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Defensive barriers: how and from whom seriously

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Defensive barriers: how and from whom seriously

For anyone who understands at least a little in engineering training, what is happening in the Belgorod region raises questions. Given the difficult situation, the installation of barriers can be considered in any way. We will try to assess what has already been done to date, especially considering how it has been presented by the media at the moment.


“The governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov said that the authorities of the region are installing protective structures. Concrete blocks of a pyramidal shape were placed in two rows in an open field. As a rule, they are used as anti-tank barriers. - Gazeta.ru, MK, Kommersant and many others replicated this text. Not particularly bothering himself with reflections on the anti-tank nature of these concrete tetrahedra.


Ukrainians frankly laugh. They have an association with the "Wall of Yatsenyuk", but there is really something else - more outrageous, more stolen money and less use. We will not compare, we will think.

And we will think from two directions, because somewhere the “Wagnerites” under the command of Bogatov arrange barriers from the same cubes, and somewhere some services in the Belgorod region under the leadership of Governor Gladkov are doing this.

And the sense, and the benefits of these works will be a little different, which we want to tell you about.

Let's start with a little history


Barriers have always existed. Against chariots, against cavalry, against infantry. Further against tanks. Bronze, iron, steel, concrete - everything depended on the time and who had to be stopped.


The idea itself is not new. In the Second World War, anti-tank hedgehogs performed their function very well. It cannot be said that many tanks were disabled by hedgehogs, no. It was an interesting means of covering (for example) the flanks. Not a single normal tanker of that time would have climbed on hedgehogs, because it shone with a transmission failure, a torn caterpillar, in general, a tank failure due to the stupidity of the commander.


Hedgehogs have proven themselves very well in Poland and France, so the same Germans, having seen the barriers of hedgehogs, simply bypassed them. And if there was the possibility of dismantling and organizing a passage in them, then they used this method of overcoming. But in 1941 no one climbed on hedgehogs.

What is in our time?


In our time, hedgehogs ... have grown somewhat. And they turned into concrete crap, which can really stop the tank with its mass.


It is not easy to remove such a barrier precisely because each such tetrapod is large and heavy. Here is an understanding of what it is - a protective tetrapod:



In our case, we have something different - the so-called "dragon's teeth".


These are the "dragon teeth" on the German Siegfried Line. This defensive line was located exactly opposite the French Maginot Line, but in 1944 it did not play its role, although certain sections of the line delayed the advance of the Allied forces. In general, the "Siegfried Line" was overcome in the interval from September 1944 to March 1945.


A type of Soviet production. Leningrad.

In general, the "Teeth" proved to be a very decent means of blocking directions. And today, in conditions of a different nature, they are still relevant.

Let's go back to our time



Here is a picture taken by Ukrainians in the area where the Wagner units are building their defenses. Everything is quite logical from the point of view of military engineering: two chains of obstacles, a ditch and, at a distance, trenches, from which it will be very easy to fire at equipment that overcomes obstacles. Something told us that it would be exactly like this, because in terms of preparation, the “Wagnerites” have order.

The Ukrainians, of course, are swaggering, but what was done in the picture fits perfectly into the picture of properly equipped positions. And it will not be easy to go there for a number of reasons, but this is already the subject of a separate consideration.

We are returning to what they are doing in the Belgorod region.

Let's put it this way: you need to consider everything very calmly. What the newspapers called it "anti-tank barriers" does not really make these scattered building materials so.

The main conclusion: this is not an anti-tank barrier.

Call it what you want, but the tank will pass here quite calmly. Yes, there is a possibility that the enemy (that is, we) will stuff mines between two rows of "teeth", moreover, this will be quite logical. But, as our tank expert Alexei Kuznetsov said, “I will pass here. Having spent a projectile, or to be completely calm - two.

It is clear that a 125-mm opener will calmly make a passage in such, God forgive me, "obstruction" easily and naturally, without straining the personnel at all.

Moving on: armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles with troops? They will pass. These “teeth” are not so heavy, the separation will easily remove them. Cable, crowbar, ten minutes - and the passage will be made. Yes, you will have to check for mines, but this is not such a big problem.

Another question: how likely is the appearance of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on the border of the Belgorod region? Let's just say it's small. Tanks simply have nothing to do in these places yet, they are needed in other places.

But a pickup truck with a DRG or a mortar in the back - yes. Here is the problem. The engine power may be enough to remove the “teeth”, but you will have to tinker a little. It is possible that in the form of an “opener” there will be an RPG-7 or something like that. But there is already unmasking, which the DRG is completely unnecessary.


In general, the enemy is very skeptical about all this, and so are we. These rows of "teeth" going to the horizon are a completely pointless waste of time and money (yes, they cost money, including, not to mention delivery and installation), which will not play the role of a barrier simply because it is possible to overcome such a "barrier" very easy.

Like a lock on your gate in the country - for order. Whoever needs to get in will climb in and nothing can stop him.

Mines… A very good thing, but just estimate how many of them will be needed to really close the direction? Yes, and laying mines today is not an easy task, you will have to set them exclusively at night, since during the day the ubiquitous copters and other UAVs will easily detect any swarming with all the ensuing consequences.

From our point of view, the usefulness of such "defensive lines" is more than doubtful. No, of course, the one who fulfilled the order for the ebb of such a huge number of tetrahedra did his good. And Governor Gladkov most likely cheered up the people of Belgorod, who are now getting it from the other side. In this regard, Gladkov is a good fellow, he generally conducts work in the region correctly in such a difficult time.

However, what are we talking about? About barriers.

But it turns out that this cannot be called an anti-tank barrier. Tank can't be stopped. BMP / BTR too. A pickup truck with a DRG ... It is possible, but it looks very doubtful. They will pass.

If, boldly emphasize, this is all that will be done


Here it is time to answer the question of what needs to be done in order for the barrier to become such a reality, and not on the paper of a brave report on the work done. And here we have something to say.

1. There is such a thing as a "tank-dangerous direction." Everyone understands perfectly well what it is. This is an area where it is as easy as possible for tanks and infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers with troops on board to pass.

So, in tank-hazardous directions, the “teeth” must be laid in six rows, not two. Six rows will make the most experienced tanker think very hard, since the possibility of damage to the vehicle and tracks increases significantly. And an experienced tanker will think very hard about the task of overcoming such an area, especially if item 2 is completed.

2. Ditch. The good old anti-tank ditch, which will be dug away from the "teeth" according to all the requirements of engineering. Fortunately, there is a technique for this.

The ditch must be at least 2 meters deep and at least 5 meters wide. The wall facing the enemy should have a slope of 45-60 degrees, and the opposite 60-65 degrees, so that there is no shedding. The height of the parapets should not exceed 0,5 meters and the edges of the parapets facing the field should be flat and about 7 meters wide.

3. Mines. Both anti-tank and anti-personnel. The first is clear why, the second so that those who decide to remove the barriers do not feel left out.

4. Control. From the air, it is simply necessary to make systematic overflights by drones. At dominant heights, it is necessary to equip observation posts provided with communications.

While the same DRG will pick its teeth and try to fill in the moat, the observers will call in the reaction forces, and they (the forces) in the person of an attack helicopter (and the Mi-8MTSH will be more than enough for such an action of reasoning) will tell the participants of the DRG that such activities are harmful to health.

Such a set of measures may turn out to be quite viable.

If, however, what is shown in the photo and video of the media will be considered measures to counter the enemy, alas, but this is only for those who carefully watch TV and do not understand military engineering. Of course, to a certain extent, such measures will raise the spirits of those who dropped it (and especially those who made money on concrete pyramids), but their military value will not only be minimal, it will be scanty.

So it's worth looking at what the Wagnerites are doing and continuing in the same spirit.
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  1. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 26 October 2022 05: 16
    +6
    When I saw this photo for the first time, I thought the same! Especially in the key: To whom is the war, and to whom is the mother dear! Not sickly devastated the budget of the Belgorod region! am
    1. carpenter
      carpenter 26 October 2022 06: 05
      +1
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      When I saw this photo for the first time, I thought the same!

      I saw the photo and thought it was Ukraine.
      1. Civil
        Civil 26 October 2022 10: 38
        +6
        So we got on the defensive ... you need to read how Model and Zhukov coped in such situations.
      2. Andrey_Ivanovich
        Andrey_Ivanovich 26 October 2022 16: 37
        +1
        yeah, in 14 - 15 they neighed gloriously on all resources, including VO over the Yaytsenyuk line.
        1. Mustached Kok
          Mustached Kok 26 October 2022 18: 00
          +5
          Well, I want to note, they were neighing because the "Yatsenyuk Line" had nothing but a small ditch and a rare gray rabica. And here, after all, at least some barriers.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 26 October 2022 21: 19
            0
            These barriers did not go far from the chain-link mesh. But yes, it really looks more solid and was implemented quickly without any chatter there.
            1. stankow
              stankow 26 October 2022 23: 34
              +1
              Sooo far from the slave. There will be minis, this is just the beginning ...
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 27 October 2022 12: 13
                0
                Well, how far this is not far in detail describes the article.

                Mines? I honestly doubt the feasibility.
                Firstly, the article itself mentions that they need a lot.

                Secondly, what kind of danger is there for the civilian population living in the surroundings, moreover, in the long term.

                And lastly, it is not obvious to me how expedient it is to build the Maginot Line there. What does this even mean? If you equip long-term fortifications on the border of Ukraine, does this mean that the long-term preservation of Nazi Ukraine is supposed to be? But what about denitification and demilitarization?

                And another question in pursuit - why not build these fortifications on the territory of Ukraine, well, at a time when it was generally controlled. Why build in the Bryansk and Kursk regions if it could be done in Kharkov and Poltava? But this is already a question more rhetorical than practical.
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 27 October 2022 05: 46
      +4
      And one destroyed transformer destroys the budget or not? Dofiga you smart guys here.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 26 October 2022 05: 19
    +19
    But a pickup truck with a DRG or a mortar in the back - yes. Here is the problem. The engine power may be enough to remove the “teeth”, but you will have to tinker a little. It is possible that in the form of an “opener” there will be an RPG-7 or something like that. But there is already unmasking, which the DRG is completely unnecessary.
    It is against the DRG, or rather, to reduce mobility, that these "teeth" are needed, and this measure, it seems to me, would not mine our land. Because sooner or later all this will have to be removed.
    1. Asad
      Asad 26 October 2022 05: 33
      +4
      I wonder how many tons this ,, clove ,, and whether mounting mortgages are removed?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 26 October 2022 05: 44
        +10
        Quote: ASAD
        I wonder how many tons this ,, clove ,, and whether mounting mortgages are removed?

        Well, there is no more than a quarter of a cube, which means no more than 500-600 kg.
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 26 October 2022 09: 11
          +15
          All this should be done by the Ministry of Defense, more precisely, the engineering units of the Ministry of Defense and not all and sundry. And if Shoigu is not able to organize such work, and he is not able, then he does not take his place and you need to put someone who is able to do this.
          We won the Great Patriotic War because a working system was built with leaders selected for business qualities. But we lost the Russian-Japanese one because the system did not work and the leaders were selected according to their personal relationship with the tsar.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 26 October 2022 09: 30
            +8
            Quote: ramzay21
            All this should be done by the Ministry of Defense, more precisely, the engineering units of the Ministry of Defense and not all and sundry.

            That's just a primitive pyramid in a position to fill in and expose anyone - with the will. Enough coordination with the military. The governors have such coordination.
          2. Veter5757
            Veter5757 26 October 2022 23: 38
            -1
            The incompetence of the leadership of the Moscow Region has long been creeping out of all the cracks. And self-removal from the performance of their duties. Lack of time for MO to do something like this. This is not according to plan
          3. Barberry25
            Barberry25 27 October 2022 09: 47
            +4
            the engineering units already have enough work, and light equipment won’t pull such teeth off the pontalyk, which means you need to mess around, which means the detection time is growing ... in fact, we now have the same front line on the border, there are troops and it’s one thing to slip through in jeeps through the fields to pass the LBS, and the other is to stop in the middle of a field shot through from all types of weapons and mess around for at least 20 minutes .. Such barriers are not just set up in the middle of the field, just at a normal distance from the supporters
          4. lubesky
            lubesky 27 October 2022 13: 51
            +4
            Quote: ramzay21
            We won the Great Patriotic War because a working system was built with leaders selected for business qualities

            I apologize, not for the sake of argument, but large and massive engineering barriers were built precisely by the population, and the organization of work on the construction of ditches and barriers, as well as the leadership of civilians, was carried out precisely by the local party apparatus, not by the military. The military leadership of the formation, army, front coordinated the "type" of structures, tank-dangerous directions, in the opinion of the headquarters, and when approaching (retreating) their own rear, they began to mine the fences already prepared by the civilian and party local leadership. Of course, in the fields, in the absence of large settlements, the Red Army itself did this
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 27 October 2022 17: 33
              0
              I apologize, not for the sake of argument, but large and massive engineering barriers were built precisely by the population, and the organization of work on the construction of ditches and barriers, as well as the leadership of civilians, was carried out precisely by the local party apparatus, not by the military.

              Not certainly in that way. They planned the construction of these fortifications in the General Staff, which ordered the construction of the engineering troops, and they, in turn, if it was impossible to do it on their own, allocated military engineers and turned to local party bodies for help, and they allocated people for construction. Therefore, although these structures were sometimes built by the population, they were built competently and in the right places.
        2. Deep Diver
          Deep Diver 26 October 2022 11: 22
          +9
          Less. Judging by the photograph, the height of the tooth is less than a meter, rounded up, exactly a meter. We also take the base side of the meter, then the volume of the pyramid will be 0,1443 m³, and its weight, with a concrete density of 2500 kg / m³, will be 360 ​​kg. This is the maximum, most likely less, because. I'm pretty sure that they used the cheapest concrete with a lower density
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 26 October 2022 11: 31
            +1
            Quote from Deep Diver
            with a concrete density of 2500 kg / m³, it will be 360 ​​kg. This is the maximum, most likely less, because. I'm pretty sure that they used the cheapest concrete with a lower density
            I won't argue at all. hi I would even assign a height of 80 cm.
            For resistance to pulling apart, either a hinged pin at the base or pins at the edges should be driven in and welded.
            1. Deep Diver
              Deep Diver 26 October 2022 12: 26
              +6
              This is if you want to make a normal fence line. And if you need a beautiful picture (and some money in your pocket), then ...
            2. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 26 October 2022 14: 27
              -1
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Quote from Deep Diver
              with a concrete density of 2500 kg / m³, it will be 360 ​​kg. This is the maximum, most likely less, because. I'm pretty sure that they used the cheapest concrete with a lower density
              I won't argue at all. hi I would even assign a height of 80 cm.
              For tear resistance you need either a hinged pin at the base or pins along the edges to hammer and weld.

              Well hello!!! hi Have you thought about those who will "grab" them in the winter so that they can sell them to summer residents in neighboring regions? laughing It seems to me that, seeing how they were installed, not every such "pyramid" will survive until spring - in the summer they can be seen at dachas in neighboring regions))))))))))))))))))
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 26 October 2022 15: 00
                +7
                Quote: Corona without virus
                Well hello!!! hi Have you thought about those who will "grab" them in the winter, so that they can be sold to summer residents in neighboring regions? laughing It seems to me that, seeing how they were installed, not every such "pyramid" will survive until spring - in the summer they can be seen at dachas in neighboring regions)))))))))))))))

                And there’s nothing to think about, I’m telling you as a summer resident to a summer resident! laughing Nafig she is not needed in the country, unless of course you are aiming at the pharaohs - one, but two - a conspicuous thing, you can’t buy one anywhere, and you’ll be burned on theft once - spit.
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 26 October 2022 15: 17
                  0
                  And here I am to you, too, as a summer resident to a summer resident hi I say that you can see in your childhood you didn’t play with a children’s toy like a snake, consisting of such pyramids feel There such a number of various combinations could be built !!! bully For 100 r apiece, summer residents will tear off such pyramids with their hands - and yes, you and I will know that these are actually protective devices, and 99,9 percent of the population who have not read this article will never guess about it) ))))))))
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 26 October 2022 22: 35
                    +3
                    Excuse me why? Are you going to build something out of this? It's so inconvenient. Lay out tracks instead of tiles? Well, in my opinion, it’s necessary to swing so much that it’s not clear what is better or buy a tile.
        3. topol717
          topol717 26 October 2022 22: 24
          +2
          Incorrect calculation.
          I look at the picture and see the height of the tetrahedron is somewhere around 80 cm.
          So its volume is equal to 1/12 * the length of the side in the cube and * Root of 2x = and this, according to my calculation, is 110 liters * 2500 g / cm3 = 275 KG
          Somewhere it is, otherwise you won’t bring much on KAMAZ.
          But there is another point here.
          If the DRG passes, then they will have to remove this tooth, and it is unlikely that anyone will put it back, and then simply, the quadrocopter flew by, and compared the pictures before and after, if there is a difference, then there was an attempt to drive. and a quadcopter can fly at least every day.
          Let's just say this is an alternative to the freshly plowed strip on the border, but only which performs 2 functions. At least some kind of attempt to detain the DRG and see the traces.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 27 October 2022 03: 27
            0
            Quote from: topol717
            Incorrect calculation.
            I look at the picture and see the height of the tetrahedron is somewhere around 80 cm. So its volume is 1/12 * the length of the side in the cube and * Root of 2x = and this, according to my calculation, is 110 liters * 2500 g / cm3 = 275 KG

            Smiling! Because 110 liters is no more than a quarter of a cube, and 275 kg is no more than 500-600 kg. So I got it right.
          2. Barberry25
            Barberry25 27 October 2022 10: 01
            +1
            you don’t even need a quadrocopter there, since the NPs should be along the LBS ..
    2. insafufa
      insafufa 26 October 2022 08: 25
      -2
      These teeth need to be done twice as much and three times as much for an intelligible effect on the DRG so that they don’t live so easily and the armored personnel carrier with the BPM will make it stop for a long time.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 26 October 2022 09: 36
        +2
        Quote: insafufa
        These teeth need to be done twice as much and three times as much for an intelligible effect on the DRG so that they don’t live so easily and the armored personnel carrier with the BPM will make it stop for a long time.

        Yes, the normal height, 80 cm, with a clearance of at least 50 cm and a bottom of a centimeter and a half. Another thing is that you can pull it apart, but here at least a little mind, and you can think of either a folding pin a meter long right away when casting, or hammering pins and welding blocks, but this is already a crap.
        1. Alexey Lantukh
          Alexey Lantukh 26 October 2022 21: 50
          +1
          Have you seen how road builders on wide highways make their budget by driving rail pins in the middle of the road with a special vehicle? This is how the pyramids from below should have such a rail with a length of a meter and a half. And then you can't move it. And the explosion of a projectile or a grenade launcher can damage anything.
          1. stankow
            stankow 26 October 2022 23: 40
            0
            Can be damaged. At the same time, they will hear for kilometers. That's the calculation.
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 27 October 2022 03: 33
            +1
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            This is how the pyramids from below should have such a rail with a length of a meter and a half. And then you can't move it.

            In order not to move even an infantry fighting vehicle, reinforcement of 18-22 mm and a meter long is enough, with a vertical installation, the CAM pin will go in under the weight of the pyramid, and you offer hemorrhoids with the involvement of special equipment. Need to think!
          3. Vasily Krylov
            Vasily Krylov 27 October 2022 23: 30
            +2
            Colleagues in VO and you are also very much mistaken, considering that the main defensive property of the pyramids is weight and large sizes. The height of the pyramid is made at the level of the front "beam" of the tank, about 70cm-120cm, 1941, Yu. Veremeev, M. Gorikker, concrete is not for weight, but for a wide area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbsupport, on soft soils. The materiel is our everything. With respect. Krylov.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 27 October 2022 10: 02
        +2
        DRG on an infantry fighting vehicle or an armored personnel carrier? Do you live fat, the Armed Forces of Ukraine now even have military units driving trucks, a maximum pickup truck
    3. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 27 October 2022 22: 00
      +3
      The author Skomorokhov gloriously amused. For the "experts" from the tanks, this is of course not a "barrage", but I suggest flying into it on a BMPeh at a speed of 30 km, at least .... the fuse will immediately pass.
      Well, or tilt such a cube with a crowbar under mortar fire ... good
      Such a barrier itself will not stop anyone, but it will greatly help the defending units, as it will not allow enemy vehicles to overcome open spaces at full speed. Deprive of mobility, stop, and standing equipment = a convenient target.
      1. andrey682006
        andrey682006 28 October 2022 07: 55
        +1
        You're right. The main feature of the DRG on a shahid-mobile is the speed of movement and the ability to drive not only along the roads, but also through the fields. These tetrahedrons will not let you drive at speed. This will force the DRG commander to look for a detour, which should be guarded and secured as a checkpoint. But this is on condition that such a line will be covered with secrets with constant surveillance and communication.
  3. _SAVO_
    _SAVO_ 26 October 2022 05: 33
    0
    Well, these are flowers for now ... Here, Mr. Mishustin proposed to puzzle ALL enterprises of the light industry with tailoring equipment - "... itch your shoulder, swing your arm ...". As I understand it, against the backdrop of the NWO, they are doing what they are doing. One activist suggested de-Satanization, I hope others canceled the money...
  4. Mungut
    Mungut 26 October 2022 06: 05
    +12
    Someone neighed over Geranium, in the end it turned out - cheap and cheerful. Maybe such a not intricate line with plays a role. Who knows.
    1. faiver
      faiver 26 October 2022 07: 40
      -3
      cheap and cheerful
      - about cheap, a moot point, or does the Ministry of Defense report to you on finances? But this is not important, the main thing is that an effective means of destruction ....
      1. Mungut
        Mungut 26 October 2022 09: 06
        +3
        Cheap is the criterion for comparison. This does not require a MO report.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 26 October 2022 22: 42
        +1
        - about cheap, a moot point, or does the Ministry of Defense report to you on finances?

        And there, in my opinion, everything is obvious and without reports.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 26 October 2022 08: 50
      0
      Interestingly - the Serpent Gorynych will take such a design? I think - easily .. So .. IMHO of course - but the good old ditches with mines along the front are somehow cheaper and more reliable .. Although of course they don’t look so show off.
      1. Mungut
        Mungut 26 October 2022 09: 11
        +2
        Gorynych will make a passage. And everyone will flow into this bottle neck.
        1. SincerityX
          SincerityX 28 October 2022 11: 29
          0
          Gorynych will decompose not across, along barriers. Then there will be for the entire length of the rocket flight.
          Thank God, the Reich does not seem to have Gorynychs.
          1. Mungut
            Mungut 28 October 2022 13: 31
            -1
            Or, as an option, it will hit right from the rear ......
      2. single-n
        single-n 26 October 2022 09: 26
        +4
        There is enough 1 mtlb or something similar and a compartment with crowbars. In half an hour there will be a passage of 20-30 meters. And the usual PAT will move it without even noticing. And the DRG in a jeep THIS will stop the mines for 10-15. maximum.
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 26 October 2022 09: 50
          +9
          But will those who pull them apart have 20-30 or at least 10-15 minutes?
          1. single-n
            single-n 26 October 2022 10: 22
            +6
            Depends on the quality of patrolling and fire cover.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 26 October 2022 22: 45
            +2
            Well, as if the article says it all. If behind them there are fortified trenches in which the troops occupy defenses, then no, or if, as the author suggests, continuous UAV patrols and a response group with a reaction time of the same few minutes. Without all this, this is a useless PR project.
            1. Servisinzhener
              Servisinzhener 4 November 2022 09: 36
              +1
              By the way, about a week ago, a video was posted in the TG with the destruction of the Ukrainian IMR-2. Such a machine can very quickly make a passage in such barriers.
        2. stankow
          stankow 26 October 2022 23: 42
          +2
          Slow down the enemy for half an hour - the battle is won. So there the enemy will not stupidly climb.
      3. insafufa
        insafufa 26 October 2022 10: 19
        +2
        Mines cost money and are expensive to install and mine clearance is even more expensive
      4. Barberry25
        Barberry25 27 October 2022 10: 04
        -3
        1) it's not cheap.
        2) not more reliable .. these barriers for light infantry on vehicles and they are good in this - you can install them in a few days and they will work, and then you yourself will shoot minefields for a long and tedious
    3. Novik225
      Novik225 26 October 2022 12: 05
      +4
      I agree. The Wagnerites were the first to put up such barriers, and many were already convinced of their ability to fight. And in many countries.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 26 October 2022 12: 34
        +3
        but there is a nuance! Wagner's defense does not consist of 2 rows of these pyramids .. take an interest .. there is a ditch there, etc.
  5. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 26 October 2022 06: 19
    +7
    The construction of protective structures on the border of Russia is the blue dream of every governor.

    This is cooler than the annual re-laying of all Moscow tiles. Here you can master any budget. Now is not the time to save, dear taxpayers - the Motherland is in danger.

    The German Siegfried Line "was a depth of 35 to 100 kilometers. Up to 30 pillboxes per kilometer. The thickness of concrete in pillboxes is up to half a meter.

    Several thousand bunkers for heavy guns. 90 soldiers of sapper battalions and 000 civilians worked on the construction. 400 fortifications.

    In front of the first row of gouges - anti-tank ditches. Plus rows of barbed wire. Plus rows of anti-tank hedgehogs. Plus hundreds of thousands of anti-tank and anti-personnel mines. Plus 60 anti-aircraft batteries for air cover.

    And the military value of these impregnable "Lines of Governors" is zero point, horseradish tenths.

    Ukrainians will not go to the Belgorod region, and if they do, this kindergarten will not delay them even for a minute.

    But the war will write everything off
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 26 October 2022 11: 31
      0
      I think fish are on bezrybe and cancer. Better than nothing.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 27 October 2022 10: 04
      -1
      but how will they go? where will they go? what outfit of forces and means? you are clearly confusing warm and soft
  6. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 26 October 2022 06: 21
    -6
    This is cooler than the annual re-laying of all Moscow tiles. Here you can master any budget. Now is not the time to save money - the Motherland is in danger.

    The German Siegfried Line "was a depth of 35 to 100 kilometers. Up to 30 pillboxes per kilometer. The thickness of concrete in pillboxes is up to half a meter.

    Several thousand bunkers for heavy guns. 90 soldiers of sapper battalions and 000 civilians worked on the construction. 400 fortifications.

    In front of the first row of gouges - anti-tank ditches. Plus rows of barbed wire. Plus rows of anti-tank hedgehogs. Plus hundreds of thousands of anti-tank and anti-personnel mines. Plus 60 anti-aircraft batteries for air cover.

    And the military value of these impregnable "lines" is zero point, horseradish tenths.

    Ukrainians will not go to the Belgorod region, and if they do, this kindergarten will not delay them for a minute
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 26 October 2022 09: 25
      +10
      Well, Skomorokhov has a kindergarten, it turns out, in two versions.
      What the governor is doing is bad.
      What the musicians do is good.
      It's time to make an application for the game in Android "find the differences".
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 28 October 2022 19: 08
        0
        In fact, the differences seem to be described in the article.
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  9. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 26 October 2022 07: 26
    +10
    but just dig a ditch - not cheaper and faster - against DRGs in jeeps? since it won’t be any use against tanks anyway .. it probably doesn’t look so “terrible” ..
    1. faiver
      faiver 26 October 2022 07: 37
      +7
      you can’t cut a lot of money on a ditch, well, it doesn’t look good, but here the teeth are in a row - beauty ....
    2. single-n
      single-n 26 October 2022 09: 28
      +9
      But interesting. Who owns the local concrete goods?
  10. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 26 October 2022 07: 36
    +9
    Another point, the dragon's teeth must be welded together with channels in blocks of 3-4 pieces. Singles are very easy to pull apart for aisle equipment. And they are just laid out in a row everywhere. This is direct sabotage!
    1. aars
      aars 26 October 2022 07: 38
      +2
      This is direct sabotage!
      But what an ad!
      1. FoBoss_VM
        FoBoss_VM 26 October 2022 07: 56
        +1
        Well, there is still not an exhibition for sale, but a defensive rampart
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 28 October 2022 19: 10
          0
          This is a very strange statement :)

          The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information
    2. svp67
      svp67 26 October 2022 08: 02
      +7
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Single very easy to pull apart for aisle equipment

      Provided that they are not mined and not covered by infantry, tank and artillery fire
      1. FoBoss_VM
        FoBoss_VM 26 October 2022 08: 38
        +2
        You can't cover the entire length of the line. 24 hours a day 7 days a week
        1. faiver
          faiver 26 October 2022 09: 45
          +3
          21st century in the yard, probably heard about video cameras? there is no need to put sentries every hundred meters ....
        2. svp67
          svp67 26 October 2022 11: 54
          -1
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          You can't cover the entire length of the line. 24 hours a day 7 days a week

          Well, yes, well, yes ... The main thing is that the enemy believes in it
    3. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 26 October 2022 09: 07
      +3
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Another point, the dragon's teeth must be welded together with channels in blocks of 3-4 pieces. Singles are very easy to pull apart for aisle equipment. And they are just laid out in a row everywhere. This is direct sabotage!

      A battery grinder will solve the problem with coupled channels faster than they will be cooked, this is not a “jigsaw” like sawing 50 years ago.
      1. single-n
        single-n 26 October 2022 09: 31
        +2
        And then there are cumulative charges. Especially for breaking beams, channels. And these things are 80 years old already. They are demolishing houses now.
      2. faiver
        faiver 26 October 2022 09: 50
        +4
        how will this grinder and her operator react to firing at them from a mortar, kvt, or a lighter rifle? you have a spherical horse in a vacuum ...
        1. Gvardeetz77
          Gvardeetz77 26 October 2022 11: 03
          +3
          Quote: faiver
          how will this grinder and her operator react to firing at them from a mortar, kvt, or a lighter rifle? you have a spherical horse in a vacuum ...

          Well, your straightforward thinking is akin to the thoughts of "geniuses" from the General Staff. The length of the borders of the Belgorod region with Ukraine is 540 km, even if one KPVT per 4 km (2 to the left-2 to the right), then this is already 140 armored personnel carriers, do you yourself calculate how many regiments this is? Or can we count people for protection, 24/7? Believe me, if the coupling of blocks needs to be broken secretly, then this can be done, of course, not with a grinder (noisy), then with a small gas burner for sure (or something else, darkness options, the task would be set and the means of support allocated not in the form of a plundered MTO-AT) , and then with the help of a simple winch, half-ton "teeth" can also be pulled apart without too much noise. They came up with a panacea here in the form of two rows, it’s not clear what, a complex of measures for protection is needed, otherwise, how the children, by God, closed their eyes with their hands and as if they were not visible. Although if you cover your back seat with paper from the prosecutors, like you didn’t sit idly by, then it may pass ...
          1. faiver
            faiver 26 October 2022 11: 27
            +2
            a set of measures to protect
            - I'm talking about the complex, and not about the double row of concrete teeth. With surveillance systems, rapid response teams.
            then this is already 140 armored personnel carriers, do you yourself calculate how many regiments this is?
            - one regiment, even with your numbers. If you don’t know, then in one motorized rifle company there are 10-12 armored personnel carriers, in a battalion there are about fifty, then count how many of them are in the regiment ....
          2. Barberry25
            Barberry25 27 October 2022 10: 05
            0
            and who told you that nothing is being done except for these blocks?
  11. svp67
    svp67 26 October 2022 07: 58
    +7
    Confusion, not analysis. How can you draw conclusions from a couple of photographs, it is not clear where they were taken ...
    Where is the last photo from? From the Belgorod region or from the LPR? In any case, an anti-tank ditch is clearly visible on it, behind chains of "dragon teeth", and it was clearly equipped with the help of MDK-3.

    And in the distance, some kind of open position is clearly visible, perhaps a bunker will be installed there to cover this section of the barrier
  12. Woodman
    Woodman 26 October 2022 08: 44
    +2
    “The governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov said that the authorities of the region are installing protective structures. Concrete blocks of a pyramidal shape were placed in two rows in an open field. As a rule, they are used as anti-tank barriers" - "Gazeta.ru", "MK", ​​"Kommersant" and many others replicated this text. Not particularly bothering himself with reflections on the topic of anti-tank

    Well, actually, a quote from MK
    Today we have already forgotten the experience of that war, and therefore some of the inhabitants were confused by the size of these triangles - are they too small to stop modern enemy tanks and armored vehicles?

    It turns out not. Both Russian and foreign military experts admit that the use of "dragon teeth" is a long-tried and proven practice. Behind such anti-tank gouges there is a trench, firing points, fortified pillboxes, positions for infantry ... All this together makes it possible to stop and respond in time to possible offensive actions of the enemy on the defense line.



    But a pickup truck with a DRG or a mortar in the back - yes. Here is the problem. The engine power may be enough to remove the “teeth”, but you will have to tinker a little. It is possible that in the form of an “opener” there will be an RPG-7 or something like that. But here is the disguise

    as our tank expert Alexei Kuznetsov said, “I will pass here. Having spent a projectile, or to be completely calm - two.
    It is clear that a 125-mm opener will calmly make a passage in such, God forgive me, "obstruction" easily and naturally, without straining the personnel at all.
    But these "shell or two" and "125-mm opener" will work "without noise and dust", i.e. without unmasking?

    Here, after all, the whole question is to cover up this line and its completeness. If the line remains in the form referred to in this article and there is no cover, then the conclusion is correct - the line is useless. If there is a cover, if the construction of the line continues, then the article is premature and, therefore, fundamentally wrong.
  13. paul3390
    paul3390 26 October 2022 08: 47
    +4
    laying mines today is not an easy task, you will have to set only at night

    And what - the remote mining systems in our army have already been canceled? what
  14. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 October 2022 08: 50
    +14
    A tetrapod, which the authors for some reason call "concrete crap", is a common element of a sea breakwater. If we accept the opinion of the authors
    the one who fulfilled the order for the ebb of such a huge number of tetrahedra, raped his benefit.
    , then it is worth recognizing that the authors, having written a note, also had their benefit in the form of a fee.
  15. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 26 October 2022 10: 16
    0
    It’s beautiful, of course ... but no one has canceled ARVs, IMRs, BATs, self-digging systems, mounted dumps! Money buried in the ground...
    Only an anti-tank ditch is worth something, and only if dug correctly ...
  16. Glory1974
    Glory1974 26 October 2022 10: 42
    +8
    As always, the system works in war. By themselves, concrete gouges do not solve anything. And if there is a system of engineering barriers under supervision and covered by fire, it will be useful. In general, everything is written in the combat mustav, there is no need to invent anything, do it and the result will be.
  17. fiv
    fiv 26 October 2022 10: 58
    +2
    True, I am a very former signalman of the Strategic Missile Forces, but I think if the pyramids are connected to each other with wires 15-20 mm in diameter and a Bruno spiral is thrown on, it will turn out very well. At least I would look for a detour. I didn’t drive a tank, I can’t imagine its ability
    1. stankow
      stankow 26 October 2022 23: 51
      0
      Everything will be. You have only been shown the beginning.
  18. zxc15682
    zxc15682 26 October 2022 11: 13
    0
    The main thing is that they are .. And transport them to another place when necessary.
  19. voffka
    voffka 26 October 2022 11: 28
    -1
    This line needs to be supplemented by UAVs with thermal imagers patrolling 24/7
  20. decimalegio
    decimalegio 26 October 2022 11: 36
    0
    Leaving aside any question of the usefulness of such a fortification. In my opinion, there is no central axis with which you can fix the obstacle on the ground. An easily positioned and easily secured obstacle should be studied. During World War II, the British studied a type of obstacle that could be easily installed. It was about buoys. Each buoy was a concrete truncated cone with a rounded bottom, approximately 84 cm high and with a hole 50 mm in diameter along the axis. They will be placed in at least five rows along the roadway. The passage of a rod or beam through a pair of buoys formed the wheel axle. The buoys were conceived as an alternative to a simple concrete cylinder. The advantage of the buoy was that it could quickly block or unblock the road. Passing a rod or beam through a pair of buoys formed a wheel axle that could easily be put in place; when the bar was removed, the buoys could be detached and raised. Although the conical shapes folded easily, they could not be rolled very far, they moved unpredictably and fell out of the tank's line of sight, making them difficult to avoid. However, they were ultimately found to be ineffective and were gradually phased out. In the case under consideration, a hole could be left along the axis of the dragon's tooth, through which it was possible to insert an anchor driven into the ground. Aren't they simpler than the Hesco bastions, arranged like dragon's teeth, fixed on the ground and covered with soil of ditches and trenches ????
  21. Reznov
    Reznov 26 October 2022 11: 37
    +2
    These obstacles are not supposed to stop tanks and armored vehicles, just to slow them down. To give enough time for the Russian artillery and ATGM-s to finish them off.
  22. Vic Vic
    Vic Vic 26 October 2022 11: 44
    +2
    "Call it what you want, but the tank will pass here quite calmly"
    Is there a video where modern tanks "quite calmly" overcome two rows of such barriers? I haven’t seen it ... It is possible that an experienced mechanical water already having a similar approach can handle it, but are there any experienced ... At the same time, it is likely that the chassis of the tank will get damaged or get stuck, hanging on the gouges. Tanks are unlikely to pass on the move, and to force them to slow down, to stop for a while, this is the task of such structures.

    "Let's move on: armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles with troops? They will pass. These "teeth" are not so heavy, the squad will easily remove them. Rope, crowbar, ten minutes - and the passage will be made. such a big problem."
    A highly dubious claim. This is already stopping the movement of the enemy, crowding, a dozen minutes of a heapy target in one place, which could be better for destroying the enemy.
    This statement can be true if the enemy advances, his manipulations with gouges and possible mines remain invisible and no one reacts to anything.
    1. stankow
      stankow 26 October 2022 23: 55
      +1
      Not a single driver in his right mind will drive a car to the edge! Will wait for her to be shot from a cannon or blow. And this is time and unmasking, the loss of the pace of the offensive.
  23. Stormsdruttin
    Stormsdruttin 26 October 2022 11: 47
    +1
    The photograph shown as an example is not Leningrad, but Budapest.
  24. Igorash
    Igorash 26 October 2022 13: 08
    -3
    Just stupid people ... From a bad initiative or from hopelessness .... but still you don’t have to be like that ...
  25. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 26 October 2022 13: 37
    0
    Judging by the photo for the article "obstacles" and the experience of serving in the autobattalion of the USSR, I will act as a "field expert" hi
    Three crowbars, a log, three soldiers from the autobattalion and 10 minutes - a passage for equipment will be made, even a KAMAZ with a trailer will pass. bully
    In a difficult case - 2 soldiers, 2 crowbars and a log - then in 15 minutes the food will be ready ... recourse

    ... Oh yes, I forgot to say that in the first version, in the second, a smoke break before work is included in the total time, because as we were taught "Any little work begins with a big smoke break"))))))))))) ))
  26. Alexander X
    Alexander X 26 October 2022 15: 27
    +2
    Anyone who has ever hung a jeep on a boulder unnoticed in the grass can say with certainty that these pyramids are very effective against cars, and the tank will not immediately slip through them. Pull apart the pyramids to create a passage? Yes, you can. But at the same time get shot at. Gorynych will not destroy them! And it doesn't scatter. Again, it's time to clear the driveway. And this means that they perform the task of slowing down the attacking enemy. Yes, and secretly she will not pass right away.
  27. Postcode
    Postcode 26 October 2022 15: 50
    +2
    To begin with, we need not an excursion into history, as such, but somewhere, in the direction of instructions on military engineering training. Engineering barriers (ditches, gouges, hedgehogs, etc.) do not work on their own, well, or almost do not work. Everything related to engineering barriers must be considered as a whole, that is, in addition to engineering ones, as such, they must be mine-explosive. Even, in a complex, by themselves, and they are not so effective, but this should be considered in terms of the defense of the area / area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe terrain, that is, the positions of the defending troops, the deployment of fire weapons, the organization of the fire system, etc. etc. No one says that the tank columns of Manstein or Gudarian were stopped by hedgehogs with gouges, they were stopped by the ARMY, with a competent defense. The task of the engineering barrier is the first, in slowing down the speed of advancement, forcing to make / search for passages, bypass routes. When slowing down and stopping, the equipment becomes more convenient for aiming and defeating, when organizing passages to search for them, someone will run into mines, when the passage is completed, the equipment and personnel will have to crowd, which will create the possibility of applying concentrated fire by artillery and aircraft, that is, the possibility of defeating the enemy increases manifold, inflicting maximum losses on him, which will force him to abandon his offensive plans.
  28. Bear
    Bear 26 October 2022 16: 09
    0
    It would be logical to assume that these protective lines will be additionally equipped with perimeter alarms and mobile video monitoring stations using UAVs,
    so that when trying to violate the perimeter, it would be possible to adequately, depending on the forces and means of the enemy, respond to the threat. In this case, such an integrated approach has the right to be implemented.
  29. Cjiobo
    Cjiobo 26 October 2022 16: 37
    +2
    This line is relevant if it is constantly under supervision, let's say so. And shot. Then it will completely fulfill its function, stopping a quick breakthrough in light transport. There will be laughter here until the moment when they try to pass through this line. And if there is a ditch later, and trenches. There, laughter in the throats will get stuck from losses.
  30. Gene
    Gene 26 October 2022 18: 00
    0
    The Siegfried line is a pyramid in 5 rows, interconnected at the base and, in fact, they are one whole....
    The pyramids in the Belgorod region, in two rows, are not interconnected, however, in the presence of a moat, this obstacle is difficult to pass on the move .... But nothing prevents them from being dumped into the same moat ...
  31. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 26 October 2022 20: 24
    +1
    Well, I would like to point out an important thing. There is no insurmountable barrier. But engineering barriers are INCREDIBLY useful. Why? Properly constructed barriers are designed to:
    1) Spend more money on the enemy to break through than the defending side spends on setting up barriers
    2) Slow down the advance of the enemy in the necessary areas. Accordingly, the more time the enemy is in the breakthrough zone, the more fire can be directed at the enemy
    3) If, for the purpose of breaking through speed, the enemy concentrates forces in one narrow area, he endangers high losses during shelling due to the concentration of troops in one region
    4) The presence of a complex system of obstacles forces the enemy to select other ways of attack, thereby making the enemy's actions more predictable

    But all this only works if the fortification is comprehensively implemented within the framework of a single strategy along the entire line of contact and control is distributed among the commanders of the respective front sectors.

    And if such barriers are installed locally, randomly in small areas, there is not so much benefit from them.

    At the same time, the barriers are just as convenient in the offensive. As, for example, before an offensive, it is possible to organize lines of obstacles from sections that, when advancing the offensive, will be the flanks of the shock fist. The enemy, when trying to counter-offensive, will try to bypass the shock fist from the rear, and suddenly he will stumble upon freshly placed barriers, due to which the counter-attack will stall or fail altogether.
  32. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 26 October 2022 22: 06
    0
    To the snowfalls they scatter randomly,
    to fall asleep.
    And you are tormented to make passages ..
  33. Oberleutnant
    Oberleutnant 26 October 2022 23: 35
    +1
    Governor Gladkov most likely cheered up the people of Belgorod, who are now getting it from the other side
    And that's the point. Calm down the population.
  34. Parvis rasulov
    Parvis rasulov 27 October 2022 01: 38
    +1
    As for the barriers, what the Wagnerites are doing, most likely it’s not against tanks, but carts based on all sorts of all-terrain vehicles, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine, during attacks in the Kharkov direction, and in the Izyum region, broke through sections where there were few forces precisely on carts, as well as on various armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, breaking into the rear created chaos and the appearance of the environment, which caused retreats.
    And so these concrete cubes can be easily pushed apart with a bulldozer blade.
    So in Soviet times, and now, too, every third producing tank has special brackets for tank trawls and bulldozer blades, this is in addition to the fact that the tanks of the T80 and T72 series also had their own dump for self-digging.
  35. certero
    certero 27 October 2022 02: 02
    0
    It seems to me alone that the special operation to demilitarize Ukraine somehow turned the wrong way in connection with the construction of defensive lines along the state border of Russia?
    No ditches and so on will be able to stop enemy tank columns if these same fortifications are not defended by motivated, trained and well-armed personnel. And best of all, the enemy could not approach them at all.
    However, it seems like they were going to do this starting a special operation on February 24, 22
  36. mmaxx
    mmaxx 27 October 2022 05: 52
    0
    For that, engineering barriers exist to reduce mobility, but it is better to stop the enemy for a while. It just needs to be understood. Stopping is a precondition for destruction.
    Sometimes it is enough to drive the GMZ plow to stop. And that's it. Call engineering reconnaissance and wait for it to report whether there are mines there at all or not.
    And Yatsenyuk's fence could not stop anyone. That's why they yelled at him.
    Yes, what is there to explain! People have fought all their lives and have long known that it is easier to defend behind a barrier. And someone is crying.
  37. gromit
    gromit 27 October 2022 13: 07
    -1
    So the author himself answered - they put pyramids against light pickups with DRGs, which can quickly break through, make a commotion and dump. And oddly enough, with a responsible approach to the installation of pyramids, this will work.
  38. Deis
    Deis 27 October 2022 14: 09
    0
    It looks like markers, you can’t sneak through any more. Until you pull, until you pass. Time))). And UAVs monitor the integrity one way or another.
  39. Bayun
    Bayun 27 October 2022 17: 03
    +1
    What is in the 1st photo is quickly overcome with the help of ... A DESIGNER SHOVEL! Undermined and rolled - 15 minutes of work. It is necessary to dig from the side where the corner is, it is easier to shove it. People removed concrete blocks in the forest in such a way - they prevented them from passing "for mushrooms".
  40. Jager
    Jager 27 October 2022 23: 19
    0
    In our city curbs are constantly changing. Pyramids are cast here. Who can support their pocket))
  41. balabol
    balabol 28 October 2022 00: 18
    0
    Signature "Variety of Soviet production. Leningrad
    "And the picture on top how are they connected? The author considers this to be Leningrad because the river is wide?
  42. Fire
    Fire 28 October 2022 07: 04
    0
    "Soviet-made variety. Leningrad."
    And how long has Budapest turned into Leningrad? KG/AM
  43. Vyacheslav Ermolaev
    Vyacheslav Ermolaev 28 October 2022 09: 56
    0
    In fact, you can remove everything if no one interferes. Let the author try to do this with fire resistance from the defenders and answer the elementary question: how would he like to defend himself: with such an obstacle or without any. In the first picture, the barrier is set correctly, in front of a copse, and in front of it is an open space.
  44. MaxN
    MaxN 28 October 2022 12: 32
    0
    While the teeth will be overcome, the authorities will have time to take down the flags and bake bread to meet the so-called enemy
  45. Illanatol
    Illanatol 28 October 2022 13: 41
    0
    Quote: certero
    No ditches and so on will be able to stop enemy tank columns if these same fortifications are not defended by motivated, trained and well-armed personnel. And best of all, the enemy could not approach them at all.


    A well-prepared defense in some sectors makes it possible to concentrate more forces in the sectors of a future offensive. It is especially true if you do not have "countless regiments."
  46. Kirill Valkovsky
    Kirill Valkovsky 28 October 2022 15: 16
    0
    And how will the enemy climb out of the infantry fighting vehicle to remove these barriers, if there is a trench with a machine gun a couple of tens of meters away? And a tank. Will he waste shells on some concrete gouges when another tank fires at him from behind cover?
  47. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 29 October 2022 15: 05
    0
    No, well, if everything around is abundantly mined - why not ... for lack of fish and cancer - fish ...
  48. Hog
    Hog 30 October 2022 23: 09
    0
    Where do you get so many sofa experts)))
    99% of you don't even know where it was built, but everyone knows that it's wrong)
    The "teeth" are located a few kilometers from the border, which (if someone is not in control) is controlled by the border guards and their goal is to slow down those who passed through the border before reinforcements arrived and nothing more. Yes, this was done against the DRG and nothing more, and if they light up, then they will have no time to overcome it.
    1. decimalegio
      decimalegio 3 November 2022 11: 36
      0
      Nothing can be discussed. We understand that this is not the Maginot Line. But let's at least talk about how we would like the reinforcement to be done. You want to kill the child that every man has that pushes him to build and use Lego, even when he's an adult. Much to the chagrin of the children they were bought for. laughing
      1. decimalegio
        decimalegio 3 November 2022 11: 41
        0
        I would prefer such a barrier. It seems to me just as effective, less expensive, but above all, environmentally sustainable. winked
  49. PC
    PC 3 November 2022 13: 55
    -1
    Basically, it was a pointless publicity stunt. They shouted, hyped, but to no avail.
  50. air wolf
    air wolf 4 November 2022 20: 01
    0
    When I saw this, I thought it was a fake or a joke, and when I found out what was real, I shed a tear, idiocy of the highest degree, for the money spent, you can launch a dozen drones for control and a dozen two or three ground radars
    along the entire border of anti-personnel and air defense. Mastering clean water...