ANPA "Surrogate-V". New version of a promising concept

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The proposed appearance of the ANPA "Surrogat-V"


Over the past years, the Rubin Central Design Bureau has been actively engaged in the topic of autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicles (AUVs) and has already developed a number of similar projects. At the recent Army-2022 forum, the bureau presented a new model of this class - the Surrogat-V apparatus. It was created on the basis of an already well-known project, but due to a number of innovations, it was possible to expand the functions of the complex and the range of its tasks.



Autonomous slave


At the Army-2022 forum last week, the Rubin Central Design Bureau of MT showed materials on a number of its developments, both already known and completely new. In particular, a model of a new AUV called "Surrogate-B" or Surrogate-W was demonstrated. The letter "B" in the name means "slave" or "wingman" and reflects the main feature of the project.

The new project "Surrogat-V" provides for the construction of a heavy multifunctional AUV, designed to be placed on submarines and able to work together with them. The developer organization said that such a device would take on some of the tasks of full-fledged submarines. Its use will allow you to effectively carry out various activities without risk to the carrier ship.

AUVs are proposed to be used for reconnaissance using active search tools, for communication, etc. With such work, the device can unmask itself and give out its location, but the submarine, which plays the role of "leader", will remain safe.

The Surogat-V apparatus looks like a small submarine. It has a streamlined body with several protruding elements, planes and rudders. In the bow and on most of the sides there are hydroacoustic instruments under a characteristic strip of skin. In the stern there is an annular water jet channel.


The intended appearance of the first "Surrogate" with a towed antenna

Some characteristics are disclosed. The displacement of the product remained at the level of the previous project - 40 tons. Due to the introduction of new solutions and components, the functions of the device are expanding. In addition, new lithium-ion batteries increase the cruising range to 800 miles. A new power plant based on electrochemical generators is being developed. The AUV will be recharged both on board the carrier and using bottom charging stations.

The model of the Surrogat-V ANPA was shown on the same stand with the model of the promising Arktur nuclear submarine. The latter can be the carrier of various underwater vehicles, including heavy class products. For their placement in the aft part of the hull, special compartments are provided.

The prospects for the Surrogat-B project have not yet been specified. How soon he will reach the construction and testing of experimental equipment is unknown. The Ministry of Defense also does not comment on this topic. However, models of the new technology were presented at the stand of the High Command of the Navy, which indicates the presence of interest in such developments. Apparently, the details of the work will be announced as certain events are held.

New modification


It should be noted that the current project of the Surrogat-V AUV was not developed from scratch. It was based on the project of the same name, the existence of which became known a few years ago. So, in 2016-17. it became known that the Central Design Bureau of MT "Rubin" on its own initiative launched a project with the code "Surrogate". Its goal was to create a special underwater vehicle for conducting exercises fleet.

According to the information of that time, the Surrogate product will be an unmanned submarine with a length of 17 m and a displacement of 40 tons. An all-electric power plant based on lithium-ion batteries was created for it. The propeller motor was supposed to give a cruising speed of 5 knots, which made it possible to obtain a range of up to 600 miles. Maximum speed - 24 knots with range restrictions.

ANPA "Surrogate-V". New version of a promising concept

An autonomous control system with a number of basic functions was created for the Surrogate. She had to control the movement and ensure the passage of a given route, as well as apply a target load of one type or another.

The device was intended to be used as a training target for practicing anti-submarine defense tasks. In this regard, it was proposed to install the necessary devices on it, as well as built-in and towed antenna devices. With their help, the Surrogate, justifying its name, had to imitate the physical fields of a full-size submarine. The possibility of simulating ships of various types, domestic and foreign, was mentioned.

The research work "Surrogate" was completed by mid-2020, and the documentation on it was transferred to the Ministry of Defense. The military had to study the initiative development and draw conclusions. Upon receipt of a positive opinion, the project could be developed and in the future reach full operation.

A year later, in September 2021, the Rubin Central Design Bureau of MT announced the continuation of work on the Surrogate topic. This time, the ability of AUVs to imitate submarines was mentioned as a way to deceive the enemy. It has been argued that recent technological advances already make it possible to mislead ship and aviation detection complexes. In the future, the same effect will be obtained for stationary systems.

Function expansion


The original project of the training AUV "Surrogate" was developed, and this process led to the emergence of a new interesting development. Unlike its predecessor, "Surrogate-B" is intended to work incl. in a combat situation. At the same time, both projects are of great interest - both at the level of basic ideas and due to the solutions found.


The concept of a special simulator capable of participating in PLO exercises as a conditional target is very interesting and has obvious advantages. At present, the role of a mock enemy is assigned to the submarines of the Navy and their crews. For all its advantages, this approach has some disadvantages. The main one is the fundamental impossibility of a full-fledged imitation of foreign submarines by domestic technology.

ANPA "Surrogate", in turn, is simpler and cheaper than combatant submarines. Organization of exercises with its application is much easier. At the same time, it can carry any suitable equipment and simulate the physical fields of various underwater objects, primarily submarines of a potential enemy. Exercises of this kind will be much more useful for PLO forces.

In the new project "Surrogat-B" it is proposed to use the same AUV capabilities not in a training, but in a real environment. Such a device should imitate not the enemy, but our submarine - and mislead foreign forces. Such a substitution will reduce the probability of detecting a carrier ship and drastically reduce the risks for it.

Two submersibles with similar functions, but different roles, can be maximally unified in terms of design and means of operation. At present, this greatly simplifies the development of two promising complexes, and in the future it will have a positive effect on the production and operation of equipment in the Navy. In addition, the customer may generally abandon the "Surrogate" of the first model. The new "Surrogate-V" has all the necessary functions, and it can also be used in exercises.

promising direction


Thus, TsKB MT "Rubin" continues to develop the direction of autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicles and now presents another development of this kind. The Surrogat-B project clearly shows what existing technologies and technical solutions can do. It also demonstrates the potential of an interesting concept proposed several years ago.

Central Design Bureau MT "Rubin" presented a new AUV project and disclosed some information about it. Now it's up to the Department of Defense. It should study the proposed concept and determine its value to the navy. If a positive decision is made, "Surrogat-B" will be further developed and, possibly, even come to testing and subsequent operation.
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  1. +13
    23 August 2022 04: 58
    Thank you, Ryabov Kirill, for covering the topic:
    ANPA "Surrogate-V". New version of a promising concept
    Over the past 22 years, more and more promising concepts have appeared in the press that allow you to disperse the adversary within a few minutes (hours, days). One problem - most of these Soviet innovations are not translated into reality or are produced too slowly, or in small batches, or undergo modernization over the years, taking into account the use of combat experience.
    Recently, there was a TV program about the results of the Army-2022 International Military-Technical Forum. Whatever was presented there. I was especially impressed by the variety of UAVs and materials for their manufacture. Some novelties were discussed in a narrow circle, inaccessible to a wide consumer of military secrets.
    I would like this to have a significant impact on the combat effectiveness of the Russian Armed Forces. As long as we have what we have.
    "Surrogates", you say? These are projects for future battles and battles, but for today's battles, the production of weapons has already been established and is it supplied in sufficient quantities?
    *****
    After the sinking of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, after the articles about the hopelessness of the Baltic Fleet under the conditions of the blockade by NATO ships and the lack of an exit from the Baltic Sea, after the message about the delay in Malaysia of the Russian tanker Primorye, I continue to be tormented by vague doubts about the presence of the fleet in the Russian Federation. Let me be deeply mistaken - it's better if it turns out to be true.
    hi
    1. +6
      23 August 2022 08: 46
      How I love such knowledgeable people.
      1. Can you link to the OFFICIAL statement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that it was the Armed Forces of Ukraine that sank Moscow?
      2. And where does Malaysia? If, according to the rules of navigation in that area, anchoring is allowed only by agreement, what would help the Navy, even at the level of the United States in its best years?

      Well, yes, according to projects and models. You know, the whole world is building concepts. Sometimes the concept ends on paper, sometimes in the form of a model. Sometimes in the form of pre-production samples. All over the world, this is considered the norm. Not all ideas take off: where there is not enough technological level, somewhere the plant is occupied by a more important one, somewhere it is simply expensive. But as soon as the Russian Federation does not do something from the proposed one, it immediately begins, models, projects.
      1. -4
        23 August 2022 09: 08
        Quote: demiurg
        But as soon as the Russian Federation does not do something from the proposed one, it immediately begins, models, projects.

        Yes, for God's sake ... Let them model at their own expense ... Otherwise, we are in these "modulators", like rubbish roemsi ...
        Why not the modulator Prokhorov with his "Yo-your mother-mobile"? The hell with him was not honored either ... no one, except for the temporary residence permit, suffered morally, and they gave him a car ...
        Another thing is the modulator Chubais. He modulated with privatization checks, with the UES of Russia, with Rosnano ... People asked VVP: "Is Chubais really a modulator?" To which the GDP answered them: "Oh ... Another modulator ... I have known him for a long time, but I see you on this straight line for the first time ..."
        Understandable sarcasm? Modulate at your own expense, and the task set by the state must be completed in accordance with the declared characteristics, unquestioningly, accurately and on time. You can not? Lump on the bump, bitte around the corner ...
        1. +3
          23 August 2022 10: 12
          Ostap suffered.
          We were talking about concepts in the navy. What does Chubais have to do with the fleet? Tell me, in every article about the American Navy, do you remember the corruption schemes of Biden's son? Why not?
          1. +1
            23 August 2022 11: 27
            Quote: demiurg
            We were talking about concepts in the navy.

            You are talking here, and we went out for a walk.
            We compare the nature of the origin of concepts, where it becomes clear even to a not very educated person why some people do, and then demonstrate concepts, while others conceive and conceive, but the deeds are not visible.
            1. +1
              23 August 2022 12: 23
              How did you immediately determine that this particular concept or its development would never go into series? What active samples were compared with? It is especially interesting to read such comments about Ruby.

              Speaking of corruption. Here in the news they write about corruption in the US Navy. I hope you went over there about family clans in the US Senate, mentioning gerontocracy? Do you always tell the truth about corruption?

              Well, for the future. It was necessary, together with Moscow and Chubais, to mention the Snake and the water disco.
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            3. +3
              23 August 2022 22: 27
              Quote: yuriy55
              We compare the nature of the origin of concepts, where it becomes clear even to a not very educated person why some people do, and then demonstrate concepts, while others conceptualize and conceive, but you can’t see the deeds

              Are you talking about the "littoral fleet" of mattress covers that are written off as scrap or about their unmanned boats ... that it didn’t go beyond a few experimental samples?
        2. -2
          23 August 2022 23: 25
          Quote: yuriy55
          Let them model at their own expense ...

          From what hangover for your own? Any project goes through the model stage.
      2. -5
        23 August 2022 09: 19
        Quote: demiurg
        1. Can you link to the OFFICIAL statement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that it was the Armed Forces of Ukraine that sank Moscow?

        Quote: yuriy55
        After the sinking of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet

        Where did you find the APU there?
        Quote: demiurg
        2. And where does Malaysia? If, according to the rules of navigation in that area, anchoring is allowed only by agreement, what would help the Navy, even at the level of the United States in its best years?

        And despite the fact that Malaysia has not arrested a single tanker from the USA ... Moreover ... It goes on about:
        While Malaysia's security is ensured Five Defense Agreements (FPDA) with Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and the United Kingdom, the US also has a military alliance with Australia and New Zealand under the Australia, New Zealand and United States Security Treaty (ANZUS) and has established direct military and political cooperation with Singapore and Malaysia, whose armed forces were becoming increasingly dependent on the supply of American weapons, with the M4 carbine and the M16 rifle became the main assault rifles for the armed forces of both countries. Malaysia has also acquired several US high-tech weapon systems, notably the McDonnell Douglas F/A-18D fighter jet and the McDonnell Douglas MD 530G attack helicopter.
        1. 0
          23 August 2022 10: 08
          Drowning implies targeted destruction. Who then, in your opinion, purposefully drove Moscow under water?

          What does navigation in a particular area have to do with Malaysian foreign policy?
          1. -1
            23 August 2022 11: 23
            Quote: demiurg
            Who then, in your opinion, purposefully drove Moscow under water?

            She drowned ...
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      3. -5
        23 August 2022 09: 45
        Can you link to the OFFICIAL statement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that it was the Armed Forces of Ukraine that sank Moscow?

        And according to your RKR, Moscow drowned after two alien missiles hit it?
        1. -1
          23 August 2022 10: 05
          Once again, a very simple request. Give a link to the OFFICIAL statement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the sinking of the cruiser. All other arguments are in favor of the poor.
          1. +2
            23 August 2022 11: 49
            Quote: demiurg
            Once again, a very simple request. Give a link to the OFFICIAL statement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the sinking of the cruiser.

            Will you continue to troll or will you explain the official statement of the Ukrainian authorities about the killing of civilians in Bucha by Russian soldiers?
            Are you good at Russian? Read my lips...
            1. -3
              23 August 2022 12: 10
              It's clear. Asking for an answer to the question of whose Crimea and Kherson I think is stupid.
            2. -2
              23 August 2022 16: 05
              Another thing is the modulator Chubais. Modulated with privatization checks, with the UES of Russia,

              Why are you flooding the topic? In public with normal moderators like you, they drive you with pissing rags
          2. -2
            23 August 2022 20: 30
            Once again, a very simple request. Give a link to the OFFICIAL statement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the sinking of the cruiser. All other arguments are in favor of the poor.

            A very simple answer. I don’t read what the Armed Forces of Ukraine write and I don’t believe in the nonsense that our Defense Ministry writes about a self-blown cruiser, self-proclaimed airfields and warehouses. But I saw a photo of the RRC Moscow with a roll on board on which there are visible traces of missiles. And I believe my eyes more than the statements of the Defense Ministry or the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
            1. 0
              24 August 2022 05: 51
              And how did you count exactly two anti-ship missiles? That's really interesting.
            2. -1
              24 August 2022 20: 34
              I saw a photo of RRC Moscow with a roll on board on which there are visible traces of missiles. And I believe my eyes more than the statements of the Defense Ministry or the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

              It's useless there. I have already provided a photo. Unless he circled the holes. Useless. Patriotic blindness.
              1. -1
                24 August 2022 23: 20
                It's useless there. I have already provided a photo. Unless he circled the holes. Useless. Patriotic blindness.

                Yes, you're right, it's really useless. I will take your advice drinks
        2. -2
          23 August 2022 16: 10
          Do you have information about some missiles hitting the Moskva RK? Please provide a link to the correct information.
          1. -2
            23 August 2022 20: 43
            According to the "reliable" data of the RRC, Moscow sank from an accidental fire on board, but the photo of the cruiser after that tells a completely different story.
            Do you believe that, according to "reliable" data, warehouses in the Belgorod region caught fire from the "lens effect"?
            Remind you of the airfield in Saki, where "reliable" sources stated that there was an explosion of ammunition as a result of negligence and the flight equipment was not damaged, and then "unreliable" sources published pictures that clearly show that there were several explosions and several aircraft were destroyed?
            1. -1
              24 August 2022 08: 09
              What does the Belgorod warehouses and the airfield in Saki have to do with it? Are you unable to answer direct questions? If you have no data on the defeat of the Moskva missile cruiser by Ukrainian (or other) anti-ship missiles, then there is nothing to grind with your tongue.
              Regarding the photo - there are no photos with fixed places where anti-ship missiles hit. Some kind of speculation with the application "like this black dot is a hit" is written only by fools who have never seen photos of real RCC hits on board the ship.
    2. -1
      23 August 2022 22: 53
      Quote: yuriy55
      after articles about the hopelessness of the Baltic Fleet under the conditions of the blockade by NATO ships and the lack of an exit from the Baltic Sea

      Well, suppose the exit from the Baltic is not a problem, along the newly "opened" channel Tallinn-Stockholm-Oslo-Bergen ... bully
    3. 0
      14 November 2022 18: 30
      Quote: yuriy55
      After the sinking of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet

      Moreover, the adversary is already carrying out attacks by our fleet with surface and underwater drones, and we are inventing all "Surrogates". Let's make one copy. Then we will come up with "Surrogate-2", then -3, then 5, and our ships will sink uncomplicated underwater unmanned fire-ships. All the armies of the world are armed with UAVs, and it was only in the eighth month of the NMD that we began to use them more or less massively. But we have "Surrogate" and "Poseidon". And how can they influence the course of the NWO?
  2. kig
    +10
    23 August 2022 05: 04
    A project based on a project ... moving from exhibition to exhibition ... beautiful pictures ... Is there anything in reality? Two or three years ago, there was a description of a certain device, but it seemed to be intended for autonomous use and search work. That is, this is approximately what is called ROV, but only without a cable.
    1. +6
      23 August 2022 06: 07
      Projects and layouts. So beautiful and promising. And what "concepts"! Just any-expensive expensive to look at! And, in reality .... in reality, we scroll the land "Tors" with cables to the deck in order to somehow protect the "unparalleled world" from air attacks. request
      1. -4
        23 August 2022 16: 15
        1. Is it necessary to put a Surrogate on the deck instead of Thor? What is the relationship between the developers of the ship's air defense system and the developers of imitator boats? For colonel stars, you have too stupid an idea about the order of doing R&D.
        2. Sarcasm over "unparalleled" does not characterize a commentator as a smart person for a long time
    2. -2
      23 August 2022 12: 15
      and give you all the information? in recent years, the concept has just developed that if the project is a working one, then there will be at least minimum information on it, remember the same Dagger, Zircon or LMUR .. So here, while the project is being worked on, there is no information will be, and I think if there are hundreds of photos here, there will still be claims)
  3. -4
    23 August 2022 05: 05
    I consider it a great opportunity to mislead the enemy when leaving their bases or when working off the coast of a potential enemy.
  4. +6
    23 August 2022 05: 15
    There are many excellent, wonderful projects, it would be even better if they appeared in the army and navy.
  5. -2
    23 August 2022 06: 01
    AUV called "Surrogate-B" or Surrogate-W. The letter "B" in the name means "slave" or "wingman" and reflects the main feature of the project.AUV offered use for reconnaissance using active search tools, for communication, etc.
    belay This is some kind of Gaidar, or not by night, be remembered Bayraktar. recourse But not a slave, rather a leader.
    In his the basis of the project of the same name, the existence of which became known a few years ago.
    And the idea is taken from the Air Force - UAV. It's getting smaller and easier. request
    1. +2
      23 August 2022 07: 31
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      idea taken from Air Force - UAV

      I wonder if it can be considered that the first functional UAVs are spacecraft?
  6. -3
    23 August 2022 06: 21
    Here is the name chosen.
    SURROGATE, -a, m. A substitute that has only some properties of the replaced item, product; ersatz.

    And "Surrogate-2" is improved ... I can't laugh.
  7. +4
    23 August 2022 08: 18
    It is necessary to work for the future, no one argues with this. But it is only necessary to bring promising developments to the "pipeline", or at least some promising units / assemblies from these developments.
    There are acquaintances - eternal students, everyone is studying - studying, receiving additional education, improving their qualifications ... they do not want to work.
  8. -2
    23 August 2022 08: 50
    AUV, judging by the movement of ideas and projects in the world, will soon become a mandatory weapon for submarines.
    Multi-purpose nuclear submarines will turn into charging stations and a means of transportation to the deployment site? Will surface drones hunt them?

    This is how the era of Kaptsov will end.
  9. +4
    23 August 2022 09: 15
    Thank you, Comrade Ryabov! You taught me to scroll through an article to the end, see who the author is, and only after that make a decision "to read / not to read." Thanks to this, I saved a lot of time.
  10. -2
    23 August 2022 09: 37
    When the first notes about "Surrogates" appeared on the Internet, I immediately remembered the article "Stealth is no more: submarines of the type we are used to are doomed" on topwar dated May 22 last year. There, in a commentary, I wrote about the need to develop imitators, as an asymmetric response to the swelling of billions in the modernization of the nuclear submarine design.
    But it turns out that in “Rubin” the topic has been moving in this direction for a long time. Honestly didn't know. Pleasantly surprised.
    1. -1
      24 August 2022 20: 27
      And what is the connection between the noisiness of the submarine and the fake imitators? Silent modes in any case will not allow you to leave the potentially dangerous anti-aircraft defense zone when this waffle is detected by the enemy.
      1. 0
        25 August 2022 09: 23
        The analogy is about the same as in aviation. Instead of spending a lot of money on reducing the heat footprint, install a few dozen heat traps. Easier. Cheaper. Effective.
        1. +1
          25 August 2022 13: 07
          It doesn't work that way in the Navy. Or rather, not so.
          Anti-torpedo weapons are naturally needed and VERY needed. They are so needed that they scream out loud.
          Both effective instruments and means of hydroacoustic countermeasures are needed, and anti-torpedoes are needed ... But most of all, we need the sonar systems themselves, modern, meeting current conditions, capable of tracking ultra-quiet submarines, and information processing tools are needed, and just digital equipment, and not that which in the 60s of the last century was riveted with biscuit switches. And, most importantly, reducing noise, increasing the speed of low-noise modes. The boat, ideally, should hear very far away, and no one should hear it.
          And all these means of struggle, this is the last line of defense.
          Because if you were discovered earlier, even if you have all the stuffing from super-duper protection, you are already dead. And the combat mission was not completed.
          1. 0
            28 August 2022 17: 04
            According to the classics, this is how it is in a duel of acousticians - whoever heard the enemy first, he won. In our time, many films about submariners were shot. And about the Great Patriotic War. And about the cold war. It's all there, basically.
            But there were, if you remember, attempts to break stereotypes. Project 661, for example. It was not necessary to listen especially, the noise on the whole ocean. But go get it...
            Now they are planning "Arctur" again. Maybe that will come out. If there is enough money, of course.
            1. +2
              28 August 2022 19: 32
              Well, each boat was a milestone. With all its pros and cons. The same pr. 705, which is ambiguous, was built on the same principles. No matter the noise, the main thing is that you can catch up with anyone and almost turn around on the spot, and then dump quickly.
              "Fin", at a depth of more than a thousand meters, it was impossible to get anything, etc.
              But times are changing. They invent new weapons and depth or speed no longer save.
              And the priority of reducing noise and increasing the detection range of the enemy remains. And the options for the development of the direction, as I see it, are a wagon and a trolley. Starting from the improvement of design and power plants, ending with the use of space facilities in combination with air and ship systems to monitor the situation. Again, in this direction, for unmanned systems, virgin lands are unplowed.
  11. 0
    23 August 2022 09: 52
    If instead of developing modern and combat-ready MAPLs and non-nuclear submarines, the once authoritative design bureaus can only make skillful hands in the style of a mug, and for a lot of money, then it becomes obvious where the current authorities have led our fleet.
    1. 0
      24 August 2022 20: 24
      IMHO, it's been obvious for a long time. To the parades, where else.
  12. 0
    23 August 2022 10: 36
    Oh, "lipolkas" are fashionable, of course, but in vain. Lots of trouble with them.
    It would be better to put "LiFe".
  13. +1
    23 August 2022 13: 07
    In principle, in the history of confrontation, disguise is a means of detection. There are always stages when the means of detection are more perfect than the means of disguise. And vice versa. For example, from the 10s of the twentieth century to the mid-40s of the same century. Submarines improved as a means of stealth warfare, while the means of detecting them were extremely imperfect. Because of this, the submarine fleet was then an incredibly powerful weapon. Then, with the spread of radar and the development of acoustic search systems, detection tools began to catch up with camouflage tools. And in fact, now, there comes a moment when it is already difficult to provide greater disguise than it is now purely within the limits of the laws of physics. But the means of detection are already more perfect and at the same time have not yet reached their limit.

    And here the means of disguise come to the fore, which have been known for a long time, but, it seems to me, are quite often underestimated. Namely, the creation of false goals.
    The logic is simple - if a certain environment is clearly visible to the enemy, which makes it impossible to disguise something on it. Then, instead of disguise, we will create a huge number of false targets in which the real ones will be lost. As a result, the enemy will see 100 targets on the battlefield, and will not know which of them are real and which are not. With high-quality camouflage systems, it will not even be possible to identify a false target from a real one. This means that out of 100 visible goals, it will not be possible to understand the ratio of real goals and false ones.

    In fact, the means of creating decoys are turning progress in surveillance of means of detection against themselves.

    So, in the near future, the best way to hide submarines will be to create a lot of decoys. So it will be until fundamentally new means of disguise are invented.
    1. -1
      24 August 2022 17: 10
      How long does it take to separate MG-74 as a decoy and reach its carrier?
      1. 0
        24 August 2022 19: 48
        Ask developers, not me
        1. -1
          24 August 2022 20: 21
          I'll tell you from practice, not very long. Relatively. But in the identification process, nothing prevents you from deploying an active search to speed up all the options, so to speak. Therefore, ANPA does not save from anything. If he is found out, the one who let him swim will be found out. If they talked about a new anti-torpedo system for submarines, that would be great. But these are all the "drones" ... There are not enough of them on land.
          1. -1
            24 August 2022 22: 31
            Well, in fairness, I note that some drone models are created on the basis of torpedoes so that they can be launched from torpedo tubes. And such a launch method is safe enough to release several drones while at a safe distance, and later, having entered the zone of action of enemy anti-aircraft missiles, they distracted the enemy without giving out the location of the true target.
            1. 0
              24 August 2022 22: 40
              I'm telling you, the distances are not the same. All this works during counteraction. When there is no choice. Until you are discovered, such movements are tantamount to death.
              1. 0
                24 August 2022 23: 07
                Why? Launching the craft while you haven't been found yet, not so noisy as to start the search. The meaning of false goals is that they are set shortly BEFORE active actions
                1. 0
                  24 August 2022 23: 23
                  https://arsenal-otechestva.ru/article/1599-perspektivnyj-imitator-podvodnoj-lodki

                  Here's a decent article on the subject. There, it is briefly and intelligibly drawn what is possible and what is not .. What tasks are solved by such equipment.
                  Especially, an important aspect is the problems of UUV and their prospects.
                  This is not an offense, but for general information. And do not popurize the pop, like an article in VO, but quite a truthful coverage of the issue. Including the Surrogate.
                2. 0
                  24 August 2022 23: 24
                  The meaning of false goals is that they are set shortly BEFORE active actions

                  Unfortunately, they don't live that long. Purely in time.
  14. 0
    23 August 2022 13: 33
    "nu-nu" (c) whatever you call the boat, however, that's how it will float. and also (s)
  15. Eug
    0
    23 August 2022 13: 49
    The speaking name is Surrogate ... it is clear that the use of simulators in non-combat conditions is much cheaper than using the submarines that it "replaces", but there is also a huge minus - the crew of the replaced submarine does not gain the necessary skills during the exercises .. this is if the opposing crews during the exercises at least a fraction of creativity and initiative is allowed, if actions are regulated "from" and "to", then the advantage
    The surrogate is overwhelming. And to what extent will the displacement of carriers increase if special compartments are provided for Surrogates ... again something "unparalleled in the world" .. maybe that's why it "has no" because nobody needs it in FIG, at least at the current state of the art? As for me, the simulator should be no larger than a torpedo, even 650 mm., If they are provided for Princes and Ashes ...
  16. -2
    23 August 2022 17: 20
    Again, a new, unparalleled world of resuperduper concept !!!
    Ches word - tired of this constant grasping from weapons companies !!!! Constantly current and see and hear - we have come up with, we will soon begin to do, we will soon enter service ..... one thing is blah-bla-bla-bla ... Well, how long will we have this ??
    When we have it like in the USSR - they did it quietly, quietly adopted it .. and the enemies begin to sweat.
    Do it, produce a batch, work out trial operation, put it into service - and then you can shout to the whole world !!!!
    And right now, R&D has been carried out - and that's it, they start boasting with their mockups !!!!!
    1. +2
      23 August 2022 22: 36
      Quietly they made a "dagger" and other "cartoons" like you, they were also dissatisfied, they say, only cartoons drawn ...
      1. -1
        25 August 2022 00: 30
        I will be satisfied not with advertising in the magazine "Arms" and in other "cartoons" !!
        I will be happy when our army is saturated with the latest technology, weapons and equipment!!!!
        And you continue to enjoy the cartoons!
        1. +1
          25 August 2022 10: 12
          And tell me, what year is the Abrams tank, and from what year did the states stop producing them? And their most massive f 16 and b 52 aircraft?
          1. 0
            25 August 2022 16: 23
            What does it mean "And tell me what year is the Abrams tank"???
            What do you want to know?? Development start date, production start date, date of adoption, date of modernization ???
            When did they stop making them??? Well, you will find it yourself - google a bit and that's it. But what will this date give you???
            With the same success, you can ask - but tell me what year is the Mosin rifle, or SG-43 ?? What gives knowledge of dates?
            On the occasion of the aircraft - no, the f-16 and b-52 are not the most massive aircraft!
            1. 0
              25 August 2022 18: 19
              What are you? Well, what detoglas are the most massive in your opinion ... and of course, how could I forget that in the West "this is different" ...
  17. +1
    23 August 2022 19: 59
    "Propeller in the ring" and "water cannon" are slightly different types of propulsion.
  18. +1
    24 August 2022 10: 33
    Is a surrogate an accurate definition?
    It would be better to have some sort of cipher like E5U8SCH12YM.
  19. 0
    24 August 2022 17: 07
    With such work, the device can unmask itself and give out its location, however, the submarine, which plays the role of "leader", will remain safe.

    Is this a joke of humor from a journalist?
    Nothing that the lace screwed to it has a finite length value? Nothing to draw on the map the radius of the possible location of the carrier, is it less than five seconds of business? And searching and destroying it is a question of the next twenty or thirty minutes, even if it ticks at the maximum possible speed?
    Comedians. Petrosyanovshchina.
  20. 0
    24 August 2022 22: 43
    An attempt to solve the problem of breaking through the boundaries of the PLO with the help of such submarine simulators?
    Of course, I'm sorry for being rude, but this is a stupid idea.