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Slovenia hands over M-55S tanks to Ukraine: what they are

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Source: topwar.ru

In general, of course, this whole situation with the transfer of Slovenian tanks The M-55S, which are upgraded T-55s, looks pretty interesting. Slovenia can hardly be blamed for excessive militarism and oversaturation of troops with armored vehicles. And there are no modern models of heavy combat vehicles. However, the fact remains: 28 units were taken out of the bins and given in exchange for 35 German trucks and 5 tankers. However, this is a topic for a separate discussion, so let's just see what these tanks are like.


In order not to create confusion, we will call the M-55 the familiar T-55, since both letters mean the same thing.

When old stuff comes in handy


As you know, Slovenia received its T-55s as a result of the events of the Ten-Day War of 1991, when the central Yugoslav government decided to send an army to pacify separatist sentiments in the republic that declared its independence. For a number of reasons, the troops did not achieve any sane results, but the Slovenes grabbed almost two battalions of equipment.

Slovenian territorial defense near the captured T-55. Source: topwar.ru
Slovenian territorial defense near the captured T-55

In fact, as a result, Slovenia, in addition to the T-72, got about sixty T-55 units, which, given the lack of money of the newly formed country and the absence of its own tank building, no one was going to throw in the trash. But to call these tanks, which began to become morally obsolete back in the 60s, did not turn out to be modern.

The T-55 actually had (and still has) a lot of problems, but it was necessary to pay attention to at least a few of them. Moreover, the Slovenes planned to use the machines in the long term - you won’t be able to keep old stuff in service.

A column of Yugoslav vehicles in Slovenia. Source: topwar.ru
A column of Yugoslav vehicles in Slovenia

First of all, the armor of the tank should be noted, which consists exclusively of a steel mass up to 100 mm thick along the forehead of the hull and up to 200 mm in the frontal part of the turret. This did not give any confident protection even from RPG-7 anti-tank grenades of not the first freshness, not to mention guided missiles and sub-caliber shells.

The T-55 sighting system was of no less concern: no means of automating the preparation of a shot in the form of a ballistic computer and a laser rangefinder, and sights - only optics for firing during the day and infrared "night lights" for shooting and detecting targets at night.

There were questions about the gun. Still, a rifled 100-mm gun against the background of larger-caliber counterparts did not look very advantageous both in terms of the power of high-explosive fragmentation ammunition, and in terms of penetration of sub-caliber and cumulative shells. In the USSR, by the way, they tried to solve the problem of the penetrating ability of the "weave" by introducing new shells, including those made from uranium alloys, but where did Slovenia get them from?

Also, something had to be done about the operating costs and insufficient mobility of the tank.

If you have to do it, then you have to do it. This is what they did.

Israeli-Slovenian modernization


Tank M-55S. Source: alterrnathistory.com
Tank M-55S. Source: alterrnathistory.com

It would hardly have been possible for the Slovenes to modernize tanks exclusively on their own, since there was neither a full-fledged production base nor technologies for this. Therefore, they decided to entrust the case to the Israeli company Elbit Systems, which, as they say, ate the dog in service.

The changes were to affect the complex protection, main armament and sighting system of the tank. In addition, the driver's workplace, chassis and engine have undergone refinement.

For the Slovenes, the Israelis developed a project for the modernization of the T-55, supplying them with the appropriate materials, elements and systems. At the same time, no one planned to export tanks to Israel - they did everything at the local Slovenian STO metallurgical and machine-building plant in Ravno. This not only made it possible to gain useful production experience, but also to give people jobs and provide the enterprise with its subcontractors with financial support.

30 T-55 tanks out of 55 available were upgraded. All work lasted about five years - from 1996 to 2001. Modified machines received the M-55S index, or, translated into Russian, something like the T-55M.

What will the "NATO" caliber give?


After the modernization, the T-55 has changed quite a lot, and this primarily concerns the gun. Instead of the native D-10T, the machine acquired an Israeli-made "NATO" 105-mm L7A1 cannon. All NATO ammunition of the appropriate caliber is capable of digesting this weapon, but the modernization contract provided for the use of exclusively Israeli shells. They were delivered to the Slovenes in commercial quantities.

There is practically no exact data on the range of ammunition transferred to the Slovenes. Nevertheless, based on what Israel generally had at that time, we can talk about the following shells.

As the main anti-tank weapon in the M-55S ammunition, there may be three feathered tungsten alloy sub-caliber projectiles: Hetz-6, Hetz-7 or, less likely, Hetz-10, since it appeared in the 90s years, and whether it was put up for sale is not entirely clear. Armor penetration on steel armor at an angle of 60 degrees from 2 kilometers for these shells is as follows: "Hetz-6" - 300-310 mm, "Hetz-7" - about 380 mm, "Hetz-10" - 450-470 mm.

Active parts of sub-caliber projectiles: "Hetz-6" on the left and "Hetz-7" on the right. Source: tanknet.org
Active parts of sub-caliber projectiles: "Hetz-6" on the left and "Hetz-7" on the right. Source: tanknet.org

Even if we imagine the situation of a direct collision of the M-55S with our tanks, then the frontal armor of the T-72B / B3 and T-90A is quite capable of withstanding the impact of any of these projectiles. The T-80BVM, largely due to dynamic protection, will also not be a loser. Problems can only arise with obvious old men, such as T-72A, T-80B or T-62M.

Another armor-piercing projectile in the Slovenian tank range is the M152/3 cumulative fragmentation projectile (or M152/6 equipped with a remote fuse). Both projectiles have the same penetration - 350 mm of steel armor at a right angle, and are only suitable for destroying lightly armored vehicles and manpower. M152 / 3 as a whole, in terms of impact on openly located enemy infantry, is no better than ordinary 100-mm high-explosive fragmentation shells for the regular T-55 gun. But equipped with a remote fuse, they can cause a lot of damage due to an explosion in the air, when most of the fragments do not go into the sky and earth, but fall on the heads of the infantry. Unfortunately, we don't have enough of that yet.

A page from the brochure for the M152/3 cumulative fragmentation projectile. Source: yumpu.com
A page from the brochure for the M152/3 cumulative fragmentation projectile. Source: yumpu.com

From land mines, the Israelis could add M156 armor-piercing high-explosive hashes with 2,2 kg of explosives to the tank. Against modern tanks, they are only suitable for firing at the least protected projections, since the combined frontal armor dampens the impact energy to the maximum. So light vehicles and not very powerful fortifications are his profile. But, again, its value in comparison with the standard 100-mm OFS T-55 is not so great.

Elbit Systems also offers M110 multifunctional projectiles with a programmable fuse. These munitions have three modes of operation: air blast above the target, instantaneous detonation upon impact with the target, and high-explosive mode, thanks to which the projectile can penetrate up to two reinforced concrete walls with a thickness of more than 200 mm and detonate behind them, hitting sheltered manpower. Whether it is in the M-55S ammunition load is not clear. Probably not.

Fire control complex


As you know, it is not enough to have a good gun and powerful shells. It is also necessary to confidently hit the target with them, which requires a modern fire control complex. Earlier, we already said that in the original version, the T-55 had trouble with this: only optics and infrared devices were used from sights, and there was no talk of such automation as a ballistic computer.

The components of the fire control system were manufactured by Fotona in the Slovenian capital, Ljubljana. It consists of sighting and observation systems for the commander and gunner, as well as related systems: a digital ballistic computer, a projectile ballistics selection device, a set of firing conditions sensors, and others.

The new SGS-55 gunner's sight is radically different from the previous Soviet design. It integrates a laser rangefinder and a night channel, which, depending on the choice of options, can be provided by a thermal imaging camera or an image intensifier tube. At the same time, the preparation of the shot is automated as much as possible: when measuring the range and speed of the target using a laser rangefinder, the ballistic computer automatically introduces the appropriate corrections for firing, also taking into account weather conditions and the position of your own tank.

The tank commander has at his disposal the sighting and observation system COMTOS-55. Of course, there is no panoramic multi-channel sight with circular rotation. Therefore, all-round visibility is provided by a device of the TKN type in the rotating part of the hatch cover. Through it, the tank commander can observe the terrain, identify targets, determine the approximate range to them and issue target designations to the gunner. A backup system is also available, which gives the commander an image from the gunner's sight, thanks to which this crew member can fully fire from the cannon and the machine gun coaxial with it.

Security and more


The armor protection of the T-55, even in the 60-70s, already left much to be desired, and what can we say about the 2000s? Almost 40 years ago, in the USSR, they tried to solve this problem in two ways: by installing armor modules on the forehead of the hull and turret, consisting of steel sheets and a polyurethane layer, or by equipping tanks with dynamic protection - T-55M and T-55MV, respectively.

The Slovenes, together with the Israelis, went just the second way and installed dynamic protection on the M-55S, which is often referred to as the "Super Blazer". Structurally, it consists of throwable metal plates and explosives, working in general similar to our "Contacts".

Source: alternathistory.com
Source: alternathistory.com

The Slovenes themselves claim that the installation of dynamic protection makes it possible to protect the tank from penetration by all RPG-7 monoblock grenades and monoblock anti-tank guided missiles. And here it is hard to disagree, since the previous version of the Blazer, installed by Israel on the M48 and M60 tanks, gave resistance to cumulative weapons in the region of 400 mm. In our case, the equivalents against cumulative jets may be greater. However, against tandem munitions, of which there are many in Russia's arsenal, ranging from grenade launchers to man-portable/portable ATGMs and tank guided missiles, the Super Blazer's value is questionable. However, the passive armor of the tank in combination with reactive Israeli armor will not be able to oppose anything even against sub-caliber shells - our Mangos and Leads will, on occasion, make holes quite calmly.

In addition, the M-55S is equipped with anti-cumulative screens on the sides of the hull. There is little use for them, but they can be useful in the course angles of maneuvering a tank.

A very useful protective innovation was the laser detection system. The sensors of this contraption are able to recognize the laser beam of some kind of rangefinder or target designator for missiles aimed at the tank, after which the crew is immediately notified of the threat. Paired with this system are smoke grenade launchers, which install a dense aerosol screen that hides the tank from view.

As for the rest of the improvements, here we can note the installation of a new night vision device for the driver, which literally switches from day to night mode and back with just one click; a new and more efficient fire extinguishing system with optical sensors; a diesel engine boosted from 520 to 600 horsepower, a modified anti-aircraft machine gun mount with a 12,7 mm machine gun and an improved undercarriage with caterpillars with a rubber-metal hinge and asphalt shoes.

The further fate of the tank and Ukraine


Upgrading the tanks to the M-55S level raised a lot of financial questions, largely due to the fact that the entire program cost a record 52-odd million euros - a considerable amount for a small and not very rich state. Nevertheless, all 30 vehicles were put into service with the 44th battalion of the Slovenian army, but their century was short-lived. After the next transfer of the tank fleet to the 74th mechanized battalion, after 2006, the tanks were transferred to storage as a result of its reorganization.

A few years ago, the Slovenian defense department tried to put the M-55S up for sale. The demand was, apparently, so "great" that the press took seriously questions about whether private individuals could buy tanks. In the end, they nevertheless agreed that they could, but with the appropriate license from museums and other institutions. Well, in fact, only one tank was bought for 820 thousand euros.

Commercial success was "very not very". Although even now, when these machines are transferred to Ukraine, the benefits are not very clear. Yes, the Slovenes tried to push through their M-84 (T-72) in exchange for German infantry fighting vehicles - at least some benefit is obvious here. But almost 30 tanks for 35 conditional trucks and 5 tankers? Forced?

Presumably M-55S on railway platforms. Source: bmpd_cast telegram channel
Presumably M-55S on railway platforms. Source: bmpd_cast telegram channel

What about their use by Ukraine. There have already been many fantastic and unrealistic assumptions that old tanks can be used almost as a replacement for infantry fighting vehicles and so on. A tank is a tank, and will be used as a tank.

However, the M-55S, albeit with the maximum increased combat effectiveness, will not become a new machine. It is not worth comparing it with our T-72B3 or T-90A - it will lose to them both in terms of firepower and, importantly, in terms of armor. But there were no tank battles with large tank raids in the special operation zone either. The priority, as there were fortified and unfortified positions with manpower, remains. Here, as they say, practice will show the ammunition used and how careful the Ukrainian military will be in using these vehicles so as not to get "responses" that can become fatal due to the extremely low security of Slovenian tanks. In any case, they will obviously not be subject to excessive demands, and we should not be.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 8 November 2022 05: 47
    +27
    I don’t want to be a tanker, the entire world military-industrial complex is trying to kill you. better in the infantry with a "cornet". Where do we have an "Afghanite" on tanks? boys replace logs. what's happening ? SMERSH is needed.
    1. Civil
      Civil 8 November 2022 07: 44
      +12
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      I don’t want to be a tanker, the entire world military-industrial complex is trying to kill you. better in the infantry with a "cornet". Where do we have an "Afghanite" on tanks? boys replace logs. what's happening ? SMERSH is needed.

      I will support, the tank is gradually turning into a consumable like a one-time "Fly", it hunts so many things for the poor fellow.
      1. Hanurik
        Hanurik 8 November 2022 12: 08
        +7
        If he is kept at the forefront without reconnaissance, artillery and aviation cover, then why be surprised? The tank does not turn into anything, nothing has changed since the Second World War. They just forgot how to use our tanks.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 8 November 2022 08: 31
      -21
      What Afghan, are you delusional? It is made under Armata. KAZ is a meaningless garbage for money laundering. Logs, or rather sandbags, quite hold the shell for themselves, though once.
  2. Silver99
    Silver99 8 November 2022 05: 51
    +28
    The article is detailed, it is clear that the author is in the subject. For all its comicality and technical backwardness, the T-55 still remains a tank, if not a breakthrough tank, but definitely a defense tank. Not the first one who constantly asks the same question, well, they handed them over to Ukraine, but why are the goods delivered to the NWO zone ???? Why such freedom of movement, one-time attacks on substations are not retaliation strikes, something has not been heard at all about them lately. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a large-scale offensive, what are we waiting for?
    1. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 8 November 2022 06: 34
      +14
      Everyone has been asking this question for months now. Ukrainians are preparing an offensive. Concentrate personnel and equipment. They know where, they know how much and how. But for some reason they do not crumble them in places of concentration. Massed raids of strategists by fabs and odabs are not used. Although after such raids the Ukrainians would have no one to attack for three or four months. And nothing
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 8 November 2022 10: 58
        +6
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Everyone has been asking this question for months now. Ukrainians are preparing an offensive. Concentrate personnel and equipment. They know where, they know how much and how. But for some reason they do not crumble them in places of concentration. Massed raids of strategists by fabs and odabs are not used. Although after such raids the Ukrainians would have no one to attack for three or four months. And nothing

        Yeah ... the question has long become rhetorical and the answer to it has never been and is not.
        This means that someone in Russia needs it and it is beneficial for Ukrainian logistics and transport infrastructure to work smoothly.
        1. Dimcor
          Dimcor 8 November 2022 12: 10
          -8
          Do you have any answers? You don't have answers either. It's simple - logistics and transport infrastructure will always work, there are a lot of ways to deliver goods.
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 8 November 2022 13: 17
            +8
            Are we with you on you? Since when? Especially since I'm probably older than you.
            And yes, I have the answers, my second military specialty is military communications.
            There are many ways to make transportation as difficult as possible.
            It is not possible to completely interrupt, but it is quite difficult to make it as difficult as possible.
            Especially in the steppe Ukraine.
            Citizens... be mutually polite.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 8 November 2022 16: 29
              +5
              There was information that tankers also go along the grain corridors to Ukraine. So, they solve the problem with fuel. What our Black Sea Fleet is doing at this time is not clear. (https://t.me/Mikle1On/7571)
              1. Ulan.1812
                Ulan.1812 8 November 2022 17: 03
                +4
                Quote: Bad_gr
                There was information that tankers also go along the grain corridors to Ukraine. So, they solve the problem with fuel. What our Black Sea Fleet is doing at this time is not clear. (https://t.me/Mikle1On/7571)

                What is it about. And the fleet is hiding in the base. The death of the cruiser "Moskva" apparently scared.
                Or there was a team from the Kremlin, sit and rock the boat, otherwise you will lose something again.
                Ships are expensive toys, they are needed for parades.
                1. volodimer
                  volodimer 14 November 2022 14: 59
                  +2
                  For the Black Sea Fleet, this has become a characteristic feature. Just like during the Great Patriotic War, after the death of the leader and two destroyers, until the end of the war, all large ships were in ports.
            2. Kriso Sborshik
              Kriso Sborshik 17 November 2022 16: 38
              -2
              everyone is equal on the Internet, calm down, son.
              1. Ulan.1812
                Ulan.1812 17 November 2022 18: 07
                0
                Even on the Internet, no one canceled politeness. Or do you think that anonymity ace allows?
                So daughter?
        2. EFIM LYUBIN
          EFIM LYUBIN 8 November 2022 17: 48
          +6
          How is it beneficial to whom? Don't you understand yet? Corrupt bureaucracy and the thieves and traitors who lure them are Russian olgarhi !!!
      2. Dimcor
        Dimcor 8 November 2022 12: 02
        -3
        Yes, yes, for months every day we hear that the Ukrainians are preparing, that's it, but everything is fine. Have you seen these places of concentration? There are several trucks and armored vehicles, it seems to me that the FAB costs more than all of them put together. Where ours go on the attack or the Ukrainians try to attack, aviation works there, and it hunts for gangs like terrorists (you can’t call it an army anymore) it’s such a thing, aviation is where it is needed. There are no real concentrations, there is a very long blurred front line - a little bit there, a little bit there, and not a little in total. Only during attacks from several points troops flock and small concentrations are created.
        1. parma
          parma 8 November 2022 12: 55
          +2
          Quote from DimCorvus
          Yes, yes, for months every day we hear that the Ukrainians are preparing, that's it, but everything is fine. Have you seen these places of concentration? There are several trucks and armored vehicles, it seems to me that the FAB costs more than all of them put together. Where ours go on the attack or the Ukrainians try to attack, aviation works there, and it hunts for gangs like terrorists (you can’t call it an army anymore) it’s such a thing, aviation is where it is needed. There are no real concentrations, there is a very long blurred front line - a little bit there, a little bit there, and not a little in total. Only during attacks from several points troops flock and small concentrations are created.

          And where were our planes during the two major tactical victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in recent months? ... Where are the reserves that go and there is no panic (at the same time, even the T-90M was left completely serviceable) ...
          Regarding “gangs, not the army”, as you put it, the general’s art lies in defeating a stronger enemy with competent actions of small forces ... in a modern army, small mobile groups with good communications and equipment can do very big troubles (we are lucky that the APU has problems with this) ...
          Regarding the article and the tank itself, it is not clear why the author completely lowers the chances against the T72b3 / t90a ... there are not as many of them in the database zone (judging by the photo) as we would like, and even under certain conditions they are vulnerable to modern western 105-mm shells ( Let me remind you that the first Abrams carried it), and the presence of radiation sensors creates problems, since the laser is actually the only way to aim our anti-tank systems ... yes, few cars will be delivered, but they are not ultra-modern, but these are still tanks and our T-62, T- 64 (and they also exist) and the old T-72/80 (which, judging by the photo, the majority) can cause trouble ... well, the presence of 105-mm shells in the nomenclature of the Armed Forces of Ukraine now opens up prospects for other vehicles with such a weapon - leopard 1, M60, etc. …
          1. Askold65
            Askold65 8 November 2022 13: 17
            +3
            Quote: parma
            maybe the laser is actually the only way to aim our anti-tank systems ...

            Russian ATGMs are guided by wire ("competition", "bassoon", "mestizo"), by radio channel ("storm", "attack"). A "cornet", "vortex", "chrysanthemum" (combined s / n LK / RK) are guided by the laser. and these lasers do not irradiate the tank, but point the missile at the sensors in the tail section.
          2. Dimcor
            Dimcor 8 November 2022 17: 07
            +4
            Wherever there were planes, over there near Krasny Liman they threw fabs so well, a significant part of the Ukrainians that attacked there now lies in cemeteries, at Kherson at one time Ukrainians were also well buried like that. Yes, as for me, a colossal part of Russian aviation is still on the ground, it’s obviously cheaper to use drones for the same purposes, so they use them, the total superiority of Russian aviation is something like an expensive trump card, it is used at critical moments, maybe if they suddenly switch from strategy grinding to a strategy of offensive or destruction of Ukraine will then be applied much more actively, but I have no idea, it's all just guesswork.
            The fact that they threw the T-90 is just bungling and "maybe it will do." It's a pity that this happens, but it happens on both sides. I have never heard about the T-64 at all, videos with new T90 breakthroughs constantly pop up here and there, but T-64 never, they are difficult to operate, it makes no sense to use them, maybe some trophy ones were used - Ukraine has a lot of equipment they squeezed it out, the T-62s were used by the DNR / LNR, it seems even by some volunteer detachments, but they are gradually being abandoned.
            Gangs are not an army, an army can also be made up of small units. It’s just that if you compare the forces with the army and the terrorists from the Syrian desert, then they now have much more in common with the latter - a large number of various equipment, a large number of lightly armored vehicles.
      3. xGhost
        xGhost 10 November 2022 16: 05
        +2
        Are you ready to lose 50-60% of strategists who will bomb with fabs during each raid?
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 8 November 2022 06: 17
    +15
    Whether these tanks are bad or good is not the point. The fact is that Ukraine is being pumped with weapons.
  4. Sergeant_Soviet_Army
    Sergeant_Soviet_Army 8 November 2022 13: 01
    -5
    It seems that the tank, as a separate branch of the military, will soon become obsolete. Or rather, they will live it out. Thus, one infantry will soon go into battle, and it, in turn, will also be crushed. A hopeless situation.
    1. Ryusei
      Ryusei 8 November 2022 14: 10
      +5
      it doesn't look like a tank is a tank with all the consequences.
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 November 2022 14: 21
    +3
    After the T-55, it remains to take Romanian tanks and Leopard 1.
    1. Sergei Kazarin
      Sergei Kazarin 8 November 2022 22: 12
      0
      What's the sarcasm? These T-55s have a killer gun than the T-72B3
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 8 November 2022 15: 13
    +2
    I noticed that they use unitary charges. So there is no automatic loader. It depends a lot on the loader
  7. olgherd
    olgherd 8 November 2022 15: 25
    +3
    I was already used to reading another author, and I was just waiting for the conclusion at the end that these deliveries would not change anything.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 November 2022 19: 31
    -1
    We need to look carefully and it seems to modernize the T62, which we have in reserve .... and make a modern BOPS for it .. there is no restriction in the form of AZ, only the strength of the Kamora guns. "Arrow" is possible for the entire length of the sleeve
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 9 November 2022 23: 48
      +1
      ZUBM 13 with ZBM 28 for T 62 has armor penetration under 500 mm
      Plus Sheksna up to 800.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 November 2022 00: 18
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Kazarin
    What's the sarcasm? These T-55s have a killer gun than the T-72B3

    It is necessary to look at the pressure parameters, etc. but if it were more lethal, then a 120mm caliber would not appear. Moreover, 105mm rifled with all the restrictions.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 10 November 2022 09: 36
      +1
      105mm is more powerful than 100mm for T55 and weaker than 115mm.
      Another thing is that the development of BOPS for 105mm L7 does not stop ... as well as the installation of modern FCS on modernized carriers of such guns. And this is the M60, Leo-1 and all that. A similar control system and optics in our case appears in the upgraded T64 / 72/80/90
  10. Pushkowed
    Pushkowed 9 November 2022 04: 52
    +1
    This modernization is still all right. It is really hardly possible to squeeze more out of the T-55.

    But Romania is a more serious military force. But even they still haven’t adopted anything newer than the T-55. Their "modernizations" are inferior even to this Slovenian version. And this is how they are going to return Bukovina / Chernivtsi?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 10 November 2022 09: 41
      +2
      The Romanians had a license for the T55 ..... so they use it.
  11. Roman Bubnov
    Roman Bubnov 9 November 2022 07: 17
    +5
    A tank is a tank! The main, independent strike force of any army. You just need to use this power correctly. And with skillful planning of operations, obsolete tanks can be useful. No one has yet canceled pillboxes in fortified areas. Yes, and in the event of a breakthrough of the front, it is quite possible to use them in the second line, when anti-tank weapons have already been mainly used along the first attacking line.
    Well, if you imagine the situation - a fighter in a trench turned out to be one on one with a tank and he has neither an RPG nor an anti-tank system, but only a Kalash and a couple of lemons, what remains for him to do? Repeat the feat of Ivan Sereda? That is, if you have an ax at hand ...
    Perhaps the most correct thing would be to try to hide from the tank, because. the outcome of such a duel is clear.
    Therefore, it does not matter which tanks are transferred by Western sponsors of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. First of all, these are tanks, and they are not commanded by Ukrainian warriors at all, so any such sponsorship should be taken as seriously as possible, and if possible, it should be neutralized as quickly as possible, best of all during transportation ...
  12. erased
    erased 9 November 2022 10: 22
    +2
    In a war of this type, any armor is for the future, even with low rates. Having a tank in some area or not having it is a big difference. When used correctly, even oldies like the T-55 and T-62 will strengthen the defense or offensive.
    And if you throw equipment like the "invincible" army of the Russian Federation, then the T-90M will not save here either.
    I wonder if it will come to the T-34-85 in some of the latest super body kit?
  13. BigMaxMack
    BigMaxMack 10 November 2022 00: 43
    +7
    First, they say that the t62 m is not a "weak tank," but a "strong infantry fighting vehicle." And how did it affect the Ukrainian. t55, so here it turns out "a tank is a tank and will be used as a tank." I either don't understand the logic or it only works one way...
  14. veteran tanker
    veteran tanker 11 November 2022 21: 27
    +5
    There are no bad tanks. One must be able to use the features of these tanks and correctly build tactics for their use.
    More modern tanks T-72 and T-90 are good in all respects for the offensive and for operations in mobile defense. It is problematic to use them in positional defense and to cover checkpoints, since firing from a cannon is possible only when the engine is running, otherwise the automatic loader will not work.
    In 1982, during the Lebanon War, I was a military adviser to a Syrian brigade. After a truce was declared in June 1982, the Syrian troops and the Israel Defense Forces switched to organizing positional defense.
    There were T-72 tanks in my brigade, which showed themselves very well when participating in active hostilities. These tanks were installed in the trenches on the front line, 1000-1500 meters from the enemy, and each was cut into a sector of fire.
    However, two weeks later, something bad happened. For some reason, a sporadic firefight from all types of weapons began and two T-72 tanks were unable to fire, as they could not start the engines. The batteries were dead, and the air in the cylinders was at zero.
    Of course, all this could be attributed to the poor training of tank crews. But a radical decision was made to replace the T-72 tanks at the front line with T-55 tanks, from which it was possible to shoot in any condition of the batteries. This decision was later justified several times.
  15. Sergio63
    Sergio63 12 November 2022 07: 28
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    We look forward to seeing you in the fields of the Outskirts, but it’s better right away ... somewhere in the Zapadenschina, at a border station, so that it would be more fun for those accompanying the cargo !!!
  16. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 12 November 2022 21: 05
    +2
    It's bad - the more "iron" they supply to the Nazis, the more blood. Of course, this is what the West needs: "war to the last Ukrainian." But why this technique quietly travels along the railway is a question for our "strategist", which leaves the infrastructure of Ukroreykh in an unknown integrity.
  17. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 14 November 2022 00: 56
    +1
    Before deliveries to Ukraine, Khaimarsov wrote that this was the same garbage as the Rszo at the May 9 parade. It turned out not. Not bullshit, and not the same. Although it looks a bit similar.
  18. Evgeny_Sviridenko
    Evgeny_Sviridenko 17 November 2022 00: 07
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    It’s interesting, who thinks about how the lack of unification affects the effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Here on the site there are probably specialists who can evaluate this factor. Judging by the flow of information (video, articles), then there is such a hodgepodge, ranging from light rifles (although there are many mercenaries, of course) and ending with heavy weapons. As an amateur, I immediately see problems with the repair base at least.