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"Severe Challenge" to Israel and the United States

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While the whole world is watching the clashes of the Syrian military with armed rebels, in the Middle East region are taking measures related to maintaining the defense capability of one of the countries. Last Sunday, the 21 of October in Israel began joint exercises of the IDF and the American army called Austere Challenge-2012 (“Severe Challenge-2012”). It is worth noting that the commanders of the Israeli and American armed forces did not “tout” their plans too much, therefore, so far there is no detailed information about the training program and the exact number of military personnel and equipment involved.

"Severe Challenge" to Israel and the United States


Initially, Israel and the United States planned to conduct the “Stern Call-2012” exercise back in April of this year. However, for a number of reasons, probably organizational, the deadlines have shifted by six months. At the same time, the official reason for the transfer of the exercise was called tension in the region and unwillingness to provoke any unpleasant consequences of a military nature. In the light of recent events in the Middle East, such as the civil war in Syria or the constant controversy surrounding the Iranian issue, such official statements do not look strained and far-fetched. However, the time has passed, and the Middle East conflicts have not gone away. Therefore, the United States and Israel had to return to conducting joint exercises, no longer paying attention to the possible military and political consequences.

Probably, the American-Israeli approach to secrecy has become a kind of guarantee of the absence of a possible complication of the situation. Currently, only a tiny amount of information about the goals and program of the exercise has become public knowledge. First of all, it is known about the participation in the “Severe Call-2012” missile defense systems. At the same time, all levels of the existing system will work on educational objectives. Israeli missile defense is considered one of the best in the world and, according to available data, it protects the territory of the country from being fired by rockets of various classes and types that can only be used against the country. For a better understanding of the situation, the structure of the Israeli missile defense system and the prerequisites for its creation should be considered. The fact is that Israel is regularly subjected to shelling from the territory of neighboring Arab states. Before the creation of anti-missile systems, each such bombardment was accompanied by casualties and destruction, which ultimately led to the deployment of work to create missile launch detection systems and damage in flight.

Currently, the Israeli missile defense is organizationally and technically divided into four defense echelons. The first is capable of intercepting jet ammunition with a range of not more than 40 kilometers. The discovery and destruction of such targets is carried out by the Kipat Barzel (Iron Dome) complexes created by Rafael. One battery of such anti-missile systems is capable of covering an area of ​​about 150 square kilometers from a rocket attack. At the same time, the “Iron Dome” has one interesting feature characteristic of the entire Israeli missile defense system. Enemy rockets, first of all it concerns handicraft "Kassamov", etc. rocket ammunition, despite the fairly high efficiency of hitting targets, is not too demanding of production conditions. This allows them to be produced in sufficiently large quantities, and in addition, significantly reduces the cost of ready ammunition. At the same time, one rocket of the “Iron Dome” complex, according to various estimates, costs about 30 thousands of American dollars. It is quite obvious that an interceptor missile costs significantly more than an intercepted enemy missile. However, the command of the IDF and the leadership of the country came to the conclusion that this difference in price is more than offset by successful interceptions. The fact is that only compensation to residents who suffered during the shelling, cost the Israeli treasury an order of magnitude more expensive than the Iron Dome rocket. Thus, the Israelis of the two financial evils chose the lesser, and at the same time saved more than a dozen lives, not allowing the enemy missiles to achieve their goals.

The second echelon of the missile defense system is the Sharvit Ksamim (Magic Wand) complexes, also known as Kela David (The Truth of David). The task of the complexes developed by the Israeli firm Rafael and the American Raytheon is to destroy missiles with a range from 40 to 70 kilometers. The basic principles of the "Magic Wand" are similar to the "Iron Dome", but refined to match the combat missions associated with the greater range of the attacked missiles. At the same time, there was also an imbalance in the cost of the anti-missile system and the enemy’s munitions being hit. However, in this case, the destruction of missiles with a warhead of greater weight leads to even greater savings on savings objects and lives. The third and fourth echelons are equipped with the Hetz-2 and Hetz-3 complexes (Strela-2 and Strela-3, respectively), also created as a result of American-Israeli cooperation. This time, the developers of the missile defense system are the firms IAI (Israel) and Lockheed Martin (USA). The range of the third and fourth parts of the missile defense system exceeds 100 kilometers. It is worth noting that the fourth echelon in the form of complexes "Hetz-3" just entered service, the exercises "Severe Challenge-2012" will be the first serious case of their use.

On the American side, several Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems are taking part in the exercises. In addition, according to unverified information, several combat vehicles and missiles of the THAAD anti-ballistic missile defense system were delivered to Israel to participate in the “Stern Call-2012”. The fact of the presence of the latter is not confirmed by official sources. The same applies to the exemplary exercise program. From the stated information about the exercises, it is possible to present the goals and methods of anti-missile firing practice, but no more. For example, the type of missiles that are used as targets was not named.

And yet the veil of secrecy, despite all the efforts of the Israeli military, seems to have been ajar. And this was done by a country that has far from friendly relations with Israel. A few days ago, the IDF's air defense personnel discovered and destroyed an reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle. An analysis of the wreckage revealed that it was an Iranian-made drone used by Lebanese Hezbollah fighters. The presence of those who want to "spy" on the Israeli and American military does not look something surprising. Moreover, attempts to find out the neighbors' military secrets in this region have already become a peculiar tradition. According to official information, the Israelis were unable to establish what kind of information the intelligence UAV managed to collect. So, in the hands of Hezbollah, Lebanon, or Iran, there could be information about, for example, the exact location of anti-missile defense batteries. Naturally, such information can be used and, most likely, will be used for military or political purposes.

It is necessary to recognize that the secrecy regime established by the States and Israel is not an unnecessary measure. For Israel, missile defense is one of the main elements of security, so disclosing the details can harm the whole country. The relevance of secrecy and security is only increasing due to recent events in the Middle East. The desire of Iran or Lebanon to learn more, in turn, also has certain reasons. Take Iran as an example: in recent years, this country has embarked on creating its own ballistic missiles, which are the main target for the Israeli Strel, Magic Wands and Iron Domes. It is not surprising that Tehran will make attempts in one way or another, with its own hands or with someone’s help, to obtain information about the details of the Israeli defense. Knowing the location of anti-aircraft and anti-missile batteries, as well as representing their level of equipment and development, Iran can use deterrence tactics. For this, it is not even necessary to equip missiles with nuclear warheads.

In general, the exercises “Severe Challenge 2012” are useful not only for their direct participants. Of course, the Israeli and American military will gain positive experience and improve their skills. However, Iran’s likely adversary may receive useful information. With the proper level of radio engineering and aviation (unmanned) intelligence Tehran is able to collect enough data on the state of the Israeli missile defense. As a result, Israel and the United States, not wanting to help Iran, are forced to classify all the information and publish only the most general data on the progress of the current exercises. In particular, and for this reason, much of the attention in the Israeli media was given to the exercises “Turning Point-6”, which were being held simultaneously with the “Severe Challenge”. The rear service and rescue organizations are involved in these events. According to the scenario of the "Turning Point", on Sunday in Israel there were several moderate and strong seismic shocks, after which the country's coast was hit by a tsunami. It is noteworthy that civil defense exercises are given no less importance than missile defense training. According to the Minister of Defense of the Logistics A. Dichter, earthquakes, unlike missile attacks, always occur without warning. Therefore, the priority of the exercises "Turning Point-6" for the security of Israel is not lower than the priority of the "Cruel Call".


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  1. Voin sveta82
    Voin sveta82 23 October 2012 08: 06
    +2
    Amerikosy specifically increase tension near the borders ..)))) Damn ...
    1. alexng
      alexng 23 October 2012 08: 19
      +5
      And it won't save them. It was not figs to start the Arab spring and no matter how it turned into a "NATO winter" with frostbite of the limbs. Constant play on the verge of a foul, or even with direct fouls, will sooner or later work in the return line. You have to be an idiot not to understand this? Or they simply cannot stop until they flatten themselves against a fence or wall.
      1. aviator46
        aviator46 27 October 2012 22: 31
        +2
        The "Arab Spring" is a good way to weaken the "Islamic factor".
        I think mutual massacre is for a long time.
        Shiites, Sunnis, Salafists .... many Arab Mills will fall apart, reformatted on a religious basis.
        So everything is going "way" .... the creation of the "Arab Caliphate" in the near future to the world. does not threaten
    2. beech
      beech 23 October 2012 13: 48
      0
      it means they can conduct exercises in the territory of their country, we can’t even at home !!!!!
    3. andrei332809
      andrei332809 23 October 2012 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: Voin sveta82
      Damn it ...

      in my opinion, they already had a "challenge". but people feel sorry for them. because the leaders were once children too
    4. predator.2
      predator.2 23 October 2012 17: 52
      0
      And what is the red banner next to the Israeli and American flags?
  2. Trailer
    Trailer 23 October 2012 08: 46
    +5
    Still, the Jews are a nervous people! But, they care about their people so that God forbid everyone!

    And yet, if the big war begins, I think this defense will not help Jerusalem, because it will be stupidly taken in quantity. And the tales about the fact that paying compunitions are more expensive than launching an expensive missile defense, it seems to me stupid!
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 23 October 2012 15: 06
      0
      Quote: Karavan
      But, they care about their people so that God forbid everyone!

      That's right, just after the Russian exercises, the "triad" is carried out, as there in the article " First of all, it is known about the participation in the "Cruel Call 2012" missile defense systems. At the same time, all echelons of the existing system will work for educational purposes. The Israeli missile defense is considered one of the best in the world and, according to available data, provides protection for the country's territory from shelling with missiles of various classes and types that can only be used against the country"
      The best ones are the best, but doubts seem to gnaw, I hope, not in vain. And then there's this misunderstanding on June 7, with a UFO called Poplar ...
    2. Karish
      Karish 23 October 2012 23: 14
      +1
      Quote: Karavan
      And the tales about the fact that paying compunitions are more expensive than launching an expensive missile defense, it seems to me stupid!

      I will not crucify for a long time. about the amounts for the treatment of one wounded (I do not take into account property), hospitalization, treatment, disability and pensions, in case of death - compensation for children and benefits until they are 21 years old. They will cover these amounts ten times.
  3. Odessa
    Odessa 23 October 2012 10: 58
    +1
    Grammatically video.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 23 October 2012 14: 34
      +2
      Quote: Odessa
      Grammatically video.

      What is literate? Another campaign against the United States and Israel. There was no war in Libya, democracy in Iran, Israel sleeps and sees the destruction of Iran, Ahmadinidzhad darling, and Obama is a monster, etc.
      "Smolyanim" themselves will not understand whose side they are on, next time throw a link to the murdered Palestinian children, this is also a normal people hawala
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 23 October 2012 18: 50
        +5
        Rumata,
        What is literate? Another campaign against the United States and Israel.

        Have you learned a new word agitation? It contains a lot of details about it. It is necessary not only to look at the information presented, but it is advisable to connect the thought process when viewing it.
        "Smolyanim" themselves will not understand whose side they are on, next time throw a link to the murdered Palestinian children, this is also a normal people hawala

        I forgot to ask you what video to put. I don’t care what people like, because I have not forgotten how to think.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 23 October 2012 20: 00
          -4
          Quote: Odessa
          Have you learned a new word agitation? It contains a lot of details about it. It is necessary not only to look at the information presented, but it is advisable to connect the thought process when viewing it.

          Yeah, that is, if I fundamentally disagree with the nonsense in this "film", is it only because I didn't connect the thought process?
          Here, Israel appears as a panicist - a hysteric, the United States as a bloodthirsty destroyer of countries, Iran is a glorious democratic republic with a smart leader and mega-technologies (as much as 10th in the world in nanotechnology), and Sarkozy works for the State Department.
          I don't see any literate things in this film, except for the "conspiracy theory" with the participation of the United States licked from all sides.
          You posted about 15 different clips on the site today, and I got into this because I think the film is nonsense. But you actually consider Israel a hysterical country wishing to destroy Iran, agree that sanctions against nuclear weapons should be introduced against Israel, etc.
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 23 October 2012 20: 12
            +5
            Rumata,
            Here, Israel appears as a panicist - a hysteric, the United States as a bloodthirsty destroyer of countries, Iran is a glorious democratic republic with a smart leader and mega-technologies (as much as 10th in the world in nanotechnology), and Sarkozy works for the State Department.
            I don't see any literate things in this film, except for the "conspiracy theory" with the participation of the United States licked from all sides.
            You posted about 15 different clips on the site today, and I got into this because I think the film is nonsense. But you actually consider Israel a hysterical country wishing to destroy Iran, agree that sanctions against nuclear weapons should be introduced against Israel, etc.

            Stop flogging the balcony. Do not like it, don’t force you. The Israeli patriot Rumat with the flag of Lebanon. Be a friend, fly by! hi
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 23 October 2012 20: 48
              -3
              Quote: Odessa
              Stop flogging the balcony. Do not like it, don’t force you. The Israeli patriot Rumat with the flag of Lebanon. Be a friend, fly by!

              You don't even know where my avatar comes from, how far you need to be far from what is happening in Israel in order to call the symbol of the Golani infantry brigade, the flag of Lebanon, even 2-year-old children know it. This is not the first time that you show a complete lack of knowledge of what is happening and how Israel lives, or you are here for a couple of months, or an old woman from a hostel who will not distinguish between Eud Banai and Zohar Argov ... Lebanese flag, I'm really surprised ...
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 23 October 2012 20: 52
                0
                Rumata,
                You don't even know where my avatar comes from, how far you need to be far from what is happening in Israel to name the symbol of the Golani infantry brigade, the flag of Lebanon, even 2-year-old children know it.

                She didn’t.
                This is not the first time you are showing complete non-knowledge of what is happening and what Israel lives like, or you’ve been here a couple of months, or an old woman from a hostel who doesn’t distinguish Eud Banay from Zohar Argov ... Lebanese flag, I'm really surprised ...

                good thin trolling failed!
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 23 October 2012 20: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: Odessa
                  She didn’t.

                  Oh well
                  1. Odessa
                    Odessa 23 October 2012 21: 14
                    0
                    Rumata,
                    Oh well

                    Wildebeest wildebeest, give you one? belay
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 23 October 2012 23: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Odessa
                      Bagels wildebeest, give you one

                      Esther, you live in Israel, behave intelligently.
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 23 October 2012 23: 42
                      +2
                      Israeli internecine?))))))))
                2. Karish
                  Karish 23 October 2012 23: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Odessa
                  She didn’t.

                  nothing, not the first time wassat

                  Quote: Odessa
                  thin trolling failed!

                  Yes, and the same fat.
              2. irkut2000
                irkut2000 24 October 2012 16: 03
                0
                even the Zionists stole the flag.
                In
            2. Karish
              Karish 23 October 2012 23: 21
              0
              Quote: Odessa
              Israeli patriot Rumat with the flag of Lebanon. Be a friend, fly by!

              What is the flag of Lebanon? Esther you that. This is the symbolism of the Golani brigade (you yourself know), but you probably wanted to touch it.
              The emblem of the brigade is a green olive tree with roots on a yellow background. Green and yellow are the colors of the meadows of the Golan Heights, where the team was originally deployed. The olive tree is known for its strong roots that penetrate deep and cling tenaciously to the soil. It is a symbol of the brigade’s strong connection with the historical heritage of Israel. The yellow background is a reminder of the role that the team played in the 1948 war in the south of the country, where it stormed the country's southernmost city - Eilat. The brigade's first soldiers were Jewish peasants and recent immigrants. The brown berets of the military personnel symbolize the land of Israel - in their color they differ sharply from the bright colors of the berets of the military of other infantry brigades of the Israeli army (purple, bright green, red). The brigade received its berets as a meritorious service for its special forces company - special forces (Sayeret Golani) during a hostage rescue operation at Entebbe Airport, Uganda (1976).
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 23 October 2012 23: 31
                -1
                Karish,
                Golani flew out of my head, but Givati bully good
                1. Karish
                  Karish 24 October 2012 12: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Odessa
                  but Givati

                  and this again Golani, chevron Givati ​​another
              2. Rumata
                Rumata 24 October 2012 01: 15
                +3
                Quote: Karish
                Olive Tree

                Olive, but very similar to oak =)
                The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense =)
            3. hypnosis
              hypnosis 23 October 2012 23: 34
              -2
              Hysterical, sorry for directness winked
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 23 October 2012 23: 40
                +1
                hypnosis,
                Hysterical, sorry for directness

                Drunk neurosthenic, I'm sorry! hi
                1. graphite
                  graphite 24 October 2012 00: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Odessa
                  Drunk neurosthenic, I'm sorry!

                  Again harsh everyday life.))) hi
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 23 October 2012 20: 38
            +10
            Quote: Rumata
            consider Israel a hysterical country wishing to destroy Iran,
            Israel is not a hysterical man. He is a cold-blooded and cynical cuckoo-killer and in order to survive in someone else's nest, he will shout as much as he wants for a long time until they kill a bald eagle and shake everyone around.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 23 October 2012 20: 50
              -8
              Quote: cherkas.oe
              Israel is not a hysterical man. He is a cold-blooded and cynical cuckoo-killer and in order to survive in someone else's nest, he will shout as much as he wants for a long time until they kill a bald eagle and shake everyone around.

            2. Hug
              Hug 26 June 2013 03: 22
              0
              cherkas.oe

              Israel is not a hysterical man; he is a cold-blooded and cynical cuckoo-killer ...


              Polish playwright Slavomir Marožek: “It’s hard for me to consider you a partner in the discussion - you have hallucinations.”
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 23 October 2012 23: 39
          +1
          Quote: Odessa
          I forgot to ask you what video to put. I don’t care what people like, because I have not forgotten how to think.

          Hi Esther!
          What struck this is that even children are trained very well for extreme situations!
          A big plus for those who do this business!
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 23 October 2012 23: 45
            +3
            Yarbay,
            Hi Alibek!
            What struck this is that even children are trained very well for extreme situations!

            This is one of the frequently fired areas, therefore it is trained. With the sound of a siren, we immediately move out to shelter. This is relaxing in Haifa District, and of course it’s not fun there, but people are already used to it.
            A big plus for those who do this business!

            The rear service periodically includes training sirens, and briefings, etc.
      2. irkut2000
        irkut2000 24 October 2012 16: 01
        -2
        Against such rubbish as Israel and the camp, it’s not necessary to campaign, with this scum, and so everything is clear.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 24 October 2012 16: 41
          +1
          Quote: irkut2000
          Against such rubbish as Israel and the camp, it’s not necessary to campaign, with this scum, and so everything is clear.

          I didn’t understand what is the camp, the scum of Israel and some kind of camp? What are you speaking about?
    2. Karish
      Karish 23 October 2012 23: 17
      +1
      Quote: Odessa
      Grammatically video.

      Esther, if this video reflects your personal opinion, there is no problem. Everyone is free to believe in what he believes. But in my opinion complete nonsense and sucks that have nothing to do with reality. It's my opinion . Yours faithfully
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 23 October 2012 23: 28
        +4
        Karish,
        Esther, if this video reflects your personal opinion, no problem.

        So then what are you trying to comment on?
        Everyone is free to believe in what he believes.

        Yes, let it.
        But in my opinion complete nonsense and sucks that have nothing to do with reality.

        You’re very mistaken. By the way, the former director of the Mossad does not greatly welcome the bombing of reactors. But his interview with one of the Israeli newspapers was quickly hushed up, and this issue was not raised in the media anymore.
        I talked with my good friends, many agree that, in addition to life, they have nothing to lose in a retaliatory strike. And he will, silently, have nothing to do with folded arms, as can be seen from the video.
        So, if you consider this video delusional, the flag in your hands, this is your personal opinion, and I’m not going to argue with you. hi
        1. Karish
          Karish 23 October 2012 23: 55
          -3
          Quote: Odessa
          So then what are you trying to comment on?

          And why then put it, would twist on her luminoscope.
          Quote: Odessa
          Yes, let it.

          Taki, yes!
          Quote: Odessa
          You’re very mistaken. By the way, the former director of the Mossad does not greatly welcome the bombing of reactors. But his interview with one of the Israeli newspapers was quickly hushed up, and this issue was not raised in the media anymore.

          Esther, a polemic in his interview, lasted for 5 days. including news releases. By the way, Diskin (if you know who Gaby Ashkenazi is and who supported him the same) But the decision is made by the Head of Government, so that their business is carried out. By the way, Esther, as with Hebrew, as You write such things as if you never watch the news. neither read newspapers.?

          Quote: Odessa
          I talked with my good friends, many agree that, in addition to life, they have nothing to lose with a retaliatory strike

          In general, I have, have an apartment, 3 - and cars, children. Is your friend a lonely homeless person living under a bridge?
          Quote: Odessa
          And he will, Ahminejan silently, do not intend to sit back, as can be seen from the video.

          Esther, run, because war here with an enviable frequency. By the way, what holds you here? Arab husband?

          Quote: Odessa
          So, if you think this video is crazy, the flag is in your hands, this is your personal opinion, and I’m not going to argue with you

          Thank you, I respect your opinion, although I strongly disagree. hi
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 24 October 2012 00: 07
            +3
            Karish,
            And why then put it, would twist on her luminoscope.

            Twenty five again, I liked this video.
            By the way good as you called a YouTube filmoscope wassat
            In general, I have, have an apartment, 3 - and cars, children. Is your friend a lonely homeless person living under a bridge?

            You are rude!
            By the way, Diskin (if you know who he is and Gaby Ashkenazi supported him the same)

            Wow, I know for sure who Ashkenazi is, the former chief of the General Staff who makes his way into big politics, but one problem, he and Barak do not get along very well, etc. So your causticity is out of place here!
            Esther, run, because war here with an enviable frequency. By the way, what holds you here? Arab husband?

            Shut your mouth and run yourself wherever you want, you don’t troll, you suffer from nonsense. And your Arab husband, you clowned and wrote and doesn’t know what he writes.
            1. Karish
              Karish 24 October 2012 12: 46
              +2
              Quote: Odessa
              You are rude!

              Esther, you can say, you boor, in principle, the same thing, but it sounds more culturally, especially from the lips of a woman laughing
              Quote: Odessa
              Wow, I adornly know who Ashkenazi is, the former chief of the General Staff

              Well, first of all, the leader is either in the Chinese Communist Party or in Korea, there is their whole dynasty, IN THE GENERAL STAFF - THE CHIEF. Ashkenazi's position is the STAFF, but I asked you about Diskin laughing , like you with (Avanat ha nikra?) with an understanding of the text read (if in Russian)
              Quote: Odessa
              Shut your mouth

              When referring to strangers, they say - Close your mouth, for a woman and even more so for a Jew (judging by the name). You are strikingly not brought up.
              Quote: Odessa
              And you have an Arab husband

              You have Esther, YOU.

              Quote: Odessa
              Golani flew out of my head, but Givati

              Something is still wrong with you, Esther. YOU say, but Givati, and put the Golani video (it even says GOLANI) How do you understand? Hebrew Katan, do not understand? Golani's words went - how is it?
              Quote: Odessa
              This is us in the Haifa District on relaxed, and there, of course, not fun, but people are already used to it.

              Strange, Haifa somehow didn’t relax in Lebanon, it’s silence in your village. They didn’t shoot at their own people.
              Quote: Odessa
              That's right, with such steepness and ambition, and then

              I understand that all your relatives in the husband would have wanted so, but not fate.
              Esther, I have been living here for a very long time and can read between the lines. Niodin the Jew will not want his country, what if you wish. I don’t understand what keeps you here? The world is big and you need to live where you like, all the same you do not consider this country yours. I in no way persecute you, it’s just not clear. I have 4 citizenships, but my country is here and I live here. Maybe I do not quite agree with the policies of this or that Prime Minister, but to the country (Unlike you) I only wish good.
              So husband, still an Arab. It is hard to live Esther, when neither here nor there. And they will not understand their own and they will not accept. Sincerely . Good luck.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 24 October 2012 01: 22
          +1
          Quote: Odessa
          So, if you consider this video delusional, the flag in your hands, this is your personal opinion, and I’m not going to argue with you.


          Esther, apparently you have a haunting concept in Israel. "War with little blood on foreign territory"? What happens later but already by the law of a falling sandwich is well known. (For the slow-witted - face in the mud)


          1. Odessa
            Odessa 24 October 2012 02: 13
            +2
            Ascetic,
            That's right, with such steepness and ambition, and then negative
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 24 October 2012 00: 05
        +3
        Quote: Karish
        erased, if this video reflects your personal opinion, there is no problem. Everyone is free to believe in what he believes. But in my opinion complete nonsense and sucks that have nothing to do with reality. It's my opinion . Yours faithfully

        Hi Sanya !!
        You know, of course, Iran can not be compared with Israel or the United States in technology !!
        If there is just a bombing, of course, Iran will not stand it!
        But if there is a ground operation, then there will be worse than Afghanistan!
        you understand there is an idea and there are those who represent this idea and they basically lead a right lifestyle !!
        1. Karish
          Karish 24 October 2012 15: 20
          +1
          Hello Alibek !!!!! How's it going ?
          Quote: Yarbay
          But if there is a ground operation, then there will be worse than Afghanistan!

          Alibek, there will be no ground operation, certain areas of the state will be introduced in the Middle Ages (destroying infrastructure). No more . In Iraq, the reactor was stolen at one time, and that was almost all over. Destroyed infrastructure in the presence of sanctions, people will do the rest, or think everything as one to rally behind the ayatollahs. At the first stage, yes, then questions will begin. The gradual increase in oil production by the Gulf countries compensates for the loss of Iran. Not everything is done quickly.
          All this Iranian boasting about the nomenclature of armaments is ridiculous. Whatever they release, they will do nothing against the Air Force. Even taking into account that (if you suddenly get the S-300). Different levels. Yes, and if we take all the past US companies, maybe they later got bogged down in partisanism, but the initial rout was quick and with minimal losses. The American army is monstrously strong and there is no equal to it on the planet right now. (I do not take nuclear components) In terms of combat readiness, preparedness, resources, technologies and reserve. The whole world just nervously smokes on the sidelines. Therefore, measuring the United States and Iran is stupid. The whole question (if the war starts) what will be the losses in America (the defeat of Iran will be anyway). But America has come to terms with this. Public opinion is against Iran, and the lives of soldiers - they have a hired army, so from all my conversations with them, I understood one thing. They are convinced that the army is a job where you can die, they receive money and know what they are doing.
          Quote: Yarbay
          you understand there is an idea and there are those who represent this idea and they basically lead a right lifestyle !!

          Yes, I generally have a good opinion about the people of Iran (both in general and about all others). Let them finish with the export of the Shiite revolution, live and get rich. Not with their Ryazan snout, but in the elite ranks (I mean claims to world hegemony).
          You know how odious they are. Maybe their leaders lead a correct and ascetic lifestyle, but if you recall, Hitler was also not generally noticeable in excesses (from the point of view of a beautiful life), and many vegetarians were simply cannibals (figuratively). chronicles, Hitler is just a good-natured person.
          How is the weather in Baku?
  4. 3 points from Ilyich
    3 points from Ilyich 23 October 2012 11: 52
    +2
    Such exercises, with the help of provocations (including from the territory of Turkey), may end with intervention in Syria.
    And the Israeli missile defense is not so good. I watched a documentary about Patriot a long time ago, so there are clear shots like a lot of missiles miss on the target and give statistics say 1-2 of 10 only fall. A friend also returned from there and told how they stuck in treason in the bunkers while Haifa bombed Hezbal
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 23 October 2012 13: 43
      0
      Quote: 3 points from Ilyich
      I watched a long time ago about Patriot

      What does the Patriot have to do with it? And to draw conclusions about a 4-echelon missile defense system, based on a documentary that was watched a long time ago, is cool.
      Quote: 3 points from Ilyich
      A friend also returned from there and told how they stuck in treason in the bunkers while Haifa bombed Hezbal

      That is, to drive the civilian population out of harm's way, to dive into bunkers? In such a situation, you probably would have taken the children to school and the kindergartens would not have "nagged". =) Only a couple of rockets fell in Haifa, and all the same, they not only lowered everyone into bunkers, but also had bunkers for 300 people ...
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 23 October 2012 23: 01
        +3
        Quote: Rumata
        What does the Patriot have to do with it? And to draw conclusions about a 4-echelon missile defense system, based on a documentary that was watched a long time ago, is cool.


        The main objective of the Israeli missile defense system is the destruction of unguided missiles and mortar shells launched by Palestinians in the direction of Israeli cities located in the south of the country.
        The effectiveness of the "Iron Dome" in combat conditions (Rafal claims 90% of the capabilities of this system.
        As of March 12, 2012, since the beginning of 2012, 85 shelling and 185 missiles were carried out. Five wounded. 61 missiles were shot down by the missile defense system. According to the IDF Air Force, on March 12, "the Iron Dome air defense system intercepted 85% of the missiles that could reach populated areas in more than three days of rocket fire."
        For a year of operation, the system intercepted 93 missiles. But the system is not able to stop the artillery volley of hundreds of missiles. like any other in the world.
        Therefore, for Israel, it remains an urgent task to prevent a massive salvo shelling of its territory, when four divisions "Iron dome just do not cope with the shaft NURov.
        It should be borne in mind that Hezbollah is able to use rocket salvos, and not individual missiles, as in the case of the Palestinians from Gaza.
        But the point is not even the relative effectiveness or inefficiency of the Israeli missile defense system. The goal of the enemies of Israel is, first of all, to upset the normal course of life in the country as a result of massive rocket attacks. To this time Israel has no strategic solution to this problem
        1. igor67
          igor67 23 October 2012 23: 21
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          the task is to prevent massive salvo shelling of its territory,

          and hezbola and Hamas do not have multiple launch rocket systems. There are only home-made products and Egypt and Syria and Jordan for some reason it seems to me that they will not attack in the near future. Therefore, for now, it’s enough that there is
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 23 October 2012 23: 32
            +2
            Quote: igor67
            and hezbola and Hamas do not have multiple launch rocket systems. There are only home-made products and Egypt and Syria and Jordan for some reason it seems to me that they will not attack in the near future. Therefore, for now, it’s enough that there is


            There are few such systems. They don’t save on safety when comparing the cost of anti-missile cannons with self-made cash registers. Here the question is only about the number of missile defense batteries. That is, the creation of not only a multilevel missile defense system but also ECHELONATED which Israel does not have so far and there is ongoing debate about the need to create it, like we will defeat all enemies and it will not be needed ..
            1. igor67
              igor67 23 October 2012 23: 39
              +1
              Ascetic,
              it's hard to say. in 2006 more than 600 missiles fell officially on my city. my neighbor hung a sheet of paper and thought there were more explosions. most missiles hit the open area - roads. park. stadium. They promise a lot of things. if it happens, God forbid, let's see I hope to write it off laughing
        2. Karish
          Karish 23 October 2012 23: 29
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          For a year of operation, the system intercepted 93 missiles. But the system is not able to stop the artillery volley of hundreds of missiles. like any other in the world.

          She has her own tasks, to give people peace of mind, in a situation of daily shelling of 3, 5 missiles. And a volley of hundreds is a war, there are other methods. The iron dome. Will cover only strategic objects.
          Quote: Ascetic
          It should be borne in mind that Hezbollah is able to use missile salvos,

          Let them try. Something from the end of the second Lebanon, not a single missile from Hezbollah has been.
          Quote: Ascetic
          Until now, Israel has no strategic solution to this problem.

          There is a 100% guarantee against shelling, it’s easy to erase Gaza, but right there people like you and people like you will start yelling about the atrocities of the Zionists.
          1. igor67
            igor67 23 October 2012 23: 34
            +1
            Quote: Karish

            Let them try. Something from the end of the second Lebanon, not a single missile from Hezbollah has been.

            Sasha hi. Actually it was. That year or at the beginning of this. I’ll try to find if there are two or three missiles. Aha found--

            In northern Israel, at least three unguided rockets exploded. One of the explosions caused a major fire. According to reports, there are no fatalities and injuries. According to the Israeli military, the shelling was fought from Lebanese territory. In an official statement, Israeli authorities blamed the Lebanese leadership and armed forces for the incident, while Israeli artillery attacked alleged launchers, Euronews said.

            According to Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai, responsibility for shelling the north of the country lies with the Lebanese government. "Responsibility for the shelling lies with the Lebanese government, since it is it who is responsible for everything that happens within this country. For a long time it was quiet on the northern border, but it does not say anything. At any moment something can happen, and you should be prepared to action, "the Deputy Defense Minister said.

            Meanwhile, police and IDF units continue to search for the crash site of rockets fired from South Lebanon into Israel on the night of Tuesday November 29th. According to the website of the newspaper Haaretz, one of the missiles hit a large gas reservoir, which caused a massive fire, in which eight fire brigades are involved in extinguishing. Another "grad" (according to other sources, the shelling was carried out by Katyusha missiles), according to the military, exploded near the border, the third - in Kfar ha-Vradim. The place of the fall of the fourth missile is established. It is possible that the missiles launched by Hezbollah militants are designed to shift the attention of the Arab League from the problem of Syria, against which the Arabs have adopted tough sanctions, to Israel. At the same time, from the point of view of the Hezbollah terrorists (allies of the Syrian regime), this bombardment is also intended to be viewed as a warning to Israel in the event of its possible strike on nuclear facilities in Iran.



            ME-Journal.RU, November 29, 2011
            1. Karish
              Karish 23 October 2012 23: 45
              0
              Quote: igor67
              Sasha hi. Actually it was. That year or at the beginning of this. I’ll try to find if there are two or three missiles. Aha found--

              Hi Igoryanich, How are you?
              The shelling (a couple) was from the Palestinian groups of Lebanon, Hezbollah was the first to yell, it’s not us, we’ll figure it out, but that, you yourself answered,
              Quote: igor67
              It is possible that the missiles launched by Hezbollah militants are designed to shift the attention of the Arab League from the problem of Syria, against which the Arabs have adopted tough sanctions, to Israel. At the same time, from the point of view of the Hezbollah terrorists (allies of the Syrian regime), this bombardment is also intended to be viewed as a warning to Israel in the event of its possible strike on nuclear facilities in Iran.

              After some explanation on the 152 mm self-propelled gun, it was no longer repeated laughing
              1. igor67
                igor67 23 October 2012 23: 57
                0
                Karish,
                Quote: Karish
                After some explanation on the 152 mm self-propelled gun, it was no longer repeated

                well duck !!! after such a machin. and in general I look at the construction that the Lebanese deployed at the border. It’s unlikely that there would be military action. In 2006 there were several houses. They beat us from tanks. and now all villas
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 October 2012 01: 42
            +5
            Quote: Karish
            There is a 100% guarantee against shelling, it’s easy to erase Gaza, but right there people like you and people like you will start yelling about the atrocities of the Zionists.



            Pharaoh became ill and invited a Persian doctor. He looked at Pharaoh and said: "We must do an enema." Pharaoh was indignant: "How ?! I, Pharaoh, an enema ?!" The doctor says: “Yes. Pharaoh orders to hang him. They invited a Greek doctor. He looked at Pharaoh and said:“ We must put an enema. ”Pharaoh says:“ How ?! Me, Pharaoh, an enema !? "." Yes. "Pharaoh orders the doctor to quarter.
            And finally, a Jewish doctor was invited. He looked at the pharaoh and said:
            - You know, you still need to put an enema. Pharaoh is indignant: "How ?! I, Pharaoh, an enema !?" The doctor says, "No, to me." They gave the doctor an enema, after which the Pharaoh felt much better.
            And since then, as the Pharaohs feel bad, enemas are inserted into all Jews.
            laughing
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 24 October 2012 01: 49
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              And since then, as the Pharaohs feel bad, enemas are inserted into all Jews.

              laughing
        3. Rumata
          Rumata 24 October 2012 01: 32
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          The main task of the Israeli missile defense system is the destruction of unguided missiles

          The fact is that Kassam has been thrown at Israel for more than a year. This makes life very difficult for certain cities, but does not threaten the very existence of Israel. The main objective of missile defense is the destruction of medium and long-range missiles, since they can carry chemical or nuclear stuffing, which is much more dangerous for the very existence of the country. During the second Lebanese, almost 5000 rockets were fired and survived nothing. They will launch 10, we can handle it too, but nuclear weapons are really dangerous.
          Do not forget that they are also playing a game in Gaza, on the one hand, they do not stop keeping us tense so that the Arab sheikhs continue to give money. on the other, they do not make a full-blown attack for obvious reasons. Cast lead showed that if necessary, the IDF will return to Gaza without any problems.
          They "had" 20 militants, cities were prepared for defense, hundreds of tunnels, concrete firing positions, on the border of Gaza itself, almost every third house was mined. As a result, they were dispersed, having lost 000 soldiers, against 10 from their side.
          I saw this with my own eyes, they prepared very carefully, I didn’t see so many landmines in my life, only they weren’t preparing.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 October 2012 02: 37
            +2
            Quote: Rumata
            The main objective of missile defense is the destruction of medium and long-range missiles, since they can carry chemical or nuclear stuffing, which is much more dangerous for the very existence of the country.


            I do not argue. After all, Nov did not consider this level, it was only about the effectiveness and sufficiency of the Dome. Everything else raises many questions,
            The main ones are early detection and warning. synchronization and data transmission system and these are only the main basics of STRATEGIC ABM that you have such a feeling are left to the mercy of the United States, in fact, a foreign state pursuing its imperial policy and at any moment ready to "substitute" its "ally" under attack. Not a single strong and self-respecting country has such an attitude towards OWN security. And the fact that my conclusion is not far from the truth is just confirmed by the JOINT missile defense exercises of the United States and Israel in particular.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 24 October 2012 04: 08
              0
              You are somewhat mistaken. That was before a certain time.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 24 October 2012 13: 16
                +2
                Quote: Pimply

                You are somewhat mistaken. That was before a certain time.


                I do not pretend to be true, there are facts ... Does Israel have its own satellite system for global positioning? No .. there is an American GPS
                GLONASS station project under an agreement with Russia. What will you be attached to
                to synchronize the issuance of time frequencies for missile defense?
                And I already spoke in detail about the military satellite group earlier, I will not repeat myself, there is no continuous monitoring and warning in short. Plus, the government does not want to allocate the necessary 100 million dollars for these purposes. For tactical missile defense, this is not necessary, but the planned fourth level is against starting the RSD, and in the future, ICBMs are necessary.
                1. Karish
                  Karish 24 October 2012 15: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  I do not pretend to be true, there are facts ... Does Israel have its own satellite system for global positioning? No .. there is an American GPS

                  But somehow it seems to me that in case of war, they will not turn it off for us, by the way in Russia GLONASS is already in fully operational condition? And what if the war? gps not turn off?
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  What will you be attached to

                  We have the whole country, less than the Moscow region. We will bind to something, besides you think that besides gps? no other options? And how did they fight when there wasn’t her?
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  And I already spoke in detail about the military satellite group earlier, I will not repeat myself, there is no continuous monitoring and warning in short

                  Is.
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  For tactical missile defense, this is not necessary, but the planned fourth level is against starting the RSD, and in the future, ICBMs are necessary.

                  There is an American radar and an IJIS system on ships, our missile defense system is integrated into the American missile defense system. Or do you think that in the event of war, America will turn us off? You’re ridiculous right.
        4. Karish
          Karish 24 October 2012 15: 28
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          The goal of the enemies of Israel is, first of all, to upset the normal course of life in the country as a result of massive rocket attacks. Until now, Israel has no strategic solution to this problem.

          And who has it?
          The best in the world that has been created on this subject has been made by us.
          No one in the world has a 4-tier missile defense system. No one in the world has a warning system for areas of incidence (so as not to frighten people for nothing), SMS alerts, 24-hour monitoring of doctors' locations and automatic SMS sending (for arrival in the right hospital) in the event of a terrorist attack or war. You are never 100% ready for war, but in this sense, you are to us, as to the moon. With our sizes, having an unprepared rear is simply not permissible. Yours faithfully hi
  5. JonnyT
    JonnyT 23 October 2012 12: 14
    +1
    Getting ready to repel Iran’s missile attacks! 100% will hit him in the near future!
    1. Lucky
      Lucky 23 October 2012 15: 01
      0
      Not far off means war with Iran!
      1. Light source
        Light source 23 October 2012 21: 51
        +1
        I think they will strike after they get a "valuable object" in Azerbaijan.
  6. IRBIS
    IRBIS 23 October 2012 12: 23
    +1
    Aha! Now they will check their readiness to repel a missile strike ("Severe Challenge"), readiness to eliminate the consequences of such a strike ("Turning Point"), compare the results and make a final decision on all issues that have accumulated recently. The elections in the States will be held. It seems to me that the preparation for the world marasmus is entering the final stage. Although common sense can still change something. Hope so.
  7. bask
    bask 23 October 2012 13: 26
    +1
    That’s what it was required to prove. They are preparing a strike on Iran .... uki. With a full-scale invasion And they will leave Syria ,,, finish off, the Turks !!! Why Russia doesn’t post Syrian weapons and why the R. Navy is not in Tartus. what's happening?
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 23 October 2012 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: bask
      GDP, what's going on?

      GDP "Doesn't Drive Empty" - "Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who tried to persuade the Russian president to stop supporting the regime of Bashar al-Assad, faced a tough position of Vladimir Putin. Turkish newspaper Aydinlik quotes a transcript of a telephone conversation that took place on October 8 between Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin:
      Putin: "If at least one Turkish soldier crosses the Syrian border, Russia will react very harshly."
      Erdogan: "Is this a threat? This is unacceptable for us."
      Putin: "Think as you like, I have said my word."
      According to the newspaper, after these words, Erdogan simply hung up the phone, while some Syrian and Palestinian sources claim that Putin did it.
      A sharp aggravation of Turkish-Russian relations falls on October 10, after Ankara forced to board a board with 35 passengers, flying from Moscow Vnukovo Airport to Damascus.
      Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1584835.html#ixzz2A7Tl3zLi
    2. Allegedly
      Allegedly 23 October 2012 16: 13
      +2
      Dear bask! Not everything is so simple, sorry what Turks? There is such a people, the Gurkhs (these are a people of warriors, which people are few), they were once crushed and torn like a "Tuzik hot-water bottle" just because they were confused with the Turks (there was simply no fear of the Turks). Remember the famous phrase - "Brothers, so etozh the Turks" ... There are no complaints about Azerbaijanis, they are a bit different ethnic group, and I am not the only one who thinks so. The Turks love them, but they love them as a servant ... And they will never let them be equal ...
      1. bask
        bask 23 October 2012 21: 12
        0
        Allegedly, thanks for the info. But the essence of the matter does not change. America and Israel are jointly planning a strike on Iran. Syria is for them ((as they think)))) the passed stage. Therefore, they leave this dirty work for Turkey .. .
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 23 October 2012 23: 22
        +2
        Quote: JACOB
        There is such a people of gurkha (


        Gurkha (Gurkha) (English Gurkha) - British colonial troops recruited from Nepalese volunteers. They appeared in 1816. Gurkhas took part in the suppression of anti-colonial uprisings in India (Sikhs and sepoys) and in Afghanistan (1848). Gurkhas also fought in World War I against the enemies of Great Britain in the Middle East and France. During the Second World War, the Gurkhas fought in Africa, Southeast Asia and Italy. In 1982, the Gurkhas took part in the Falkland conflict. At present, the number of Gurkhas is 2500 soldiers and officers. Young men at least 17 years old can enter the English royal regiments. The minimum service life is 5 years. Gurkhas are distinguished by the strictest discipline, courage and loyalty to the oath.
        My webpage

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      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 23 October 2012 23: 47
        +2
        Quote: JACOB
        Dear bask! Not everything is so simple, forgive what Turks? There is such a people, the Gurkhs (these are a people of warriors, which people are few), they were once crushed and torn like a "Tuzik hot-water bottle" just because they were confused with the Turks (there was simply no fear of the Turks). Remember the famous phrase - "Brothers, so etozh Turks" ... There are no complaints about Azerbaijanis, they are a bit different ethnic group, and I am not the only one who thinks so. The Turks love them, but they love them as a servant ... And they will never let them be equal ..

        Quote: JACOB
        Dear bask! Not everything is so simple, forgive what Turks? There is such a people, the Gurkhs (these are a people of warriors, which people are few), they were once crushed and torn like a "Tuzik hot-water bottle" just because they were confused with the Turks (there was simply no fear of the Turks). Remember the famous phrase - "Brothers, so etozh Turks" ... There are no complaints about Azerbaijanis, they are a bit different ethnic group, and I am not the only one who thinks so. The Turks love them, but they love them as a servant ... And they will never let them be equal ..

        I didn’t find anything with which I could agree))))) !!
        Is that Gurkha, although they were very quickly torn !!
        I would not say that they are great warriors, they are simply genetically disciplined and faithful !!
        And since the people are small, there are not many undeveloped with these advantages!
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 24 October 2012 01: 39
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          , they are simply genetically disciplined and true !!

          ))) They have good knives. At home there is nothing special for the gurkham, there are only two options: either make these knives for souvenirs, or serve the British (the British are quite happy with this situation). I welcome you!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 24 October 2012 01: 44
            +1
            Quote: Arkan
            ))) They have good knives.

            Hi!
            You know, I have little faith in the so-called warrior nations !!
            Everything comes with experience, the more you fight, the more you can !!
            And the larger the number of people, the more vices are visible!
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 24 October 2012 01: 57
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              You know, I have little faith in the so-called warrior nations !!

              Yes, in the modern world this is already exotic, but in the past - peoples often lived in war. For example, Ossetians - people who came to the Caucasus as part of Tamerlane’s army, and even the same Cossacks ...
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 24 October 2012 02: 09
                +2
                Quote: Arkan
                Yes, in the modern world this is already exotic, but in the past - peoples often lived in war. For example, Ossetians - people who came to the Caucasus as part of Tamerlane’s army, and even the same Cossacks ...

                I do not agree with you here and adhere to the point of view of Ruslan !!
                I don’t want to talk about certain nations now - this can offend their representatives!
                but in the past for some tribes and peoples, the war was part of life because of the thirst for profit of their rulers and because of the assurance of their multiplicity and the possibility of victory!
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 24 October 2012 02: 27
                  +1
                  I hope I didn’t offend anyone remembering all the known historical fact.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  the war was part of life because of the thirst for profit of their rulers and because of the assurance of their multiplicity and the possibility of victory!

                  ))) Our views are largely similar, but I do not think that the cause of the vices is in the large number of people. A vivid example: China - there have always been a lot of Chinese, but I don’t remember a single aggressive war won by China, and it does not look more vicious than other countries. And another example: Haifa is a small state, in view of its inaccessibility, that traded for a long time by Russian slaves (for which it was destroyed as soon as the Russians were able to get to it). I think the main reason for the vices is impunity (or the illusion of impunity).
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 24 October 2012 02: 42
                    +1
                    The Chinese, due to their large numbers, have always been a very creeping nation, like cockroaches in a communal kitchen: once they came to get horseradish poisoned, and an example of capture is the accession of Tibet
                    1. Arkan
                      Arkan 24 October 2012 02: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      and an example of capture is the annexation of Tibet

                      Rather, it’s China’s internal disassembly during the construction of its state. Throughout this period, all nations have passed and are still passing by, and China itself has always been a victim of foreign aggression: nomads, Mongols, Japanese, British ...
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 24 October 2012 02: 03
              +2
              And here I do not agree: all the peoples who survived to this day have gone through wars and survived, which means they knew how not only to pi
            3. Arkan
              Arkan 24 October 2012 02: 08
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              And the larger the number of people, the more vices are visible!

              Here I probably disagree with you. Much depends on the leaders and their views on "good and evil", and people (as a rule) simply accept their morality.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 24 October 2012 02: 20
                +1
                If most people accept their morality, then it suits them, and this already says a lot, in 33 most in Germany they wanted to avenge the versailles and get living space at the expense of others, the result is known, but only after getting the teeth they started to think
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 24 October 2012 02: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  If most people accept their morality, then it suits them.

                  Yes, but the Germans in the 30s could not know what Hitler’s morality would lead them to, and they followed him ...
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 24 October 2012 02: 49
                    +1
                    Are you serious? Didn’t you even think that any of the peoples would not like the German order? don't consider the Germans a nation of idiots - they just overestimated their capabilities
                    1. Arkan
                      Arkan 24 October 2012 03: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      don't consider the Germans a nation of idiots - they just overestimated their capabilities

                      I have never considered the Germans and do not consider them idiots, but I will never be able to believe that German cooks, workers, 18-year-old soldiers in general could somehow "assess the possibilities" if only because they physically could not do it without having the information that Hitler, the General Staff, etc. had. Hitler won in Europe - this gave them confidence that he was right and they followed him (for the most part).
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 24 October 2012 02: 25
                +2
                Quote: Arkan
                Here I probably disagree with you. Much depends on the leaders and their views on "good and evil", and people (as a rule) simply accept their moral

                Then call me a large nation, so that there are no traitors, rapists or maniacs ???? not one two, but dozens ..
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 24 October 2012 02: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Then call me a large nation, so that there are no traitors, rapists or maniacs?

                  Perhaps I won't name it, neither big nor small - the world is not perfect. And, I repeat, a lot depends on the leaders and the morality they instilled in the people (and it may differ from mine or yours, including in the definition of the word "vice").
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 24 October 2012 02: 52
                    +2
                    here I agree with you, for example, for me the killing of American soldiers outside the United States is not a crime but sanitation of the territory
                    1. Arkan
                      Arkan 24 October 2012 03: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      killing American soldiers outside the usa is not a crime but sanitation

                      ))) Exactly. That there is only one thing that can stop the Jews from them - the inevitability of reimbursement. But, unfortunately, no one has yet instilled in them the idea of ​​the possibility of retaliation. This is where they go somewhere (as the Germans once followed Hitler).
                      1. Rumata
                        Rumata 24 October 2012 03: 24
                        -3
                        Quote: Arkan
                        So they go somewhere (as the Germans once followed Hitler).

                        I was promised a warm place in the ZOG, and part of the Alps into future possession, I always loved mountains, I will arrange a small feudal state, it will be super.
  8. wax
    wax 23 October 2012 13: 41
    0
    The flight of an Iranian drone to a nuclear facility in the Negev, showed that not only Iran’s nuclear program, but also Israel could be hit. Israel will be worse. Therefore, such detailed and secret joint exercises.
  9. YOUNG
    YOUNG 23 October 2012 14: 13
    +1
    Guys, everything is ready for them! Elections will be held, and it does NOT matter who becomes the president! The USA and Israel will deliver a massive blow to Iran, the fool is already clear!
    1. Lucky
      Lucky 23 October 2012 15: 02
      0
      Young, I agree with you, most likely it will be so, they will not make any more sense!
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 24 October 2012 02: 15
        +1
        I do not agree. If amers attack someone, then they always calculate the consequences, the likelihood of a negative set of circumstances and hundreds of other factors. All types of consequences can in principle be divided into three categories:

        1. collateral damage
        2. acceptable damage
        3. unacceptable damage

        One way or another, the meaning of the bottom line is reduced to its way of thinking, to hypocrisy, prudence and profit ...
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 24 October 2012 02: 18
          0
          I agree with you a thousandfold. Only with guaranteed success will the Yankees advance!
  10. 3 points from Ilyich
    3 points from Ilyich 23 October 2012 15: 10
    +1
    Rumata,
    Well, hiding or hiding, sitting out as you like, I did not mean cowardice (weakness), or as you thought there, I do not know. Missile defense reflected a very small number of missiles, this is evidenced by statistics for 2011, But what is the quality of defense today?
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 23 October 2012 15: 35
      -3
      Quote: 3 points from Ilyich
      Missile defense reflected a very small number of missiles, this is evidenced by statistics for 2011

      And how many ballistic missiles were launched in 2011 and how many were shot down? If you are talking about the Iron Dome, then the statistics there are very impressive. Even if we ignore the fact that there is nothing to compare with, since there are no such systems in service with other countries, the effectiveness of the Dome is quite high, especially if we take into account that it costs only 1 division.
      Z.Y
      Regarding the cost of the rocket against compensation, during the second Lebanon war, the damage was from 1 to 1.5 billion dollars. Even if you shoot down each of the launched missiles (that is, 30 times 000), the costs would be no more than 4000 million.
      1. Light source
        Light source 23 October 2012 21: 59
        0
        Stop comparing people with money.
        1. Karish
          Karish 23 October 2012 23: 31
          -2
          Quote: Source of Light
          Stop comparing people with money

          Similarly, people are more expensive.
          But not for everyone, as I see it. Therefore, do not believe that Israel is knocking down blanks for 100 bucks, anti-ballistic missiles for 30t bucks.
  11. Jin
    Jin 23 October 2012 16: 09
    +2
    Kneading will begin in Iran, gripping all the hoot ... In the north, it borders on the North Caucasus and Turkmenistan, and this is a problem. Slowly but surely, all this turbidity is rolling towards our borders.
  12. Arkan
    Arkan 23 October 2012 17: 12
    +2
    "" A severe challenge "to Israel and the United States" Some kind of pro-Jewish article. They saw that they were going to defend themselves ...
  13. Stasi.
    Stasi. 23 October 2012 17: 17
    +2
    That's right, the United States and Israel are preparing for a war with Iran. These missile defense exercises were launched to test Iran's readiness to intercept missiles. But the Iranian missiles are not primitive Palestinian Qassams, and even they cause a lot of trouble for the Israelis, since they are not always intercepted. Iran is not Yugoslavia, it will not allow itself to be submissively bombed and will respond toughly with all available means. Israel starting a war with Iran risks running into a repetition of the Yom Kippur War in 1972. Then the Jewish state was almost under the question of existence, and if it were not for the self-confidence of the Arabs, Israel would then have been defeated. Looking at the relations between the United States and Israel, one often asks the question: "Who needs who more - the United States to Israel or Israel to the United States?"
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 23 October 2012 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: Stasi.
      Iran runs the risk of repeating Doomsday War

      I hope this war will not resemble the Doomsday War, and the Persians will be able to rid Palestine of the Jews.
      1. Nubia2
        Nubia2 23 October 2012 18: 19
        0
        How, interestingly, the Persians will be there?
        You have obvious problems with geography.
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 23 October 2012 19: 52
      0
      Quote: Stasi.
      Only Iranian missiles are not primitive Palestinian Qassams

      There are pluses to intercepting Iranian missiles, unlike Kasam, they are not in the air for 40 seconds, they are much better to detect. In addition, while Iran does not even dream about ICBMs with false warheads, and they themselves have not many missiles yet, they can reach Israel no more than 60-70, and according to some reports, all 40 ...
      1. Stasi.
        Stasi. 23 October 2012 20: 05
        +4
        No one can say for sure what missiles Iran has. The quality of Iranian missiles does not reach the level of ICBMs, but progress does not stand still. Do not forget that China actively helps Iranian rocket scientists and scientists, and Iranians have good intelligence. In any case, I would not advise Israel to tempt fate and check the quality of Iranian missiles in the shoes of their missile defense.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 23 October 2012 20: 52
          -3
          Quote: Stasi.
          No one can say for sure what missiles Iran has.

          So no one knows what Israel’s missile defense is capable of, it’s also a military secret ...
    3. Karish
      Karish 23 October 2012 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: Stasi.
      Israel starting a war with Iran runs the risk of running into a repeat of the Yom Kippur War,

      \ Your words, yes to God’s ears. In this war we just weaned everyone around.
      Quote: Stasi.
      if not for the self-confidence of the Arabs, then Israel would have been defeated.

      And if my grandmother would have been ...., well, then you know.
      How beautiful a rout, to blame simply on self-confidence. All their self-confidence was in the very fact of the beginning of the war and faith in the past laughing laughing laughing
  14. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 23 October 2012 19: 46
    0
    .............. "The Israeli missile defense system is considered one of the best in the world and, according to available data, provides protection of the country's territory from shelling by missiles of various classes and types that can only be used against the country. "..............
    There is nothing to add ..... You will shoot down the "Voevoda" ... you will really be the greatest AGAINST --- missilemen .... but for now, hello everyone ---- fight with the natives of the Middle East ... shoot down the "flying pipes" from the plumbers of the Simit-Arab tribe .. smoke-sniff and revel in the "strategic partnership" with the brothers from Pin-dosii ... And most importantly, do not hate the Persian nuclear program ... (live ---- you live !! !!!!!!!!)
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 23 October 2012 20: 48
      +2
      It seems to me that this twisted missile defense will not be able to fight off even three Smerch divisions.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 23 October 2012 20: 55
        -2
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        It seems to me that this twisted missile defense will not be able to fight off even three Smerch divisions.

        What is, all of ours. Better take a look at how the European part of Russia is protected. Except Moscow. No way and it's not a secret ..
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 23 October 2012 21: 01
          +4
          Quote: Rumata
          Better take a look at how the European part of Russia is protected. Except Moscow. No way and it's not a secret ..

          eeeeeeee ..... your lie .... SS-400 (and this missile defense will be worse than the Jewish !!!) is no longer covering moshkva current ...., read the reports ..... (and the fact that the Russians unlike vile scum they fulfill their contracts === it always has been like that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      2. Jin
        Jin 24 October 2012 12: 32
        +1
        [quote = cherkas.oe] It seems to me that this twisted missile defense will not be able to fight off even three Smerch divisions. [/ quot

        I'll tell you that the word "EVEN" is somehow inappropriate here !!! Three divisions of the MLRS "Smerch" are VERY serious !!!
        The 300-mm shells of the Smerch MLRS are equipped with a solid-propellant jet engine running on mixed fuel, they have a length of 7,6 m and a weight of 800 kg. Warhead weight - 280 kg. It can be monoblock or cassette. The following types of shells are available:
        9M55F high-explosive fragmentation shell with a single-unit warhead (explosive weight is 92,5 kg; the shell is used to destroy fortifications, command posts, missile launch sites, etc.);
        9M55K shell with a cluster warhead containing 72 fragmentation warheads weighing 2 kg each (the main purpose of the shell is to defeat the enemy’s manpower; 10-16 of these shells are enough to guarantee the destruction of a motorized infantry company);
        9M55K1 projectile with a cluster warhead containing five Motiv high-performance self-aiming ammunition (a tank company in the concentration area is hit by a salvo of four vehicles firing such projectiles).
        One machine volley with 9M55K missiles with high-explosive cassette high-explosive elements covers an area of ​​40 hectares.
  15. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 23 October 2012 20: 21
    0
    Kagal twitched ???? Zaminusil without explaining his position .... I trudge from your limitless "cleverness", and to answer something according to the above, find the words ... Or how ?????

    "I explain in a popular way for the ignorant ....." and so on in the text .... deeply in a certain place I see the statements of simits in the sense of the above ... I confirm once again --- "live, you live !!!!" "" "
    1. igor67
      igor67 23 October 2012 20: 54
      -1
      Kshatriy,
      I put you a minus: the first is why you distort the Russian language in your comments, you can express a thought without a trick word, and the second in Izril I don’t remember mixed families somewhere like 300 or 200 thousand Russians, you propose to destroy them Bulova just because they are married with the Jews? Yes, you are some kind of racist. In Syria there are even fewer Russians. I have a Russian wife, and I brought my father-in-law to live here, the same Russian, does it turn out to be Bulova?
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 23 October 2012 21: 02
        +4
        You dear former fellow citizens live there so that everyone around you will not live and will not be until you have another Moses and starts to lead you to the moon.
        1. igor67
          igor67 23 October 2012 21: 09
          -3
          cherkas.oe,
          Watch TV more and not so write
          1. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 23 October 2012 21: 24
            +3
            I don’t believe television since childhood. And I’m familiar with your brother not by hearsay, but from personal experience, and so I’ll say that you’re not all smeared with the same world; there are real people among you, but people like you, following the oldest and most famous traditions of your sages, will call white black , and turn a sound idea into an absurdity.
        2. Light source
          Light source 23 October 2012 22: 13
          0
          Israel is not our former compatriots who rule. The locals will turn upside down, but they will not be allowed to rule Israel as a Jew.
          1. Karish
            Karish 23 October 2012 23: 39
            -2
            Quote: Source of Light
            Israel is not our former compatriots who rule. Locals in the grave will turn over, but not a Jew to rule Israel

            Tell it to Minister in. affairs and even to the 4th ministers. (and this is only in this government, some of them arrived only in the early 90s) Add the 3rd beginning. General Staff.
            Quote: Source of Light
            but they will not allow Israel to rule Israel.

            What for ? We have enough Jews.
      2. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 23 October 2012 21: 16
        0
        Quote: igor67
        not a trick word

        Write yourself - competently .. (I distort the words - when it is profitable for me .... "I am a Jew - I can do anything" !!!!)
        In my opinion, we have known each other for a long time on this forum ??? My position on the issue of Russian Jews in Israel ..., you have heard from me more than once ....--- home ... At-Two ...! !!!! And no problem .... Everyone will "fall" for their own! .... And not 200-300 ... thousand, but more than two million ... and this is a lot ...



        Quote: igor67
        their Bulova
        ................................................
        ..................... Completely bad head ??????????????????????? .... .
        Yes, for 2 million Russian Jews for me let ALL AFRICA, along with all the Arabs, die !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... In short, all of our home - ( we have pipets, how bad it is with drones ... it is necessary to raise the industry .. !!!)
        1. igor67
          igor67 23 October 2012 21: 30
          -2
          Kshatriy,
          Yes, we have been arguing here for a long time, I just want to explain that Israel is actually an ordinary country like Russia and Ukraine, by the way in 2000 in Israel they stopped issuing flags with the symbols of a sickle and a hammer, since kibbutzniks are no longer the same, nothing recalls? I talked with the first kibbutzniks they sang the International. It was more a socialist state than a capitalist state, with a powerful state trade union, and govtostorstvami which they still can not get rid of, because of their monopoly prices are horrible. Foreign policy? How can the state, in a geographical position, a thin strip along the sea, with two deserts, with a small population to someone. Threaten?
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 23 October 2012 21: 51
            0
            Quote: igor67
            Yes, we have been arguing here for a long time, I just want to explain that Israel is actually an ordinary country like Russia and Ukraine, by the way in 2000 in Israel they stopped issuing flags with the symbols of a sickle and a hammer, since kibbutzniks are no longer the same, nothing recalls? I talked with the first kibbutzniks they sang the International. It was more a socialist state than a capitalist state, with a powerful state trade union, and govtostorstvami which they still can not get rid of, because of their monopoly prices are horrible. Foreign policy? How can the state, in a geographical position, a thin strip along the sea, with two deserts, with a small population to someone. Threaten?

            Igor ..... I'm aaaaaaaschschschschsheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest ..... not about that at all !!!!!!!! ..... I'm talking about something else ...... In plain text .... Here are those that ---- even if in the case of a schukher they pistach in tan !!!!! And YOU are those that ours return already back to home ...... (about Russian fascism and other idiocy ..... funny ... to colic .......)
            Enemies of you pin-dos ... and they drag you to Buchila ...... There are no closed doors for you in Russia ........... 250 years have already been living together ... Pindo-Soviet "culture" ... will be younger ???? ... (although Theodore Dreiser, Mark Twain, Jack London, .... here's a tsuka .... classics of cultural heritage ... but I respect ... )
      3. Light source
        Light source 23 October 2012 22: 11
        0
        Quote: igor67
        in Izril, mixed families I don’t remember somewhere like 300 or 200 thousand Russians, do you propose to destroy their Bulova just because they are married to Jews?

        And where did Kshatriy offer it? Please indicate. One must know about such statements!
        1. igor67
          igor67 23 October 2012 22: 18
          -1
          Light source,
          I made a mistake, there was a question about the GovernorLight source, Shoot down the "Voevoda" ... you will really be the greatest
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 23 October 2012 22: 56
            0
            Quote: igor67
            Wrong, about the Voevoda was discussed Source of Light, Shoot down the "Voevoda" ... you will really be the greatest

            Igor "Voevoda" - "Satan" .... NOBODY in this world can knock down !!!! .... But no dolbak will ever launch it first ... even in a nightmare - there is no such thing " I will "judge" in this "Mad-Mad world" .........
            1. igor67
              igor67 23 October 2012 23: 13
              +1
              Kshatriy,Policy
              Quote: Kshatriya

              Igor "Voevoda" - "Satan" .... NOBODY in this world can knock down !!!! .... But no dolbak will ever launch it first ... even in a nightmare - there is no such thing " I will "judge" in this "Mad-Mad world" .........


              I agree !!! in my opinion all our rulers sit somewhere and play a game called politics by the people. who loses decreases. and all these expensive military toys only for stuffing pockets. Even the national heroes. now deceased (Bin Laden Gaddafi Saddat Arafat) billions of dollars in accounts came from somewhere. A bit messy. but such a thought crept in me.
              1. Kshatriy
                Kshatriy 24 October 2012 18: 21
                -1
                Quote: igor67
                Even among folk heroes. Now deceased (

                Personally, I completely agree with you too !!! And for me, for example, Hebrew Moshe Dayan --- Russian a priori, for he is a Hero of the Soviet Union .. (and he built the army of Israel in the image and likeness .. And is it because the small country still has one of the most powerful armies in the world ????)

                Quote: igor67
                in my opinion all our rulers are sitting somewhere and playing a game called politics by the people. who loses decreases

                Yeah ......, they have us with you as they want ..... I think that they don’t consider us for the people too ...... (but be afraid of the tsuki, who despise the differences-- unite, at the level of national socialism, discarding the framework of their invented dividing-barrier ... and pipets --- Globalism !!!)
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 24 October 2012 19: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Kshatriya
                  and he built the army of Israel in the image and likeness .. And not because the small country still has one of the most powerful armies in the world

                  Kshatriya, I am surprised at you. In my memory, at least 3 times you wrote a similar one, they provided you with evidence that the IDF was created in the image of the British, but you’re still there
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 24 October 2012 19: 36
                    0
                    I also noticed this, but I would not emphasize, because what was created according to the British model is more likely not the army, but the forces of special operations, but this is my personal opinion, with which YOU have the right to disagree.
                  2. Kshatriy
                    Kshatriy 25 October 2012 20: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Kshatriya, I am surprised at you. In my memory, at least 3 times you wrote something similar, they provided you with evidence that the IDF was created in the image of the British,

                    My dear "Romala", and where did you get such an interesting idea ..., and now you think about my interest in your evidence ..... Why does your people reserve the right to provoke, as a priori .... ??? I have no such right ????

                    Quote: Rumata
                    Kshatriya, I am surprised at you.

                    .... I am very pleased !!!!!!
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 25 October 2012 21: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Kshatriya
                      Why does your people reserve the right to provocation, as a priori

                      What are you speaking about? What a stupid habit of generalizing? You have written nonsense, trying to call it a provocation, good luck, why involve some "peoples" and "rights to legal locations" here? It would never occur to me to write, "why are you Russians so fond of drinking, using drugs, sniffing glue and writing nonsense on the Internet?" .. This is at the level of a kindergarten
                2. Karish
                  Karish 24 October 2012 20: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Kshatriya
                  And for me, for example, Hebrew Moshe Dayan --- Russian a priori for he is a Hero of the Soviet Union .. (and he built the army of Israel in the image and likeness

                  Moshe Dayan - a hero of the Soviet Union?
                  Born May 20, 1915 in the kibbutz Dgania in Palestine in the family of Yards Zatulovskaya and Shmuel Kitaygorodsky, immigrants from the Russian Empire. [1] Since 1921 he lived in Nakhalal moshavim, after graduating from elementary school he entered the agricultural. Since 1929 he was a member of the "Hagana". In 1935 he married Ruth Schwartz. In 1936-1939 he served in the Jewish Palestinian police detachments under the leadership of Yitzhak Sade. In 1939, he was arrested by the British authorities for illegal possession of weapons and until February 1941 was held in the prison of Acre.
                  Upon his release from prison, he was appointed commander of a company (one of two formed companies) in the newly organized armed group Palmach (shock detachments Hagan). As part of the Palmach, he took part in the hostilities in Syria and Lebanon against the French Vichy (German allies), was wounded during sabotage (the binoculars looked at by Dayan, was broken by a French bullet), lost his eye, and was awarded the British Order of Distinguished Service. . In 1946, he was a delegate to the Zionist Congress in Basel.

                  Fairy tales are circulating about the rewarding of Moshe Dayan with the Order of the Battle Red Banner. He was a type in the Red Army as part of a British military mission. But officially, I have not seen confirmation anywhere.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 24 October 2012 21: 03
                    0
                    This joke about Moshe Dayan was launched by Mikhail Weller! People in the subject only laughed at it ...
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 October 2012 03: 17
                  0
                  Read Weller less, Misch. The book is called "BIKES of Nevsky Prospect". BIKES. Dayan was not a Hero of the Soviet Union. And Dayan did not build the IDF and Palmach before him on the model of the Soviet army. The Israeli army was built primarily on the basis of the British.
                  1. Kshatriy
                    Kshatriy 25 October 2012 20: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    The book is called "BIKES of Nevsky Prospect". BIKES. Dayan was not a Hero of the Soviet Union. And Dayan did not build the IDF and Palmach before him on the model of the Soviet army. The Israeli army was built primarily on the basis of the British.

                    Hi Eugene .... I don’t remember who I read about Dayan and his merits to the Fatherland .... Maybe from Vladimir Semenovich:
                    "..... say Moshe Dayan the one-eyed creep,
                    Aggressive beast, well, purely Pharaoh,
                    Well, where there is aggression there is no reason for me !!! ..... "
                    I will tell you personally a secret - without transferring ..., ... to the rest of society ...., but I wanted to define "persons interested" .... I counted them All ... Nothing personal .....
  16. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 23 October 2012 20: 40
    0
    Why on this server "skinheads" is always an ABSOLUTE argument, and the word "writing" --- does not pass through the filter ?????? Where is your tolerance ?????
  17. mazdie
    mazdie 23 October 2012 21: 27
    0
    The only thing I don’t understand is how much anti-missile is needed to bring down a couple of hundred unguided missiles like hail ???? In my opinion it's a show off. The most reliable and proven way to shoot down ICBMs (from someone I heard), geostationary satellites over areas from which the danger comes from being exploded in orbit when rockets are launched. A field of millions of solid fragments is an impenetrable barrier. I can be mistaken not a specialist in this field.
    1. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 23 October 2012 22: 32
      0
      Quote: mazdie
      In my opinion it's a show off. The most reliable and proven way to shoot down ICBMs (from someone I heard), geostationary satellites over areas from which the danger comes from being exploded in orbit when rockets are launched. A field of millions of solid fragments is an impenetrable barrier.

      I also have a poor idea of ​​what constellation of satellites one needs to have in order to cover 1/6 of the land with satellites and fragments .... pin-do-sy cannot yet create such a constellation ..... Or maybe they already can ???? us - kirdyk ....., we will die quickly and painlessly ..., iblyks and there is no nasty "Rashka" .... The whole world is happily spending GAY_PARAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
    2. igor67
      igor67 24 October 2012 00: 07
      +1
      [quote = mazdie] Field of millions of solid fragments, is an impenetrable barrier.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 October 2012 02: 17
      +4
      mazdie,

      There was such an idea but refused too costly and unreliable. Even amers already now recognize that the most reliable way to combat ICBMs is to shoot it down on an active section of the trajectory — this is what they are now striving for. Well, exterminating satellites as an example ...

      The interceptor weighing about 2,4 tons was equipped with an orientation system, a powerful propulsion system with large fuel reserves, allowing for a wide maneuver in space. In front was a homing radar antenna, behind it a cylindrical instrument compartment with systems providing communication and data exchange with the ground-based complex. To destroy the target, two warheads of fragmentation-cumulative action served. Folding warheads were revealed only after entering orbit.
      Until 1971, the system was actively tested. Assassin satellites enthusiastically destroyed victim satellites at altitudes of 250 to 1000 km, confirming the possibility of destroying all US military satellites, except geostationary. In 1973, the complex was put into trial operation, and after a little refinement in 1978, entered service with the Soviet army.
      The last test of the complex took place on June 18, 1982 during the largest exercises of the Soviet nuclear forces, nicknamed the "seven-hour nuclear war" in the West. Cosmos-1379 intercepted a target - a simulator of the US navigation satellite Transit.
      1. mazdie
        mazdie 25 October 2012 23: 25
        0
        Thank you, I did not know, I heard about the fragmentation fields from my grandfather. (I had it as a constructor)
  18. mazdie
    mazdie 23 October 2012 23: 01
    +1
    I was not talking about 1/6 of the land a little bit, but quite the opposite))), but unfortunately it is necessary to block the places of deployment of the Strategic Missile Forces (any power), and in the case of Russia this is not so much, and the fleet is quickly aging, I'm not an alarmist , by the way about the satellites, the idea is still Soviet. They refused it because the Americans are holding most of the missiles on submarines such as Ohio.

    By the way, the main part of the comment is about the fact that the guys will not be able to shoot down unguided missiles in bulk, and organizing this massive amount of unguided missiles is much easier than a massive strike even with short-range missiles. (tactical)
    1. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 24 October 2012 18: 30
      0
      Quote: mazdie
      and in the case of Russia it’s not so much

      You have quantity data
      Quote: mazdie
      deployment of strategic missile forces
      ???????????????????????????
      Have you accidentally misled anything in this life ?????????????????????????????
  19. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 24 October 2012 03: 23
    0
    In order to improve the Israeli missile defense, I propose giving them Ashurbeyli. Take it, huh? hi