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Ammunition shortages and losses: the process of demilitarization of Ukrainian artillery

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Ammunition shortages and losses: the process of demilitarization of Ukrainian artillery
MLRS M142 one of the first deliveries. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation



Ukrainian armed formations daily consume a large amount of various ammunition, mainly artillery shells and small arms cartridges. weapons. In the course are both their own stocks and ammunition from abroad. At the same time, the Kyiv regime has long been faced with the problem of a lack of artillery systems and ammunition for them. All this reduces the real combat effectiveness of its formations and contributes to new successes of the Russian army.

Limited opportunities


Unfortunately, there is no exact data on the consumption of ammunition by Ukrainian formations. The Kyiv regime, even if it has data of this kind, does not disclose it. At the same time, there are a number of assessments of various kinds, allowing us to draw some conclusions.

According to various sources, in recent months Ukrainian artillery fires only a few thousand shots a day. For example, Colonel Douglas McGregor, ex-adviser to former US President D. Trump, recently spoke of spending at the level of 7 shells per day. This number includes ammunition of different calibers, up to 152 and 155 mm.

The use of multiple launch rocket systems is reported almost daily, incl. imported M270 or M142. In their case, the consumption of ammunition is much lower. So, from reports on the combat operation of HIMARS systems, it follows that they fire one packet of six missiles, after which they leave the position. This method of combat use dramatically reduces the consumption of ammunition, and also reduces the possible effectiveness.


Howitzer L119 received from the UK. Photo Telegram / ChDambiev

Despite significant numbers, the actual density and effectiveness of Ukrainian artillery fire remains low. With the current size of the combat zone, there are no more than 5-7 shells per day per kilometer of the front. Even with the concentration of guns in critical areas, low indicators remain.

In addition, the terrorist nature of the use of weapons negatively affects the overall effectiveness. So, the technical advantages of the M142 MLRS are used mainly for shelling cities and civilian objects - without any sense in military terms. At the same time, even a limited number of ammunition causes sensitive damage and hits the morale of the population.

Return fire


The indicators and capabilities of Ukrainian formations should be compared with the fire potential of the Russian army. Already in the first days and weeks of the Special Operation, our troops formed powerful artillery groups in all main directions, many times superior to the enemy forces.

According to various estimates, Russian artillery fires about 20-25 thousand shells and missiles daily. During periods of increased hostilities, it is believed that this figure almost doubled. Other types of troops are also actively working, which increases the overall consumption of ammunition. As a result, in terms of nominal firepower, the enemy loses many times over to our troops.


Italian gun FH-70. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

The use of such potential is of great importance. Cannon and rocket artillery concentrate on the main directions and concentrate fire on important targets. Due to this, it has already been possible to destroy several fortification systems in the occupied part of Donbass, and now the following similar objects are being destroyed.

Stock and delivery


According to The Military Balance 2022, at the beginning of 2022, the Ukrainian armed forces had more than 1800 artillery systems of all classes and types. Also, a number of guns and MLRS were in storage, and these weapons were later reactivated and returned to service. Almost all such weapons and equipment went to them during the collapse of the USSR. Independently managed to produce only a few dozen systems.

In addition, large warehouses of military units, as well as several large ammunition storage bases, remained on the territory of independent Ukraine. They were attended by at least hundreds of thousands of tons of various shells, missiles, cartridges, etc. These stocks were gradually sold off on the international market. In addition, since 2014 ammunition from the warehouses has been used against the republics of Donbass. At the same time, far from all the available reserves were used up.

Warehouses of missile and artillery weapons of the Ukrainian army became one of the first targets for forced demilitarization. Strikes on the main objects of this kind were inflicted in the first weeks and months of the Special Operation. Then the process of identifying and destroying smaller warehouses began, incl. right in the war zone. As a result of such an impact, Ukrainian formations could lose several million ammunition.

In February-March, a number of foreign countries began to supply the Kyiv regime with artillery systems and various types of ammunition. First, Soviet-designed guns and the corresponding shots were transferred. Subsequently, deliveries of NATO-style weapons and ammunition began.


Howitzer M777 with a tractor truck. It will be destroyed soon. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

According to the latest data, foreign countries delivered to Ukraine several hundred artillery systems - towed and self-propelled cannon, as well as jet. In addition, a large number of shells were transferred. Thus, the United States shipped more than 1 million shells of several calibers. Hundreds of thousands of ammunition came from other countries.

However, such assistance has a very limited effect. A significant part of the artillery systems has already been knocked out or become trophies. Also, our army destroyed a large number of warehouses with foreign ammunition. Similar processes of reduction of Ukrainian artillery are successfully continuing to this day.

The contraction continues


Not so long ago, just at the beginning of this year, Ukrainian formations had a fairly large number of various artillery systems and had large stocks of shells and missiles of all necessary types. However, already at the end of February, almost immediately after the start of the Special Operation, the situation began to change.

Within a few weeks, the Russian army destroyed or took control of the main storage bases and weapons depots. In parallel, in one way or another, enemy artillery was destroyed. The situation of the Ukrainian formations worsened, and a real shortage of weapons and ammunition appeared on the horizon.

Foreign states helped the Kyiv regime with the supply of various weapons and ammunition. However, the volume of such assistance does not correspond to the scale of the problem. To date, Ukraine has lost 4500 artillery systems of all types, while foreign aid included only hundreds of guns and combat vehicles. A similar situation is observed in the field of ammunition. 1-1,5 million shells and thousands of missiles are not enough to make up for losses from Russian strikes.


The D-20 gun was detected by a reconnaissance drone. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

In recent months, the share and role of foreign weapons and ammunition in Ukrainian artillery has been gradually growing. Now she actually cannot fight without foreign help. However, foreign states have already faced the problem of depletion of their own reserves and the impossibility of producing the required volumes of products. It cannot be ruled out that in the near future these factors will lead to a reduction in assistance to Ukraine.

In general, there is reason to believe that the state of Ukrainian artillery will continue to deteriorate. It already has limited combat capabilities, and there is simply no potential for growth. In addition, all current risks remain. The Russian army will continue to identify and engage guns in positions, as well as destroy ammunition depots and other important objects. In this case, the losses of the enemy will exceed the volume of deliveries from abroad.

Predictable results


Thus, the Russian army continues to destroy the military potential of Ukraine, and in these processes, special attention is paid to the fight against artillery. To date, methodically and without haste, it has been possible to knock out the main part of the Ukrainian guns and MLRS, and also to leave them without millions of shots. Foreign deliveries of weapons and ammunition affected the pace of such demilitarization, but did not affect the main trends.

The prospects for the current situation are clear. Our armed forces will continue to destroy artillery and other types of enemy troops and fight against the supporting infrastructure. The end result of this could be the complete destruction of Ukrainian artillery, incl. to the detriment of the combat capability of third countries that have shared their weapons. The only question is the timing of such a defeat.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 04: 54
    +38
    Please tell me, are the words "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" suitable for this article, or not?
    1. Asad
      Asad 24 November 2022 05: 25
      +32
      If the entire CBO would have passed according to the conclusions of this author, then I think it has long since ended. But unfortunately it hasn't worked out yet.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 November 2022 05: 57
        +27
        Quote: ASAD
        If the entire CBO would have passed according to the conclusions of this author, then I think it has long since ended. But unfortunately it hasn't worked out yet.

        Yes, just like a report at a solemn meeting of "EP" is read.
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 24 November 2022 06: 36
        +1
        As a result, in terms of nominal firepower, the enemy loses many times over to our troops.

        In terms of grinding ukroreich, this, of course, helps. But in terms of fulfilling the tasks of the NWO, without increasing, perhaps a multiple, the number of fighters on the LBS, it will not work
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 24 November 2022 07: 52
          +2
          Quote: Mitroha
          But in terms of fulfilling the tasks of the NWO, without increasing, perhaps a multiple, the number of fighters on the LBS, it will not work

          Maybe it will work out, only the people there feel sorry
      3. nickname7
        nickname7 24 November 2022 11: 11
        +7
        This is the advertising style of VO to smooth out sharp corners, and then the members of the forum become depressed from regroupings and surrendering territories.
      4. ZenKoriolan
        ZenKoriolan 29 November 2022 09: 20
        0
        Quote: ASAD
        If the entire CBO would have passed according to the conclusions of this author, then I think it has long since ended. But unfortunately it hasn't worked out yet.

        One Himars in terms of efficiency replaces a dozen guns
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 24 November 2022 05: 34
      +14
      Where did the author get such statistics from? Just the opposite is true. The amount of ammunition supplied to Ukraine is increasing. To the delight of the American military-industrial complex, Lend-Lease has earned. Rose-colored glasses for the author, this is certainly good, a kind of positive. It's sad that it doesn't solve the problem.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 24 November 2022 09: 25
        +6
        Quote: Proxima
        Where did the author get such statistics from? Just the opposite is true.

        American data (USDepartament of Defense)
        deliveries of 155-mm OFS by months:
        April-184 thousand
        May - at least 200
        June - 311
        July - 155
        August - 150
        September - no
        October - 98
        November - 21 (for now).
        The annual output of the US industry of 155-mm shells is fired by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2 weeks (C, "dug up on the net").
        1. haron
          haron 24 November 2022 10: 05
          +11
          Quote: vvvjak
          American data (USDepartament of Defense)

          Direct deliveries from the US DoD is like selling pies that have already been paid for three times and are already past due. There are suppliers for 155 (and even separately OFS))) at least two dozen. What is the point of pulling all the information through MO when the manufacturer, and not only in the USA, does everything directly or through private intermediaries.
          What you listed is a needle in a haystack.
    3. Negro
      Negro 24 November 2022 14: 19
      +4
      This cycle is called "little, late, useless".
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 24 November 2022 04: 58
    +10
    the density and effectiveness of Ukrainian artillery fire remains low
    I will believe when the shelling of the LDNR stops!
    1. Asad
      Asad 24 November 2022 06: 02
      +12
      According to the military correspondents who are at the forefront, they are surprised by the accuracy of the defeat of the Krajina artillery. Someone is probably lying.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 24 November 2022 09: 06
        +5
        Well, first of all, this is a subjective assessment. You don't need to be guided by it. In practice, statistics are usually used - how many shells were fired by a particular system to hit a target. Our military correspondents sometimes write such nonsense that one can quote Putin's words regarding Peskov.
        secondly, if we talk about the SVO, then in the first months our artillery worked according to the classics (it’s not clear what the author is proud of here): they rolled out at once with almost the entire division and let’s hammer on the squares. What is the result - and who knows? They didn’t even hear about adjustment with the help of UAVs. The expense is large, there is no sense.
        1. haron
          haron 24 November 2022 10: 13
          +6
          Quote: Ka-52
          The expense is large, there is no sense.

          And ask the military correspondents how often the gun fights with a ban, not counting all sorts of "bolts, strikers, parels ..." well, other constructive art systems of the allied design. Plus, how and where is the BC stored before shooting (temperature, all sorts of humidity, etc. "labuda").
          And the main question. Anyone who uses pipes at least understands the impact of such "little things" on the accuracy of a shot?
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 24 November 2022 11: 08
          +2
          hitting the squares. What is the result - and who knows?

          Entire fields were sown with funnels, and this is the result. At the same time, they themselves stood in a heap and the Himars destroyed entire columns of the Russian Federation with one volley.
          But all the same, the Ministry of Defense is studying, part of the columns began to comply with the charter and keep a large distance, they are also preparing the military. specialty "UAV operator", they began to use the "Lancet" more in the technique of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
          1. stankow
            stankow 2 December 2022 01: 33
            0
            Many funnels are the work of turntables. And they are small in number. And arta is plowed forest belts.
  3. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 24 November 2022 04: 59
    +3
    This is the right tactic. But I think it would be more effective in combination with (for the hundredth time I am writing about this) strikes on the border regions of Ukraine with Poland. Destruction of artillery and ammunition on the line of contact, and minimization of supply opportunities from the west. In the end, if the warehouses of NATO countries are empty, this does not mean that the production of ammunition does not work there.
    1. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 24 November 2022 06: 17
      +2
      And ask how then to deliver equipment and ammunition to the front? wassat commercials my friend and the war can end well. And it is necessary on the contrary, longer, the gesheft is fatter and more nimble. When else will such an opportunity present itself?
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 24 November 2022 05: 13
    0
    Biden recently allocated $400 million to supply new munitions to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    So this is not the end of the Ukronazis' shell hunger.
  5. Tagan
    Tagan 24 November 2022 05: 51
    0
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Biden recently allocated $400 million to supply new munitions to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    So this is not the end of the Ukronazis' shell hunger.

    This is a drop in the ocean, considering what these funds will be used for.
  6. VictorVictor
    VictorVictor 24 November 2022 07: 11
    -6
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Please tell me, are the words "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" suitable for this article, or not?

    Do you have anything to say in rebuttal? Come on, throw out the specifics, numbers, statistics, and pick up the snot.
    1. parma
      parma 24 November 2022 07: 43
      +10
      Quote: ViktorVictor
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Please tell me, are the words "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" suitable for this article, or not?

      Do you have anything to say in rebuttal? Come on, throw out the specifics, numbers, statistics, and pick up the snot.

      Well, from the banal - constant arrivals at warehouses and command posts, in particular, the headquarters of one of our divisions was destroyed in the summer ... Why did it happen with Kherson? The Himars and the M-270 were a nightmare of non-stop logistics... watch the video from the front line, military bloggers, for example... they say that UkroArt works very painfully and accurately, and although ours pours out tons, but radars, UAVs and other things for effective work (including including counter-battery) shortage ...
      As for the fact that the Himars shoot the package and withdraw from the position, these are precautionary measures and this only increases efficiency, since the installation can be reloaded in the nearest clearing in a minute (unlike our MLRS) without the risk of receiving a “gift” ...
  7. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 24 November 2022 07: 49
    +9
    Our armed forces will continue to destroy artillery and other types of enemy troops and fight against the supporting infrastructure. The end result of this could be the complete destruction of Ukrainian artillery, incl. to the detriment of the combat capability of third countries that have shared their weapons. The only question is the timing of such a defeat.
    Yeah, the only question is where the front line will be by that time, and the more we "destroy", the further we roll back. Author, where is the logic?
  8. Predometrix
    Predometrix 24 November 2022 08: 25
    +4
    So, from reports on the combat operation of HIMARS systems, it follows that they fire one packet of six missiles, after which they leave the position. This method of combat use dramatically reduces the consumption of ammunition, and also reduces the possible effectiveness.


    The very essence of Hymars is to release six missiles and change position. But our eternally cheerful author believes that this is nonsense. Probably Hymars should dig into the field, put on bags and shoot until a dozen BCs empty.

    the technical advantages of the M142 MLRS are used mainly for shelling cities and civilian targets - without any military sense. At the same time, even a limited number of ammunition causes sensitive damage and hits the morale of the population.


    It is the six-rocket high-precision MLRS, which Ukraine is well armed with if there are 20 pieces (taking into account the Haimars destroyed by Konashenkov, can’t the MO lie?), Ideal for shelling cities.

    AUTHOR: Ryabov Kirill


    Someday this line will be moved to the top, under the title. And if not heaven on earth, then happiness will come on one particular site

    PS
    MLRS M142 one of the first deliveries. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

    No, this is not a photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. They didn't take this picture.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 24 November 2022 09: 21
      -6
      . But our eternally cheerful author believes that this is nonsense.

      where does the author say that this is nonsense? It says "reduces ammunition consumption" - right. Written "reduces efficiency" - debatable. Where are the words about stupidity?
      It is the six-missile high-precision MLRS, which Ukraine has in service well if there are 20 pieces

      Well, OTR "Tochka-U" is also not a lot of square ones, but in the cities they both hit and continue to hit. What is the inconsistency? The author only used the word "mostly", which is certainly a lie. Chubs use Hymars for any task.
      1. Predometrix
        Predometrix 24 November 2022 09: 29
        +2
        where does the author say that this is nonsense? It says "reduces ammunition consumption" - right. Written "reduces efficiency" - debatable. Where are the words about stupidity?


        Have you ever heard of hyperbole? The author calls the shooting of the whole package - "decrease in efficiency." If the author writes "they shoot three missiles out of six and leave" - ​​I would agree, yes, this is not effective. But when Hymars, carrying one package with six missiles on board, fires all six missiles in one salvo, this is 100% effective. Otherwise, it turns out that the Iskanders are not effective either, because after launching the missiles leave, and do not recharge on the spot.

        What is the inconsistency?


        You yourself answered this question perfectly:
        The author only used the word "mostly", which is definitely a lie


        Out of the two questions, we agreed on two. "Controversial" about the effectiveness and "lie" about the "primary use of Hymars".
        1. prorab_ak
          prorab_ak 24 November 2022 18: 24
          +1
          where does the author say that this is nonsense? It says "reduces ammunition consumption" - right. Written "reduces efficiency" - debatable. Where are the words about stupidity?

          Have you ever heard of hyperbole?

          Of course, this Ryabov account will neither hear nor listen))
        2. Ka-52
          Ka-52 25 November 2022 06: 28
          +1
          Have you ever heard of hyperbole?

          you lie, and then you call it hyperbole. Well, judging by the likes, you are in the trend of this public. Keep it up laughing
  9. Predometrix
    Predometrix 24 November 2022 08: 39
    +7
    According to The Military Balance 2022, at the beginning of 2022, the Ukrainian armed forces had more than 1800 artillery systems of all classes and types. Also, a number of guns and MLRS were in storage, and these weapons were later reactivated and returned to service.
    =
    To date, Ukraine has lost 4500 artillery systems of all types, while foreign aid included only hundreds of guns and combat vehicles.
    =
    A significant part of the artillery systems has already been knocked out or become trophies


    Interesting. It was in service, well, let it be 2000 artillery systems of all kinds. In warehouses ... well, even if there are still the same number (and let's say they are all brand new, just wipe the dust), a total of 4000. Foreign aid - "hundreds". Well, let's say 300 pieces. In total, Ukraine, according to Ryabov, has 4300 artillery systems of all kinds, and this is with my huge pulling of an owl on a globe.

    Of the 4300, 4500 were destroyed and this is only a "significant part". Nobody cares about numbers? Maybe I'm wrong somewhere and someone will correct?
    1. Predometrix
      Predometrix 24 November 2022 09: 32
      +2
      I see already two minuses were put to me. Feel free to tell me in the comments where I made a mistake and why you disagree with me.
      1. prorab_ak
        prorab_ak 24 November 2022 18: 40
        +1
        I see already two minuses were put to me. Feel free to tell me in the comments where I made a mistake and why you disagree with me.

        Here the bots have their own war .... yes, and stubborn ones, who have 2 * 2 = 5, if only the agenda does not change, no less
    2. single-n
      single-n 24 November 2022 15: 40
      +1
      1. And where did you get the idea that the import deliveries are only 300 pieces? I think that the author of becoming greatly underestimates the volume of supplies.
      2. The most important thing. I would divide all these reports about the destroyed equipment and the dead by at least 3. There have been repeatedly published footage with the alleged destruction of equipment. And what damage she really received and whether she received it at all, and whether it was repaired in a couple of days, one can only guess.
      This is clearly seen in the analysis of the battles of the same WWII. When historians begin to compare reports from different sides, such discoveries are made there. The same American intelligence when it began to analyze the effectiveness of US aircraft in the first war with Iraq. The first step was to divide the results by 2.
      1. Predometrix
        Predometrix 24 November 2022 16: 53
        0
        The author, Kirill Ryabov, is writing an article. So he is responsible for all the data in it. I don’t know exactly how many artillery pieces were delivered, so I’m starting from Ryabov’s data. And I do this with very large assumptions in his favor, and all the same, the numbers of the Moscow Region, which Ryabov quotes, turn out to be extremely overestimated.
    3. SergeyB
      SergeyB 1 December 2022 09: 50
      0
      Quote from Predometrix
      Interesting. It was in service, well, let it be 2000 artillery systems of all kinds. In warehouses ... well, even if there are still the same number (and let's say they are all brand new, just wipe the dust), a total of 4000. Foreign aid - "hundreds". Well, let's say 300 pieces. In total, Ukraine, according to Ryabov, has 4300 artillery systems of all kinds, and this is with my huge pulling of an owl on a globe.

      Of the 4300, 4500 were destroyed and this is only a "significant part". Nobody cares about numbers? Maybe I'm wrong somewhere and someone will correct?

      I will correct.
      You yourself figured out several positions. And the numbers have been greatly reduced. Although they said that they pulled it in the direction of increase.
      At the beginning of the NWO, Ukraine had about 450 modern aircraft. Of these, about 150 were in service. The rest were partially defective or in storage.
      There were 5 times more tanks in storage than in service.
      Most likely with art. systems were the same. About 2 thousand in service, 4-6 thousand in storage.
      About deliveries from abroad, not so either. Several hundred guns, this is only foreign production. And there were much more deliveries of Soviet systems that were stored in various Poland / Bulgaria.
      And own production. If the barrels are for guns, this is a complex production. Then let's say mortars can be produced almost in the garage. And Ukraine has produced several hundred mortars in recent months.
      In general, the author is fine with the numbers.
      1. stankow
        stankow 2 December 2022 01: 38
        0
        Bulgaria did not supply guns. Ammunition produced, supplied in Poland. And Poland shipped its power supplies in Ukraine. Here is such a scheme.
  10. Svale
    Svale 24 November 2022 09: 08
    +2
    I would like to clarify on the last line of the article: "The only question is the timing of such a rout." I'd love to hear about those times. Almost a year has gone by with no end in sight.
  11. belost79
    belost79 24 November 2022 09: 19
    +7
    What is this nonsense? Why were only 4500 art systems destroyed out of 1800 at the beginning of the conflict? And in general, the article should end with Hurray! Hooray! Hooray! And a photo where the sovereign-emperor rides past the troops on a white horse and hats fly up.
  12. Beaver
    Beaver 24 November 2022 10: 07
    +3
    What successes does the author write about? Apart from the destruction of the livestock, there are no others.
  13. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 24 November 2022 10: 26
    +4
    "...According to various estimates, Russian artillery fires about 20-25 thousand shells and missiles daily. During periods of intensified hostilities, this figure is believed to have almost doubled. Other types of troops are also actively working, which increases the overall consumption ammunition. As a result, in terms of nominal firepower, the enemy loses many times to our troops..."(with)

    Here, either the readers are fools or the "books" are wrong - Why, then, this very enemy is on the offensive almost all the time ?!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 November 2022 10: 59
      +9
      Well, how can I tell you ...
      Simple nominal firepower on the ground it looks like this:

      And this is still a good result. Murz wrote about firing at the expense of hundreds of RS per installation ... and with a zero result - because the target could not be hit by these RS.
      Yesterday-today, "Grady" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine worked out in the village of Donetsk and at the Sifonnaya station, occupied by ours. On Sifonnaya, these arrivals of "Grads" had about the same effect as the endless volleys of our MLRS on the enemy's fortifications. There was a fire in one place, the fire was extinguished. Probably, the command from our side, having received a report that the exact coverage of the VP by "Grads" did not particularly affect the combat capability of our personnel, who were in shelters captured from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, should draw some conclusions that the MLRS with conventional warheads , probably not very effective against well-fortified strongholds prepared in advance with a developed system of full-profile trenches and deep shelters. This is not a camp in Zelenopolye in the summer of 2014, where people and equipment were densely packed without much protection in an open area. Here - COMPLETE FORTIFICATIONS. And there are already, excuse me, BM-21 installations that fired 500-600 missiles at a given area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbenemy fortifications (this is from one vehicle! Only from one vehicle !!!), but at the headquarters everyone is perplexed "Why don't they surrender? Where is victory?" Well, they don't give up, probably because they're sick of clowns capturing surrender. They sit in good deep dugouts and neigh as you gently scratch them with "Grads", which, in principle, are not suitable for combating long-term fortifications.
      1. Alexey Lantukh
        Alexey Lantukh 24 November 2022 22: 49
        0
        Judging by the publications, our artillery often fires from extreme distances. And this is a big spread, even if the aiming is correct. Often the correspondent removes the work of the MLRS and shows it on TV. And what we see: the whole package is fired at once and they run away, tk. afraid of retaliation. No sighting, no correction for aiming. So it turns out the field in the holes.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 November 2022 10: 16
          0
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          Often the correspondent removes the work of the MLRS and shows it on TV. And what we see: the whole package is fired at once and they run away, because. afraid of retaliation. No sighting, no correction for aiming.

          And this is just normal - for the army of a healthy person. Back in the 80s, it was believed that artillery (cannon and rocket) should take a position, quickly shoot back, curl up and leave. For everything about everything - no more than 5 minutes. Otherwise, the army of a healthy person from the other side will cover the fire. And shooting if the enemy has AIR and SUAO at least forty years old (and personnel for them) is a 146% guarantee of a retaliatory strike.
          Hence all these dances with tambourines around the rate of fire in the first minutes, increasing the accuracy and speed of generating data for firing and linking installations, corrected ammunition, etc.
          For some, with this approach to business, the MLRS generally degenerated into multiply charged launchers of corrected light tactical ballistic missiles. We went to the position, according to the calculated data, we deployed the package, shot it - and hit the road. And the exact adjustment to correct errors in the calculations (inaccurate binding, weather changes) will be done by the correction unit on the RS itself.
          1. Alexey Lantukh
            Alexey Lantukh 25 November 2022 13: 03
            -1
            Something especially MLRS missiles with a correction unit do not shine. Only now they began work in this direction with Tornado.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 25 November 2022 15: 19
              -1
              Quote: Alexey Lantukh
              Something especially MLRS missiles with a correction unit do not shine. Only now they began work in this direction with Tornado.

              We have yes. And on the other hand, such MLRS work with such RS in full growth - a couple of them are in the title photo for the article.
      2. stankow
        stankow 2 December 2022 01: 43
        0
        Alexey RA In the photo - a very good result !! That's how art works, learn. The center of the scattering zllips is exactly at the center of the flat target. Platoon strong point. After such a shelling, their own infantry can occupy it with smoking cigarettes and slowly.
  14. seacap
    seacap 24 November 2022 10: 57
    +2
    Something does not look like the Ukronazis shell Donetsk and other villages and cities from catapults and slingshots, killing women and children, every day. By the way, there is a failure to fulfill the order of the Commander-in-Chief in wartime to exclude the shelling of large settlements by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, given to them back in the summer. Where is the military tribunal, the name and title of the defendant, I think, investigations are already in full swing following the results of the so-called. "reforms" of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and bringing them into the state of parade-competitive amusing troops, I understand that this is a secret of the investigation, but the names of some of these "statesmen (faces)" are not a secret for the people?
  15. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 24 November 2022 11: 22
    +4
    It is necessary to report that in 1-2 years the United States and its allies will deploy military production, so that the war must end with a victory in 2023. If this does not happen, then the war will go into a protracted positional stage several years long and the decisive factor will be losses in manpower.
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow 24 November 2022 13: 48
      +2
      It should already be clear to young children that the United States is supplying limited quantities of weapons to Ukraine, not out of a lack of opportunities, but in order to prolong the conflict as long as possible. These weapons should be enough for Ukraine not to lose and not enough for Ukraine to win.
      The goal of the US is to be the dominant state in the world. And the methods: weakening Russia and keeping Europe under its control. If Russia ceases to be a threat to the EU countries, then the Americans will have to remove their military bases from Europe. there will be no reason for their existence. However, while in Bali, Biden and Xi Jinping agreed on a competition for dominance in the world.
      1. Dartanian
        Dartanian 24 November 2022 14: 43
        -2
        Will geese, ducks, and various carriers of infections be delivered to NATO in Ukraine, for a subsequent sabotage flight? There is information?
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  16. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 November 2022 12: 25
    -5
    Ukraine will lose the war because of logistics. To drag shells to NATO calibers across the floor of Europe, and they need to be dragged through borders, heaps of overloads, this is crazy, which will lead to a tear in the navel.
    1. Negro
      Negro 24 November 2022 14: 26
      +4
      And where did you get the idea that logistics is easier from conditional Omsk?
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 25 November 2022 09: 26
        0
        Quote: smart fellow
        It should be clear to young children already that the United States is supplying limited quantities of weapons to Ukraine, not out of a lack of opportunities, but in order to prolong the conflict as long as possible. These weapons should be enough for Ukraine not to lose and not enough for Ukraine to win.


        What to take from small children ...
        The United States is supplying as many weapons as they can and what they can, without violating those same "red lines". Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have "abrams".
        If the United States could do it, without risking itself, for Ukraine to win, they would do it. The defeat and complete subjugation of the Russian Federation would bring them a lot of goodies.
        The justification for the maintenance of military bases in Europe by the United States is not necessary, just as the master does not need to justify his actions in front of the serfs. The master is free to do what he wants, the servants are not his decree.
        1. Negro
          Negro 25 November 2022 09: 55
          0
          You didn't reply to the right comment.
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  19. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 24 November 2022 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: smart fellow
    It should be clear to young children already that the United States is supplying limited quantities of weapons to Ukraine, not out of a lack of opportunities, but in order to prolong the conflict as long as possible.

    Young children understand that the United States wants the defeat of Russia as soon as possible. And weapons for the ground forces are supplied in limited quantities due to the lack of opportunities now and immediately its riveting. In two years it will be a completely different matter.
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  21. Illanatol
    Illanatol 25 November 2022 09: 20
    -1
    Quote: Mitroha
    In terms of grinding ukroreich, this, of course, helps. But in terms of fulfilling the tasks of the NWO, without increasing, perhaps a multiple, the number of fighters on the LBS, it will not work


    Grinding ukroreykha is the main task of the NWO. Demilitarization and denazification through the physical destruction of stubborn Nazi militarists.
    Well, you will have to be patient, nevertheless, the Independent is not Dudayev's Ichkeria, but with Ichkeria it did not work out quickly.
  22. Illanatol
    Illanatol 25 November 2022 09: 30
    0
    Quote: Rusfaner
    Why, then, this same enemy is on the offensive almost all the time?!


    Because the commanders, who do not feel sorry for "meat", ordered so. And for their "offensives" Banderlogs pay a considerable price with the loss of l / s, so that more and more foreign mercenaries have to be used.
  23. Chack wessel
    Chack wessel 27 November 2022 07: 43
    0
    What shoot a lot is it good? But how accurate? :)
  24. AG-76
    AG-76 29 November 2022 12: 31
    0
    How wonderful everything is..
    And if everything is so “bad” with their artillery and ammunition, then why did they have to leave Kherson and go beyond the Dnieper? Because bridges, crossings and the Kakhovskaya dam were constantly under fire, as a result of which it was not possible to properly supply the group on the right bank of the Dnieper and in Kherson?
    1. Baer
      Baer 30 November 2022 22: 09
      0
      I don’t know how, where and what happened, but today around noon I was walking from the market in the East (Lugansk) so it thundered very evenly and often. And clearly larger than 152 cal. And it seems that in the TG they wrote that today our "partners" will not be bored.