Poland: trying on the role of the Shield of Europe and a tank superpower

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Poland: trying on the role of the Shield of Europe and a tank superpower

The plans of the clairvoyant lords from Poland are beginning to inspire fear. Moreover, not so much for the destabilization of the situation, but for the minds of those who develop them and are trying to put them into practice. But the plans are interesting and exciting. Worthy descendants of the Commonwealth, which was almost from the sea to the sea.

In addition to the 500 Hymars installations, which we already wrote about, twirling our fingers at two temples at once, the Polish military department announced the start of a campaign of rearmament of its army, huge in scale and money spent.



Naturally, Russia and its affairs in Ukraine are to blame for this. Improvements will have to contain Russia's interests in Europe and shield this very Europe from Russian invasion. In the event that Russia decides to continue its expansion at the expense of other countries.

In general, it is quite logical, if you look at it this way. Today in Russia they talk about the borders before the secession of Ukraine, tomorrow they may remember that once the same Poland and Finland were part of the Russian Empire.

So yeah, sometimes it's better to be overdressed than underdressed.

Well, if the Russian invasion does not happen ... Well, then Poland will have tanks more than the UK, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy combined. And all this by 2030.

The Poles signed two contracts for the supply of 1 (one thousand three hundred) new tanks. 300 tanks are South Korean K1 Black Panthers.


The first 180 tanks will be assembled in South Korea, and 820 under license in Poland. The first batch of tanks will eventually be upgraded to the K2PL level, a modification created to meet the requirements of the Polish ground forces.

The second part is 116 American M1A2 SA tanks and 250 M1A2 SEPv3 units.


Moreover, the second ones are also “from scratch”, absolutely new. The first 28 M1A2 SEPv3 tanks received on loan for crew training will arrive in Poland this year and will be included in the general program after the training program ends. In the future, the M1A2 SA tanks will be upgraded by Polish enterprises to the M1A2 SEPv3 level.

All this will give an amazing figure of 1 tanks. Of which 366 are new. Considering that the Polish Ground Forces have 1 Leopards-250 of various modifications, the figure is generally significant.

"Tails" from the former Soviet T-72 series A and M (about 300 pieces) and the Polish PT-91 "Tvardi" (the same T-72M, number 232 pieces), then almost all T-72s were transferred to Ukraine, and as for the PT-91, they are also planning to donate them to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Last week, General Dynamics Land Systems of Sterling Heights, Michigan, announced it had awarded a contract to the Polish government to build 250 M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 versions.

The contact cost is $1,15 billion, or $4,6 million per tank. And that's just part of an even bigger $6 billion deal that includes 26 M88A2 Hercules armored recovery vehicles, 17 M1110 self-propelled assault bridges, 776 tank machine guns, and about 33 tank gun rounds.

The Poles take the issue of rearmament very seriously, because the cost of the contract includes training simulators, technical manuals and funds to pay for the stay of 74 American specialists who, over the next five years, will train Polish tankers in the art of managing, using and, most importantly, maintaining the Abrams.

250 new "Abrams" will go into service with the First Warsaw Armored Brigade. And 28 training vehicles will arrive at the Bidrusko training ground, at the Abrams training center.

What is the newest "Abrams" and how much it will really enhance the capabilities of the Polish army.


The M1A2 SEPv3 is the latest version of the M1 Abrams main battle tank. "In service" since 2015 and this is almost the penultimate modification of the tank.

The main components of the modification:
- unification of the tank's ammunition load based on two shots: a new multi-purpose XM1147 AMP with a programmable fuse and a new armor-piercing sub-caliber M829E4 AKE;
- modernization of the tank's fire control system with the installation of ADL equipment, which allows firing AMR rounds with a programmable fuse;
- installation of new IFLIR thermal imaging devices in the gunner's sight and the commander's independent panoramic sight, with the output of the image on high-definition displays;
- remotely controlled machine guns CROWS-LP.

In principle, everything is clear. The Polish armed forces are hastily getting rid of Soviet tanks and their own, assembled under license on the basis of Soviet ones. Fortunately - there is where to shake off this magnificence. That is, to Ukraine.

What lies behind this deal is clear. The Poles are giving Ukraine everything they have left in a more or less combat-ready state in order to keep the Armed Forces of Ukraine afloat. The Americans are urgently plugging the hole with a hundred Abrams, which is also logical - do not leave the allies unarmed. And in some time another 250 tanks will be assembled.

Plus, various equipment and technical means. In principle, it is quite a normal contract, especially if the United States does everything on credit. 400 "Abrams" is 400 modern tanks, a decent strike force.

But what the Poles did next is somewhat out of the normal understanding of the topic.

The second, or rather, the first deal on the way to the greatest army in Europe, was the deal between Poland and South Korea. And this is where the problems begin with understanding.

The deal is huge. 980 K2 Black Panther tanks, 648 K9 Grom self-propelled howitzers, 48 ​​FA-50 combat training aircraft. South Koreans can be congratulated on the breakthrough to the European weapons market.

The cost of the contract was not disclosed, but given the declared cost of the K2 at $8,5 million, the K2 is today the most expensive tank in the world. And one of the most advanced in technical terms. One radar that controls KAZ is worth something.


"Wolf" (as the "Black Panther" will be renamed in Poland) will become the main Polish tank. Many today have questions why the Poles need such an experiment. The Korean tank is very difficult in terms of maintenance, mainly due to its manufacturability and stuffed with electronics. Plus, the tank was created on the basis of various components: the engine was originally German, later it was replaced with a Korean diesel engine, the transmission remained German, the automatic loader was a copy of the French from Leclerc (which is also very capricious, like a combat vehicle) and so on.

Yes, South Korean military products are maximally unified with the American, and hence with NATO. There will be no problems in this regard.

Obviously, the Koreans were able to offer what no one could do, namely, to release a huge number of tanks in a short time. Definitely, in place of K2, the Leopard would have looked much better and more reasonably, but the Germans immediately “merged”. They were unable to produce so many tanks in such a time frame. Alas, this is the German reality of today.

But the Koreans can. Yes, and self-propelled guns at the same time.


1230 new tanks will easily make Poland's tank fleet the largest and most modern in the European NATO region. By 2030, if all goes as planned, Poland will have more tanks than Britain, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy combined.

It is clear that the Poles see Russia as the main enemy, where everything is in order with tanks in terms of quantity. Quality is a separate conversation, but judging by the position Poland currently occupies in the diplomatic (so far) arena, tanks can be very useful for it.

The year 2030 will show how Poland can claim the role of the Shield of Europe. Yes, the capitalization is a bit of sarcasm, because today the position seems to be vacant. Ukraine liberates her.

But the possibilities of the Polish army can be tried to evaluate at least in terms of numbers.


Tanks. The total number of Abrams, Leopards and Wolves will be approximately 1 units.


ACS. By 2030, the Poles intend to have 2026 K212 Grom howitzers in service by 9 and to manufacture more than 600 on their own. There are also a hundred Czech self-propelled guns "Dana" and self-propelled mortars in about the same amount.


MLRS. 20 paid M142 HIMARS. And another 500 Poles would like to buy, but this is more like a fantasy. Plus about 200 more MLRS caliber 122-mm Soviet, Czech and Polish production.

To this one and a half thousand infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

It looks very external. Indeed, the power is quite decent. However, it is worth looking at what will be behind the Polish tank armada. Namely, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, that is, the most important components of modern combat, as the practice of NWO has shown.

The Polish Air Force is a bit of a sad sight. 32 F-35s ordered. This, of course, is a decent amount of good aircraft, in fact, an air regiment. There are 48 more F-16C units. And 24 MiG-29A units. As bombers - 12 Su-22M4K units.

In general, the Air Force actually exists, but without the F-35 everything looks sad.

The air defense of Poland is an even sadder matter. S-200 in the amount of 1 complex, S-125 "Neva" (17 units) and some amount of 2K11 "Circle" and 2K12 "Cube" (about 30 units). More or less modern short-range Poprad systems with a range of up to 5 km (77 units) and SAMM systems ordered in the UK (23 batteries, 400 launchers). And in the army air defense there are 64 more 2K33 Osa complexes. A lot of cannon artillery, the use of which in our time is more than doubtful.

In general, even compared to Ukraine, Poland's air defense is not something so remarkable that it can protect tanks from air attacks. Apart from "Sky Saber", as the SAMM complex is called, everything else is very much so-so.

As for anti-tank defense, things are even more strange here. Yes, the Polish army has 18 M1045A2 complexes with Spike LR on the Humvee chassis. The rest of the anti-tank defense systems are Javelin (60 pieces) and Spike (more than 250 pieces) hand-held systems. That is, there is a certain saturation, but it cannot be said that it is significant.

And despite this, the Polish army claims the main role of the defender of Europe. Alas, to be a leader is not to have more tanks. Let's not take the Germans, take the French. Indeed, not the most wonderful army in the world. Two hundred Leclerc tanks, a hundred self-propelled guns. Looks frankly not impressive.

But with defensive means, the alignment is completely different:
- 457 pcs. ATGM "Milan";
- 700 pcs. ATGM "Eriks";
- 76 pcs. ATGM "Javelin";
- 168 pcs. ATGM "Akeron MD".

Obviously, the French, who are very far from the border with Russia, are much better with anti-tank weapons than the Poles.

The huge money that will be spent on a really huge number of tanks is not a solution to the security problem of Poland's borders.

Today, balance is the most important quality for any army. The balance between being able to strike with all your might, breaking the opponent's face, and at the same time being able to reflect an equally generous blow from him. Only thanks to the presence of balanced weapons, any army can claim more or less significant regional roles.

The Poles went the wrong way. The tank is an offensive weapon. Yes, it is also possible to build a defense around a tank, but first of all, a tank is a tool for gaining an advantage in battle and destroying any targets.


Therefore, the desire of Poland to buy as many tanks as possible in order to get a theoretical opportunity to oppose something like that to Russia looks strange.

The tank is the most powerful weapon on the modern battlefield. But at the same time vulnerable.


The tank has a lot of real opponents, ranging from tanks to hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers from the infantry. Therefore, the presence of tanks and self-propelled guns in the Polish army only says that they will have many tanks and self-propelled guns. How they will protect their tanks from helicopters, attack aircraft, artillery and tanks, anti-tank guns, portable and portable ATGMs is a question.

The Poles want to become the tank fist of Europe. At your own expense. This is probably commendable. Ukraine, sooner or later, will resign the powers of the "Shield of Europe". It is doubtful that Poland wants to raise a falling ensign with such methods, but who will forbid them?

In general, it would be better not to touch the monuments to the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. And it certainly would not have to buy tanks that could possibly protect Poland from imminent Russian aggression. Or they can't defend. In any case, a very strange and peculiar move, the results of which will be by 2030.
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  1. +1
    6 September 2022 05: 25
    Poland: trying on the role of the Shield of Europe and a tank superpower
    Why not? The United States will throw loot for the holy cause ..... Only the fitting must be continued and do not forget to try on the "wooden dummy" or now everyone is packaged in plastic. feel
    1. +1
      6 September 2022 06: 15
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The US will throw the loot on the holy cause .....

      Only on their tanks, why would the Koreans pay for it?

      That's natural, Panova's navel will not untie? No, well, if Russia suddenly starts supplying light and gas at preferential prices, then it will not be unleashed ... But something is doubtful.
      1. 0
        7 September 2022 04: 14
        I propose that the promising T-14 with a 152-mm gun be immediately renamed "St. hi
    2. +6
      6 September 2022 06: 20
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Why not? The United States will throw loot for the holy cause ....

      1. 0
        6 September 2022 07: 23
        There was the USSR and Poland ... and now ...
        1. Kim
          -2
          6 September 2022 07: 55
          the Poles always looked "to the side" - before WW1, after WW2
          like the Hungarians
          1. +2
            6 September 2022 08: 50
            Quote from kim
            the Poles always looked "to the side" - before WW1, after WW2
            like the Hungarians

            Where should they look?
            1. Kim
              -1
              6 September 2022 09: 30
              and what does it have to do with "there were the USSR and Poland"?
              I'm not a Jew, I want to understand your phrase
    3. 0
      7 September 2022 13: 05
      It is impossible in principle to become a "tank superpower", only "purchasing" armored vehicles, without having its own and very powerful industrial and design base (tank building).

      This is EXACTLY PROVEN both by the experience of the Third Reich and the experience of the USSR ...

      But at the expense of the so-called. "shield" can still be discussed ...
  2. +3
    6 September 2022 05: 27
    We are witnessing the construction of an offensive army with the expectation of air cover by NATO and America.
    The Poles are confidently moving towards the loss of statehood, this is their historical karma, apparently.
  3. -1
    6 September 2022 05: 36
    perhaps they will be able to protect Poland from imminent Russian aggression. Or fail to protect
    It depends on how the Poles will behave ....
  4. +3
    6 September 2022 05: 45
    Something I did not understand the idea. Is the author worried about the lack of anti-tank systems among the Poles or what?

    As for aviation and air defense, by the way, the author is worried in vain. And with both, the Poles are much better than they were in Ukraine. Moreover, serious work is being done in both directions.
    1. +1
      6 September 2022 06: 34
      I also think that the Americans will promptly stuff them with anti-tank systems, like Ukrainians. And the air defense system will also throw up how much it will be necessary. But the production of tanks and their delivery from overseas is a long business.
  5. -3
    6 September 2022 05: 53
    1500 Polish tanks... a formidable strike force... one day they might be turned against us.
    The best option for confronting this armada is a dozen Sarmats at the bases for storing this equipment and the eleventh Sarmat at the control point for this magnificence.
    It’s easier not to engage in grueling battles with tanks to destroy them on the way ... you need to personally plan a part of the strategic nuclear forces for Poland ... walk like that.
    1. +2
      6 September 2022 06: 25
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      .. Poland needs to personally plan a part of the strategic nuclear forces ... walk like that.
      I don’t mind, but here’s the wind rose, mother of her yati, in our direction, we will cough, I’m not talking about dad. request
      1. 0
        18 November 2022 18: 35
        So there are neutron bombs! Half an hour after the explosion, you can go to the epicenter of the explosion, and visually determine from the gelatinous mass that it was a man or a ram or a pig ... Well, you understood me.
    2. -2
      6 September 2022 06: 59
      Considering the rabid Russophobic policy of Poland and its militarization, coupled with the Baltic countries, the Czech Republic, Romania, I think it is quite reasonable and rational to use tactical nuclear weapons against its armed forces at the initial stage, this will avoid problems in the future. ....
    3. +2
      6 September 2022 17: 42
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      a dozen Sarmatians for the storage bases of this equipment and the eleventh Sarmatian for the control point of this magnificence.

      What "Sarmat"? There will be a dozen "Caliber" or "Iskanders" in a nuclear version with a head. TNW exists for this.
      Only then will you have to whip with all of NATO in a nuclear conflict. And NATO is already deploying a 750-strong group on the western borders (Russia, Belarus and the former Ukraine).
      They simply want to make Poland the shock tank fist of NATO against Russia. And these are no longer spillikins (750 thousand on our borders). And the military budgets of the Europeans from NATO have already been increased by 500 billion euros in additional appropriations. Only Germany increased the military budget by 200 billion euros.
      If we do not victoriously untie with Ukraine as soon as possible and do not reach its western borders, this whole armada will enter Ukraine.
      Time does not work for the Russian Federation.
    4. 0
      6 September 2022 19: 17
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      1500 Polish tanks... formidable strike force...
      There will be no 1500 Polish tanks, there will be about 546 tanks bought by the Poles, well, they will be able to make a dozen more themselves. Basically, too many.
    5. 0
      10 October 2022 11: 57
      Why strategic nuclear forces? The 9T cluster thermobaric aviation munition of the bearded year has an area of ​​​​destruction larger than the epicenter of the sya. Plus, there is no parasitic bullshit like shock waves and radioactive contamination.
  6. 0
    6 September 2022 06: 00
    It's strange, when I read that these Black Panthers are very useless tanks both in terms of chassis and protection
    1. +1
      6 September 2022 06: 30
      and I read that many of them are generally considered the best tanks in the world at the present time .. in addition, they are the only mass-produced 4th generation tank in the world ..
      1. 0
        6 September 2022 07: 07
        If not a secret, then where? I believe you, but it's interesting. I read on the American site Military.com. It was said there, and more than once, that the protection there is lower than stated, and there is a problem with the transmission, and something else. What, I don't remember.
        1. 0
          6 September 2022 08: 45
          the best, of course, is a subjective concept .. but the fact that it is the only mass tank of the 4th generation, with the corresponding "chips" that the 3rd does not have, is a fact .. therefore, in fact, it is at least the best in the absence of competitors)
          Quote: DeGreen
          protection is lower than stated

          1. protection? at a minimum, he has a KAZ with an onboard radar, plus "classic" protection, so even if it's true, the protection is less than declared, it is higher than the 3rd generation in any case ..
          2. weight, mobility - in the t-90 class, better than "strands" like abrashi.
          3. the suspension is hydraulic, it seems to be worse in terms of reliability than the torsion bar, but let it be enough without breakdowns for 7 fights, and the torsion bar for 15 .. not so much a drawback in this light? after all, you still need to survive more than 7 battles .. but there are pluses .. the tank can "lie down" by reducing its height, bend over, redistribute weight, "go softer", etc.
          3. shells .. yes, it’s not like a tank, but it’s used by a tank .. there are even so-called “roof-breakers” in the arsenal + the maximum firing range of tanks ..
          4. Rather, this is a classic question .. like, is the Tiger the best tank 2 MV? it seems formal and yes .. but if the issue is considered in a "vacuum" from the rest ..
          5. I don’t know the details about the MSA - however, it’s secret, but I think that it is in it that the main thing of the 4th generation lies .. the so-called. "network-centricity" and maximum automation + on-board radar, which, among other things, even seems to allow you to shoot at air targets in an automatic machine .. naturally with a rocket
        2. +1
          6 September 2022 12: 16
          Quote: DeGreen
          I read on the American site Military.com. It was said there, and more than once, that the protection there is lower than stated, and there is a problem with the transmission, and something else

          1. And what is the "American website Military.com"? Not something like Yandexzen, for an hour?
          2. What are the problems with the German transmission from Leo2, which is 40 years old?
          1. 0
            6 September 2022 12: 24
            Military.com is considered by Americans to be the most advanced weapons platform (but I don’t claim)
            1. 0
              6 September 2022 12: 29
              And it looks like a murzilka, guys about animals.
          2. 0
            6 September 2022 16: 43
            There were problems with the Korean transmission.
            1. -1
              6 September 2022 21: 54
              Yes, tank transmissions are not an easy thing, even the Koreans cannot localize them right away. Although one of the strongest countries in the world in this respect.
      2. Kim
        +1
        6 September 2022 07: 53
        here the question immediately arises - where did these tanks fight? otherwise the Jews consider Merkava the best, the Deutsches - whose stump is clear, the Americans - theirs ...
    2. +1
      6 September 2022 12: 36
      There was a big problem with the engines (they did not develop the assigned resource), they had to make do with the German ones.
      But the Koreans claim that everything has been fixed.
      As for protection, the issue is not clear, it seems that the Scandinavians experienced it and there were no questions. But with protection, until the projectile arrives, it is not clear how much it protects. request
  7. -1
    6 September 2022 06: 12
    The author of the article argues without knowing the real goals set for Poland. And if NATO is preparing a strike on Kaliningrad with the hands of Poland? Then for this they really need a thousand tanks. And everything becomes much more logical ...
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    2. 0
      6 September 2022 20: 54
      Anisimov "Abrams in Khimki"
  8. 0
    6 September 2022 06: 21
    Well, in the light of Polish claims to the Germans. It is not the shield of Europe that peeps through, but rather the owner.
  9. +2
    6 September 2022 06: 31
    How can you be a tank superpower by buying tanks on the side? And "where is the money, Zin?" Troubled times are ahead for the European economy. It is unlikely that Germany will be able to squeeze reparations from the psheks, with all their impudence. The overseas pan himself is at a crossroads. Not by the time they started this whole canoe. Although let them be active, they will go bankrupt faster.
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 12: 10
      Quote: Emergency
      How can you be a tank superpower by buying tanks on the side?

      How was Israel before the advent of the Merkava.
      1. 0
        6 September 2022 13: 31
        Israel was a superpower of something?! belay Yes, okay!
        1. +1
          6 September 2022 14: 08
          Region, I guess. "Israel is a superpower in the Middle East." Sounds ambitious, but not delusional, in my opinion.
        2. +2
          6 September 2022 15: 35
          Quote: Emergency
          Israel was a superpower of something?!

          What does "was" mean? Naturally, one of the strongest tank powers, and not only tank ones. Together with the trophy ones, there were about 4 thousand cars in previous years. By the way, the number of Merkavs in the service and in the active reserve is even greater than the discussed number of Panthers and Abrams in the troops of larger Poland.
  10. -6
    6 September 2022 06: 35
    The Poles will never be able to pay for so many new tanks in such a time frame. They just don't have that kind of budget. Pay will be a completely different country. There is a suspicion that some of these tanks will end up in another place after some time. And this huge and strange contract with Korea is just a mechanism to involve South Korea and its military-industrial complex in the supply of weapons to Ukraine, but giving them a formal reason to say that we do not supply weapons there.
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 12: 08
      Quote from Heaven
      The Poles will never be able to pay for so many new tanks in such a time frame.

      Why such a strange statement?
      Quote from Heaven
      just a mechanism to draw South Korea and its military-industrial complex into arms supplies to Ukraine

      Are you waiting for a thousand K2 near Lugansk? However!
  11. Kim
    -1
    6 September 2022 06: 41
    where is the money, Zin? ...
    ----------------
    in general, the first thought is against Russia, and not to defend, but to attack
    l. it’s curious what ours are going to answer
    also the Finns with the Swedes discard neutrality
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 07: 12
      We will give you an RPG and send it to the Polish-Russian border, to detain the tanks. After that, we will send to the Swedish-Russian border
      1. Kim
        +1
        6 September 2022 07: 51
        maybe in Russian-Portuguese? Thanks
        1. 0
          8 September 2022 22: 51
          It's already taken. So be it, you can stomp on Russian-Libyan.
          1. Kim
            -1
            9 September 2022 03: 32
            thank you, kind (kind) person (human being)
            I’ll stroke the laces now, but the duffel bag has been assembled for a long time, there simply wasn’t an order
  12. +3
    6 September 2022 06: 58
    I’ll watch with interest where the Poles will find money for all this wealth. They did not find their own money to modernize their tanks, as well as to maintain their Air Force in good condition. And then suddenly they began to throw away pennies, as if their two billionaire grandfathers had died.
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 12: 08
      Quote: demiurg
      I’ll watch with interest where the Poles will find money for all this wealth.

      It is not expensive. Poland can afford to spend more on ground forces than Russia.
      1. 0
        6 September 2022 12: 47
        Thanks, laughed.
        Only Poland also buys penguins. And the fleet is modernizing.
        1. -1
          6 September 2022 15: 27
          The fleet of Poland is not even the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation, but yes, it buys penguins, three or four more yards. It's a lot?
  13. 0
    6 September 2022 07: 17
    The Poles want their navel to be untied and it will be untied. It is clear that today it is customary to scold the military-political leadership of Russia for the "indistinct" conduct of the NMD. But even taking into account the "fog of war", a lot of really combat Ukrainian tanks were threshed. Nobody knows what a Black Panther is, not even the Black Panther itself, but they order one of the most expensive tanks in the world, because other manufacturers cannot physically produce tanks in such volumes.
  14. -2
    6 September 2022 07: 18
    The Poles want to become the tank fist of Europe. At your own expense. This is probably commendable.

    Is the image of the "eternal hyena of Europe" already on edge?
    The role of "Anti-Russia-2" will come in handy. The state of the Polish army has already been described - it makes no sense to repeat it, just as it makes sense to say that if Poland enters a military confrontation with the Russian Federation, tactics may be different. Such that even NATO will look a hundred times over whether it is worth entering into a conflict with Russia.
    Food for thought here:
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/aleks_2019/polsha--es-bloha-guliaet-po-sobake-616119f2508bef6636966e78
    *****
    The main thing (when they go to Moscow) is not to meet the new Susanin, who will lead them to the banks of the Channel.
  15. -1
    6 September 2022 07: 27
    Hey psheks! Well done! How to cut the loot, especially if it is someone else's. We approached this matter with a spark, with a soul ...
    But seriously, of course, one and a half thousand tanks is an impressive shock fist and it will be directed clearly towards Russia, namely Kaliningrad.
    Let's hope that our comrades in the General Staff and not only understand this and will try to minimize the effectiveness of this armada, if it takes place, of course.
    Of course, we do not need a second Prokhorovka. But for the Iskanders, this is a completely feasible task, especially if the tanks are not allowed to disperse and hit the bases and maintenance points.
    But this is so, fantasies on the topic "what if" ...
  16. +1
    6 September 2022 07: 41
    The article is pulled from various sources, therefore it sins with inaccuracies.
    1.
    The first 180 tanks will be assembled in South Korea, and 820 under license in Poland.

    980 K2 Black Panther tanks

    180+820=1000
    2.
    as for the PT-91, they are also planning to donate them to the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Polish tanks have already arrived in Ukraine. This was announced on July 25 by the head of the presidential office, Andriy Yermak. https://iz.ru/1369823/2022-07-25/glava-ofisa-zelenskogo-zaiavil-o-pribytii-polskikh-tankov-na-ukrainu
    3. Lost ordered
    48 combat training aircraft FA-50

    The Polish Air Force is a bit of a sad sight. 32 F-35s ordered. This, of course, is a decent amount of good aircraft, in fact, an air regiment. There are 48 more F-16C units. And 24 MiG-29A units. As bombers - 12 Su-22M4K units.

    Poland's contracts with South Korea are interesting because they involve the joint development of the next versions of MBT and self-propelled guns. And also in the future of the South Korean KF-21 after its launch into production. The Koreans do not clamp down on technology, which allowed, for example, the Turks to create the Altay MBT.
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 12: 06
      Quote: smart fellow
      Lost ordered
      48 combat training aircraft FA-50

      Now the Poles are trying to bargain for used F-16s in exchange for Soviet aircraft handed over to Ukrainians. Pieces like 24. Maybe they will gypsy. If it works out, then in the future it’s quite serious aviation, 32 penguins, 72 falcons and 48 Koreans. Yes, actually, and without the additional 24 falcons, it’s normal.
  17. -2
    6 September 2022 09: 08
    How they will protect their tanks from helicopters, attack aircraft, artillery and tanks, anti-tank guns, portable and portable ATGMs is a question.


    Relying on "senior partners", it's obvious. And those generously allow the psheks to advance in the front line and suffer the main losses.
    Again, sawing the dough and kickbacks. NATO is primarily a commercial enterprise of USA Unlimited.
  18. -1
    6 September 2022 10: 31
    Expected.
    And before that, the Old Man will either drive the Iraqis to the border with Poland, or start shooting.
    And now Z is not far away. Nobody wants to fall under demilitarization. Pacifist views end....
  19. -2
    6 September 2022 11: 11
    You don't understand, they are decommunizing, which in practice means applying the most absurd Soviet practices in the most perverted form. In this case, they use the Komsomol practice of creating problems for themselves, and then heroically overcoming them.
  20. -2
    6 September 2022 11: 51
    48 combat training aircraft FA-50


    FA is not a training, but a full-fledged fighter version. Training is the basic T-50. Basically a logical choice. But not against the Su-35S.

    In general, I will express the idea that the psheks are not as stupid as we think about them, and they are not going to fight with Russia. Maybe they would like to, but 1500 tanks are still not enough, but to conduct occupation operations in Galicia and suppress the Bandera rebellions, so neither the air defense system nor the F-35 will be needed for this, but the resource consumption of the tanks will be decent, a large number will also be useful small planes, which, like interceptors, are almost useless due to their extremely low speed, but they can drop a ton of bombs, or put a controlled 454 kg exactly into the pipe of the Bandera cache.
  21. +2
    6 September 2022 12: 18
    hi
    IMHO:
    The rest of the T72 will go to / to Ukraine.
    As soon as all the Abrams appear (and they are already approaching), the Leopards will float there.
    And by 2030 (perhaps earlier), the Poles will remain on one tank, which will be .... - that's right, K2. Because the Abrams will also leave ... - that's right, to the same place as T72 and Leo.

    Why is South Korea and not Germany chosen as the supplier of military equipment.
    Because Yu Korea is a surprise! - the most powerful military power with the most powerful industry, which still does not provide significant volumes of weapons to Ukraine. And gives (unofficially) something to one big country that is under sanctions. And so, so that South Korea does not give what is not necessary, the Koreans were shipped a wagon of money.
    Well, some characters have a hope that South Korea will understand with whom it is more profitable and where to drive weapons ...
    And the Germans even "squeezed" Leo's battalion when the Poles really asked him. So the Germans will not break off from the Polish pie. But the Germans are not upset, they have their own pie for 100 billion euros (one hundred billion euros) "to start" there, in addition to current budgets.

    648 K9 Grom self-propelled howitzers
    - because all the Crabs will go to the same place as the T72, Leo and Abrams. Well, K9 is a bestseller among self-propelled guns.

    It is clear that the Poles see Russia as the main enemy
    hmm, it's not a Polish national hobby - pick the strongest opponent and headbutt him. If you look closely at the map, you can see who the Poles will go to release much faster.

    the role of the Shield of Europe ... this is a slight sarcasm, because today the position seems to be vacant. Ukraine liberates her.
    for the seventh month now, he has been freeing me, and this is only SVO. According to Ukraine's own calculations, it has been playing the "Shield of Europe" role since 2014, and is not going to stop this business in the foreseeable future.

    about 200 more MLRS with a caliber of 122-mm Soviet, Czech and Polish production.
    everyone will be at the APU, as the Hymarses arrive.

    The Polish Air Force is a bit of a sad sight.
    Oh, there are "sadder stories in the world."

    In general, even compared to Ukraine, Poland's air defense is not something so remarkable that it can protect tanks from air attacks. Apart from "Sky Saber", as the SAMM complex is called, everything else is very much so-so.
    my mother is a woman, my father is a man, well, how much can you? In one country, in 7 months, they mastered the art of "NARs from a roll-up", because MANPADS and Soviet air defense remnants were enough to stop sorties "behind the LBS".
    But all the same, "with Poland, this will definitely not happen for sure." Again in "two weeks we will win"?

    As for anti-tank defense, things are even more strange here. ... the presence of tanks and self-propelled guns in the Polish army only says that they will have many tanks and self-propelled guns. How will they protect their tanks from helicopters, attack aircraft, artillery and tanks, anti-tank guns, portable and portable ATGMs - the question
    - "hand face"...

    "History is not a teacher, but an overseer: it teaches nothing, but severely punishes for ignorance of the lessons"
    V. Klyuchevsky.
    Truly, there are two troubles in Russia: roads and people who cannot understand what they see with their own eyes in 7 months of the NWO.
  22. 0
    6 September 2022 12: 40
    The only question is, are they definitely going to fight with Russia? Maybe they set their sights on an army that has no tanks, little aviation, etc. Well, for example, Germany?
    1. 0
      7 September 2022 13: 53
      Yeah, "the first international"!
      And Uncle Sam will look indifferently at such a disgrace from the outside. wassat
  23. 0
    6 September 2022 14: 28
    It looks like they are going to squeeze Kaliningrad and Ukraine from us in the future. It remains only to hope that after the SVO we will be re-equipped and change leadership positions at enterprises. It is necessary to oppose the Polish tanks T-90M, T-80BVM or even newer modifications, and I hope there will be at least 200-500 Armats by 2030. Then in terms of tanks, they will not be afraid of us. At the same time, of course, a lot of aviation and new anti-tank weapons are needed. Russia is not a trading or arable state, but a military one. So it was and will be. Fate is like this
  24. 0
    6 September 2022 15: 26
    What do the Poles with such a number of armor rely on - great Poland from the Bug to Britain? The meaning in such numbers against Russia is lost in use - it’s pointless to attack, it’s stupid to defend. And 5-10 years of ownership will cost such a penny, not counting the purchase, that Poland will have to declare bankruptcy. The cost of consumables, ammunition, maintenance and training of crews, modernization of the FCS over 10 years of operation will exceed the cost of the equipment itself, plus all this on credit. In general, I think that the Poles have mania, and it is useless to treat it, but, I think time will put everything in its place.
  25. +1
    6 September 2022 18: 46
    If the Poles carry out their plans, then a Polish STRIKE army will arise. This is not defensive, like the French and Germans. The Polish army will be focused on ATTACK, on ​​aggression.

    Since there are means of attack, there are trained military personnel, then it will be necessary to use all this in a non-nuclear conflict.
    Judging by the statements of our leadership about the NOT USE of nuclear weapons in local conflicts, the likelihood of a conflict between Poland and the Russian Federation is growing incredibly. We have set certain boundaries and limitations for ourselves.
  26. NSV
    0
    6 September 2022 18: 51
    Indeed .... the war is just around the corner ... We would have time to get ready!
    1. 0
      7 September 2022 19: 41
      We, as pioneers, are "always ready!"
  27. 0
    6 September 2022 20: 48
    Alas, to be a leader is not to have more tanks.

    being a leader means having a strong economy, if it were not for the financial pumping from the EU, Poland would be like Bulgaria and the Baltic states! most likely the tank armada is going to capture the "eastern kres" with a swift throw
    there is also 2 option - Kaliningrad enclave
    but the second option is more realistic - the dill will not resist the Poles, and the race for Kyiv will begin - Kyiv is the main prize!
  28. 0
    7 September 2022 19: 40
    Quote from ryst
    To attack Kaliningrad, Poland has enough tanks.

    But this does not mean that Poland will take Kaliningrad! request
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      1. 0
        17 September 2022 17: 59
        Russian proverb: "The turkey also thought and got into the soup!"
        So that Poland will wash itself!
  29. 0
    9 September 2022 12: 31
    Gee, the Germans, perhaps merged not only because they can not. They do not need impudent, loud-mouthed, lying under the United States, Poland at hand with 1000 tanks for nothing. After all, they can get to Berlin for reparations.
    1000-odd high-tech tanks are great. Let's say the USA themselves will throw money at them and they will give the Germans a chapalakh, so that they would also chip in. But to maintain this armada, to provide it with crews, technicians, BC, consumables.
    They are going to produce more than 800 tanks at home. Produce as India t-90 (assemble the designer from the box)? or do it yourself (which is fantastic)
  30. 0
    28 October 2022 15: 48
    The main thing is not to get rid of such a burden by lifting. On the other hand, a lot of free meat from Ukraine came in large numbers. Hosh raw eat hosh fried. But that's not all. You will also see how Poland becomes a nuclear power and fucks Germany in all available places. The Germans simply do not understand yet that the rematch will be with them and not with us.
  31. 0
    15 November 2022 02: 12
    The Poles are preparing to defeat Germany, not Russia. Together with the USA. Therefore, the "tank fist", and therefore the attacking, and not defensive, plans. The Poles sleep and see themselves as the "American Gauleiters" of Europe.
    It's amazing how the repetition of nonsense about "defending Europe from Russia" beats the brains of even thinking people.
    Maybe "thinking people" "think" that Macron is trying to strengthen the French army against the Russians? :)
    Slavic "clear" flayers (with their "claps") threaten Europe (according to American tip and approval), not Russians.
    The Americans are withdrawing their units from "old Europe" to the Slavic countries, to the territory of their faithful slaves. "It's against Russia" - thinking people say, and blink. (almost (C)).
    :)
  32. 0
    15 November 2022 13: 14
    I wonder where the money for all this will come from? They already have a complete seam with the state budget, judging by the visa about "reparations".
  33. 0
    15 November 2022 13: 17
    Moreover, the second ones are also “from scratch”, absolutely new

    This is where they will take the "zero" Abrams ??? Does the US still make them?
  34. 0
    15 November 2022 13: 19
    Quote from Alex TTW
    Poles sleep and see themselves as "American Gauleiters" of Europe

    For this, in addition to the military, an economic component is also needed, and the Poles are very sad about this. Now they are "sitting on the neck" of Germany and France.
  35. 0
    27 November 2022 18: 04
    Judging by the comments, many still underestimate the current situation of Poland and its army. I don’t want to upset anyone - but in February, the Ukrainian army was also underestimated. And Ukraine, unlike Poland, is not a member of NATO and has not been engaged in the systematic development of a modern army based on the experience of actual military conflicts of recent years. Ukraine after 2014, of course, began to develop the army, but only in the vein of confrontation with the LDNR. Poland, on the other hand, is developing its army with a priority on a possible war with Russia. This does not mean that they want to arrange an "empire" and attack Russia, but they assume a high chance of developments in which they will start to fight with Russia.

    And the fact that Poland is building a massive tank fist is one of the stages of preparation. I won’t be surprised if it suddenly turns out that the construction of a tank fist of 1300 (just think about it, one and a half THOUSAND tanks, combined with a couple of hundred Panthers and a reserve of Soviet tanks, which they will definitely leave just in case) is only the first stage of army preparation. And the task of the first stage is to increase the strike capabilities of the NE in possible theaters of military operations to the east of its borders (from western Ukraine and Belarus to the westernmost borders of Russia and Kaliningrad). In the second stage, she will deal with the possibilities of DEFENSE and PROTECTION of the Armed Forces of her country. And at the second stage (which is either already being worked out or will soon begin), they will purchase and open the production of anti-tank defense systems.

    Why don't they touch air defense? Yes, because Poland, as a member of NATO, in case of war (God forbid) will receive air support and an "air defense umbrella" from other member countries of the alliance. Accordingly, it can concentrate its production and economy on the construction of those forces that are weaker in Europe in the confrontation with Russia - the ground forces. Indeed, many European countries may have good fighters or air defense / missile defense systems. But the land army, which takes on the main burden of combat operations, is TOO small in many countries. And Poland has a large population and a long experience in organizing a large army (the long stay in the Soviet bloc affects). At the same time, they understand that Germany, Great Britain and France will not be able to reform in the coming decades in a large army. Therefore, Poland's priority is on the development of ground forces. Air defense / missile defense is organized by the USA, Britain, Germany. And dominance at sea and the search for Russian submarines in the Baltic will be taken over by Germany, Great Britain, and most likely Scandinavia.

    And if we have any problems with the APU. That army of Poland will be able to snap back even more.
  36. 0
    30 November 2022 18: 34
    Wanting and being able are not the same thing, besides, the wishes must be backed up by the willingness to die for what you so desire. With the latter, the logs are not at all very good and have been for more than one century.