The ancient automatic gun S-60 successfully fights in Ukraine

The S-60 system in the museum. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

Photo and video materials with handicraft artillery mounts based on 57-mm S-60 automatic guns are again coming from the area of ​​the Special Operation. Despite the specific origin and great age of the guns, such combat vehicles have a fairly high potential and are quite suitable for solving a number of fire missions in a modern conflict.

A necessary measure

Self-propelled guns in the form of a truck with a cannon on a platform appeared in the Donbass back in 2014, shortly after the outbreak of hostilities. Such equipment was made in artisanal conditions by both Donbass militias and Ukrainian formations. In both cases, this was a forced measure due to the lack or lack of full-fledged self-propelled artillery.

In the course of hostilities, the defenders of Donbass gained the necessary experience and developed optimal methods for using their "gantraks" with S-60 guns. 57-mm guns proved to be a good tool for dealing with all lightly armored combat vehicles and some structures available to the enemy. At the same time, the self-propelled chassis made it possible to quickly leave the position and escape from the retaliatory strike.

After the start of the Russian Special Operation, the use of improvised self-propelled guns continued with renewed vigor. Probably, new machines of this kind were made to make up for losses and to strengthen artillery units. The use of 57-mm guns was again reported, and they once again confirmed the calculated characteristics.

The latest reports about the participation of S-60 products in the Special Operation appeared just the other day. Thus, personnel of the combat work of artillerymen of the Luhansk People's Republic were distributed among specialized resources. The self-propelled guns shown and its crew participate in the battles in the Lisichansk direction and contribute to the destruction of the enemy. The video demonstrates the processes of firing bursts, loading ammunition, etc.

Self-propelled guns with AZP-57 guns. The car in the foreground, apparently, was recaptured from the Ukrainian formations. Photo Telegram / "Corner of the Sith"

In addition, we can expect the replenishment of the fleet of such artillery. Recently, unverified information appeared about the removal of Russian S-60 products from storage and transportation, probably to the zone of the Special Operation. It is assumed that these guns will also be installed on the available chassis, and the Donbass units will receive new “gantrucks”.

With a long history

The S-60 anti-aircraft artillery system is distinguished by its great age and long history. The development of the promising 57-mm AZP-57 gun, which became its basis, began as early as 1944 and was carried out at NII-58 in V.G. Grabin. In the first post-war years, the finished gun with all other equipment was put to the test. In 1950, the new complex was adopted by the Soviet army.

The S-60 complex was considered as one of the main means of military air defense, in connection with which it was produced in a large series. According to various sources, several tens of thousands of such products were manufactured. The main recipient of the guns was the Soviet army. In addition, they were supplied to many friendly states.

The AZP-57 gun was used not only as part of the S-60 complex. In the fifties, the ZSU-57-2 self-propelled gun was created with a pair of such guns. Various options for using the gun in the creation or modernization of other armored vehicles were proposed. For fleet developed the AK-725 turret with a pair of 57-mm guns.

Due to obsolescence, the S-60 anti-aircraft system was removed from service with the Russian army long ago. Part of the decommissioned guns went for recycling, while the rest were mothballed. Apparently, now such weapons are being removed from storage, and they are getting a second life.

The calculation of the gun is firing. Photo Telegram / "Military Chronicle"

In the tenth years of the XXI century. The AZP-57 cannon has been modernized and has become the main armament of the AU-220M Baikal combat module. To date, several variants of this module with different features have been developed. A number of combat vehicles with such weapons are also offered. Some of these samples have already reached the test.

S-60 systems have been actively used in various armed conflicts in recent decades. They were used both in their original towed form and as a component of a self-propelled unit on an accessible chassis. In this form, the S-60 / AZP-57 is still used today.

Technical features

The S-60 is an anti-aircraft artillery system with a 57-mm automatic cannon on a towed chassis. Its task is to combat air and ground targets at ranges up to 6 km and altitudes of 5 km using projectiles of various types. Calculation of the complex - up to 8 people.

The basis of the complex is the automatic gun AZP-57. It is equipped with a 57 mm rifled barrel with a length of 85 klb. There is a muzzle brake and recoil devices. The long barrel gives the muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s and provides the specified firing range.

The gun uses automatics based on the recoil energy when fired. Unitary shots 57x348 mm SR with fragmentation tracer, armor-piercing incendiary and other projectiles are used. The supply of ammunition is carried out manually using clips for four shells. Automation provides a technical rate of fire up to 120 rds / min. Practical does not exceed 70-75 rds / min.

Recharge. Photo Telegram / "Military Chronicle"

Guidance of the gun is carried out by calculation using manual or electric drives. In this case, your own sight or data from an external gun guidance station can be used. In the latter case, several S-60s can simultaneously work effectively on the same target.

The S-60 complex includes a wheeled carriage, hung out with the help of jacks. The movable part of the carriage has space for two gunners. All-round horizontal guidance is provided with vertical guidance from -4 ° to + 85 °. The entire installation with a carriage weighs 4,8 tons.

When creating a "gantrak", only the upper carriage machine with a gun and calculation places is used. Using a homemade adapter, it is installed on the cargo area of ​​a suitable vehicle. The resulting ACS has obvious advantages over the original towed complex.

An impromptu solution

Improvised self-propelled guns, incl. based on the S-60 system, are a forced decision. They are built in artisanal conditions due to the lack or lack of full-fledged factory-made combat vehicles. At the same time, this technique also matters, because. the alternative is its complete absence. In addition, it has several characteristic features that can be an advantage.

First of all, it is improved mobility. The trucks used have high cross-country ability, and their mobility is not limited by the parameters of the gun carriage. In addition, there is no need to deploy guns to the position and prepare to leave it. "Gantrak" can simply arrive and leave the position.

Shot, view from behind the gun. Photo Telegram / "Military Chronicle"

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The AZP-57 gun, despite its great age, still shows high performance. It is capable of hitting manpower and unprotected targets at ranges up to 5-6 km. The fight against armored vehicles in a wide range of ranges is also provided. Regular projectiles of various types at a distance of 1 km are capable of penetrating at least 95-100 mm of homogeneous armor. This is enough to defeat any modern foreign armored vehicles, with the exception of tanks and machines based on them.

It should be noted that the 57-mm cannon surpasses the common 30-mm systems installed on various types of armored vehicles in terms of basic firing characteristics. This means that self-propelled guns with AZP-57 are able to effectively support their armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, as well as destroy enemy vehicles from a greater distance.

Improvised technology also has disadvantages. The main one is the lack of protection. Often, such self-propelled guns have only one armor element - the shield cover of the gun. Accordingly, additional measures are needed in the form of overhead booking on other important structural elements. For aiming the gun, a regular sight of the old model is used. It seriously limits the maximum range and accuracy of fire. In this case, the installation of new control devices in most cases is not possible.

Confirmed Capabilities

Improvised self-propelled guns in the form of a truck with a S-60 / AZP-57 gun were a forced decision at one time. At the same time, with all the objective limitations and problems, such a technique made it possible to improve the fire capabilities of the Donbass militias. Moreover, it still copes with the assigned tasks, is operated together with other artillery systems and contributes to the fight against the enemy.

In addition, practice has again shown that the S-60 system and the 57 mm caliber as a whole are distinguished by high performance and retain significant potential. It is quite possible that the current battles and the use of handicraft "gantrucks" will contribute to the further development of 57-mm systems. And this will accelerate the appearance of full-fledged combat vehicles with such weapons in the troops.

Comments

[Buyan]

Straight real Tehran on a wagon looks aggressive

[cold wind]

Someone joked about the T-34 in the next article... it doesn't seem like a joke now. The peers of the T-34-85 are already in the SVO, in addition to the S-60, the D-1 152-mm howitzer of the 1943 model has been fighting there for several months. Mosinki can not be remembered.

[insafufa]

So the Ural-375D is not a new gasoline one in the photo, not D1 but D20, well, it’s very similar to her

[insafufa]

So a poor quality photo D1 looks like this

[insafufa]

Here is the D-20 howitzer
Try the difference is called

[cold wind]

In the photo it is D-1.

1. 122-mm barrels began to be withdrawn in the spring, an accessible ammo was shot, first in the militias, then in the RF Armed Forces. In the militias they were replaced by the D-20.
2. In September, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation also shot the tables on the Mstakh, Hyacinths and Akatsiyas, there are already not enough shells for the new 152-mm barrels (Msta, Hyacinth).
Therefore, since August, the process of withdrawing the D-20 from the militias and transferring them to the RF Armed Forces has begun, while there are still shells.
3. LDNR receive D-1, model 1943 from the end of August.
4. Deliveries of S-60s for work on ground targets have now begun.

With one caliber of 152 mm, there are different ballistic solutions.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote from cold wind

1. 122-mm barrels began to be withdrawn in the spring, an accessible ammo was shot, first in the militias, then in the RF Armed Forces. In the militias they were replaced by the D-20.
2. In September, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation also shot the tables on the Mstakh, Hyacinths and Akatsiyas, there are already not enough shells for the new 152-mm barrels (Msta, Hyacinth).
Therefore, since August, the process of withdrawing the D-20 from the militias and transferring them to the RF Armed Forces has begun, while there are still shells.
3. LDNR receive D-1, model 1943 from the end of August.
4. Deliveries of S-60s for work on ground targets have now begun.

Frankly speaking, it is hard to believe in the fidelity of these statements. See:
1. 122-mm began to be withdrawn, almost immediately after the start of deliveries of artillery systems to ukram + "suddenly" it turned out that 122-mm were much inferior in range and efficiency to 152 and 155. Actually, the "misadventures" 122 near Kuev are quite well known.
2. The Ukrainians and Syrians didn’t kill the trunks in 10 years, but were we able to kill all the stocks in a few months? It's the same with ammunition. + we remember about our own, at the very least, but working production. This is not to mention storage bases with the same hyacinths and mstami-b + arsenals. Yes, even half of the Balakliya arsenal that burned several times was not cleared by either side.
3. D-1 in the LPR, despite the many photographic materials, in my memory lit up in a single copy. And there were no more pictures. At the same time, the mosquitoes from the photo / video have long disappeared - only kalaki glow.
4. Deliveries of the S-60 are more likely due to the need to dramatically increase the firepower of the former militia units and to strengthen the defense.

In general, I met a similar position for the first time in August and I really want to understand where "legs grow from." Voiced above, not for the sake of holivar, namely, to understand whether this statement is still true or not.

[cold wind]

1. The range of the D-30 is sufficient for most tasks. Ukraine is supplied with 105 mm guns with a shorter range.
2. Syria and Ukraine shot their guns and shells.
In Ukraine, they searched for trunks and shells in all countries of the ATS. Even from Pakistan, 122 mm shells are carried by planes. Now they have as many 155 mm art systems as there were 152 before the war. In terms of artillery, they practically switched to the NATO standard.
We supplied Syria with artillery and shells. This is one of the reasons for the lack of artillery and shells we have now. The server wind worked continuously.
31 years have passed since the end of the USSR. Everything ends with time. The state of the production of shells in the Russian Federation is not clear, I do not know at all about new deliveries of artillery shells to the Russian army.
3. Photos / videos from our demonstrations, here are photo reports our army has learned to make for 22 years at 5+.
4. Absolutely true, artillery hunger creates the need to use ersatz artillery. You need to increase your firepower.

Where is the information from? Yes, in a dream the south wind blew, I probably dreamed.

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

The range of the D-30 is sufficient for most tasks. Ukraine is supplied with 105 mm guns with a shorter range.

105mm has a longer range if they give active-reactive ones. But the pluses of 105 mm are not in range, there are normal 155/52 for counter-battery combat.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote from cold wind

1. The range of the D-30 is sufficient for most tasks. Ukraine is supplied with 105 mm guns with a shorter range.

Yes, it seems that 105ki has more. There are different 105s. Ukram and new and WWII times are supplied.

Quote from cold wind

This is one of the reasons for the lack of artillery and shells we have now. The server wind worked continuously.
31 years have passed since the end of the USSR. Everything ends with time. The state of the production of shells in the Russian Federation is not clear, I do not know at all about new deliveries of artillery shells to the Russian army.

There is definitely production - the same Msta went. Yes, and stocks of trunks should be. The Syrians were supplied with art, judging by the photo / video, by the little things. Vehicles, riflemen and t-62m (which we ourselves need) these definitely walked - they were constantly glowing in the photo / video. And our "new" art rarely shone either by Wagners or advisers. There is also production - another matter in volumes.

Quote from cold wind

For 22 years, our army has learned to make photo reports on 5+.

Toucher.

Quote from cold wind

Absolutely true, artillery hunger creates the need to use ersatz artillery. You need to increase your firepower.

Well, here I see it not so much in the context of a possible shell shortage, but in the need to give at least something to the militia units, cat. already 105% have become ours and Yuli-not Yuli, but it is necessary to supply and fight with them.

Quote from cold wind

Yes, in a dream the south wind blew, I probably dreamed.

Understood. I thought maybe the press or something. Subjective opinion is also a source, but we'll see - if over time they start talking about it more, then it's a fact. IMHO, shell hunger is more likely caused by logistics - at one time there was a lot of information about himaris and advanced warehouses. But wait and see, one figs we have only one option - to win.

[Negro]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Well, here I see it not so much in the context of a possible shell shortage, but in the need to give at least something to the militia units, cat. already 105% have become ours and Yuli-not Yuli, but it is necessary to supply and fight with them.

The logic of people who give paramilitaries "at least something" and do not transfer to the army staff and unified supply is not very clear. If the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation cannot provide normal supplies to the units that are already at the front, what kind of mobilization have they started there, clowns?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Negro

The logic of people who give paramilitaries "at least something" and do not transfer to the army staff and unified supply is not very clear.

And these are the costs of the last 6 years, when the NM was considered as a "temporary army", the main task of which was to wait if something happened invincible and legendary. At the same Murza, there were statements by advisers from the RF Armed Forces like "well, why are you fussing here, your job is to hold the Minsk lines, and others will fight for you."
This is how NM was built. And then it turned out that there weren’t enough others for everything, and they didn’t fight any better - so NM would have to fight on her own.
But the attitude towards the NM as second-rate troops remained - on you god that we are worthless ©.

[Negro]

Quote: Alexey RA

But the attitude to the NM as to second-rate troops remained - on you, God, what is worthless to us ©.

It's like Russian troops since October 4th. Was it a surprise for someone?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Negro

It's like Russian troops since October 4th. Was it a surprise for someone?

And yak is like winter after autumn.
It's like the Lithuanian 29th sk: formally, it is a regular part of the Red Army, but in fact it is armed and equipped with what is left of the Lithuanian army.

[Negro]

The royal navy has its own traditions, the indestructible and legendary has its own.

[Barberry25]

the main thing here is to give at least something, because if you close the front line, then it will be much easier to fight later and, if necessary, the quality can be improved by replacing it with more modern models during the rotation

[aars]

The state of the production of shells in the Russian Federation is not clear

The production of 122 mm shells was discontinued in 1993 due to the transition to a single caliber 152

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote from cold wind

We supplied Syria with artillery and shells. This is one of the reasons for the lack of artillery and shells we have now.

And this too. Only you forgot to take into account those weapons and shells that have been sold for the past 30 years. Who sold and what sold - I do not have this information. They shot. The wind blew. The fact that Ukraine has been doing this all the past years after the USSR, there is much more information in the public domain. It is very likely that what was bought in post-Soviet Russia is being transported to Ukraine today.
Second moment. It was easy to shoot the shells made by the "stupid socialist scoop". Today is the time of "smart capitalism", and shells cost as much as they cost. Metallurgists sell metal at market prices. GOKs sell ore to them at market prices. Owners of shares in manufacturers of products also need villas and yachts. And also bribes, theft ... Shells are expensive today. And the war in Ukraine has already shown that today not only drones are required, but also guided missiles with projectiles. Because guided missiles and missiles require an order of magnitude less (and sometimes two) to hit a target. And controlled means electronics. And everything related to electronics is subject to sanctions throughout the entire post-Soviet period. And the authorities in Russia all this time preferred to buy at exorbitant prices through intermediaries, rather than organize their own production. So it turned out what happened.
But D. Rogozin reveled in full. Face worked up a rich one. Yes, and then it was not by chance that Borisov was removed from curatorship. Everything is now run by the economist Manturov. At least this one knows how to count, and does not show off. But it is unlikely that he will succeed. The system, however.

[insafufa]

Well, we had 1000 acacias for storage and the same amount of D-20

[Alexey RA]

Quote: insafufa

Try the difference is called

You can tell by the shield.
In the D-20, the upper edge of the shield and the shield above the gun are wavy. D-1 has straight lines.
In the photo, it is the D-1 that is being towed.

[SincerityX]

No, the shield is not an indicator at all. The most important indicator is if you look at the breech - the design. But you can't see it from the front.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from SincerityX

The most important indicator is if you look at the breech - the design. But you can't see it from the front.

In front, D-1 and D-20 can also be easily recognized.
At D-1, recoil devices are located below and above the barrel.
The D-20 has two cylinders on top of the barrel, there is nothing below - only a support plate in the transport position.

[SincerityX]

Thanks for the info, I'll take a look

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[Emergency]

What's wrong with that? The S-60 battery at one time still guarded the Kunduz airfield. Against lightly armored vehicles, he probably works like a Stakhanovite. Not too high accuracy of fire is fully compensated by its density. Since there is in the storerooms, what not to use? All the more such a case. Old iron vs old iron. And the ancestors bungled the capital tool. Gymnasium students, realists and "graduates" of the TsPSh were able to make solid things out of iron. True, with optics and control and firing systems lagged behind for some reason.

[Viktor Sergeev]

A weapon capable of destroying the enemy does not become obsolete. By the way, a three-inch WW1 era would be super now, a death scythe with only shrapnel, but alas, the shrapnel was removed, but in vain.

[stankow]

Buckshots were removed, there are shells with GPE for 122 mm.

[Dimax-nemo]

The S-60 is still a bit "younger" than the T-34-85. But not much. It is strange that the ZSU-57-2 was thrown out. And these are left.
Yes, D-1 is simply "masterpiece" :-/ Under certain conditions, they are able to "work" there. But those conditions don't exist.

[Barberry25]

1) not the fact that they threw it away, there are a lot of equipment in warehouses
2) it’s more like a situation that they saw the S-60 in the warehouses and took it for themselves, i.e. we are talking about piece samples and the personal initiative of commanders in the field

[Barberry25]

Well, what can I say ... these are certainly not more modern models, but given that the density of artillery is now important, the D-1 will go into action, since it will be able to provide support for its 10 km, and the advancing infantry or trucks it doesn’t matter what 50 kg shells are fired at them from.

[Sith]

Weapons either work... or they don't... you can kill bipeds with a pencil or with your bare hand...
And since it is available and workable ... then "Why not ?!"

[Jura 27]

A couple more months of such an SVO and they will begin to praise the good old ZIS-3.
Photos of the towed version of the S-60 in the database area (as from a museum) are already on the network.

[PCF]

Without a good video, the article is incomplete, it's better to see it once ...

[alex-cn]

Here! I wanted to remind you about the ZSU 57-2... A decent rate of fire, some kind of armor, plus the ability to use modern shells... against a column of carts or armored personnel carriers, it's worse than large-caliber artillery. And they can quickly escape so as not to fall under the return distribution ... The Syrians use them with might and main and are happy, sort of.

[opposite28]

From one roar, it can weaken.

[Sergio_7]

The weapon is ancient, but if it is in demand, then let it fight! New - well-forgotten old!

[komvap]

57mm high ballistics rocks!
Where is the video mentioned in the article?

[Foul skeptic]

57mm high ballistics rocks!

Weapons of destruction, working in conjunction with modern communications, reconnaissance and target designation, "rule".

[Konnick]

In the fight against small UAVs, it is quite relevant due to the presence of a canister projectile.

1. - armor-piercing with a ballistic tip
2. - also, without a tip
3. - high-explosive fragmentation
4. - buckshot

[Foul skeptic]

In the fight against small UAVs, it is quite relevant due to the presence of a canister projectile.

And it's called, judging by your picture, - canister M2 for American 37-graph paper
Oh, these "VO specialists"

[cold wind]

Also neighed. “Mom said: learn English”
Full poster, this is an American gun: 37 mm gun M3.
Naturally, we do not have and never had a shrapnel projectile for the S-60.

[Konnick]

Oh, these "VO specialists"

And the drawing for clarity, I did not write that these are exactly 57mm S-60 shells.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Konnick

And the drawing for clarity, I did not write that these are exactly 57mm S-60 shells.

But what’s the point in such clarity, if the S-60 has only 2 types of shells - a fragmentation tracer (with a contact fuse) and an armor-piercing tracer chamber?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

But is there really any serious problem in fitting the UShch-271 canister container from the 57 mm ZiS-2 anti-tank gun into the S-60 cartridge case?

Of
https://topwar.ru/125314-rasskazy-ob-oruzhii-57-mm-protivotankovaya-pushka-zis-2.html

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

But is there really any serious problem in fitting the UShch-271 canister container from the 57 mm ZiS-2 anti-tank gun into the S-60 cartridge case?

Since the end of 1944, Shch-271 buckshot was used for self-defense of the gun from enemy infantry. Buckshot consists of 324 pcs. round bullets weighing 10,8 g each, placed in a cardboard container. When fired, the shell of the container unfolds in the bore and the bullets fly out of it with an angle of expansion of 10-18 °. The size of the zone of effective destruction is up to 40 m along the front, up to 200 m in depth

And who needs an anti-aircraft gun with a range of up to 200 m?
If we want to work on small UAVs, we need a normal fragmentation projectile with an adjustable detonation range + OUT on the gun itself. Moreover, the range of detonation should be up to the maximum, because you can’t stock up on a cannon for each platoon, so you will have to cover an area with a radius of 4-5 kilometers.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Will anyone be against shells with remote detonation? Everyone will be only "For"!
Even for the promising self-propelled 82-mm mortar "Drok" it is possible to make a mine with remote detonation for low-speed and small drones.
And in addition to the existing anti-aircraft installation, it’s nice to have buckshot for enemy drones nearby.

[Vlad2012]

One and the main one is the presence of a muzzle brake on the gun. ZIS -3 has already fired buckshot. (installation of shrapnel on buckshot)

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I agree I was wrong, you are a plus. Then you need at least a projectile with an explosion in 50-100 m.

[Vlad2012]

Nobody needs it. With the advent of machine guns and machine guns. And the very idea of ​​​​shooting infantry with anti-aircraft HE shells is bad, because of the specifics of crushing these shells into fragments. There they are much larger, but there are fewer of them.

[stankow]

Number 3 - purely high-explosive, with a bottom fuse.

[Konnick]

As a good means to deal with all the lightly armored combat vehicles available to the enemy

And not only lightly armored, it will pierce the tank hull in the side projection, and leave it without tracks in the frontal projection and blind it, demolishing everything on top of the armor. The rate of fire rules.

[SincerityX]

Well, yes, if he flies between the rinks, he can punish him. But for the demolition of superstructures there are land mines, without a land mine you get bored with demolition.

[Mikhail m]

Everything that can destroy the enemy has the right to life. Skillful hands and old weapons can say a fairly weighty word. It is only important to correctly determine the place and time.

[Nikolaevich I]

By the way, I once watched a video of how the ZSU-57-2 anti-aircraft self-propelled gun (DPR) "works" ...

[Armen Sologyan]

What is interesting to me is that in Ukraine, after the collapse of the USSR, gradually picked up the pace to scold the Soviet past and talk about the occupation by the Russians, besides, to remove Soviet monuments, including monuments to Lenin. And by the way, thanks to Lenin and Stalin, the Ukrainian SSR not only arose, but grew with new territories. And since Lenin was removed and the Soviet past is being scolded, then everything that was given by Lenin and Stalin must be taken away. So far, they have taken back the Crimea, which was donated by Khrushchev to the Ukrainian SSR and taken from the RSFSR. Recently they recognized the independence of the LPR and the DPR, which immediately asked to join the Russian Federation. And everything should be noticed under Vladimir Putin as a real Citizen of Russia, and not sycophants of the West like Gorbachev and Yeltsin with "comrades". Our President Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich is doing everything right and we need to take an example from Putin, that is, to be Real Citizens of Russia, and do not care about the West from the big bell tower!!!!

[Deep Diver]

Two months ago, when the news about the “Rapier” was released at the motorcycle league, everyone was laughing at the Ukrainians in unison, but now it turns out that everything is normal, dumbbells rule

[katarsafebox.com]

M2, if anything, Browning himself did, and they are still in service ... So let's not talk about antiquity.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

M2, if anything, Browning himself did, and they are still in service ...

Nope. John Mozesovich made the KKP M1921 water-cooled. Which, after his death, was thoroughly modified, and by 1933 turned into a water-cooled M2, and in 1934 into the air-cooled M2HB familiar to us.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Firearms from the Second World War are almost outdated. The principle of operation is the same as that of the samples released in recent decades. The difference is in the quality of materials, some structural differences and a number of characteristics. Globally, nothing has changed.
And so, you can at least shoot from a Gatling shotgun (1862) if you have cartridges in good condition. And she will do the same as some kind of Kalashnikov machine gun
In fact, all firearms and guns in the countries of the world are an outdated type of weapon.
I think it would be incorrect to call this weapon obsolete. It will become obsolete when in the future there will be no powder shells / bullets that will fly at speeds of 3-5 km / s. Then yes, I would also neigh what kind of antiquity grandfather is, from which museum

[SincerityX]

It will become obsolete when in the future there will be no powder shells / bullets that will fly at speeds of 3-5 km / s.

Are you talking about railguns? so they are already there. And personal lasers seemed to flicker somewhere. Only the price of one item per half fighter.

[Mint Gingerbread]

No, I'm not talking about railguns, but about new types of substances, instead of outdated gunpowder.

[SincerityX]

Yes, there have been fast-burning substances for a long time, incl. plastic. There, the problem is not to create a lot of pressure, or to create it quickly. The problem there is that this pressure and momentum cannot withstand the barrel, breech, mechanisms. We need materials of a completely different order.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

At the beginning of the Second World War in the USSR, the tools of the 1st World War were used, since ammunition was available for them. Here they laughed at the Ukrainians when they showed the Maxim machine gun on TV, but what is better for themselves?

[composite]

What's there to laugh at. Weapons of colonial wars in modern times.
Film shoot old-school for Kadyrov.

[Dimax-nemo]

The guns of the 1st MV fired the same ammunition as the new ones. More precisely, the new ones were supposed to shoot, incl. old ammunition. In general, they were completely officially in service and relied on the state. But from the end of WWI to the beginning of the Second World War, less than 25 years passed, and not 70 with reckless. By 1941, the "systems" of 1877 had not yet been cut into needles, but they were no longer considered seriously.

[old_pferd]

There is always a bit of confusion here. S-60 is a complex - an AZP-57 battery + RPK-1 (or SON with POISO) + auxiliary equipment.

[wlkw]

Soon three-inchers will go into action ....
But in any case, the situation shows that weapons should be stored, not destroyed. it would be something to shoot.

[stankow]

Once it appears, it means it was well kept;)

[-Paul-]

Maybe it makes sense to remove the ZSU-57-2 from conservation and let it go to the troops, instead of these homemade products ?!

[faiver]

I doubt that they are on conservation - they sold out, not so many of them were released at the time .....

[Negro]

I have one question for the author.

Just a couple of days ago, we read about obsolete and useless moles with modifications from the 10s. Now we learn, not without surprise, that the AZP-57, in principle, is even nothing, let it be.

Regardless of the motives of the author, maybe somehow less fire?

[faiver]

Zilok 133rd under the S-60 will not crumble? although the chassis can be quickly changed as it staggers ....

[ASM]

Well, where to go if the rockets fly at speed stupidly past slow-moving geraniums?

[zyablik.olga]

Quote from A.S.M.

Well, where to go if the rockets fly at speed stupidly past slow-moving geraniums?

The rockets are equipped with proximity fuses and in most cases they do not fly past. Another thing is that an anti-aircraft missile costs significantly more than a kamikaze drone.

[squid]

hosspadi, but when will ours come up with an infantry fighting vehicle with a 57mm cannon based on a tank!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: squid

hosspadi, but when will ours come up with an infantry fighting vehicle with a 57mm cannon based on a tank!

This is called the T-15 with the Baikal module. The module is armed with a 57-mm 2A91 cannon, the development of which began back in the 60s of the last century - as a lightweight naval gun for small ships under S-60 rounds. The gun did not go into series, losing to the more powerful AK-176 - and for 45 years the Burevestnik has been running around with it, constantly upgrading and trying to shove it at least somewhere.

[Dimax-nemo]

Yes, this Petrel has already pulled up with his A220, it’s strange that they haven’t shoved it into Aurus yet

[SincerityX]

Really strange. After all, if you push it in, then the return from a couple of salvos is enough to set the first space one.

[Dimax-nemo]

No, one who is born to crawl cannot fly...

[SincerityX]

I disagree, depending on how to kick. As they say, even a brick can be made to fly, the only question is the added power.

[Dimax-nemo]

He is this .... low-low - to the rain!

[rocket757]

The ancient automatic gun S-60 successfully fights in Ukraine

There are working tools, there is ammunition ... why not use it, where you need it, you can ...
This conflict absorbs a lot of weapons, from all sides!!!
To replenish the arsenals, then it will take a long time, EVERYONE!

[Vladimir Michailovich]

Quote: rocket757

There are working tools, there is ammunition ... why not use it where you need it, you can ..

I furiously plus, so we will win ... here's another artillery system can be removed from storage - Zelensky will eat his sideways ...

[Center]

[Dimax-nemo]

Um. Have you tried motorcycle racing? It would be more logical. If there are, of course.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

Um. Have you tried motorcycle racing?

They tried it in Armenia.

What they just didn’t try to put on a motorcycle league ...

[Dimax-nemo]

Yeah She's really asking... but now we have them along the way behind the armored personnel carrier and almost the infantry fighting vehicle.

[seacap]

It’s not worth inventing a bicycle here, we already beat the ZSU-57-2, the marine version of them met back in the 80s (at the BDK, anyway, before cutting)

[Rage66]

Editor, the tool is ancient ...
Tools are ancient ...
It's a shame

[ZIF122]

Damn, after all, he served in 1985-1987 in Amurka in the anti-aircraft artillery regiment in the control battery! So in our batteries they were s-60!

[acetophenone]

Chassis issue. If the tank on which this ZSU is based is completely withdrawn from service, it will not be possible to supply, repair and service the troops. Therefore, unfortunately, only "gantraks". And to fight drones, you need a special projectile and a guidance system. Native is unlikely to be effective. And then for object defense - that's it.

[Skif]

Battery c60 of 6 guns with the help of the PKK fires at one target. When using the OFS, the UAV does not have many chances.

[Vlad2012]

I have never seen an S-60 from the militia. And there was nowhere to take them. They began to bring militia brigades in the fall of 2014. And there was no S-60 there. And why the hell are they needed, it is not clear. At one time, they tried to leave the 76-mm caliber precisely because of the weakness of the projectile. In addition, this is a cannon, it is good to shoot at vertical targets from it. A man in a trench, the target is horizontal, you need a howitzer or a mortar. Probably, they also forgot how to cast 82-mm mines from cast iron.
105 and 57 mm are very different shells in terms of power.

[Skif]

They also have different tasks. That's just the level of intelligence of the moderator does not allow you to create comments of the size they need.

[Alexander_Dneprovsky]

With proper modernization of the S-60 and shells for it, it can significantly affect the course of the SVO.
By the way, there is a way to shoot down UAVs from the S-60, this way is "crutch" but relatively simple.

[Skif]

Well, just the same and ancient! 57mm anti-aircraft artillery system c60 is a great toy! My first love. Hits killer and accurately at ranges up to 5 km. And a burst of 3-4 shells is deadly for any armored vehicle.

[seacap]

By the way, specialists in the S-60, as well as in all anti-aircraft "barrels", were trained by Poltava, the Academy of Air Defense Forces in Kyiv, at one time, was "successfully" donated from the master's shoulder. Westerners have long been "trying on" how to switch from 30 mm to 57, as the most effective caliber in modern realities. The gun is simple, very reliable, and most importantly, the projectile has great power at a very high speed.

[SergioPetrov]

I honestly don't understand why people don't like dumbbells? Make them a normal sighting system, so that at least some kind of automation, a couple of checkers from pturs hide behind and let them knock out enemy armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles. A sort of heavy machine gun from artillery. You don't need to shove a lot of them, but adding one or two carts to the BMP3 group and tanks would be nice. If you make an automatic loader, then it’s generally normal. The same bmpt, only light and without missiles.