"Tornado-S" will receive a new projectile from the UAV

MLRS "Tornado-S". Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The Tornado-S multiple launch rocket system can use a wide range of 300-mm rockets with different flight characteristics and different combat equipment. In particular, missiles with a load in the form of unmanned aerial vehicles for various purposes are being developed. Recently it became known that such a UAV can carry electronic warfare equipment.

Perspective development

In mid-April, the head of the electronic warfare troops of the Russian army, Lieutenant-General Yuri Lastochkin, spoke about plans to create new systems and complexes. Among other things, he mentioned new electronic warfare systems based on MLRS and UAVs. However, no details were given.

New information on this subject was published by Izvestia on September 2. From its sources in the military department, the publication learned that development work is currently underway to create a new electronic warfare complex. Some information about its functions and capabilities is given, but the technical details are not specified.

The new project provides for the creation of a light UAV with electronic warfare devices on board. Limited dimensions will allow it to be placed in the head of a 300-mm rocket for the Tornado-S MLRS. With the help of a rocket, such a drone will be delivered to a given area at a distance of tens of kilometers. There he will barrage for some time and perform his tasks. Return is not provided.

Scheme of the 9M534 projectile with an UAV on board. Missilery.info graphics

It is reported that the equipment on board the UAV will be able to detect and suppress radio communication channels, radar signals, etc. At the same time, the exact characteristics of such an electronic warfare system are not reported.

The electronic warfare complex based on MLRS and UAVs can be used in offensive and defensive operations. Its presence will significantly expand the capabilities of rocket artillery and ground forces in general. At the same time, the air platform used will provide the necessary flight and technical characteristics, as well as reduce the cost of combat work. Besides, Drones take over the work of jamming aircraft or helicopters - and they will not be at risk.

It is not known how far the work has progressed. The timing of the completion of the project and the subsequent adoption of the complex into service is also unknown. Probably, news this kind will appear later, when the project reaches testing, and its future becomes clear.

Finished sample

It should be noted that the current project of a special missile for "Tornado-S" is not the first of its kind. Experiments with the placement of UAVs in a 300-mm rocket began back in the nineties. In the future, the development of unmanned vehicles made it possible to create a modern project with high performance.

At the end of the 90s, Enix introduced the T300 UAV, designed for use in 9-mm rockets. In turn, NPO Splav, which is developing domestic MLRS, has developed a 534MXNUMX missile for such a UAV. To simplify future production, such a projectile was unified as much as possible with the other range of ammunition for the Smerch MLRS.

T90 drone in folded configuration. Photo Missilery.info

The T90 is an aircraft-type UAV with a specific design. It was built in a cylindrical fuselage and equipped with two pairs of planes. When inside the rocket, the planes are folded along the fuselage; when reset, they open up, and the UAV starts flying. Two keels of the lower location are made in a similar way.

The drone received a pulsating air-jet engine. A video camera with equipment for signal transmission to the operator's console was placed in the bow. A remote control system with some degree of autonomy was used. Communication range - 70 km.

The length of the T90 product slightly exceeds 1,5 m, the fuselage diameter is 200 mm. The span of the front wing is 1,915 m, the rear wing is 2,52 m. The starting weight is 40 kg. With the help of a PuVRD, the drone can reach speeds of up to 150 km/h. The duration of the flight is up to half an hour. On tests, the UAV was equipped with a landing parachute, but in a combat situation, the return of the product is not provided.

In 2017, NPO Splav reported that the projectile from the UAV was already ready and was waiting for the customer. Last fall, it became known about the assembly of an experimental batch of such products. In the near future it was planned to use it in preliminary tests. Such events and their results have not yet been reported, but the planned tests should not take long. Based on their results, the Ministry of Defense may adopt a new projectile into service.

Development potential

Thus, the domestic defense industry proposed and implemented an original idea in the field of ammunition for MLRS quite a long time ago, and now it is engaged in its further development. A 300-mm projectile with a reconnaissance UAV has been developed and successfully brought to testing, and work is underway on an ammunition carrier for an EW-equipped drone.

T90 in flight position, rear view. Photo Missilery.info

It can be expected that this direction will be further developed, and in the foreseeable future, new ammunition for the Smerch / Tornado-S from other types of UAVs will appear. Future drones will be able to expand the range of tasks to be solved or become a replacement for existing products. In general, the prospects for the direction depend only on the wishes of the customer, while the industry has already proven its ability to create such projects.

If the existing models pass the tests and are put into service, the whole direction will be further developed. It is possible to develop shells from UAVs for other purposes. In addition, there is a need to create a modern analogue of the T90 product with higher performance and on the current component base.

A rather successful platform in the form of an existing 300 mm caliber rocket contributes to the further development of the direction. It has a payload compartment with a length of more than 1,5 m and a diameter of 280-290 mm. The carrying capacity of the ammunition exceeds 250 kg. The firing range, depending on the modification, can exceed 70 km.

As recent projects show, modern technologies and the element base make it possible to create a compact UAV that fits into a rocket and shows high performance. Due to a special launch method, it is possible to increase the radius of operation of the complex as a whole and drastically reduce the flight time to a given area.

The "Tornado-S" system fires. Photo by NPO "Splav"

The use of drones with different functions can improve the capabilities of the MLRS. So, a UAV with optical equipment can be used for additional reconnaissance of a target before firing and subsequent adjustment of fire. Loitering ammunition can be created in addition to other missiles and drones. In this case, all the advantages of this class will be combined with the characteristic features of 300-mm shells.

Of great interest is the idea of ​​a drone with an electronic warfare system. Such a product will be able to detect sources of radio signals and issue target designation to the MLRS. In addition, with the help of interference, he will have to suppress counter-battery radars and reduce the likelihood of a retaliatory strike.

It should be noted that "Tornado-S" will be able to use shells from the UAV along with regular ammunition. This means that one combat vehicle will solve several different tasks at once, and its fire and combat capabilities will improve. You will have to pay for this with some reduction in the impact part of the ammunition, but the UAV shells fully compensate for these losses.

New Components

The development of domestic multiple launch rocket systems continues. To improve the efficiency of combat vehicles, new means of fire control, navigation and communications are used. Improved rockets are being developed. In addition, it is proposed to introduce new components for this area, such as UAVs for various purposes.

The first projectile of a new type with an unusual load has already been tested and may enter service in the foreseeable future. A new ammunition of this kind with electronic warfare functions is also being developed. The latest news shows that the army is showing interest in these developments. They get a chance to enter service, as a result of which rocket artillery will be able to further improve their capabilities.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

new electronic warfare systems based on MLRS and UAVs.

"I doubt it." EW will be low-power on UAVs, which means it will be ineffective. I assume, electronic warfare devices of directional or sectoral action. On UAVs, electronic warfare can be turned on when the aircraft dives at an object and "instantly" gives out the entire energy pulse to "burn" the electronics. Although this is fantasy and electronic warfare works on other physical principles, the amount of energy on board is limited and the impulsiveness of the action can increase the effect of the application.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mavrikiy

"I doubt it." EW will be low-power on UAVs, which means it will be ineffective.

The author was a little mistaken, not electronic warfare, but RER - RE intelligence! So it's ok!

Such a product can identify sources of radio signals and issue target designation for MLRS

The thing is good, but the communication range of 70 km is not enough, because the MLRS fire can fire up to 120, or even 200 km.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The thing is good, but the communication range of 70 km is not enough, because the MLRS fire can fire up to 120, or even 200 km.

We need an UAV repeater, I don’t know what it is, but I need it.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mavrikiy

I need a UAV repeater, I don’t know what it is

No one knows!

Quote: Mavrikiy

but needed.

But no one argues.

[Civil]

Doesn't launching a single missile, even from an UAV, unmask the position? Why such difficulties when there are normal options?!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Civil

Doesn't launching a single missile, even from an UAV, unmask the position?

Sensible remark! But the problem, with some thought, is quite solvable.
First. A specially dedicated vehicle with only UAVs, working in the interests of several artillery units. Change of position is not a problem at all, you see.
Second. Launching a missile with an UAV by a vehicle in the division and a quick change and taking the main position before launching its own missiles, because the UAV can be in the air for 30 minutes.
Well, the third, the most risky, but you never know, anything can happen. Launch from the main position, additional reconnaissance of the target within 1-2 - several minutes, missile launch.

Quote: Civil

Why such difficulties when there are normal options?!

In general, the lightning-fast delivery of the UAV behind enemy lines is more than a normal option. And with a long-distance connection, it's generally excellent.

[Arigin]

According to a previously reconnoitered target, the launch of "combat" shells, and the closing one - from a UAV, for additional reconnaissance and assessment of the defeat. While the crew is changing position and reloading, the command may decide to repeat the raid, or even enough.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Arigin

According to a previously reconnoitered target, the launch of "combat" shells, and the closing one - from a UAV, for additional reconnaissance and assessment of the defeat.

In general, the problem is solved!

[Puzoter]

And what are the normal options with working off, for example, according to Hymers? At the distance of his guided missile firing, his coordinates can only be determined approximately. It is useless to launch an ordinary UAV for search, because it will leave / hide. And the drone from Tornado will be in the target area in minutes, detecting the hymers and working on it will become an order of magnitude easier.

[Sergei Kazarin]

Make a kamikaze out of Orlan-10

[Puzoter]

The eagle will fly by now, there will be no one there. We need a disposable non-motorized drone (glider). A normal glider from a height of 3 km will plan an hour to the ground, and if a search for updrafts is put into its flight controller, then in the summer it will fly all day.

[Sergei Kazarin]

If dozens of Orlans constantly patrol, then in the presence of explosives, and a lot is not needed for a chimars, if they are detected, they can immediately attack and not wait for anyone

[Puzoter]

This is true, but the price of the issue is ten times more. With the same efficiency

[Last centurion]

For the repeater, you can make a charge inflated with helium - a balloon with a repeater suspension. For example. We shoot at 70 km with a repeater, and even further with a UAV. But I'm sure they won't do it .... Because it's innovative. And we are all clumsy. If intelligence is UAV, or quadric. And a balloon or a micro-airship with a camera and a traitor would be less vulnerable (less metal), you can’t shoot down a stingar, because it’s not warm, but shooting 2-3 km up with harm missiles on a ball is expensive, and a helicopter taking off to destroy from a cannon is an excellent target for air defense

[Dost]

Laughed, but I support.

[DO]

We need an UAV repeater, I don’t know what it is, but I need it.

:)))
A repeater UAV is an UAV that hangs in the blue sky and relays the control signal to a remote drone, from the ground control center and back.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The author was a little mistaken, not electronic warfare, but RER - RE intelligence! So it's ok!

Well, as if it does not pull on a typo.

It is reported that the equipment on board the UAV will be able to detect and suppress radio communication channels, radar signals, etc.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mavrikiy

It is reported that the equipment on board the UAV will be able to detect and suppress radio communication channels, radar signals, etc.

Guilty, I missed it. Then I agree that they got excited about the electronic warfare in the description, most likely the PR people of the design bureau, the author usually does not draw conclusions himself. But RER is quite possible in this dimension, you will agree.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

. But RER is quite possible in this dimension, you will agree.

What am I,

A video camera with equipment for transmitting a signal to the operator's console was placed in the bow. A remote control system with some degree of autonomy was used.

[neworange88]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Mavrikiy

"I doubt it." EW will be low-power on UAVs, which means it will be ineffective.

The author was a little mistaken, not electronic warfare, but RER - RE intelligence! So it's ok!

Such a product can identify sources of radio signals and issue target designation for MLRS

The thing is good, but the communication range of 70 km is not enough, because the MLRS fire can fire up to 120, or even 200 km.

The Poles write that Russia has begun mass production of new 300-mm guided missiles for the Tornado-S tactical missile system, capable of successfully hitting targets at a distance of up to 200 km. On Tornado-S, this is what the Polish military portal Defence24 writes.

.With the use of new technologies, this system should be able to deal with disparate enemy units with a single salvo of missiles. This is made possible by the ability to individually adjust the preferred range and azimuth angle for each launched missile. After leaving the launcher, which determines the missile's flight path, each of them must aim at a specific target using satellite navigation. It can also automatically receive and process information from intelligence units or unmanned aerial vehicles.

In parallel, preparations are underway for the start of preliminary tests of a new 300-mm missile capable of carrying reconnaissance drones. According to the general concept, they will have to be delivered directly to the combat area at supersonic speed at a very high altitude. The future system is designed to conduct reconnaissance at a distance of more than 100 km from the launcher and transfer the necessary data to it both day and night. As an option, laser "illumination" of the target for precision-guided munitions is also possible.

Источник: https://discover24.ru/2021/11/defence24-rossiyskaya-sistema-tornado-s-gotovitsya-strelyat-na-dalnost-do-200-km

[musketon64]

Quote from: neworange88

The Poles write that Russia has begun mass production of new 300-mm guided missiles for the Tornado-S tactical missile system, capable of successfully hitting targets at a distance of up to 200 km.

This is what else! But the North Koreans are armed with 600-mm MLRS (!) For 4 missiles. They are guided by GLONAS and Beidou. The range is about 300 km.

[neworange88]

So you compared a 300-mm projectile with a 600-mm one. It's like comparing a 122-mm projectile from Tornado-G with a 300-mm projectile from Tornado-S.

[musketon64]

Yes, I did not compare. So, information about the presence of MLRS of such a super-caliber in service with the DPRK army. One thing is obvious - the most powerful high-precision ammunition thanks to the satellite guidance system.

[max702]

It won’t take off ... Expensive, not technologically advanced and hardly realizable .. Alas, it looks like a "general's" cut because it smells of very big money. In order for all this to work, it is necessary to fully deploy the system of centric command and control, which, to put it mildly, is not realistic (in our reality), but as a separate element it will not make sense ..

[neworange88]

. It won’t take off ... Expensive, not technologically advanced and hardly realizable .. Alas, it looks like a "general's" cut because it smells of very big money.

Standard set of CIPSO arguments.

[max702]

Well, in fact? All the design bureaus are littered with expensive projects, and the soldiers don’t have banal boots .. As there are no necessary simplest UAVs, medicine is not so hot with communications, it’s traditionally a disaster, but here they sculpt an expensive prodigy that no one will use on an ongoing basis, alas .. Why are they sawing here, but it’s not there, but you just can’t write off money on shoes, they’re either good or shit and you can’t hide it, but on something incredibly complicated it’s easy .. The topic is apparently ancient and has now been revived, then it’s not to the village not to the city, then this such..

[neworange88]

Probably because boots do not solve much on the battlefield, unlike the "expensive prodigy." The simplest UAVs already exist. We will also deal with the rest of the shortcomings over time.

[max702]

Tell about the boots to the fighters in the NVO, the simplest UAVs are not yet in development and in the troops, there are Chinese, but there are few of them and they were by no means purchased by the RF Ministry of Defense. Over time, we will deal with a lot with those who organize such stillborn projects, because they will do something, but in fact they will not be applied, the USA has such an office DARPA, here they are with similar projects and are doing what we like to make fun of, what we have is similar, this is EDPN..

[stankow]

Well, finally give the army boots, if possible "banal"! And then you see without them - you can’t catch a crocodile, UAVs don’t take off!

[Andy_nsk]

I also doubt the effectiveness of a projectile in the form of an UAV, primarily because it will experience decent overloads when launching a rocket (which places high demands on the mechanical strength of the equipment), a limited volume, especially in diameter. Such a missile will have obviously losing characteristics both in terms of performance characteristics and cost compared to a conventional UAV. And very confusing disposability. Scattering money.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote from Andy_nsk

Such missiles there will be obviously losing characteristics both in terms of performance characteristics and in terms of cost compared to a conventional UAV.

Described - UAV

[Andy_nsk]

It seems that he wrote everything correctly: an UAV launched by a rocket will lose in terms of performance characteristics and cost of an UAV launched from the ground or from a catapult, since it will not have strict size restrictions and will not experience large overloads when launching a rocket.

[Azim77]

Each of the UAVs has its own purpose.

But will also win:
1. by the speed of reaching the destination area
2. in terms of range and / or time of barrage, due to the lack of consumption of own fuel for a flight to this zone.
3. for ease of use, in connection with the unification with conventional rockets.

With this in mind, as an option, you can use it as a spotter. A UAV shot, its exit to a position, followed by a volley of rockets - a visual adjustment.

[Andy_nsk]

But will also win:
1. by the speed of reaching the destination area
2. in terms of range and / or time of barrage, due to the lack of consumption of own fuel for a flight to this zone.
3. for ease of use, in connection with the unification with conventional rockets.

Ready to agree with you on item 1. The other two are controversial. For a classic UAV, the loitering time can easily be increased to a day or more by increasing the fuel tank (for gasoline and turbojet engines). Electric models also have the ability to increase flight time by increasing the volume of the battery (but battery power sources have more modest indicators). But for an UAV launched by a rocket, you can’t increase both the battery and the fuel tank.
As for unification, it is very limited, only for launch, but otherwise the UAV will require completely different equipment (control panel, communication channel, etc.), control methods and even the composition of the combat crew (or a combination of rather heterogeneous specialization) .

[Azim77]

Below in the comments there is a version of the UAV, in the form of a guided kamikaze projectile thrown far to the enemy. Those. when loitering is needed for a short time. In my opinion, with the importance of speed and accuracy, especially on mobile valuable objects - the scheme in the article also has a place to be.

In any case, the emergence and use of UAVs, if not a revolution, then a new milestone in aviation and weapons. And therefore, experiments and studies are important, in the course of which new tasks and purposes for their use can be opened up for UAVs.

[stankow]

Disposable, because kamikaze. The layout is directly written off from the Lancet. And the advantages, thanks to a powerful carrier, are huge - in 2 minutes over the target, by max. speed and max. height. Without losing a single gram of fuel. The entire payload is on the warhead.

[Silver99]

These hostilities will give impetus to the development of artillery weapons, in the USSR there were many promising developments ahead of their time.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

And this grandmother said in two.

[Magic archer]

I remember reading an article in popular mechanics about the development of a swarm of drones. And they were launched just from the MLRS. Some as reconnaissance and guidance, others as kamikazes. Moreover, it was 7-8 years ago .... and the Americans developed this system .. ..

[demiurg]

Cyril, you have an ordinary Tornado in your title photo. At Tornado-S, programmers are clearly visible at the end of the guides. By the way, you can see them in the last photo. At least read a little about what you write.
And then they give me warnings for trolling.

[Arigin]

The regular BM Smerch also has programmers, so it is hardly possible to distinguish BM Smerch from Tornado outwardly.

[demiurg]

And why were they used on a standard tornado?

Adjustable ammunition appeared after the Tornado.

[Arigin]

To enter data into the onboard correction equipment. Regular tornado shells are considered to be adjustable, and Tornadov ones are already controlled. Don't thank.

[frog]

At least read a little about what you write.

What for? Seeing letters and understanding the meaning are different competencies, especially here

And then they give me warnings for trolling.

And to whom?) How can I issue a warning to the author for trolling readers?

[rocket757]

"Tornado-S" will receive a new projectile from the UAV

will receive ... when, what and how much??? I don’t even want to discuss it, but when it gets it, in “commercial quantities”, then it will be the subject of discussion, not earlier.

[certero]

How many similar articles have I read before my own. And, I confess, I was sincerely sure that everything is in order with our drones.
And now such articles sound like a mockery. Drones were needed yesterday and are urgently needed now.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well... it will come in handy! To counteract counter-battery radars, for example, the idea of ​​​​using rocket and artillery shells with a passive radar seeker has long been suggested ... To do this, for example, in the Krasnopol artillery shell, replace the semi-active laser seeker with a PRL.GOS. Some time ago, in the USA, they developed a reconnaissance UAV in the form factor of a 155-mm artillery projectile ... In the "West" they are also developing especially compact turbojet engines for loitering ammunition (AT missiles) using gas turbines and compressors used in systems turbocharged automotive D.V.S. It is known that such developments also exist in Russia, but they are mainly carried out by private "persons and companies", without the support of the RF Ministry of Defense ... Perhaps, in artillery shells and warheads of the RS, the use of a quadrocopter circuit with battery power supply ...

[neworange88]

And how do you like this option? Research work is underway to create a new high-precision guided missile for the Russian 300-mm Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems.

.« For the first time for MLRS ammunition, the missile will receive a combined homing head (GOS). For aiming at the target, the missile will use thermal imaging and television guidance channels, as well as an additional semi-active laser system, ”RIA Novosti quoted a source as saying. According to the source, “the stage of bench tests of the GOS for the new missile will begin in the near future."

https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/5/11/1098505.html

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from: neworange88

And how do you like this option? Research work is underway to create a new high-precision guided missile for the Russian 300-mm Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems.

I think that this option in no way contradicts the option given by me! So to speak, these are all the "nuances" of one idea!

[AlOrg]

caught on late

[neworange88]

Where are we late? Better late than never.

[Illanatol]

Since 2015, the MLRS "Polonaise" has been mass-produced. It fires domestic 301mm caliber missiles at a range of up to 300km with a CEP of 30-50m. All missiles are individually guided, targets can be located on an area of ​​100 sq. km. Each car has 8 containers with missiles.

[neworange88]

. Since 2015, the MLRS "Polonaise" has been mass-produced.

In Belarus. Belarus shared with China the technology for the production of tractors, and China, in turn, shared with Belarus the technology for the production of missiles.

.Shoots domestic 301mm caliber missiles at a range of up to 300km with a CEP of 30-50m.

Well, KVO 30-50 m is not the case. This is no longer a high-precision weapon.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

They would have stuffed a 3D printer into the projectile ...

[Illanatol]

Quote: Mavrikiy

We need an UAV repeater, I don’t know what it is, but I need it.

Unmanned mini airship with appropriate communication equipment.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Illanatol

We need an UAV repeater, I don’t know what it is, but I need it.


Unmanned mini airship with appropriate communication equipment

And what !? Interesting idea ! Hold five!

[Illanatol]

Quote: Civil

Why such difficulties when there are normal options?!

High speed delivery of the UAV to the desired area. Ordinary UAVs are slow-moving (on batteries and propellers), but here - with a rocket!

[AlOrg]

But how will such a UAV return to base? Or is it a one way flight?

[Hitriy Zhuk]

What prevents you from rummaging around in storage warehouses, finding something like a Su-17, attaching a rotating camera, automation, a computer and / or a transmitting device to the cockpit.
And get a UAV that flies very fast, far and does what it needs by itself or by control.

[Voenoboz]

There were thoughts about such a thing only for armored vehicles, that the thinkers of technology have no ideas if I am a delegate and then I try to fantasize.

[AlOrg]

Now it is not necessary to develop, but already to produce on a serial scale. So many years lost! It is better to make high-precision ammunition like Hymers, which will hit right on target

[Dmitry Smetanin]

Full hat. For Tornado, high-precision projectiles like those of the Hymars are needed, and not a disposable drone or a projectile "with an electronic warfare function." Tornado's crew must already have received the coordinates of the target from the operator of a conventional UAV, and Tornado must hit the target with one missile. So all 12 rockets and attach

[stankow]

Tornado-S has high-precision projectiles. 6-7 types., Different warheads, different guidance. But Hymars does not have a projectile from an UAV.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

And then some one will shoot at the position with UAVs, which will be given out by mistake.

[Illanatol]

Quote from Alorg

But how will such a UAV return to base? Or is it a one way flight?

No way. Yes, one way flight. So what?

[stankow]

Kapets Haimars

[sgrabik]

More promising and much more in demand for our Armed Forces would be rockets equipped with several loitering ammunition, kamikaze drones, because they are very necessary to destroy the most important targets at a great distance, for example, enemy radars and its air defense systems, if we had such shells, then the enemy’s air defense would have ceased to exist long ago and our airborne forces would not have suffered any losses.

[Sedoy]

you need to remove this "organ system" and switch to package equipment, like Hymars
Tornado-S reload time - thirty-six minutes, Hymars - 2-3 minutes ...
it would not hurt to think over "self-loading" from the ground, like the Hymars ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sedoy

you need to remove this "organ system" and switch to package equipment, like Hymars

Already bulo ... there was a prototype of the "Grad" with "package" equipment ... For some reason it did not "take root"!

[Sedoy]

no wonder it didn't stick...
there are no warriors left at all - hucksters are alone ...

[Sedoy]

Flight duration - up to half an hour

for a scout - this is nothing, given the time it takes to execute a request-decision for shelling reaching up to 2 hours - the shelling is no longer relevant ...
but loitering ammunition may well be ...

[TOR2]

The topic is far from new. One of the videos of NPO Splav shows the operation of such a projectile from an UAV. Apparently everything has remained at the level of prototypes. If ours had such a system now, HIMARS would now be beaten in full.

[wladimirjankov]

There will be little sense from using UAVs as electronic warfare. It makes sense to use it as a loitering projectile with the ability to detect and aim it at the radiation of enemy radars, as well as to destroy certain targets, this makes sense.

[landromat]

The ECO "ball" of Bayraktar wescamovsky weighs 45 kg, and here the whole bird is 40 ... You can't stick good optics. In general, it is not clear why it is needed, because racket tornadoes are expensive and they hit large stationary targets.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Hitriy Zhuk

What prevents you from rummaging around in storage warehouses, finding something like a Su-17, attaching a rotating camera, automation, a computer and / or a transmitting device to the cockpit.
And get a UAV that flies very fast, far and does what it needs by itself or by control.

And which is easier to detect, shoot down and ... by the way, is the Su-17 capable of taking off from field airfields, or give concrete?
Mini-UAV, as part of the RS MLRS, is potentially capable of:
1. Conduct reconnaissance.
2. Target designation for other systems (laser illumination for semi-active seeker).
3. Defeat the target: kamikaze drone, including using loitering. Such systems are very effective, but their disadvantage is their short range. If delivered with rockets, the range will increase significantly, which is a definite plus.

[Maestro]

Hooray!
1984 We - the students of "Voenmekh" - are given a lecture by the professor of "Special Department No. 1", where he talks about the prospects for the development of the MLRS. Separately, he dwells on the "special" variants of long-range NUR warheads, which will be able to throw small-sized radio-controlled aircraft into the target area at a distance of up to 100 km, which will correct the delivery of missile strikes.
... only 38 years have passed - and these systems are being adopted.

[Mister who]

The idea is good, but it's not. We need a swarm of low-flying UAVs, even plywood, but 10-20 thousand. They probably didn't bother to bring the shilki. In general, drones, in theory, should be in tandem, low-altitude, medium and high-altitude bombers.

[ZuekRek]

spoke about plans to create new systems and complexes

Damn, how have these statements about plans and R & D, R & D from such officials already got them. And then - silence.

[ZuekRek]

Quote: Maestro

Hooray!
1984 We - the students of "Voenmekh" - are given a lecture by the professor of "Special Department No. 1", where he talks about the prospects for the development of the MLRS. Separately, he dwells on the "special" variants of long-range NUR warheads, which will be able to throw small-sized radio-controlled aircraft into the target area at a distance of up to 100 km, which will correct the delivery of missile strikes.
... only 38 years have passed - and these systems are being adopted.

If so, please read carefully:

spoke about plans to create new systems and complexes

[Alexander_Dneprovsky]

The best option for countering Hymers. With the help of the radar, the trajectory of the MLRS missiles is tracked, and the proposed MLRS launch zone is calculated from it. Next, Tornado - C shoots out 2 types of UAVs - a kamikaze and a repeater. Kamikaze in case of detection of the target strikes it.

[bravo77]

and it is no longer possible to use Tornado as Himars.
let's use Iskanders for UAVs.