Automated future: anti-drone modification of the Anti-Maidan / Rubezh shooting complex

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Automated future: anti-drone modification of the Anti-Maidan / Rubezh shooting complex

Small and light unmanned aerial vehicles used by the enemy pose a known threat. To combat it, various technologies and systems are being proposed and developed. For example, the Russian company Lobaev Arms proposes to identify and destroy enemy Drones with the help of a robotic shooting complex. Such a project has already started, and the existing developments will become its basis.

In the process of development


For several years, Lobaev Arms has been developing automated / robotic shooting systems in mobile and stationary versions under the names Antimaidan and Rubezh. To date, significant progress has been made. So, at the end of last year, an updated version of the complex was tested, which showed an increase in pointing accuracy and other characteristics, and work continues.



In August this year, during the Army-2022 forum, the founder and head of the company, Vladislav Lobaev, spoke about the latest achievements of new projects. According to him, work on the second version of the Rubezh complex has been completed. It is intended to deal with enemy snipers and can be used to protect perimeters. In addition, this system is potentially suitable for combating small UAVs.

October 14 RIA News published a new interview with V. Lobaev, in which he revealed new successes and plans for his company. So, work on the anti-sniper "Frontier" is being completed; a prototype of such a complex was made for testing and demonstration to the customer. In addition, it was decided to use the previously mentioned potential of the system in the context of air defense.

According to V. Lobaev, now Lobaev Arms, together with an unnamed Russian concern, is conducting research work on the topic of an anti-drone version of the existing complex. If R&D shows the potential of such an idea, development work will be launched. How soon it will be able to start and how long it will take, has not yet been reported.


Pickup drive tests

It is noted that the adaptation of the Anti-Maidan / Rubezh complex to solve new problems is fully justified economically. Thus, a target drone has a limited cost, and the price of an anti-aircraft missile to intercept it is several times higher. The use of a rifle complex will make it possible to drastically reduce the cost of hitting air targets.

"Frontier" or "Anti-Maidan"


The Frontier or Anti-Maidan projects provide for the creation of an automated rifle complex to combat various ground targets. Such devices should be placed permanently on protected objects or positions, although modifications for installation on mobile platforms have been previously proposed.

The main element of both complexes is the combat module - a remotely controlled device with a firearm system, optical means and a control system. Its dimensions and weight allow mounting on a tripod or other base. Aiming in two planes is provided by electric drives with high speed and accuracy. So, last year, during tests, the Rubezh module showed a horizontal guidance speed of 180 deg / s. Pointing accuracy is 0,1 MOA, resulting in a fire accuracy of 0,2 MOA. The operation of the mechanisms is almost silent.

"Frontier" is equipped with a firearm in the form of a rifle chambered for an intermediate cartridge of 7,62x39 mm or 5,56x45 mm. Stores for 60 or 100 rounds are used. Rifle control is fully automated. FROM weapons interlocked optoelectronic unit that provides target search and aiming.

Exactly how the Frontier / Anti-Maidan will look like in the anti-aircraft version has not yet been reported. Obviously, the remote-controlled combat module will be supplemented with a set of certain units. Their composition is unknown and probably not yet determined. In the course of research and development work, the authors of the project will have to choose the optimal weapon, as well as suitable optical and other systems.


Optical device from the complex

Promising Ideas


Thus, Lobaev Arms is going to refine the existing products and complexes, after which they will be able to solve a fundamentally new task. How soon it will be possible to complete such a project and how successful it will be, is not yet known. However, it can already be seen that the proposed concept has a number of positive features and is generally of interest, at least from a technical point of view.

In fact, we are talking about the creation of a specialized anti-aircraft installation with barreled weapons, capable of dealing with small and maneuverable air targets. At the same time, modern technologies and existing developments will make it possible to obtain high performance and combat qualities.

Target in the form of a light UAV, incl. commercial model, has a number of characteristic features. So, it is not easy to detect and accompany it with the help of optoelectronic or radar systems. Thanks to good optics, the drone can observe from a considerable distance from a ground object, which determines the requirements for the range of air defense fire. High accuracy is also required to guarantee the defeat of a small target.

In its current form, the Anti-Maidan / Rubezh complex is equipped with cameras for monitoring and aiming weapons. It is possible that the existing units correspond to the tasks of combating UAVs, but they can also be replaced with more advanced ones. In addition, an anti-aircraft gun can be included in the general air defense circuits. In this case, it will receive preliminary information about the targets from outside - from radar or other reconnaissance means.

During the tests, the automated complex showed high firing accuracy. With the declared characteristics, it is able to hit the UAV, as a maximum, with a few shots. At the same time, the combat module can be equipped with special rifles or even machine guns that use a different cartridge and show different levels of performance. It is obvious that the anti-aircraft installation will receive weapons that meet the requirements for the range of fire.


Light UAV of one of the popular models

It should be noted that the use of small arms will provide serious economic advantages. When using cartridges of the main types, the cost of a volley and hitting a target will be minimal. In this regard, Rubezh will be able to bypass existing artillery and missile systems. However, the cheapness of combat work will be associated with a limited range and reach.

"Frontier" is controlled from a remote operator's console; one gunner can control several such complexes. Probably, the existing fire control system will be finalized taking into account the specifics of air defense. It must confidently accompany small targets that perform maneuvering in all three planes. In addition, high accuracy is required in the calculation of targeting data in order to speed up the destruction of the target and reduce the consumption of ammunition.

When solving all these technical problems, it will be possible to create a full-fledged automated rifle complex capable of fighting even complex air targets. In addition, this version of "Frontier" / "Anti-Maidan" will retain the original functions of searching for and destroying ground targets. In fact, it becomes possible to create a multifunctional protection complex, moreover, for stationary or mobile use.

With a vision for the future


As reported, the development of a new automated anti-drone complex based on the Rubezh product is still in its very early stages. The necessary studies are being carried out, based on the results of which the main decisions will be made and ways of further development of the project will be chosen.

The new project will be created on the basis of an existing sample that has passed part of the tests and confirmed its characteristics. This fact already gives grounds for restrained optimism. It can be expected that in the foreseeable future in our country the development of several new automated systems for various purposes will be completed at once - including a specialized tool for combating small UAVs.
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  1. +3
    26 October 2022 16: 20
    What's to be smart about? what There is also a 4-barreled 12,7-mm aircraft machine gun Yes ... give him double-bullet cartridges ... good optics with a laser rangefinder ... and let the adversary complain afterward! stop
    1. +1
      26 October 2022 20: 35
      This is the weight and the price and the expansion of the service staff. if one barrel can handle it, then why pay more?
      1. 0
        26 October 2022 21: 11
        Well, in the 21st century, perhaps it's time to think about self-propelled guns first; and not about towing or carrying packs! Yes, and there are never too many trunks ... otherwise there would be no Gatlings and Gasts!
        1. 0
          27 October 2022 16: 22
          All this is a complication. The text of your comment is too short and, in the opinion of the site administration, does not carry useful information.
    2. 0
      27 October 2022 09: 21
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      There is also a 4-barreled 12,7-mm aircraft machine gun

      Even cheap Geranium has a ceiling of 4000 meters. MQ-1 conducts reconnaissance from heights of 3000-5000 meters. If we keep in mind household equipment that shoots from 300-700 meters, you can use anti-drone weapons, which even today work quite well up to 1000 meters and a little further. Therefore, the benefits of research on the cartridge 7,62x39 do not seem to me high. Just the development of money by the Lobaev + Kalashnikov group. Why beat flies with expensive high-precision weapons if there is a cheap fly swatter? Here we need a caliber "57+", but not Lobaev's topic. It is better, I think, to focus efforts (at least in terms of funding) on ​​creating a universal programmable fuse for the entire complex of artillery calibers that we have in the army.
      1. 0
        27 October 2022 16: 25
        The devices in the subject are just not from those drones for which air defense works, but those that are at 1000-1500m. They are much more used now on both sides for both reconnaissance and harassment. https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/kogda_my_vkljuchaem_ehtu_tjazheluju_khrenovinu_vse_drony_vsu_padajut_komandir_dronobojnogo_otrjada_pokazyvaet_svojo_oruzhie_lekcija_2022/60-1-0-13215
        1. +1
          27 October 2022 19: 22
          Quote: Dost
          The devices in the subject are just not from those drones for which air defense works, but those that are at 1000-1500m.

          1 MOA at 1000 meters is 30 cm, plus the wind, often not the same as the ground. And the copters do not stand still. All together gives a not very high percentage of defeat. What flies at such heights is usually affected by anti-drone electronic means.
          1. 0
            28 October 2022 16: 26
            What I saw in the reports, so there they (copters) often stood still. Hovering a few hundred meters from the place they were watching. Plus, what the Americans did in the same vein, for some reason, proved to be good. Why should we do poorly, especially with Lobaev's trunks?
      2. 0
        29 October 2022 10: 49
        So I would look if in the courtyard of your house you put the 57th paired crap, to scare away drones. To make a hole in the neighboring house for take-off. High accuracy is needed to reduce problems in dense buildings, your 57 is after 5 km. "mushroom pick" in minced meat. Not? unclear ? There are already a lot of vidos like Baboons over Odessa flying in all directions along the UPL, think about where the bullets flew. Give Lobaev and others money, not only Rostec to eat in one mug.
        1. 0
          29 October 2022 11: 10
          Quote: Leomobil
          put the 57th paired crap, scare away the drones.
          Drones should not be scared away, but shot down. In a year or two, the optics of the copter will be able to see with acceptable quality from 2-3 thousand. Where do you put the expensive little thing from Lobaev? They started making a robotic gunnery to control the perimeter from a ground intruder. That's their niche.
          Quote: Leomobil
          There are already a lot of vidos like Baboons flying over Odessa in all directions along the UPL

          What is the binding to the caliber of the weapon? The 57mm barrel will also shoot avoiding dangerous sectors. A programmable fuse compensates for inaccuracies at ranges and altitudes from which even multimillion-dollar UAVs do not give a clear picture. With Chinese household goods, it is necessary to work with electronic types of air defense, blocking the destruction of the video signal and control systems.
          1. 0
            30 October 2022 21: 01
            Limiters, laughing which are the stoppers on the turret? Are you seriously? no one put them on the exercises, even on the protection of the Topols, and in combat conditions you can also get in the face for this. Only electronics tied to rotary aiming mechanisms are impartial, high-precision weapons are necessary only because they can be used in densely populated areas. But this is not the most important thing that the "author" did not write about. It is possible to install in positions where a person cannot stay for a long time - on a tower crane, on the roof of a factory, warehouse, high-rise building. Where is the wind, snow, rain .. etc.
      3. 0
        1 February 2023 06: 53
        Hagen, what does Geranium have to do with it if we are talking about the fight against small-sized drones like the one shown in the picture in the article? Anti-drone weapons don't always work. Some drones, having lost the control signal, return automatically to the operator.
        Here you need a caliber "57+" ...
        Well, yes, as they say, beat sparrows from a cannon.
    3. 0
      27 October 2022 10: 23
      Shotgun shot with tungsten shot connected in pairs with steel wire.
      1. 0
        28 October 2022 00: 12
        The range of such a fraction is 100 m
        .........
      2. 0
        1 February 2023 07: 00
        dunkan is not a ground mount option. The flight range is not the same. But for a drone hunter for small drones, this option can be considered.
    4. 0
      1 February 2023 06: 44
      Nikolaevich I to defeat such small drones as in the picture in the article, a 12,7 mm bullet is too much. 5,56 or 7,62 mm will be enough.
  2. +1
    26 October 2022 16: 36
    yes, it’s interesting to make a small one - a small Shell, for small arms, i.e. not one rifle, but two ... increasing the rate of fire in general;
    The issue of price for such an object is very important - there will be a lot of such toys, and there will also be a lot of them to lose
    In addition, you will need to make a "radar" - to track such targets, the existing ones apparently will not help
    well, a network-centric will be required - as soon as such a complex is ready
  3. +3
    26 October 2022 17: 09
    From my sofa, a 30mm remotely detonated projectile looks like a more effective solution. winked
    1. -1
      26 October 2022 17: 39
      Of course. Projectiles 30-35 mm provide optimal speed and flight range, while having sufficient power and a large ammunition load with moderate recoil.
      For light vehicles and heavy vehicles like the second caliber, analogues of the M230



      On the ZSU, analogues of the 35 mm Oerlikon.
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 07: 05
        ColdWind projectiles 30-35 mm to fight a small drone as in the picture in the article are the same as shooting sparrows from a cannon.
    2. 0
      27 October 2022 07: 13
      Quote: Vigore
      From my sofa, a 30mm remotely detonated projectile looks like a more effective solution.

      And I would consider the option of a medium-caliber anti-aircraft gun. For example 76 mm. His shrapnel potential is much higher. with modern guidance tools, you can approach the principle, one projectile, one target. And against UAVs like Geranium, they will be much more effective.
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 07: 08
        the layman and here in general Geranium if we are talking about the fight against small-sized drones like the one in the picture in the article? And a 76 mm projectile for fighting a small-sized drone, as in the picture in the article, is the same as firing sparrows from a cannon.
    3. 0
      1 February 2023 07: 02
      Vigore 30-mm projectile to fight such small drones as in the picture in the article is the same as shooting sparrows from a cannon.
  4. +3
    26 October 2022 18: 54
    Quote: Vigore
    From my sofa, a 30mm remotely detonated projectile looks like a more effective solution. winked

    An infantryman from a trench how will this projectile be launched? Or a walking DRG? And Lobaev's idea can be precisely mass, say, in every department, or at least for a platoon. Cheap and cheerful, and if it works, then why not?
    1. +3
      26 October 2022 19: 20
      Each squad must have a soldier armed with a SmartShooter. Machine gunners so accurately, perhaps a Marksman.


      These sights can be placed on platforms. This killed an Iranian nuclear scientist.
      1. +2
        26 October 2022 20: 38
        Somewhere I've already seen it ... I remembered: "Kill the Jackal" with Bryuska.
      2. 0
        26 October 2022 20: 40
        It was also here about sights that are quite suitable for these purposes, but you need to seriously deal with this - https://topwar.ru/172044-umnye-pricely-smash-2000-izrail.html
    2. 0
      27 October 2022 09: 28
      Quote: faterdom
      Cheap and angry

      Lobaev rifle cheap? Well, let's see ... I think that an accurate barrel is very expensive in advance, plus accurate drives are even more expensive, a detection and tracking station is not a "penny" at all. All this for the sake of a Chinese quadric no further than 1000 meters? So so good.
      1. 0
        27 October 2022 13: 54
        Why are you considering everything separately? The version from Lobaev is being developed jointly with the air defense complex. I repeat once again, only a set of measures from reb and air defense to Lobaev’s riflemen and anti-drone balloons, everything will depend on the objects that need to be protected.
      2. 0
        1 February 2023 07: 13
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: faterdom
        Cheap and angry

        Lobaev rifle cheap? Well, let's see ... I think that an accurate barrel is very expensive in advance, plus accurate drives are even more expensive, a detection and tracking station is not a "penny" at all. All this for the sake of a Chinese quadric no further than 1000 meters? So so good.

        The Chinese quadric can do a lot of harm if it is used to aim and correct artillery.
  5. 0
    26 October 2022 20: 55
    in tests, the Rubezh module showed a horizontal guidance speed of 180 deg / s. Pointing accuracy is 0,1 MOA, resulting in a fire accuracy of 0,2 MOA.

    Isn't a couple of such modules enough to protect armored vehicles from missiles and RPG rounds?
    1. 0
      27 October 2022 05: 42
      Target speeds are too different. Accuracy doesn't matter here.
      1. 0
        27 October 2022 10: 13
        In the projection, the speeds are comparable (the missile is towards and the drone is past). Aiming time is important.
        1. 0
          27 October 2022 10: 29
          Quote from dunkan
          In the projection, the speeds are comparable (the rocket is towards and the drone is past)

          The angular velocity is of course important, but the RPG flight time, for example, 2 seconds at a full range of 500 m and the flight of a drone - a dozen or two seconds, are not comparable.
          The Angles at one time sawed KAZ on a machine-gun basis, they could not.
  6. +1
    26 October 2022 21: 53
    This suggests training in shooting at drones of existing remote-controlled combat modules in 12,7 mm caliber. Explosive cartridges for firing at air targets have been developed for them and the product is almost in series. The same "Crossbow" should work both as a smart sight and as a target tracking machine.
  7. 0
    27 October 2022 16: 35
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: faterdom
    Cheap and angry

    Lobaev rifle cheap? Well, let's see ... I think that an accurate barrel is very expensive in advance, plus accurate drives are even more expensive, a detection and tracking station is not a "penny" at all. All this for the sake of a Chinese quadric no further than 1000 meters? So so good.

    Do you think that a Chinese Mavic with a sticker from Chemezov or some "former grandson of Zubkov" would be cheaper than a Lobaev rifle? Only Lobaev, at least an author, a creator, and with mass production could reduce costs. From these same managers, not authors and not production workers, we see only an increasing share of non-production costs.
    1. 0
      27 October 2022 20: 01
      From a bird (and it doesn’t matter if it’s a mavic, figarik, or something else) with a thermal imager, the benefits are obvious.
      From this - not so much.

      author, creator

      Oh-wei, kreakl, titan of thought, father of Russian democracy!
      It even sounds gross.
      And, usually when there is such a blow, they are hyping the topic in order to cheat.

      and in mass production could reduce costs

      And here is the essence of defiambs - "give pennies."
  8. 0
    27 October 2022 20: 25
    Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
    And here is the essence of defiambs - "give pennies."

    You can do something the best in the world, especially in the field of weapons - then you will have "defiambs". In the meantime, instead of "defiambs" - there was, to put it mildly, defecation.
  9. 0
    28 November 2022 19: 08
    All this is exciting. But the biggest problem of drones, in my opinion, is their timely detection at a distance, which will make it possible to take adequate measures to destroy them. And this, whatever one may say, is special radars and it is necessary to place them the higher, the better. The cheapest method seems to be placing them on balloons along the front line.
  10. 0
    1 February 2023 06: 35
    Let's wait and see what happens with Lobaev. But in order to hit a small drone like DJI Mavic with the first shot, you need to have a really good guidance system and a fairly accurate weapon.
  11. 0
    1 August 2023 21: 23
    The topic is very relevant as it turned out and needs to be developed, in my opinion, it should be a combat module that can be installed on any equipment, including UAZ, what I see: AFAR, swir camera 360 degrees with intelligent scanning, tracking system, guidance, everything works in the machine, the start button is for the operator who makes the decision. Armament 2 GSHG-7.62 units and at least 4 MANPADS and thousands of such modules are needed! It could be placed on ships, trains, and anywhere!