Is it possible to replace the Sokol from the late Gorbachev with the Owl from seasoned Putin

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Is it possible to replace the Sokol from the late Gorbachev with the Owl from seasoned Putin


This book contains information about stories creation,
device and service of some of the most unusual ships
Soviet and Russian fleets - small anti-submarine
hydrofoil ships under the common code "Falcon".
The ships were designed in the period of the highest prosperity
Soviet naval power, but, unfortunately,
entered service at its end during the crash
great country, which predetermined them
fate not marked by important events.

"Falcon hunting"

Is a replacement possible?


Yes, during the period of the heyday of the Soviet naval power, the country could afford both nuclear submarine titanium Lira, and heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers with VTOL aircraft, and even the “Caspian monster”! I don’t want to believe that now we are only able to gleefully giggle over the billion-dollar failures of the Americans in the form of destroyers of the Zamvolt type.



The borrowed idea from the book "Falconry" and the author's sincere attempt six years ago to develop it in the article "The highest class of the fourth rank" on our resource has only grown stronger over time and has now become more material and tied to our reality. And the conditional renaming of the project cipher is nothing more than the author's abstract associations of representatives of the feathered world with real IPCs, corvettes and frigates in comparison with the future Owl, which will be better than them and "see" the airspace, and "listen" to the depth.

In addition, the material was worked out under the great impression of Comrade Andrei Gorbachevsky's articles on the radar armament of the future, the ideas, calculations and solutions of which I refer to in my work.

The concept of a small hydrofoil corvette (MKPV) is proposed for the court of an indifferent reader, the distinctive features of which will be high speed, universal weapons and a single radar complex (ERLC).

After Sweden and Finland join NATO, and Ukraine and Georgia become candidates for membership in the European Union, it becomes completely clear: in order to look for enemies in the European theater of operations, one does not have to go over three seas. Therefore, in modern realities, the redundancy of the concept of a universal destroyer of the Leader type by 18 kilotons and, probably, even the hope for an increased project 22350M by 8–9 kilotons becomes clear in modern realities.

Our ships on the European theater of operations should go beyond the coastal air defense umbrella and aviation will be contraindicated. Just as mother nature and the environment dictate the conditions for the survival of the animal world, so the economic, political and military situations force us to face the truth. And the truth is that universal small corvettes should come to replace the dead missile cruiser and the steadily aging missile boats, MPKs and RTOs.

Six years ago, the author proposed a ship hull made entirely of titanium, for which he was subjected to justified criticism. The reality is that the relative prices of titanium are not getting any lower, and until recently the foreign aircraft industry still consumes up to 40 percent of this Russian resource. So, in one aircraft from the "Boeing" model 777 there is up to 50 tons of titanium. One hundred tons of this metal will be enough to make the hull and hydrofoils for the Russian corvette. Now, after all, Russia cannot buy two planes from our own metal for any candy wrappers, but it should become a reality to build two hulls a year.

Buy and process 200 tons of titanium per year for the needs of the Russian fleet should not become an unbearable burden for the budget with today's super profits from the sale of oil, gas and grain. Given the fair criticism, even the superstructure of the ship can now be made of carbon fiber or fiberglass. The technologies were mastered during the import substitution of the production of a wing for civil aircraft and the construction of non-magnetic hulls for project 12700 minesweepers.

Why titanium? The mechanical strength of titanium is about twice that of pure iron, and almost six times that of aluminum. It was the unacceptably low strength of the aluminum case that put an end to the rather successful service of the MPK-220 Vladimirets. The authors of the book call it nothing more than fragile, adding juicy details about replacing the aluminum-magnesium alloy brand with a less durable one during the construction process, unlike the prototype.

Getting 18 holes in the bucket of the 13th shipyard in the closed Sevastopol Bay from a floating crane torn off the mooring lines by the wind, which is only twice as heavy as the ship itself, speaks of the extreme weakness of the aluminum hull of the warship. Moreover, the crane did not require repairs at all, and it still works properly in Sevastopol; and it was not a collision on the move, both participants in the incident were immobilized, only a gale in a closed bay! Here is the data from the original source: the thickness of the bottom sheathing sheets is 8 mm; board - 6 mm; lower deck - 3 mm; upper deck - 5 mm.

The density of the aluminum-magnesium alloy AMG-61 is 2,65 grams per cubic centimeter, with a purely speculative experiment of replacing the case material with titanium (density 4,54 g/cm3) we get an increase in the weight of the structure by 1,66 times, mind you, not even twice. On the other hand, the hull becomes almost six times stronger, and titanium is practically armor, which is important for a warship.

If you go from the opposite, performing the task of designing a similar hull made of titanium, subject to all the requirements of the strength of materials and GOSTs of military shipbuilding, it is even possible to make it easier with an increase in design loads. Let's add to the sixfold superiority in strength and three times higher melting point, which is important in connection with the frequent fires, both on ships and in shipyards.

Titanium has an incomparably higher anti-corrosion resistance, which will significantly save on the frequency of case maintenance and paintwork materials during operation. In the end, this material for the hull will guarantee that the following quote will not apply to our ship:

“And there are cracks. Just cracks in the hulls of Independence-class ships, due to which aluminum trimarans simply cannot reach speeds of more than 15 knots and go to sea with a wave of more than 2,5 meters or 5 points on the Beaufort scale.

The allowable combination of a titanium hull with a superstructure made of carbon fiber or fiberglass together provide good prerequisites for improving the non-magnetic quality of the ship, its low radar visibility, achieving high cruising and maximum speeds, and high project efficiency during operation.

In addition to materials, two more nuances should work for stealth technology. As can be seen from the figures, when creating the ship's hull, only two values ​​​​of the angles of inclination of the outer planes are used to the maximum - 12 and 6 degrees, both from the vertical and from the horizontal (hull planes that do not affect speed and seaworthiness; slope of the upper deck; superstructure planes and antenna-mast complex; increased dimensions of solid bulwarks, designed to shield the inevitable joints at an angle of large structural elements and platforms of artillery weapons).

In addition, unlike its predecessor, all the daily activities of the crew are maximally transferred inside the hull, which made it possible to eliminate through passages along the sides along the upper deck and increase the volume of internal space. The torpedo and missile weapons of the ship are also securely hidden behind the hull panels. Probably, it makes sense to recall the availability of the use of radar-absorbing coatings and camouflage painting.


In order to justify the cost of creating a lightweight and durable titanium hull, we need to try to maximize the inherent potential, turning it into real advantages of our warship over potential opponents. And above all, such an advantage should be high speed. The movement of a ship on hydrofoils is many times more economical than in a displacement mode, but the process of entering it is energy-consuming.

I hope that most readers understand the impossibility of returning to equipping the warships of the Russian fleet with power plants based on Ukrainian-made gas turbines. For eight years, the country has been engaged in import substitution with varying success. The creation of Russian M-90 FR gas turbine engines for Project 22350 frigates with a capacity of 27 hp was widely announced. With. (500 kW) with the possibility of further increasing it to 20 MW (226 hp). With an eye to this power, a slight increase in the size and displacement of a small hydrofoil corvette is envisaged.

Remaining true to the principle of using only products that actually exist in the metal, we will opt for two gas turbine power plants GTE-25U. In addition to the power we need of 25 MW, they are also quite compact in terms of their weight and size characteristics (weight - 60 tons; length - 8,1 m; width - 3,2 m; height - 4,3 m), which allows them to be organically written in the ICPV corpus. As an auxiliary power plant, we will opt for two marine diesel generators DGR-500/1500 (power - 500 kW; weight - 4,07 tons; dimensions - 3,2 * 1,4 * 1,41 m).

A curious reader will certainly have a question: why does such a small ship need energy, exceeding in total power the energy of a modern Russian frigate pr. 22350? The answer is simple - better than a frigate, efficiency and expediency. “A speed of 50 knots was achieved with a power of 25 liters. With. (according to the project - 000 hp), which increased the cruising range; the maximum speed was 30 knots ”- this is about the Sokol.

Our somewhat larger and heavier Filin MKPK should have enough power from one turbine to achieve a cruising speed of 40-45 knots, and in the economical mode of operation of both turbines at 80 percent power, to reach a speed of 60 knots. The unified electric power system of the ship with an electric drive for three rudder propellers with its inherent flexibility of control and a variety of modes allows you to make the most preferable choice of speed, based on the specifics of the tasks. The most energy-intensive elements of the corvette's equipment, such as a single radar complex and a submersible sonar, should not experience restrictions in power consumption.

As conceived by the author, ERLC should operate in 24/7 aerial reconnaissance mode, starting from the departure of the ship from the pier and until it returns to the harbor. If you want, then the ship should become a surface AWACS for all interested consumers of information about the air situation in the area of ​​​​its location and along the route, or, in other terminology, a radar patrol ship (CRLD). All it takes is three things: sufficient uninterrupted power, at least 150 hours of MTBF, and a reliable high-capacity communication link. Whether the "Owl" attacks an enemy ship or submarine at maximum speed - aerial reconnaissance is underway; moves at cruising speed for any reason - the radar is working; and even on the “foot” with a submerged sonar, we will have a complete picture of the air situation within a radius of 170 miles!

The author is convinced that in the near future the Russian fleet does not shine to receive an analogue of the carrier-based Hawkeye or something like the E-3B or Nimrod into the Navy aviation, even the operation of existing AWACS helicopters from ships is in doubt. But with the help of such ships, it is possible to monitor both the underwater and surface conditions in a given area not for 3–8 hours, but for days. And it will not be a defenseless expensive major one, but a full-fledged warship, which you can risk.


With weapons, the ship will have everything simply obscenely for a novelty. Of the rocket and artillery weapons, these are the stealth 76,2-mm AK-176 MA gun mount and the Pantsir-M anti-aircraft missile and gun system - the same as on the Karakurt mass-produced small missile ships. At first glance, it seems to be too heavy for a small hydrofoil corvette with a displacement of 500 tons, but on the other hand, strike weapons are limited to a minimum.

These are four Uran light subsonic anti-ship missiles in inclined launchers and two standard four-tube torpedo tubes of the Paket-NK complex. Yes, in a duel situation against a modern destroyer or frigate, the MKPC will not be able to overload the air defense system of a decent ship with the number of anti-ship missiles in a salvo. But with a targeted coordinated attack, 2-3-4 Owls will be able to deliver a more dense and azimuth-spaced strike similar to a star raid of aviation.

In the end, according to theory, the probability of hitting a target with a volley of four anti-ship missiles does not differ by an order of magnitude from the probability of hitting a target with a volley of 6-12 missiles (those who can think of the last example with the death of the Moskva missile defense missile system, if there were anti-ship missiles). It’s just that the pinprick tactics also have a right to exist, although many, including modern naval commanders, would prefer to defeat the enemy in a general battle with a dry score.

If everything is simple and clear with conventional weapons, then with electronic weapons there will probably be more questions than answers and possible competencies of our industrial base. About the desired single radar system for the ship will be a little lower. The foundation for the implementation of the anti-submarine capabilities of the ship should be an analogue of the MG-369 Zvezda-M1-01 hydroacoustic complex with a receiving and emitting antenna lowered to 200 meters, as on the Sokol.

I hope that after forty years it will be possible not only to reproduce, but also to improve the characteristics using modern element base, computer technology and promising developments in the field of hydroacoustics. And all the information collected with the help of SAC and ERLC will be able to convey to interested consumers a secure, high-capacity satellite communications and navigation complex.

Unified radar complex


The third feature of the small hydrofoil corvette (MKPC) "Filin" should be a single radar complex of the ship, which will ensure all the vital activity and combat work of the carrier. To a wide range of readers, the Aegis radar with the homonymous BIUS on American destroyers of the Arleigh Burke type seems to be an almighty and immaculate masterpiece of military engineering for the past forty long years.

Fans of naval air defense know that destroyers also carry three AN / SPG-62 continuous-wave radars to illuminate an air target in the final missile guidance area. Sailors are aware of the presence of AN / SPS-67 navigation radars on destroyers, and specialists from naval artillery are dedicated to the purpose of the AN / SPQ-9 artillery fire control radar.

In total, at least six radars are obtained with their own power supply, control and interface systems with the general ship CIUS. Difficult and cumbersome - yes. Can it be simpler and more elegant - let's try on the "Owl".

It is not realistic to wash the Aegis on the MKPC without an active phased antenna array. And the first step to success should be the correct choice of the frequency range of the promising ERLC. The AN / SPY-1 air traffic control radar of the Aegis system is conventionally considered to operate in the decimeter wavelength range, although to be scrupulously accurate, the declared range of 3,1-3,5 GHz corresponds to electromagnetic wavelengths of 9,6-8,5, 5,5 centimeters. Andrey Gorbachevsky in his article on the VO “The effectiveness of the air defense of a promising destroyer. Alternative Radar Complex" suggested choosing an operating wavelength of 5,4 cm (XNUMX GHz) for the multifunctional radar.

Allowing himself to disagree with the American authority and the opinion of a domestic specialist, he chose a wavelength of 6,6 centimeters (4,5 GHz) with the ability to operate the radar in the 4,2-4,8 GHz range for two simple reasons: firstly , the attenuation of the energy of the selected wave during the passage of the troposphere over the sea is 12–16 percent lower than that of the wave selected by our specialist; secondly, the dimensions of the main canvas of the AFAR allow it to fit into the superstructure and the antenna-mast device of a small corvette. The width of the radiation patterns during the formation of one, two, three and four beams at the same time with the corresponding sizes of the clusters that form them are given in the table.


Actually, the ERLC antennas are a combination of nine flat headlights, functionally combined in the directions of the tank, starboard and port side and stern, as shown on the projections of the ship. Two side and bow combinations consist of identical in size (6,912 * 0,576 m) and number (192 * 16 = 3 pieces) active transceiver modules (PPM) in horizontal arrays and passive receiving modules in vertical arrays (it should be clarified that the distance between the radiators in the mentioned gratings is set to 072 m, see the top two rows in the table).

The area where the intersection of the active horizontal and passive vertical phased array, as it were, overlaps each other, is given over to the placement of active PPM, but when working to receive the reflected signal, it also participates in the formation of beams of the passive vertical phased array. Thus, in the formation of a single beam for transmission, 3072 RPMs of a horizontal APAA are involved (the width of the RP horizontally is 0,4869 degrees; vertically 5,843 degrees), and for the reception of the reflected probing signal, the width of the RP of a passive vertical phased array (with the participation of the lower segment, consisting of 16 * 16 \u256d 5,843 RPM) will be respectively directly opposite (horizontally 0,4869 degrees; vertically XNUMX degrees).

In reality, the joint operation of the active horizontal and passive vertical phased array made it possible to obtain a total needle-shaped radiation pattern with a beam width of about half a degree in both coordinates. Excellent result! Such a beam makes it possible not only to track the detected targets with high accuracy and selectivity, but also to issue target designation to the ship’s fire weapons, such as the AK-176 MA gun mount and the Pantsir-ME air defense missile system.

As a probing signal for the NRLK, a phase code-domain keying signal (PCMS) of 13, 11, and 7 smooth rectangular pulses with a duration of 1 microsecond with a change in the initial phase of generation according to the Barker code, as well as the switching time of the PPM and PM phase shifters from the current position to the position for working with set to 10 microseconds by the subsequent probing signal. These parameters are important for calculating the optimal characteristics of the ERLC visibility zone. Each of the four groups of active and passive phased arrays operates in a sector of 90 degrees horizontally.

In turn, the sector is divided into three viewing zones in terms of elevation and range: the lower zone - from 0 to 7 degrees, extends up to 320 kilometers; middle zone - from 7 to 22 degrees and up to 220 kilometers; the upper zone is from 22 to 57 degrees in elevation and up to 120 kilometers in range. So, it's not hard to guess and prioritize the importance of the lower view area. For the entire length of 320 kilometers, a sudden appearance of aerodynamic targets dangerous for the ship is possible in it due to the radio horizon from the radio shadow zone.

These can be anti-ship missiles attacking the ship, fired according to external target designation, and helicopters, and light aircraft, and of course, supersonic fighter-bombers in the widest range of altitudes and speeds. In addition, when the flight is directed to the ship, all these targets in horizontal flight will have a minimum effective dispersion surface optimized by stealth technology for electromagnetic waves. To increase the probability of detecting air targets in the lower zone, the entire available arsenal of ERLC capabilities is used.

First of all, it is a thirteen-bit probing signal to provide maximum pulse power. The formation of two independent beams with a total width of the vertical and horizontal radiation patterns of only one degree, which, with a pulse repetition rate of 450 Hz and a mutual overlap of the beams in line-by-line viewing of given sectors of 33 percent, provides a single scan of the entire lower zone in a little less than one second .


Viewing the middle zone for the purpose of conducting aerial reconnaissance at a distance of up to 220 kilometers will reliably provide a less powerful eleven-bit sounding signal. This is due to the lower level of natural interference at high elevation angles and the lower attenuation of the radio signal in the stratosphere (the concentration of oxygen and water vapor is rarefied at high altitudes).

An overview of the zone with a pulse repetition rate of 675 Hz is already produced by three simultaneously formed beams, in which the total width of the radiation pattern along the planes is a worthy one and a half degrees. I note that Aegis forms a single beam with a DN width of 1,7 * 1,7 degrees. The ERLC with the same beam overlap coefficient of 33 percent is already viewing the middle zone in less than half a second.

With a decrease in the instrumental detection range to 120 kilometers in the upper zone, we can allow a reduction in the pulse duration (power) by almost half - a seven-bit probing signal. Positive factors for increasing the probability of detecting targets in this zone against the background of near space are not the most favorable for aircraft irradiation angles into the lower hemisphere during horizontal flight; flying at high altitude itself implies high speed and, as a result, a significant size of the exhaust plume of jet engines, which, as you know, does not combine well with stealth technology.

Reducing the specified instrumental range to 120 kilometers allows an increase in the repetition rate of probing pulses up to 900 Hz, which, when using four simultaneously formed beams with a total radiation pattern width of about 2 degrees, makes it possible to view the upper zone in a time interval of less than a third of a second.

Summarizing all of the above, in an accessible form for a wide range of readers, I assert that we get an almost ideal radar mode for conducting aerial reconnaissance, which allows the ship commander to update information about the air situation in the upper hemisphere every two seconds. This is comparable to the rotation speed of a conventional reflector antenna of 30 revolutions per minute.

More complex and responsible is the task of tracking already detected air and surface targets and issuing target designation on them to fire weapons for destroying a ship. For this purpose, a single beam formed by a sector antenna system with a total width of half a degree is used. The target coordinates (azimuth, range and elevation) set earlier in the detection mode in the tracking and target designation mode must be supplemented with movement parameters (direction and speed), nationality and classification (surface, low-altitude, high-speed) are determined.

The sixth sense of the author suggests that at least 96 percent of the initially detected contacts will fall on the lower viewing zone, which, after the fact of detection and taking on escort, can subsequently smoothly move to the middle and even upper detection zones. Therefore, for the operation of the ERLC in the tracking and target designation mode, it is more logical to set the gradation of zones not by elevation, but by range to the target.

Accordingly, in the far zone from 320 to 220 kilometers, where any targets pose the least potential danger to a small corvette, the pulse repetition rate in a single beam is set to 450 Hz with a pulse duration of 13 microseconds. In an area with a range of targets from 220 to 120 kilometers, we increase the repetition frequency to 675 Hz with a reduction in pulse duration to 11 microseconds, and in an area closer than 120 kilometers from the ship, a single beam will flicker at a frequency of 900 Hz with a pulse duration of 7 microseconds.

In the manual control mode of the ERLC in a difficult interference environment, it is permissible to turn on the most powerful (thirteen-bit) probing pulses in any mode and any area of ​​operation, virtually without compromising information content. Preliminary calculations show that the ERLC will be able to take up to 160 air targets for escort with the issuance of target designation for 40 of them both for its own fire weapons and to be a source of target designation for an interacting ship with more productive and long-range weapons.

Promoting a sober view of the obvious facts, it must be admitted that the ammunition load of the AK-176 MA gun mount of 152 rounds at a rate of fire of 120 rounds per minute will be used up in two minutes of real combat (taking into account the possibility of firing at two targets simultaneously and the time of shifting the aiming line). No, you can, of course, practice sophistry and demagogy, asserting the possibility of firing both single shots and short bursts, and stretch the pleasure to 10-15 minutes. But even this time, comparable to the conduct of combat by an infantryman with an AKM and a portable ammunition load, serves as a weak justification for the presence of a specialized firing radar on a small corvette or RTO to ensure the firing of a ship's gun, if its characteristics are comparable with the capabilities of the ERLC, which can replace it.

Approximately in the same vein, one can consider the use of the Pantsir air defense missile system, but it is even easier with it, since its design has its own built-in radar, and the target designation capabilities of the ERLC will more than satisfy it.

Now let's pay attention to the aft group of one active horizontal and two passive vertical headlights remaining in the shade. Relatively high placed from the stern behind the antenna-mast device and the front of the superstructure, the ZRPK did not allow the horizontal antenna canvas with the dimensions of the side and bow dimensions to fit into the ship's design. Therefore, a mutually beneficial compromise had to be reached.

On the one hand, reducing the distance between the emitters (0,033 m, see the bottom two rows of the table) made it possible to reduce the dimensions of the horizontal array (width 6,336 m; height 0,528 m) with the same number of active PPMs (3072 pcs) and, as a result, place it higher similar products, which will positively affect the work on low-altitude targets and allows you to harmoniously fit into the overall architecture of the ship's superstructure with a single angle of inclination of the side surfaces of 12 degrees. In addition, the selected distance between the irradiators (0,033 m) is optimal for the calculated wavelength (0,066 m), which is in the middle of the ERLC operating frequency range.

But, on the other hand, the use of a shorter distance between the irradiators slightly increases the width of the radiation pattern, all other things being equal. To partially compensate for the negative impact on the operation of the aft group of PAR, the division and spacing into two sheets of vertical passive PAR (9 * 192 = 1 pieces each; width 728 m; height 0,297 m) with an increase in the total number of passive PM up to 6,336 3 units.

Therefore, in peacetime conditions, it is recommended that ERLC operate on longer fixed wavelengths available in the specified range (0,067–0,071 m), which are less susceptible to attenuation in the atmosphere. In a combat situation, when exposed to active interference, the mode of changing the carrier frequency of probing signals from pulse to pulse according to a random law is available over the entire width of the calculated range.


Now a little about the principle of construction and the prospect of ERLC.

The latest models of Aegis radars for the American destroyers DDG 51 of the Flight III version according to the classic scheme in four PAR AN / SPY-6 (V) 1 blades, a single-panel rotating array, designated as AN / SPY-6 (V) 2 for landing ships and aircraft carriers of the Nimitz type, and a radar with three fixed antenna arrays, designated AN/SPY-6(V)3 for aircraft carriers of the Ford type, are built using scalable radar modular assembly technology. Each module is essentially a stand-alone radar in a 2'x2'x2'-inch (131 cubic centimeter) box that can be combined into arrays of various sizes to solve any problem on any ship.

With the selected minimum distance between the irradiators of 0,033 meters, our electronics industry, led by Rosnano, can afford to make a single transceiver module in a box of 3,3x3,3x3,3 centimeters (36 cubic centimeters), and the third thickness parameter is absolutely not critical for the named module and can be both 5 and 6 centimeters. Individual modules are combined into technological arrays of twelve pieces in a housing with common power, control, cooling, etc. 36 cubic centimeters is only half the volume of an average smartphone, which is very close in functionality to a transceiver module.

The second half of the mobile phone volume is occupied by the screen, as a means of controlling and displaying information, and the battery, as a source of electricity. The best confirmation of the correctness of speculative reasoning about possibilities is the presence of a material sample embodied in metal. This is the aviation radar with HEADLIGHTS NO36 "Belka" with an antenna sheet size in the form of an ellipse of 0,7 * 0,9 meters, in which 1 PPMs are located, and an air target detection range of 526 kilometers in a not very convenient range from 400 to 8 GHz .

Summing up the intermediate total, we will record the following figures: the ship’s unified radar complex will include 12 anti-tank missiles and 288 anti-aircraft missiles, taking into account spare parts and accessories, we will round up to 11 thousand. This is more than on the American destroyer (616 in each of the four canvases). If the project succeeds, then we will need at least ten divisions of six ships (two divisions for each fleet, one for the flotilla and for Syria).

By the same principle, it is possible to build an ERLC for a corvette with a displacement of 2 tons. By changing the frequency range for a larger ship in the direction of increasing the wavelength, say, up to 500 cm (7,7 GHz), we get an increase in the span of the PAR antenna to 3,9 meters. For a 7,4 kiloton frigate with an 5 cm (8,8 GHz) ERLC band, a similar antenna would be no wider than 3,4 meters, which would not exceed half the width of its hull amidships. And this is the range of work "Aegis".

With this approach to equipping the ships of the fleet, instead of the existing zoo of radar stations and complexes, we will get a harmonious and flexible line of universal complexes for 3-4 ranges. The navy and industry will get rid of behind-the-scenes struggle and unhealthy protectionism, will come to a certain standardization and will be stably provided with long-term orders, which together will contribute to dynamic development.

Possible benefits of low modularity


To increase the anti-submarine capabilities of the small corvette, improve the anti-sabotage protection of the ship and make it possible to set up an anti-torpedo barrier, both for self-defense and to protect the transport, ship or submarine being escorted, it is proposed to install removable (overhead) six-barreled bombers on board. The principle of firing and combat use lies in the maximum simplicity and proven effectiveness of an additional fire weapon for destroying underwater targets in the form of depth charges.

Located on opposite sides or superstructure, two lines of 200-mm bombers with an installation slope of 12 degrees from the vertical are capable of firing depth charges at a distance of only 50 meters from the side. The flight time of the projectile in the air and the time it takes to reach a given depth during free immersion is easily established and reduced to the simplest tables during testing. But the essence of the increased effectiveness of the impact is achieved by the simultaneous detonation of all twelve ammunition.

The detonation time for each ammunition is set from the moment the first one is fired in a salvo and is determined only by the required immersion depth for the entire group. Everyone knows the increased destructive effect of high-explosive MLRS projectiles on an object that has fallen between oncoming shock waves from neighboring gaps. Approximately the same, only much worse, will happen with a submarine; firstly, the aquatic environment is much denser than air and practically incompressible, and secondly, all bombs in a salvo will explode simultaneously, and not with a gap, as in the example with the MLRS.

For clarity, consider a typical situation. Two ICPCs led by a corvette or frigate are searching for submarines in a given area. When a contact is detected, the nearest MCPC on the foot specifies the coordinates of the detected target in the active mode of the sonar, while the second MCPC moves to the detection area at high speed, receiving target designation along the way and specifying the target coordinates and its depth in real time. Passing over the target at a speed of 50 knots (about 90 km / h or 1,5 km / min), each ammunition is given a detonation time corresponding to the immersion depth, which starts counting from the first shot of the volley.

Thus, with a time gap between shots of just one second, we get two lines of depth charges spaced 100 meters apart on both sides of the ship with an interval between ammunition of 50 meters. A depth bomb with a caliber of 200 mm and a height of 750 mm easily carries a charge of 35 kilograms of explosives inside.

This is superior in destructive power to Soviet depth charges such as the RGB-12; RGB-25; RGB-60. And it is safe to say that not a single underwater object will be left without critical damage, being inside the perimeter of 100 by 250 meters or near it, with the simultaneous detonation of twelve such ammunition.

I would like to emphasize once again that this option for additional armament of a small corvette, reliable and simple as a “cobblestone of the proletariat”, is not always present on board, but will be installed when solving the assigned tasks to counter the underwater threat.

If you fight like an adult, realizing the full measure, degree, depth of preventing the impunity of an enemy submarine, then a nuclear filling from a 22-mm artillery shell is simply placed in the 152 liters of the internal volume of the alleged depth bomb. If, with the same parameters of the carrier’s movement, the indicated ammunition is dropped into the wake stream, then in a minute it will reach a depth of about 200 meters.

During this time, the Filin MKPK will retreat a decent 1,5 kilometers and, having a titanium hull flying above the surface of the water on hydrofoils, will practically not feel the impact of an underwater nuclear explosion. Well, the last of the “bearded boys of Dönitz”, having heard a single “splash” from the ship leaving at full speed, will have time to read the Orthodox prayer “Our Father” in a minute.

Taking into account the peculiarity of the operation of the Filin ICPV when searching for and attacking a submarine “like a helicopter”, it is advisable to develop a series of RGABs in a given caliber. The signals of the exposed buoys can be received both on board a pair of small corvettes, and on the leader of an anti-submarine search group in the form of a corvette or frigate - the carrier of a long-range and powerful anti-submarine guided weapons.

Developing the theme of modularity for the ship, it is worth noting that its autonomy in the standard configuration is very small due to the high power-to-weight ratio, and, consequently, the relatively small amount of fuel on board. It is one thing to patrol the area alone at the lowest speed from one diesel engine, it is quite another to play the role of a hound on parcels as part of an anti-submarine search group of ships in a large area.

In the anti-submarine version, replacing the ammunition load of four anti-ship missiles in launchers with fuel tanks would help increase fuel autonomy. With the dimensions of the launcher 469 × 89 × 99 centimeters, each can easily fit a tank of fuel of three cubic meters, of course, with the strict implementation of all the rules and fire safety requirements.

Thus, twelve cubic meters of fuel will give an increase of about ten percent to his standard supply on board. Such a solution is also applicable when the ship is relocated to a maximum distance not related to the direct performance of combat missions.

The same launchers for anti-ship missiles could also become the installation site for 2–4 transport and launch containers with 9M96E medium-range anti-aircraft guided missiles. Having on board the ERLC, comparable in capabilities to the system of the Polyment-Redut complex, it is unreasonable to neglect the expansion of long-range weapons for destroying the ship's air defense without trying to integrate one of the best military-industrial complex products of recent times into the ship's weapons system.

The inertial guidance system with radio correction in combination with the active radar seeker in the final flight segment of the 9M96E missile is capable of hitting both air and surface targets. And if the Kh-35 anti-ship missiles are capable of delivering a 145-kg warhead at a distance of up to 260 kilometers at subsonic speed, then in close combat with an enemy similar to itself, it may be much more important to be able to deliver 24 kg of explosives to a distance of 40 kilometers three times faster.

Systemic disadvantages of an unbuilt ship


Three-ruler (Mosin rifle), three-inch (a wide range of field, anti-aircraft and ship guns of the first half of the XNUMXth century) - who has not heard chilling stories about one cartridge or clip for a rifle and the shell shortage of the Russian army in the First World War or during the second defense of Sevastopol?

Initially, the vicious orientation of calibers to Entente standards in lines and inches cost the tsarist and then the Red Army hundreds of thousands, and maybe millions of dead young healthy fighters, who still haunt the country like a nightmare in the form of demographic failures of the Russian population. A second grader who has begun to “pass by” the calculation of three-digit numbers will suspect an error in a set of numbers that is abstract for him:

45–57–76,2–100–130 (78,9–74,8–76,2–76,9 %).

And even intellectuals from the TNT channel will intuitively choose the following sequence from the two proposed options:

45–57–75–100– 130 (78,9–76–75–76,9 %)

(in parentheses is the percentage of the previous caliber to the next one).

Only the ossified naval traditions in the form of useless caps, flared trousers and three-inch guns, which it is high time to break over the knee, will continue to embody the ostentatious power of the Russian fleet created for the parade spectacle. If the air defense forces and the ground army, after the shame of the flight of Matthias Rust and the defeat in the Chechen campaign with a creak, but drew the right conclusions and worked on the mistakes, then the fleet probably needs to shoot the millionth stock of three-inch shots stored since the First and Second world wars.

The change of caliber is not just a bold step, it is a step into the future. Here and now, the new 75-mm gun will require intelligent ammunition, created on the basis of accumulated knowledge, modern technologies and the realities of XNUMXst century naval combat.
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  1. +2
    7 October 2022 05: 33
    I hope that most readers understand the impossibility of returning to equipping the warships of the Russian fleet with power plants based on Ukrainian-made gas turbines.

    If I understand anything in anything, no one is going to leave Nikolaev under Bandera's rule. Another thing, it will become of them, when they withdraw, they will try to blow up the buildings of Zoryamashproekt into rubble. Whether this can be prevented, and at what cost, is not clear, but if possible, then it is necessary. They were built from the union budget, and by no means from the local or republican one, and under the USSR it was an enterprise of union subordination, which means that it should belong to the Russian Federation, as the assignee of the USSR.
  2. +2
    7 October 2022 05: 42
    I don’t understand much about the radar, but the concept of the radio horizon is familiar to me, but the author doesn’t seem to, or he ignores it. So, with a target height of 100 m and an antenna height of 15 m, the detection range is no more than 60 km. But these are particulars.
    The fundamental mistake is elsewhere. Hydrofoils do not give a fundamental increase in speed even on calm water, not to mention the excitement (by the way, small). There will be no advantage over conventional NCs.
    In general, the ship is incredibly expensive for its displacement, even in a purely shock version it turns out to be simply toothless, the PC will not be allowed to use the GAS even at low speed, the impossibility of using a powerful air defense system (hull dimensions) will not allow it to be used as an air defense ship.
    Whether it's an ekranoplan!
    1. +11
      7 October 2022 07: 48
      Whether it's an ekranoplan!

      Damn, they started the comment so well ... "There will be no advantage over conventional NKs"
      And they finished with an ekranoplan.
      Both hydrofoils and the ekranoplan are neither a candle to God nor a poker to hell.
      Clueless throwing between an ordinary ship and an ordinary plane. Do this and that - a normal boat and a normal plane. And tie into a single system.
      1. AUL
        +6
        7 October 2022 08: 13
        The article resembles a student coursework, for a solid four.
        1. +6
          7 October 2022 08: 33
          The article resembles a student coursework, for a solid four.

          For three. It is not clear why the classic inch caliber did not please the author? Just because the adversary switched to metric?
        2. 0
          2 December 2022 05: 18
          I would only give three.

          After comparing the strength of titanium (and what kind of alloy, does the author know that "titanium" is different?) with "pure iron" you can not read further.

          For "impure iron", the limits, as far as I remember from the strength of materials, may differ by a factor of three.
          1. 0
            27 December 2022 21: 00
            After comparing the strength of titanium (and what kind of alloy, does the author know that "titanium" is different?) with "pure iron" you can not read further.

            I was also a little shocked by this phrase, the author of this project is not an engineer and does not have a proper technical education.
            An alloy of iron and carbon is called steel, if alloying additives (chromium, nickel, vanadium, manganese, etc.) are added, then this is alloyed steel, if more than 12 ... 16% chromium, then this is stainless steel.
            Titanium in almost "pure" form is referred to in the technique of VT1-0, it is used only in mechanically unloaded parts.
            Both steel and titanium alloys differ in their ability to withstand mechanical loads at times, depending on the composition and heat treatment, but in principle, both carbon / alloy steel and titanium alloys (VT6 ... VT21) are close in mechanical strength, but titanium alloys are two times lighter than steel, absolutely chemically inert (forget about titanium galvanic couples, this is a myth), absolutely non-magnetic. Titanium, of course, is more expensive than steel, but in general, the use of titanium alloys in ships is a very sound idea, but the question of the appropriateness of choosing a material is very complicated and I would not trust the author with his level of knowledge.
            Deuce.
      2. +1
        7 October 2022 08: 14
        Quote: dauria
        Both hydrofoils and the ekranoplan are neither a candle to God nor a poker to hell.

        Here and there, PC two-fold increase (maximum without excitement) screen: 10-fold - a fundamental increase in the speed of the ship. It is a ship, not a low-speed aircraft.
        1. +3
          7 October 2022 09: 51
          It is a ship, not a low-speed aircraft.

          You know, I admire Alekseev no less than you. As a designer and engineer. Moreover, a countryman .. He gracefully used the water-air interface for a hydrofoil and screen and off-screen flight for an ekranoplan. Without any rudders and electronic autopilots, it ensured the longitudinal stability of both the SPK and the ekranolet. The SPK wing does not dive or jump out of the water;
          But these are not ships - these are planes. For a simple reason - the required power-to-weight ratio kg per horse. It is aircraft, and therefore there will be neither the required displacement, nor ship materials, but the power plant is only of an aircraft type.
          Alekseev solved the problem, but in the end, all the work became just an experiment with a conclusion - the idea is futile with minimal practical meaning.
          1. +3
            7 October 2022 10: 05
            Quote: dauria
            It is aircraft, and therefore there will be neither the required displacement, nor ship materials, but the power plant is only of an aircraft type.

            EP "Lun" was made of aluminum SHIP alloys, carried a full range of SHIP radars and had strike weapons like much heavier ships. And for ten times the speed you have to pay something, by the way, almost all warships are forced to drag a pair and more expensive power plants, often gas turbines, ALWAYS, almost always in vain, think about it!
          2. 0
            7 October 2022 20: 35
            Alekseev solved the problem, but in the end, all the work became just an experiment with a conclusion - the idea is futile with minimal practical meaning.

            Well, you kind of repeated the words of the man who was No. 3 in the unspoken table of ranks ... screen people .... a very niche thing. And very cheap...
      3. -2
        8 October 2022 10: 56
        You don't understand something else! We need more chthonic machinery, the headquarters of the court general admirals have nothing to command. Yes, and there’s no money to cut the loot either, and I want a new dacha.
    2. +4
      7 October 2022 08: 55
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      A fundamental mistake in something else ..... In general, an incredibly expensive boat for its displacement ...

      Even in the Union, they realized that all these hydrofoils / airbags / ekranoplans, due to their complexity and high cost, cannot be a mass product. And the army always needs mass character, no matter what anyone says, both in the 20th century and in the 21st ...
      1. +1
        7 October 2022 09: 49
        Quote: Doccor18
        Even in the Union, they realized that all these hydrofoils / airbags / ekranoplans, due to their complexity and high cost, cannot be a mass product.
        EP was abandoned in the young state of the Russian Federation. Something like from the development of Soviet UAVs ...
      2. -1
        8 October 2022 10: 58
        As for hovercraft, it’s not necessary, the same Americans, almost by division, manage to land on them from a fishing rod. With all amplification.
        1. -1
          8 October 2022 11: 18
          I didn’t write about small DKVP, these ones are perfect for UDC. I meant RK 1239 and similar "monsters".
    3. +3
      7 October 2022 12: 23
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Hydrofoils do not give a fundamental increase in speed even on calm water, not to mention the excitement (by the way, small). There will be no advantage over conventional NCs.

      In 1985, after the end of the Soviet-Bulgarian exercises, the MPK "A. Kuhonovich" made a transition of 230 miles with a wave of 5 balls from Burgas to Sevastopol in 4 hours!
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Whether it's an ekranoplan!

      And what is the beauty of ekranoplanes?
      hi
      1. -2
        7 October 2022 14: 06
        Quote: Serg65
        In 1985, after the end of the Soviet-Bulgarian exercises, the MPK "A. Kuhonovich" made a transition of 230 miles with a wave of 5 balls from Burgas to Sevastopol in 4 hours!
        It's not that I don't believe it, but I would like a link to the state of the wings and hull after the transition, because 5 points is three meters of a wave.
        Quote: Serg65
        And what is the beauty of ekranoplanes?
        Specifically heavy. EP "Lun" with the same displacement as the IPC you mentioned, the same transition was carried out in an hour, i.e. five times faster, unlike the IPC, it had a full-fledged set of shipborne radars, could carry weapons not 16 tons but 24, had comparable autonomy and seaworthiness and cruising range, even air defense had a comparable one. Something like this. And taking into account titanium and the most powerful MPK engines, the cost was comparable, or even lower.
        1. +2
          10 October 2022 10: 21
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I would like a link to the state of the wings and hull after the transition

          laughing It's nice of course that you have a great opinion about me, but I did not have and do not have the 2nd form of admission!
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          points is three meters of a wave.

          It's two meters.
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          EP "Lun"

          Remembering your love for ekranoplanes, how do you see the military use of EP and where in the vastness of Russia they could be used?
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          even air defense had a comparable

          what Is 23mm sparky a comparable air defense?
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          taking into account titanium and the most powerful IPC engines, the cost was comparable, or even lower.

          And the fact that there is a big difference between them in the application does not bother you?
          And yes, I'm not a fan of the IPC on hydrofoils ... rather an adversary, but this is not from EP laughing
          I'm skeptical about EP! hi
          1. 0
            10 October 2022 14: 46
            Quote: Serg65
            It's nice of course that you have a great opinion about me, but I did not have and do not have the 2nd form of admission!
            Well, it's understandable, just a link to 5 points is uninformative, well, no, it's not. I mean, even 5 points could not be all the time, and the consequences could be noticeable.

            Quote: Serg65
            It's two meters.
            On average, at the peak of 2,5, but not three, I agree.

            Quote: Serg65
            Remembering your love for ekranoplanes, how do you see the military use of EP and where in the vastness of Russia they could be used?

            Yes, any that small warships have - attack, anti-submarine, even air defense, well, maybe except for minesweeping.
            Quote: Serg65
            Is 23mm sparky a comparable air defense?
            Quads, aft with the possibility of automatic guidance. Just don't miss out that the Lun had a full-fledged Pozitiv airborne radar - only under a different code and at least from helicopters it could simply break away, where the boat could only try to shoot back.

            Quote: Serg65
            And the fact that there is a big difference between them in the application does not bother you?
            So what? An underarmed blind boat costs the same as an extremely toothy ekranoplan - apparently it doesn’t bother you either. So why should I be embarrassed, especially knowing that heavy EPs were originally going to be developed as anti-submarines.

            Quote: Serg65
            And yes, I'm not a fan of the IPC on hydrofoils ... rather an adversary, but this is not from an EP laughing
            I'm skeptical about EP!
            You just don't know how to cook! wink
      2. +1
        7 October 2022 21: 55
        The ship was called - A. Kunakhovich, by the name of the project designer.
        1. +2
          10 October 2022 07: 26
          Quote: sibiryouk
          The ship was called - A. Kunakhovich, by the name of the project designer.

          Sorry! hi
  3. +3
    7 October 2022 05: 45
    Again, the mosquito fleet, but how much it is needed is a big question. Seaworthiness - 0, Air defense capabilities close to 0, Missile weapons can be replaced by land-based medium-range systems or coastal anti-ship systems
    So I don’t see the point in something like that, okay, when the INF Treaty was their existence was at least somehow justified, but now?
    1. +2
      7 October 2022 07: 04
      Quote from: User_neydobniu
      Again, the mosquito fleet, but how much it is needed is a big question.

      The Mosquito Fleet is strictly a small fleet, no large ships. But without small ships, even a large fleet is unbalanced.
  4. +1
    7 October 2022 07: 11
    . Approximately in the same vein, one can consider the use of the Pantsir air defense missile system, but it is even easier with it, since its design has its own built-in radar, and the target designation capabilities of the ERLC will more than satisfy it.


    No. No. And once again no. The shell is land. Made for sushi. The sea will not work. Take the dirk. Better reanimate Broadsword. At least in the version of Palma.

    Only ossified naval traditions in the form of useless caps, flared trousers ...


    And here the navy can straighten the face for someone ...
  5. 0
    7 October 2022 07: 33
    And there are cracks. Just cracks


    Rather, it is profitable to develop new aluminum alloys, ways to repair them, and spend titanium on naval aviation and anti-submarine helicopters and flying AWACS.
    1. +2
      7 October 2022 07: 46
      Aluminum alloys burn too vigorously - the Falklands War will not let you lie
    2. 0
      7 October 2022 20: 38
      That has already been developed, but not by us. More precisely, by us, but for them))) .... I don’t know about the cost, it’s not decently cheaper than titanium, judging by the use. Titanium and so there is where to spend.
      1. -1
        7 October 2022 22: 37
        Quote: frog
        That has already been developed, but not by us. More precisely, by us, but for them))) ....


        Then you can develop the same alloys but 2 generations - the path is trodden. And titanium will be required very soon by helicopters - now there is a generation change and helicopters are becoming ultra-fast, overtaking the old piston aircraft (like the SB-1 Defiant). It is important not to miss it, as happened in front of the drones.
        1. 0
          8 October 2022 07: 38
          Then you can develop the same alloys but 2 generations - the path is trodden

          Didn't guess. It is forbidden.
          And yet time has already been squandered, like drones and much more ....
  6. +2
    7 October 2022 07: 50
    In the article, we again see a stingy pseudo-efficient approach to warships. Save a ton of displacement, stick an extra gun, get a bonus.
    The titanium hull means that the dimensions will be severely limited and again there will be an ultra-dense layout and vulnerability, like on a lost cruiser. Meanwhile, we need relatively unsinkable ships with a large number of empty compartments between warheads. Each module should be able to fight autonomously, and the destruction of any combat object should not destroy the entire ship. It is advisable to use these empty compartments as landing cabins. The fact that there will be half as many weapons per ton of displacement is compensated by the increased survivability of the ship and the cheapness of the iron hull. 5 ten thousand ton ships are better than one thousand ton.
    Titanium hulls, on the other hand, must be justified by the presence of combat missions, where it is impossible to do without titanium. I don't see such problems.
  7. +3
    7 October 2022 08: 29
    I have read the article and want to express, without going into the technical details of projects and production, my point of view on the quotes given:
    Yes, during the period of the heyday of the Soviet naval power, the country could afford both nuclear submarine titanium Lira, and heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers with VTOL aircraft, and even the “Caspian monster”!

    Buying and processing 200 tons of titanium per year for the needs of the Russian fleet should not become an unbearable burden for the budget, given the current windfall profits from the sale of oil, gas and grain.

    It's time to decide on the sources of opportunities for the socialist USSR and market Russia. Without embellishing the realities, without masking the bestial grin of oligarchic capitalism.
    Why on earth should the state puzzle over the problems of buying Russian titanium - a metal mined and produced from the Russian subsoil, owned by the people, on the territory of Russia?
    Who still needed a legalized coup and for what purpose did it brightly highlight the NWO. It highlighted the inability of the state to find levers for effective management of the economy ...
    I assume that if a state with its proper institutions of power and functions is created within the boundaries of a certain territory, then the economy in the state should work for the benefit of ALL CITIZENS, performing the main function - ensuring the country's security.
    *****
    When some group of vile and slippery people begins to speculate on national interests and priorities, one should remember why the Cheka, GKO, SMERSH, GRU, as well as OBKhSS and many other organizations were created, and how they helped the country in the implementation of state programs and protection of the interests of the state.
    *****
    That is why in Russia 7 billion rubles are allocated for the production of electronics, and in the USA 20 billion dollars are allocated for the construction of a plant of a similar profile. That is why the cost of the yachts of Russian millionaires covers the cost of new Russian warships in the far sea zone.
    1. 0
      7 October 2022 09: 34
      As a result, we hear news like that, on the one hand, Zelenograd Micron is completing commissioning work on the chip production line using the 200 nm process technology, and, on the other hand, that Samsung is launching the 1,4 nm process technology this year.
  8. +2
    7 October 2022 09: 06
    Titanium hull, the boat will be more expensive than the guard. Plus, it is not repairable in field conditions, and not every shipyard has equipment for titanium melting. Yes, even only one shipyard in the Russian Federation can build, and that one is crammed with the construction of nuclear submarines,
    Hydrofoils, short range at economic speed. Seaworthiness and the ability to use weapons in waves is also no. That is, this ship will not be able to cover the deployment of strategic nuclear forces.
    And most importantly, the need for the Navy in such a ship is near zero, in the region of statistical error. Everything that such a corvette can do is faster, cheaper and better done by a helicopter / patrol aircraft.

    The Navy will be happy to accept an inexpensive mass-produced OVR corvette to replace the Albatross. Armament yes, similar, 76mm / Pantsyr / Package / Uranus / possibly a platform for drones / possibly RBU. But no such miracle.
  9. PPD
    +1
    7 October 2022 09: 28
    it becomes clear in modern realities the redundancy of the concept of a universal destroyer of the "Leader" type

    It becomes clear to whom? Auto RU?
    Did I miss something and the Leader for the Baltic was being developed?
    In secret, we also have the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet.
    Our ships on the European theater of operations should go beyond the coastal air defense umbrella

    If you don’t go out for it, it’s better not to give mooring lines at all. And that’s not a fact. We remember our cruiser, and it doesn’t matter that most likely this is an internal fire.
    whose distinctive features are high speed,

    What for? To get high speed, you need fuel.
    A lot of.
    And don't forget the resource. And all sorts of "little things" like vibrations, etc.
    Plus, all this needs to be pushed into the displacement.
    Titanium has an incomparably higher anti-corrosion

    Concrete is also not bad - I give a forgotten idea from the past.
    In promoting a sober view of the obvious facts, it must be recognized that

    Rather, this is not propaganda of a sober look - if you look at these "ideas" soberly, you involuntarily want to drink.
    Or is this a "minute" of humor?
  10. +3
    7 October 2022 09: 37
    demiurg (valera), dear, I will correct you a little. We have a lot of shipyards, here are titanium welders on them ... In Nizhny Novgorod, St. Petersburg, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, there are still those who remember how nuclear submarines were built under the USSR, but how they were repaired ... Even under the USSR, welders on titanium for space or nuclear power plants have never been sent on a business trip to the enterprises of the Minsudprom. How to strengthen personnel today in case of failure to meet deadlines at some enterprise? That's right - no way ... Although not a single new nuclear submarine was delivered to the Russian Federation on schedule, but the heads of enterprises and their deputies - with departmental and state awards, it's scary to talk about the size of the awards ...
  11. +4
    7 October 2022 12: 06
    I read the article and understood only one thing, Dmitry Fedorovich had already died a long time ago, but his work lives on!
    1. -1
      7 October 2022 20: 42
      Jigsaws, like shovels, should not be idle. Well, it’s not an afftor to engage in love with this splendor, why not fantasize?
  12. -3
    7 October 2022 12: 41
    A titanium submarine was already being built. Didn't go. Come on, rocket boat! And what, we have this titanium, like shoe polish - at a shoe polish factory ...
  13. +1
    7 October 2022 13: 33
    A good and interesting article, "+" to the Author!
    However, I would like to solder a couple of bitter pills.

    a) That the role of the fleet in this very dangerous and heated conflict is not only minimal, but not significant. The launch of "Caliber", pinpoint landing operations. Undoubtedly, THIS will be taken into account in the coming years when distributing military budget funds among its participants - the fleet will occupy its third or fourth place after the Aerospace Forces, Ground Forces (RVSN). It is possible that even the fifth is because our passion for underwater monsters, apparently, has not gone away.
    Also, in addition to the fact that MOST MOSTLY the fleet will not receive a cardinal increase, the very view of the actions of the fleet will also undergo some changes - I will write about this in paragraph 3, but in addition to it, an important point will be the view of ships as floating platforms for launching URO.

    b) The sanctions pressure has not gone away, our income from foreign trade operations, contrary to bravado, has dipped a lot. The percentage of funds for defense may remain the same, but the numerical value, even if it remains the same in numbers, will undoubtedly sink in the equivalent, because no one has canceled the real inflation spurt. From these funds, we will have to make up for the costs of high-precision weapons in the current operation (even at the end of it), retired equipment, and spend money on expanding import substitution (according to the results of the analysis of our equipment, the enemy will unequivocally block our mass of supply channels for components). In this scenario, "titanium corps" I do not think that they will excite officials.

    c) Some time ago there was epic news filed with acc. fanfare - that Aeroflot in the coming years will form a "horse order" for 200+ domestic aircraft. Actually, given that our combat aviation will suffer losses in the NWO (which will need to be replenished), this plan will also suck up a significant part of our own titanium. Its price is predictably going to skyrocket.

    d) Regardless of how and when the NWO ends, our Defense Ministry will face the question of the general conformity of our current "hardening" to modern conventional warfare. Already here, the authors wrote a lot about the adequacy of our MBTs in the light of the emergence and development of threats of defeat, about UAVs, about infantry fighting vehicles, artillery, etc. Now this issue is somewhat obscured by the scale of what is happening - at the end, I think that it will be hellish hell (if there is a debriefing), and the entire focus of the authorities' attention will be taken by the land and air forces. The paragraph seems to repeat paragraph "a" - but there it's about means, and here it's about attention and priorities. Given the peculiarities of our bureaucracy, the FOCUS of attention has to be taken into account.

    e) The death of "Moskva" and the landing ship, most likely will form an idea of ​​​​the insufficiency of air defense of modern ships - which will quite possibly cause a bias in the types and sizes of those created.

    P / s In the current situation, I have more doubts that in the near. years in the direction of development of our surface fleet there will be some powerful progress. The development of the fleet in general for me is connected with the development and expansion of our economy in principle, the prerequisites for which I currently do not observe.
  14. 0
    7 October 2022 13: 52
    Of course, I am far from the topics of the sea, but immediately the question is, what is the seaworthiness of this unit? And how much will a titanium case cost? And in general, the article gives away some kind of manilovism.
    1. +2
      7 October 2022 21: 26
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      the article gives off some kind of manilovism.
      Yes
      The author is a great dreamer and visionary... on the theme of the fleet. He himself, judging by the article, did not serve in the Navy. He does not know the basics of shipbuilding, so he is forgiven. Nevertheless, let's try to bring some clarity to the pink "messages of our Manilov."
      1. Making IPCs (small hydrofoil corvettes) from titanium, in modern conditions, is the same as making artillery shells from gold, or platinum, for example. And they need at least 60 units: 10 divisions of 6 ships each ... At the same time, the author suggests proceeding from economic realities ...
      Rationale? – Titanium is light, strong, non-magnetic, not subject to corrosion. But ship steel also has such parameters as: yield strength, flexibility, elasticity, shape memory, etc.
      Titanium is very expensive and high-tech! Processing and welding in argon. And what about the repair? Where are the workshops and special equipment, qualified welders, technologists, scarce spare parts?
      It is not clear why the author associates the "non-magneticness" of titanium with the R / L visibility of the corvette? Well, for the TS, it’s understandable, but for the PLC?
      2. It is proposed to make a carbon fiber superstructure. "STEALTH!" No questions. But how to match a titanium hull with a polymer superstructure, when the hull "breathes" on the wave, and even in metal (special steel KA-25) cracks 10-15 cm wide appeared in the superstructure of the TAKR "Kiev" - this is unknown to him ...
      3. "The main advantage of a corvette is speed" ... Well, if so, then I know for sure that not a single NK has yet escaped from anti-ship missiles! Oh yes! He will be near the coast, under the protection of air defense and aviation bases, with constantly (24/7!) ERLC turned on high ... /Damn! So this is a gift for the RTR adversary and his PRL (PRR)! And you don’t need satellites: everything is readable anyway - who, where and what is doing. Beauty! If desired, you can also launch the AGM-84E ... to check who is faster, MKPV or Harpoon ... /
      4. Ignorance of the basics of TUZhK leads to the fact that 12 cubic meters of diesel fuel can (according to the author) be put into the X-35 launcher! (Well, take a solarium and pour double-barreled shotguns into the barrels!) At the same time, he does not care about the stability of the boat. 10t over the meteorological center... it's very annoying, especially during evolutions and a sharp change in the course of the corvette...
      5. The author has some kind of stupid mania to cram as many weapons as possible onto the ship. The Sokol carried only AK-176, AK-630, PK-10 and 2x4 TA in the stern. And here: and X-35U, + Pantsir-M, + 2X4 Package NK, + jamming complex (PK-10, everything needs to be installed). What about firing controls? Are they all going to be replaced by one BIUS? And it's all WEIGHTS and VOLUME. Therefore, you can’t fit into 500 coveted tons with all your desire! Consequently, the size and weight increase. We need a different energy ... This is again mass and weight ... And so on in a circle! Yes, there is M-90FR ... Are there gearboxes for new speakers ??? I remember the wailing of the ZEMCH of the 36th BrRKA about the speakers on the Bor and how they tumbled with them on the Samum ... And so - “Everything is fine, beautiful marquise! All is well, all is well!” (With)
      6. More. The article is overloaded with details on ERLC and its elements. It is felt that here the author is in his native element.
      And free advice.
      No need to compare the corvette with the RRC or 22350M. They have different tasks, different navigation areas and combat missions, completely different capabilities in terms of weapons, autonomy, and the degree of influence on the course and outcome of a sea battle. This is one.
      Second. You don’t need to “stuff” SBP from 152mm art into 22 liters from under the GB, which you invented. It's not ethical! Specialists of 12 GUMO may take offense at you for such a "lightweight" attitude towards their products!
      Other blunders are less significant, they can be omitted in the analysis.
      Best regards, hi .
  15. +2
    7 October 2022 15: 02
    For titanium and everything high-strength. "Old" materials have a certain and optimal ratio of relative strength (strength/weight) and rigidity. And the new ones have their own jokes. For example, fiberglass. The strength is huge. And there is no structural rigidity. We have to drive the thickness. CFRP and Kevlar are so strong and rigid that under dynamic loads, the stresses in them are enormous. The structure collapses with great strength. The Kevlar rope breaks on a jerk where the usual nylon is calmly pulled out. You have to push the thickness. But the design is still lighter. I can say for sure that the thickness of carbon fiber in an equivalent metal structure, for example, duralumin, is decently thicker.
    With titanium, everything is clear in aviation. Something strong, so as not to disperse in size. But even there, money is counted. Although, compared to other industries, aviation has collapsed from oak in terms of labor intensity in technology. At the same time, the most relatively strong aviation metals are silumins and lithium aluminum alloys. Also high strength steel. But for some reason everyone despise silumin.
    Why am I? Titanium in a submarine is understandable, the loads are stable there. And on the water, then one thing, then another, then the wave will gouge, then you yourself will crack the bottom of the water. There is a lot of strength, but you also need rigidity and resource. Drive thickness? Expensive in every way. Welding - only in a chamber with argon. recourse Repair again...
    We must count. Ideas are good, but they need to be substantiated. Maybe fiberglass with carbon fiber will be faster, cheaper and lighter. And mahanization with automation lends itself.
    It is necessary to count. Count.
    Dreaming, however, is also not harmful.
    Titanium, by the way, is on fire - dear mother!
    1. 0
      7 October 2022 16: 58
      I agree. Titanium is ductile, so titanium alloys are needed. And this is somewhat different. It was a personal experience. A titanium rod, instead of a stainless steel rod, was put into the airfoil set for testing in the wind tunnel. The profile under minimal load folded in half. And yes, titanium burns well.
      1. +1
        7 October 2022 18: 27
        There is a certain paradox here. If you don't get into it. Stainless steels are much stronger than conventional shipbuilding steels. But a competent boat - a boat or a yacht will be heavier from stainless steel. And if you make it easier, the sides will be dented right away. The yield strength of stainless steel is lower. And they deform earlier. The whole idea loses its meaning. The same racing yachts made of carbon fiber very quickly become unusable. Very, light, very strong, but under heavy loads they get tired very quickly. Etc.
        1. 0
          27 December 2022 20: 33
          Stainless steels are much stronger than conventional shipbuilding steels. But a competent boat - a boat or a yacht will be heavier from stainless steel. And if you make it easier, the sides will be dented right away. The yield strength of stainless steel is lower. And they deform earlier.

          Do not generalize, there are a lot of steel and stainless steel grades, what you write refers to food grade stainless steel 12X18H10T, but look at the characteristics, for example, 95X18 - you will be very surprised.
  16. TIR
    +3
    7 October 2022 16: 36
    So many calculations were carried out, but what lies on the surface was not seen. Where are workshops and equipment for titanium welding in Russia? Those capacities that were under the USSR in the manufacture of titanium submarines have long been lost in the holy 90s. Riveting the hull? So what's the point in a titanium case if it's riveted. And titanium is not boiled in an atmospheric environment. Where will we cook titanium cases, gentlemen, capitalists?
  17. -1
    7 October 2022 17: 09
    Fantasies without reality, it is necessary to master what has been mastered by the industry
  18. -1
    7 October 2022 17: 58
    How commentators worry about their homeland! This makes me happy! But at the same time, power - all power indulges traitors and thieves (and what else can they do?) Corrupt officials and the Russian oligarchy! Russia is not their homeland - a source of unlimited profit and plunder!
  19. IC
    -1
    7 October 2022 19: 27
    The author and many commentators completely ignore such main factors as economics and finance. We have not heard about the long-term stagnation of the economy, the decline in the living standards of the population, sanctions, technological backwardness, brain drain, etc.
    That's when the economy reaches the level of China or South Korea, then we can talk about the development of the Navy.
  20. +1
    7 October 2022 19: 40
    The author of the article is an engineer and simply gave out a lot of interesting solutions, he formalized his thoughts with high quality and thanks to him for that. And the fact that you can not agree with the proposals for that and the tribune is here :)
  21. -1
    7 October 2022 19: 43
    One hundred tons of this metal will be enough to make the hull and hydrofoils for the Russian corvette.
    Not enough. We need to make something out of it, but it is very difficult. Titanium is hard to work with, besides, the iron near it rusts (moor, and soon the pier will sink due to the fact that the piles have rotted). Where titanium can be dispensed with, it must be dispensed with.
    The mechanical strength of titanium is about twice that of pure iron, and almost six times that of aluminum.
    Well, yes, it remains to ensure the strength of the connections.
    The movement of a ship on hydrofoils is many times more economical than in a displacement mode, but the process of entering it is energy-consuming.
    Are you going to exploit it on the rivers? No. Then it doesn't fit. Do you want to look for submarines? Then it doesn't fit.
    If you want, then the ship should become a surface AWACS for all interested consumers of information about the air situation in the area of ​​​​its location and along the route, or, in other terminology, a radar patrol ship (CRLD).
    And it will not be a defenseless expensive major one, but a full-fledged warship, which you can risk.
    It flies too low for that. In addition, the radar described below is very expensive, and your corvette has little to protect it. An expensive boat will crash - that's the whole watch. And the author did not provide for a weapon that could realize the capabilities of such a radar on the ship.
    Of the rocket and artillery weapons, these are the “stealth” 76,2-mm gun mount AK-176 MA and the Pantsir-M anti-aircraft missile and gun system
    Has the shell already been seared? If not, then it will go blind due to moisture in the air and rot due to sea water.
    These are four light subsonic anti-ship missiles "Uranus" in inclined launchers
    Why not Caliber? With such and such a radar?
    Initially, the vicious orientation of calibers to Entente standards in lines and inches cost the tsarist and then the Red Army hundreds of thousands, and maybe millions of dead young healthy fighters, who still haunt the country like a nightmare in the form of demographic failures of the Russian population.
    I didn’t understand at all where the connection is between fractions of a millimeter in caliber and losses. They took a Western caliber so that they would not invent the shape of the projectile themselves and reduce the hassle with the use of imported machines in their production. What caused the loss? On the contrary, the chance of importing shells from behind the "hill" during the war increased.
    1. 0
      27 December 2022 20: 24
      Titanium is hard to work with, besides, the iron near it rusts (moor, and soon the pier will sink due to the fact that the piles have rotted).

      It is a widespread misconception that titanium does not form a galvanometer with any metal, since an oxide film always exists on its surface, which makes titanium products absolutely chemically neutral. I worked a lot with titanium parts that are assembled with steel parts and all this stuff works great in a well with salt solutions at high temperatures.
  22. 0
    7 October 2022 20: 39
    A very deep analysis of the topic "Small titanium on underwater". Studies of the level of profile KB. Here and TTX and TSN and TTO - in short, both the customer and the developer rolled into one. BUT, powerful and very informative, for which respect to the author. However, being somewhat in a professional topic, I note that the use of titanium in its pure form is not used. Only alloys, and this is not easy, because. there are aviation alloys, there are for nuclear submarines, there are constructional alloys for various applications, but it seems not for surface shipbuilding. There are no such structures in the West either. Firstly, it is expensive, and secondly, titanium and its alloys are a combustible thing, the infection burns and is very good. Structures are disgustingly welded, it bends badly, it pours badly, it seems like it is forged, but it is afraid of heating. Machining problems are not aluminum alloys. In general, a serious re-equipment of shipyards and a change in construction technology are required. Thirdly, there were such developments in the USSR, and research institutes and design bureaus specializing in shipbuilding were also engaged in this. The result - there are nuclear submarines with titanium hulls, but no NK. It also seems to me that it is still too early to write off aluminum alloys. In the Navy, aluminum was, is and will be, both with us and with them. New materials based on aluminum - on the march! By the way, there is enough information in open sources about armor-piercing, durability and strength of such structures. But, the study of the topic is still good! Thanks to the author!
    1. Eug
      +1
      11 October 2022 12: 36
      In aviation, there are layered materials - the so-called. prepregs. But - no maintainability, even
      large parts of them must be changed entirely. Whether this is realistic for ships - I don’t know, most likely, if it’s real, then for a rather narrow range of parts.
  23. 0
    8 October 2022 04: 18
    There was already a "goldfish", now they want to build "golden dolphins" ...
  24. Hog
    -1
    9 October 2022 15: 44
    Hello to the site alternathistory and its "fun" projects)
    That is the impression this article leaves behind.
  25. 0
    10 October 2022 11: 56
    TIR (Maxim), dear - SEVMASH is alive. Although, in addition to nuclear submarines, it also makes ice-resistant platforms for oil and gas production, but this is much better than repairing diesel locomotives for Russian Railways and stamping domers for houses, as with EBN ...
  26. 0
    13 October 2022 20: 51
    If I understand correctly, we are talking about the PDA "Sokol" produced by SZ "More".
    I have not heard that it was produced in series at other factories.
    The last "Falcon" in a state of 90% readiness, we cut into metal in the seventeenth year. Apparently there is such a need.
    Why is there a need for a titanium case?... request
    Only the wings were made of titanium.
    The AMG case has been and will be more than sufficient.
    All the more so to cook titanium! ... This is a whole epic ...
    Where can I get a turbine with gearboxes to the heap? There seemed to be two of them on the Falcon.
    The screw group there is very complex. Push-pull gondolas... Three! Six screws.
    On "Antares" there was a straight gross line. For two shafts / screws. Why did people like him more?
  27. 0
    10 December 2022 10: 46
    The author's logic is understandable and acceptable. The main thing is that the country stretches its legs along the clothes. The rest is details. It is a pity that instead of this, at the "Gulf", the Tatars from "Ak Bars" are sculpting on the state. new Mistral money, cat. well, not needed at all. There are no Navy transport ships, for example, according to the project developed by the Vympel Design Bureau, but for now we are transporting supplies to Syria on purchased old Turkish coffins (but under the flag of the Navy). It seems that in the GUK of the Navy, as in Prostokvashino, there is not enough intelligence.
  28. 0
    15 December 2022 14: 39
    Another wunderwaffle, the question is not how many nodes he will develop there, but where to get engines in commercial quantities, because you need at least 30 MPK yesterday, and not all your titanium crap with the energy of a frigate and another nuclear loaf, which will never be used anyway, in the amount of a couple of pieces.
  29. 0
    20 December 2022 21: 22
    No, well, we have competent argon welders counted on the fingers.
    And no one knows how to cook titanium at all. It's OK! Not a dog bolt. Titanium cook something however!..
    Yes, and painfully expensive vessel will be however.
    Architects in the USSR, probably, not having nothing to do, designed steamships - fast moves from AMG / AMC.
    We calculated the places of thickened sheets near the body, their thickness, etc. hi