Modern mobile short-range air defense systems for Ukraine

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Modern mobile short-range air defense systems for Ukraine

The intensification of armed confrontation on the territory of Ukraine leads to a “natural loss” of anti-aircraft systems at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and already now, to compensate for losses, Kyiv is receiving modern short-range and medium-range air defense systems, and in the future we can talk about providing Western countries with long-range anti-aircraft systems.

From the first days of the NMD in Ukraine, portable anti-aircraft systems have been actively used. In capable hands it weapon can be very effective against combat aircraft and helicopters operating at low altitudes. However, the effectiveness of the use of MANPADS in a real combat situation is determined by the moral and psychological state of the shooter-operator, the degree of his training, the ability to adequately choose the optimal launch moment and assess the presence of factors that prevent effective target engagement.



The downside of the compactness of MANPADS, the possibility of carrying and using by one person is that the shooter-operator is not able to carry out combat duty with a launch tube on his shoulder for a long time, in addition, due to objective factors, it is very often difficult to assess the distance to the target and time spent in the affected area.

In this regard, mobile short-range air defense systems, which use anti-aircraft missiles MANPADS, have become widespread. These complexes, located on a wheeled or tracked base, are highly mobile; they are equipped with radar or laser rangefinders to accurately assess the distance to the target and the affected area. The presence of modern means of communication and information display allows you to receive external notification and target designation in a timely manner.

In addition, the operator of a short-range mobile air defense system has much more comfortable conditions for long-term duty, sitting in a comfortable chair, he is less tired and protected from the effects of adverse meteorological factors.

Mobile air defense systems using FIM-92 Stinger missiles


A lot of modern Western self-propelled short-range air defense systems are based on portable or wearable-portable systems, originally designed for use in infantry units.

Currently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively using the American FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS supplied by NATO countries, and in the near future we should expect the delivery of self-propelled air defense systems to Ukraine that use such missiles.

First of all, we can talk about the American M1097 Avenger on the chassis of the HMMWV off-road vehicle. Since 1990, more than 1 complexes of this type have been built; about 100 Avenger air defense systems are in service with the ground forces and the USMC. The Avenger complex was developed by the American companies Boeing Aerospace Company and General Electric in the late 700s to replace the outdated MIM-1980A Chaparral air defense system.


M1097 Avenger SAM

The Avenzher air defense system is capable of hitting air targets on a collision course and in pursuit at altitudes of 0,5–3,8 km and ranges of 0,5–5,5 km. The mass of the vehicle in combat position reaches 4,3 tons. The maximum speed on the highway is 105 km / h. Power reserve - up to 560 km. Crew - 2 people.


The Avenger complex differs from the Chaparrel air defense system in its smaller size and weight, high level of automation, low reaction time, good fire performance and mobility, and the ability to operate both in the daytime and at night in difficult weather conditions.

The main component of the complex is a gyro-stabilized platform, on which TPKs with Stinger missiles (2 packs of 4 each), optical and thermal imaging means for detecting and tracking targets, a laser range finder, a friend or foe identification device, control systems, information display and communications.

In the center of the platform there is an operator's cabin with a transparent screen onto which the aiming point marker is projected. The operator accompanies the target visually using an optical sight, or using a thermal imager in bad weather and at night. The system is capable of automatically tracking the target, determining the distance to the target, and firing on the move at speeds up to 35 km/h.

The armament also includes a remote-controlled 12,7 mm M3P machine gun manufactured by the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale Herstal with a rate of fire of 1 rounds per minute and a box capacity of 100 rounds. The machine gun is mounted on the right side of the platform under the missile container.

About 10 years ago, many American "Avengers" were modernized and received enhanced capabilities in terms of information exchange with other air defense systems and external target designation from various sources.

Another self-propelled air defense system that uses FIM-92 Stinger missiles is the German LeFlaSys (abbreviated German Leichte Flugabwehr System - light air defense system), also known as Ozelot.


SAM Ozelot

The Ocelot air defense system was developed by the German companies STN ATLAS Elektronik GmbH and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann in the late 1990s and adopted by the Bundeswehr in 2001. The main elements of the complex are placed on a lightly armored tracked chassis Wiesel-2, developed by Rheinmetall Landsysteme. The carrier is protected by steel armor 8 mm thick.


The mass of the tracked combat vehicle is 4 tons. Turbodiesel with a capacity of 110 liters. With. capable of accelerating the installation to 70 km / h. Power reserve - up to 500 km. Crew - 3 people. The complex is air transportable and can be delivered to the combat area by heavy transport helicopters.

On the turntable there are two transport-launch containers with two Stinger missiles in each. Four more spare missiles will be placed inside the hull. In addition to TPK with missiles, elements of an aiming and search system are mounted on the platform: a television camera, a thermal imager and a laser rangefinder. The complex is equipped with an automatic north orientation system, GPS satellite positioning equipment and radio communications. The remote control and indication unit can be taken out for remote control at a distance of up to 100 m from the launcher.

Various radars can be used to issue external target designation, but usually a HARD mobile command post on the Wiesel-2 chassis, equipped with a three-coordinate centimeter-frequency range radar, is used to guide the actions of an anti-aircraft platoon.


This station is capable of detecting low-altitude air targets at a distance of more than 20 km and simultaneously tracking 20 objects. The calculation of the HARD control point can provide up to eight combat vehicles with LeFlaSys air defense systems located at a distance of up to 20 km with radar information. Data is transmitted by telecode over VHF radio links.

Upon receipt of target designation from the platoon command post, the ADMC platform automatically turns in the direction of the target in terms of angle and azimuth, and it is displayed on the operator's indicator. After that, the target is captured, and further tracking is carried out automatically. Next, the range and speed of the target are measured, after processing the information, the target is fired with missiles.

The German army received 50 Ozelot air defense vehicles and 10 platoon command posts. In April, discussions were held in the German government about the possibility of transferring Ozelot air defense systems and Gepard ZSU to Kyiv. Deliveries of the Cheetahs have already begun, but the final decision on the Ocelots has not yet been made.

For Greece, a version of the air defense system was developed, which received the designation ASRAD (Eng. Atlas Short Range Air Defense System - Atlas short-range air defense system), on the HMMWV wheeled chassis.


SAM ASRAD

The Ozelot and ASRAD complexes differ only in the base chassis and are identical in their combat characteristics. According to reference data, the Greek armed forces have 54 ASRAD air defense systems.

SAM Poprad


Currently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively using Polish-made portable complexes Grom and Piorun. The Grom MANPADS was created in the 1990s with active Russian support on the basis of the Igla MANPADS, and Piorun is a further development of the Grom portable complex. In 2018, the Polish Army received the first Poprad mobile short-range air defense systems, developed by PIT-RADWAR, to replace the Soviet Strela-10.

A wheeled two-axle vehicle on an AMZ Żubr-P chassis weighs about 12 tons. Engine power is 275 hp. With. Highway speed - up to 100 km / h. Power reserve - up to 600 km. Steel armor provides protection against 12,7 mm bullets fired from a distance of 300 m and shrapnel. The crew of the car - 2 people: the commander-operator and the driver. Four spare missiles are carried inside the armored hull.


Launch of the Piorun SAM from the combat vehicle of the Poprad complex

It is possible to hit targets at ranges from 400 m to 6,5 km and at altitudes from 10 m to 4 km. The average speed of the rocket on the trajectory is 560 m/s.

On the roof of the combat vehicle of the Poprad complex, a module with four Piorun anti-aircraft missile launch containers is installed. To search, capture and track air targets, a passive optoelectronic complex is used, combined with a computerized fire control system and a GPS navigation system. Aiming and search equipment includes a high-resolution television camera capable of operating in low light conditions, a thermal imager and a laser rangefinder. Also on the machine there is a "friend or foe" interrogator. After capturing, taking on escort, measuring the range and heading parameters of the target, shelling can be carried out automatically.


Mobile command post ZDPSR Soła

For the timely detection of air targets and the management of the actions of a battery of 4-6 combat vehicles, a mobile command post ZDPSR Soła is designed, equipped with a radar with a detection range of up to 40 km. An Israeli-made IAI ELM-2106NG mobile radar with a low-altitude target detection range of up to 60 km can also be attached.

As of 2021, Poland had 77 Poprad complexes. In the summer of 2022, an order for an additional batch of mobile air defense systems was announced. It is also known that the command of the Polish Defense Ministry is considering the supply of Poprad combat vehicles and radar reconnaissance equipment to Ukraine.

Mobile air defense systems using RBS 70 missiles


The Finnish army is armed with the ASRAD-R air defense system, the contract for the supply of which was concluded in 2005. This complex was created by Saab Bofors and Rheinmetall on the basis of the "portable" RBS-70 MANPADS with laser guidance. Thanks to its modular design, the ASRAD-R with advanced Bolide missiles can be installed on almost any wheeled or tracked carrier with a suitable payload. In fact, the ASRAD-R air defense system is a hybrid that uses the optoelectronic equipment of the ASRAD air defense system, combined with a search radar and a Bolide missile guidance system.

The advantages of missiles using the “laser trail” guidance principle include their insensitivity to widely used countermeasures for MANPADS with IR seeker - heat traps, optoelectronic jamming stations. The disadvantages are the need to track the target with a laser beam along the entire flight path of the rocket and the sensitivity of the laser guidance system to the state of the atmosphere and interference in the form of a smoke or aerosol screen.

In Finland, the complex received the designation Ito 05 and is mounted on the chassis of Sisu Nasus and Mercedes-Benz Unimog 5000. In total, the anti-aircraft battery has 4 combat vehicles. The Finnish army has 60 ASRAD-R complexes.


SAM ASRAD-R

Each machine is an independent combat unit and is capable of fighting an air enemy at a distance of up to 8 meters and an altitude of 000 meters. To detect air targets, the PS-5 radar is used, which controls the airspace within a radius of 000 km. The Bolide missile, guided along the “laser path”, is equipped with a cumulative fragmentation warhead with armor penetration up to 91 mm and, in addition to airborne ones, can be used to fire at ground and surface targets. If the air target avoided a direct hit, it is struck by ready-made lethal elements - tungsten balls.

The Czech army operates 16 self-propelled anti-aircraft installations VLM (Eng. Vehicle-Launched Missile - a missile launched from a vehicle).


This budget self-propelled unit was created by placing two RBS-70s on the chassis of a heavy off-road truck Tatra T815. At the same time, the calculation on the cargo platform is located openly and is not protected in any way from bullets, fragments and the effects of adverse meteorological factors.

SAM Stormer HVM


In August of this year, it became known that the UK handed over to Ukraine six Stormer HVM (Alvis Stormer) self-propelled near-field air defense systems. Some of the vehicles were sent to the conflict zone and were successfully used for their intended purpose.

The mass of the combat vehicle reaches 12,7 tons. The diesel engine with a capacity of 250 liters. With. provides speed up to 80 km/h. Power reserve - 600 km. Crew - 3 people. In 2021, there were more than 140 Stormer HVM air defense systems in the combat units of the British Army.


SAM Stormer HVM

This short-range anti-aircraft system, adopted 20 years ago, is installed on the FV4333 Stormer armored tracked chassis. The complex was created by analogy with the American M1097 Avenger air defense system based on MANPADS. But, unlike the FIM-92 Stinger, the Starstreak anti-aircraft missile uses laser beam guidance (command semi-active laser beam guidance - "saddle beam" or "laser trail").

On the roof of the Stormer HVM there is an anti-aircraft weapon station with two oscillating blocks of four missile transport and launch containers. In addition to the eight missiles ready for use, there are twelve more spares in the combat pack.


The passive infrared system for searching and tracking air targets ADAD, manufactured by Thales Optronics, in simple weather conditions, detects a fighter-type target at a distance of 15 km, and a combat helicopter type - about 8 km. The reaction time from the moment the target is detected is less than 5 s.

The complex uses high-speed Starstreak missiles, which can be used against air and ground lightly armored targets. The firing range is up to 7 m, the height of destruction is up to 000 m. Each missile has three warheads made of tungsten alloy in the form of a dart. The first and second stages accelerate the rocket to a speed of Mach 5, after which three arrow-shaped submunitions are separated, which continue to fly by inertia.

After separation, each of them acts independently and is aimed at the target individually, which increases the probability of defeat. After hitting the target and breaking through the hull of an aircraft or helicopter, with some delay, a proximity fuse is activated, which activates the warhead. Thus, the hit target is inflicted the maximum possible damage.

South Korean air defense system Chiron


At the end of September, it became known that Ukraine would receive $2,9 billion in military assistance from the Republic of Korea. We are talking about the supply of artillery ammunition and Chiron air defense systems (the Korean name is Shingung).

The Shingung complex has much in common with the Russian Igla-1 complex and the French Mistral. The developers of the South Korean anti-aircraft system borrowed the best design solutions used in foreign complexes. As in the Russian Igle-1, South Korean-made missiles use a spherical two-color (IR / UV) argon-cooled homing head, in many ways reminiscent of the 9E410 GOS developed by LOMO JSC. But the Shingung missile differs from the Russian 9M342 SAM by its slightly larger dimensions and launch weight. The South Korean missile is 80 mm in diameter, 1 mm long, and has a launch weight of 680 kg. The weight of the equipped TPK is 14 kg.


Although Shingung managed to be made lighter than the French Mistral, carrying the Korean SAM by crew forces is also extremely difficult. In this regard, almost all Shingung air defense systems available in the South Korean army are placed on off-road vehicle chassis, the use of twin and quad launchers is envisaged.

The Shingung air defense system was introduced into the modernized K30 Hybrid Biho self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery mount.


ZSU K30 Hybrid Biho

Each ZSU received two containers, which are equipped with two missiles, which significantly increased the probability of hitting a target and expanded the firing zone.

South Korean SAM Cheonma


In the near future, in addition to the Shingung air defense system, Cheonma short-range self-propelled systems may be transferred to Ukraine. This air defense system was created by Samsung Electronics and Thomson-CSF based on the French Crotale-NG.


SAM Cheonma

The principle of combat use and the architecture of the South Korean complex are similar to the Crotale-NG air defense system, but it uses an original anti-aircraft missile designed by specialists from the South Korean company LIG Nex1.

All elements of the air defense system, known as the K-SAM Cheonma or Pegasus, are placed on the reinforced chassis of the K200A1 tracked armored personnel carrier. The combat weight of the vehicle is 26 tons. The maximum speed is up to 60 km.


The self-propelled unit has eight ready-to-use solid-propellant missiles in the TPK. The warhead of the missile is high-explosive fragmentation, directional, equipped with contact and non-contact laser fuses and provides a high probability of hitting air targets. Targeting - radio command. Starting weight - 75 kg, length - 2 mm, diameter - 290 mm. The mass of the warhead is 160 kg. The maximum rocket speed is up to 12 m/s. Firing range - 800–0,5 km. Height - 9–0,02 km. A crew of three reloads ammunition in 6 minutes.

Above the containers with missiles rises the antenna of the E / F-band pulse-Doppler surveillance radar with a target detection range of up to 20 km. This station can detect and track up to 8 targets simultaneously. Also, the complex is equipped with a pulse-Doppler radar, which is designed to accompany hovering helicopters and other purposes.

The complex is able to operate day and night, in difficult weather conditions. In terms of its combat capabilities, the Cheonma complex is close to the Soviet Osa-AKM air defense system, but the South Korean combat vehicle is protected by bulletproof armor and cannot swim. The delivery of the first Cheonma complexes to the troops took place in 2000. Until 2012, the South Korean army received 114 combat vehicles.

SAM VAMPIRE


About a month ago, it became known about the intention of the United States to transfer short-range mobile air defense systems VAMPIRE (Vehicle-Agnostic Modular Palletized ISR Rocket Equipment - a vehicle equipped with modular equipment and palletized missiles) to Ukraine.


VAMPIRE short-range air defense system in firing position

Attention is drawn to the fact that the VAMPIRE complex, created by L3Harris, is very budgetary, assembled from relatively inexpensive, simple and well-mastered components. The main elements of the VAMPIRE air defense system are mounted on a standard transport pallet, and it is possible to install it on any carrier of suitable carrying capacity with connection to the vehicle's power grid. L3Harris' promotional material states that the installation of the VAMPIRE complex takes only two hours and is performed by two mechanics.

A telescopic mast with the head of the WESCAM MX-10 optoelectronic station and a missile launcher are mounted on a lightweight steel frame. Management is carried out remotely from a remote control. The OLS balloon contains a high-resolution television camera, a thermal imager and a laser rangefinder-target designator.


Package for four 70mm rockets AGR-20 APKWS (based on aviation HAR Hydra 70) is mounted on a swivel base. The original warhead and engine have been retained from the original rocket. UR AGR-20 APKWS is equipped with a control unit with a semi-active laser homing head and control drives.


The accuracy of hitting at a distance of 5 km is 0,5 m. It is stated that it is possible to fire at air and ground targets, which expands the combat capabilities of the complex. The mass of the rocket is about 15 kg. Length - 1,87 m. Maximum speed - 990 m / s.

Experts note that VAMPIRE air defense systems can pose a danger to combat helicopters and drones. However, the defeat of fast-moving jet combat aircraft will be unlikely.

Possible impact of Western mobile short-range air defense systems on the course of hostilities and methods of countering them


Very often, anti-aircraft missile systems, especially those placed on armored chassis, are called "battlefield" air defense systems. This, of course, is not the case; such air defense systems are not capable of operating directly on the line of contact, and by and large this is not required.

The destruction of individual and group enemy targets on the battlefield, even with high-precision aircraft weapons, is difficult and is carried out in exceptional cases due to the high risk of causing damage to friendly troops. As a rule, front-line and army aviation strikes at close rear areas, destroying enemy personnel and equipment, and also providing isolation of the battlefield. To cover crossings, field depots, command posts, artillery positions, troops on the march and in places of concentration, military air defense mobile air defense systems are needed.

The presence of a significant number of such systems in the possession of the enemy can have a significant negative impact on the course of hostilities, greatly complicate the use of front-line and army aviation and inflict painful losses.

Already, our front-line bombers and attack aircraft, in order to avoid losses, mainly strike at targets located at a small distance from the front line. At the same time, observers note that MANPADS are launched against Russian Su-25s practically during every sortie. When there are many such launches, even taking into account the massive use of countermeasures, it can be difficult to evade missiles.

The situation is no better with the use of combat helicopters. If at the beginning of the campaign the Russian attack Mi-24, Mi-35, Mi-28 and Ka-52 destroyed targets in the depths of the Ukrainian defense, now they are trying to use guided missiles while above the combat formations of our troops, or launch unguided rockets from cabling. It should be understood that firing NAR from a pitch-up is ineffective and is a purely forced measure.

Western anti-aircraft systems supplied to Ukraine, which use different methods of detecting air targets and different principles for aiming anti-aircraft missiles at them, can further complicate the actions of Russian aviation, making flights of our aircraft even over the front line deadly.

The response to the saturation of enemy combat formations with mobile air defense systems may be a more active use of guided weapons and modern reconnaissance means. First of all, we are talking about new missiles, the firing range of which exceeds the launch range of anti-aircraft missiles with TGS.

Against anti-aircraft systems, which include radar facilities, PRR with passive radar guidance and air-to-ground missiles with television guidance can be effective. All our aircraft and helicopters must be equipped with laser irradiation receivers, which will make it possible to timely disrupt the attack with Bolide and Starstreak missiles, against which the means of jamming missiles with IR seeker are powerless. Each pair or flight of attack aircraft, front-line bombers and multipurpose fighters must have at least one aircraft equipped with electronic intelligence equipment and a modern electronic jamming station.

Drones are a very promising means of combating mobile air defense systems in the frontline. It can be "drones-kamikaze "or scouts giving target designation to barrel and rocket artillery. A secure, high-speed system for exchanging information between users of different levels should also be provided.

However, sadly, it will not be possible to quickly implement all the proposed measures. Apparently, Russian aviation lacks modern guided weapons. Only this can explain the fact that a significant number of mobile standby radars still operate in Ukraine, there are operational medium and long-range air defense systems.

The facts testify to the underestimation of the enemy and serious failures in terms of planning. Russian troops are experiencing an acute shortage of effective reconnaissance and strike UAVs, there is a shortage of electronic intelligence stations and jamming equipment.

Due to the fact that the share of imported microelectronics is large in complex Russian defense products, and now our country is experiencing problems with the legal acquisition of a foreign element base, it is unlikely that it will be possible to quickly overcome the existing difficulties.

To be continued ...
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  1. +13
    4 October 2022 06: 07
    Thanks to the author for a similar and interesting article. Without hats like some.
    1. +14
      4 October 2022 06: 15
      Quote: ASAD
      Thanks to the author for a similar and interesting article. Without hats like some.

      Yes, this author is one of the few who is adequate enough. Yes
      On my own behalf, I will add that in the future, whether someone likes it or not, but the air defense of Ukraine, thanks to Western assistance and the acquisition of combat experience, will only increase.
      1. +1
        5 October 2022 20: 48
        but the air defense of Ukraine, thanks to Western assistance and the acquisition of combat experience, will only intensify.

        And this is not good, since we will lose the ability to fully support our ground units. Otherwise, we will suffer even greater losses in aviation.
      2. -3
        9 October 2022 23: 05
        Yes, this author is one of the few who is adequate enough.
        Actually, let's start with the title -
        Modern mobile short-range air defense systems for Ukraine
        And what is next in the text and in the pictures? And there, all the air defense systems presented are of a completely different category (lower) - SHORT ACTION !!! Short-range air defense systems, in fact, are those that have a firing range of 10 to 20 km !!! Such is the knowledge of the materiel of an "adequate author"!
  2. +4
    4 October 2022 06: 53
    I didn’t know that not only American complexes were based on the stinger. very cleverly invented zur based on bunker units
    1. +8
      4 October 2022 08: 39
      Nikolay, hello! hi
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      did not know that based on the stinger, not only American complexes

      Globalization Sir! request
      There is nothing surprising in the fact that the closest NATO ally did not "fence the garden" and spend money on developing its own missile, but used the ready-made Stinger, especially considering that this MANPADS is in service with the Bundeswehr and is produced in Germany under license under the designation Fliegerfaust 2 Stinger.
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      very cunningly invented zur based on bunker units

      I strongly doubt that the VAMPIRE air defense system will be adopted by the United States. But this relatively cheap complex, with a rocket equipped with a proximity fuse, can be good against helicopters and UAVs.
      1. +2
        4 October 2022 09: 12
        Quote: Bongo

        I strongly doubt that the VAMPIRE air defense system will be adopted by the United States.

        So there is already an analogue, SHORAD. The ILC is testing a variant on an MRAP with various weapons, there is also a variant with APKWS / TALON

      2. +2
        4 October 2022 09: 27
        Quote: Bongo
        I strongly doubt that the VAMPIRE air defense system will be adopted by the United States. But this relatively cheap complex, with a rocket equipped with a proximity fuse, can be good against helicopters and UAVs.

        It is just served as a remedy for flies, that is, UAVs. Let the Air Force deal with aviation. MTR loves such a collective farm, maybe they will take it.
    2. +2
      4 October 2022 08: 48
      Quote: Nikolai R-PM
      very cunningly invented zur based on bunker units

      It is rather a universal ground-air/surface system. Perfect for DRG. Britain for its MTR in 2017 demonstrated a similar machine.


      The Turks have a tracked armored personnel carrier on the chassis, but it seems that there was also a light wheeled one.
  3. +4
    4 October 2022 07: 34
    The article is very professional, many systems are described in detail. The conclusions are not capricious and disappointing. Over time, our aviation in Ukraine will disappear with the supply of weapons from the West + counter-battery systems will appear in large quantities, our artillery will also subside. Again, the infantry will get everything :(
    1. -3
      9 October 2022 23: 33
      The article is very professional.
      ... Only a non-professional wrote it! For all of the air defense systems listed in the article are not short-range (as stated in the title), but SHORT-RANGE (of the original, lower category)! In the air defense school for this ... they would immediately roll TWO POINTS!
  4. 0
    4 October 2022 09: 15
    It’s good that the United States wrote off and destroyed all this back in the 90s.
    1. +2
      4 October 2022 09: 17
      Quote from cold wind
      It’s good that the United States wrote off and destroyed all this back in the 90s.

      Was it all mass-produced?
      1. +1
        4 October 2022 09: 30
        Quote: Tucan

        Was it all mass-produced?

        Of course, I think Sergey in the next part will talk about some of the air defense systems data.
        ADATS, for example, is now in service with Canada, and they can transfer it. A very interesting air defense system with 900 mm armor penetration.

        The United States, on its basis, developed a military air defense system / anti-tank systems based on Abrams, only the USSR ended.


        1. +2
          4 October 2022 09: 36
          Quote from cold wind
          Of course, I think Sergey in the next part will talk about some of the air defense systems data.

          You are slightly exaggerating, not all air defense systems in your photos were mass-produced. No.
          Quote from cold wind
          ADATS, for example, is now in service with Canada, and they can transfer it.

          In my opinion, this is extremely unlikely. In addition, no one accepted this air defense system except for Canada.
          1. 0
            4 October 2022 09: 43
            Quote: Tucan

            You are slightly exaggerating, not all air defense systems in your photos were mass-produced.

            Suffocate. Photo as an illustration.
            Quote: Tucan
            No one accepted the air defense system except for Canada.

            By the way, in the American Wiki they write that this complex was decommissioned in 2006.
      2. +5
        4 October 2022 09: 38
        Quote: Tucan
        Was it all mass-produced?

        Rumors about the complete absence of military air defense in the accursed NATO have always been somewhat exaggerated.
        1. +3
          4 October 2022 09: 41
          Quote: Negro
          Rumors about the complete absence of military air defense in the accursed NATO have always been somewhat exaggerated.

          I am not badly familiar with the air defense of the NATO countries, but this is not about that. At least one complex in the photo is not serial.
        2. +3
          4 October 2022 11: 32
          Quote: Negro
          Rumors about the complete absence of military air defense in the accursed NATO have always been somewhat exaggerated.

          It's just that Chaparela, M163 and Hoki somehow did not look against the background of our military air defense. smile
          However, the military air defense of NATO had the same construction strategy as that of the sailors: the receiver systems and air defense systems completed everything that the Air Force had missed. Because a successful ground war without gaining air supremacy was a priori considered impossible.
          1. +1
            4 October 2022 11: 45
            There are some doubts that the NATO air defense of 91 is so helpless against the background of the Tunguska-arrow-wasps-tora-beech-early S-300s.
  5. +7
    4 October 2022 09: 29
    It seems that the cycle is turning into an encyclopedia "(Almost) all the air defense systems of the world." Wonderful.
    1. +2
      4 October 2022 10: 36
      Quote: Negro
      It seems that the cycle is turning into an encyclopedia "(Almost) all the air defense systems of the world." Wonderful.

      This is not difficult, especially since Serezha used to write about most of the existing anti-aircraft systems in publications dedicated to air defense from different countries.
  6. +1
    4 October 2022 09: 29
    yes, all these 30 years we have "rested on our laurels" - exhibitions where everything is fine, articles where all enemies are defeated ...
    and there is no own industry left and there is no place to wait for help
  7. +4
    4 October 2022 09: 49
    Good article, as always from the author.
    All our aircraft and helicopters must be equipped with laser irradiation receivers, which will make it possible to timely disrupt the attack with Bolide and Starstreak missiles, against which the means of jamming missiles with IR seeker are powerless.

    It is not entirely clear how the Starstreak attack can be thwarted. You can’t put interference due to the peculiarities of the guidance system, the missile is very fast and is capable of hitting a target when maneuvering it with an overload of 9zhi.
    1. +4
      4 October 2022 10: 05
      Quote from solar
      Good article, as always from the author.

      Thank you! hi
      Quote from solar
      It is not entirely clear how the Starstreak attack can be thwarted. You can’t put interference due to the peculiarities of the guidance system, the missile is very fast and is capable of hitting a target when maneuvering it with an overload of 9zhi.

      The laser is used not only directly for guidance, but also as a rangefinder. An aircraft equipped with a laser irradiation receiver, when taken for escort, will be able to leave the firing zone in a timely manner, while simultaneously performing an anti-missile maneuver and leaving for WWI. It seems to me that fired aerosol ammunition blocking laser radiation can be effective against Starstreak missiles, but this is probably only possible on helicopters. Naturally, such aviation ammunition fired in a certain direction, designed to interfere with laser-guided missiles, has yet to be created and put into service.
      1. 0
        4 October 2022 12: 36
        against Starstreak missiles, fired aerosol ammunition blocking laser radiation can be effective

        must operate between the rocket and the illumination station.
        The flight time of the missile to the target is a few seconds, literally 5-7 seconds at the maximum range.
      2. +2
        4 October 2022 15: 04
        hi
        Hello!
        Aerosol interference as a remedy for Starstreaks did not come across anywhere, but laser radiation receivers and a set of maneuvers are already there.
        Description and link to the website of Leonardo (HIDAS) below.

        "Integrated Defense System of the Apache Helicopter than Carl. The EW Manual was his Book for the night, for the glory of Christ. I thought I could get something from him.
        ...
        “Okay, Ed, where would you like to start?
        - Keep it simple and clear, buddy, please.
        I already knew most of this, but it was nice to hear it all again. You couldn't get away from the SAM in Afghanistan. You couldn't take cover behind a tree or a rock, if you climbed higher it was even worse. Instead, VZSV fooled MANPADS. The built-in Defense System of the Apache Helicopter was carefully designed to defeat all known SAM systems. More importantly, it was done automatically.
        The VZZV detected every threat from a missile - any laser beam that tracked a helicopter, any radar that tried to capture it, and any missile that was fired at us - at a great distance, a web of sensors picked up the specific UV radiation generated by the rocket's engine. Then Whining Betty, the feminine public address system in the cockpit of the Apache, relayed the message. At the very moment when the helicopter was under threat - from the ground or from the air - she told us the good news, telling us what it was and where it was coming from.
        When a missile was fired at you, the VZZV automatically took countermeasures. Against radar-guided air defense systems, Apache threw out a cloud of foil, which turned the helicopter into a larger target and knocked down the radar. If it was a heat-seeking head, firing a cascade of traps - hotter than our engines - to bring her down. If the missile was manually aimed at the laser, then Betty used a series of quick (and highly secret) commands for evasive maneuvers: "Sharp right", "Sharp left", "Up" and "Descend". As soon as we were out of danger, she reported "Capture lifted." It was the closest thing to a compliment. What a woman.
        VZZV has never been tested in full-scale tests. The researchers did everything they could in the labs and at the test sites. But until you got caught by a few guys with MANPADS, you couldn't be sure how well it would do."

        "Aircraft Survivability Equipment - the HIDAS - - Helicopter Survival System. HIDAS is an acronym for the Helicopter Integrated Defensive Aids System."
        https://electronics.leonardo.com/en/products/helicopter_integrated_defensive_aids_system-hidas
        "Includes radar and laser irradiation sensors, a missile launch warning system, a system for ejecting thermal and radar traps. On the Apache, it can operate both in fully automatic mode and in semi-automatic mode, when the system only carries out a warning, and the command to shoot the pilot sets the traps."

        "Bitching Betty: The Apache's female cockpit voice warning system" - apparently, an analogue of "Rita".
        http://samlib.ru/k/klimkow_o_g/ed_macy_apache.shtml

        "Every Apache AH-64E that rolls off the assembly line, regardless of its end user, already has an embedded Leonardo security suite computer known as the AGP (Aircraft Gateway Processor). In this project, Leonardo will take the British Apache security suite a step further by integrating a number of sensors and countermeasure systems in the AH-64E to enhance its situational awareness and survivability.

        The helicopters' sensor installation will include a Leonardo SG200-D radar warning receiver (a UK-specific variant of the company's SEER family) and will reuse a number of systems currently on board the Army's Apache AH Mk1 fleet. . These reusable sensors and effectors include the Leonardo S1223 laser warning receiver, BAE Systems' AN/AAR-57 missile approach warning system, and the Thales Vicon metered countermeasure system.
        https://www.leonardo.com/en/press-release-detail/-/detail/leonardo-to-provide-uk-defensive-aids-suite-for-british-army-s-new-apache-ah-64e-helicopters
  8. 0
    4 October 2022 10: 45
    When MANPADS are saturated, UAVs can fully operate at low altitudes without thermal illumination. Attack aircraft and helicopters only as carriers of the WTO.
    1. +1
      4 October 2022 23: 54
      For MANPADS of the Starstreak or VAMPIRE type, the amount of thermal illumination of the target does not matter.
      1. -1
        5 October 2022 10: 11
        For MANPADS of the Starstreak or VAMPIRE type, the amount of thermal illumination of the target does not matter.
        Starstreak is an expensive and rare beast, VAMPIRE requires a base and is much easier to spot. The basis is Soviet MANPADS and stingers.
        1. 0
          5 October 2022 10: 23
          Starstreak is an expensive and rare beast

          Supplied to Ukraine and used. There is a video where he cuts the helicopter in half.
          VAMPIRE requires a base so it's much easier to spot.

          Does not radiate before launch, not so easy to detect.
  9. +1
    4 October 2022 12: 34
    There is no need to panic, everything is going according to plan, the Ukrainian Nazis will be destroyed, though the scent of the Stalinist "victorious" Finnish company of the 40s smells more and more distinctly every day
  10. +4
    4 October 2022 13: 31
    hi
    As always, great article.
    From what has been delivered and / or discussed publicly in terms of short-range air defense, everything is described in detail.

    In general, I personally am in ah.e. I've never written like this before, but the time has come. Sorry.

    A few reviews about the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from a person who is IMHO close to the topic (Fighterbomber, his TG):
    1. About losses: "There is a bomber regiment, where every fourth crew has already been shot down. And more will be shot down.
    And they attack again and again."
    2. About ZA and MANPADS: The main impact on aviation now comes from the enemy's ZA and MANPADS. Well, aviation is still working in conditions of unsuppressed enemy air defense. This is a MANPADS, and FOR cannot be cleaned, but everything else is possible and necessary.
    3. About for some reason the living C300: ""We flew on a sortie to the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction. Charging is unusual, for which you need higher and faster, there the attitude turns out to be normal, so that if possible you don’t enter the enemy’s air defense.
    The brothers have already worked from other airfields, and we seem to be closing the entire strike.
    Deep night outside the window.
    There are two products on the plane, it is said to work with one. The height is high, the speed of work is far beyond supersonic. I see a red-yellow “star” lit up ahead and flickers so dimly, but the “PR” signal has already gone out, it’s buzzing in my ears, it’s 4 seconds before reset, well, wait, what is 4 seconds ...
    The product is gone.
    Then he dragged the anti-missile maneuver as much as he had strength (by the way, by the way, it was still not clear what kind of asterisk it was), in the turn something hit the fuselage slightly. Maybe a shock wave, maybe a corrugation from overload. Unclear.
    I listened to myself, to the plane - everything is fine, the engines are humming, the cabin whistles, the radio hisses, the instruments show, there are no failures. Norm.
    Well, I calmly went home.
    After landing, they counted 36 hits on my swallow. Striking elements, steel cubes with an edge of 7-9mm from S-300.
    They killed the "unnecessary" wires, slightly damaged the fuel line, mainly in the airframe, there were holes in the engines, one flew 3 mm from the pneumatic into the disk flange.
    And one cube pierced the cockpit from the side and hit the back of the ejection seat in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbhand scatter limiters, so much so that from the street through the hole you can see the side of the seat.
    It is 20 cm to the spine or abdomen, at the speed that we flew it is only 0,0005 seconds.
    I then thought, if you returned from a sortie and it is not clear why you remained intact, then your guardian angel flew well and the blood is not on your chest, but on his wings.
    That's the way it is brother.
    Z. Y. This pen was given to me by my navigator.
    In the center is the same element ""
    (c) Fighterbomber
  11. -2
    4 October 2022 16: 05
    The question is, what if, as a countermeasure against air defense systems (and not only short-range, but also medium and long-range ones), to develop cheap (mass large-scale) aircraft with a bright thermal and radar signature, which, carrying a certain amount of explosives, should oversaturate the enemy air defense systems . Such devices can contain both a certain amount of explosives to destroy lightly armored or unprotected opponents (like light loitering ammunition), and basic cameras that will allow them to be used for reconnaissance. But most importantly, they can lure the attention of the enemy’s air defense systems to themselves, forcing them to spend missiles and shells limited in the number of them. And after the depletion of ammunition - to send combat missiles and shells to destroy targets.

    Depending on the goal setting (distracting light air defense systems or medium / heavy ones), you can create different configurations. From a quadrocopter drone based on a single engine with a coaxial pair of propellers (due to the presence of one engine and only two propellers, such a scheme is cheaper and more massive than "classic" quadcopters with 4 motors and propellers. The base of a coaxial propeller will not greatly complicate the design) , one camera with a wide field of view (which compensates for the presence of only one camera without a camera rotation mechanism), a battery for 20-25 minutes of flight and a universal mount for grenades or explosives. And for heavier air defense systems, create such a drone based on a flying monoplane (like an aircraft model).
  12. +1
    4 October 2022 18: 07
    The article, as always, is beyond praise!
    We can only hope that not all of the above will fall into the hands of the "neighbors".
    And what gets there will not become a serious threat to our pilots.
    We can only hope... hi
  13. -4
    4 October 2022 18: 38
    Before the NMD, in addition to a large number of various long, medium and short-range air defense systems in Ukraine, there were a large number of various air defense systems in Eastern Europe. So, S-300 air defense systems were: Bulgaria - 8, Slovakia -12, Greece - 12 and a certain number of Croatia, in addition, Finland had 18 Buk, 4 - Cyprus, approx. 10 in Georgia ... I don’t mention short-range air defense systems and air defense systems: "Cube", "Shilka", there were over 130 Osa air defense systems in Eastern Europe and Georgia ... What the West is now supplying (or is going to supply) a large number of various types of air defense systems: small, medium and long range, - indicates that air defense systems were knocked out not only in Ukraine, but also in Eastern Europe ... We will knock out both Western European and American air defense systems ... This is just a question time...
    1. +1
      5 October 2022 01: 26
      You write very controversial things, but this is not true at all
      Quote: Andrey A
      So, the S-300 air defense systems were: Bulgaria - 8, Slovakia -12,
    2. +1
      5 October 2022 05: 12
      Quote: Andrey A
      Before the NMD, in addition to a large number of various long, medium and short-range air defense systems in Ukraine, there were a large number of various air defense systems in Eastern Europe. So, S-300 air defense systems were: Bulgaria - 8, Slovakia -12, Greece - 12 and a certain number of Croatia, in addition, Finland had 18 Buk, 4 - Cyprus, approx. 10 in Georgia ... I don’t mention short-range air defense systems and air defense systems: "Cube", "Shilka", there were over 130 Osa air defense systems in Eastern Europe and Georgia ... What the West is now supplying (or is going to supply) a large number of various types of air defense systems: small, medium and long range, - indicates that air defense systems were knocked out not only in Ukraine, but also in Eastern Europe ... We will knock out both Western European and American air defense systems ... This is just a question time...

      You undertake to judge what you have a very superficial idea. Bulgaria has one S-300PMU division, one Slovakia transferred the SAM division of the same type to Ukraine. Greece, but not Cyprus has two S-300PMU-1 divisions. There are no Buk-M1 air defense systems in Western countries.
      1. 0
        5 October 2022 11: 24
        There are no Buk-M1 air defense systems in Western countries.

        In Finland, he was still (given away for debts in the late 90s) in service until 2008, then they seemed to be removed from service, but they write that they are still there under the name ITO 96.
        http://pvo.guns.ru/other/finn/buk.htm
        1. +3
          5 October 2022 13: 35
          Quote from solar
          There are no Buk-M1 air defense systems in Western countries.

          In Finland, he was still (given away for debts in the late 90s) in service until 2008, then they seemed to be removed from service, but they write that they are still there under the name ITO 96.
          http://pvo.guns.ru/other/finn/buk.htm

          In the past, I have studied the Finnish air defense system quite deeply, and I can definitely say that there are no capable Buk-M1 air defense systems in this country now.
          Air defense of the country of Suomi
          https://topwar.ru/121520-pvo-strany-suomi-chast-6.html
          1. 0
            6 October 2022 13: 50
            The Buk air defense system, as follows from your article, was removed from service with Finland, but nothing is said about the fact that it was transferred somewhere or, moreover, disposed of ... So Ukraine could well have received these systems during the NWO and, only after the reserves of the Soviet air defense systems were completely exhausted, the deliveries of, in fact, Western equipment began ....
            1. +2
              6 October 2022 13: 54
              In vain you try to argue with Bongo. I follow his posts and comments. Such disputes often end in disgrace for the disputants. Bongo is quite a competent person in this topic.
              1. +2
                6 October 2022 14: 04
                Quote: Tucan
                In vain you try to argue with Bongo. I follow his posts and comments. Such disputes often end in disgrace for the disputants. Bongo is quite a competent person in this topic.

                Thanks for support! But I can answer for myself!
            2. +2
              6 October 2022 14: 03
              Quote: Andrey A
              The Buk air defense system, as follows from your article, was removed from service in Finland, but nothing is said about the fact that it was transferred somewhere or, moreover, disposed of ...

              I know what happened to the Finnish Buk. Some were sent to the US for study, some were disposed of, at least one firing installation is in the Finnish museum. But what does this have to do with the subject under discussion? Do you seriously believe that the killed Finnish "beeches" could have a noticeable impact on the course of hostilities?
              1. -3
                6 October 2022 14: 24
                Your knowledge does not follow from the text of your own article, I'm not talking about Wikipedia, ..., i.e. does not rely on facts ... And an opinion is worth nothing ... I did not check where the Buks were heading from Finland, and there is no possibility, but I very much doubt that Soviet equipment will be disposed of in the West: it is now very, very good for the West came in handy ... Americans have been operating warships for 40-50 years, there are presidents, they still fly on Boeings - 747, which are 100 years old at lunchtime, and you tell me ...
                1. +3
                  6 October 2022 14: 34
                  Quote: Andrey A
                  Your knowledge does not follow from the text of your own article

                  So what? Did you not pay attention to the release date of the article on Finnish air defense? At that time, I did not know where the Finnish Buks had gone, but now I know. wink
                  And stop mentioning Vika, for me it's bad manners.
                  Quote: Andrey A
                  but I very much doubt that Soviet equipment will be disposed of in the West: it is now very, very useful to the West ... Americans have been operating warships for 40-50 years, there are presidents, they still fly on Boeings - 747, which at lunchtime - 100 years, and you tell me ...

                  What is your military specialty? It is at least strange to compare air defense systems in which part of the element base is based on electrovacuum devices with civil airliners. Please write about what you really understand. Otherwise, it is very difficult to take you seriously.

                  By the way, you are not quite right about the presidential Boeing 747-200. These aircraft have been upgraded to the level of Boeing 747-400ER. Now the main type for the movement of the first persons of the United States are the fresh Boeing 737.
                  1. -4
                    6 October 2022 14: 51
                    "Boeings" -747 are still in use ... This is a fact and they are used in the administration of the President of the United States and this is also a fact. And your reference to yourself is not enough for me ... On your part, this is, indeed, bad manners. And so, I already had to read similar attacks against Wikipedia, these were Ukrainian trolls ... For some reason, they didn’t like it very much ...
                    1. +5
                      6 October 2022 15: 11
                      Quote: Andrey A
                      "Boeings" -747 are still in use ... This is a fact and they are used in the administration of the President of the United States and this is also a fact.

                      There is information on the net about how often they are used and how different these machines are from the original ones. It would be desirable to find it.
                      Quote: Andrey A
                      And your reference to yourself is not enough for me ..

                      Where did I refer to myself? However, if something does not suit you, then you are able to find a more reliable source on your own. Or not?
                      Quote: Andrey A
                      And so, I already had to read similar attacks against Wikipedia, these were Ukrainian trolls ... For some reason, they didn’t like it very much ...

                      I deeply parallel what someone likes or dislikes. I'm just saying that Vika on the topic of air defense is absolutely not reliable. Will you deny it? By the way, the offer regarding cognac is still in force.
                      I won several bottles at VO in the past. However, some preferred to merge or included a fool. But you're not like that, are you?
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2022 19: 47
                        Your information about the Finnish "Buks" I will take into account.
      2. -4
        6 October 2022 13: 40
        All data on the S-300 (32 pcs) and Buk (approx. 32 pcs) from Wikipedia. So they either were in Eastern Europe or still are. Those that were withdrawn from service, quite possibly, were still in warehouses and were also supplied to Ukraine ... And now all this is not there, as well as Ukrainian air defense systems, in fact, and therefore Western equipment is being supplied. There are not so many Western air defense systems: various kinds of short-range air defense systems, as follows from the above article, there are somewhat more than 1000 pieces .... The West will be able to supply - 10-30% of it (100-300 pieces from strength) ... Let's knock it out as Ukrainian air defense systems were knocked out ... and https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_(anti-aircraft_missile_complex)
        1. +3
          6 October 2022 13: 45
          Quote: Andrey A
          All data on the S-300 (32 pcs) and Buk (approx. 32 pcs) from Wikipedia.

          If you want to be taken seriously, use reputable sources. Wikipedia in this matter is the level of the Murzilka magazine.
          1. 0
            6 October 2022 14: 40
            Will you!! Wikipedia, in turn, refers to something, as it should be ... But those who talk about the disposal of Ukrainian "beeches" do not refer to anything .... The difference is obvious ... But Wiki itself - the same source of information as others ....
            1. +1
              6 October 2022 14: 49
              Quote: Andrey A
              Will you!! Wikipedia, in turn, refers to something, as it should be...

              I would agree with you. But not in this case. You can believe me or not, but there is practically no reliable information regarding air defense in Vik. Regarding the facts you cited, I can bet on a bottle of cognac. Is there such a desire?
  14. 0
    4 October 2022 21: 07
    SAMs make it impossible to use Russian aviation.
    At the air show, the public is shown only aerobatics, not aircraft equipment. Well, where did aerobatics come in handy? It's interesting.
    1. -4
      6 October 2022 13: 55
      It’s not a fact that the air defense systems supplied by the West will make it impossible to use Russian aviation ... But our aviation worked when the sky of Ukraine was covered by Ukrainian air defense, which, I note, had no analogues in Western Europe .... We successfully knocked out this air defense, about which they say Western deliveries, we will knock out the equipment supplied from the West, especially since it will be supplied in small quantities (drop by drop) and will not radically (at the moment) change anything ....
      1. +3
        6 October 2022 13: 59
        Quote: Andrey A
        It is not a fact that air defense systems supplied by the West will make it impossible to use Russian aviation ...

        Is this your opinion as an expert? Please tell us how deep Russian aviation is now deepening behind the front line, and why?
        Quote: Andrey A
        We successfully knocked out this air defense, which is what Western supplies are talking about, we will knock out the equipment supplied from the West, especially since it will be delivered in small quantities (drop by drop) and will not radically (at the moment) change anything ....

        Do not pass off your wishes as reality. No. Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise.
        1. -3
          6 October 2022 14: 33
          You might think that you have a direct connection with the General Staff, or do you use information from the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Recently, new data appeared on the strikes of our Su-25 attack aircraft. So they are working, at least in the frontline zone ... The very idea of ​​\u2b\uXNUMXbdeep air raids behind enemy lines goes back to American schemes, they created their own B - XNUMX under this scheme. The scheme turned out to be unviable .... Our heavy aviation the whole company works from a distance and works efficiently...
          1. +4
            6 October 2022 14: 51
            I dare to have a brain, and I am able to adequately assess the information available in the public domain. And type arguments
            Quote: Andrey A
            You might think that you have a direct connection with the General Staff, or do you use information from the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
            is demagogy. negative
        2. -3
          6 October 2022 14: 36
          “Attack aviation crews dealt a massive blow to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the zone of the special military operation. Fortified positions and armored vehicles fell into the sight of the Su-25. The pilots operated in pairs and at extremely low altitudes to avoid enemy air defense systems.

          After each such sortie, the aircraft are checked by specialists from the engineering troops and refueled. After that, the Su-25 crews fly out again."
          1. +4
            6 October 2022 14: 59
            Quote: Andrey A
            “Attack aviation crews dealt a massive blow to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the zone of the special military operation. Fortified positions and armored vehicles fell into the sight of the Su-25. The pilots operated in pairs and at extremely low altitudes to avoid enemy air defense systems.

            Why are you writing this? You were asked:
            Quote: Bongo
            Please tell us how deep Russian aviation is now deepening behind the front line, and why?

            Can you directly answer a directly posed question? Or you do not understand the difference between attack aircraft, front-line bombers and multifunctional fighters. Which were very active in the initial phase of the NWO.

            And this:
            Quote: Andrey A
            Our heavy aviation throughout the company works from a distance and works effectively ...
            - winds this frame from the film.
            1. -3
              6 October 2022 20: 12
              Well, courtesy is not your element ... And so, I don’t have exhaustive information about the actions of our aviation, you don’t have it either ..... I gave information that our attack aircraft are working and are actively working, and this a fact, no matter how anyone dislikes it ... Bomber aircraft, as a rule, work from a distance, well, that’s a fact ... What are you dissatisfied with? - Would you like to offer me reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on hundreds of our downed aircraft? - No need....
  15. +1
    11 October 2022 06: 13
    the longer the Russian leadership will perform dances of goodwill, instead of fighting in a real way, the more the Ukrainian army will be saturated with advanced weapons and the more Russian servicemen will pay with their lives for all the inadequacy that is happening ....