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Why HIMARS is not a MLRS

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Why HIMARS is not a MLRS

Over the past months, a variety of opinions have been voiced about the HIMARS system. But no one paid attention to the main thing.


The use of HIMARS differs from other multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS)


Let's start with such an example.

The estimated deflection of the Smerch shells at a range of 70 km does not exceed 150 m. This is not enough to hit point targets. But more than enough to provide a "controlled dispersion" of shells in a salvo. The Smerch shells must not fall into the same funnel. They should fall at some calculated distance from each other. In order for a full salvo from 12 guides to leave behind 672 sq. m of scorched space!

MLRS HIMARS, on the contrary, tends to heap "put" shells at one point. The projectile separation capability (estimated at 1-2 km at maximum firing distance) was provided for attacking several individual targets located in a narrow sector. In practice, such a coincidence is rare, so HIMARS fire volleys at the same target.

Guidance each missile for a specific target contradicts the idea underlying the installations of the MLRS. Their application does not require the calculation of coordinates for each individual target. Volley launch of many shells is guaranteed to cause damage to enemy forces dispersed over a large area.


This is the whole meaning and advantage of this type. weapons. The measure of success is fire performance. The blast wave weakens to the third power of distance. When shooting at areas, many explosions of lower power are always more effective than single explosions of high power.

The instructions of the Soviet period indicated that a salvo of three Smerch MLRS installations was comparable in efficiency to the work of two brigades armed with 9K79 Tochka-U missile systems. That is, one and a half to two dozen missiles fired, equipped with half-ton warheads!

Unlike Tornadoes, Grads and Hurricanes, "Hymars" is deprived of the main quality of the MLRS - high fire performance. Instead, it provides a circular probable deviation of each ammunition within a dozen meters.

Sniping from MLRS is nonsense. This means that HIMARS belongs to a different type of weapon. The characteristics and purpose of HIMARS correspond to the complex of tactical surface-to-surface missiles. The impression is reinforced by the too small number of guides for the MLRS.

Are traces of MLRS still present in his pedigree? From its ancestors, the Chimera inherited only the ability to fire in a salvo, however, only six missiles.

This betrays the main weakness of the prodigy


Why fire missiles repeatedly at the same place?

HIMARS takes on the tasks of tactical (operational-tactical) missile systems using rockets with 90-kg warheads. For comparison, the missiles of the Tochka-U complex are equipped with high-explosive fragmentation warheads weighing 482 kg, containing over 160 kg of explosives!

The lack of power of HIMARS ammunition became especially noticeable from the results of their combat tour in Ukraine. The missiles turned out to be ineffective in solving the tasks of a strategic scale, which the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been putting before them for the second month already.


Perhaps the reason lies in the ridiculous attempts to use the complex beyond its capabilities. Disabling kilometer bridges was hardly taken into account when developing 227-mm GMLRS rockets.

To destroy capital structures, the MGM-140 ATACMS short-range ballistic missile was included in the HIMARS complex. The same “long arm of Hymars” with a launch range of 300 km, which so far no one is in a hurry to transfer to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The hull diameter is 610 mm with a launch weight of over one and a half tons. A 500-pound (230-kg) warhead is used as standard equipment.

In terms of its weight and dimensions, ATACMS approaches those of Tochka-U, and in terms of combat qualities (range and especially accuracy) it is expectedly superior. Still, 30 years of age difference.

The transport and launch container with the ATACMS missile has six decorative "guides" - outwardly it is difficult to distinguish from containers with GMLRS rockets that hit 70 km.

As of mid-September, there is no reliable evidence of the use of ATACMS in Ukraine.

In all other cases, this weapon, of course, deserves serious ratings.


Behind the swirling dust tank biathlons, few people noticed that the “probable enemy” had a new method of warfare. Massed launches of guided missiles - at logistics hubs and "decision centers" in the near rear, to a depth of up to 70 km.

The Yankees guessed to create a complex of tactical missiles based on 227-mm shells of the former MLRS. This approach ensured relative mass character and the possibility of firing at targets that did not deserve the use of Tomahawks.

Unlike traditional multiple rocket launchers, in this case, only six guides were enough. And HIMARS itself fit on the chassis of a three-axle army truck.

This was followed by all the known qualities of HIMARS, which are drawn to so much attention. Stealth, mobility ...

There is only one reason - "Haymars" is not an analogue of traditional MLRS.

On the technical side, the Hymars launcher is the "half" of the M270 installation. Multiple launch rocket system of the 70s, built on the tracked chassis of the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. With its own advantages and disadvantages. And a dozen guides for 227 mm shells - a close analogue of our "Hurricane".


In other words, the Hymars, like its predecessor, is capable of launching volleys of unguided rockets at targets at a distance of 30 km.

Was capable. And only in theory. With all the will, a competitor of the Grad MLRS will not come out of Hymars. It has a different purpose.

30 km is a very weak indicator for such a caliber. The Yankees have long abandoned the topic, never knowing what long-range unguided rockets are for.

The obsolete M26 shells were officially withdrawn from service in 2018. From that moment on, all M270s switched to tasks similar to the Hymars. With the advantage of better cross-country ability and density of a rocket salvo. And disadvantages in the form of a large mass and worse transportability.

In other words, across the ocean they completely abandoned the idea of ​​shooting at squares. How justified or premature this decision was will be shown by the coming conflicts. Decommissioned unguided shells were delivered in large numbers to ... You guessed where.

How to find a needle in a haystack?


For the use of high-precision missiles, in the quantities that HIMARS allows, not only the missiles themselves are needed, but also effective means of issuing target designation. In Ukraine, HIMARS operate on an area of ​​one hundred thousand square kilometers. "Bayraktars" and quadrocopters will not help here.

Who provides the APU with so much data? Global Hawk drones do not hang over the front line around the clock and Blackbirds do not fly.


M142 HIMARS launcher cockpit

Many experts agree that the APU was able to use the Hymars so actively due to access to services that provide high-resolution satellite imagery. And daily data updates. Such as the commercial company Maxar, which has its own constellation of satellites and tools for data analysis.

Analysis and processing of hundreds of images allows track the movement of convoys, identify regular stopping places and even the daily routes of individual trucks. Based on these observations, conclusions are drawn about the location of military equipment accumulations, warehouses and command posts of the RF Armed Forces.

If this turns out to be true, then our military strategists, apparently, "slapped their ears" on the next round in the development of modern weapons.

There is no intrigue left in this topic, so in the end - a blitz on the most interesting issues.

Does Hymars charge itself?


Back at the end of July, at a briefing by the Ministry of Defense, an account was opened for the destroyed HIMARS installations.

“Two launchers were eliminated near the settlement of Malotaranovka, another HIMARS and a transport-loading vehicle near Krasnoarmeysk, and a fourth launcher on the eastern outskirts of Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.”
(Briefing July 22)

What attracted the attention of experts? Unlike Gradov, Smerch and Hurricanes, which require special equipment to install rockets on rails, there are no transport-loading vehicles in the HIMARS complex.


HIMARS continues the tradition of its predecessor M270 and uses interchangeable transport and launch containers. The TPK is being changed ... The process of changing ammunition can be seen in a short video.


What to do with the statement about the destruction of the "transport-loading vehicle"? It has its own explanation. Ammunition "Haymars" is not transported on conventional trucks.

Ammunition carriers are attached to each HIMARS battery - according to the state, two vehicles per launcher. These are ordinary 6x6 trucks, which are distinguished by the presence of a crane-manipulator and "shoes" for missile containers.

This technique bears the designation MK.37 Resupply Vehicle (literally - "resupply vehicle"). Her task is to lift and put the container on the ground in front of the launcher; further "Hymars" will do everything himself.

Probably, a machine of this type was discussed at the MoD briefing. No emphasis on technical details.

Hunt for the Hymars


Installations with tactical missiles for the second month are dissected through the combat zone under the fire of Russian artillery and airborne forces. It is expected that among them there should be losses.

The question here is not in scoring, 5:3. The main question is why part of the "Chimera" is still on the move and shoots in all directions. As if not a couple of dozen, but hundreds and thousands of launchers were brought to Ukraine.

The enemy, of course, cares about the reputation of the "wunderwaffe" and will hide any data on losses.

From our side, the identification of the destroyed HIMARS is complicated by their external resemblance to trucks of the FMTV family. Dozens of such vehicles are used as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for towing 777 howitzers.


Another circumstance preventing the public demonstration of the wreckage is the way the HIMARS are used in combat. Installations "work" from the depths of enemy territory. Unlike the hulking 777 howitzers, the Ukrainian MLRS are not so easy to capture and display at the exhibition of captured weapons.

Domestic sources also do not strive for high-quality coverage of the events of the “hunt for Hymars”. The presented footage of the destruction of HIMARS launchers is of such low quality and resolution that they could describe any event in any military conflict.

However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The Hymars had spent enough time in the war zone for casualties to form among them.

Russian analogue of "Haymars"


An analogue of GMLRS rockets are 9M542 precision-guided munitions, designed for advanced MLRS 9K515 Tornado-S. The letter "C" indicates that the complex took the best from its progenitor - the Smerch MLRS.

The mass and caliber of the projectile are cubically related, for this reason, the 300-mm Tornado-S rockets have twice the power compared to the 227-mm GMLRS.

12 guides - instead of six for HIMARS. Due to its size and the use of a specific chassis, the Tornado-S is inferior in stealth and mobility. But it significantly surpasses the Chimera in terms of the power of ammunition, the firing range (120 km) and the density of the rocket salvo.

At the same time, the Russian complex retained the potential of the MLRS and the possibility of salvo firing of unguided rockets at targets dispersed over a large area.

The most important point is related to the issuance of target designation. As the events of the NMD demonstrate, control over the situation and movements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine leaves much to be desired.

And, as usual, the traditional question related to the number of Tornado-S put into service. 20 units are enough for parity with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but this is unacceptably small for a conflict with NATO countries.

As for ATACMS ballistic missiles, the advantage in this class of weapons remains with Russia. A complex that does not need a long introduction is the Iskander OTRK.


The world's first HIMARS operator in terms of the number of installations promises to be... Poland. In June of this year, the Polish Ministry of Defense announced plans to acquire 500 launchers (more than the US has in service) to equip 80 missile batteries with them. The absurdity of the situation is that four full salvos of HIMARS are more expensive than the launcher itself. The Poles, apparently, forgot to count the ammunition load for 500 launchers.
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  1. Mikhail Drabkin
    Mikhail Drabkin 19 September 2022 05: 36
    +5
    Author:

    Why HIMARS is not a MLRS


    — And what does it change? “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it’s a duck!”
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 September 2022 05: 58
      +9
      Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
      — And what does it change? “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it’s a duck!”

      Or a drake...
      *****
      Well scheduled! good
      For a long time there was no such scrupulous analysis: both performance characteristics, and tactics, and much more.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 September 2022 06: 17
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        Haven't had such a thorough analysis in a long time.

        What is the analysis, is that the MLRS is called a tactical missile system based on the use of a guided missile? Well, it's all about ammunition, which the author confirms, because he considers Tornado-S to be MLRS.
        1. Santa Fe
          19 September 2022 08: 10
          +5
          named tactical missile system based on the use of a guided missile

          Which led to big changes in appearance and performance characteristics, making Hymars shooting at areas of little use. Only six guides with missiles

          This installation was created with the expectation of GMLRS and ATACMS
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 19 September 2022 08: 49
            +1
            Quote: Santa Fe
            Which led to big changes in appearance and performance characteristics, making Hymars shooting at areas of little use. Only six guides with missiles

            This installation was created with the expectation of GMLRS and ATACMS

            Garbage and stupidity, appearance and performance characteristics were formed for a medium truck and taking into account the transfer to the S-130. According to this logic, the MLRS is a tactical missile system.
            1. Negro
              Negro 19 September 2022 13: 17
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              According to this logic, the MLRS is a tactical missile system.

              Now yes, definitely.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 20 September 2022 08: 03
                0
                Quote: Negro
                Now yes, definitely.

                Only thanks to the ammunition. And not constructions, as the author imagines.
                1. Negro
                  Negro 20 September 2022 08: 31
                  0
                  What the author imagines there is generally difficult to understand. The high-precision course has been going on for many decades. Now any howitzer, any mortar is a fuel dispenser that hits not in an ellipse, but in coordinates.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 20 September 2022 08: 43
                    -1
                    Quote: Negro
                    What the author imagines there is generally difficult to understand.

                    But some consider this article an excellent analysis. laughing hi
          2. AAK
            AAK 19 September 2022 13: 50
            +5
            Why shoot at squares? Raven scare? "Haymars" perfectly shot at the objects ... Our MLRS do not show anything similar, so cover the area and destroy one gopher with fragments, wow ...
          3. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 19 September 2022 15: 25
            +1
            Quote: Santa Fe
            named tactical missile system based on the use of a guided missile

            Which led to big changes in appearance and performance characteristics, making Hymars shooting at areas of little use. Only six guides with missiles

            This installation was created with the expectation of GMLRS and ATACMS

            Wrong conclusions.
            Hymars was created as a highly mobile and airborne MLRS complex, with reduced purchase and operation costs. In order to fit into Hercules for the USMC. Read with the same tasks as our paratroopers and marines.
            MLRS for them was excessive.
            And binding to ataxms and gilrs is pulling an owl on a globe. And very wrong with wrong conclusions.
            1. Santa Fe
              19 September 2022 20: 09
              +1
              Hymars was created as a highly mobile and airborne MLRS complex, with reduced purchase and operation costs. In order to fit into Hercules for the USMC

              The creation of such a complex And became possible only with the advent of GMLRS

              Otherwise, the point is "mobility" if it is useless, like a weapon, in a combat zone. He does not have fire performance to cover areas, like MLRS

              All the qualities of Hymars associated with its low weight and compact size are a consequence of its other application.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 20 September 2022 01: 11
                +1
                Quote: Santa Fe
                Otherwise, the point is "mobility" if it is useless, like a weapon, in a combat zone. He does not have fire performance to cover areas, like MLRS

                Spell: Airmobile for KMP.
                It’s like a BMD for the Airborne Forces, on the one hand, an aluminum coffin on thin tracks, but you can’t throw off an MBT with a parachute behind enemy lines, so it’s better on a soapbox with a short-range gun than on foot with an RPG in your mouth.
                So they have the same thing, it’s better to have under-MLRS than nothing at all.
                That's clearer? request

                Py.Sy.
                Sniping from MLRS is nonsense.

                Peremptory with aplomb - this is really nonsense.

          4. g1v2
            g1v2 19 September 2022 18: 27
            +3
            Well, it’s probably easier to say that this is not a rszo, but an otrk. Just with two options for equipment - one large ballistic missile or 6 smaller ones. Here, in principle, everything is on point. Chimera is really an otrk and they put them on a saloreich because the missiles for the points began to come to an end. And they are used the same way.
        2. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 19 September 2022 21: 25
          +1
          excellent analysis of everything on the shelves - structure - regulations
          in my head, the table formed by itself - fantastic
          the first time I liked everything in the article
      2. skeptick2
        skeptick2 19 September 2022 11: 04
        -4
        Quote: yuriy55
        Well scheduled!

        Yeah. Especially this one - "However, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
        In granite.
    2. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 06: 07
      +4
      walks like a duck, quacks like a duck

      That's the trick, that he doesn't walk and doesn't quack like a duck

      Is this analogy more understandable?
      1. parma
        parma 19 September 2022 07: 18
        +1
        Quote: Santa Fe
        walks like a duck, quacks like a duck

        That's the trick, that he doesn't walk and doesn't quack like a duck

        Is this analogy more understandable?

        The fact that unguided missiles were not handed over to Ukraine (by the way, these are unconfirmed data) does not mean that the M-270 or Himars are not able to use MLRS ... "In nature" there are M26 unguided areal projectiles and AT-2 mine designers. Another question is that the modern nature of hostilities has changed. Well, can our MLRS cover 100 hectares, so what? What area of ​​them is occupied by the lines of trenches? Why the extra consumption of ammunition, leading only to unnecessary destruction and casualties, to the problems of unexploded shells, etc., when it is possible to blow up a warehouse of ammo or fuel with 1-2 missiles and leave an area with a radius of 30-50 km without supplies, those incapacitated (and here the question is which is cheaper and more efficient)?
        PS: we may have the sharpest and best bayonet-knife or a strong baton at the VP, but this is not an indicator of effectiveness ...
        1. Santa Fe
          19 September 2022 07: 39
          +2
          The fact that unguided rockets were not handed over to Ukraine (by the way, these are unconfirmed data) does not mean that the M-270 or Himars are not capable of using MLRS ...

          You have not read the article
          Well, can our MLRS cover 100 hectares, so what?

          The idea of ​​​​creating such a weapon appeared 70 years ago, when there was nothing to choose from.

          And everything that was created in this area was intended for shooting at areas, only the caliber and range increased

          GMLRS guided missiles for firing from MLRS installations appeared only in 2005. And it immediately became clear that these were weapons with other capabilities. Now the density of fire did not matter - six guides were enough for Hymars
          1. parma
            parma 19 September 2022 08: 32
            0
            Quote: Santa Fe
            The fact that unguided rockets were not handed over to Ukraine (by the way, these are unconfirmed data) does not mean that the M-270 or Himars are not capable of using MLRS ...

            You have not read the article
            Well, can our MLRS cover 100 hectares, so what?

            The idea of ​​​​creating such a weapon appeared 70 years ago, when there was nothing to choose from.

            And everything that was created in this area was intended for shooting at areas, only the caliber and range increased

            GMLRS guided missiles for firing from MLRS installations appeared only in 2005. And it immediately became clear that these were weapons with other capabilities. Now the density of fire did not matter - six guides were enough for Hymars

            I read the article and I know that unguided projectiles were removed from service and planned to be disposed of. But the M26 is highly likely still in the warehouses of the American army. Although production stopped in 2001, and the shelf life is 25 years, Trump was one of the first to issue a decree to stop recycling (it was planned to be disposed of before 2018). The Americans at one time intercepted the smuggling of ammunition from Iran to the Houthis, they said they would destroy it. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are using some Iranian shells, most likely from this batch ... whatever, and the Americans know how to store military property for a rainy day even better than we do ...
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 19 September 2022 09: 06
            +1
            And everything that was created in this area was intended for shooting at areas

            Everything that was created in this area was intended for salvo fire. This is the key factor. And the fact that it is key is directly reflected in the name, what we have (MLRS), what English speakers have (MLRS). And the areal nature of the lesion is simply a consequence of a certain level of available technologies.
            HIMARS of course MLRS.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 06: 55
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
      Why HIMARS is not a MLRS


      — And what does it change? “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it’s a duck!”

      Accurately noted! MLRS-Reactive Multiple Rocket System ... Shoots HIMARS in one gulp? Shoots! So MLRS!
    4. Eule
      Eule 28 October 2022 19: 57
      0
      Inscriptions on the container: DO NOT TOW - what's the point?
      DO NOT DROP - "do not drop", it is clear
  2. Plane_Junkers
    Plane_Junkers 19 September 2022 06: 17
    +2
    Himars also has unguided rockets, using them he is quite a MLRS. And the fact that its tactics of use differs from the "Tornado" is different machines, created for different requirements. Why can't chimars be compared with hail, for example, with a hurricane?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 07: 20
      +3
      Quote: Plane_Junkers
      And the fact that its tactics of use differs from the "Tornado" - duck these are different cars

      No wonder they say: Everything is relative! Give NURSs to the "Chimera" and there will be shooting at the area ... And you can "handle" with what you have! Put programmers on the MLRS and let them assign "individual" GPS coordinates to each RS ... that's area shooting! In the Ukrainian MLRS "Alder" RSy with GPS-correction are used; but in the MSA, the angular dilution of the volley (1,5 km) is also used! And one does not interfere with the other! Controlled dilution of the volley serves to evenly distribute the volley over the area! (So ​​that 2-3 shells do not fall somewhere in the "piglet", and not a single one in the other ...) But the "Smerch" can also fire in one gulp at one target! You don't even need a GPS! Add to the fact that there is already a GOS ... for example, a laser one!
      1. Santa Fe
        19 September 2022 08: 05
        +2
        Give NURSs to "Chimera" and there will be shooting at the area ...

        There are six guides in total. Which one is area shooting

        And no one will give NURSs, they were written off
        Controlled dilution of the volley serves to evenly distribute the volley over the area!

        Go back to the source and read carefully

        All sources on Alder copy-paste each other. And everywhere it is indicated - breeding to attack several individual targets
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 08: 57
          +2
          Quote: Santa Fe
          There are six guides in total. Which one is area shooting

          But at one time, the HRV was also offered a 6-barrel version of the Tornado! At the same time, no one suggested abandoning the term "MLRS"! 6 "barrels" is not enough? Well, put 2 pieces side by side for deep moral satisfaction!
          Did the NURS write off? Well, if needed, they will do it again! In principle, the technical possibility is preserved!
          Quote: Santa Fe
          All sources on Alder copy-paste each other. And everywhere it is indicated - breeding to attack several individual targets

          Back to source ? Good ! But you also think big! The "breeding" of a volley to attack several individual targets does not contradict (!) The "uniform distribution of the volley over the area"! All these are "nuances"! And it is possible to "distribute" a volley over the area to hit "several individual targets"! Remember? "We say - Lenin, we mean - the party! We say - the party, we mean - Lenin!" wink
          1. Santa Fe
            19 September 2022 09: 16
            0
            Well, if needed, they will do it again! In principle, the technical possibility is preserved!

            Not needed

            If it became technically possible to create high-precision missiles in a caliber of 227 mm, then there is no need to shoot into white light. In the depth of 50-70 km from the forward edge there are many interesting targets, as a rule these are point targets, previously inaccessible to rocket artillery. And now they are focused on using small tactical missiles

            For processing the leading edge of the MLRS is still seen as effective, but in the West they do not think so. Their business, the future will show
            Breeding "volley to attack several individual targets does not contradict (!) "Uniform distribution of the volley over the area"!

            This contradicts the very essence, no one uses guided missiles in areas
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 09: 42
              0
              Quote: Santa Fe
              Not needed

              If it became technically possible to create high-precision missiles in a caliber of 227 mm, then there is no need to shoot into white light.

              Anything happens! For example, in the Russian Federation, weapons, sometimes, are produced in 2 versions: for themselves and for export ... There is something similar in the USA ...: for themselves and the best allies, and worse for other commerce ... For example, if Afghanistan asked the United States (before the Taliban ...) HIMARS, then, in principle, they could have given it; but it is possible that with NURSs!
              Quote: Santa Fe
              This contradicts the very essence, no one uses guided missiles in areas

              And if there are "several individual targets" in this area?
              1. Santa Fe
                19 September 2022 10: 16
                +2
                For almost 20 years, Hymars has not earned high marks in Afghanistan. What is “high mobility” if there is no developed road network in the country. And the enemy has no warehouses and suitable targets

                A country that wants to acquire MLRS specifically would not turn to the Americans, much less acquire Hymars for these purposes

                The Amer military-industrial complex has not been producing conventional MLRS with NURS for a long time, either for itself or for export, just as, for example, it does not build diesel-electric submarines
                if there are "several individual targets" in this area?

                So they shoot at these specific targets
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 17: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  In almost 20 years, Hymars has not earned high ratings in Afghanistan

                  Afghanistan is an example! In its place could be Honduras! The meaning of the example ... if a "third world" country asks the United States for MLRS, then the states can sell it, but with "discounted" ammunition, if the "applicant" is not particularly reliable!
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  The Amersky military-industrial complex has not been producing conventional MLRS with NURS for a long time, either for itself or for export,

                  And there is no need to restore the "old" production! Do not put a GPS receiver on the M-30/31 URSAs ... install a simpler INS with cheap gyroscopes, or even without it, and you will succeed!

                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  If there are "several individual targets" in this area?

                  So they shoot at these specific targets

                  Well... we've arrived! "Hello girls!"....! Our discussion takes on the meaning of a dispute: "On the forehead!" ... No, on the forehead! ...
                  1. Santa Fe
                    20 September 2022 00: 56
                    +1
                    if a "third world" country asks the US for MLRS

                    The US has nothing to offer in this area.

                    As in some others, an example was given to you above
                    Do not put a GPS receiver on the URS M-30/31

                    They found the means to equip all missiles with GPS receivers.

                    Why should they go back?
                    takes on the meaning of a dispute: "On the forehead!" ... No, on the forehead! ...

                    If you do not notice the difference between shooting in an area, where the number of close gaps provides a high probability of hitting

                    And a direct hit on the target. Like a couple of days ago, according to the Kherson administration
  3. ban
    ban 19 September 2022 06: 42
    +5
    Oleg, well, I did not expect:

    a new method of warfare


    Back in the late 80s and early 90s, we were all brainwashed by American reconnaissance and strike systems and the tactics of their use. And then suddenly such a surprise!
    What did our generals do besides theft and parades?!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 19 September 2022 07: 15
      +3
      Quote: ban
      Oleg, well, I did not expect:

      a new method of warfare


      Back in the late 80s and early 90s, we were all brainwashed by American reconnaissance and strike systems and the tactics of their use. And then suddenly such a surprise!
      What did our generals do besides theft and parades?!

      Americans in general are incredibly open about all their technical innovations and strategies. Everything is served on publicly available publications, with extremely detailed diagrams and chewed explanations for the most inexperienced in military affairs. Since their army is very accountable to voters and politicians. Otherwise, the budget will not be given, how in such conditions it is possible to miss at least something in their military thought, this special genius is needed. hi
    2. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 07: 55
      0
      Back in the late 80s and early 90s, we were all brainwashed by American reconnaissance and strike systems and the tactics of their use

      Hymars appeared in the early 2000s

      Big Data tools, suitable for analyzing thousands of images from space, comparing the smallest details, in the form for which the concept of "Big Data" arose - this is the end of the 2000s

      What similar systems were in service or could be used in the 80s?
      1. ban
        ban 19 September 2022 08: 29
        +4
        What year was the MLRS adopted? In the 82nd, if memory serves? And since what year have you used Link-11 mattress covers?

        A reconnaissance and strike complex is an automated weapon system designed to engage the most important ground and surface enemy targets with strike weapons immediately as they are detected. It includes means of reconnaissance and guidance, destruction (high-precision weapons), electronic suppression, navigation and time support, and control.


        There is not only MLRS as a strike weapon, but also artillery, OTRK, ASP, KR, etc.

        This whole concept has been continuously developed and improved by mattress covers all these years, and we have a tank biathlon am
        1. Santa Fe
          19 September 2022 09: 20
          0
          What year was the MLRS adopted? In the 82nd, if memory serves? A Link-11

          We discussed guided missiles and how to process a large number of images, which appeared about 10 years ago

          None of this happened in the 80s.
          1. ban
            ban 19 September 2022 10: 51
            +2
            Oh well, there was no satellite reconnaissance, no AWACS, no artillery reconnaissance radar? Everything in real time even then worked for mattresses.
            And yes, we had something. wink
            1. Santa Fe
              19 September 2022 11: 24
              +1
              Oh well, no satellite reconnaissance

              In the form in which the targets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are found in 2022, through hundreds of Maxar images, using algorithms that appeared already in the XNUMXs - this could not have been imagined for forty years

              Ban, with all due respect, you started arguing after misunderstanding the idea. It was all about something else.
              1. ban
                ban 19 September 2022 13: 39
                +1
                And I don't argue. Yes, technology has advanced now, of course, but this problem of network-centric warfare and high-precision enemy strikes was recognized even in the days of the SA, and they were preparing for it, and for the plywood marshal with Gerasimov this was a direct revelation.
                This is what annoys me the most am
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 19 September 2022 16: 35
            0
            Quote: Santa Fe
            What year was the MLRS adopted? In the 82nd, if memory serves? A Link-11

            We discussed guided missiles and how to process a large number of images, which appeared about 10 years ago

            None of this happened in the 80s.

            In 80, MLRS appeared with its NURS with cassette warheads.
            But.
            With super-successful modularity planning.
            A single launcher that reloads quickly, has several types of missiles and a future of 100 years ahead.
            Compared to the menagerie and zoo we have.
            When they have one crew, they do all the tasks inherent in our three crews. This is not counting the TZM and all sorts of staff ..
            I have been saying for a long time that our army, in terms of the cost of ownership for the state, is much more expensive than the American one.
  4. Old ensign
    Old ensign 19 September 2022 06: 46
    -2
    Surprised by the article. Of course, Himars is rszo. After the author's statement that this is not so, you can not read further. The author is not competent, does not own the topic. I would like to send the author ... to the website of the RSZO data producer, everything is written there, the Yandex translator will help you.
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 08: 02
      +4
      The author is not competent, does not own the topic

      Of course, it was very important to hear the opinion of such a specialist as the Old Ensign. I learned a lot from you
      I would like to send the author ... to

      Bite for
      to the website of the data manufacturer of the RSZO, everything is painted there,

      There will only be a picture with a rocket launch and general performance characteristics

      Interesting and unique information on the Internet should be searched with special care.
  5. netzer
    netzer 19 September 2022 08: 52
    +1
    The main difference from the Russian systems is the integration of an INS (fully articulated gyroscopy) inside the launcher 'cage', thus allowing for immediate launch from vehicular-stop. Shoot-and-scoot.
  6. Nephilim
    Nephilim 19 September 2022 08: 56
    +1
    Reading the article, the immortal classics immediately come to mind:
    Listen to what I sprinkled last night with the oscillating set of an electric lamp: "I remember a wonderful moment, you appeared before me, like a fleeting vision, like a genius of pure beauty." Really, okay? Talented? And only at dawn, when the last lines were completed, I remembered that this verse had already been written by A. Pushkin. Such a hit from a classic! BUT?

    To answer the question that torments the author, it is enough to simply decipher and translate into Russian the abbreviation HIMARS - High Mobility Artillery Rocket System - a highly mobile artillery rocket system.
    And the M270 is MLRS - Multiple Launch Rocket System - multiple launch rocket system.
    By the way, to replace the ATACMS missiles, the production of Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) tactical missiles with a declared range of 500 kilometers and the possibility of hitting moving targets in the future has already begun.
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 09: 26
      +1
      it is enough to simply decipher and translate into Russian the abbreviation HIMARS - High Mobility Artillery Rocket System - a highly mobile artillery rocket system.

      So, what is next

      This somehow contradicts the stated topic of the material - that the design and method of application of the highmars are not similar to what is considered to be the RSZO
      And the M270 is MLRS - Multiple Launch Rocket System - multiple launch rocket system.

      This is a custom MLRS installation designed half a century ago

      Since then, everything has changed, leaving only guides and caliber
      1. Nephilim
        Nephilim 19 September 2022 12: 20
        0
        With the same success, you can write an article "that the design and method of using" mortars "are not similar to what is considered" a gun.
  7. Old ensign
    Old ensign 19 September 2022 09: 03
    0
    Quote: Santa Fe
    The author is not competent, does not own the topic

    Of course, it was very important to hear the opinion of such a specialist as the Old Ensign. I learned a lot from you
    I would like to send the author ... to

    Bite for
    to the website of the data manufacturer of the RSZO, everything is painted there,

    There will only be a picture with a rocket launch and general performance characteristics

    Interesting and unique information on the Internet should be searched with special care.

    I didn't mean to offend you. I'm so "prickly" in life. Sorry.
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 09: 25
      +1
      I'm so "prickly" in life. Sorry.

      Yes, everything is fine! hi

      In the heat of discussion
  8. Kuziming
    Kuziming 19 September 2022 09: 24
    0
    This rapier is adopted by the enemy instead of the good old club, and is completely unsuitable for defeating a large area. Here, look, a small triangular wound in the region of the heart, or here's another - breaking through the temporal bone. Our club is able to completely break the skull, and crush the opponent's chest.
    Yes, the rapier is longer and faster than the club, but this is where its advantages end.
    1. Krilion
      Krilion 19 October 2022 07: 33
      +4
      I will continue the analogy .. while you sprinkle the enemy with chalk and brandish your club, the enemy will have time to gouge out both your eyes with a rapier and deliver a couple of blows right in the heart, after which he will calmly leave ...
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 19 September 2022 09: 28
    -3
    You can call it whatever you like, but if it has the appropriate launchers, then it is a MLRS.
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 09: 35
      +4
      We cannot turn a blind eye to the purpose and methods of application

      Hymars fires at targets against which MLRS have not previously been used. These are point objects in the near rear

      He shoots at the same point. Again, MLRS were never used like this

      Finally, its design - it has lost the density of fire, it has only six missiles. Again, because it is not used as a MLRS system
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 19 September 2022 09: 51
    -3
    The predecessors of the UkroFashni had such a wundertank, they called it a "jagdpanther". It was valued so much that it was simply forbidden to use it as an assault weapon, like the same STuG-III. Even the "nashorns" were sometimes driven into the attack instead of tanks, where they were burned without asking for a name, and these were cherished, using only to repel tank breakthroughs, as a result, despite the small number of those released, a very considerable percentage of them survived until the spring of 1945.

    So if the dill with its 3.5 cars rush about like with a written bag, then they can live for a long time, and the fact that at the front at this time every day 1000 soldiers of the ukrovermacht turn into fertilizer is not important.
  11. Negro
    Negro 19 September 2022 09: 57
    +6
    Kaptsov, hmm, a familiar surname. Is this an hour not a specialist in the war of battleships with Arleigh Burks? It hasn't been for a long time.

    Naturally, the above has little to do with reality.

    The M270 was an improved Hurricane combined with an improved Point. Quite a working idea, it showed itself well. The range of the MLRS in the late 90s was increased to 45 km. 12 guides vs 16 for the Hurricane, but fast burst reload.

    Hymars has never been a MLRS. It was originally designed as a small high-precision OTRK. OTRK is designed for the same American capabilities for reconnaissance of targets - it can and should cover a specific weapon, a specific vehicle or tent. The coordinates will be given to him by the incomparable American intelligence system. A sort of "long arm" of the division commander, or even the brigade, so as not to call in helicopters / drones. In recent months, we have seen him in a completely atypical role for him as an OTRK of operational significance (for the owners, aviation does this work) - and the results, to put it mildly, are interesting.

    By the way, according to reports from the field, the old packages were still found, and with the advent of a sufficient number of M270s of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is also used as an analogue of the Hurricane. Quite a useful thing. Covers the entire right bank, for example.
  12. Cheburek
    Cheburek 19 September 2022 10: 11
    +4
    Hymars is a new type of evolutionary network-centric weapon that occupies an intermediate position between rocket artillery and short-range cruise / tactical missiles - both in price and in capabilities. Its task is not to cover the area, or to destroy piece objects in the depths of the enemy’s defense, but to inexpensively destroy certain important and expensive targets on the front line and in the near rear of the advancing troops. In the USSR, the technologies of that time were just beginning to approach similar systems in the form of the same red fields, and already in the 21st century, with the development of networks and data processing technologies, they just received the missing element - target designation and real-time guidance. For the Russian Federation, the problem of creating such systems is their scientific and intellectual complexity and cost, because their application requires a large number of systems: UAVs, satellite constellation of reconnaissance and surveillance, satellite positioning systems, AWACS, surveillance systems for infantry and equipment, broadband satellite communication systems, large computing centers with AI and decision support systems and much, much, much more integrated into a single system. In the Russian Federation, in one form or another, there is a part of the described systems, because they have been trying to implement the network-centric concept since the early 2000s, but they are either not completed, or made somehow, or not integrated to work together,
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 10: 19
      +3
      Hymars is a new type of ... weapon that occupies an intermediate position between rocket artillery and short-range cruise / tactical missiles

      I fully agree with your opinion
      1. cold wind
        cold wind 19 September 2022 11: 30
        -1
        The principle is to consider weapons from the strategy for which they were created erroneously. The current strategy for the use of the US Armed Forces, in principle, does not provide for inaccurate long-range weapons. Barrel artillery still retains "ordinary" shells, but their age is not long. In addition, they are easy to convert to manageable using PGK.
        The MLRS niche was occupied by barrel artillery. Naturally, modern HIMARS / MLRS have nothing to do with MLRS, the same Iskanders can be launched in a salvo of 2 missiles, and calibers from ships in a salvo of 8-16 missiles, which does not make them MLRS, although they are reactive and can be fired in salvo.
        The US Armed Forces are currently working on a variety of long-range ground-based weapons, roughly categorized as follows:
        1~60 km - cannon artillery, mobile missile systems, kamikaze drones
        60 ~ 600 km - 155-mm cannon artillery with active rockets, HIMARS / MLRS
        600~1600 km - MRC (SM-6, tomahawk)
        1600~2600 km - LRHW
      2. Hitriy Zhuk
        Hitriy Zhuk 20 September 2022 13: 44
        0
        The same "neither there nor here"? belay
  13. Daniil Budik
    Daniil Budik 19 September 2022 11: 23
    -3
    In principle, I agree.
    But it must be added that HIMAR carries a birth trauma associated with a low culture of engineering design in the USA (hehe). Or rather, the presence of a beam crane on the launcher. Moreover, the delivery of packages with missiles is carried out by a truck with a crane. And it turns out that each launcher serves two crane. When the Jewish people, and not he alone, came up with more advanced schemes.
    But this might not be a problem. The main problem: female restrictions on the package with rockets. First of all, overall.
    When Russian modern systems are Uragan-1M, they do not have such a problem. And for them, you can make any package of guides. And they can be serviced by ordinary commercial trucks with a manipulator. Fortunately, in our country, they guessed to make a package weighing seven tons.
    P.S. And I didn't worry about the Poles. The Germans will pay. :-)
  14. iouris
    iouris 19 September 2022 11: 24
    0
    Quote: "But no one paid attention to the main thing." End of quote.
    Even when the Supreme Commander said that it was "just a replacement for a knocked-out Soviet MLRS," I immediately wrote about future unpleasant and even grave consequences. The optimal method of dealing with the Hymars is a nuclear strike on the United States.
  15. runway-1
    runway-1 19 September 2022 12: 02
    -1
    However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The Hymars had spent enough time in the war zone for casualties to form among them.
    In other words, I'd like to believe...
  16. Bogalex
    Bogalex 19 September 2022 14: 23
    +2
    Everything written by the author makes no sense if you just remember that HIMARS is capable of firing both guided (M30, M31 type) and regular unguided (M26 type) shells for MLRS.
    If you do not forget about this, you can not read the article beyond the first paragraph.
  17. vadim dok
    vadim dok 19 September 2022 16: 51
    +2
    What does HIMARS MLRS matter or not? An owl on a stump or a stump on an owl! Does its job and is very good!
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 21: 44
      +1
      What does HIMARS MLRS matter or not?

      1. Hits targets that have never been fired on by MLRS before. Point targets, for example, yesterday a full package flew over the administration building in Kherson

      2. Mobile and secretive, all due to the fact that it is too small and light for the 227 mm MLRS. After all, this is a weapon with other capabilities, fire performance and the number of guides do not play a role for it.
  18. boriz
    boriz 19 September 2022 20: 13
    -2
    And how is our Ball fundamentally different from the Chimeras? Shoots both at sea and land targets. 8 guides.
    Range 260 km with Kh35U.
    1. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 20 September 2022 13: 42
      0
      PR. We don't have much more than that.
      1. boriz
        boriz 24 September 2022 15: 34
        0
        We're not talking about PR. And they did as much as ordered.
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 September 2022 21: 05
    +5
    "The estimated deviation of the Smerch shells at a distance of 70 km does not exceed 150 m" ///
    ----
    This is calculated. But in practice, missiles spread over 70 km
    calmly reaches 1 km.
    This has been observed in Syria more than once.
    Therefore, it turns out not "scorched earth",
    and randomly falling powerful missiles where they hit.
    Therefore, shooting at 70 km with unguided rockets is stupidity.
    1. Santa Fe
      19 September 2022 21: 50
      0
      This has been observed in Syria more than once.
      Therefore, it turns out not "scorched earth",
      and randomly falling powerful missiles where they hit.
      Therefore, shooting at 70 km with unguided rockets is stupidity.

      In the Syrian desert - not effectively, in Israeli territory very much so. Around the city and kibbutzim, someone will definitely be hooked by fragments and a shock wave
  20. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 19 September 2022 21: 40
    +2
    Uff ... HIMARS is not just suitable for covering area targets, it is better (!) For this than classic MLRS. Because the missiles of the classic MLRS lie down in an ellipsoid familiar to every gunner. And it's a matter of chance whether some part of it will be hit by several missiles at once, but another will not get a single one. But each of the HIMARS rockets is programmed individually for its geographic coordinates. You can put everything at one point for a reliable defeat. But after all, it is possible to set the points of arrival with a chess or hexagonal grid in order to guarantee, but without enumeration, to ensure that the entire area is covered. Of course, six HIMARS missiles cannot cover a large area. Well, you can shoot with a battery. And you can shoot the same missiles from MLRS, which have twice as many pipes. And yes, it seems to someone that Smerch is cheap, then its rocket costs 7 million rubles.
  21. kig
    kig 20 September 2022 02: 16
    +2
    Here's what I didn't understand: well, they proved to us that Hymars is not a MLRS, thanks. Opened their eyes, unreasonable. The practical meaning of the proof should be to explain how to deal with them. And he is not. And in general, the general meaning of the article is that since this is not a MLRS, then there is no sense in it. However, our Defense Ministry reports on the destruction of Hymars shells in pieces! It doesn't seem to think so.

    Or this:
    Disabling kilometer bridges was hardly taken into account when developing 227-mm GMLRS rockets.
    - The Armed Forces of Ukraine, apparently, did not know about this, and as a result disabled the bridge. By the way, it is not clear why they did not hit the floating bridge. Or they don't tell us.

    Well, in general, if, then it looks like the Armed Forces of Ukraine are generally fighting against the rules, but our generals .. however, article 280.3 begins here
    1. Santa Fe
      30 September 2022 19: 56
      0
      The Armed Forces, apparently, did not know about this, and as a result disabled the bridge

      How many hits did it take?

      1. kig
        kig 1 October 2022 09: 15
        -1
        Quote: Santa Fe
        How many hits did it take?
        What difference does it make if there is a result. Judging by the pictures, they hit at one point.
  22. Mazunga
    Mazunga 20 September 2022 13: 18
    0
    Ndaa, Oka needs to urgently restore which the spotty Sidor cut so that the devils put a pitchfork in his ass
  23. Hitriy Zhuk
    Hitriy Zhuk 20 September 2022 13: 41
    0
    Ammunition carriers are attached to each HIMARS battery - according to the state, two vehicles per launcher. These are ordinary 6x6 trucks, which are distinguished by the presence of a crane-manipulator and "shoes" for missile containers.

    Well, yes, it "charges itself", but the "cart" is essentially the same as our "charger". wassat
  24. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 22 September 2022 08: 14
    +1
    And what does the Belarusian "Polonaise" look like against the background of these installations?
  25. 3danimal
    3danimal 27 September 2022 13: 42
    -1
    four full salvos of HIMARS outweigh the cost of the launcher itself. The Poles, apparently, forgot to count the ammunition load for 500 launchers.

    Did the author decide to spare the money of Polish taxpayers?
    IMHO, if necessary, shells will be supplied to them in advance, since the supplier can afford it.
    In addition, in war, mission accomplishment is more important than the cost of ammunition used.
  26. 3danimal
    3danimal 27 September 2022 13: 49
    0
    Many experts agree that the APU was able to use the Hymars so actively due to access to services that provide high-resolution satellite imagery. And daily data updates. Such as the commercial company Maxar, which has its own constellation of satellites and tools for data analysis.

    The author forgets that it is highly likely that the United States is sharing intelligence with the Ukrainian military. And this is data from satellites and AWACS aircraft.
    Yes, the United States is completely emboldened, but they didn’t have anything for it. What pushes them to continue interfering with the ongoing .. NWO.
  27. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 5 October 2022 11: 12
    0
    Why HIMARS is not a MLRS. Because HIMARS is a versatile launcher. Which, depending on what type of missiles will be loaded, can be used as a tactical or operational-tactical missile system. And with missiles in a cassette version, it can be used as a MLRS. Even with a smaller number of guides compared to our MLRS. And, accordingly, a smaller area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdamage. But still, HIMARS can be used as a MLRS.
  28. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 8 October 2022 12: 37
    0
    And what does it change. If they load a large rocket - a tactical missile system. If a package of 6 smaller missiles - a long-range MLRS. Just what does it change?
  29. Parvis rasulov
    Parvis rasulov 19 October 2022 06: 51
    0
    High Mobility Artillery Rocket System; highly mobile Artillery Rocket Complex in the very name of the complex it is written that this is not a MLRS, by the way, its analogue if you take the Soviet systems, then in the USSR there was an artillery missile system Korshun
  30. Krilion
    Krilion 19 October 2022 07: 19
    +2
    It’s high time for the Russian Armed Forces to move away from firing at areas and spending echelons of ammunition in order to destroy a couple of enemy fighters ... everyone already understands that the future belongs to high-precision weapons .. be it kamikaze UAVs, guided projectiles or tactical missiles ... the cheapness of unguided projectiles this is a myth, taking into account the amount required to achieve the result .. the imaginary effectiveness of the MLRS also rests on logistics problems, when, in addition to an incredible amount of ammunition, it is necessary to use the same incredible amount of transport to transport them .. and this is not counting the needs for their storage places , which are susceptible to damage due to their size ..
  31. Kuziming
    Kuziming 21 October 2022 09: 53
    0
    Quote: Krilion
    I will continue the analogy .. while you sprinkle the enemy with chalk and brandish your club, the enemy will have time to gouge out both your eyes with a rapier and deliver a couple of blows right in the heart, after which he will calmly leave ...

    Excellent, I caught the analogy, sorry, I didn’t feel sarcasm. good
  32. DO
    DO 22 October 2022 03: 08
    0
    I read the comments. Despite the scatter of opinions of experts on the classification of Hymars, none of them doubted the high effectiveness of this weapon in the NWO and the methodology for its use.
    Therefore, priority measures are taken to counter the Hymars.
    In addition to air defense and highmars hunting, which are unlikely to be improved significantly, measures are required that are not sufficiently developed today. This is, first of all, of course, the maximum violation of the logistics of both the complexes themselves and their ammunition, starting from the western borders of Ukraine.
    Secondly, the accuracy and efficiency of the use of Hymars today is entirely dependent on the satellite constellation of "partners", which is used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine indefinitely. These are GPS, and reconnaissance satellites, and communications.
    Of course, reconnaissance satellites can be replaced by reconnaissance UAVs and AWACS aircraft, and GPS and communication satellites by ground-based positioning and communication systems. But, firstly, it takes time and resources, secondly, they are less effective, and thirdly, they are more vulnerable.
    How exactly to counteract satellites is a closed question for specialists and politicians today.
  33. AG-76
    AG-76 3 November 2022 11: 56
    0
    ... our military strategists, apparently, "slapped their ears" on the next round in the development of modern weapons ...
    -------------------------------------------------- -----------
    It looks like military "strategists" and intelligence have been flapping their ears for at least the last 8 years.
    What is cardinally new (rather than the modernized Soviet legacy) is being used in mass quantities on the fronts of the NWO?
  34. vm68dm
    vm68dm 13 November 2022 12: 30
    0
    . 9K512 "Uragan-1M" - Russian bicaliber (220 mm / 300 mm) multiple launch rocket system with batch replacement of guides.
  35. vm68dm
    vm68dm 13 November 2022 12: 34
    0
    . MLRS 9K58 "Kama" on the chassis KamAZ-6350
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  36. usm5
    usm5 19 November 2022 18: 45
    0
    Russia overslept the NATO satellite constellation without developing means to neutralize it. It is this satellite constellation that ensures the effectiveness of NATO weapons. And we must begin with the suppression of this satellite constellation in the first place. This is the only way to win this war without colossal losses.
  37. Alexy
    Alexy 24 November 2022 16: 45
    0
    The author is right - this is not rszo, but otrk. And Ukraine received them many times more than it is declared. NATO's task was to deprive Russia of its advantage in artillery and missile forces, which made it possible to turn its own into a protracted war. And Russia, as we see, was not ready for war. But these are questions for planning this own.
  38. acetophenone
    acetophenone Today, 17: 54
    0
    ...за океаном полностью отказались от идеи стрельбы по площадям. Насколько оправданным или преждевременным было это решение – покажут грядущие конфликты.

    Пуля ударила Штирлица в лоб, отскочила и рикошетом убила шофёра. Штирлиц насторожился. (с)
    The most important point is related to the issuance of target designation. As the events of the NMD demonstrate, control over the situation and movements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine leaves much to be desired.

    Ну, да, одни стреляют туда, куда надо, а другие - куда попало. Почувствуйте разницу. На сегодняшний день отсутствие индивидуального наведения для такого бревна, как снаряд для "Смерч" - это нонсенс.