahead of the West, develop them, reach a new level ..

      In addition, he also said: - "Do not try to destroy the State Planning Commission."
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 26 November 2022 10: 30
        +4
        But they did it, the opposite was true .. How many years they missed .. And time, as they say, in the West is money and other goodies ...
      2. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 26 November 2022 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: parusnik
        I remember that during the years of perestroika, Leontiev, an American economist, came, he was asked how to get out of the crisis? Answered: You have technologies where you are 50 years ahead of the West, develop them, reach a new level ..

        In addition, he also said: - "Do not try to destroy the State Planning Commission."

        And when the Nobel laureate in economics Joseph Stiglitz came, after meeting with the young reformers ... Gaidar, Chubais, and so on, he said, these guys are untrained, it is impossible to deal with them.
  3. dauria
    dauria 26 November 2022 06: 34
    +5
    Alexei Rogozin, Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council of the Ecolibri developer company



    Now the main thing is what? Keep a mile away from the budget until a 1:1 scale demonstrator of this "futuristic" idea flies by with the declared weight for the declared range . I did not think that I would live to see this - there is no one to send Ostap Bender with a frank "project" to the forest.
    "Extraordinary lightness of thoughts" let them pay from their own pockets.
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 26 November 2022 07: 42
      0
      Rogozinsky Il-112V has already taken off... This "exemplary family man, father of three children" must be judged!
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 26 November 2022 07: 50
        +3
        Quote: Greg Miller
        This "exemplary family man, father of three children" needs to be judged!

        Not his alone.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 26 November 2022 10: 29
        +2
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Rogozinsky Il-112V has already taken off... This "exemplary family man, father of three children" must be judged!

        I will not approve, but it seems to me that Rogozin has nothing to do with the design of the aircraft. He is, so to speak, a "manager". How effective I do not presume to judge. The fact that the plane did not fly is the fault of the design bureau and its chief designer.
        1. Alexey Lantukh
          Alexey Lantukh 27 November 2022 20: 33
          0
          I do not think that 112 silt flew off. The problem was in the engines. They will bring it and things will move. The problem is also that our design school has almost died and is only being revived. In short, money needs to be poured into engine building and the training of designers.
          1. 2112vda
            2112vda 30 November 2022 07: 34
            +2
            Everything is correct. But you need to be careful with money, they will steal it. The trend of recent years was to take homemade motorcyclists and motorists and they sculpted aircraft engines. The principle was simple, since I know how to change candles and filters myself, then designing an aircraft engine is like "two fingers on asphalt." How it all ended is perfectly visible. The problem is that earlier in the design environment there was continuity of generations and mentoring. Now it's all destroyed, money alone will not help the cause here. Universities provide only the initial basis of knowledge, a specialist designer-engineer is formed in production, and in our country they closed most of the engine factories and dispersed the engine design bureaus. So the revival of engine building in Russia will be long and painful. What they fought for and ran into, thank the liberals and other democrats of the common people.
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 30 November 2022 17: 53
            +1
            that 112 silt flew off. The problem was in the engines.

            The problem is goal-setting, and not this, in the West, success is to create a product and make money on sales, in the Russian Federation, success is not a product, but a waste of budget money in your pocket. Steal and dump. That is why there is no result.
            Managers, losers who failed projects, should lose their positions, but in our country, on the contrary, they are promoted.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 30 November 2022 17: 44
          -1
          .

          Rogozin has nothing to do with the design of the aircraft. He is, so to speak, a "manager"

          You need to first check with the dictionary what a manager is.
          Just Rogozin organizes the selection of personnel, designers of engineers, the purchase of equipment, etc. Rogozin must control the work of the designer, and dismiss those who are negligent.
          How effective I do not presume to judge. The fact that the plane did not fly is the fault of the design bureau and its chief designer.

          The effectiveness of a manager is measured by the presence or absence of a result, the result is 0 and the manager is also 0
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 2 December 2022 17: 26
            0
            Quote: nickname7

            Just Rogozin organizes the selection of personnel, designers of engineers, the purchase of equipment, etc. Rogozin must control the work of the designer, and dismiss those who are negligent.

            What are you saying. You are wrong about everything. Rogozin received a ready-made plant with his design bureau under his control. Was he supposed to determine in the shortest possible time who was a pro in the design bureau, and who clicked the seeds? Not being an aircraft designer himself. However. Even if he fantasizes, he revealed incompetent employees in the design bureau, where will he find capable ones in the shortest possible time? Are they standing in line at the reception? By the way, this is the work of the chief designer - the selection of design engineers, and not the director of the plant. The only one whom Rogozin, as a director, could change was the chief designer.
            1. nickname7
              nickname7 2 December 2022 20: 36
              -1
              Was he supposed to determine in the shortest possible time who was a pro in the design bureau, and who clicked the seeds?

              And in your opinion, the leader is purely a decoration, he doesn’t owe anything?
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 November 2022 06: 41
    +10
    They are connected with the construction of a plant for the production of lithium-ion cells and batteries for cars on the territory of the Baltic NPP in the Kaliningrad region.

    What kind of madness is this... building a key plant near the NATO border... what kind of pest chose this place in the middle of Russophobic countries... few sanctions and blockades?
    1. Guran33 Sergey
      Guran33 Sergey 26 November 2022 12: 52
      +3
      Moreover, in the light of the fact that NATO members Estonia and Finland will block the passage for dual-use goods and ala-ul!
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 26 November 2022 06: 55
    +3
    The project of the first vertical takeoff and landing aircraft in Russia "Ecolibri" is just one of this number.

    Eco flooded you after "Baikal" ... wassat
  6. Bingo
    Bingo 26 November 2022 07: 09
    +5
    I don’t see any practical point in vertical take-off vehicles. From the point of view of economy, it is more logical to shove a repeater onto an airship, it can hang up to a carrot spell. For small aircraft - maize. 200 meters of a flat surface without trees and ditches for its planting can be found anywhere. In very peak situations - a helicopter, it is clear that a vertical take-off aircraft, for which the vertical is not the main mode, is worse than a helicopter in landing accuracy, and in a city for rescue services, for example, a helicopter will not force out.
    It is possible to work out the option, but the practical application is not visible.
    And for small drones, the era of which all the armies of the world overslept (yeah, in the USA, too, Maviks are in service - no, no matter how far the hamsters are), so here the headache is not to make the Mavik itself, but a secure communication channel with it, besides not emitting a transmitter to the entire district, otherwise the operator will be shot.
    1. faiver
      faiver 26 November 2022 08: 31
      +2
      shove on the airship, it can hang up to the carrot spell
      - it can’t, it’s enough to see that there is actually no use of airships ...
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 26 November 2022 13: 09
        +3

        AWACS airship. USA, 2021. For that matter, there are NO repeater drones
        1. faiver
          faiver 26 November 2022 16: 25
          0
          Let's start with the fact that the photo is at least 10 years old, it is there alone somewhere in Utah, the elevation is 3 km, the viewing radius is 180 km. how many hemorrhoids with him we do not know ....
          1. Bingo
            Bingo 26 November 2022 16: 42
            +2
            I won’t argue - I’m incompetent in this area, it’s just that it made me laugh, I read English-language periodicals for general development, and it’s very specific-technical, it was this year that I often came across articles about some kind of development of airships there for the US Air Force, too amazing...
            No, according to the logic of things ... Here is the dirigopel in the picture - monitoring of the Mexican border, no military operations are expected, and the AWACS range is in direct correlation with the height above the ground. Hanging will be orders of magnitude longer than the plane, and jambs ... There are not very many of them. Helium is a side effect for him in gas production, for example, a mooring mast or a maintenance hangar ... Sorry, not the same order of things as air-conditioned hangars for B-2, which the budget pulled. What else is left of the hemorrhoid?
            1. faiver
              faiver 26 November 2022 17: 02
              +1
              Pay attention to the publication date on the link and find the differences in the photo...
              https://texnomaniya.ru/aviation-news/dirizhabl-drlo-jekonomichnee-samoleta-avaks.html
              I did not find a photo of airships on the Mexican border request
              The main hemorrhoid in airships is windage
              1. Bingo
                Bingo 26 November 2022 17: 11
                +3
                wink
                When you objected, I looked ahead) Well, namely, that this derijople met me, they were positioned as hospitals on the border with Mexico. Well, as for "flying away" - well, right) To anchor the aircraft carrier mona - but the dirigible balloon, several orders of magnitude less - no way?
                1. faiver
                  faiver 26 November 2022 18: 08
                  -1
                  if the hospital is shot down from a large-caliber rifle or machine gun, or MANPADS, it’s not tricky, the goal is big
                  1. Bingo
                    Bingo 26 November 2022 18: 36
                    +2
                    A couple of sections to make a hole mona, sorry, have you ever laid in excess? You see a balloon, at a height - unknown. Well, let's say 1 km. You cut the distance TO THE CYLINDER with a laser rangefinder, a cheap and common thing. I assure you, you’ll hit the hell out, shooting back with tracers, if you don’t know the specifics.
                    And here I'm sorry, I know something.
                    1. faiver
                      faiver 26 November 2022 19: 16
                      0
                      more than a hundred years ago they managed to shoot with a canopy from maxims, and now the cartels, which are little limited in armament on the Mexican border, will find something to bring down the hanging bubble hi
                      1. Bingo
                        Bingo 26 November 2022 19: 36
                        0
                        Sir, well, the sections went and the abolition of hydrogen in favor of helium
                        However, I'm sorry, I'm drunk)
    2. Skif84
      Skif84 26 November 2022 10: 31
      +3
      The US Army abandoned the use of quadrics in favor of the RQ-11 Raven UAV. In 2007, they had more than seven thousand devices in their linear units, where did they oversleep? Now it seems to be the third generation of these machines, just with all the characteristics you listed in service.
      1. Proctologist
        Proctologist 26 November 2022 13: 15
        0
        so, like, they themselves admit that they overslept! No one expected that the value of commercial drones ("maviks") would be as great on the battlefield as their consumption. *Suddenly* it turned out that the production of similar, but not civilian, but military quadrocopters is simply no. I think they will fix it soon, woke up.
    3. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 27 November 2022 20: 40
      +1
      VTOL aircraft are good for that. that consume less fuel than helicopters and fly faster. As for communication, the most secure channel is satellite, and satellite is a problematic device for us.
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 27 November 2022 20: 57
        0
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        that use less fuel

        Sir, I'm sorry, it's not even a lie
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        and the satellite is a problematic device for us.

        Take an interest in the satellites with the name Yamal - how much, why, the coverage band ... For fun for you - NTV was just a joke, well, you can do this, we cover everything in one hell) Young man, you are mistaken. as if softer ... Specifically
        By the way, for the Yamals - not in pedivikia, of course they cleaned it up, the Yamals were not with a cell, to put it mildly
        1. Alexey Lantukh
          Alexey Lantukh 28 November 2022 12: 40
          0
          Take an interest in the life of our (on our element base of electronics) and American satellites.
  7. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 26 November 2022 07: 14
    +18
    A hallmark of recent times has been endless announcements. Which absolutely no one performs, and no one controls. What about state programs, what about weapons. They showed the leadership of the country and TV lovers, everyone was delighted, you can do nothing further, and the first and second, like guppies, forgot everything.
    The second point, why announce everything "unparalleled"? Some idiocy! What if our partners in the west and east, who have serious technological and raw material advantages, would quickly bring all this to life?
    Make it a secret, let it go into the series, then “announce”. Although, some kind of nonsense, why announce that countermeasures would be adopted? let there be a surprise for the enemy.
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 26 November 2022 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      The second point, why announce everything "unparalleled"? Some idiocy! What if our partners in the west and east, who have serious technological and raw material advantages, would quickly bring all this to life?

      Here the solution is simple.
      As a rule, all these widely advertised Russian products "having no analogues in the world" have no real basis. And they exist only in the minds of projectors, in drawings, fantasies and plastic models (remember the demonstrations of the spacecraft "Orel" and ask - when will this miracle not only fly, but at least be brought to mind in metal on Earth?).
      So there is no danger that the insidious West will steal the priceless latest Russian developments. For they, these developments, are made only for extortion of money. And with ideas in the West, and so not bad. Who is accustomed to steal from whom and what and steals today is a big question.
      1. Patriot228
        Patriot228 26 November 2022 12: 23
        +4
        There is one more feature, hehe, that "management" forgets about. To stand still, you have to run, I have come across a lot of "effective management", and so they have a complete misunderstanding of the personnel market. All the results achieved are the legacy of the "damned scoop" with a training system, selection, accumulation of resources, and in order to be able to make a device that we knew how to make 10 years ago, all these 10 years we had to pay money to engineers and researchers, and not "director directors" , and if the money is not paid, then competencies are lost. If you started making such an aircraft 12 years ago, the probability of success would be many times higher. You can’t just take and do something, defrost, etc., because. specialists and technologies can be lost forever. The Russian military-industrial complex held on due to an excess number of engineers, attracting talents for 70 years to these industries, so that what worked before will no longer work.
      2. Proctologist
        Proctologist 26 November 2022 13: 21
        +4
        Completely agree! The value of "implement" is much higher than "invent" as demonstrated by Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. Moreover, I will give an example with the consequences of the introduction. The automotive industry was considered strategic and all developed countries are struggling to have/keep their own. Why? Yes, just because the automotive industry is demanding on a wide range of subcontractors, if you can make your own car, then metal rolling is normal, and an engineering school, electronics, as well as plastics, chemistry, etc. etc. That is, the car is a litmus test of the whole "pumped" domestic industry. When we are hinted at some super-duper secret materials for even more super-secret flying planes, and bulletproof vests are purchased in Iran, then a natural assumption arises that these materials (their industrial production) exist only in the form of cartoons and requests for budgets .
        1. Patriot228
          Patriot228 26 November 2022 13: 28
          +1
          And I used to hear that a gas turbine engine is like a litmus test, but it doesn’t matter. By the way, it may be expedient, for example, for the United States to close some production facilities, tk. they will be able to cooperate, but we cannot afford such a luxury, as it turned out.
  8. Sadok
    Sadok 26 November 2022 07: 24
    +2
    Quote: dauria
    Now the main thing is what?

    Extinguish this family, parasitizing on the Russian Federation
  9. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 November 2022 07: 31
    +4
    Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
    They showed the leadership of the country and TV lovers, everyone was delighted, you can do nothing further, and the first and second, like guppies, forgot everything.

    What is true is true...
    When I remember Berezovsky’s E-mobile and Chubais’s tablets, I shudder so much ... is it really someone they take for divorce again ... they will collect money from gullible suckers both among the people and in the government and the project is safely closed ... they come up with a bunch of reasons to justify.
    Since the time of Peter 1, this scam has been going on without strict control over the cunning businessmen of supplies for the army and navy ... the sovereign's feeder is very sweet.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 26 November 2022 08: 36
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      E-mobile Berezovsky

      Yo-mobile is the unborn brainchild of M. Prokhorov. hi
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 26 November 2022 08: 46
        +6
        Prokhorov was already later ...
        I mean Berezovsky's people's car scam... when he was raising money for AVVA...
        The money was collected and the office "Horns and Hooves" after that was safely closed by stealing the money of depositors. request
  10. evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 November 2022 07: 49
    +6
    That's how they will build it then and you can talk. And so, let's talk about the military prospects of the death star from ster wars? Well, what is not, there is no difference at all?
    1. Patriot228
      Patriot228 26 November 2022 13: 50
      +6
      Do you have a plastic layout? Otherwise, you can also set up the Death Star JSC company of 1 person, call Olga Buzova as the chairman of the scientific council and Danya Milokhin as the chief director of directorate programs, make a plastic model and ask the state for 1 billion. I don’t know what will come out in the end, but for 5 years with a good salary, an office somewhere in Moscow City, a car with a driver, attach friends and buddies, there will be enough receptions, banquets, and then what can you do, the Americans will impose nasty sanctions , will not be able to run. Pay the Russian people, pay for Barchuk's amusements.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 26 November 2022 15: 13
        +4
        You briefly outlined a business plan for how to do business in Russia during the sanctions. And the layout can be bought on aliexpress or in the children's world, it will give a ride.
  11. faiver
    faiver 26 November 2022 08: 32
    +1
    another "beautiful far away" - give money, give money .....
  12. Curt
    Curt 26 November 2022 08: 38
    +2
    Let them first at least build 100+ Tu-204 already mastered, ready-made and adjusted, and then this is in the future tense ....
  13. katarsafebox.com
    katarsafebox.com 26 November 2022 10: 58
    -1
    This contraption has no military prospects. Actually, as practice shows, such garbage is generally unpromising.
  14. Patriot228
    Patriot228 26 November 2022 12: 14
    +3
    From open sources, JSC Ecolibri has 1 person on the payroll, the shareholders are hidden. How did they get licenses? Who is sponsoring them? Is this another "schematosis"? Today is 26.11.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, don’t go to a fortune teller, everything will end with a complete zilch. Again, something gets in the way! Ukrainians, Bandera, NATO, UFO will steal drawings, will not give a license. The whole universe will be ready to smear the failure of the next "brainchild". Whatever this camarilla undertakes, the result is the same.
  15. Sergey Romanchenko
    Sergey Romanchenko 26 November 2022 13: 04
    +4
    In fact, for small companies, the main enemy is OUR customs!
    My hobby is collecting drones. I ordered 10 rev knorollers our custom made tremble. As it was written on the parcel "ESC contoller for drone x 10" our customs immediately - "Someone ordered something for DRONES, urgently ban the import of demonic evil spirits into our country !!!" and I was left with nothing. Then I asked that they just write the name of the microcircuits and everything went well for me.
    Controllers are consumables and cost 5 bucks apiece, one for each motor. .
    I can’t imagine how hard it is for small offices now, when the customs realized that volunteers began to order thousands of drones and spare parts for them, guards in uniform that you can cash in on #uenn$.

    I say, if you had given the terms of reference and there would have been no customs, our micro manufacturers would now fill up ours with new drones, and for 5-10% of the cost that the manufacturer ZALA Aero has.

    Excuse me, but I am engaged in auto modeling and am familiar with the mat part and just go nuts from this ZALA aero. And that now there are no simple eagles 10, which, by the way, has an analog camera (because such a picture) Their kamikaze drone of the hall costs 75 bucks.
    With mass production, its real cost for a kamikaze will be a maximum of 7 bucks, and then if it is made and high-end electronics, each spare part is made of carbon.

    Damn, when will this infa reach our thoughts?
    Enter BET and SMERSH.
  16. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 26 November 2022 15: 42
    -1
    The concept of transport VTOL aircraft is promising and useful. Often there are situations when pointwise (as in a helicopter) drop off cargo or passengers at such a distance and in such time that only aircraft can do it. I would only use the experience of building and operating this machine (if it goes to a real flight model, and not as we like to create an apparatus limited to a layout) to create a more useful and multifunctional one. Able to accommodate one pilot and 4-6 passengers.
  17. usm5
    usm5 26 November 2022 16: 45
    +2
    Permanent shift of terms comes from permanent short-sightedness. Who else came up with the idea of ​​building a plant of strategic importance in Kaliningrad, which will inevitably be either captured or destroyed at the very beginning of hostilities.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 November 2022 16: 59
    +3
    There are problems with simple schemes: a simple maize and a simple il112-114 ... .. if they also launched An2 into the series. , I think there are a lot of people from Antonov Design Bureau who would not have survived until retirement
  19. Chief Officer Lom
    Chief Officer Lom 26 November 2022 17: 50
    +3
    Well, our mock-up construction is excellent, sometimes it even reaches the stage of operating samples with an unclear percentage of localization, the correspondence of the obtained characteristics to the declared ones and the prospects for production at the country's enterprises.
  20. Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 November 2022 22: 22
    0
    What a lie.
    "Military perspectives of the first Russian VTOL aircraft "Ecolibri""
    one could write if there was an airplane. At least one.

    But there is no plane. This means that there are no prospects for the title.
    As far as I understand, all these hybrids of an aircraft and a quadrocopter - and of the Partizan type - have no prospects. Many engines - high cost of operation and the possibility of failure - low performance characteristics due to air resistance
    Perhaps only in the mountains, such as the Caucasus, but ... it is also unprofitable to make a small series, and they will not allocate money for single experiments, as in "terrible bending Europe and America". (there are already different working flying cars)
  21. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 27 November 2022 10: 00
    0
    What "prospects" do you see? The capabilities of helicopters are already half used.
    And where are the valiant Airborne Forces? They abandoned it near Kyiv, and then brilliantly relocated 1000 km away.
    AND EVERYTHING !!!
    And about the "aircraft", I'm sure, another attempt to pull the budget loot.
    Let me remind you: in our military leadership, "effective managers" have long been wound up. Officially recognized!!!!!
  22. Alexander Rasmukhambetov
    Alexander Rasmukhambetov 27 November 2022 11: 22
    0
    The pictures are beautiful, again everything will be taken away as a result, it will not be, as always.
  23. Illanatol
    Illanatol 27 November 2022 13: 53
    0
    Quote from Bingo
    I don’t see any practical point in vertical take-off vehicles. From the point of view of economy, it is more logical to shove a repeater onto an airship, it can hang up to a carrot spell. For small aircraft - maize. 200 meters of a flat surface without trees and ditches for its planting can be found anywhere. In very peak situations - a helicopter, it is clear that a vertical take-off aircraft, for which the vertical is not the main mode, is worse than a helicopter in landing accuracy, and in a city for rescue services, for example, a helicopter will not force out.


    There is still a practical meaning. Light attack aircraft, preferably unmanned, capable of taking off from any level ground. The airship is not suitable for assault operations. Helicopter - loses in speed, and in combat radius. The optimum for an attack is 600-800 km / h, the radius is 500-600 km.
    And of course for the fleet. Lightweight unmanned vertical aircraft (with a takeoff weight of up to 10 tons) can be fitted into ships that our industry is capable of pulling. They may well be used to detect enemy submarines and fight submarines.
  24. vasyavolkov
    vasyavolkov 28 November 2022 15: 33
    0
    Judging by the name of the head of "Rogozin", the family has not stopped and another drink of budget money is being prepared.
  25. Bumblebee
    Bumblebee 28 November 2022 16: 05
    0
    Right now I was watching a video from Almaz Antey about the release of domestic drones Dobrynya and Gorynych)))) By the way, they write that all the details are 100% their own))) Launched into series and will compete with Mavik https://t.me/c/ 1766288953/8823
  26. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 30 November 2022 18: 31
    +1
    Well, since Rogozin Jr. is in charge, it is clear that this is another cut of the state. dough. In 30 years, the commission will come and be surprised to find that there are no purchased 500 (or how many of them there) 8-engine environmentally friendly aircraft in the warehouses ...
  27. BorzRio
    BorzRio 30 November 2022 20: 48
    +1
    I think it is extremely wrong to call another plastic model at the exhibition a "new Russian aircraft". Because it doesn't actually exist. It should be called like this - the company presented a model of the developed hybrid aircraft VVP. All. Enough empty names and fairy tales.
  28. anclevalico
    anclevalico 2 December 2022 07: 29
    +1
    And where is the famous Dobrynya - Nazgul? And a stocking-clad robotic dog with a grenade launcher? Didn't have time to drive up with Ali?
  29. Expert
    Expert 3 December 2022 23: 46
    0
    The prototype of the Partizan was supposed to appear at the end of this year, but the lack of foreign components shifted the deadline to the right to 2023.
    What parts were missing? There is a Baikal aircraft in carbon fiber, there is a TVD-20 engine, electric motors are being produced. Maybe the developers are waiting for a sale on Alibaba to buy batteries at a discount?
  30. acetophenone
    acetophenone 5 December 2022 17: 42
    0
    Again, models and layouts were planed and sold ... Guys, we are missing the most important thing - the production of means of production. If it is not there, Russia is a colossus (well, what it is, well, let it be a colossus lol ) on feet of clay.
  31. All the details
    All the details 22 January 2023 00: 47
    0
    That's how many LAYOUTS of different types of aircraft do you need? Pay money - we'll do it. And we will fill the exhibition! And you ask: where are the engines, Lyokha Rogozin? - but we don’t have our own or we’ll buy from the Chinese. ! First, try to make engines, and THEN THE POTATO BOX will fly on them. And not vice versa.